A Daring Punishment

 Jen and Dagda kick things off with Tide Pod-scented water and tequila stories before diving into the Marvel vs Sony rights battle, corporate greed, and why the MCU's Infinity Gauntlet felt incomplete without X-Men and Fantastic Four. They discuss the death of movie theaters, the rise of streaming, and why Amazon and Netflix are winning the content war.

The conversation shifts to Jon Bernthal and his return as The Punisher in the upcoming Disney+ special The Punisher: One Last Kill (May 12). Jen shares her journey from hating Bernthal's douchebag characters to respecting the man behind them—especially after watching his accountability-focused interview with Shia LaBeouf. They also discuss Wind River (2017), the crisis of missing and murdered Indigenous women, and Bernthal's roles in The Accountant films.

The episode wraps with frustration over Stranger Things' final season, praise for Millie Bobby Brown in Enola Holmes, and a reminder to listen more than we talk. Plus: Walking Dead jokes and Epic Rap Battles references.

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Artwork: Pixabay

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Welcome to Everyday Life. Thank you for joining our podcast, Conversations Over Coffee. My name is Jen. And I'm Dagda. And we're gonna hit you with the explicit content warning right off the bat. This podcast does include adult situations and adult language from time to time.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

I'm an angel. I never fucking cuss.

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Okay. Anyways, you ready to go?

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

Alright, let's go. Have you met me? Have you met me? Don't mean mug me like that. Geez. I got your mean mug right here. Ah. You're so mean. How are you doing today? I'm doing all right. How are you doing? Fine. I didn't choke on my drink, so I'm good. Didn't choke on your drink. I didn't I didn't choke on nothing. No, which is good. Like I said, so I tried the new I do the flavored waters because I don't do soda.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Haven't for a long time. And so I've never tried the this brand of fruit punch. And it's interesting. And you said it was gross. It was a gross thought because it smells just like my Tide Pods, but it tastes delicious.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

No. Hey, that just means I smell delicious. My clothes smell delicious when I wear them. That's all it means.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Yeah, I don't like the smell of your Tide Pods.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

You don't like that smell?

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Nope.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

It's too fruity for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

It's too much.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Oh, it's probably because, well, we don't keep the lid on the thing. Because I'm like, it's not that much on my clothes.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

And I don't use fragrant fragrance in my fucking.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

Oh, you like the residual smell of your own funk, huh?

SPEAKER_00 1:53

I like the no smell. There's no smell.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

My well, my partner's that way too, but I don't I I wear a very mild deodorant. I wear uh no perfumes, not allowed to wear them where I'm at. So I like at least my clothes to smell fresh and clean and nice.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

I just I don't know those ones without any kind of fragrance. It just I can still smell the undertoad of sweat. Like when we've done the no fragrance, the fragrance free, I can still smell it on my partner's clothes.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

I also put OxyClean in my stuff though, so maybe that makes a difference.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

It probably does because OxyClean actually has a scent to it. It has almost like a fresh linen scent to it, like literally the linen, linen material. But it's all good. Sorry, my sorry, my Tide Pods sting. It just grossed you out. I thought that was hilarious. I'm just like, no, it means my Tide Pods smell good. So I guess. See, there's the brand. Don't get the fruit punch flavor then because you won't like it.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

I mean, I like fruit punch, but that fucking smell is not fruit punch to me.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

It is to me. I can smell the pineapple, I can smell the orange, I can smell the cherry in it. I can smell those notes. I smell that's what I smell. Well, you know, I mean, at least we're not doing an eating Tide Pod challenge.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

You know, so I mean, so there, there's that's good.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

So it'd be fruit punch with a bunch with it'd be an ounce of fruit punch with a gallon of fucking uh diarrhea which means vomit.

SPEAKER_03 3:31

Um well, you know, I don't know. I when I drank, I never tequila didn't bother me like that.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

So it didn't bother me like that either until the first time I had a margarita and I started vomiting.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Oh yeah, that would that would that would definitely set you on the road right uh the course of uh yeah, maybe we shouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Yeah, because tequila already has sort of an acidic flavor and smell to it. And then you add the extra acid from the fucking lime and a traditional margarita. Well, it was like margarita mix in a bottle or whatever that the people were using.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Yeah, so it's got that lime and lemon acidity level to it.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

And to be fair, I'd already drank too much before I had the fucking.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Oh, so okay, so you can't so you can't blame the tequila.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

It was it was the thing that put me over the edge, and then I just started vomiting for the next half hour and then I blacked out. That's the only time I ever blacked out from being.

SPEAKER_03 4:22

Oh, he looks like a virgin. Sorry. I never wish that on anybody ever.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

And I don't want to talk about that movie again because it's I don't like it. It's creepy. But you know, we were just talking about Craven, which is uh Marvel production. Yeah, and of course, I'm not in love.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Is this actually a Marvel movie, not a Sony movie?

SPEAKER_03 4:44

Well, it's it's done in conjunction, it's a Marvel character.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

I understand it's a Marvel character, but so is Spider-Man. But Spider-Man is a Sony.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

No, it's Sony. Okay, but I don't want to say that because I think I I think Sony is too uh greedy with its releasing rights, it's too hard to get the characters that are actually these characters to be in the marvelous stuff. So I I I think I think Sony, uh, I think both sides of it get a little too greedy. Yeah, it's just like if you want to put something out there that's gonna make the fans come back time and time again, you can either come in and do a big boom of business once, or you can nickel and dime it forever.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

Well, I was happy that they allowed Spider-Man to be part of the phase one and two of MCU um because you know Spider-Man was part of that storyline of the Infinity Gauntlet. Yeah, and I was upset that the X-Men and Fantastic Four weren't part of it, yeah. Uh, because in the comics they are, they both play important parts, yeah. Um, in that um storyline. Um so yeah, I was I was upset about that. Yeah, but happy that Spider-Man was, although that was like a small victory.

unknown 6:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

But considering Tom Holland did such a fucking fantastic job, he's amazing. Um I'm happy that we got that.

SPEAKER_03 6:16

Yeah, I I'm just I'm just glad my new infatuation for right now happens to be with a mid-30 heading towards 40-year-old and not like me going, I feel really bad thinking Tom Holland's amazing when he's 18 years old. So, you know, I'm at least I'm aging up a little bit, you know. I I just yeah, I don't know. It it's hard for me because I like the ideology of what like I remember watching the X-Men cartoon back in the day. Yeah, which was amazing, which was fantastic, and they were always teaching you it didn't matter if you were black or white or mutant or not mutant. We could all get along and there's room for everybody to come to a compromise and live a good life. But here Sony's going, oh no, and here MCU's going, oh no. You know, and they're all just being like, you guys are not doing the unison that they were trying to teach.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Well, I kind of get what happened there because they had so um Fox owned the X-Men at that time, and they were still in the process of finalizing the purchase of the X-Men um when they started the MCU. Uh and I think they still had a while before the licensing caught up. And so they were like already in the process. So I understand why they basically made the Silver Surfer and the Scarlet Witch not X-Men characters.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Um, and so they named him something different until later. Yeah. They went by their actual names, not their character names, yeah or whatever. Um, not their they they went with their secret identity rather than their fucking hero or villain character names.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

Um and then ignored the fact that they're Magneto's children. Um and so I kind of get because when you have something like this, there's a shitload of stuff that they have to do in order to produce those movies, especially when you're combining so many different groups together. There's so many different sets of rights that you have to worry about and then still get the storylines all to mesh up. Yeah, it's fucking complicated.

SPEAKER_03 8:36

And I get that it's complicated, but listen.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Listen, Linda.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Listen, Linda.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

No papals.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

It's a multiverse, okay?

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

It's a multiverse. There's a way to make it all work. It's it literally is a matter of people not being greedy. And I could sit here and put on blast what one of the companies did to a specific actress and and how it all became about greed. Yeah. It did not come about what was what was good for the franchise, what was good for the consumer. It all came down to that. And we're gonna save several million dollars here by going behind the back of this person who has made this character who was only in this on this little piece of paper, and now they've brought them to life. Yeah, I don't want to go there because it greed is greed is greed. And and that's the thing, is that and and they don't understand. There was gonna come a point as a Gen Xer, I can tell you, there was gonna come a point where we revolted and said, I've had enough of this shit.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

And look at what's happening in movie theaters. It's not just COVID, it's people going, you know what? I don't want to pay $30 on a Sunday morning to go sit through a one hour and 21-minute movie because that's the minimum movie you can have amount now to be considered a full feature.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Yeah, they're kind of in a death spiral.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

It's it's and it's like, and and what's makes it what makes it worse was during during COVID, you had some of the streaming services going, well, we have these movies, we still need to put it out because we still need to make money. Well, of course, you need to make money. You got employees to pay, right? And so they were putting out these brand new movies that you could watch at home and you had two days to watch the movie, you could pause it to go take a poop anytime you wanted for 20, 25, or $30, depending on what it was. So, why on God's green earth would I ever go back to a movie theater where I have to pay $12 for a bag of popcorn and nine dollars for a bottle of water? Why? Yeah, I mean, and I can't stop and poop in the middle of it all.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

The theaters still have better sound. Um, and I have a decent surround sound system. This the the sound is still better in a movie theater, in most movie theaters, I would say, provided that you don't have some asshole behind you going, yeah, run, bitch, or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

Um I mean, I understand it's gonna, it's a whole experience, and it's an experience that you know in two generations they're not gonna have. Yeah, they're not gonna understand it.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

But like that's only really relevant for like action movies or maybe horror movies, yeah. Comedies, romances that she's gonna be. Comms, comedy, dramas, uh yeah, just straight up dramas, not relevant at all.

SPEAKER_03 11:33

Um so yeah, just just just thriller action and horror. Yeah, like in that genre, maybe some sci-fi. Because you want your pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. But I'm not a fantasy, yeah. I am not a Star Wars fan, so I'm not a big one. Um, but what I find interesting is I do think that MCU, well, first of all, Amazon Studios really paid attention to the ball, and they really are like, oh, so people are stopped going to the theater because they can't afford we can't afford it.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

I mean if they brought back dollar theaters, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:09

But it's $5. It's like it's the last time I looked at matinee tickets, it was 1750. Oh wow, and and let me put it on an and in there, and you couldn't purchase the tickets at the theater, you had to buy for them ahead of time.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Uh-oh. And they had a signed seating, and there's a signed seating. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

And I'm like, because there was a notice, you can no longer purchase tickets, you must have them ahead of time. The only thing you can do at the theater now is print them. There's no ticket taker, there's nobody there to sell you tickets. You go and you there's nobody.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Because they're getting rid of those jobs.

SPEAKER_03 12:51

They've been getting rid of them. And so it's and it's been like that for like seven, eight years now.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Because like the last time it's quite a while since I've been to a movie theater.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Yeah. Well, the last time I was to a movie theater, it was just like there was only one functioning unit that would allow you to buy tickets on the fly. Everything else was you've got to do it ahead of time. You got to do it ahead of time. So it really limited the amount of what you're seeing. And I get it. But then at the concession stand, they have eight people standing around the concession stand, but nobody with the concessions because God forbid, in today's day and age, you go, let me look in your bag and make sure you don't have a gallon of liquor and a whole bunch of candy in it.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

Which, you know, if you have big boobs, it's really easy to sneak snacks and even cold drinks, it's fine. But you shouldn't. You shouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

But but your left nipple hard.

SPEAKER_03 13:40

Right. I've got a cold chill on my left side. Um, but you know, it's just amazing to me. But I think Amazon Studios was one of the Amazon Netflix and like the MCU, I think they all kind of started really paying attention really quick because all of a sudden Amazon, like, uh, you know, not I mean, I went back to Prime for 21 days and found it whole held no value for me. Not my partner already has it. When he watches Amazon Prime, I can watch with him. It's not like it's not like they're gonna come to the house. Excuse me, ma'am, don't watch out because you it's your boyfriend's account. Come on. Yeah, just like it's a it's it's you pay for the house. Yeah, that's how it is. Um, so they've got a lot of really good movies. Um, like I said, you've got Mercy, The Tomorrow War, you have Reacher, you have some good TV shows and stuff on there. I'm just not the hugest, I don't want to watch action every single day. I sometimes I want to think and use my brain.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

You should watch Invincible. It's a cartoon.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Superhero cartoon.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

I I'm like, like you said, invincible, and I'm thinking of the the guy who was in the war who was a runner. I'm thinking of him, the Italian guy. It it never mind. Uh uh, it's another conversation for another day.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

Uh, anyways, um the Italian job. But I'm also thinking about unbreakable too, which is a really good true story about a guy in the wars, anyways. Um, but so you've got Amazon Prime going, you know what? We'll put you to work. We'll put you, we're gonna pay you less, but we'll put you to work and we're gonna kick you back a little on the back ends because Amazon Prime could actually see the Amazon Studios could actually see the value in doing these productions that go straight to, because you can, you know, get Amazon Prime and get all these other features. It's a way for them to guarantee it's guaranteed money for them.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

And I just, I mean, and it's fine, but the Tomorrow War, and I can't remember. There's another one, and it's got Taylor Kish and Chris Pratt, but it's all Chris Pratt stuff, it's all Chris Pratt and Michael B. Jordan stuff, and it's fine, it's great. Um, so but you've got them and then you've got Netflix going. And if you look at the last six, eight years of Netflix, where they've got their own movies that they've been doing, or they're like, you've got, you know, you got people that go, they shop scripts around like Adam Sandler shops it around going, Hey, I'm gonna put this out. Is anybody interested in producing it with me?

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:14

He's got a fantastic movie on Netflix, and it's literally just him and the voice of Paul Dano. And it's called Spaceman, and it is such, it is so far away from what we know Adam Sandler for. You know, we know him as the calm, goofy, dumbass. Yeah, you know, we know we know him as the goofball, and spaceman is just he's just an astronaut. He's not the devil mama, he not, they're not the devil mama. She told me who boobies and I like it. Um, so, anyways, MCU though, they got smart, they started making some TV shows. Some of them are hit, some of them are missed, but at least they were willing to put content out there.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Yeah, you know. I'm looking forward to the new season of The Punisher.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

You mean Daredevil?

SPEAKER_00 17:02

No. Uh new season of The Punisher coming out.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

There is not a new season of The Punisher. There is a one-off movie of The Punisher coming out.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Is that what it's called?

SPEAKER_03 17:11

It's called The Punisher, One Last Kill. It comes out May 12th on Disney Plus. What'd you do? Look at my notes over here.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

No, I saw the fucking advertisement for it.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

The preview looks great because I thought, oh, are they rebooting The Punisher? Not yet, but they are doing a special where it's either going to be a mini-series or it's going to be a movie.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Okay, because he was in the last season of Daredevil, right? The reboot of the Daredevil series.

SPEAKER_03 17:40

Yes. So that's what I was going to tell you about because I saw that. See, right here, the Punisher. So I actually saw that. So I did a little research and I'm just like, okay, so Netflix originally, pre-COVID, Netflix originally did Daredevil and The Punisher. And then COVID happened, it dies off, but MC, these are MCU characters, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:03

So these are MCU characters.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Although they're not in the official MCU. That was before the official MCU.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

Yes. Well, it was, yeah, it was right when they were. That's one of the ways that they were able to really build the MCU was by selling off the rights, lending the rights to that.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Netflix had the rights to Jessica Jones. Punisher, Iron Fist, and uh Punisher. Punisher, Iron Fist, Daredevil, and fucking Power Man, which I don't remember. Luke Cage.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Just the way you're like, you get too excited. Luke Cage. But so well, but that's what I'm saying is they just had the rights for a short period of time. Now those rights are now back with Disney now.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

They're back with Disney. Yeah, because they had the rights. Then Disney bought Marvel, and there was a gap there where they still had the rights, and then they canceled all the shows.

SPEAKER_03 18:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Because as kind of it as a fuck you.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Yeah, it was just and and that's the thing. I mean, that was something very ballsy for for Netflix to do. Be like, fuck you, you can you're gonna have to start over. You're gonna have to figure out now what's next. And if you think about it, so Daredevil and Punisher, like uh Punisher, um, I have it here. It originally ran until 2019. It did, they did two seasons of it. And 20 so 2019 is the last time we've actually seen the Punisher in his own series.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

And um, so it was like basically they were like, hey, you figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

And Marvel's doing that. And it's kind of interesting because um the uh the Daredevil one, I think, went off in 2018, 2019, right around the same time. It had two or three seasons as well.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Yeah, and then they had the um I can't remember the basically group team up between all those characters, yeah. Um, sort of a uh mini-series that was a team up of Luke Cage and everybody else.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

The first season of Jessica Jones, I liked three-quarters of it, and then I was just like, yawn. And I'm being honest, because I really, really, really wanted to like it much more than I did, but it was like they got three quarters of the way through, and I'm like, oh, mind control. Oh no, we've never seen that before. It just and obviously it's it's it's it was original for the the the comic book strip for the characters, it was original in its time, but because you mind control and manipulation has been such a huge human flaw that we've had in movie and in television, it's just a big theme that we've had for so long. It's just like uh Luke Cage. I didn't even get an opportunity to get into that because it's probably the best series out of all those. Yeah, because but because he he was married to Jessica Jones, I was just like, oh, I don't need to see this. Literally, I I that's literally what my brain did is I'd already had been disgusted with Jessica Jones, how it had kind of gone from A to B. It was like really this kick-ass chick full of action, and then all of a sudden it was, oh, it's really mind control. Uh, and I'm just ugh. Once I get disgusted with something, I'm pretty much it's really hard to change my mind.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

You didn't even get to the completion of that fucking little cycle and find out what actually happened.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

Yeah, I just didn't care because I got annoyed. It was like oblivion. It's like, fuck off, I don't care. But at least I'm being honest about it. Yeah, you know, and that's kind of the key thing. So so Netflix did really smart with that. Just like Netflix did really smart with Stranger Things. Am I angry that it's off the air? Yes. Am I angry at how much the last season, uh a third of it sucked?

SPEAKER_00 21:42

The last season meh. The last season had a bunch of meh.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

It was three quarters meh and a quarter woo, and that was it.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:52

But the way they left it, they did leave it to come back to those characters.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Well, yeah, there's not only to come. Back to those characters, but also like how did that creature end up where he was at in the first place? Yep. So like there's a bunch more stuff that they could do with that same story. Even if they straight up just ignore the actual original cast. Yeah. Maybe they just go back to just the fucking number one.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

The character number one. And uh yeah. And show like his whole which they have. Well, sort of.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

Well, they they have a whole entire thing for Victor Creel.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

They gave you a little fucking brief review of how he became what he was, but they didn't go through everything that he went through up to the point where he meets Eleven.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

So they actually have a stage play right now that explains to you how Henry Creel. Nobody's going to Broadway to see that shit. But yes, you're right. They they do leave it open to where you can go completely back with Vecna, where you can see the origin of the entity.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

And show what all happened to all the other kids because there was more than just Elle that survived, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

So, like showing Kali's fucking whole they could show Kali's story and uh uh Kali, uh Kali Henry, and I mean they could say more people survived, but literally they they they didn't.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

And they could also say that more children that are children of fucking Vecna could be alive too.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

Yeah, uh yeah. So there's a lot of possibilities for it.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Or children of L also, because they were doing that.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

What I would love to see is I would love to see, even if it's in 10 more years. I you know, I don't even want to say because I know Matt Duffer's sitting there on his hindquarters going, oh, please, Jen, tell me, what do you think? Because your brain is so unique. Listen, Duffer brothers, what I'd love to see you do is in 10 in five years, even five years, 10 years, whatever, because Stranger Things not going away. You left your fans with a big bowl of wow, who didn't put fucking sugar on the frosted flakes? Wow. You you left us going, oh, but there's so many different varieties.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Is it just cornflakes bitch?

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Oh, but there are like 809 varieties of oatmeal, and you give us plain what the fuck. Um I would love to see them, especially. I mean, obviously Elle's a fan favorite, but I would actually love to see like what Steve's life would have turned out like. Because I mean, Harrington man, uh, like honestly, you could do a series, you know, called, you know, Harrington Hellions, his little nuggies or whatever they become. And he could name all of his Nuggies after every one of the kids, or you know, him and him and him and Dustin.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

The best of friends. Dustin could go through college to be really smart, and they could go start solving mysteries or whatever, and exploring things like are these things happening because of the world of Vecna and because of the residuals of is they could be hunting for L forever. They could do all these different things. And um, hopefully the Duffer brothers get smart and do that because I have set a reminder for one of the things they're involved in. Uh I've set a reminder for the cartoon Tales from 87, which obviously is the last year they the kids are active or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

Or right after it. And then there's another one they're involved in that it's got a really big long name. I don't even remember it, but I said it. I haven't watched it because I'm still angry. I don't, I don't know if I'm like, you know what I mean? Like, I mean mean mug Netflix every once in a while when I when it recommends watch again. Stranger Things is my number one, or for a long time was my number one recommended watch again. And I'll mean mug it. No, I don't know, I don't want to watch it. You did something awful and terrible to such a good show. And it's because the way they built it up, you know, when you get through that first, the final season, you get through that first part, and Will the Wise is a true wizard, and you're like, oh, right? Yeah. And then the next episode's like, ugh, we're a bunch of whiny brats. Yay! It's like it felt like for for them filming for a year, for them having over 660 hours of content. How did you come up with eight of the 12 crappiest hours? How did you do that? Anyways.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Well, it makes me wonder how much of that is like refilms or reshoots or whatever, right? So it's like, oh, you did this line crappily, do it again. Oh, you did this crappily, do it again. How much of that are they including in their 600 fucking hours? Because then it makes a lot more sense that they ended up with what they ended up with if 40 if like 80% of what they are saying counting is stuff that you can't really use because it's the fucking same scene over and over again.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

Right, sure. And I get that, but even if 80% of it's just a bunch of revamp garbage, that still leaves you with approximately 120 hours to go through. Yeah. And of that 120 hours, most certainly at least 24 of it should have been usable and not this 12 crap that we got.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:22

And it's not, it's I'm like a lot of fans, I'm angry because there was so much potential for it to go so much further. And it didn't. And I get that because you know, Millie Bobby Brown went off and got married and adopted a baby or had a surrogate have a baby or whatever. She's got a kid now, she's got a farm, she wants to, you know, finish her college degree, all those, and she's a movie producer now, too.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

I was gonna say, isn't that she like into producing and directing and stuff?

SPEAKER_03 27:49

Which which I I finally sat down a while back and watched her in um Inola Holmes. I have not seen Enola Holmes two or three yet. Uh because any of them, though. You have you seen Enola Holmes one?

SPEAKER_00 28:03

I've not seen any of them.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

That's so good. And you know, my butt the one of my most favorite parts about Enola Holmes is first of all, I love Millie Bobby Brown, and I love the fact that she's a very sassy girl back in the 1800s, and she just there's no holds bar about it. She's sassy and she knows it and tough. A woman has a right to have a voice and be heard, which you know, nowadays most of us should, you know, I mean, we should, you know, probably listen a little bit more than speaking.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

I'm not saying anything.

SPEAKER_03 28:33

That's right. Don't get canceled. I can, as a woman, I can say I've noticed that our culture, Gen X and younger, we are we are picking up on, we we should take cues from the silent generation where we listen a little bit more than we talk.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

I was gonna say, yeah, I think everybody could probably do a better job of listening and shutting the fuck up.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

Yeah, I I agree. And and you know, that's kind of the important factor that we need to get into uh, and it's not about every voice being heard. It's not about that. It's about going, oh, I'm not the only one who lives on this planet.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Yeah. Like, hey, if you the sky really is green, you fucking should follow the science.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

It's yellow. Listen, okay, it's yellow.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Because I piss all over the sky. My party says it's green, therefore you need to fucking agree or die.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Right? I think so. I talk a lot on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

What?

SPEAKER_03 29:33

But yeah, shut up. But there are times when we're out having other conversations that we're not recording where you talk a lot and you're teaching me stuff. And even though I do jabber a lot with this, my partner, and it's so funny because in real life, my partner will be like, You never talk. You just nod and say, Okay, I'm talked out by the time he gets home, probably. But it's it's not that, it's also um, it's just uh our viewpoints are very different with certain things. Um, so we're trying to figure out how to connect and come in the middle, and you know, we'll see how that all goes, anyways. Uh it's always a work in progress. Life is, and that's the thing that a lot of people don't get, is it's an evolution. Like we'd had this conversation yesterday, this brief conversation about people's perceptions of certain things. And it's just like, you know, anybody who saw us out in real life in public together would never assume some of the things that people assume. They'd just be like, Oh, yeah, they do kind of have similar nose. Are they actually related? I mean, it's it's like it's like uh I'm the older one, so I can say it's kind of like when your pet looks like you.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Wow. My pet would have to be an angel.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

Oh my god. But I mean, anybody else who sees us, when when I say to them, yeah, that's my brother, they're like, Oh, he must be like half-brother. They would never think some of the things that have been said.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

If they saw how we interacted. I mean, like my partner and I, we make jokes a lot, but we don't we don't generally tell each other to go fuck themselves. Yeah, we kind of reserve that for people outside of our relationship.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

But, anyways, uh back to Marvel, Punisher. So I'd actually seen that this week. So I did a little research on it. It's called Punisher, One Last Kill. It's a special presentation by MCU.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Okay. And uh I'm just stoked by the fact that they were able to get everything back, all the all the actors from Daredevil back, and then also um the people from Punisher back. And it's too much to hope for that they get everybody from Jessica Jones, everybody from fucking Luke Cage, and everybody from Iron Fist. It's too much to ask that all of them. That would be my hope that that could happen. But I seriously it's almost impossible for that to happen. Yeah. To have all those people's um uh availability alone line up, let alone all of them wanting to continue with those things, right? So, yeah, it's too much. Everybody should be happy with what they got to begin with if they liked all those shows or even some of those shows.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Yeah. Um and you know, people need to look at it in a very human way. When you go to the grocery store, you have a hundred dollars to spend, everything has gone up and increased in prices. Are you gonna focus on? I need I'm doing this new workout routine, I need more protein. So, what are you gonna give up? Yeah, are you gonna give up your avocados or are you gonna give up your ribeye? Think about it that way, okay?

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Um, give up my crown royal.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

You shouldn't be drinking, anyways. It makes you cry cray.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Um that's what it is. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:08

You're like, I thought it made me uh Rico Suave. What? Um the thing about it is that you have to have a business sense about anything. We can love these characters, but you have to have a business sense about it. And I think that's I think that's something that drives one of my coworkers kind of nuts, is she sees things a certain way, and I'm like, that's not a profitable way. Well, yes, we're a nonprofit, but we still have to cover paychecks. You have because you can't just have just volunteers working at a company, everything will go missing. Like, how did that happen? Well, I don't know. I didn't get paid anything, but I sold these, you know, Air Jordans for 160 bucks. What'd you do for money this week? Yeah, you can't do that. Um, so you have to be able to look at everything in a profitability way. You need to either break even or make enough to cover more. And so I'd had this conversation this last week with her, and she was just like, I don't care. I said, but you need to care. You need to care. Why? Well, because exactly like I told the guys in the production side of things, you need to fucking care if you ever want a pay raise. Do you want to stay at minimum wage for the next three years that you're here while you're improving your people skills, while you're improving all this, while you're learning how to work in a warehouse environment better? Do you do you do you want to stay there for those that get paid? Or do you want to be able to go, you know what, I worked really hard this year and I hit my goals? I'd really like another 25 cents an hour, which doesn't start, doesn't sound like much, but if you're working 40 hours a week, that's another $10 a week. Right. And there's 52 weeks a year, that's another $520. Even if you just put it into a medium yield bearing account, even if you just put $500 of that into a one-year or an 18-month CD, you're adding money, compounding money, and all you did was your job and believe in yourself. So so you have to look at when we're talking about these characters we love, we have to look at the profitability. It'd be great to have Jessica Jones and Luke Cage bang again on screen. Sure, fantastic, whatever. But is it profitable? Is it going to make money to pay these people? Because if you can't figure out a way for it to pay and create a longevity, then it's like, okay, we can give you what you want for eight episodes. And then you can't ever see it again because it's going to take us 10 years to recoup those costs. Or do you go, let's start where we know we have a high demand for it? Daredevil, Punisher first, then Daredevil both have high demands. One of the problems with getting Punisher back into a full storyline is Jay Barenthal has worked at being a believable douchebag for so long. He's in high demand. He is in super high demand. Yeah. Not only does Jay, and he's smart, I hated him. I don't hate many things, but I really disliked this guy. I'm just like, ugh, he's just so cocky and he's so arrogant and he's just so nasty. Yeah. And like, ugh, you know what I mean? And then I took a step back and went, hold on. Why do you feel that way? This is literally what I said to myself. Why do you feel this way about him? Because he's such a douchebag in this show. And you take a step further and go, and he did his job well.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

When you have actors or actresses that through, like he'll tell you, he'll tell you on his podcast, he'll tell you in his interviews that, like, yo, I've not always made the best decisions, but I realize my kids are seeing this and I wanted to do better. So I worked hard at doing better. And he's done better.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:41

And he makes every, I mean, just douchebag just comes so easy to him.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:45

Which is so crazy because I was reminded when I was looking him up, there was another movie he was in. Uh I wrote it, I wrote it down because I didn't want to forget it. So there was a movie he was in and had, speaking of MCU, two other very famous MCU actors in.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

We had a little Hawkeye there and a little Scarlet Witch there in this movie, which is literally the, and I'm telling you, it's the power of perception. It's the only reason I even checked out the movie is one, I have a huge heart on. I have a huge lady lust for Jeremy Renner. He is older, he's mature, he's versatile, he's good looking. The man is damn near invincible. He lived getting ran over by a fucking snow clock. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 37:41

By a trunk.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Like he got mangled and came back to life. Yeah. And his first priority in life has and always will be since the day she was born, his daughter. Yeah. And that to me says relationships come and go. Sometimes they last, sometimes they don't. Yeah. Jobs come and go. Sometimes they last, sometimes they don't. But just to have a guy who's just like, I know I fucked up in my marriage and in my personal life because I'm he's right on that cusp of egotistical and narcissistic. But he does a lot of good for his community. And since the day his daughter was born, he was just like, I don't care where I'm at. She is number one, and she will be number one until I die. And he lives that daily. So I have a lot of respect for it. Anyways, if it hadn't been for Jeremy Renner and Elizabeth Olsen being in this movie, I'd have never watched it. And it's a fucking fantastic movie. It's from 2017. It's called Wind River. And it's about, and it really highlights about how we don't, in our American culture, not Native American culture, in our American culture, no matter where we're at, we kind of sweep under the rug. There is a huge percentage of indigenous women who get sexually assaulted and murdered every year. And nobody ever does anything. They don't publicize it. And so it's literally about um an Indigenous woman who she is found dead, and they're like, What the fuck happened? She froze to death. And so you go through the story. But Jay uh John Barenthal was in there and he was actually a douchebag, not douchebag, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

He was a little bit of a douchebag, not douchebag, and he wasn't the main asshole, which was like shocking to me. But I have a greater appreciation for John Barenthal because he was in a more recent movie, too, called The Accountant.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

With Ben Affleck. And in the first one, he is absolutely, I'm an angry little man. I have short nick complex, rah-rah, rah. Because Ben Affleck is huge compared to Jay Barenthal.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:48

I mean, Ben Affleck is six six four. Something like that. Yeah. He's like 6'4. And he's like a good solid. He probably would be mad if I said it, but I'm sorry, Benny. I'm just going to say it. He's probably a good solid, a lot of muscle to him, 210, if not slightly more, because he's Batman. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 40:06

I mean, he's probably more than that.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

He is, but I'm trying to be nice. He's probably like 234 pounds. But I'm trying to be nice here because men don't like being told.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

Well, when you're 6'4, even if it's all skin and bones, you're probably going to be 200 pounds at least.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

Yeah, so I ain't saying anything bad. I'm saying all good stuff. I mean, look at Chris Hemsworth, like had to put on 30 pounds to play the Thor. I saw video footage of Chris Hemsworth before he had.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

Thor or regular Thor.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

Right. Regular Thor. And I saw pictures of him. I'm like, oh my God. If he had maintained that weight going into Thor and not put on the 30 or 40 pounds or whatever he had to put on, like, oh my God, we'd be like, oh, you need to go back to Asgard and eat, dude. He was sickly looking. And it's kind of interesting how actors and actresses use weight to sh to age themselves up. Because the minute he put on the weight, he went from looking like a 16-year-old boy who was like, please, sir, can I have another? to I'm a man.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Also, like if you've seen The Rock and um goddamn it, what's the other wrestler who's a popular actor right now?

SPEAKER_03 41:18

Uh Dave Bautista.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

Yeah, Bautista lately. They both look really old. Because they've lost a lot of weight. Because they lost a bunch of weight.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

Yeah. I mean, and they are getting older. Let's be honest. I mean, Dave Bautista is like 60-ish, almost 60.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

But it looks almost like they're this is gonna sound bad. It looks almost like they're cancer patients. Yeah, because like they aged overnight. That's what it seems like.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

It's really weird. And I think it has a lot to do with losing the weight rapidly. Like, and and and that's the thing, is that like when your skin gets older, you lose your elasticity.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

So you have to do everything at a better pace. So we have a friend who's going through a huge weight loss journey, and she was cracking me up because she was just like, and my skin's doing this weird thing. And it's just like, it's because she's losing weight too fast. She doesn't have a choice in it. It's a health issue. Yeah. She doesn't have a choice in it. But all you know, she was talking about her tattoos. And she was like, This was the and literally she said, This was a my peace sign was a perfectly round, and now look at it. And I said, It's egg shape. She's like, Yeah, it's like getting long. I said, longer tattoos means longer life. So, but I noticed on Bautista too, his chest look looks fine, but his face and his arms, I'm just like, Yeah, but but even his little son tattoo, his little son's a little unhappy. It's a little frowny now when he's got his shirt off. So I get it. Yeah. But, anyways, um, so John Barenthal, the Punisher, I think this is what Disney's going to use or or or MCU is gonna use to see the response because they've already gotten the feedback from him being in season one of Daredevil Reborn.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

So obviously he was featured in that. Yeah. And then he's gonna be featured in, and he's featured in season two as well, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

Yeah, I mean season two, season one basically ends with him. Sorry. That's all I'm gonna say about it.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

Yeah. So, well, I haven't watched either one of them because I am I am a Ben Affleck fan. I don't hide it. So when the the Daredevil TV show was announced and they didn't pick an actor who looked more like Ben Affleck, I was just like, I have no interest.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

I was happy.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

I know because you hate Ben Affling.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Yeah. You don't hate him, you strongly dislike him. I was unhappy when they chose um Barenthal as the Punisher. Um because the Punisher, my sort of view of Barenthal is a lot like what you were saying, where he's A really good douchebag.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

And he is. Um, and that kind of colored my view of him until I saw like a bunch of interviews with him. Yes. And then I was like, okay, this the dude comes across as a huge douchebag in the shows. Yeah. But and he apparently has been a douchebag in the past. Yes. But he's kind of reformed.

SPEAKER_03 44:22

He's really since he got his stint on The Walking Dead, he's really changed his attitude and actions in life.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

Yeah. So, and then I was like, okay, I kind of like him now. Uh, and he did a fantastic job in The Punisher, even though there's some people out there that hate him as the Punisher still.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

Um, and kind of hate the he's almost a psychopath in the fucking television show. He isn't quite that bad in the comics.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:54

Um he isn't as much, I'm gonna fucking kill everybody in this room. Right. Uh as he is in the show, in the comic books. Uh, but that's what it is.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

And I think part of that, my na I and this is like a really big broad view to look at it. But I think also if you look at when the original comics were written, what our expectations were of men and their behavior and their emotions is completely different than what we think now, 50, 60 years later. Yeah, like 50, 52 years later or whatever. Like, yeah, 50 years later, 50 years later, we expect, we want to see men. We tell, we now are telling our men that it is okay to show emotions. You don't have to be this tough guy all the time. Yeah, you don't, you know, because we've seen what it's done to these people who have to hold everything in and present this certain front. So I think there's also that into it where they're now saying, hey, it's okay to have more emotion. I've seen more men cry in movies and TV shows in the last five years than I have ever at any other point in my life. And I'm I'm I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

I mean, you still get no respect if that's what's happening, but that's another story for another time.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

Right. I mean, I still get all that, but um, yeah. But yeah, Jay John Barenthal is amazing. He really is, and I give him a lot of credit because, like I said, I was just, I just randomly happened to be going through YouTube a couple years ago and saw him, and he did an in, he did was doing, he was interviewing Shia LeBeau for or LaBeouf, excuse me, sir, um, for his podcast, and they were talking about accountability. And the minute I because you can actors are great because you can really tell the difference between an actor when they're acting and when they're actually being themselves. If you have attention to detail, you can tell the difference because there's there's just something in the way their their body language changes, their tone changes, and it's really apparent when John Barenthal looks at Shia LaBeouf and says, Oh, I was a douchebag until my first kid came. And then I realized I can't keep living this life, it's gonna put me in jail. And he goes, and I had to have a I had to have a real hard, you know, a couple of really hard things happen for me to be able to have this perspective.

SPEAKER_01 47:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

And he was just like, and you have to own it, you have to be accountable for every decision you make. That is not a speech anybody could have written because when we talk about accountability, it has to truly come from who you are.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

I literally had a meeting with my boss the other day, and we were talking about certain things, and I and I kind of chuckled about it because I'm just like, well, first of all, you're being flat out lied to. And second of all, maybe it is a perception issue. But I'm the first, I am the first one at work out of anybody there besides this like one new guy. I think we're equally would be the first ones to say, I totally screwed up, and here's how.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

And you have to hold yourself accountable. So the minute he looked at Shia LaBeouf and said, I hold myself accountable for being a douchebag in the past. And it's why I try really hard not to do it now. Sometimes you get lost in moments and you got to catch yourself. But if you can do that, if you can, he and he was just he literally said it ain't about being a man, it ain't about being a woman, it's about being a human. If you can hold yourself accountable, you can go so much further in life than if you try to basically sweep everything under the rug, blame everybody else. No, be accountable.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

It so so so what? So you acted like an asshole. That's what you felt in the moment. Didn't mean you didn't do it. That's what you did. People might not like it, but you can always apologize for mistakes you made.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Yeah. And people are gonna respect you more.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

Yeah, then then make a mistake and saying, John, John, Baron Hoot did it, not me. Yeah. So, but I I did so, yeah. Um yeah, you kind of ruined it because I was just like, I was so excited that I'd actually seen this thing that I knew you really liked, and I was gonna be like, Oh, did you see it? And I got it for you. It's um it's uh coming out May 12th, and of course it's The Punisher, One Last Kill.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

One last kill.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

One last kill. And you can also check Jay Barron Fallout on a lot of different things. Some movies are out there, The Accountant One and Two. I do love the character progression between one and two. I've not seen the second one yet. Well, my partner did not like the second one, he thought it was too um emotional, and I saw it differently. I literally saw the development of this character who went all these years um being separated from his brother, and then finally being able to reconnect and being like, Well, I didn't realize I missed my family.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

Uh so you know it was great. Um, he's also the protagonist's um self-redacted brother on The Bear, which I've watched a few episodes of The Bear with uh Jeremy Allen White, which is pretty good. Um, so he plays uh what's his name on there? Uh Michael. So he's the brother who dies on there. So it's kind of interesting. Um yeah. And then of course he's on uh Daredevil Born Again for which is which by the way, you're gonna be really excited to know they're gonna do at least three seasons of that.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

Oh, nice, because I was afraid that it would get canceled. Yeah, and it and it's there was some like controversy, I think, about it coming back or whatever. Yeah, maybe it was just people were like, Oh, I wanted something else or something.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

There there was, I cannot remember what the controversy was. It was something about something that happened with one of the actors, but right now, when I did the research on like Daredevil Born Again, it says season one, two, and three. One was 2025, two is 2026, and three is either gonna be the end of 26 or beginning of 27. It's that's the way it's planned right now.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 50:53

Um, so yeah, so I think what I think what MCU's doing to me seems like they're kind of doing a feeler.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

And because this is so uh Daredevil Reborn and The Punisher one last kill is all part of phase six of the MCU. So how how can MCU move forward? Well, they don't know until they put the feelers out because a lot of people are pissed with the the end of the Avengers line, and then you know they're reach, they're trying to do these the Thunderbolts, which even in the comics was the new Avengers, and people are still mad about that.

SPEAKER_00 51:29

And it's just like what about the West Coast Avengers?

SPEAKER_03 51:34

Oh my god, well, so, anyways, so I will I actually just because I know how much you like that show, I actually did a little research.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

It's appropriate.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

Oh my god, and then yeah, and then I'm gonna give that a strong recommend to watching Wind River to everybody, um, just so you can understand a little bit more about the indigenous woman's plight that's going on, and it's um it's a it's let me tell you what, it is appropriate the way the movie ends. And um, I just want people to keep that in mind when you're doing things. Somebody get the shit murdered out of them. Karma will always find its way back to you. Karma's a bitch, karma's a dirty, cold ass motherfucker who will get you in the end. But, anyways, uh yeah, no, you rude it for me. I was so excited. I was just like, oh my god, I paid attention to something that Dag delikes, and he's gonna be so impressed that I did this. And you're just like, Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

I'm awesome. Yes, you are right.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Oh my god, you just suck so much.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

Can you please swallow from now on? I'm amazing.

SPEAKER_03 52:41

Yeah, it's I'll I'll tell you what. Last thing, I'm gonna give this to John Barenthal before we leave. That man is doing all these shirtless scenes at 50, he's almost 50 years old, and his body don't look a day over 35. Yeah, and I am amazed. He still does a lot of his own stunts. I I'm amazed. I'm amazed. I mean, yeah, I still feel like he's always constantly got a broken nose because I think his nose has been broken three times.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was a boxer.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Well, yeah, I mean, yeah. Um, but I'm just like, but otherwise, he's amazing, he's got a good range, and I'm glad that just because he made me mad as Shane in the Walking Dead, once you can stand back and go, that was his job.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Nobody saw Shane coming except for your wife. Uh epic rap battles.

SPEAKER_03 53:32

Oh my god. That is just terribly bad. That is that is horrible, sir.

SPEAKER_00 53:41

It's true.

SPEAKER_03 53:42

It's true. Only Lori saw him coming.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

Oh. I wonder how like let's give them like 10 seconds, see if they figure it out. Have a good day. Later. Bye.

SPEAKER_02 54:03

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