Trickle Down Entertainment

 Jen and Dagda dive deep into nepotism in Hollywood—who's a nepo baby, who's not, and when it actually matters. This is a sprawling conversation about trickle-down entertainment, first-generation actors, and the fine line between privilege and proving yourself.

From The Baldwins to the Sheens , there is much to be said about how Hollywood has always done it and will continue to provide trickle down entertainment!

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Transcript

Welcome

SPEAKER_05 0:03

Welcome to Everyday Life. Thank you for joining our podcast, Conversations Over Coffee. My name is Jen. And I'm Dagda. And we're gonna hit you with the explicit content warning right off the bat. This podcast does include adult situations and adult language from time to time.

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I'm an angel. I never fucking cuss.

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Okay.

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Anyways, you ready to go?

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Oh yeah.

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Alright, let's go.

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Read the fucking buttons from here. Because of the maybe it's because you need to get your eyes checked. No, it's because of the glare. I can read it just fine now.

SPEAKER_05 0:46

Oh yeah. Well, I mean, I did notice that once I tilted mine up on my lift.

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Uh-huh. Yeah, no, you need to get your eyes checked.

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I do. I haven't had an eye exam. Well, I mean, oh no, no. The DMV just gave me an eye exam.

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Yeah.

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Read this line. Dang, you can still read that? Like, hello. It's not like I'm 90.

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I actually have one of those eye chart things in my bedroom and I can't read it from where I sit.

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You cannot?

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Not the so not the 2020 line or even the one too above it.

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Yeah.

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So yeah. Yeah.

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I can read the 2020 line from the DMV.

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Yeah, yeah, because your eyes are 2020.

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Well, I actually think I have one eye that's 2020 and one eye that's like 18, 19, 20.

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Yeah.

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You know, from the last time I did a a DOT physical, but yeah, I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

And super annoying after spending how many years with 2020 Vision?

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And now it's like, I can't read that. Well, it's even funnier. Is um, so I was trying to 10-key something at work the other day because one of the PC setups is just a POS. I mean a complete POS. And it like, if you if you try to rapid scan to get through stuff really fast with a scanner, it's like a snotty 16-year-old. No, I'm not getting. And it stops. So I'm trying to 10-key. So I gotta hold it out to here. I gotta hold it like two feet from me with my good eye. This is my bad eye. And I'll be like, uh, I think it says 477 W V. I have to start all over. I have this lady, she's like, Do you want to borrow my readers? I'm like, no. I'm like, no. And luckily it was

Shall we talk some games?

SPEAKER_05 2:30

a sunny, it was like a really sunny day. So I'm like, it's the glare.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Yeah.

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But the reality is, is I tried to read it with my left eye, which is the eye that got burned uh when I worked at a jack in the box when I was a teenager. And I got full-on 500-degree crease in my eye. And so they told me they're just like, eventually over time, you know, no matter how well you take care of it, eventually over time, you're gonna get some blurriness out of it. It's just the scar tissue.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

Yeah.

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Um scar tissue that I wish you saw. So guess what?

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Anyway.

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Listen, RCHP.

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Yes, the red hot chili peppers.

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Did I remember it was the right one?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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RHCP.

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Like honestly. R whatever. Like, honestly, if you're gonna do any uh RHCP, you should do give ri giv ri giv ri now. That's my favorite one, just because I can just because I can roll the R. And I can do it rapidly. Rapido. Rapido, rapito. No. I can't wait to see my driver's license because I tried to, she didn't show me a picture of it. So I imagine it's gonna come and I'm probably gonna look like uh Lady Glitter Sparkles from troll. Because I'm like, she's like smile, I'm like, I'm trying to keep a neutral face. Because when I smile, I look like a serial killer in all of my DMV photos. I look like I'm plotting something. Like I mean, I am plotting world domination at some point.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Okay, pinky.

SPEAKER_05 4:05

And the brain burn burn, but like small world domination, like the world of A or B or C or you know, whatever. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

Anyways, the world of Warhammer 40k.

SPEAKER_05 4:19

I wish I was the best at one of those games, but I don't have the patience anymore. Like, I mean, uh after you left yesterday, yeah, because you were here yesterday. After you left yesterday, I played my seven days to die, and it was just like, and it was so funny because I was just like, how my seven days to die normally play is like is I go through and I'm just like doo-doo, I'll do some missions or whatever, blah blah blah, drive around. I was on mission yesterday. I'm like, I am going to achieve this about my base, and I because I've only found one trader, because one of the missions you can do is to open a trade route and go find another trader.

SPEAKER_04 4:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 4:57

So it said 1.2 kilometers away, and I'm like, sweet, and then it instantly failed, which means shit, there's not a trader there. Yeah, so I might be stuck my entire playthrough, and I name and I name and I named my game world on this one Shamalama. Get it? Shamalama ding dong.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

Yeah.

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I have I have two of them, but I haven't gone back to the other one because the other one was like day two. I was building stuff that you shouldn't really be able to build before day seven. Okay. So I just built a mini bike yesterday, but I built a built a mini bike and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go on these missions. So I did. I got my whole garden built, I've got my forge built, I've got my uh uh workbench built, I've got some food in the bank, I got my orchard built, except for I I need to find uh the their coconut trees and banana trees.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 5:51

But I got my I got my apple trees and my orange cheese planted. So I don't know, like it well, you were saying yesterday you've got this new game you're playing. Did you go home and play it last night?

SPEAKER_01 6:01

No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_05 6:03

You went home and nap, didn't you?

SPEAKER_01 6:04

No, I just watched some YouTube videos and then I watched two more episodes of the Man on Fire.

SPEAKER_05 6:11

So that leaves you out with two more before you're finished?

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Yeah, two more.

SPEAKER_05 6:14

Yeah, I know how to math really good.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Congratulations.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Well, I figured you said you were about halfway through it, right? Yeah, and and you then you said it was like a total of eight episodes, so I just mathed really good.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:27

Hey, it's deductive reasoning, Sherlock. Oh, my clue game? You can play Sherlock Holmes if you want.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

That's funny.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

It it really is. It's really cool though, because it's got all these, instead of just your traditional clue black blackground background, you've got um like a vampire castle, you've got uh like a snow lodge, you've got all you've even got like a cruise ship or some shit like that. But you can play any be any character except for the AIs you pick to play against if you're doing single player. Yeah, because I don't I don't like multiplayer very much because you always run into those chuckleheads that are like, oh, you get three minutes to do your turn or whatever, and they'll take all three minutes. Yeah, and it's just like you know what? That's not really necessary. You roll the dies, you decide where to go. Are you are you gonna make an accusation or not? It's not that hard to read the card because uh the game does everything for you. It's really easy, it's just fun to kind of trot around and figure out who did it, and one of the games, I did it.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Yeah, and at my work, people donate stuff, and somebody had donated like four different versions of how to host a murder. Um they donated this one that was it was essentially the same thing, but it was um it was some influencer. So it was like this influencer got murdered, and you're trying to solve their murder. Um and then there was a bunch of so there's actual photos of her.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

It's an actual person, right? And then um, and then some of her friends who were also influencers.

SPEAKER_05 8:13

So that's just a clue game.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Yeah, basically. Um and there's like images because she gets murdered in a hotel room at some sort of convention or something.

SPEAKER_05 8:24

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

And so there's a bunch of images of people walking down the hallway in her hotel room past her door, and people going into her room interesting right around the time that she got murdered.

SPEAKER_04 8:34

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Um, and it's set up so that there's like three days of investigation.

SPEAKER_05 8:40

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Um, and different information comes out each day. Uh and they're like in sealed envelopes each day. And they had somebody who I whoever donated it had opened the first two. So they never got they never completed the game.

SPEAKER_04 8:55

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

So did you open the third one? No, I didn't. I just okay. It looks like a bunch, it looks like this is all here. Put it back in the box and then sealed it and sold it.

SPEAKER_05 9:04

Over at over at my shop where I work, there has been now three Jumanji games.

SPEAKER_03 9:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

Uh and it was super hilarious because the first one that came through was like maybe six weeks ago. And it was just like, and it was like an opened one. You could see it was open. And then the guy was just like, Yeah, I collect games, and so this is cool. I wish I would have got a sealed one. Well, the next one that came through was like last week or the week before, and it was a sealed one.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 9:35

And me and another manager looked at this dude and we're just like, Don't come back here. If we if we hear the thumps, we're not, we're not saving you. It's not just no, it's a disclaimer. You played your own risk, we're not doing it. And then on uh Saturday, when I was cleaning up, because you know, God forbid, humans go into stores and act like humans. No, there's been some, you know, in retail, you always get these little theft rings, and they like to come in and they like to make big messes, and then they kind of what they do is they kind of strand around. And then when you're calling for like a recovery or you know, like a floor cleanup or whatever, then they actually will actually walk out with stuff where there's not enough people paying attention for you to say anything about it.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Everybody's focused on cleaning up the floor.

SPEAKER_05 10:24

Oh, because you know, if you ask the clerks to help do anything, oh no. Um, that's not their pay grade, their pay grade is to just count whatever the screen says.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

I mean, it's it's the amount of laziness that goes on in the world today is I'm not kidding. I have a clerk who, if they have to move more than eight feet from their station, we're being unreasonable. We're being unreasonable. Why, why are you asking me to go put this up when there's nobody here to help? I can I can wipe a hanger down. And they literally will stand there and wipe a hanger down. I don't know. Anyways, um, so yeah, but there's been like this big surge of games coming in, like these old school games, and they're still sealed. And I'm like, you know, you kind of wonder like were people who donated these things or brought these things in, did were they scared of playing Jumanji like it was really gonna happen, like it did to Robin William back in the day?

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Fuck, I'd play that game if that was gonna happen, sure.

SPEAKER_05 11:27

You know, we've seen the movies enough, we know what to watch for, especially the hippos, the most dangerous things. So you just do have you seen all three of the versions?

SPEAKER_01 11:37

I saw the first one with Robin Williams in the theater. I don't remember, I think I did watch the second one, which is the next uh Jumanji, the next level.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

That's with uh Dwayne Johnson and Kevin Hart.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Okay, I thought there was one in between there where there was one that was set in like the 80s or something, and it had like it was an updated version of the game.

SPEAKER_05 12:01

It wasn't I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Um I thought there was a second one.

SPEAKER_05 12:05

There's three total that I know of.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

I mean closer to when Robin Williams did the first one. Oh and then there's the two with The Rock and Kevin Hart, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 12:17

I don't know. I don't Google it right now because uh I I don't it doesn't spark in my brain, but the original Jumanji I've only seen once, and uh why I'm already on Wikipedia, why wouldn't I just go Jumanji?

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Yeah, but yeah, I definitely saw that one in the theater, and then the other two I've watched on Netflix or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 12:39

Zathuru. Zathhura is the sequel, so it's not it's not exactly the same thing. So yeah, the actual Jumanjis themselves, but Zathuru, Zathura, I think that's where we kind of Josh Hutcherson kind of gets introduced into the world. Um, and I loved him in all of the Hunger Games. You he's from uh Future Man or something like that. Oh yeah, he's funny.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

His uh his character in Future Man is way better than his character in fucking Hunger Games, that's for sure. Hey, um Peter Millark is a good-hearted man.

SPEAKER_05 13:17

Take it, take it easy.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Isn't there some show or movie where he was a bad guy?

SPEAKER_05 13:24

Well, I mean, he's no, maybe I don't know. I I'll have to do some research on him. I just started my research on John Cusack, and all I did was research just when he was born and who his dad was, and found a couple interesting things. I was like, oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

That's kind of his dad a famous person.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

Um, kinda. His dad was a an award-winning um ad exec guy that in the 80s went into uh helping with like documentary films and then also being an actor.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

So it's a lot of the people from around the time that John Cusack got big, they're a lot of those people in his same sort of age group. Yeah, all their parents were famous. Parents and siblings, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:10

Nepo babies. Yeah. Um, I don't think it was exactly the same for John Cusack because uh from what I've seen so far, he kind of, I mean, yeah, he's got the same name. He's not gonna change his name. Yeah, but his dad didn't really start doing things until the very late 70s, early 80s. And John Cusack himself was born in the 60s.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:31

So, you know, he'd already started doing things.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Yeah, yeah. Um, he's in one of my favorite movies, which his dad got his start at the same time as John did.

SPEAKER_05 14:40

Actually, you know, yeah, kinda. I mean, they kind of like did it together. It's almost sounds like, but I haven't got that far into the research, and I don't want to say something where I have to redact. Redact, redact, redact, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

It is not heresy, and I will not recant.

SPEAKER_05 14:55

But it I I will I will definitely say that there's a lot of families out there where you've got I think it's Neppo kind of situation, but they'll say it's not. But you have like a lot of actors out there who were in the 70s, 80s, 90s, like really big, where they had somebody in their family who was a producer or director or all that. Yeah, you know, so it's it's I think probably for most Gen Xers, the most recognizable,

Jolie, Lowe, Sheen

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and it definitely isn't a Nepo baby situation because she was estranged from him. But if you look at parents and then kids that became actor, you you definitely have to go right to Angelina Jolie. Yeah, and and her parents, John Voigt, and uh I don't remember how to say her mom's name, Bouchard, but uh but John Voigt. I mean, I remember very much. And then, like, you've got the Lowe brothers. Chad, you know, Chad went into acting, and so did Rob. So, and I I think they have somebody in their family that's like a producer.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Oh, and then Charlie Sheen and Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean there's so many of them from that Sean Penn. Yeah, that their parents were either directly in the movie industry or adjacent.

SPEAKER_05 16:16

Yeah, and um and there's not and there's nothing wrong with it.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

I mean on the it it it's almost kind of like preordained because like okay, they grew up around acting, chances are they would be a comfortable in that environment because you need to be in order to be fucking successful. B also be somewhat um predisposed to being an actor. Yeah. I I suppose because you see it so much, yeah, then you can learn from your parents doing it because you can watch them as they're doing it, not just watch them in in the movies. Yeah, so you can see behind the scenes and get kind of familiarized with the kind of bullshit that you're gonna have to be dealing with.

SPEAKER_05 17:00

I mean, yeah, I mean, it it's it's it's so crazy, like a very good example. And we've we've done this, we did all about Charlie Sheen. But what's interesting is if you look at Charlie Sheen and Emilio Esteves, who are both Martin Sheen's children. Yes, if you look at how different their path was, they're both very good looking men.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:21

Some people I prefer the sandy blonde, uh, some people prefer the black haired, I don't care. I think they're both very, very good looking men, but it it is a pondering question like, did one have more success because they used their father's stage name versus the other? Because they weren't getting, you know, we talked about this, they weren't getting as many bites as Carlos Esteves.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:46

But Charlie Sheen all of a sudden was just like, hey, we gotta have him.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:50

And I do think that he's a very good actor.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah, I was thinking while you were talking about that, because their father was a very good looking dude too.

SPEAKER_05 18:01

Oh, yeah. Martin Sheen, oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Um, and I was trying to think which one of them I think is actually a better actor, and I kind of think it's a wash.

SPEAKER_05 18:11

Um I I I think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

I think it depends on maybe the roles that they're playing, because everybody's gonna grab be better at certain things than others, like playing the bad guy. You might excel at that but suck at playing a hero or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 18:30

Um it it's a weird thing where, like, for me, when it comes to somebody who's got these this like pure heart and like strong and everything, I immediately think, oh, hands down, Emilio Esteves has that depth. And then when I think of Goofball, I think of Charlie Sheen, Hot Shots Part D, Hot Shots, uh Major League, you know, all of those things. And I don't think Wild thing. Yeah, I just I don't I think everything he everything he's done when you lay it all out side to side, I would pick Charlie Sheen for a a comedic role over Emilio Esteves any day of the week. Okay, yeah, because Emilio Esteves is very like there was a documentary that uh Andrew McCarthy did called Bratz. And it's all about the Brack pack, the Brat Pack that was from the 80s. Yeah, and it's interesting how everybody had a different perspective on how it impacted their lives because they did all of these films in a short period of breakfast time club, St. Elmo's Fire, Less Than Zero, Pretty and like all these different things. They all kind of ran in the same circle and they all kind of partied together. And when you listen to Emilio talk about it, he's just like it's it just was what it was. It's part of the life, it it happens, and you know, yeah, it gets annoying when people are invading and scrutinizing, but you don't sit there and dwell on it. You you have to keep moving forward because when you're in the entertainment industry, you are in a role of being overscrutinized, and but it impacted Ali Sheedy, Judd Nelson, uh Demi Moore, and you know, Andrew McCarthy, it impacted them all so differently.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:22

I mean, Andrew McCarthy, I think definitely got impacted the most because he didn't know how to deal with the anxiety, and it it, you know, uh, I don't know. Anyways, uh, but you know, I there's so many, it really is almost like Nepo babies. And I don't know. Uh sometimes I just wish that there would be like new fresh faces. Oh, but wait, there is. I mean, there's always somebody new, there's always somebody new, but somebody new that can go the distance.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Yeah, there'll be another one of you tomorrow.

SPEAKER_05 20:56

Yeah, it that is very true, but it's always that thing where it's just like so many people are going, oh well, your your mom, Julia Louis Louis Dreyfus, she was on she was on a really popular show. She did really good. So, you know, we'll bring you in and people will recognize because you look similar. Julia Louis Dreyfus is like five foot nothing. Her son is six foot five, and he doesn't even he doesn't even go by Louis Dreyfus. He goes by his dad's last name. And I mean, he's a good-looking kid. I would pick him second, I would pick him behind Jacob Lourdes to do Dresden only because he's too big. I'm not talking about the tall. He's too bulky. He's too, he's too like he would do good um as uh as Michael Carpenter. Yeah, I mean, but he's not old enough. He's younger than he's like around the same age as Jacob Carpenter.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Are you talking about his brother?

SPEAKER_05 21:52

No, he's too big. Because remember, Thomas is Thomas is shorter. Thomas is shorter, Thomas is more like six two, six three, and he's lean. He he's built like Henry Cavill, so you know there's a big difference.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

You want Henry Cavill to play?

SPEAKER_05 22:07

Yes. Yes. Henry Cavill, please play Thomas.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

He is kind of pretty.

SPEAKER_05 22:12

He's very pretty. And they can CGI him to make him look younger and then slowly green him up.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:17

But no, uh, Charlie Hall is he would fit Dresden book uh 1617 Asian. Like the more recent ones where he's been, he's taken on the winter mantle, he's been, he's been running with 200 pounds on his back, bulking up. He would, he would fit that.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

You know, but I don't know. I feel bad when you hear things like Nepo babies, because there are some very good uh I think there's some very good actors that have just been more they're superseding their parents, like they are going beyond their parents. Maya Hawk being one of them. Okay. I enjoy Ethan Hawk. I enjoy Uma Thurman, even though everybody tells me Uma Thurman sucks.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Uma Thurman. I mean, I wouldn't go as far as to say necessarily that she sucks, but she's just she's she's not my cup of tea.

SPEAKER_05 23:10

Yeah. Like she's not somebody I want to see all the like as soon as she did the kill bills, I was like, Meh, I'm out.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:15

I mean, I didn't mind her in uh pulp fiction.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

Because I was just like, oh, you you play a dirty girl pretty good. Sweet.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Also, like that movie didn't revolve around her, it was an ensemble cast, so you didn't have to stare at her for two hours. It was more like 15 minutes or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 23:34

Yeah. Like, yeah, Kill Bill just wasn't my thing. Nothing against Tarantino. It's just, it's just not my thing. But I know a lot of people because they're like, oh, she looks so hot in that leather get up. Okay, well, good. I'm glad that that's your get off thing or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

My name's Book.

SPEAKER_05 23:51

Right. But Maya Hawk herself, I'm really excited to see her in this new part

Hawke, Louis-Dreyfus, Estevez

SPEAKER_05 24:00

of the Hunger Games world. Uh, that she's gonna, it's gonna be coming out like later this year or whatever. Uh, not Songbirds and Snakes, but the next one. Um, but I loved how she portrayed Robin and the way she grew Robin in Stranger Things. And she's done other things as well, but she's I don't know, just the way she can convey, she doesn't have just comedic timing, she has a huge range of empathetic emotion that you can really see, you know, and so I don't know. I really liked how she developed that character. I would rather honestly watch her than her mom.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:40

You know, and that's nothing against you as her easy, yeah, easily. I I would rather, I would love to see Maya Hawk and Ethan Hawk do a movie together.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:50

Like I would love to see them do just hint out there if Duffer Brothers, if you're listening, which I know you are.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Um oh the proof is in the television shows.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

That is correct. I think they should get Ethan Hawk and Maya Hawk together as a father-daughter assassination duo. I think that would be fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

So make her the new hit girl.

SPEAKER_05 25:12

Yeah, but keep it like a little more gritty. You know, because that's the one thing I like about Stranger Things was even though I'm mad at it still, how it ended, there was this level where it was kind of campy when it first started. Like you when it first started, you're really like, oh kids, they really think everything's true, these games, these demons. Oh, they're real spells. That's that's you're supposed to say that then. There's a real spell, say some real demons. That's right. Um, I wish. But I like how it did get a bit grittier because I think that life is, I don't think life is gritty to the extremes that you see in most movies, but I do think it's a little messier than most shows portray, you know. Anyways. Yeah, I yeah. So, anyways, I'm doing research on John Cusack. And and I don't I just don't think it's a Nepo baby thing, though, because I do think he was much like his father was known for advertising and and and he he wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

So I mean, also most of those people that we mentioned, if you ignore the fact that they're the children of Hollywood Elite, there's their movies still stand for themselves, right? So it's not like they all fucking suck and they only have a job because of their parents. Yeah, it's like they're all fucking at least relatively good at their fucking job. There's plenty of actors out there that suck that never had their advantages, yeah. So it's not like they're doing any worse than anybody else, and it's just because of their name that they fucking got a job or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 26:51

Yeah, I mean we make such a big deal about nepotism nepotism.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

If you suck and you only got the job because the same thing is for for DEI or anything else like that. Yeah. If you suck at your fucking job and you only got it because of reasons other than you applied and you won the fucking right to be there, um, then fuck you.

SPEAKER_05 27:15

But well, I think what it is is we make this huge deal about nepotism when it comes to entertainment, when it comes to movies, TV shows, uh, you know, theater, stage, video sport, we make such a big deal about it. But the reality is, is okay, why is it necessarily a bad thing in those genres if they're the children of these sports and they've been taught by the best? Wouldn't we want the best to continue entertaining our next generation?

SPEAKER_01 27:47

They should have an advantage even without the the name bringing them forward. Yeah, the potential training and even potential just straight up DNA that enabled their parent to be whatever, yeah. Um is likely to give them an advantage anyway. So it the chances are that they would be actually be better at whatever job it is that they're trying to do. Now, when it comes to fucking running a business or something like that, not necessarily the same. Still it's you have a better chance because you've been able to observe firsthand. Yeah, potentially you've been able to observe firsthand how to fucking do it successfully.

SPEAKER_05 28:32

But but see, that's the thing. So, like there is a movie out now, and it's got uh Rachel McD Addams, and of course, one of my absolute favorites, Dylan O'Brien in it. Okay, and it's called Send Help, and it's a horror comedy. And I watched it and I loved it. And that's Are you sure it's actually a horror comedy or just you think it's a comedy because you think no, it's literally listed on Hulu as a horror comedy or comedy horror. Uh and and it and it is the absolute, it really shines a light on what we feel that nepotism is, because it it is a nepoty, you know, situation in this movie. And and it's just like I think everybody thinks that anybody who gets a job because daddy owned the company or daddy ran the company or whatever, and then you're named the next CEO or CFO, you know, if you follow in your parents' footsteps, that oh, it's just nepotism, and and they see this Dylan O'Brien character as yep, they're all like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

And yeah, it it's I mean, there's so many horror stories like our old boss used to talk about the company that he worked at before he came full-time to his mom's business. And speaking of Nepo babies, right?

SPEAKER_05 29:51

But sometimes they work out, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

And basically he worked for a painting company. Yeah, and they basically they made samples, so like when you go to Lowe's or whatever and you see all the paint samples, yeah. They somebody has to manufacture those, so they they were one of the companies that did this. Anyway, the um founder of the company he sent his son off to college, and when his son graduated, he basically retired and let his son take over the business, and then his son fucked up the business.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Um, mainly because he didn't know anything about their particular business. He knew business practice and all that sort of stuff, yeah. But he fucked up doing the actual job that they were supposed to be doing. Like Chuck would constantly talk about how he would make all these samples, and the particular type of paint required several days to actually cure and dry. And if you went in there and you didn't know that, you would think that the paint was dry because it would be dry to the touch. But if you went and stacked the stuff, they would stick to each other. And so the dude went in there, we need this kiln or whatever. So he'd go in there and you'd stack them all up, and then Chuck would come in and they're all fucking stuck to each other. He's like, What the fuck are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 31:15

Yeah. So well, you know, and that's so that's that's one of the things that I love about research is and I go in that rabbit hole, and and you can learn different things. And I like I like it when the actors I like are actually more famous than their parents were, yeah. Or, you know, they come from nothing, and you know, starting from zero, you have nothing to lose, yeah, and you go forward, and I really love that. And you know, there's you know, there's lots of actors I would love to look up, but I don't think there's going to be enough hours in any given day for me to get through my top hundred in a in in a month.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Yeah, because there's a pretty good percentage of even current actors that are the result of former actors, yeah, um, and actresses or whatever, um, or directors or producers or what have you. Um, I don't know. I hesitate to say that it's like half or more. I I think it's probably less, it's probably closer to 25, somewhere between 10% and 25%, probably. I don't fucking know. I'm talking up my ass. But uh because there's such age raw to be an actor or an actress that there's constantly millions of people trying to do this, and there's only realistically a couple hundred people that are going to be names, quote unquote. So the turnover is ridiculous, probably even more ridiculous than the porn industry, right?

SPEAKER_05 32:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Uh maybe not now, actually.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

Well, it's it's very interesting because I actually

When it's a problem vs when it's not

SPEAKER_05 33:00

think the number is much higher. I think it's somewhere around the 35 to 45 percent range. Where the actors who are currently acting right now that are gaining a good amount of popularity, I think it's because they are a direct descendant, uh, whether it is uh that's my mom, that's my dad, or a side descendant of that's my aunt, that's my uncle type situation, or like or or whatever, because I think there's more than that. I I think there's more than that. And honestly, I would honestly say there's probably more black actors that are not related to anybody. Yeah, because like you know, Tiffany Haddish, and and she's fantastic. Kevin Hart, he's fantastic, yeah. And but you know, you've got so many good, good, good, good actors, African American, all different sorts.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Ice Cube's uh son is an actor now. In fact, he played Ice Cube in yeah, uh straight out of Compton.

SPEAKER_05 34:00

Yeah, he was in um there's a movie I really like, but I don't like the the sequel, and he's part of a uh bunch of robbers. I don't know, but O'Shea Jackson Jr. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he hasn't done a whole lot, yeah. He was really he's really good at throwing voices, he's really good at uh his British accent is on point, his Australian's okay, his English is very good. You what's interesting about O'Shea Jackson Jr., since we're just talking about like random actors, yeah, um, is you can tell that his dad whooped his education into his ass because he sounds like an Ivy Leaguer when they're talking to him in interviews. He's very articulate, he's very thoughtful with what he says. He doesn't, he doesn't do what most people do when they get exhausted in an interview. Like, I'm so tired of you asking me about my dad. Why don't you ask him if he's respectful, he answers a question, and he tries to move it along, but he doesn't get like, you know, like other famous people have, and they're just like, are we here to talk about me? Are we here to talk about my dad? Because I don't want to talk about my dad. Yeah. Like, you know, that whole thing. He just keeps himself so professional. And like his articulation, I would not be surprised if his PSAT was up there in that 1200 range. Because he is just, oh, he's so good looking too. But you can tell his parents pushed him to you better get your academics right. You better get your academics right, you better get your vernacular right because you are not going to be in this world acting like a tubit. Like I think that's one thing that like Ice Cube has always been like he doesn't shy away from his past, but he he pulled himself up. He pulled himself up. Hard. And I I still love me some Ice Cube. I still cry every time I watch Boys in the Hood, which I know you've never seen.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

I've never watched that movie.

SPEAKER_05 36:01

That I've seen parts of it, I want to say, but the whole entire movie, I think, is not you would say, I think people should watch American History X.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 36:11

You would say that because that is a legit has really happened type things. I would say the same thing about Boys in the Hood.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 36:19

So if we're if we're gonna say Gen Xers, there's two movies you definitely should have watched out anything, it should be those two movies.

SPEAKER_03 36:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 36:26

So you so you get I I think that's the fairest way to say you get the idiocy of both what everybody deals with by upbringing situations and all of that. Um, but I still cry every time I see Boys in the Hood and I see certain things happen and the very end of the movie, and it's just like, ugh, it just kills me every time. And it and it's so, it's just so like people nowadays do not understand what it was like back in the day to be one of only two white couples in an entire drive-in theater filled with African Americans to see this movie. I didn't get treated differently, but Pierce County Sheriff thought something might happen because I was there and I was white. And I was like, that's fucking stupid. It's it's stupid. It lit you know, it it was a drive-in. I mean that's no longer a drive-in.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

I mean, if they showed roots at the fucking drive-in, that something that might have been different, but you know, it's or what was that one with fucking Samuel L. Jackson where it was like about a bunch of racist dudes killed the dude's daughter, and then he went into the thing and shot all the fucking dudes.

SPEAKER_05 37:33

Oh, oh god, it had Matthew McConaughey in it. Yeah, he was the lawyer, and he was the lawyer. Yeah, it's not Lincoln Lawyer, it's not Mississippi Burning. I cannot think of the name of it right now, but I read that book and I threw up when I read the book.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Oh, did they go? It was very discretion. It's a John Grisham book.

SPEAKER_05 37:51

Yeah, it's a John, not is it Lincoln Lawyer?

SPEAKER_01 37:54

No, that's the one where he's like in his car.

SPEAKER_05 37:57

Yeah. Um, but I don't know, we should look it up because we're kind of like duh.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

It was a fucking really good movie.

SPEAKER_05 38:04

It's a really good movie, but I it's a John Grisham story, and I read the book and it was horrific. And as a female, it was horrific. But then when I read the story and I threw up, I legit threw up, it made me mortified for my little sister because even though she's less than two years younger than me, she is a tiny little thing. Now, nowadays, you know, I worry she can handle her own. You know, she's still a tiny little thing, but she she will click, click, boom if needed. That's all I gotta say. Just like the rest of us in the family, except for my mom. Mommy's like, hi mommy. Hi, mommy, hi mommy. Mommy's just like, mom wants to hit him with a Louisville slugger. She dares somebody, she'll knock him out with her Louisville slugger. Not me. I don't want to get within 10 feet with you. I will click, click, boom if you get aggressive with me, period. Yeah. Um, but, anyways, uh, damn it, that's driving me nuts that I can't think of the name of it. But it had Sam Jackson, Sandra Bullock, Matthew McConaughey, and Ashley Judd in it. And when I read the book, horrified, threw up, it made me think about my little sister. And then, you know, you get to the part in the movie, and it's the same part in the book where it's just like, close your eyes, picture this, now picture her white. And it it really showed this divide that we were still dealing with in the 80s and the 90s, because that when you take the history of the South and then you add something like that into it, it really makes you go, I mean, I ain't trying to trash talk the South, but why like but being from the Pacific Northwest, we didn't have slaves.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:50

Oh, nobody in my family, nobody, and we go back to the 1500s, none of us have had slaves in my family. So for me, it's such a bizarre concept where I you're not sure, but you're somebody in your lineage could have been.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

Probably. And I mean, I'm Irish and African American, so chances are almost 100% that there were slaves in my past.

SPEAKER_05 40:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

In other words, my ancestors were slaves.

SPEAKER_05 40:19

Um, but you don't, but you don't ever hold it to you like no, you know what I mean? Which I I get feeling anger because it's what we're taught. I was taught by my mother, we're all equal and fair. You know, uh, so I I don't know, but yeah, this driving me nuts nuts. I have to look it up. I have to look up Sam. It's your fault. Damn it. Yeah, I don't remember. Um, but yeah, uh, you know, but like McConaughey, Bullocks, all of those guys, they're like first generation. So when their kids become actors, you know, we'll see. Like Louis Dreyfus, I believe she comes from either a political family or an acting family.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

Doesn't Matthew McConaughey have a brother who's also an actor?

SPEAKER_05 41:02

Well, that's the thing. Uh, people think that he might actually be related to Woody Harrelson because Matthew McConaughey's mom had a fling with Woody Harrelson's dad.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 41:15

So, or something like that. And everybody thinks they're uh they might be half siblings, but I don't think they ever proved that. I don't think they've done the blood test.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

That reminds me of uh Bill was it what the fuck is that dude's name? So there's was it Billy Corrigan, the the lead singer from Smashing Pumpkins?

SPEAKER_05 41:36

Billy Corrigan.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Apparently he's half-brothers with uh a comedian uh Bill Barr. And when you see them next to each other, you're gonna- Bill Burr? Bill Burr, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:49

He's such a pig.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

He's fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 41:53

He is, but he's such a up until his kids were born, he was a massive pig about women. I I I I'm telling you, what is super funny is uh my partner and I were watching something, and I'm like, I'm I'm not gonna watch this because he had a thing against fat people and he was fat for a long time, and then the way he would talk about women, but anyways, so Bill Bilburr.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

So apparently they're half-brothers.

SPEAKER_05 42:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

A time to kill, a time to kill, which is quite appropriate, quite an appropriate name.

SPEAKER_05 42:22

Yes. Anyways, so Billy Corrigan, Bill Burr, now that you say the two names, I a hundred percent can see it.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Yeah, and it's like I never would have thought, and then well, once they both became bald, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:35

It's really evident, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Once they're both and when it first got brought up, like majorly, uh-huh, it really pissed Bill Burr off because his dad was married at the time that Billy came along came along, and yeah, and then it was also the kind of situation where basically somebody had f invited both of them on uh their show at the same time to intentionally probably yeah, and didn't it I I think they tell told Billy Corrigan, but didn't it tell Bill Burr. Oh, and so yeah, he was fucking pissed for a long time about it.

SPEAKER_05 43:14

But anyway, yeah, it's it it's just it's kind of interesting when we start looking at all the the way entertainment is. I mean, I understand 10 to you could be right, 10 to 25 percent, you could be right.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 43:25

I I think it's much more than that because I look at uh you know the Charlie Sheen's and uh and and Emilio Estevez's with their precursor parents, you know.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Yeah, entire families of fucking actors, yeah, like the Baldwins and you've got the Baldwins.

SPEAKER_05 43:41

I mean, you know, either they're in acting or you know, their their kids are marrying pop stars or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

Which I mean, hey, if they're happy kind of makes sense. Famous people know kind of how to deal with famous people and being famous, yeah. And then you'll be introduced to them to.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Yeah, especially the bald ones. They're they're like they've been they've been in acting for so long that I mean anybody anybody in their family motherfucker. Wow, let's not talk about that rusty ass shit. I don't think it was on purpose. I don't think he did anything on purpose. I think his I don't think so either. I think his armorer was high as fuck and he had a responsibility to double check. No, I'm saying Baldwin had a responsibility to double check because how do you not? It smells. How do you not know when people are smoking weed?

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Yeah, well, first of all, they shouldn't have been putting live rounds through the gun to begin with. No. So that's on the armorer.

SPEAKER_05 44:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

Um, but also when you're the one handling the gun, you need to fucking check it. Yes. You need to follow the fucking four very basic rules of fucking gun safety. Yes. Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

It's anyways, uh, you know, but I I think it's a higher percent.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

I'll try to do some research eventually and see because especially once you get beyond just actors and actresses.

SPEAKER_05 45:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

Um, I'm sure it is a much higher percentage.

SPEAKER_05 45:09

You have a lot of the kids that are like like Rob Schneider's kid. He's got one who's a singer and she does pretty well. I'm not personally into her music.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:20

Uh, you know, but to each their own. Yeah, to each their own. Like, I don't like like Chapel Roan, I like a little bit of it, but I don't like much of it. But I have friends who are just like, oh my god, she's the bomb squad. And I'm just like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Not just the bomb, the entire squad.

SPEAKER_05 45:36

Yeah, but then you also have like uh, you know, you have uh like kids out there that their parents are celebrities, and you know, they've managed to kind of do things that are not in the same wheelhouse, like uh like Ben Affleck and uh Jennifer Garner's oldest kid. She's like an environmentalist or whatever, and she doesn't use her name in that capacity. She's done her studies, she does her protests, she does all that. So, you know, but it's like I I am ex, I am excited to see what the next generation of actors, entertainers all bring. Yeah, and it it would be kind of interesting to know are we because it used to be if your family was in entertainment, you automatically went into it. Look at Joan Crawford and her adopted daughter, which I just read yesterday because you know, I have a good mother. I have a good mommy, I love mommy. Hi, mommy, hi mommy, I have a really good mommy, and the the the story mommy dearest, when it came out, when the movie came out with Faye Dunaway, uh it it it just shocked me that there would be any parent like that. And then there was an an incident with my I recently found out with a sibling of mine and my father. And I'm just like, this is horrifying.

Bill & Billy

SPEAKER_05 47:00

But then I just found out just kind of because there's somebody we know who looks like the actress who played Christina Crawford in the movie Mommy Dearest. Okay, Mama D's one of her great-grands. Oh, okay, with the little the little blue boy and the really blonde hair.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 47:19

So so I it was just like, oh, what's what was this actress's name? And and then I read that apparently like 90% of people who knew the whole situation with Joan Crawford and her daughter were like, none of that's true. And even like the CBS executive said, uh, when Christina Crawford was on this show, uh she they approached Joan Crawford about taking over her role to say, and the only way Joan Crawford was going to do it because she didn't want to steal the limelight from her daughter, was if it would save her daughter's position on the show, because they were just like, What? She's like, I'll do it for you, but you have to save her position. You can't replace it with any other actor because her daughter went through a big health thing when she was on some soap opera or whatever. And it made her mad because the viewers really liked Joan Crawford better. I don't know, but but apparently it was mostly fake. She faked most of it just for attention. Yeah. And I can't, I cannot imagine. I cannot imagine for the life of me accusing my parents of the things. Have you seen Mommy Dearest? No, I've not. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

No wirehackers.

SPEAKER_05 48:25

She beat that child. She beat that.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

I heard about that part, but yeah, I've never seen it.

SPEAKER_05 48:31

But her daughter, according to the movie, and I mean, if her daughter wrote the story, her daughter was also kind of a whoer uh at at school. So I mean at boarding school. I don't know. Anyways. So it'll be kind of interesting to see what the next generation of of actors entertainers do, because I just see trickle-down entertainment.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Honestly, it's trickled down entertainment and it's like uh that actually makes me think of Hank Williams. Because I was actually talking to a friend about Hank Williams recently. Um, and Hank Williams Jr. and Hank Williams the Third.

SPEAKER_05 49:06

And then Shooter Jennings.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

And how like Junior and the Third, most of their popularity came from their grandfather or their father.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

Um, and how Hank Williams the Third has his own, he's not into country music. Yeah. So he has a heavy metal blank, heavy metal band called H3, but that band doesn't actually make that much money. Yeah. And he was forced by the court because he needed to pay child support to actually tour around to old folks' homes because he looks just like Hank Williams and he sounds just like Hank Williams. Yeah. So basically he's going around pretending to be his grandfather and singing his grandfather's music at old folks' homes to make money.

SPEAKER_05 50:00

And that really sucks because you want to be, even if you want to emulate your your parent or your grandparent or your great-grand or what, even if you want to emulate them, yeah, you still want to be yourself.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:11

And that is just like one of the saddest stories ever, because I would hate to, just because I'm very large-chested, like my one grandmother was, I would hate to have to walk around all day in a floral moo moo through a retirement village showing off matatas, which that's just a joke. That's just a joke. She she lived independently till she died. That's just a joke. But you know, I would I would hate to have to. Oh, you've got big a big you're you're very chesty. So you've got to, you can only wear certain clothes, you can only do certain things. I would hate that.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:50

It's like in real life, people who know us, they love us for because I'm fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

Oh my god. Fuck my life.

SPEAKER_05 51:01

Because of our candor, because of our humor, because of our empathy. When you we're like a superhuman when you put us together because you've got intellectual balance. I'm smart, but not brainiac like you. Like I said, I have somebody I work with that I actually think if we put you two down on an intellectual text test, she'd kick your ass.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 51:21

You know, which it is impossible for me to say. It's one of those things I never thought I would say in my lifetime. But hands down, I would choose you every lifetime to be my best friend because you know, you get me.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Yeah. I told you before, uh, I'm sure several of my friends are smarter than me.

SPEAKER_05 51:40

Um, I don't know. I definitely know one of them that's not.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

But well, I definitely know one of them that absolutely is.

SPEAKER_05 51:48

Well, that's cool. Yeah. It's I I like having, I don't like Marlon is definitely way smarter than me. Yeah, the way you talk about him. It's like you could put a blindfold on him and gouge his eyes out, and he would still be able to do everything times 10. It's it's scary. Yeah. But you know, for me, I can't imagine having wanting to like honor your mother, your father, or you know, it's whatever you were exposed to as a kid, and be like, this is just what we do. We go out and we pretend to be other people to make other people happy and entertained, and it's not all self-centered, self-serving.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:24

You know, uh, yeah, 80, 80% of it sure is. They're self-centered, self-serving. You know, and their parents are like, you better go out and get a job because I ain't paying for your shit. You know, like it's it's insane. Like uh Cher recently has petitioned the courts to be in control of her son's uh disbursement he gets from his dad, you know, his his trust fund or whatever, because he's got such drug problems. Uh and he's just and the son's just like, she's just suing for my money because you know, she wants to be relevant. I'm like, oh my, I can't imagine having that. She just wants to be in the news, she wants to make herself relevant again because she she goes.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

I'm sure she made way more money than her husband did.

SPEAKER_05 53:07

Well, she was only married to Greg Allman for a few years, she wasn't married to him for that.

SPEAKER_01 53:11

Oh, I was thinking it was Sonny.

SPEAKER_05 53:13

Oh, yes. Her and she made way more money than Sonny because she's done the movie deals, she did more of that. But you know, you know, but what I'm saying is I'm sure we have a great percentage of people who are neppo babies, right? And it's it's just trickle-down entertainment, and it would be interesting to see how many of them actually are just like, fuck it, I'm here for the paycheck. And the other ones are like, I remember growing up being on set, like Emilia Westafest has said, uh, being on set with my dad and just seeing, and then going to these movie careers and seeing how how my dad touched all these people and brought this emotional reaction. And and I think that that that seriously is an interesting, it would be an interesting study to do.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:58

Who's there for the paycheck and who's there for the entertainment?

SPEAKER_01 54:03

That actually makes me think of um, so there's a game that came out relatively recently called Mixtape. Okay. And there's a whole bunch of people in the gaming community that are riled up about it. Um and I watched a video about the um the person behind it, the main person.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Um, and basically she is the daughter of I can't remember the dude's name. The dude who created the company Oracle.

SPEAKER_04 54:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Um, so he's like, I don't know, the second and third richest person in the world.

SPEAKER_04 54:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

Um, so a hundreds of billions of dollars person. And his son is the person who bought Paramount and uh a bunch of other big movie companies recently.

SPEAKER_05 54:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:57

And anyway, um, she has basically more or less failed at everything.

SPEAKER_05 55:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

And the father is basically just giving her money to fucking do stuff.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

Um, and so she she started a movie company. It made about six or seven movies, I want to say. Okay. All of which were critical and monetary failures. Ooh. Um, and basically her dad just kept giving her money to fucking do stuff. And so then she I don't remember if she bought or she started a video game company, and it made several comp several games that were failures also. Oh, jeez. Um, and then mixed tape, basically, all the people who were involved in the company other than her basically left. All the people who actually made the games.

SPEAKER_05 55:50

What type of video game is mixed tape?

SPEAKER_01 55:53

Um if you ask some people, it's not a game at all. Okay. It's called Some people are referring to it as a walking simulator. Because you don't more or less you don't really play the game. It just makes it so that you're watching a video and you might push a button or two occasionally. But basically you can't fail at the fucking game, essentially.

SPEAKER_05 56:16

Um and so they took the idea that was in um free guy and put it with a life simulator idea and went, fuck it, watch me, watch me.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

Yeah. And it's about being a teenager in the 90s, is what the thing is what the game is about. Um and it's about basically this girl who she is graduating high school, I want to say, and about to go to college, and this is like her last summer or whatever with her friends. Um and so it's about her and her two friends living life in the 90s. And it's got a bunch of 90s music and stuff like that that plays through it. Um about the most interesting thing about the whole game is the music? Is there is actually the music and the fact that they got licensed by all these fucking people.

SPEAKER_05 57:08

Well, Daddy was Daddy Oracle was just like, here, honey, you're you're awesome. Here, honey, you're awesome. Like rewarding mediocrity is making our society fail.

SPEAKER_01 57:21

So that is the one like big nepo nonsense thing that I can think of right now. I'm I'm sure if I think in well, George W. Bush is another nepo nonsense. Um he's the he's the second biggest one that I can think of. Um most of the other people that I think of when I'm like, okay, unless they're like anecdotal stories like from Chuck or whatever, I can't think of I've not been in a situation where I've been dealing with somebody who their position

Hank, Hank & Hank

SPEAKER_01 58:00

is entirely because their daddy owns the business or something like that. Yeah um, and not they legitimately have a good reason to be there.

SPEAKER_05 58:10

Yeah. Um well, you know, and even even like Chuck, even though he was the boss's, the big boss's son, you know, she she gave him options, but there were a couple of times where she was also just like, you better straighten this nonsense out, yeah, so we can move forward, or I've gotta, because trust me, we had a couple of conversations about it. Yeah. And so I don't see that I see maybe as the getting the foot in the door as Nepo, because they also did their time as a clerk working in the warehouse. Like he did everything, he didn't just get to the oh, come in and run the place. It wasn't like that. Yeah. And you know, but you you know, there's definitely examples of nepotism where you've seen actors and you're just like, oh my god, this is horrible. And then you've seen other actors, like one actor I can think of uh in particular, um, and this is not a bad thing, this is a good thing, is Jack Quaid. He's the son of Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan. Okay, and I had no idea who he was, but in the Hunger Games, he's he plays the character Marvel in the Hunger Games. He's the character who goes through and kills the little black girl.

SPEAKER_01 59:23

Is he a captain?

SPEAKER_05 59:24

No. But he's the guy who kills Rue. He's the guy who kills the little black girl.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

So he's the huge douchebag.

SPEAKER_05 59:32

He's the huge douchebag. And I thought, man, when I remember seeing this, and I remember seeing this guy, and I was just like, who is this asshole? Because he plays asshole way too good. And then I forgot about it for a while. And then within the last two years of re-watching the Hunger Games, I'm like, I'd seen a blurb online, right? And it was just like Jack Quaid getting his first major starring role, and I'm like, where do I know that name? And I looked it up and I was just like, oh, he was Marvel from Hunger Games. I hope he's not a douchebag again. But that's when I found out that he was Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan's kid. And I was just like, whoa, talk about keeping things low-key. Because people didn't, he doesn't look like his dad, and he doesn't look like if you put him next to his dad, you can be like, oh, I can totally see how you're his son. Put him next to his mom, I can totally see how you're his her daughter, her son. You can you can see it both ways. But when you just look at him without his parents around, you're just like, oh, he looks kind of like every other actor out there. Yeah. You know, decent looking. I mean, I'm not gonna say, oh, he's hot. That's just gross to me. But you know, decent looking, tall, he didn't flub his lines. Yeah, you know, but it's I don't know, it's interesting. We'll we'll see. I'll see if I can't do a little bit of research because I know that uh Jamie Lee Curtis had recently in the last year or so done an article talking about nepotism, and she just

Until Next Time!

SPEAKER_05 1:01:00

kind of laughs about it. And she's just like, most people in the entertainment industry are some form of nepotism or another.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:07

You know, I mean, like, she's like, look at who my parents are. She goes, I still she goes, you know, it wasn't as easy for me because yeah, I got some roles based on that, but then I had to fight for it because people were just like, playing a scream queen is completely different than playing Helen the Housewife, who has to turn into the lusty, seductive, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's a like she was in a fish called Wanda, which was hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

And so I've never seen that movie. I know it's sacrilege.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:35

She plays a prostitute in more than one movie. So it's kind of it's kind of interesting because even though she got her foot in the door, she still had to prove herself.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:44

And I just I I mean, I I think one of her most ongoing reoccurring roles has been as Lori from the Halloween series. You know, but she's more than that. But she was laughing, she was just like, she's like at least half of Hollywood is Nepo babies. It's just like, you know, it's you're you're used to the criticism, your parents, you know, your name might get you in the door, but at some point you have to prove yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:08

Because I think I can't remember if it was her or it was either her, Merrill Meryl Streep, or one of the other uppers, like their daughters, was an epic failure at first because they just walked in being like, Oh, I'm so-and-so's daughter, and I'm gonna do this. And then they had to reprove themselves. You know who my mom is? Yeah, you want to talk to my mommy? I'm gonna call my mommy. My husband is the colonel.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

Suck a dick, bitch. You're not the colonel. Fuck off.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:32

Like, do your knees work just like everybody else's, anyways. I don't know. It'll be interesting to see. Um, and then I'm gonna continue my research on John Cusack because we both like John Cusack.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:42

He's awesome. He is and he seems to be a fucking real decent human being, too.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:48

He he does, I mean, he's not Keanu decent.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

Yeah, but he's Nobody's Keanu decent.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:54

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I still want to know yeah, maybe baby Jesus. Honestly, I do kind of still want to know why John Cusack and Nev Campbell broke up. You know, like I mean, how do you let a how do you let a girl that hot go? But I think it's probably most likely because you know, after her and John Cusack broke up, she went on to get married and have kids. And I don't think Cusack's ever wanted kids. I don't, I think it's too much, too much. I want my two dollars. Anyways, um, I hope everybody has a great day.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:28

Yep. Later.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:30

Bye.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:35

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