A Twisted Theroy

 Jen stumbles upon a Popular Science article that freaks her out: Russian/Soviet biologist Ilya Ivanov (1870–1932) who tried to create a human-chimpanzee crossbreed using artificial insemination. This is the story of twisted science, ethical nightmares, and the "humanzee."

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Transcript

Welcome

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Welcome to Everyday Life. Thank you for joining our podcast, Conversations Over Coffee. My name is Jen. And I'm Dagda. And we're gonna hit you with the explicit content warning right off the bat. This podcast does include adult situations and adult language from time to time.

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I'm an angel. I never fucking cuss.

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Okay. Anyways, you ready to go?

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Oh yeah.

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Alright, let's go. Hit the button.

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I did hit the button. Smack, smack. Now what?

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How are you doing today?

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I'm doing alright. How you doing?

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I I think I'm actually doing better than you, which is like an unusual thing. Uh, but you know, I didn't inhale copious amounts of sugar today either. But we shan't talk about that.

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I just had that one um Reese's PC's cup.

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Yeah, but that's more sugar than everything I've eaten today, according to the sugar count. Just that one Reese cup. Like Jesus. It was it was super funny to watch your eyes go super wide, like you were watching a train come directly at you and you couldn't move.

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You were just like, oh, it did have a buttload of extra sugar in there.

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Right. So, um, dude, this last

Ilya Ivanov

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week I saw an article. You know, like when you start up your computer and it's like basically it's not your home page when you turn on your internet, is it? Like where it's got like today's happenings or whatever.

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Yeah, I don't know what you would refer to it as.

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So that page had a notation on there that popular science digs into this historical thing. And I clicked on it and I started reading it, and it started freaking me out. But you know, I can't leave it alone at that. So I go to Wikipedia and look it up. Okay, and it freaked me out because it was just like I really thought, I really thought it was something that was confined to certain groups of people during World War II. No, no, oh no, much before. So popular science, the the magazine, however you want to say it, uh, so they just did an article because they do lots of historical things, which is really fun to me. So there was a Rud R uh, a Russian slash Soviet Soviet biologist, a Russian Soviet biologist. Okay, and his name was Ilyon Ivanov. Ivanov.

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Ivanov.

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Ivanov. He lived from 1870 to 19, 1932. Oh wow. He ended up in 1907, he became a professor at Karkovov, Karkovov University. He was a reach a researcher in the Oskania Mira Natural Reserve, and he was the head of the State Experimental Veterinary Institute from 1917 to 1921, and then again from 1924 to 1930.

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Okay.

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He did he was worked at the the Central Experiment Station for researching reproduction of domestic animals.

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Okay.

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He was the Moscow Higher Zoo Technician Institute at the uh Higher Zoo Technician Institute from 1928 to 1930. He was a professor there basically as well.

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Okay.

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So here's the cool thing. Here's one of the really cool things this guy did. If not the only cool thing this guy did.

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Okay.

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One of maybe three or four. Anyways, he perfected artificial insemination and the practical uses in horse breeding. He proved his acnology that by using artificial insemination, you could use one stallion to impregnate 500 mares in a season versus doing it the quote natural way would result in 20 to 30 mares giving birth to horses.

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Yeah.

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Or, you know, giving birth to that I should hope they'd be horses. That's crazy. So on the one hand, this is the precursor to and I'll explain why. This is a precursor to human artificial insemination. Because there are similar there are similarities and some differences. And um yeah, so, anyways, I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool. But then I read further. If I would have stopped there, I probably wouldn't be WTFing my brain out, going, wait, what? I literally was here in the office reading this, and I'm like, what is happening? This man got a bug up his ass and began experimentations to create a human chimpanzee crossbreed. And everybody, yeah, and everybody's like, wait, what? So when I tell you, this is nuts, in 1910, he did a presentation to the World Congress of Zoolists describing the possibility of the hybridization of the two species species, humans and chimpanzees, using artificial insemination.

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They were like, we don't think so. That actually was not just ethical, but logistical issues.

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Because first of all, um what's the first biggest logistical barrier we have? Do you know?

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So the first biggest logistical issue is actually getting that to happen in the first place. But um so this sort of issue happens with animals when they're trying to crossbreed like large dogs with small dogs or certain types of cattle with other types of cattle. Um it will if you do it in the wrong order, it will kill the um mother. Um so you have to breed the it has to be the small male with the large female, which in this case would be mean that you would have to impregnate a human female with chimpanzees.

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Well, that's not where he started. He started the other way around.

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Yeah, like I'm saying, that's a logistical nightmare. It'll fucking kill the the mother.

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So, okay, so we know modern science. We know

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in modern science we know these things. Now we go back 130 years.

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That's a logical fucking outcome because a human child is bigger than a fucking chimpanzee child.

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Here's the thing, though.

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A baby rather.

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So here's the thing. It we didn't know such things back then because you would have random crossbreeding, and there was a lot of animals that would die in childbirth all the time. So we didn't know why this was happening way back then. Way back then, what they figured out is the number one reason it won't work is because we don't chromosomally match. Humans have 46 chromosomes, apes have 48. Yeah, and so there was this one, and he's worthy of doing research on, and his name was Grover. And he was a he was a circus act, and he had a very uncanny resemblance to humans, which you can look him up. Oh, yeah, I've seen so but he was said to have had 47 chromosomes, which after testing he did not, you know, but I freaked out a little bit.

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I mean, interspecies breeding is almost never gonna fucking work. Sometimes it does. Yeah. Um, like with lions and tigers, you can get them to breed. Um, although I don't know if the offspring are um some some animals you can get them to breed, but their offspring are sterile. Yeah, so I don't know if that's true of the ligers and and taigons, which is the hybrids of the lions and tigers.

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Yeah, I don't remember, but I know that I think one, I think the females might be sterile, but I don't remember. But what's interesting is so he he hypothesized this would all work, right? Well, of course it's gonna be artificial nation, we can make it happen. Obviously, what they figure out is first of all, it doesn't chromosomely match. And second of all, he did finally figure out so in 19 in the 1920s, he carried out a series of experiments in an attempt to create a human, non-human hybrid in Africa. It was specifically, it was done in what we know now is is the Guinea that's been an independent nation since 1958, because it was French in it was French Guinea where he did these experimentations in West Africa, which was under French possession.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So that's why he could go and do all these, right?

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And there's some of them that still are, but that's another story for another time.

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Yes. So he had three female chimpanzees that he inseminated with human sperm repeatedly, but no pregnancies resulted.

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Okay.

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So human sperm is not strong enough to penetrate the cellular walls of female chimpanzee. Eggs. Eggs. Yes. Okay, right, okay. So you're with me why I'm freaking out so far. Like, what WTF, honestly, right? So then in 1929, he gets exacerbated and he arranges to he he attempted to arrange a set of experiments involving non-human ape sperm and human volunteers. Now, do you know why that would have been delayed?

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Uh I mean, how many women would want to be inseminated with a lot.

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They were offering a lot of money back then. It was very hard economic times. There was like a lot of people who would have wanted to do it.

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So I okay, I that that would be wait, you said 1928. 1929. Okay, yeah, that's around the Great Depression. Great depression time period.

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So so the reason why it got delayed is because the death of his last orangutan. So, first of all, right, we've already got this guy trying to crossbreed with chimpanzees. Then he switches to orangutans, and I'm just like, hold on. It's bad enough that I think gingers are kind of superhuman, anyways. Now you got this guy trying to make a half-ranga baby, half rang a half-apee baby. No, just no. Anyways, so in the spring of 1930, after everybody found out what he was really up to, so obviously it's not like we have the internet or or or phones or you know, texting back then, be like, yo, Ilian just did something with a chimpanzee, you do not want to know about right. So we didn't have any of those advances.

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So you should watch it. Anyway.

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Well, let me just say, I'm pretty sure sniff it. I'm pretty sure he was using his own semen to try to inseminate the chimpanzees. And I'm not sure he was trying to do it. Anyways, moving on. So in spring of 1930, he came under political scrutiny um for what he'd been doing. And in December of 1930, he was arrested and sentenced to five years in exile at Alma Ada uh prison, where he died of a stroke in 1932. While he was in Alma Ada, he was doing the zoology tests and all that there too. He was obsessed with hybridization.

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Okay.

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He is actually the zoologist, the veterinarian, what do you want to call him? The zoologist who created the zebra and donkey, also known as the Zidonk. He's the one who created that.

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Okay.

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He is also the one. We kind of spoke briefly on our other podcast, and I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. About the bisons in England.

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So the European bison.

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The European bison. So they were on a massive decline. They weren't breeding. So he is the one who put a cow and bison together to get what is now the modern bison to save the bison herd. Because you you were saying that you had read about it or or heard about it.

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Yeah, I watched a video about how they were recently they were reintroducing bison to England.

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Yeah.

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Because they had been wiped out there like 3,000 years ago.

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Yeah, true bisons, yeah.

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Yeah. Um, and their their bison, the European bison, are forest bison, not like ours, so they're smaller. Um, and basically, I mean, especially in places like England, there's virtually no large animals left.

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Yeah.

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So like they barely have any deer or anything if they have any at all.

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Yeah.

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And one of the things that they're finding is reintroducing animals like a bison into a forest helps the forest to maintain itself better.

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Yes.

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Um, same thing with like bison in a um in a nature reserve grass land area. It helps to maintain the the balance of the of the of the land better.

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Yeah.

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Um and also things like cattle will uh also um improve the the the um the land. Um so anyway, they were having problems with their forests because they were basically having to go in manually and have a bunch of people go in and do a bunch of the kind of stuff that would happen naturally from large animals moving through it.

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Yeah.

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Um, and as a result, some of their forests were dying off because there wasn't property.

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Yeah, because it just the roots will just choke each other out if you're not if you're not in there pro thinning it out. Yeah. You know, like everybody says like heard that terminology, thinning the herd, you need to do the same thing in forest. In in your forest lands and in some of your grasslands, because otherwise your invasive species will get in there. Like, um, the last thing you want is 500 acres of thistle. It's very painful. It's not, it's it's it's a it's it's a literal pain in the ass to fix. So so it's so crazy, but yeah, so he's the one who who put a cow and bison together. Now, the loose term for it, that hybridization, is a cattle. A catalow. Yes. Okay. But the recognized term and the accepted term, which I love this word. Beefalo. It is a befalo. Yeah. I think that is so fantastic. So he actually helped with that because there was a well, there was a rancher who his herd was dying out. You know, it was getting attacked and everything. And so Ilion Ilion went, you know, I think we can figure this out. So the the cattleman saw Ilion's experimentation, and so he got people together and he started using the artificial insemination to reboost the bison herd because he saw how it was being used with the cattle and the bison. But it's still, you know, it's they still did end up doing crossbreeding.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I mean, so that's I mean, it's so so Ilion, great, you know, artificial insemination is a great thing, but theorizing humans and chimpanzees, and you do you know what the name of that would be? I don't know. Humansee. Who humansey instead of chimpanzees, it's a humansey.

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Um, and that should have tried bonobos. They're the other species that is the closest to humans. Humans and chimpanzees are like 3% variation between the two of them.

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Well, well, here's the thing. So in the 1980s, humansey became an accepted and used term because in the 1980s, somebody theorized that there still could be crossbreeding that would be good. And so some jackass figured out, and can you imagine we're we're going from 1929 to like I think it's like 1987 range?

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Okay.

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Somebody has a successful fertilization of a gibbons egg with human sperm, it successfully fertilizes and the embryo begins to grow.

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So they were doing like in vitro fertilization instead of yes, okay.

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I mean, I don't know if it was in vitro, I it might have been in vitro, but they said artificially inseminating.

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Yeah.

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So obviously, but they found that that male human sperm actually is strong enough to penetrate a gibbon's egg. Because the the gibbons are the ones where we're only one chromosome away. Whereas the other, come on, where's the word hominids? The the other great apes are two chromosomes away, and that makes all the difference for breaking through that barrier, apparently. Um, so yeah, so this guy actually, and I did not catch his name because I was so disgusted by it, because I'm just like, I don't want Planet of the Apes to come true. Yeah, I really don't want to because I've been nothing but nice to Ranger for decades now, and it doesn't matter because the greatest populace is not nice to Wrangers, they pick on redheads. I don't want to get grouped when that great populace happens and the apes take over. No, thank you. I mean, although I would like to say Hail Caesar at least once, but, anyways, um, it freaked me out because I was just like, this is nuts, this is nuts. But then I read on.

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Oh, it gets better, huh?

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It gets even better. So the reason he became obsessed with this hybridization and had this theory that humans and apes had already, could already be crossbreeding, and or already had been crossbreeding is because of history. There are stories in histories, and one of them is Saint Peter Damien in the 11th century claimed to have been told a tale of a human woman with an ape that re that created an offspring that lived.

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Okay.

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So here's the thing. I was just like, wait, what? But I read more. Antonio Zucchelli, an Italian Franciscan, Capuchin friar, he was on a missionary, he was on a missionary work in Africa in 1698 to 1702. He had heard and talked about a human woman and an ape mating, and again, creating offspring. And I'm like, you all are freaking nuts.

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Yeah.

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And I'm but I'm just like, uh I think these are like first accounts of interracial babies. Because you're going back to the 11th century and then all the way back to the late 1600s, where interracial happenings were not a well-known thing to foreigners visiting Africa.

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No, no, because the fucking Greeks and the Romans all fucking went over there and fucked a bunch of Africans.

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Did you just say Africans?

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Africans.

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I thought you said Africans. No, I'm like, wow.

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And vice versa.

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For a quadrune, you are fucking racist.

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The Moors were fucking getting white women pregnant all the time, so no.

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Well, the most believable of the history of the beast came from a Sir Edward Koch. I'm sorry, let me let me pronounce it correctly for you. It's not Koch. His proper pronunciation, because he's English, is Cook. Swear to God, look it up yourself.

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Sir Edward Cook wrote about it in the Institute of Laws of England. He was a barrister judge, a politician, and he was considered the greatest jurist in the Elicit Elizabeth Elizabethan and um Jacobean, Jake, Jacobean eras. He was very well-rounded, he was very logical, but he actually wrote about it that it did happen and had witnessed it apparently. And yes, his last name is pronounced Cook because it's spelled Coke, but when you look it up, it's like it's long U, it's not O. And I'm like, oh, so when I'm reading this, I'm like, oh, there's the original cook right there.

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Wow.

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And then even further, in 1977, researcher J. Michael Bedford, he's the one who discovered that you could the human sperm could penetrate the outer membrane on a given egg, but not to other types of primates, only to homin homino H-O-M-I-N-O-I-D-E-A.

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Hominid?

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Hominias. Hominiya. So, but somebody carried out the experimentation to where they let the embryo grow up until the point of it was starting to develop a nervous system.

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Okay. And then they aborted it or whatever.

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And then they terminated the pregnancy. Yeah. But they've repeatedly uh the way the articles read was that it had been repeatedly done uh to prove that, oh yes, you can. And I'm like, dear scientist, this is not a competition. At no at no point, I mean, there are plenty of things that are smarter than me. We don't need one more thing smarter than me.

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I mean, chances are it want to be smarter than the average person.

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Have you seen the Umbrella Academy?

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I've seen the Umbrella Academy, yes.

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You've watched the Umbrella Academy series?

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The first couple of seasons.

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There you go. They're smart.

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I just

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feel bad for the the uh chimpanzee i think his name was grover yeah he's either glover or grover um and he died in 2012 and he just he was just he was just this circus attraction because of his appearance to look human yeah i don't know i found it very racist because i was just like wouldn't that just be like because you think about it right like you're a species well no logically my brain went to i wonder if they were just seeing interracial babies for the first time because stop because they came from areas where there was not interracial breeding there was not interracial relationships happening in a time where interracial relationship wasn't happening doesn't matter if the Romans the Greeks and the Spaniards had been there and done that you're talking about people who've been lived in a monastery their whole life coming to West Africa they see black they see white they see brown and then they see Harry Mix like they probably saw a Wranger like you Jesus I'm just saying I don't know I read that shit and I was just like like I re I remember hearing the stories when I was a kid about them Nazis carrying out them experiments. Yeah and and it so I didn't know it went back before that yeah I mean like on the one hand again super cool discovery artificial semination it it is the basis of what we use now for people who have problems with pregnancy so yay kudos yeah on the other hand you dirty no just no yeah because I am pretty sure he didn't try an artificial inseminate anything okay I don't want to speculate I don't want to speculate but the facts are kind of you know right there I don't know so anyways that just freaked me out because I thought oh my god but here's the point where it's like obviously it freaks a lot of people out because there was a little article talking about people discovering who Ilyon Ivanova Ivanov is and um being concerned about this great possibility and literally some dude went whoa whoa whoa whoa now listen listen here children we know we can do it we're just not gonna you know it ain't really ethical so don't worry about it we'll never have a planet to the apes situation just like you he said they probably wouldn't be that smart anyways and I thought to myself did you already actually grow them up and they come up going gee dad what's going what's going on I mean they would be great in a uh what the fuck was the name of that book it wasn't 1984 it wasn't flowers for algernon uh god damn it it's something similar to like title wise to like great expectation no uh god damn it brave new world okay in brave new world they the government takes over all breeding and what they do is they artificially they have um artificial womb and so they collect the eggs of all women and then they um collect sperm from men and then they generate new humans in a vat basically so they did a few str futuristic caligula without the people actually having fun out of it well they just made a vat of eggs and sperm and said we well no each person is grown in their own little artificial womb and the reason for it is a couple of things number one it eliminates quote unquote fatherless households right because the government is raising the children um it also means that there's no fucking um there's no like uh what is it fucking uh god damn it the fucking shit where you have to pay for your children uh child support yeah there's no child support the government is in control of raising children but what they do is they intentionally mess with the with the embryos well then they're not to the that wasn't even an idea at that point oh wow when this book was written um so basically but we did know that alcohol and other drugs can fuck up your babies yeah so what they would do is they would intentionally take a certain amount of the children or the embryos and expose them to alcohol to make them less intelligent that's evil specifically to make a lower working class and so they would do it to different degrees and then they would um basically optimize for intelligence yeah so basically they were creating their own cast system by how they fucking basically um gestated the the babies that's that's insane like I don't know if I would ever read that book because let me tell you something I know a lot of people who are working class people who are really smart yeah the thing is the the one of the sort of ideas is that the less intelligent people are more willing to do jobs that are more menial right and so they would take like janitors for instance those people would be uh the meth babies basically um and so on and so forth and like garbage men all the the least fucking desirable jobs jobs would be given to the least intelligent people basically I know three people who did those jobs who are extremely intelligent yeah I mean like who wrote that book they should be they should be book bashed upside their head anyway it's not saying that just because you're smart you are unwilling to do a brain dead job it's just saying that the less intelligent you are the more willing you're you are to do those types of jobs the more you're gonna be manipulated into doing those types of jobs you don't need to be manipulated it is just oh here's a fucking mop go mop and they do it right I guess I don't it freaked me out knowing how far this thing went what y like I mean the man only lived 50 62 years 52 years whatever that he dedicated all but 20 years to you know 18 years of his life he graduated early he's like super smart yeah he's not a polymath like Natalie Portman but what you want Natalie to drink and fight what you doing Natalie fuck all night I am so sorry you know she's having her she just announced she's pregnant at 44 years old okay how many kids has she had she already had two this will be her third one okay apparently it came as a surprise to her came as a surprise alright well okay like look I love me some Natalie Portman yeah I like Natalie but I I just found the way they wrote the article was like so double entra it came as quite

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a surprise to Natalie Portman to find out she was pregnant at 44 years old and I'm like I mean she was like what it what was the quote like she was like oh I was just so shocked like what having unprotected sex what did you think was gonna happen yeah it's like that's not that uncommon I don't I mean it's not like it's Janet Jackson having a baby at 53 I mean come on that's a surprise right I'm telling you but anyways I read that article and I had a really hard time not calling you at two o'clock in the morning being like Bub listen to this this is nuts because you probably would have kicked my ass yeah if I woke you up but I thought I mean obviously you see everything oh I wrote all these little details down because I was like wait what wait what because I wanted to be able to go back and be like oh uh uh this is wrong it's not if it meant the survival of both species I guess we'd have to accept I guess we'd have to accept it I mean it would be cool to have whatever um so chimpanzees are stronger than humans in the same weight category right I think they're like three times as strong as a human um per pound to pound yeah so it would be cool to have the increased strength but I don't know like I don't know what the mechanism of that is I mean I don't either and I really don't know if I need to be so strong I could literally rip somebody's face off with one swipe my hand I mean yeah I don't know I'm I'm sure there are people out there that could do that although those people would tend to be fairly obvious that you're freaking me out a little bit with this this this smile of imagination on your face ripping somebody's face off with one swipe that would be great like a little kitty blade with a ball of yarn you get a little too much j like you are grinning ear from ear ear to ear thinking about being able to rip somebody's face off with one finger or two what are you gonna do when you find him I'm gonna take his face off you're fucked up I love it yeah like you know and and what you know what's really since we're talking about it what's really crazy about that is people have had face transplants yeah since that movie. I mean that movie's like 30 something years old I think now because I think it came out and got like 90 90 95 range right somewhere around there yeah I'm pretty sure it came out while I was still in the army yeah uh I loved the idea of the movie because I was just like oh that's wicked that's totally wicked like you could you could go rob a bank and then swap faces with somebody and they could go do the jail time for that's great. I don't think that way anymore now I'm just like please don't swap faces because then I would automatically think that you're not who you are and then go away go away I I don't know I'm I'm just no but it was a good movie though yeah I'm gonna take his face off super great and they couldn't have asked for two better actors to do it because John Travolta when he acts smarmy is fantastic. Yeah he's great at being a dick he really is have you seen him in the general's daughter no oh my god I hate that movie because it's all about somebody being essay'd uh I mean I don't know I didn't care for him in pulp fiction okay but I didn't care for pulp fiction either I cried a lot in pulp fiction a lot you know why me and Mr. soon to be living his short ass life and agonizing pain rapist here exactly anyways so yeah not that it made me think of you but it like I was just like oh I I followed up on something in popular science which I'm sure is one of your favorite periodicals yeah look that up kids what's a periodical what I used to read a lot of uh popular science and uh popular mechanics when I was in middle school I would read it in the bathroom at work at our whole job oh yeah we had a bunch in there too yeah yeah I mean and some of it's really fascinating in in school though I being a Washingtonian girl born and bred in Washington not you second comer I I loved National Geographic a little bit better than all of them you like seeing them floppy tits no because I liked seeing all the different plants and all the rainforests and all the big African penises all over the world penises all over the world wow no I just thought about the gourds hide the gourds they had all these cool pictures of like different cacti and different plants and plant like there's like in the rainforest there's stuff that lives there that we we'll never have here we yeah we can't we don't have an atmosphere or not an atmosphere boom an environment to sustain it I'm sorry I'm still I'm freaking out about the thought that some jackass thought it was a good idea that listen just because you can do it doesn't mean you should do it yeah you don't that's just we need to breed some of them bonobos oh yeah I mean if you're gonna cross these like how about bison with what's the big one with a woolly mammoth how about you breed those I bet it would I bet it would taste delicious I love bison meat it's delicious I'm sorry the bison has to pass away for me to have have you had but have you had bison brats yet?

SPEAKER_05 36:01

Not bison brats no oh I'm not having bison brother they I do believe that they've recovered some DNA from mammoths. Yes and they are trying to fucking basically recreate them using obviously elephants.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Yeah I mean some recreations are really cool like uh you know the dire wolves yeah you know but as long as they leave it at those three and and no more. Yeah I mean I don't want to wake up one morning and have a six foot across at the shoulder wolf standing at the door going hey bitch give me some of that bison I don't want it I think they would die out fairly quickly. Yeah I don't think they really get that big I think they're like their stature is more like three three and a half feet. Yeah I don't know you know but I saw pictures when they were young pups their feet were huge you know they're a little bit bigger than gray wolves which are the biggest wolves so

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SPEAKER_02 37:00

I don't know I'm just you know I'm just not that into crossbreeding not between animals or at least species at least species I mean I mean the zonk the the Zadonk I always called them a zonky so I'm surprised that their actual name is Zadonk.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

Yeah I've always called them zonkies uh I think zonkies are cool laggers are cool tygons are cool I I think they all look cool but there is that theory that once you do that crossbreeding you're not upping the intelligence yeah yeah who knows because of barriers I don't know all I know is that thanks for helping people who couldn't get pregnant get pregnant but shame on you for messing with chimpanzees like that no wonder they're always trying to rape you rip human faces off wow I don't have much good speech today yeah anyways I was impressed but I didn't call you at two o'clock in the morning like I said to be like oh my god look at this article this guy was a total psycho you guys have a great day and oh wait wait wait wait wait so South America has been listening in right so I'm going to give a shout out to my three favorite South Americans that I met when I did moving and storage and that's Sedio Josue and Miguel I miss you guys have a great day guys later bye look okay everybody that's all the time we have for today I want to thank you for stopping by to enjoy the conversation uh we're glad you're here and please share and share again and share some more and if you haven't already subscribe we'll be having another chat and another cup soon we'll talk to you then look forward to seeing you