Pirates, Nazis, and Billion-Dollar Shipwrecks

From sunken empires to stolen royal chambers, we’re diving into the greatest lost treasures in human history. In this episode, we uncover the mystery of the Amber Room, the legendary chamber of gold and amber that vanished during World War II; the pirate fortunes tied to Charles Vane and the wrecked Spanish treasure fleets; and the Fleur de la Mar, the shipwreck said to hold billions in lost gold, jewels, and artifacts beneath the ocean floor.

Were these treasures really lost… or hidden? 

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Six tons of amber. Six tons of amber. A lot of amber. So the eighth wonder of the world is lost. It could be somewhere where Hitler would only know about and Hitler's debt.

SPEAKER_04 0:10

87,500 pounds worth of gold. Because that's only a fraction of what the original or if that works.

SPEAKER_03 0:19

Everything that they had taken from that conquering of Malacca, which is now Malaysia, all the treasures and thunder and it was on the Fort Omar, and it was on its way back, and I didn't learn their lesson and went to the same town. And welcome to the Iron Fire, where we discussed mysterious myths, legends of legacy, and fantastic, fantasmal encounters. Thank you for staying with us today. Let's dominate the death. Today we are going to be talking about treasures lost at sea. Primarily gold. So it could be either pirate treasure or stolen treasure or just treasure that was unfortunately lost. Unfathomable amounts of gold. Well, today we're going to be talking about the amber room. Jacob, you know what the amber room is? Yes. Okay, so there was a whole room decorated dining room area full of amber. And it wasn't like it was stacked in a pile or anything like that. It was like all art all the way around. Baltic amber. Um, and in this room, this huge dining room that was full of um figures, mirrors, all types of stuff. It didn't just go to the up the walls, it was all the way across the ceiling. There was over um six tons of it, I believe. Six tons of amber? Six tons of amber. A lot of amber. Glowing orange and honey and gold tones, all that kind of stuff. Um the estimated value was like hundreds of millions of dollars today. This room was technically called the eighth wonder of the world that was lost. Um and around that so go ahead. So where was it? So this was in uh Persia, is when this uh room was created um by and it was designed by a guy named And I'm gonna butcher the name. Andre Schluter. Andre Schluter. Could be that one. Andre Schluter. Um he built he built it, um, but he was a craftsman in the in the Baltic region. Um so that that room was gifted to Russia in 1716 by Frederick William I. Um, he gifted the amber room to Peter the Great, and they had set it up in Russia. Sorry. So the amber room was transported to Russia, eventually installed in Catherine Palace. That's how you say it. Catherine the Great. Yeah, and yeah, in the palace, um, near St. Petersburg. Okay. Um St. Petersburg. Yep. So this was like the expansion, the golden age, that kind of stuff. This room expanded um and was redesigned also again in other times when it was there. Um, and there was more stuff that was added to it. So as you saw a lot of change, right? Yeah, it was a lot of change, a lot was being built, so it probably was like a wall, then another wall, another wall, then it was like, let's just do the whole thing. My question is, did they like take the whole walls out to move it?

SPEAKER_04 3:40

Like they just basically rip the building apart and when you're talking about empire level of logistics and everything, they can do whatever they want with the highest class, right? I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I imagine.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

I'm just thinking of like the the construction aspect of it, like for especially on like how buildings were built back then. Well, I mean it's perfect. Back then, since you said Peter and stuff like that, I'm assuming this is the 1920s. Yeah. Well, no, it's well 1716. That's even worse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:18

Well, you gotta think about their building might be made different than Western style buildings. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

Well, I'm I I mean, I'm just thinking of like Eastern Europe building. Yeah. Fair. I'm sure it was because it was such a big building, and it was somebody super important that was getting the building. That building was probably engineered to be really, really well, instead of it just be like a common home. Who knows?

SPEAKER_04 4:44

Because of the value.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Yeah. So the construction of it was probably that's a lot of brick and mortar.

SPEAKER_04 4:50

Yeah, but what if it wasn't brick and mortar? It was amber.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

It was like it was amber.

SPEAKER_04 4:55

It was amber, amber.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

Well, I'm saying I'm saying that the the joists and stilts and everything else weren't made of amber. So like right. But like I said, it was a big building. It was somebody important who was building it, which probably had that somebody important had built had been very precisely used to be. Well, I don't know, placed very well I don't know if you've seen pictures of the amber room, but it's not like sheets of it. It's like little tiny pieces of amber that were um that were individually placed or by or by foot. Oh okay. Piece by piece. So not like carved out. Not like the walls were coated and everybody was like decorum. Amber decorum. Yeah. Here's a picture of it. That's a black screen, my friend. I can't get it to you. Hold on, man. Yeah, there's pictures of it. So I don't know if you guys know if you guys can see this or not, but yeah, I was thinking individual pieces, there's gold, there's honey looking paste and amber and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 5:53

I don't know if yeah, well, I mean fine amber that scale naturally. Nope.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Somebody had it. Like I it was still over time. So it was, it's gone now. I I don't know if the amber room was well, isn't amber derived from sad?

SPEAKER_04 6:10

Yeah. Right? So it wouldn't be a lot of trees. It wouldn't be like giant sheets of natural. No, unless what? Have you found a way?

SPEAKER_03 6:22

No, I'm just saying, unless that uh the the like mountains and maces and stuff were full, well, you know, giant trees and all that, but you not heard about that?

SPEAKER_04 6:36

What what the like ancient giant trees things? The redwood trees?

SPEAKER_03 6:41

No, no, no, not like the redwood trees.

SPEAKER_04 6:42

Like like if you look at certain mountaintops around the world, it looks like they're like devil's what's it what's it called out west?

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Uh the one that that's I mean, it looks like it looks like tree rings, it looks kind of like it looks like a tree trunk, like a petrified tree trunk. Insane. Off topic, but anyway, continue. So as I was saying, so uh when we were talking about it, it's more like piece by piece. I wouldn't say it was all cut the majority of the wall was covered in amber. Like if you're sorry, if you're worried about the engineering purposes or something like that, I'm sure they thought about like, hey, that's too much on this wall, this choice, or whatever, so we can't load-bearing wall.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

It's a lot of loads.

SPEAKER_03 7:27

It's a load-bearing wall. Um, but over that time, like I said, there was an expansion, there was a golden age of all these things. Things were being added to the room. Um, in about 1941, when World War II, um World War II was coming around, and the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, German forces dismantled the end room in a matter of 36 hours. True. And it took 22, I think 22 full crates. So that was like really fast. And then they like bombed the whole thing. Yeah. And like wartime crates, we're we're not talking about like crates that you would think of today as far as like small trunk crates. Like these are like giant, massive, massive crates. Loaded loaded with a crane, or like there's no picking a month by yourself. Yeah. Um you need a crane. Yeah, a hundred percent. So, like along along with that time, there was um there was a lot of things in World War II that was being stolen. Um, it wasn't just the Amberum, there was a lot of other treasures that were being stolen because Hitler didn't want anyone to have them, which is not nice.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

But whatever. Um that does happen a lot in war, though.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

Yeah, you take something that you know no one wants to say, oh, I got this. Yeah. Um, so yeah, it took 36 hours, it was shipped to Coningsburg Castle. Um, and we know that the room was displayed briefly, um, and then it was heavily bombed. Um, and there was a lot of damage to the city in uh 1941, and then in 1945, the amber room finally vanished after being dismantled um 36 hours later. It took 36 hours, they saw it, they're like, hey, we're gonna take this down, we're gonna steal this stuff, and it was out on the crates. Um there's a lot of theories about what happened, but amber, if you don't know, is highly flammable. So really is very well, yeah, it's it's a sap, right? It's a resin, it's almost supposed to be like liquefied into the rain. Yeah, but it is if it gets like heated enough, it's very flammable. And it burns, it burns like pine, sapwood, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I didn't know pine tar. So this treasure that was that was lost in the world was um taken by Hitler, like I was saying. But it could have been in bunkers, it could have been in mines, underground tunnels, all which are the same thing. But they at least did something right by it, and they put most sorry, you're good. They put most of all the treasures in a like a very um what's the word? A very controlled atmospheric space where you know, like they have air conditioning, they like you know, it was very well taken care of. All the treasures were like painting, like there were stuff. Because they wanted to be preserved, yeah. Paintings, just art like handheld artifacts, like everything. They all just wanted to be preserved, um, just to keep it, which is not nice. Nothing. I thought of a joke in my head, but I was like, nothing.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

It was stupid.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Okay, I go in there now. Let's they put it in the hyperbolic time chamber. That's where it is. Mr. Popo is keeping a good eye on things. So all these squares make a circle. All these squares make a circle. That's what they're saying. That's what they're saying as they're putting the little pieces of hambre in a box. All these squares make a circle. All these squares make a circle. Uh oh, I'm an idiot. That's actually funny. So if you if no, you're good. So if you think back then in time when they had the mines and the buggers and things like that, that's also where Hitler would be. Um in some instances, sometimes not. He'd like go visit or things like that, or go give commands or stuff like that. Um Hitler was also a raging schizophrenic. Um that being said, like Hitler had his things that people knew about, and then I'm sure Hitler had things that people, not even his closest, knew about. Um, and what I mean by that is like if if Hitler wanted it for himself and any other treasure for himself, I'm sure in some way he probably would have killed somebody just by knowing. He was schizophrenic? Yeah. He was a raging schizophrenic, he was on so much freaking coke. What do you think is gonna happen? I know he was super paranoid. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about schizophrenia. Paranoid, okay. Sorry. Paranoid, maybe schizophrenic. Um I said maybe, he could have been. Watch a documentary anyway. Watch a documentary. He so he was very weird, I'll say that, because as I was saying earlier, he could have if somebody knew about it, he probably could have killed somebody, no one would have said, no one would have batted eye at Hitler, um, because of his his rule. But I was also saying, like, if it was to be lost, it could be somewhere where Hitler would only know about and Hitler's dead. So it's just at this point, it's just lost. So the eighth wonder of the world is lost. But during that time around when the um when the war when World War II was finally like coming to an end, um there were rumors about it, about where this amber rim was. There was rumors about all this treasure, and we had actually had a guy on the inside who recovered most of all the treasures that were taken. And it was like the biggest recovery of treasury in the world. But one of the things that was missing and never to be found again was the amber rim. Um, and there was a bunch of theory saying about it that it was hidden in a bunker. Um, sure you know Hitler almost got killed by somebody who with a briefcase bomb under a table, and he classic nighttime story.

SPEAKER_04 13:53

I wouldn't say I wouldn't say I wouldn't say it was a miracle, but out of some I mean the fact that he made it out of that was pretty Remarkable. Yeah. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 14:07

It's crazy. It is crazy. It's crazy how that guy lived. He was probably in so much Coke. I mean, he probably didn't know there was a bomb there. After it exploded, he'd probably man, that was a big trip. That was crazy. It was a big trip I just had. Um, but anyway, so there were there were rumors about it how it was it was shipped out onto a train, it was shipped out, you know, on onto a on a bus somewhere, or shipped out onto a floating vessel. Um in the in the Baltic Sea. So then that time everyone was kind of just like, okay, every this is the hot zone, let's all just get out of here, you know, let's leave. Um the in the Baltic Sea, they were like yes, there was a bunch of German ships on the in the Baltic Sea.

SPEAKER_04 14:54

A lot of sea mines, a lot of U-boats, a lot of stuff like that. Yep, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

But the the ship that it was like said to have withheld the Amberum, if it was to be there. Oh my god, fine in my notes, sorry. Sorry. Oh, okay. So I found it, I found it, I found it. So the ship's name that it was said to be on was the Wilhelm Gustof.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Gustav. Wilhelm Gustav?

SPEAKER_03 15:26

However, you say Wilheim? Wilhelm? Which one? However, you say it in Spanish, I'm not sure. Oh wow. That's uh that's that's wrong. But I know, but that's not racist. No, shout out to Frankfurt. But but anyway, but anyway, so so that ship, the say it again. What was the name of the ship? Come on, pull it together, man. This is what I want to say to you, man. Okay, say it in Spanish. What? I'm the one with the Spanish ship. Sorry, sorry, Wilhelm Gustav. I'm just gonna say like that, if I if I boat trip, I don't care. Um, this ship was one of the known to be cargo ships of the German fleet. Um there are rumors, like I said, of it of it being on there, but there are confirmed cases that that ship was sunken in the Baltic Sea. Um it's so we should go to the Baltic Sea. Could be, yes. I mean, good holiday. Anybody uh want to get their their diving cert? You already have it? Oh who needs a diving cert? I thought you would have by now. I want it, but I mean, all I got's the lake. Yeah, it's one of the still get a diving cert. I know, but it's different. Ocean diving and like freshwater diving is completely different. I want to do underwater welding at some point. Oh you make tons of money doing it. I I bet you also get blown up a lot easier. Yeah. It's a dangerous job. It is. Shout out to those guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:10

Good old hardworking Americans.

SPEAKER_03 17:13

But anyway, I got one more thing. Okay. I got one more thing. One more thing that we can just discuss. Stinking thing, man. Okay. So during that time, they had not that time, during recent times, they had gone down and they had found that ship. The right confirmed the the Wilhelm stuff confirmed that ship. And they said that there was no trace of the amber room, but there were still crates. There's vehicles on this thing, like it could be under a vehicle, like this sew it anything. Okay. So it was it was sunk and the amber room was lost. It got out. It's not in that ship. No. That's that's I don't that's too convenient. The only reason, the only reason I would say that it could be is that you you can't touch anything down there. Like you can't just bring a crane and lift all this stuff up. You can't lift it up because it'll d deteriorate. Right.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

But yeah, I mean if it's lost, if it's lost, if it's sunk to the bottom of the sea, that ship is not doing hot, I'd assume. No, down there.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

I know, but if they if they have found the ship, they know where the ship is, but they can't find any of the amber on the ship, then the amber's not on the ship, it's somewhere else. But that ship wasn't just sunken, it was like in South America, blown apart. Like it was it was sunken as in like big bang, gone. So we checked Argentina. And like you said, amber is amber's flammable. So if it was if it was sunken and it was on the ship, it very well could have burned up. I don't know how well that would have worked underwater though. Because I mean, I I know if you like like enough pine tar, it can get wet, but if you completely submerge it, it still goes out. Right. Well, it wasn't on fire underwater, it was it wasn't a submarine, it was a it was a ship. So it was on top of the water and it was getting hit with all kinds of stuff. And before a ship is gonna sink, you know, it probably takes maybe well 15 to 30 minutes for a ship to sink if it's if it's heavily if it's heavily long.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

Or how it sinks and what's been hit. Right. Like if you hit a like an ammo depot in the ship, it's gone in minutes.

SPEAKER_03 19:25

Yeah. And it could have just been comp hit like right on it, completely obliterated. Nobody would have ever known. Or it could have been look through, said there was nothing. That's fair too. Said there was because yes. Who would have looked through it? Uh if it's Baltic Sea, that would have been That's interesting.

SPEAKER_04 19:48

That would have been the Soviet Union at the time. Now, could it be in some Russian oligarch's palace? Do we know what's in the Russian oligarch's palace?

SPEAKER_03 19:59

I believe that more than I believe it's still on the ship. That somebody like it wasn't there. I don't think that'd be worth looking at. That was definitely a theory. That was a quote. Definitely my theory of like, hey, someone found a hey, it's not here. Oh, we found the ship. There was nothing there. Oh no. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's like, so it very well could have just been lost. When when was it found? Man, I don't let me look through my notes again. Because if it was in like the 70s or 80s or whatever, then I wholeheartedly believe that. That they quote unquote didn't find it. I don't know. It was it was like treasure hunting. It was recent. It wasn't like right after. It wasn't, you know, it was like well, that wouldn't have been right after. That would have been like heart, right? Height of the height of the Cold War. Cold War, yeah. Yeah. When they probably wouldn't have told us anything about it.

SPEAKER_04 20:55

Also depending on how well they had control over the Baltic.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

Yeah. Okay, so it wasn't like super long after war. It was pretty shortly after. So I'm gonna say Well, they definitely found it then. But listen, I'm gonna say this. There was there were several, there were several dives. There wasn't just one. There was a 1955.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

That's even more suspicious.

SPEAKER_03 21:23

1955 Polish divers, 1973, independent divers, 1980s Polish sport divers, 1988 notable series. What's his name? Josh Gates. Expedition on what and that it's still like it's still going.

SPEAKER_04 21:40

If it was there, it would reasonably that even if you went to salvage it, you wouldn't find all of it in one go.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

But it like I said, it wasn't just there 1990s, 2003, 2004, mid 2000s, 2000s, 2000s, you know. Unless it depends on the state of the wreck. Also 40 to 50 meters down. The ship that took them. Out if it was ship ship warfare, they marked the spot and then they got wind of like, oh, there's probably something salvage, you know. Yeah, then in that time period, especially, yeah, they could have just gone and secretly got everything and nobody would have known. And it's not documented that it was and so it was lost, quote unquote. Yep. Correct the mundo. Hmm. Interesting. That's my theory. So that's the amber room. Um it if you haven't seen it online, go look at it. It's like like they have, I think they have a display in Russia. They have a display of it of what it like. Like a mock-up. Yeah, a mock up of what it used to look like and stuff like that. It's it's beautiful. It's not real amber, I don't think. But it is very cool and very expensive, probably. Even then, it's probably still expensive. Oh, yeah. But if you if you if you look at it online, it's like it it's it's pretty breathtaking. And then if you think of because they got it all from pictures that of what it used to look like, and they pretty much redid the whole thing of what it used to look like. So if you can imagine that, but like full amber and think about millions of dollars and think about like the sacrifice of what was happening over that piece of treasure, it was it was uh it's pretty crazy. But yeah, I think it's I I I very well think it could be lost to sea because there's too many open ends of dives that went down there, individual dives that went down there, or dives that weren't even documented. It's crazy. Yeah. They did find something the other day. I saw it the other day. There was some painting that they had found that had been hanging in somebody's like house for years, and it was a family heirloom. But it was it went missing during World War II. Interesting. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I can't remember which painting it was, but it this was like recent, yeah, like the most recent find. They're like, oh, this is like some world-class painting that's been missing for 60 years, 70 years, sometimes they find stolen paintings like like regular theft from museums or something. But also like Germany, Germany used a lot of like trains for shipping cargo. Yeah, there's their main and and things of that nature. They also, I'm pretty sure they were getting at some point getting robbed. At some point. They could have been they could have been robbed at some point. During the that would have been during the end of the war period. Yeah, during the war period, there was uh there was a lot of stuff going on. A lot of you know, revolt and a lot of other stuff going on because everyone was seeing an end to Hitler's creation. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, that's the Amber Room.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

That's the Amber Room. Dadgum it.

SPEAKER_03 24:55

I I do think it's probably in someone's house. I think it's probably in two places. I think it's legitimately probably either in Russia, where they recovered it after it sank, like immediately, or it's in South America.

unknown 25:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Why would you say South America?

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Because there is there's a whole thing about like a lot of a lot of like high officers. Not just him, but like there is a lot of high officers fleeing to Argentina. Um very well could be. So there is something about that. Could be.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

Or it could be Miller's secret bunker that nobody knew about. I don't think we would have it because the logistics of getting our our equipment out there to salvage something like that would be ridiculous. It would be no we weren't over there at the time. People would talk about something like that.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

Yeah, right. Even if it was blown up in a bunker somewhere, like that also could have been a way that it been lost too, because like a lot of the bunkers that were there, that like main bunkers were just like booby trapped to be just blown up after they'd left, you know, set a charge off at the end of the tunnel and let it go up. You know what I mean? But my theory is the is the mysteries and myths of the shipwreck of the Wilhelm Gustav. Wilhelm Gustav. Say whatever you want. I mean in Spanish if you did you did you write it or did you write it down like copy it, or is it like, let me see your notes? Um what the the name of the ship? Because now I'm just curious. This is this is for me. Well it's gotta be somewhere. Well, it's gotta be somewhere. Don't you hate that when you lose something? Someone's like, well, it's gotta be somewhere.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Well, it's gotta be somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

Somewhere we don't even know about. It's in the hyperbolic time chamber. Mr. Pope's I've been watching that a lot lately. Yeah? The abridged, yeah. Mr. Popa's about to teach you the Pecking Waldorf thing. Classic. Right there. Wilhelm. That's what you have. Wilhelm Gusloff. Guslaff? Gusloff. I don't know. Never heard of that one. That launched in 1937, by the way. 1937. Alright. Well, it sank in January, on January 3rd, 1945. We uh went to the moon in 1969. I learned that on even Stevens classic back in the day. We went to the moon. Anyway. What you got, Kellen? I think it's time for the next one. Next on this episode. Yep, and he's only he's gonna read his notes in Spanish.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

No matter one minute. He said, No, I'm no, no, senor. Um, so I'm covering the 1715 Spanish treasure fleet, right? Spanish treasure fleet. So from I think it was the either 1500s, late 1500s, or the 1600s onwards, to around this the early to mid-1700s, the Spanish would have fleets of ships that would travel across the ocean from Spain to the New World and beyond to go gather up the plundered spoils from their conquering, right? Uh a lot of gold, a lot of silver, a lot of jewels, and other items of note like silk, stuff like that. So obviously, they uh they conquered a lot of native peoples, especially in South America and Central America.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Bummer.

SPEAKER_04 28:58

Uh and I'm not gonna get into anything in regarding good or bad on any of that, because that's for everybody out there to decide for themselves. So Europe's been at war constantly throughout history with different nations attacking each other. Um at this point, uh Britain, France, and Spain were kind of all at odds back and forth. Uh Spain had just gone through the was it Second War? Hold on. Notes!

SPEAKER_03 29:31

Notes! So where where was this say again where like the the fleet?

SPEAKER_04 29:36

The fleet itself.

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Like where was it like origin, where was it around?

SPEAKER_04 29:40

So these ships would have been built over in Europe. So they're Spanish galleons. Like that treasure coast, or they've or they've had captured ships that they've taken from the British, from the French, or here and there. Mostly Spanish galleons, which are at the point of this event, pretty old in their design, and they're not really great at battling the more modern designs of the British and the French. Um, but they've been building these ships, sending them across the world, gathering all these precious metals and jewels and resources.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

De blooms, emeralds, two golds.

SPEAKER_04 30:28

Okay. So the other thing was the second war of Spanish succession, was what I was talking about. So they went through this period of war from 1701 to 1714. This takes place in 1715, right? So they Spain's just been through this war. They've had kind of a break on the treasure ships coming back to Spain, so the cofferies are kind of empty. They're in need, at least from their perspective, right? And a lot of this gold through the last couple hundred years has been funding like the economy and basing the economy of Europe in its gold. What?

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Oh, you looked at me out. Anyway, January.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

I I'm sorry that I sniffed my nose.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

You keep your distance.

SPEAKER_04 31:19

So, like all this gold is being taken by Spain from the New World, brought back over to Europe. It's powering the economy of Europe amongst all the countries, right? If they don't do that, all the power starts to crumble from underneath, and that's why they keep sending these treasure ships back and forth, back and forth for years, right? That's that's how empire works, just at an economic level. So in 1715, there's a combination of two different fleets, one that usually goes out of the Pacific and one that goes to the New World and Galaxies. Uh the Nueva, yeah, the Nueva Espana fleet, which is the Pacific one, captained by Captain General Don Juan Esteban de Ubia.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

Say in Spanish. He just did.

SPEAKER_04 32:16

Same French. No. We uh the Tierra Firma fleet, uh captained by Don Antonio de Ekeves, Ekevers Izubiza. It's uh one I haven't seen before.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

Ekevres. Uh oh, let me see here. Yeah, give it to the guy that mispronounced his words. Here you go.

SPEAKER_04 32:43

Okay, lads. Come on. All right, the fleet departed from Havana, Cuba, which was held by Spain at the time, uh, on July 24th, and they were heading for Spain. So they had already been there for a while. But in fact, there was a lot of delays that had kept them there. What were the delays? Different different problems with the shifts, uh, damage, weather. Weather, weather, weather. But also the war had kind of like put a breaker on things for a couple of years, so they were behind, just waiting to go. But certain factors kept them from going on time, even in that late stage, and it pushed off their uh their departure date to the 24th, right? It said that if they might have left the day before, they could have avoided this completely.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Nobody knows for sure. Because of what weather or just things that were Oh, it's because of weather.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 33:40

Let me let me let me know. Yeah. Uh they can't take the rug. Right. Um, so they departed on July 24th, headed for Sebain. Verily early in the morning on July 31st. It was about 2 to 4 a.m. They had they had already sailed along the coast in those previous days in the Gulf and come back around the other side of Florida, right? So they're headed northward up the Florida coast. Right. On this morning, 2 to 4 a.m., all 11 ships that the Spanish hold, uh, because there was a French frigate that kind of went along with them, and it was the only one to survive. So out of the 12, 11 ships were sunk. Lost to the hurricane while sailing off the coast of Florida. Uh the French frigate Le Griffon survived. Uh these fleets had been part of Spain's regular voyages, right? So their crews were uh they're well traveled, they're well experienced after how many years they've been doing this. They're very devout Christians. 1,500 sailors out of either 2,000 or two thousand five hundred uh perished. So it's a rough estimate because we don't have really good documents from this time.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

So this was uh not lost, let's say this was like by hurricane.

SPEAKER_04 35:05

Uh so it was scattered.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:07

Yeah. So like two two to four a.m. hurricane comes up, and you can't do anything about it but try to ride it out. Because if you if you go in towards land, there's reefs there, and they're gonna sink you for sure, right? So they had they had to try to ride into the wind and ride it out. It didn't happen. They were losing rudders, masts, nothing was going right for them. It was kind of horrifying. A very powerful hurricane.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Duck in a big old pond.

SPEAKER_04 35:38

Uh so 1500 savers perished.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

It was a duck in a big old pond.

SPEAKER_04 35:44

Uh, I mean it kind of checks out. I guess.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

I said what I said. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 35:51

Uh amongst the treasures that were on board. I mean, we're talking millions and millions of dollars, several millions of dollars worth of gold, silver, jewels, including emeralds that were meant for the Spanish queen. So this is the this is the Spanish King's second wife, Elizabeth of Parma, and these emeralds and pearls and jewels that were meant for her dowry. So when dowry? Dowry. So a dowry is a gift of mostly wealth or it could be resources if you go back far enough into history, uh, from the man to the woman and her family, right? So that's part of a marriage. You pay a dowry to the woman.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

Oh to the woman's family. Okay, that makes sense. I got you now.

SPEAKER_04 36:44

Yeah. So, yeah. Lost emeralds and pearls and jewels. So they were paying for, is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 36:52

Huh? That's yeah. Pretty much that's how it was done.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

Really?

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Yeah. So it's like the ancient world. They would they would marry their daughters off to whoever gives them like the biggest dowry.

SPEAKER_04 37:04

Yeah, it was usually that's sickening. Yeah. Yeah, it's especially held on in uh the higher classes, especially around the the seats of power, just kind of the way they've done there.

SPEAKER_03 37:20

You remember the movie Holes?

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_03 37:23

You remember the pigs? I do. When he's like, here out in this pig. That was a yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

If only, if only the woodpeckers are tree was the stuff that's the sky as the wood beats people. Hungry and lonely. He cried to the people if only, if only.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

I can't believe you all remember that. That's it. I probably watched that movie at least in other times. And there could be a couple words in there, and a little fudged up, but I still know the song. All right. Good little tunes. Quick question I have for you. During that time, how was piracy? Like, was it like pretty enriched, right? And these people were defending all the.

SPEAKER_04 38:06

So this is the time of the greatest. So you're you're gonna find out some more about that later in a second. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

I just the more so the golden amber room, the better. Gold! The monkey's fist. The monkey. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

We're still spongebob references.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

I mean it's become a thing at this point. You have to. It's natural. So it's natural. Is is this um gonna talk about somebody who we've already talked about in our previous episode. If you haven't watched it or listened to it, um the golden age of piracy is really fun. Good one. Really fun to talk about. Good one. A lot of pirates in the golden age. Big names. Big things. Yeah. A lot of doing. Is this I think I know who this is. Continue. Okay. So you know how we talked about where like the English trading company was posted and all the pirating islands around it. Is this around the same is this around the same?

SPEAKER_04 39:17

This is up the Florida coast, right? So right out to sea. I mean, it's a little ways off, but you got Bermuda. You got Bahama. Bahamas, you got you know the song?

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Come on, pretty mama. Yeah, yeah. Come on, pretty way down at Puerto Rico.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

You know, I love it. Who doesn't like that song?

SPEAKER_04 39:40

Um, obviously Spain's got Cuba, but yeah, Britain has Puerto Rico, and yeah, there's all the piracy. There's certain people that the pirates won't attack. Well, that's like they were contracted.

SPEAKER_03 39:56

So if you look at it, if you look at it on a map, like where the pirates are going, a lot of them are going from the Carolinas down to the islands, and that's right up there.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

They're going right down. That's exactly the reason why it's a fleet. Right. And that's why we talk about the galleons. These are Spanish warships. Uh-huh. If you attach them en masse, granted, this time you probably have better ships, but they got the guns. You don't want to attack them, they outgun you. They're sluggish, they're heavy laden, but they'll outgun you. Right.

SPEAKER_03 40:32

Because they've got the bombs.

SPEAKER_00 40:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

We got the biggest bombs of them all. No, it's a different song. Well, you know what? I mean, well because we got the bombs.

SPEAKER_04 40:51

Um so yeah, that's why they would travel as a fleet for defensive purposes against pirates. That's the entire purpose. Right? So your your pirate was not gonna challenge that. But if something like that was a lot of pirates what's happened happens, and pirates hear about it, oh yeah, they're gonna do what they are about to do. Are you gonna so the crew that survived that made it to shore on whatever islands or on the Florida coast, they salvaged what they could from the wrecked ships and they put it all together in a camp on a beach, right? A couple months pass, because this is all happening over the course of a year after this, right? Well, maybe half a year. Several months pass, and Charles Vane and Henry Jennings Jennings so two big guys when it comes to the golden age. Why are you saying this? And this is why they're famous. They find out about this campsite that all this gold and silver and jewels has been brought together at from a captured ship, and once they find out they go for it, they bring overwhelm overwhelming force down upon the camp, which just can't defend itself from this number, and they take 87,500 pounds worth of gold. Now, I can't begin to tell you how much that counts for today, but it's a whole lot.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

More than the amarrow.

SPEAKER_04 42:26

Because that's only a fraction of what the original orde being you know shipped out was, most of it sank, right? Can you imagine the party on that ship? Oh, all the grog you can have support.

SPEAKER_03 42:43

So this was like one of the biggest maritime maritime disasters for Spain.

SPEAKER_04 42:51

For Spain, yeah, and it it kind of affected them in in the next century, if you think about it. Once happened, all their economics were out in the they're they're kind of they're weakened, right? They're their power's been weakened, and Britain has better ships being built every day. It was only a matter of time. So they they had the wealth taken out from under them, literally. And by and from what the sailors said, it was the will of God.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

It was stolen. Huh? It was stolen.

SPEAKER_04 43:26

Well, that was stolen, but it was stolen. The rest of the hurricane was the will of God to them. And that's what they were quoted as saying.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

Um the 500 survivors or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

Yeah, it was uh there was 1,500 men went down, and there was like maybe 2,000 total. Yeah. Well, that's crazy, dude. Yeah, so they found out that uh it was a salvage camp and the ship that Urca de Lima, which was still able to be salvaged from. So they took all that, and since then I mean th their names go down in history for for that heist, for that piracy. Um amongst other things. Uh but after that, since then, treasure hunters have been finding different wrecks from the fleet since the 1950s, 1960s. They started doing like independent treasure hunting hunting stuff, people trying to find out where the wrecks are because gold's still down there. Uh they know there's gold's still down there because it keeps washing up on shore. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

Periodically. Well, I wish it would wash up on shore in front of me. That'd be that'd be pretty nice. I wish they'd wash up on a lake.

SPEAKER_04 44:39

I don't know about the legalities of all that. I've never been in, I've never been a treatment hunter. I've never delved into that. But I I know there's a lot of museums set up down in Florida that have a lot of this gold from the shipwrecks. So that's the same thing. Uh they had it on display. So this week in Spain, France and Britain rise up uh in the 1700s, is why you have so much going on with them and the more force within the trade.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

It'd be like the the French and Indian.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

Yeah, the French and Indian War later on. And um and like Britain kind of becomes at this time the top. They are in control of the sea militarism.

unknown 45:27

What?

SPEAKER_03 45:28

It's a mystery of how like how cra how crazy that would have been to be on a ship. Freaking tornado, hurricane comes in. Tornado, it's tornadoes, hurricane, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 45:40

The hurricane it seemed today is terrifying still.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

Earthquakes That's a little far-fetched, but no, it's it's that's insane. Everything has spread out.

SPEAKER_04 45:51

I mean, natural disasters are wild.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

It is only because you're delayed one day. I mean, imagine what the people at Mount Vesuvius thought.

SPEAKER_04 45:58

Yeah. And their moments, you know. That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

That's insane.

SPEAKER_04 46:05

There's nothing they can do about it. Just be battered by the waves and previously sink.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

So 300 years later.

SPEAKER_04 46:12

Yeah. And we're still finding gold.

SPEAKER_03 46:13

And we're still finding gold.

SPEAKER_04 46:15

And gold at this time, the weight of a ship, it's not all just the blooms, right? You'd have it in small broken up pieces. Gold dust was the main transferable form because you could pack it tightly into a chest or bags or whatever have you.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Pottery.

SPEAKER_04 46:35

And you could ship it easier that way. So it's it's there's gold nuggets, there's good dust, there's the balloons, there's all kinds of different names for different coins.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Uh the gold ingots, what are they?

SPEAKER_04 46:47

Um ingots? Yeah. The little bars. Yeah. So there's all this kind of stuff because they they different people packed it differently to be shipped out, and just depending on what they were able to break it down to. Yeah. At the time, they were doing a lot of different things like that. Not not a lot of standardization, but if it's for the state of Spain, it's going.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

So the sea's giving it back one storm at a time.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

It's been this has been featured heavily in certain like TV shows, movies.

SPEAKER_03 47:30

I think it was what didn't they reference it in uh Pirates or uh the Sails?

SPEAKER_04 47:36

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Um and it's also one of the shipwrecks is in Fool's Gold, the movie and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

Fool's gold.

SPEAKER_04 47:46

Fool's Gold. Heavily impacted Europe, I think.

SPEAKER_03 47:50

Well, I mean, it shifted all the powers. Yeah. Because that's like that was a that was one of the big defining moments of the fleet was necessary.

SPEAKER_04 47:58

Not the total collapse of the Spanish Empire. Yeah. Not the total collapse, but it definitely took down a couple rings on the on the ladder of the very pinnacle moment. Yeah. Uh not just the ships, the men that sailed them, just all the resources going into this operation to and from the the old world and the new world. It was it was necessary to have them. To lose them all in one swoop fell swoop. It was pretty brutal. It costs a lot to make them.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

It took them at the knees.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

It costs a lot to make galleons, dude.

SPEAKER_02 48:35

Yeah. Big ships. Big ships. Big ships. Big wooden ships. Gandhi. I'd like to own one. That would be fun. You have to have a crew to make galleons.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

I was thinking, I was thinking about that, dude. I was like, pirate ship would be pretty. I actually looked for some online to see if there was any pirate ships around there. Get some cannons. Could you imagine that? Bringing that to the lake.

SPEAKER_04 49:02

Just having it sit on the lake.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

Bringing it out of the middle of the Spanish galleon in the middle of the lake.

SPEAKER_04 49:08

TWRH.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Oh, all of those cannons registered. You don't have to register. Yeah, they're all fine. They're all filled one shot at a time. It's it's I think I don't know. It's code. It's code.

SPEAKER_04 49:22

Black powder. I think that probably falls under like a certain classification that you don't have to do. For what?

SPEAKER_01 49:30

I don't know. For a cannon.

SPEAKER_04 49:31

Because it's black powder. At least here in America, you can buy black powder guns and they can ship them to you. You don't have to go to the store and black powder fits you.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

They're just hand cannons. Great shot. Watch out. Grape shot, chain shot. Oh. Dude, that was that was one of the coolest things I saw in the movie. Um parts of the Caribbean. Of course. I never seen that. I'm just kidding. All right, well, then we're gonna tell we're gonna tell the story. Okay, a guy named Jack Spico. Anyway. Anyway. Well, that's really interesting, though. I didn't know how many ships it was.

SPEAKER_04 50:16

Like I had heard of the fleet, but like I didn't realize how people, I think, today don't understand because we have so much more going for us uh in the world economically as a whole, that we can have a lot larger fleets. Like D-Day was insane.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:32

Right. Also about that. It's it's modern military power in might is totally different from back then. Eleven ships is wildly expensive at this time.

SPEAKER_03 50:48

Yeah, especially if they were allowed.

SPEAKER_04 50:51

There's cannons at once munitions.

SPEAKER_03 50:54

It wasn't like a warning one down, another one came. It was like all at once.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

At this time are a lot smaller than people would think. It's just the way that the world works is different now.

SPEAKER_03 51:05

Croatoa. Croatoan. I was thinking of Krakatoa.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:12

From Krakatoa.

SPEAKER_04 51:17

You know when that exploded, it put out a dust cloud over the earth and it kept like the clouds over the earth for like a year.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

Hmm. I didn't know that was a lot of things.

SPEAKER_04 51:26

Yeah, it's farming. It doesn't surprise me. Yeah. I mean, Mount St. Helena. Huge, huge volcanic eruption. Mount St. Helens did did about the same thing. That's a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

Anyway, on to the next.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

We mentioned three different volcanoes.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

The Flor de la Mar, Flower of the Sea, was a Portuguese vessel that was um pretty influential in the like Indian Ocean going around the Cape to because the Portuguese were like the first big like sailing power in Europe.

SPEAKER_04 52:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 52:13

This would have been, I think it was built in like 1502 or 1503 and sailed to about 1511. Had several different captains, but the last one was Blog. Um that's not his name. Afonso de Albuquerque. What a name. Albuquerque. Um so basically um it was a carrick, which was like a class of ship. It was 400 tons, which was the biggest carrick of the time that had been built so far. So it was built in Lisbon, and it was built for, like I said, the Portuguese Indian Run. Took her maiden trip in 1502, went to get like spices and herbs and everything from the Indian Strait there, um, or Indian Run rather. And when they were on their way back, because the ship was so large and the Mozambique Channel, which is where they were going through, has such treacherous waters, made it really hard to maneuver the ship, and it was causing it to leak and take damage, so they had to stop on the island of Mozambique, okay, or Mozambique Island, for repairs, and it was there for about two months. And finally, after that two months was over, she kept going and made it back to Portugal in like 1503, and that was under the first captain. Under the second captain, it was basically assigned to the 7th Portuguese India Fleet, which was 22 ships. So large fleet. It was like part of the big push for victory in India for the Portuguese. That was like a a year or two after it got back to Portugal the first time, full overhaul, repaired, good to go, set sail, and started to return at 1506, taking the same passage that Mozambique Channel. Again, same deal, loaded down with a bunch of stuff from their plunders of war. Had to stop at Mozambique Island again, but this time it was for a much longer period of time, like 10 months, 11 months, it was stuck on this island until finally it was they would set sail and they would start noticing problems and then have turned right back around and go to Mozambique Island until the Eighth Indian Armada, I think is what it was, basically ordered their crews of their ships to help repair the Florida Lamar. They get the ship up and running, and Florida Lamar was taken over by another vice uh viceroy of Portugal of Portugal and India. Um and don't do it. Viceroy. Viceroy.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

Vice Roy.

SPEAKER_03 55:24

So the Viceroy was like, hey, let me take this ship back to Portugal. The leader of the Armada was like, nah, it's going with us. We've got more wars to fight over in Malaysia. You're talking about what's going with them? The ship or the ship. Okay. He wants to take the ship. So he's like, okay, you know, I guess I'll take a different ship. So they get in a different ship, Viceroy goes back. Um, and then the armada sets sail, and it's bound for a couple different places to take over like this the area of like Sumatra and Malaysia, and there's a couple others on the list here. I'm about to sneeze on, give me like three seconds. Peanut butter. There we go, it's gone. But Afonso de Albuquerque took over the ship during that time, um, which was its last captain.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

Oh, what?

SPEAKER_03 56:18

Alphonse? Afonso. There's no L. The Fonzo. Afonso de Albuquerque. Yeah. So the Fonz was um so basically he was conquesting uh Kirat, Muscat, um Cor Fakon. Dude, what? I'm gonna say these wrong. Um Kalhat and Sahar Um and Ormuz. Ormuz. Okay. You know good and well that one will be on a subtitle before you die. I'm sorry. Albuquerque was in charge of it. He was like the second-ish captain. He was over the Armada. Um, Francisco de Almeida in 1509, they commandeered the Florida Lamar to be the flagship. Okay. Um in the Battle of Diu. Um that was in like 1509. Where was that? Dio. You thought it was Day of What? Battle of Diu. I thought it was Jojo, but it is me.

SPEAKER_02 57:25

Dio.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

So after all that, and this is all for the the conquest of um Goa and Conquest of Malacca, which was like the big ones. And that was towards the end on their way kind of back, where they had basically loaded this ship up with gold and treasures and plunder from these city sackings that they were doing to try to control the area. The Florida Lamar Um s went back, was heading back to Portugal in um 1510, 1511, like into 1511.

SPEAKER_04 58:06

So around the cave?

SPEAKER_03 58:07

Yes. So it's it's going from from Portugal around Mozambique to get to the Portuguese Indian Run. Um so this time on its way back, it's going the opposite direction, it's going from the Portuguese Indian Run back to Portugal through the Mozambique channel. Um and once again, because they didn't learn their lesson the first or the second time. Stop going through the the ship started to break apart due to tenuous weather situations and the the severity of the channel.

SPEAKER_04 58:47

If I recall correctly, they have to go through there because it they might get pushed out further into the Indian Ocean if they go around.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

That's a good recall. Well, not necessarily. It's just a shorter passage. Okay. Because I'll get to this in a second. So on its way back, same area near Sumatra is where it's at. Ship starts to break apart, leak, and eventually sinks, killing 400 crew members. And I think the only survivor was its captain, Afonso de Albuquerque, at the time.

SPEAKER_04 59:25

So hold on. Only survivor was Afons. The captain survives. Did they not have the tradition of captain going down with a ship?

SPEAKER_03 59:34

Well, I mean, you can only go down so far. You know, before I mean nobody nobody else was there. If like if I was a captain, no one else was there, I'd be like, I mean, it's not like it was in battle, it was just sinking. But um, and I I've got a couple different things of like some crew members survived, and then it was just Albuquerque that survived. So that one's kind of a gray area.

SPEAKER_04 59:57

But um I'd imagine the records aren't very green on this because it's the it's the account of just a couple of people, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:05

But what's weird is they know the general area of where the ship went down, they just can't find it. But it's laden with all sorts uh like it's basically everything that they had taken from that conquering of Malacca, which is now Malaysia, all the treasures and plunder and everything was was on the Florida Lamar, and it was on its way back, and they didn't learn their lesson, and went through the same channel and sank. But so it's like a ton of stuff. They've searched the entire it's somewhere off the coast of of Sumatra. So that's somewhere off the coast of Sumatra. So that channel runs out to sea. Yes. Right. So it's running outward and they were sailing inward. What? I'm saying, like, it's going through the channel, right? So a channel is going one or the other way. I'm I'm saying, like, is it if it would have sank, is it flowing back out to sea if things were lost, or is it in one place? It would it would be in like one place. Okay. I'm just curious. Like how deep's the channel, like, yeah, yeah. Peanut butter, biscuits. Signs over. Excuse me. You talk funny. I like the name. I like the way you don't. Anyway, so they know the general area of what it is. The thing is, because of this happening, larger ships were ordered to start taking a different route. Um, so they go like east of Madagascar for calmer waters. It's a longer trek, but not as treacherous. Um and yeah, that's pretty much it. They were just like, yeah, it's gone. I don't know. But because of where it's at and the things that were happening at the time, there's a lot of issues and controversy over like when it is found, who gets the gold, who gets the treasures. Because Portugal sacked these places, took all the stuff, but it was during wartime. So Portugal has a claim to it. Indonesia has a claim to it because they were taken from Malaysia, all claim salvage rights. Like, so there's there's a big So it would be fought over.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:29

Yeah, if it's found, it's it's an issue. So it could be pulled up, but only in secret.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:35

Yeah. So there's that. It could have, you know, been so, but um, there's it's like just really a gray area. It's a landmine of a wreck. Yeah. So um, but the Florida Mar is also still referenced in a lot of like modern-day pop culture stuff, like Doctor Who'd in an episode regarding the Florida Lmar. Um, and then one of my favorite game series ever, the Uncharted series, the fourth installment, alludes to it at the very end of the game because he like hangs up his theming uh treasure hunter ways and is like a professional diver at this point. And they're like, Oh, we found this salvage, um, but we need to, you know, do you want to go ahead and do this without the proper permits? Um, and it talks about it being around Malaysia or Sumatra or wherever it was. But I thought that was really cool because I didn't realize it whenever I played the game that that's what it was talking about, and then when I was heading the research, I was like, Ah, okay. Um, but yeah, it's one of the big mysteries because they know the general area of where it's supposed to have sank, they just can't find it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:54

That's wild. It is really hard to find a shipwreck, though, even with our modern technology. You have to yeah, well, I mean, the stuff doesn't it's made of wood, but it's made of wood, so the wood probably is gone.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

It degrades, and even if you did ladder, you would see like you wouldn't if if it is wood and it's deteriorating, you wouldn't see it.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:15

Well, I it's gonna look like everything else down there. Well, that's a few different uh treasures that have been sunk in the sea, potentially, or just potentially or just they lost, they lost the gold.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:27

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SPEAKER_04 1:05:28

Bye bye.