Sticky Notes
Ever wondered what it's actually like to build a fitness business from the ground up? Meet Rosie and Leila, two Pilates instructors who crossed paths at a London studio and discovered a shared vision that was too powerful to ignore.
This podcast—Sticky Notes—is our real-time chronicle of building something from nothing. We're relatively new teachers stepping into entrepreneurship, balancing Rosie's big-picture dreaming with Leila's pragmatic planning. We're challenging fitness industry norms, particularly the narrow concept of a "Pilates body," and creating spaces where everyone feels welcome regardless of how they look.
Join us weekly as we document every decision, meeting, and milestone. Whether you're interested in Pilates, entrepreneurship, or simply enjoy witnessing the unfiltered journey of two women betting on themselves and their vision—we're glad you're here for the ride.
Sticky Notes
Classical Pilates: Lineage, Interpretation & Finding Your Studio (Ep. 4)
We’re diving into the heart of classical Pilates in this episode—what it really means to practice and teach within the classical tradition. We kick things off by sharing some excitement about our growing podcast and a few fun tech upgrades, then take a deeper turn into the history and philosophy behind the work we love.
With Rose getting ready to move to Utah, we chat about the challenge of finding truly classical Pilates studios when relocating or traveling. What actually makes a studio classical? Is it the teacher’s lineage, the equipment they use, or something less tangible? We swap stories about the surprising differences we’ve noticed from studio to studio—from spring tensions that feel totally different, to small adjustments in equipment that better support different bodies. Even within the classical world, each space seems to have its own vibe, while still honoring the original method Joseph Pilates created.
We also reflect on conversations we’ve had with mentors over the years, asking ourselves: does being closer to Joseph Pilates in the lineage automatically mean someone’s teaching is more “authentic”? We touch on the sometimes elitist reputation classical Pilates can carry, and ask whether blending in contemporary elements is watering things down—or actually keeping the work alive and relevant.
At the core, this episode is about staying curious, staying open, and continuing to learn from a variety of voices. We’re passionate about helping bridge the gaps in the Pilates world, and this conversation is part of that mission.
So whether you’re a longtime teacher, a dedicated student, or just starting to explore Pilates, we hope this episode gives you something to think about. How do you find a studio that feels like home? What differences have you seen across classical spaces? We’d love to hear your thoughts—join us in the conversation.
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Speaker 2:it. Yeah, that's so fun.
Speaker 1:Okay, that is reassuring me. Why is the audio up so high?
Speaker 2:All right, good stuff, good stuff, good soup, good soup, yeah, so we lost the fluff, but we have a new one.
Speaker 1:Oh wait, Look, you can see quite a lot of our lower bodies.
Speaker 2:Do you want it like that, or do you want me to angle the camera up a little bit more, maybe?
Speaker 1:oh, I don't care, I mean I really don't care.
Speaker 2:If you want to angle it up more, we can.
Speaker 1:No, I don't mind, I just prefer. No, I don't mind at all. I just think I'm comparing it to what we used to have and I feel like the other one has a lot more of what was above us. But I don't mind it like this at all I'm good with it.
Speaker 2:It feels quite cozy. It is cozy.
Speaker 1:How low will I sink into the couch this time? This?
Speaker 2:is a very comfy couch Because you slide a lot on the cushions anyways, they just don't really stay that well. Let me take a picture.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Cousin Dabool. Shout out, mr Saeed. He's the one that bought me the stabilizer tripod. Whatever we're going to call it, it's crazy technology.
Speaker 2:I don't know if other people know about it. We've been really surprised by it.
Speaker 1:But actually because that brand DJI they do little mini mics as well. They've got a bunch of gear. Maybe we should get some. Yeah, I was like wondering if we look into. Obviously there are a lot of different camera and like mic brands. But it made me think when I was, because I saw someone recording on a mic that was like a DJI one recently Even buying these.
Speaker 2:I was very impressed that we both happened to pick these ones. Yes, Because there were so many options. Do you think it was just they were the cheapest option? I think that's why, although, you said, yours was 10.
Speaker 1:I think mine was 25 for one mic yeah, all right, I might have to check my amazon history because maybe it wasn't 10, but I just I don't. I don't imagine having spent more than 10 pounds on the mic. Yeah, because I see the little square shaped ones too.
Speaker 2:I just liked that this mic yes, it's like yeah pop star or something I feel like a pop star whenever I teach at Third Space with my Britney mic. Yeah, I do quite like it so good.
Speaker 1:All right, I don't know if I will have included the clip from the two seconds ago, but we have a couple of tech updates One, which is the tripod that we just talked about, which was yeah which is very cool. I dare say we might have something even bigger of an update than the tech update. We have a location change.
Speaker 2:We do have a location change, if you haven't noticed, and we'll never be in that other location ever again, because I no longer live there. Yes, which is crazy.
Speaker 1:Sorry if you can hear the squeaking outside. I do live near a park so there's a lot of dogs that cross there life happening, there's sound, there's london going on.
Speaker 2:we live in london and sometimes it's a little noisy and we can.
Speaker 1:We're on the same couch, we can physically touch, because in a few weeks we will be separated by it's kind of upsetting.
Speaker 2:I was thinking about it, though I think that we will. This is my vision is that we'll record over zoom and then at some point, maybe before you have to move, or whatever it is and we could keep doing it after you move. But maybe I come here for three weeks or something and we like interview some people.
Speaker 1:Oh, that would be bang out some interviews. Yes, because it would be nice to get a, a bunch of the in-person, like for the people that we know here. Yeah, to get it done we can backlog.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe you have time in october, september, october time it would just be cool we could line up some of the people we have in mind and then, I actually think, doing it earlier on in the process. The more naive we are, the better, because then the questions that we'll have, like the questions I have for Max Holly Javier whoever.
Speaker 1:Yes, we need to start like teasing the idea to them.
Speaker 2:I know I've been dropping hints, dropping the hints of it, and I think after 10 hint drops, Max finally is like oh really, you want to interview me?
Speaker 1:I'm like yes, yeah, because I think after you clearly know what you're talking about, dude, you had mentioned it to him and mentioned to me, saying like, oh, I told Max like I would love to interview him. And then when I bumped into Max once because I don't get to see him much at the studio I was like, oh my God, yeah, it would be so cool to interview you. And he was like, wait, really. And I was like, yeah, he didn't. I was like, yeah, it would be cool. And I was like, oh shit, maybe Rose didn't.
Speaker 2:No, I have many times. And then yesterday he was in the studio when I was in there and I said to him Max, I'm not kidding, I want to interview you because you're so knowledgeable and have become such a mentor and just an interesting person. I don't know how he got into Pilates, how did any of us get into Pilates? I don't know. He's been doing it for Half these things.
Speaker 1:You know who's been doing it for so long as well, oh, which I didn't realize naively Luke. Luke's been doing it for over 20 years. We should interview Luke, that would be. He probably has a bunch of stories he has crazy stories just from life in general. But yeah, I would love to know.
Speaker 2:He'd be quite honestly I just think it's a different experience and yeah, yeah, another way.
Speaker 1:So I have more questions, because he was telling me something about one of the like you know the way, you know the way sort of older generation and I don't mean calling luke older generation, I mean older generation of teacher where they are obviously closer to the source and closer to joe. The way they all talk about the studios, as in all the studios in the states, and like being in studios with those like key, like elders or mentors or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:There's almost such a reverence when they speak about it and they are. That is like their first person recounts of. Like his, like I if I was not a geography student, I was going to be an anthropology student and I did a couple of anthropology courses because I loved it and this.
Speaker 1:They're almost like living history, which is what I think is so cool about Pilates not to get us completely like off topic but unlike yoga, which has obviously been around for centuries, decades much longer than Pilates because it's an older practice Pilates is still so young and I think it is so cool that we are with and have access to people who are almost like living history, like today. I did a private session with Christos because I couldn't train with Laura this week, so I had to see Christos Laura.
Speaker 2:Laura, come on, shut up, laura. Where was she this?
Speaker 1:week. No, actually it was my fault because someone broke in with me at Pi so I had to work instead of seeing her.
Speaker 2:Was it the 1pm person? Or whatever it was the 1pm person, I put that in. I was the one who added it in. Oh no, that's this Thursday. Oh, that's this Thursday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I added someone in and I saw it was empty and I was like I feel kind of bad about this. No, I don't mind, I mean it got to work yeah.
Speaker 1:And we were talking about uh exercises with a single spring, and he was because I was asking him about putting um the spring on like the weaker side for the body, for like some upper body work in the rowing series and he was explaining to me that he was in a studio with bob.
Speaker 1:Bob, who was one of the obviously very close to joe um, and bob had a reformer that had a fifth spring in the middle and it was almost like three quarters of the strength of a regular spring and whenever he had to do single spring stuff he would use that instead of having a spring. That's so interesting and like what and like that is just something that you would never really know and obviously so much of joe's history and the history of the exercises are only documented by people who were there in the studio on the day when that was taught with and he used to change his exercise and how he would teach, obviously depending on the body.
Speaker 2:But we don't have all those records because not everyone was there all the time and I think we've mentioned this, but I have such a clear memory of Holly, during my teacher training, someone asking like why is the foot pointed or something? And it was about the foot specifically. And she said you know, to be honest, we don't really know. And it was about the foot specifically and she said, you know, to be honest, we don't really know if it was like it was in this picture that we have of him doing the exercise, but we don't know. Yeah, he didn't know that it was going to become this. I mean, maybe he did, maybe he had that belief about him. I don't know. I know that there's people who have done tons of work on historically understanding him, but I just think it would be so cool to interview people, like you said, who were closer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely To the source because it's just getting watered down a bit yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is totally fine, and obviously that's the nature of what will happen to something over time. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But you're right, Sometimes you hear things that people, little nuggets of information and you're like whoa yeah.
Speaker 1:I think we had been talking, Luke and I. We had the, you know, like the sandbag where you like, twist it and like you, do the for, like the forearms or whatever it is. And I've started to do it every once in something. I think he said drogo's gym or something, I don't even know, I was just like yeah I feel like he has so much um lore to him. Or every time I hear, like I hear a story from him, I'm like where is this?
Speaker 2:where is this coming from? And I also. There's been a few things which the the pie program doesn't really emphasize too much, like adjusting the reformer for different heights and things like that. They and I remember saying to holly when does one learn this? Yeah, or the baby chair. We don't cover the baby chair, like when does one learn that? And she said, oh, you know, a teacher will. It kind of gets passed down yeah, so baby chair.
Speaker 1:I've learned quite a bit of it from being on it and from like small workshops. Um, it was explained to me that with like baby chair, also like guillotine and things like that, it's like there's only so much time that they have in that exactly training that they can't gearing out a reformer, was taught to me in my teacher training there was a section mentioned, but not in detail I think ours was also it was mentioned in like either a seminar weekend or just sort of a.
Speaker 1:We had these like weekly calls and then I think there was some there was also room to ask questions, and then someone asked a question about gearing it out, and then it went into like a deeper discussion, um, about what exercises you would gear them out for versus the whole reformer, and I think we just had a lot of people curious about gearing out a reformer, so maybe our cohort went into it a little bit more detailed than you would um with other ones, but also I've had interesting conversations with max, which I would love to have on here also, where I had a client I covered Nazia's class I think, which happened to have a lot of people who usually work with Max and two people I just found challenging as people, not physically, but just as clients.
Speaker 2:It was challenging for me and I was talking to him about it afterwards and they needed all these, needed all these modifications, like they kind of just were doing their own yeah thing and max was explaining to me like just talking me through these different modifications, and I said at one point I thought that joe's whole thing was that the reformer is for everyone, like it can fit everyone. So why are we able to change it up in all these different ways? And he said I think this is totally not a good thing, but he's like I would guess that if someone came in who was really, really overweight and wanted to use a reformer, joe would have told them go lose weight and then come back.
Speaker 2:Damn, yeah, maybe you know, and I was, like wow, you never think, because joe was for everyone, but he was also, to my knowledge, a pretty small dude yeah, we were talking about this today.
Speaker 1:Chris wasn't I, because he was quite because we were talking about um. This is like obviously quite niche pilates knowledge, but like hands back in the stomach massage and chris also is explaining how it is so tight in for his upper back and he's not even that tight in the upper back um, but the near the grip of having, even if he were to go with like um on fists instead of on the actual shoulder box, it just like makes no sense for his body really to do it because it is just in such an air, and he just has that width and across his shoulders um, that it would not make sense for him to really be doing it and so he.
Speaker 2:That's not something that's really in much of his personal practice.
Speaker 1:I mean there's I mean when I do my own like just a little flow of the intermediate there's so much that I just like skip out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, but and I know some teachers. Um, there was a teacher at pi williamine who when I first started the program I did a bunch of privates with her and I remember saying about stomach massage series actually what's the point? I'm not getting the point. And she explained to me the point and then said I honestly never teach this, she just doesn't see much. But she also has a perspective where she's a very ultra end of the spectrum of like functional. I was gonna say she has like a biomechanical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she was like cert or something kind of like this, doesn't?
Speaker 2:she's like that's just not serving my clients. So her perspective on it is just different.
Speaker 1:So it's very interesting also shows uh, it goes to show. It's so, I think, client specific as well, because today we did only um round and we did it with almost a different focus of to help me find space into the lower back, where I really don't, and we were almost helping me or finding less of a lift, more of just like a really rounded shape. Um, it was really cool and it did give me a lot of release in the lower back where I am so tight, but it is so interesting.
Speaker 1:That also goes to show you where a lot of people interpret exercises differently than are teaching them slightly different Not differently but with different intention. And you know, because we don't know exactly what Jo was teaching and doing. You know, we know a lot of it, but maybe not a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:I mean this is why yeah, you know, no, even less of. And I think, another thing max said to me yesterday, because a few of the apprentices were talking about the never-ending conversation of contemporary versus classical and what does that mean? And blah, blah, blah. And max said you know, I think it's good to have some contemporary. You can get a lot of tools in your toolbox and have those in there for moments where you might need them. And some people are so against any kind of not even overlap, but be classical or don't, and maybe that's also not, you know, the right thing. So it's just interesting to hear these different people talk about what they learned. Definitely, you know. Um, right, should we?
Speaker 1:oh, I don't even know, I don't even think we said welcome to episode.
Speaker 2:We didn't really say that no welcome to episode four episode it's crazy. How do you feel about our first three episodes?
Speaker 1:Lots of learning curves. I feel like it has been an exponential growth. I feel like we said that at one point where we sort of and I almost like I did expect it to be where the very first time doing everything is obviously the most difficult.
Speaker 1:And then, once it's done, once you sort of know the pattern, editing has been much easier in the second and third week. Obviously they're still just like the actual tackle, or trying to oh, trying to get the videos across, which I did have a mini crash out at one point which is just like I want to almost put like the screenshot of the text that I was sending you, trying to get the videos across so much going on, um.
Speaker 1:So I'm I have ordered like a mini sd card which is somewhere in the house, um, and then an sd card reader, but I have to order a different one because I got one that was usb, not usbc. I didn't even think about that, um, so hopefully now I'll be able to sort of put it onto that um sd card, plug the sd card into my laptop and then just like drag and drop the file almost yeah, so it should take a bit of the hassle of it out, but everything else has like, moved much smoother yeah, for sure, and leila showed me how to edit the little clips, did you uh?
Speaker 1:was my tutorial clear enough, so clear it was so good.
Speaker 2:It was perfect. Your clips were so cute. I really did love them. I loved yours. They're fun to make.
Speaker 1:They are so much I I loved what I was re-watching all of them.
Speaker 2:It's really sweet. What was I going to say about those ones? That was a bit of a learning curve for me, but then once you do it, once you get it, and it's totally fine. But I was going to say it's nuts how, even On my phone, I would go to the video in like my photos app and want to just edit it down to a smaller clip. And I would go to do that and my phone would just say error, yeah, why, what?
Speaker 1:error. Yeah, error is forever an error. Why?
Speaker 2:Why is there?
Speaker 1:an error.
Speaker 2:And then I would exit out and come back in Error.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Happened three times and I do the same thing no change. Exit out and come back in error. Yeah, happened three times and I do the same thing no change. Still on wi-fi nothing's different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it works. And I I just I know, because when I had my final crash out where I was like this, I was like episode three is just not going to exist. And then I was like, oh, I'm gonna wait for the sd. I had literally ordered like the prime next day sd card and the reader, and then the file suddenly appeared and I was like, really, yeah, after all, where did this come from?
Speaker 2:yeah, I was like what? Has changed um yeah, I'll try to get those.
Speaker 1:I will airdrop those episode three videos as well to you so you can make some clips if you would like yeah, um, you know what I really like.
Speaker 2:Sorry, no, I can say I love on the. What's the app called buzzsprout? I don't know why I keep wanting to call it Buzzacot.
Speaker 1:What is Buzzacot? I keep going to call it Buzzfeed but that was because that was an old company.
Speaker 2:Is Buzzacot something else? It must be something else. I love that you can go on and see the different countries.
Speaker 1:I was going to bring this up because there was a country I can't remember what country it was that popped up and I was like who on earth is listening from this country?
Speaker 2:Because some people I mean I can identify, you know it's probably your family and whatever you know.
Speaker 1:But I have a friend who lives in Denver and I can see that she's listening to it Like how it's funny because whenever people follow either the podcast, instagram or, I guess this as well it's very clear what side of the duo they're coming from. If it's like a vaguely Arab name, I'm like okay, they're coming over from my team. And it's like sort of a very Western name, I'm like, oh yeah, this is from Rose's side.
Speaker 2:How cool is this? We can see. It's the UK, United States, Lebanon, Saudi Netherlands, Turkey, Luxembourg, Turkey.
Speaker 1:Who's in Luxembourg? I have no clue. Who's in Luxembourg.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think Turkey is me. Actually, it could be, never mind. One of my best friends is in Turkey Israel, spain, the UAE, all the countries.
Speaker 2:And then you can see all of the different areas. It says cities, but then it's funny because it'll show fulham wandsworth oh, it's really breaking oxford lewisham, which is weird because that's where my dad was born, lewisham. I don't know anyone who lives there now. So, denver, I know it's just cool and you can see how many? Times they've St Paul, Minnesota, Wow, Milton Key. I mean it's just very. I could go through this all day. Luxembourg.
Speaker 1:Who's?
Speaker 2:in.
Speaker 1:Luxembourg.
Speaker 2:Crazy. I don't know anyone there, it's just cool.
Speaker 1:Pina.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe. Who knows Little apprentices around? Yeah, that has been something we've also talked about a few times this past week, getting messages from I won't say specific names, but we have some teacher friends at Pi who I had someone say they're having just a bad day, and then she sent me a screenshot of our podcast and it's like I'm calming down by listening to this. Wait, who is this Keelan?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's so sweet yeah.
Speaker 2:She was like this is how I'm calming down. She made me so happy and it's funny because I love it and I love watching.
Speaker 1:I mean we said last time we haven't really like listened to a full episode in its entirety oh wait, this is where I was gonna say, though, I realized at the start of the last episode you were talking about how we've switched sides, because you were like, oh, this is my bad side and everyone. I'm just going. Yeah, it's like I wanted to say you don't have a bad side, but I just like validate you.
Speaker 2:I was like maybe I am so funny. You're like yeah, that is totally I was like, yeah, get on to that.
Speaker 1:But I just like bowed at you. I didn't even clap.
Speaker 2:I was like, maybe I am that is so funny, You're like yeah, that is totally your bad side.
Speaker 1:I was like, yeah, get on to the other side, it's hilarious. I wanted to let you know I don't think you have a bad side.
Speaker 2:That's really funny. Yeah, it's funny because when I listen to the podcast, or watch clips of it. I think it's so fun and I love it, and I'm also proud of us because I know how much went into it and it's cute to have people. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw we hit like 75 downloads the other day. I know how cute is that. That's so wild, it's pretty fun.
Speaker 2:I love that app. So good job finding that app, thanks. And seeing the little views on Instagram the. And seeing the little views on Instagram the little clip that you made where it shows the microphone that has by far the most views.
Speaker 1:I think it's just like the most rewatchable. It has like 1,700 views or something.
Speaker 2:The rest of 300 people love that little clip. It's so good. And I love that because I'm like that is also my favorite little clip.
Speaker 1:When I was doing, when I was editing that clip, I because at first I was just going to be talking about I was like, oh, we should just like make a note of like how we're recording it. And then the clip just really worked for everything. I was like we need to zoom in on it so I'm glad that the humor um, I loved it.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, so episode four learning curves are still happening, but I think it's getting. We'll have a whole new learning curve, for maybe we'll get one more in before I am when do you more in? Yeah, we can I leave the 29th, so we have a couple weeks um, but then we'll have a whole new learning curve of recording a zoom. Yeah, we can always batch a couple.
Speaker 1:um, that that's true. We can do that, just assuming that we also. I mean, yeah, assuming it takes us like a couple weeks or not weeks. It takes us a bit to get adjusted to filming online. Yeah, to give you time to get settled as well. Oh, it gives us a buffer. That's what I was looking for A buffer?
Speaker 2:yes, yes, but this past week, this past week was a great example of why it's nice to have a partner in this stuff and a partner that you trust and like, because I was totally emotionally absent, basically For a very valid reason. It was a big week. I was super busy and also not busy, but just very emotionally distracted.
Speaker 1:So Layla took really the brunt of it. Can I say? I saw a couple of clips of you in the Cox and see, and I don't know what I pictured, but it wasn't that, especially that position, just like you were, like a little athlete.
Speaker 2:So, aero and it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I felt like a little shrimp down there.
Speaker 2:Did you? I wouldn't say it's not the norm. It's a very normal thing. But more common is that you're sitting at the other end of the boat. Okay, in a boat with eight rowers I happen to be in a four, so I was down. If you haven't seen anything about rowing, look up bow loader. That's what I was doing and that's what I was yeah, I saw a couple and it made me giggle.
Speaker 1:It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2:It's like she's off doing her big gal thing, but I was, yeah, I was away and my family was in town, so it was just busy time and Layla was handling all the things. Yeah, more than happy to it kind of worked out that Kate and Nikki, who are doing the branding and website stuff, were also just sort of gone last week. Now we've all kind of picked up again at the same time last week. Now we've all kind of picked up again at the same time.
Speaker 1:So we have a meeting on Friday with Nikki to start? Yes, we do? I saw that Just website at two, 30 or three, or two, 30. Yeah, yeah, and then we have. We have a form to fill out for Kate to go over. Yeah, hex, that's perfect.
Speaker 2:And then next week we can chat about the form and the. We have a form to fill out for Kate to go over hex. That's perfect.
Speaker 1:And then next week we can chat about the form and then the meeting. Yeah, I'm sure that will give us inspiration or ideas of things to speak about. Yeah, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool Cool. How are you? Oh, is that how you feel?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I felt like it's just funny because, like I said, I was yeah. I felt like it's just funny because, like I said, I was very emotionally absent and then I was trying to make little clips for the instagram spent like five minutes doing it and it was just too much and I just stopped yeah and then.
Speaker 1:But again, it's another example of when you're running your own thing, you have to be self-motivated yeah you have to be inspired to learn the skills, but it's that thing that's definitely are once you do it once it becomes so easy, and then the more it becomes even easier to make clips.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, it's just more the actual, just literally doing it, that we just yeah, yeah and we, we're getting there, we're learning as we go, and that's the whole point of the podcast. So one thing I wanted to touch base on, because I'm moving to Utah, which is in the western I'm going to say that confirmed now United States.
Speaker 2:Tristan's gone, my husband is away. He left yesterday. He's with his family. We're always away. He left yesterday. He's with his family before moving to Utah and then I'm going over there. We're not moving for permanent, but we'll be there for a bit. So I've been in the process of trying to find a classical studio and it is Sorry I'm so hungry I think I'm digesting.
Speaker 1:Usually I ate right before you came.
Speaker 2:I had to I had a chicken sandwich and then I had um.
Speaker 1:I got like little mini bags of pretzels.
Speaker 2:So we've got those good and some good summer lunch it was really good, yeah, so I I just want to talk about the process of finding a classical studio, whether it's when you're traveling or, in my case, when you're moving because it's actually been cut. Struggle is a strong word. It's not a real struggle really, but it is weird because, again, the classical space is not. It's very well defined for people who are in classical, but on the outside it is not super well defined. And I thought I had found a place. I think that I have still found the place I'm going to go.
Speaker 2:And I was talking to max about it last night because I was saying I wanted to do some of his classes virtually and then I would have a space to do that. And he asked me about it and I told him about this studio and he said well, how do you know it's classical. And I said, well, they said they're classical and I spoke to the women and it's a romana kind of lineage. And then he started saying all these things that just planted seeds of doubt in my brain about it well, in my mind holly was trained by Ramana.
Speaker 2:Holly has Pi, so anyone trained?
Speaker 1:by Ramana.
Speaker 2:And so this woman I spoke to in Utah. She asked about the origin of my training and I told her and then she said Ramana is also the origin of our training, so you'll fit right in here. And then Max said but we're not a Ramana studio. And I said yeah, but the other place isn't either. Ramana isn't in there, and it's the same step that Holly was there are, because there's like a Ramana studio in London, though.
Speaker 2:Yes, which is very different. Yeah Right, but I didn't even think about that, of course. Oh, maybe it is, and I had done my research. I had looked online and seen you know what it is that they're doing. Have they got grouts? Reformers yeah, they have all the same, all the same stuff that pi has and everything they're doing. People are doing short spine, people are you know there's signs, that point to it being that I know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2:But then the way that Max researched it for me is he went to their Instagram and looked at who they followed on Instagram Smart and he's like they don't follow me, great Max. It's like they follow X-Tale, so that's a good sign.
Speaker 1:They followed Nobu Pilates, okay, and I just thought they follow X, they follow exhale and nobu, not pi. Yeah, strange, right strange kind of weird.
Speaker 2:So I said to max is this the really the best way to be doing this? And then I was thinking about us and honeycomb studios and how it would. This is kind of, maybe we're just, you know, confirming, because we're trying to manifest that it should be a thing, but it would be so helpful if I could just go somewhere and look at exactly from an objective perspective, what is it that I'm actually, you know, going I guess we're going to have to figure out guidelines for us on how we're going to decide if a studio fits to our standard of classical or not.
Speaker 1:I've had this vaguely in my brain, the consideration of if I I've just only found someone in Saudi in Jeddah who I would consider classical and hers is like an at-home studio. It's not even like a public one. In Riyadh there's none. If I end up in Dubai, I obviously know of a few pure Pilates and there are a couple other that I've seen, just from also instructors I know who have left Pi and gone over to the UAE. I would know it through word of mouth of just like.
Speaker 2:I've seen on their Instagrams.
Speaker 1:But if you don't know instructors who are moving to these countries, how? On earth would you find these places and I are you looking? To teach or just to be a client of it both.
Speaker 2:I mean priority being a client and having the resources to be able to do virtual work in the studios. That I do know really well over here. But it is interesting because you know teachers have their own little flares, Studios have their own little flares. I feel like you might be able to speak to it more because I spend a lot of time at Exhale and then I started spending a lot of time at Pi. Have never really overlapped the two, so now I feel kind of very connected to Pi, but also Lifebody and Barnes.
Speaker 2:I've spent quite a bit of time there and some it is all the same. And it clearly is all the same. I never don't know what they're talking about, but there's still subtle differences, even just in the way that an exercise is set up, or even, if you want, to go down to where the springs are set up is different studio to studio.
Speaker 1:Yeah pie. Well, the leg springs are now hung up, but we used to set up the leg spring that's a really recent change, one setting up from where it is current um, from where at equinox it is arm springs on the bottom hook, leg springs right above oh interesting, and so I have done tower my whole training experience on a lower setting of a spring and whilst the leg spring on a higher setting is more similar to what you get on the cadillac, I think on the tower it's actually nicer to do it on the lighter setting and have it lower.
Speaker 1:Um, especially in a class setting, I think it works a lot more, depending on what you're teaching, of course, but teaching beginner, intermediate clients, I think they just tend to do better on a lot because it's quite an intense spring yeah um.
Speaker 1:So that is like subtle differences between different studios. Reformers feel very different across studios and the springs on them feel very different. If I think of the Equinox reformers versus the Pi ones, they are very, very different. How do they feel different? Because even just across the five we have at Pi, each reformer feels different from the other. There are some that have newer springs that are much tougher, there is some with the lighter springs, some of them are Grats, one of them is a Legacy or there is some variation of the models.
Speaker 2:And Javier's been moving them around, has he? He thinks it's good for people to not always go to their same one and because everyone has a.
Speaker 1:Reformer because they know the feel of it, yeah, and so I think some of them feel lighter than the springs at Equinox. Obviously there's the two that are the really heavy springs. They feel much heavier. But even I feel the dimensions of the Reformer feel a little bit different to the ones at Equinox. And I was just, I was so used to the Equinox ones that I never really train on the Reformer at PI. I tend to hop onto the tower, the caddy, whenever I have some time, yeah, um, and I just do reformer mainly at equinox yeah, I, I mean the.
Speaker 2:The equipment definitely feels different in different places and people maintain it differently.
Speaker 1:Get it, you know our reformers are getting upholstered this next few weeks. I saw that message One at a time At PI.
Speaker 2:Finally, but this is another good, and it's one of those things, too, where I'm kind of like who do you ask? If you asked Holly Gabby from Exhale, natalie at Life Body Christos like to define classical Pilates, I'm sure they would all give a very similar answer. But the answer I've heard is vaguely along the lines of Pilates. As you know, joseph Pilates intended it.
Speaker 2:So he's not here telling us what he intended. No, Everyone's interpreting it a little bit differently, which is a beautiful thing about it, because you go into a space and it might be for you, it might not be for you. You know, somewhere like Exhale for me. I've only ever been to the Primrose Hill one so that's the only one I can speak to, but it feels like a lot tighter of a space than Pi I have been to their Marlbone location once or twice. I've heard that one's really nice.
Speaker 1:And their Primrose Hill location once. I think it was the Marlbone one is really nice because you're literally in the center of the city, in the heart of the city. It was quite cool. It felt a little bit more cramped than their primrose hill one.
Speaker 1:I think there was it felt like there was a bit more space. In the primrose hill one, um hannah, from my intake, who teaches over at equinox and at exhale, will be cool to have on the podcast. Actually she's another one that we can chat to Because she runs online math like live streams once a week like a classical math. But so she was on the Equinox training with me and she teaches at Exhale and she mentioned that it can sometimes feel Because they are similar to Pi where there may be multiple classes going on and are private at the same time, and then, I think, because they don't have the, their acoustics are quite different to us, whereas we can open the doors.
Speaker 2:So even when it gets quite loud, obviously opening the doors helps to keep it quiet, aired, yeah, but it's a cool thing, like I said, because you can come into a space and to your point about lots of stuff going on. We had a client recently at Pi who left a class because she she felt like there was just she was in a reformer class, she was on the end, there was a private happening next to her and she felt like it was too much. And I spoke to her on the phone and I kind of said she's really nice about it. I said that kind of is the classical ethos almost way yeah, because you have.
Speaker 2:And there's been times where holly's been with me at the desk sitting there and there's a class going on, there's apprentices practicing, there's two privates going on and it's all kind of swirling around and she's like this is great, this is a classical studio. This is, you know, the that it is, but that can take many different forms. So back to finding a classical space that you want to train in.
Speaker 2:It's tough because there's, in some ways, a lot of pressure to keep doing classical the way that, because I want to be a classical teacher, so I want to have that knowledge. But if I go somewhere where they do something slightly differently, you're like is that not classical anymore.
Speaker 2:What does that mean, you know? So it's kind of again. This is why I want to interview people, because I just have so many questions about how people decide people who are. It would be really interesting to talk to. You know people who have more recently be really interesting to talk to. You know people who have more recently designed a training program to say how have you, you know holly, designed her version, which is surely different from it's all I know, but surely different from wherever we could reach out to.
Speaker 1:I think it would be really cool to talk to james shaw, who has set up um his own studio home studio or not home studio his own studio now in margate and he runs his own um teacher training out of there. Cool, he came from equinox. He then went over to third space and headed their um reformer and pilates department and then now runs his own thing. And I, when I first was looking into Equinox to sign up for their Pilates teacher training, there was like a Zoom call, a huge Zoom call like with over like 50 people him and a bunch of the team in the States and it was just anyone who had like registered interest. Basically yeah, but he was on the call to represent the uk teacher training team.
Speaker 1:Um, and I went on the call one sort of intake before I actually signed up for it, so six months before, yeah. So by the time I actually signed up to the course he wasn't on it and he had, he had left for third space and I was like oh, that's the same, because he seemed like quite a cool guy just listening to him speak on the course. Then when I finished up my teacher training at Equinox and I was looking to apply to places, I remembered that he had moved to third space and I was like, oh great, I'll apply there because he'll know how intense the Equinox course is, so he could he'll more likely Vouch for you, vouch for me, or like interview me, even though I don't have that many months or years.
Speaker 2:I had no experience at that point, but I was like oh, he'll know how intense the training is.
Speaker 1:I make it over to third space, have my sort of audition with him and then, as as I'm signing the contract and everything is going through, he announces that he's leaving third space and going to Margate to set up his own studio so I was. I am just following this man around. London and I guess maybe this is a sign that my next journey is Margate or, I guess, opening my own studio in my own country or own city.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I would love to talk to people like that because, yeah, when you're starting your own, you know, I was talking to Pina, who's an apprentice at Pi and she's starting her own kind of thing and she was talking to me about how she tried to use music and it was just so distracting and it was too much in like the home studio yeah, and then she's kind of settled on some sort of lo-fi, you know sounds, and she's really liked that for our videos we would have to figure out.
Speaker 1:We wouldn't, because we would probably need copyright free music, because I wish we could do obviously non-copyright music, because I would love to like have a taylor swift song in the background of mine. Yeah, I don't think we would be able to.
Speaker 2:I know I was actually thinking about this today too, because I was writing out plans for classes. I wanted to record and stuff.
Speaker 1:I went to sleep last night thinking of my last two days have been so I haven't like, had no minute to breathe up until right now. Um, and right before I went to sleep last night, one of my things I wanted to do this was put mics on charge tomorrow morning and I was like, oh, I'll remember that. And then I didn't. So when you messaged me, I was like, oh, that was the other thing I had to do. I remember to my laundry helping each other yeah, but I forgot.
Speaker 1:I was like there was something else I was supposed to do before charging the mics is such a little thing, it's like charging anything.
Speaker 1:10 minutes before I left to come here, I was like gotta charge my laptop yeah, right it's got 10% that's true, but, um, I was like thinking, I was like, oh, I should probably start planning those classes, and like figuring it out, I'm on my. My pt course has started where I need to like finish my enroll. I mean, I all I've done is pay for it. So they're like, oh, we'll send you an enrollment email and then I think it's somewhere in like the junk.
Speaker 2:But I was like, okay, that's like do you know what the structure is of it, or anything?
Speaker 1:is it all online? Uh, yeah, okay, I mean if they have like something that you can do in person or like test out in person, but it can also all be videoed and filmed pretty cool which actually works. I wanted something in person, but then I also realized I don't really have the time in my schedule that I can give up or commit to something in person.
Speaker 2:You, you have done such an intense training in person for classical pilates. I feel like it would be not great to be doing all certifications online, but you've worked with real bodies yeah you understand real bodies.
Speaker 1:You're just getting the information and I think it's a thing where I have a lot of awareness of what I'm assuming I'm going to be taught anyways, from being in the gym, from training, from talking to trainers yeah, um, so I'm hoping that a lot of it is, uh, you know, makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's intuitive I imagine it will be I'm hoping to do one as well, once I'm settled, probably online also just to have a little more clout. Yeah, cred with it you know, and knowledge? Obviously definitely but, um, yeah, I forget pina lo-fi yeah, just it's funny because a while ago I thought we should have an episode on what is classical pilates, and it's just not super well defined.
Speaker 1:I guess what is interesting, you mentioned that if you were to ask Natalie from Exhale, if you were to ask, maybe, Marsha from Nobu Palatu sorry, Gabby from Exhale Natalie from.
Speaker 2:Life, Body.
Speaker 1:Marsha from Nobu. All three of them trained with Holly. Yeah, or came from Haldi.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so okay, I thought that Natalie did. Yeah, she did, she did right Nazli at Lifebody. Yeah, she did right.
Speaker 1:She used to teach at Pi, okay yes, I mean not before me, yeah, yeah, but she used to teach at Pi. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Marsha did her training at Pi and taught at Pi. I believe the same goes for Gab.
Speaker 2:That's my understanding.
Speaker 1:So all three of them would have a very similar understanding to what we know and see as Pilates and classical, because they trained with Holly, who is our boss and who runs the studio that we teach her and that you have done your teacher training with. Yeah, so you have the exact, same training, or not the exact, but you've done the same training course they have, so you will understand it to be the same thing that they do, whereas and mine is very similar to what, like our training manuals are almost the exact same but there are obviously some nuanced differences but we understand classical Pilates to be the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and also now at Pi, sophia and Nazia are taking over in a lot of ways. I mean, holly's still directing all of it, but she's not teaching all of the weekends anymore and I think she still teaches two of them. But I would be curious, in that process of her training them up to be teacher teachers is she talking about? Because I loved the way that Holly did it and she very much, you know, is a spiritual person, so she is, you know, referencing the spirit of joseph plotties and these things.
Speaker 1:like I really enjoyed that side of it and I just wonder if she was having conversations with them about joe, yeah, this or if she was really keeping it too which is so interesting because we had none of that really with equinox, because our, the teacher trainers that we had in london I don't believe any of them had trained directly under, you know, romana or bob or people that had trained with joe or like none of them really had that first person experience neither did many much of the team in america or in the states.
Speaker 1:If they did, they didn't talk about it or really bring it up at all. Um, they were just referencing the manual that had been created by carrie carrie samper um at equinox. So it's funny because I didn't didn't. I would pick it up when talking to Christos, because he was always around the studio, but he was never. Is he who ran your program? No, so he's not actually a teacher trainer anymore.
Speaker 1:Okay, I see he used to be a couple of cohorts before us, but he no longer is a teacher trainer, so I had Laura, obviously Laura, a lovely lady called Marcela who is over in Mexico now she would actually be really cool to interview and then a lady called Lucy I'm blanking on Lucy's last name.
Speaker 2:So they were the three who took over our cohort and it's so interesting that you say that there wasn't, you know, maybe the firsthand connection or whatever, because clearly the training is nothing. That you do is like whoa, what's? That it is so clearly classical and super well taught, so does it have to be someone who has a direct connection to him? Maybe not Kiela and I?
Speaker 1:have this conversation quite a lot because there is, um, I think, from people who have been able and have been fortunate enough to have a lot of firsthand experience with people very close to joe. There is an emphasis on almost like elders in the pilates world or people who you know are closer to the source, and so their knowledge is, you know, seen as not more important but more valuable maybe. Yeah, um, and keelan keelan and I have don't necessarily subscribe to that I think there is so much benefit in being able to. We literally spent half this podcast talking about how we want to talk to people who do have that story, but I think I have learned so much from training with people and being taught by people who didn't have that experience, and I feel very confident in the knowledge that I gained from them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, shout out as always, laura, laura, but so I trained with her very regularly and she, you know, I don't believe she trained with anyone she actually no, she trained with equinox. So you know, it goes to show, I guess, as then, if she trained to equinox, she trained under crystals, but it's like a whole world you know how far are you gonna be from?
Speaker 2:and I think sometimes it does make me feel kind of icky the attachment that people have to this lineage, because I don't know very much about Joseph Pilates in terms of his personal.
Speaker 1:I understand the origins of Pilates but I haven't actually researched him that heavily, I'm sure there's some criticism to the man I've read the criticism.
Speaker 2:We should do a whole thing about that. I think it would be interesting to do one.
Speaker 1:you know how you were saying it would be cool to do an episode about classical. It would be interesting to do one about the criticisms of criticisms of classical, pilates specifically. A lot of people refer to it as being quite elitist, a hundred percent, and I think that would be an interesting, and maybe even interviewing someone who has classical like Tala, for instance who has?
Speaker 2:classical, like tala, for instance, who has classical training now but did contemporary before because, I mean, I teach alongside her on monday evenings and her classes are clearly so well liked, so interesting.
Speaker 1:She's such a fun character. I need to jump in on one of those but she could.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she teaches classical because she's in pie and she has a classical studio. Now, true, pilates shout out um shout out which looks beautiful from what I've seen on instagram they're running a pie teacher training.
Speaker 1:We we need to get tall as someone we need. We should write a list after this podcast of people we would love to get on the podcast, but I yeah 100, and I think for her and you know other people as well even someone at a place like Bozzy which is very highly regarded, especially in the States.
Speaker 2:Clearly people like it and like the training and they have so much emphasis on safety and kind of actively have reasons why they've changed things from the past. Is Bazzi the?
Speaker 1:science one.
Speaker 2:I think so, or is that stocked? Am I getting mine?
Speaker 1:crossed. Let me actually look, because I know one of them is like biomechanical or like a very bioscience-y. Sorry to keep cutting you off. No, I'm actually curious.
Speaker 2:Body, arts and Science.
Speaker 2:Science international- I never even realized that's what it stood for so, and the person who, um, I don't know how you pronounce his name, ryle, I think his name he? Um, clearly, you know there's a People aren't just doing things to mess around. So, while we do have a big emphasis on classical and that's kind of the group we want to connect, I totally agree with it. There's some criticisms and some of them are quite founded. Yeah, so in my opinion. But, um, yeah, it's, it's all very interesting and yeah, we should make a list of people we want to, for sure, um, anything else to get to um let angle change because right, as I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Maybe it should have been a business meeting and not um.
Speaker 2:Let's let angle change because we should put a little clip in there.
Speaker 1:Shut up Right as.
Speaker 2:I'm saying maybe it should have been a business meeting and not. So sorry if that felt like a business meeting. I thought it was super interesting and we basically covered everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, this is what we've wanted the podcast to be as well. Behind the curtains. Behind the curtains Peek up. I was trying to figure it all out.
Speaker 2:Episode four.
Speaker 1:So that's about it I think To wrap it up, I also every time I'm like are there even sort of like chapters to what are like segments to what we have been talking about? And then every time I put it into the bus drop thing and it gives me all the like chapter names. Yeah, I'm like oh. Yeah, we names.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like oh yeah, we were talking about things in chapters. Um, I'm just like, was it just a flow? And we're kind of in a zone right now where we're waiting to set things up yeah, we could talk about.
Speaker 1:So what we have on the to-do list for the week is right after this podcast finishes, we are going to fill out this form, uh, this questionnaire that kate has sent over about the marketing and the branding, or the. I keep calling it the marketing, the branding package for hex, which, rosie, I keep. I also realize I'm calling you Rose, not Rosie. That's fine, I really don't care. You know what I realized about that? Not to completely derail us whenever, cause I had a friend at high school and she introduced herself to me with one name and then halfway through I realized, or self to me with one name, and then halfway through I realized, or she had mentioned that, oh, she actually much prefers when someone uses this other nickname instead. Um, too, but my, and I think I was, I think I realized to me, whatever someone has introduced themselves as to me is like the name that sticks, because now, but it's almost like whenever I call you rosie, I want to like giggle because I'm like I'm calling you, not your name but it's what you're asking to be called.
Speaker 1:No, either one is fine, um, but it made me think and I, and because I remember vividly having almost like secondhand embarrassment or anxiety whenever I want to say call her by the name, not the name that she originally gave me. Yeah, and I feel like that's not your name and I, yeah. I don't know why. Every time I go to say Rosie, whenever my mom texts me and it's Rosie, I'm like who the fuck is Rosie?
Speaker 2:Why is she calling you Rosie? I would say that because Sarah who's? One of my best friends who lives here. We've been friends since we were six. She calls me Rosie and pretty much none of my other. I guess that's not entirely true, but, like most of my friends, call me Rose.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess that's not entirely true, but, like most of my friends, call me Rose, yeah, and sometimes I'll be in a setting with you know multiple of my friends, I mean a lot of them in the States but she'll call me Rosie and people will be like people who know me well will be like what? No, I'm like that's just what she calls me, or like when my mom calls you Rosie.
Speaker 1:I'm my mom calling you rosie and I don't even call you. Yeah, it's such a weird thing. It is such a weird thing. Um, sorry, I cut you off from no, we were just saying what's on our to-do list.
Speaker 2:So we have the questionnaire. Yes, we have a meeting about the website, which I'm very excited about. I'm very. I have no clue what she's gonna ask us.
Speaker 1:I'm very excited because I've never done that piece of it before and then remember what the questionnaire was about for Honeycomb.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the questionnaire is very. It's asking about, like, what is the mood?
Speaker 1:What's the?
Speaker 2:tone. Are there colors that you're interested? In Are there like it's just getting her. This will be a nice brainstorming session as well for us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, super fun, and then we also which we're going to vlog some of that for a vlog that may one day make its way onto YouTube. Either way, I love having the documentation for us 100%.
Speaker 2:And then the other thing that's kind of not hanging over our heads. But today for the first time I went back and looked at, we sort of broke down what videos we want to record, what we want that to look like, and today I started sort of planning them, nice Series and blah, blah, blah. And it's in a good way, because I'm super excited about it. It is a lot. So I feel like once I do one, because we also need to figure out we touched on this can we use music and what kind of music and how? How does that work with copyrights?
Speaker 1:I'm sure I think there's probably websites where you can find either copyright-free music or almost like directories where we may have to pay like a small fee and then you get like the rights to yeah, it won't be obviously mainstream music, but it will just be like. Which might be better anyway, for at least in the beginning. I guess, because also you don't know what people's not tastes are.
Speaker 2:but and we also want to which I'm sure is not difficult to do, I know I've done it before is have it so in our videos there's either names of things or timers. Yes, so in theory, if you wanted, you could be looking at it and have your own music going. Oh yeah, you know kind of do a bit of both. So we have the scaffolding is starting to be built and the content is being brainstormed.
Speaker 1:That's kind of where we're at. Anything on your own personal to-do list or anything you're up to this week.
Speaker 2:Not really Just packing and organizing, Getting ready for this big shift. I'm onboarding a lot of new teachers. Right now Someone's taking over my shift at Pi. We have some new people coming in going out yeah.
Speaker 1:I heard I guess this is an off-camera conversation. Sorry, I don't talk to everyone. I'll leave that for. I'll leave that for.
Speaker 2:I've got some things to chat about. Yeah, there's people just like coming and going because their lives are taking them different directions or they're moving or whatever it is, and that's all stuff I handle with Pi. I'm also figuring out how my job will continue when I'm in Utah, which is I feel very grateful that Holly extended that to me, because I do really like the job, and it would be so good to have the connection to a studio in London, like ideally Pi, because I know it so well, but I'm very grateful for that. So I'm trying to get all those pieces settled before I leave.
Speaker 1:Have you sat your exam? Which exam? What's your next one to do? 400?, 400, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do my 400 before I go and then I'm going to do my 600. Probably I'm just going to come back and do it Like in probably September or October or something. We can cut this. But I got kind of annoyed at Sophia because I felt basically, clear, I did, I did my hundred and then I waited so long before I did my 300 just because I was doing so much.
Speaker 2:Admin holly and I were in constant communication about it. She was like you're in a unique situation. You're doing so much other stuff for the studio. I know you're practicing, I know you're learning, don't stress about it. And then I did my 300 and Holly told me just schedule your 400, like you've done the hours. It doesn't need to be another 100 hours. So I emailed Sophia and I was like, hey, I'd love to schedule my 400. She's like it's only been a week since you're 300. That's like that's a lot of hours really quickly. I was like I was ready to do my 400 when I did my 300. Yeah, it's just she was there, understand, but I think holly, she's gonna do it for me and then it'll be fine and then I'll come back to do my 600 and then, yeah, on clip.
Speaker 2:so, yeah, I just have some. I'm trying to get my life. I actually was telling maybe I was telling you this, I was telling someone this recently I feel like the struggle with my move is almost going to be more that I need to make sure I'm present there because I have this here with you. I'm still going to be working for Pi and I was really worried about losing all of my london connections and I'm, I think, if anything, I'll need to make sure I'm, you know, going to a studio in person in utah and all those things and you'll learn so much and I'm I'm almost so excited to see what you will bring, because you're going to be in a whole new classical studio and also tie it back to what you were saying earlier.
Speaker 1:I'm sure I can't speak to it, I'm sure I'm sure it'll be so similar to you know what you've learned and experienced at pi, but also you're going to have access to a whole new pool of instructors and teachers and different ethoses and like just views on the classical world and perspectives and opinions, and we don't have to agree with everyone's opinion or perspective, but it would be cool to get those and just to see how that changes more people in.
Speaker 2:Like the classical world is so strong in the us, like, which makes sense because new york and all the things, but yeah, oh for context joseph created, birthed uh classical pilates in new york in the states there's.
Speaker 1:There's a big Training in. Is it Virginia?
Speaker 2:No, oh my god, there's some.
Speaker 1:No, it's, I will get it Right now Because I know there was an instructor At Exhale who trained there. There's like a big, like a ranch somewhere and there's like a huge, I'm sure. Not Utah, utah, I don't know, I think my American geography show. I will send it to you, though, because there's like a big, I'm sure, like you're saying, it's very tight yeah.
Speaker 2:But I think that'll be good because I'll be able to extend my reach for us and bring people into the Honeycomb Hex family. So all good stuff. What about you? What's going on in La La Land? What's going on?
Speaker 1:I have a very busy week at work, which is great, but it just, yeah, I was like, oh, I need to just get through on. I remember going to sleep sunday night and I was like I just need to. Like. I was like I'm not gonna have time to breathe the next few days. I'll make it through. Um, we, I'm through the worst of it. Tomorrow will be quite busy as well, though I it's. It's that thing where it's like I either can go home in between working in the morning and the night, but then I only have like half an hour to an hour at home, or I have to spend the whole day out and I would prefer to come home, but then it just like makes everything a bit more chaotic. Yeah, tomorrow, and then I have friday off um, a bit last minute, but saturday I'm now competing in this.
Speaker 1:Like it's not a big competition, but it's like this little mini thing that 45 is throwing and I wasn't going to do it at first, but then, um, there's a team that are now we're down a guy and a girl, because it's like in groups of four, um, and so they asked me last night. They're like, oh, would you be free to?
Speaker 2:jump in so fun. I was like, actually I am free this saturday.
Speaker 1:So I'm doing that on saturday and that's awesome, seeing my cousin at some point on the weekend I'm going to try and see him. But, yeah, very chilled week, just like mundane in the most, in the best way possible. Yeah, I've been doing my running, and who would have thought the more you run, the easier it gets it's very frustrating, but very fresh, I'm like so I have to just keep doing it to get better yeah if I run more than 5k, I get bored.
Speaker 1:I won't I run at equinox a lot because I can run on the treadmill and the people watching is incredible it just keeps me going, especially around, yeah but I need to start running outside a bit more to actually like understand what my pace is, and I think it might be a bit harder for me running outside than on the treadmill I definitely find it harder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the treadmill just keeps you going at the pace you're forced to keep moving yeah, it's like you either run or you fall and you don't want to fall on that thing. But of all those people you definitely don't want to fall, I want to run, oh yeah, I have to tell you who I saw.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, we'll wrap this up because I have to tell you I've been I've been spotting all these celebs that oh yeah yeah, tell me, I'm on the one should we wrap it up?
Speaker 2:yeah, um, and it is 5 10 and I know you have to go to your oh, we have like an hour before I need to leave, oh really I don't have to. I don't have to even to like six. Oh wait, I was an hour off in my brain, yeah, because then you're like, oh, we'll be efficient, and I was like we have got yeah. No, I really thought you had to leave at like 5 30 no, my workout 6, 20, but it's literally on.
Speaker 1:It's on the high street, yeah perfect.
Speaker 2:All right, okay, should we wrap episode four. Thanks,