Sticky Notes

Chasing our Dreams with SABLE ROWE (Sarah McCurrach)

• Honeycomb Studios • Season 2 • Episode 12

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The episode starts with a cheese debate and lands somewhere far more meaningful: we’re reshaping Sticky Notes, racing toward the Honeycomb Studios launch, and welcoming our friend Sarah - an opera-trained singer forging her solo singing project, Sable Row - for a candid, funny, and unfiltered look at building a creative life. 

Sarah opens up about body image, early diet culture, and the hard lessons of keto at sixteen. We trace the arc from chasing smaller numbers to chasing stronger habits: lifting, cycling, 10Ks, and the quiet pride of finishing what you start. The conversation turns on a key shift - confidence rooted in consistency and community rather than size - and the mental clarity that follows when training becomes a lifestyle. If you’ve wrestled with yo-yo habits, comparison, or the pressure to “look the part,” this one will land.

We also get practical about creative branding and social media without selling your soul. Sarah and Leila break down how to post sustainably on TikTok, why authenticity beats perfect edits, and when to outsource vs DIY. Along the way, we talk team dynamics, dreaming big vs. doing daily, and how the right people become the net under every leap.

There’s a teaser for Birdies & Bombs, a golf-fitness venture with a wild origin story we’ll unpack in part two, and a promise to keep this space playful: yes, a theme song is coming (Thank you Sable Rowe). If you’re a creator, founder, instructor, or just someone trying to build healthier habits and a braver life, press play, share this with a friend, and tell us the one big scary goal you’re daring to say out loud. And if this resonated, subscribe, leave a review, and help us grow this little world.

SPEAKER_01:

Real beef with string cheese, to be honest with you. Tell me. It's something about that in baby bells, like the consistency of it. You know, like think about like when we were little and they're in the seat. That that's not for me. I'm having the time of my life right now. It's just but like I love a cheese platter. But when it's stringy, you love a charcuterie. Love a charcuterie board, as they say.

SPEAKER_03:

I think because all the cheeses I like are like the more bland cheeses. I like this, like all the like, I'm not a ghost cheese gal, I'm not a blue cheese gal. Give me like blue cheese.

SPEAKER_01:

Fowl.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I'm I feel like Holly's clients are gonna walk in and be like, what's happening? So what's be grateful? She teaches tower? Yeah, that should have did I tell celebrities in the making. I didn't tell Holly anything, but I feel like it's fine. Um so we're gonna do a super brief update on us. Are we going? Did you press record? Yeah, I did. We're recording.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, I didn't see you.

SPEAKER_02:

I thought we're I thought you were just telling me that we're chatting.

SPEAKER_03:

I was like, yeah, we are gonna chat.

SPEAKER_02:

We're gonna do a super brief update. And then yeah, Layla does that. She'll be like, and a three, and a two, and a one.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I do like the intro, I do the countdown. I let you know.

SPEAKER_01:

You're on the air. No, I mean we have to know what is that champion always has an ABR, always be recording.

SPEAKER_02:

Always be recording. That's why I'm recording because I'm I'm that kind of thinker. So we're gonna do a brief update and then uh talk to Sarah about. You phrased it well, Layla. What did you say on the phone to me? Women in business.

SPEAKER_04:

She's a business woman.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. You always say this. You're like, you phrased it well. I'm like, what am I don't know what I've been saying. I'm just saying in business. Yeah, I think I'd say that. I hope.

SPEAKER_02:

You are you have a way with words, and I don't necessarily so I'm trying to think of what there is to update on. A lot first of all, we haven't posted an episode.

SPEAKER_03:

I have I have a I have things. Layla. So I respectfully, I hate America's geography. I like and I need the geography to be part of this. Yeah. No, so I need the whole sentence to be the same thing. It's like I know we all have mixed feelings about America right now. Politics aside, I've never been more confused by trying to figure out if something is a city, a state. Why do some cities and some states have the same name and then some don't? And then the confidence so much.

SPEAKER_02:

The confidence with which Layla sent me a voice message saying, I just realized that Pennsylvania is a city, not a state. No. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh no, I know it was and it was supposed to be Philly.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you just meant it the other way, but it was so funny. And then I was just really frustrated by American photography. I put it on our Instagram, like who Googled this. Now you're winning, but at one point it was 50% you and 50% Joseph Pilates, and I just missed it, but I almost screenshotted it and said, all I'm gonna say is I've never seen Layla and Joseph Pilates in the same room. We don't know. You could be him.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't wanna say him, but I don't want to be the one to say it. I can't I can't be the one making that claim. So I'm glad that my business partners.

SPEAKER_02:

And the reason that's relevant is because you're still working on building the directory.

SPEAKER_03:

I think I will be forever working on this. I think this is my lifelong project now, is just the story.

SPEAKER_02:

And it's we're getting very, very, very, very close to releasing it all. And that will be.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I just think as a geography major, I know I didn't really do American geography much. And it's just really funny. Did they mess over America? I just don't we don't really centralize America as much as America tends to centralize America. That is so fair, you know. But I just think I to be honest, I also to my own credit, we did I would do like human geography rather than physical geography. It's like the defense I'm like writhing on. But yeah, I've never been so confused in my entire life. Because I think also because I consume a lot of American media, so a lot of names of like cities and states are there in my brain, but I think they're all just muddled together because then you have some states where the city and the state shape shares shares the same name, like New York kind of keeps confusing me.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like we don't even know the state and the No, I failed that that test when we were in third grade. Did you do that in third grade? Yeah, we had to do a capital and a state test, and you had to put them all down. And in my mind, I was like, Well, I can't write the state if I don't also have the capital. So I only had like four down. And my teacher pulled my mom aside and was like, ma'am, she doesn't know any of the ma'am. Ma'am, I have a question.

SPEAKER_03:

What's the cap the capital of what? Each state has a capital. Yeah, yeah. Yes, Layla. They didn't teach us this.

SPEAKER_01:

I know that countries have capitals, but why doesn't all the states have capitals? We're supposed to know them. I could gun to my head, I'm dead. Like it's I can't, I couldn't do it for you. We're supposed to by the age of the ripe age of eight.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't, I don't know most of them still, to be honest. So Lansing. Lansing is the capital of Michigan. What do I got for you? In case anyone wanted to know.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I had I had no knowledge of this. And I've very been confidently walking around telling everyone because I've decided that the NFL I've now made my life longer. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. So I I have like with every other sort of like sport I watch, or like with football, I like became a Manchester United fan because of my best friend. With F1, I chose Ferrari because I just felt I related to, I don't know, I like the history of the team. So then I was like, oh, I want to have an NFL team. Like I need to make my allegiance. My dad is a Bills fan because of his older brother, but I just didn't really want to associate with the Bills. I didn't love, I don't love the blue. Like the blue is nice, but I was like, okay, I want my own team. So I went on to my quest to figure out which NFL team I wanted. And I my god, wait! It just arrived today. Okay, guys. Are you ready? Really? This is this is my team reveal for the team.

SPEAKER_02:

You look so much chipper all of a sudden. The fact that that was like en route in the mail and you didn't know if Pennsylvania was a state. No, I really didn't.

SPEAKER_03:

I I just I'm now even more confused about NFL teams though, because I'm like, so what so does every city have a team? But you guys must have a lot of cities, like you have more cities than states.

SPEAKER_02:

I struggle. I feel like Sarah's more sports knowledgeable than I am.

SPEAKER_01:

With football, American football? Yeah, it's probably and like hockey and stuff. Ice hockey is the best one. City does cut not each city, but some cities. Yeah, not all of them, but like the bigger ones have them. Like Michigan.

SPEAKER_03:

I need to get into the rules now of like NFL, but I like what I see about the team. Like I the thing is also I was like, I don't want to be a band lag.

SPEAKER_02:

What do you like about what you see, Layla?

SPEAKER_03:

They they seem very hardwork, like because I hear that the city also of Philadelphia is very like go-go, like they don't take it like lightly, you know, they're hardworking, they're very like brutal sports fans to the NFL of Philadelphia.

SPEAKER_02:

No, it's Pittsburgh grown.

SPEAKER_01:

We don't like Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_02:

We're not Pittsburgh's biggest fans.

SPEAKER_01:

No, um story for a different day, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Also, the the like so there was two, there was like multiple avenues. I like that's my favorite color of green, like that shade of green. So I was like, okay, I do like Jason Kelsey, but then the nail. Oh, I really like Jalen Hurts, who's the quarterback. I just really like he seems very like focused. And then Hannah Einbinder, when she won her Grammy for hacks, was that Grammy? Whatever it was, she said, I don't know, she's an actress. She said, Go birds, fuck ice, free Palestine. And I was like, I like this woman. I was like, whatever she supports, I like, I like that world. So this is good.

SPEAKER_02:

I like this direction.

SPEAKER_03:

I was like, if she's a fan, I was like, I want to be a fan of whatever she's a fan of, you know, like if this is the fan culture that's being cultivated, I I join that world.

SPEAKER_02:

So maybe we should. I don't really follow American football, but I feel like I know more people here who are super into it than I did in the States.

SPEAKER_04:

Really?

SPEAKER_02:

Because it's such a different like thing. Yeah. Like I'll beep that name. He loved American football and I was always like, okay. Who's that man?

SPEAKER_04:

Who's that?

SPEAKER_02:

Anyway, what else are you doing? Do we have anything else to update on Honeycomb Studios except that it's like coming soon? Yeah. Three weeks. We've been a bit busy. A bit overwhelmed. I filmed a little bit myself explaining why, and then I just didn't post it because I wanted, I was like, I said a lot of things. I was like, Layla's moving soon, and like all these things are going on. And I was like, I'm just speaking for Layla right now, so that's not really fair. But I was like, I definitely overwhelmed. Yeah, I think we're just gonna be able to do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And I think especially track. Go ahead. I was yeah, especially as we're getting close to like the honeycomb launch date, I think there's less now that we want to say because we just want it to be out there in the world, and then maybe we can back date and like talk about things rather than like in the right now. I think we you and I just need to get our head down. I speak for both of us and like me as well. We just need to like get it done. And I would if I had like two hours spare in the week, I would rather put those two hours towards honeycomb. Agreed. Because it's like we are right there at the like finish line, pretty much.

SPEAKER_02:

Exciting. It's very exciting. And something I've noticed just in the last two weeks, doing like editing of oral histories and like making ads and stuff for Honeycomb Studios, it takes so much time. We were kind of do like we were doing that with the clips and stuff on Riverside and with Sticky Notes. And it's like you said, I just didn't the hours that I was spending on sticky notes, I then had to facilitate into the actual thing that sticky notes is supposed to be tracking.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I guess the main thing we can say is we've had we had a photo shoot for photos for the website.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah, we did have a photo shoot. Yeah, yeah, that's one of the main things.

SPEAKER_03:

Rose is in is in we're in the same city right now. We're not together, but we're in the same city.

SPEAKER_02:

Maybe. And I think it'll be the last time we're in the same city for who knows. I mean, maybe the spring. Who knows when you'll come back to visit and when I'll come back to visit. We'll have to time it for sure. Um, but yeah, we've been doing so behind the scenes, and I think you're right. Once it launches, we can back date some info about all of that.

SPEAKER_03:

Um because I think even if we have had the time over the last few weeks, I think either way, I would have been like, let's just get it out into the world. And then I think it's easier to talk about when people know what we want, like when you can see what we are talking about as well. It just all makes more sense.

SPEAKER_02:

Agreed. It just needs to be out there so it can like mold and develop and we can see who it attracts and all that. And today is kind of for sticky notes a pivotal point because we are still going to talk about Honeycomb Studios, but we now have this other layer, the oral histories interviews, which are a part of Honeycomb Studios, and that is going to be kind of like the podcast piece on that side. And then sticky notes, which we want to keep going, we're just changing it up a little bit. We're changing the direction that it's taking. So today Sarah's with us. I don't know. Will she appear in the thing? I think you will. I assume you will.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I could I mean I can see the side of you, but like I said, I don't know if how much you're always in the background getting ready. I was about to ask who that was. Oh, I see that. It's a very hollow outfit.

SPEAKER_01:

Strousers, really fun.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, they're fun. Um is that better?

SPEAKER_01:

If I'm like here.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. Do you want me to move back or are you fine like that?

SPEAKER_03:

I was gonna say you guys are good and you guys are pictured well there. Cause then if it cuts, if it does make any uh little clips, that way we can all show. Because I realize the one thing with the Max and I is Max and I were like so far from one another that yeah, spoiler.

SPEAKER_02:

The full interview will show. But so we're changing the direction of sticky notes a little bit, it'll still track Honeycomb Studios, but we're going to be at times interviewing people in our lives who are just doing interesting things, especially women. I texted Sarah last night and I was like, females in business, that doesn't sound quite right. Why am I using like yeah, the sex term? It's like females in business. It's usually just women giving women in tech. Yeah, it's like like what females in tech, like why? I don't know why. It's like when I think our podcast server is called BuzzAcot, and it's yeah, just not.

SPEAKER_03:

You've been saying it so much that I'm getting confused now. It's just what the name is that I just avoid saying it.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So yesterday when we called, I was like, whatever our podcast hosting platform is, because I just could not think of it. Buzz something. Yeah. Women in women in male dominated fields. You know, to see that when that was trending and supplements. But I think, yeah, I I mean we've touched on it, I think, in one of the last few podcasts where we said either way, we wanted this to sort of also become a bit more of a personal podcast, especially as we both navigate being in different countries and just like moving, so much fun. Yeah, just like the realities of life. And we were talking about how we want, I think the best part of our platform part of this it would be to give an authenticity to of our like to ourselves, because then when people spend much so much time with us through workouts, there's like that emotional connection to who we are. So I think yeah, it will transform into something more of just like a it'll be nice also for you and I to have like weekly catch-ups, and I think a lot of our life will be changing separately over the next few months. So it'll be a way for us to talk about that, our personal lives, and then when we have friends such as guest number one, Sarah, who do very interesting things, um, we can have interviews or just like a conversation.

SPEAKER_02:

And I feel like Layla doesn't, it's good because I obviously know everything you're doing, but Layla maybe doesn't know the details. So maybe you could just give us a little synopsis of what you're doing now. I know there's kind of two avenues. There's I don't know how much you want to talk about your stuff versus like you and Mike's stuff, or like what there's kind of two avenues, but you can explain whichever maybe one at a time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

No, we can also, and then you guys can decide if you want the birdies and bomb stuff in this one, or that can be a whole separate one. And then Mike can come on and talk about that.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, this is fun because I had quite because I see stuff on the Instagram and I like mean to ask. I think this is actually a very good dynamic as well, because like we're saying, I know minimal Rose knows everything. So I feel like I will know Rose will know the good questions to ask in terms of like to dig deeper. Whereas I'm like, give us the basics. I'm like, what the basics of it all. Yeah. But yeah, take it away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So I guess a little bit background about me is I originally studied opera. That's what we were doing for a while. Um, I started training classically when I was about 13. Not related to Pilates. Not oh yeah, that's a really good point. This is I have no Pilates background. Like my one Pilates experience was with Layla. Yeah, I was about to say she took my tower class. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not a bendy girly, I'm not a Pilates girl. I would like to be. We're working on it slowly but surely.

SPEAKER_02:

But you're very strong though.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I'm a I like to pick up heavy things girly. That's more my vibe. And I was a swimmer, I did the whole thing. I really liked your guys' episode talking about your different approaches to coming into fitness and body stuff. I found that really, really relatable. So you guys should definitely reiterate on that like down the line. Like I thought that was so, so interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh I've actually been having a bunch of like new thoughts about that whole like fitnessy stuff. So yeah, I think we're do I mean it'll just go coincide with everything. Like with yourself, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

With yourself, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I mean, a very I don't want to not to take this away, but I just I was having things where it's like I'm meeting people now in a new body almost, it feels. And it's like people that meet me now have a different perception of me than people who have grown up knowing me and seen all the transformations. And that was just throwing me off.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I don't know if this is might be a helpful actually start point, depending on how you guys edit this, but we could talk about whatever. I can whatever. I can kind of go into like how my fitness journey started because it's like kind of intense, and then how that leads to like where I am now with what I do. I feel like it does connect to your like character. Yeah, yeah. So for those, I think you've briefly explained me on the pod before, but we met when we were six years old, best friends since then. And love that heart. Wow. I've always had like a very like contentious relationship, I think, with my body because of my family's. No, it's cut out. My my family's like body stuff. And so from like a very young age, like a six is the first time I remember it. I was like, oh, I don't have a flat tummy. That's a problem. This is something that I don't have that other people seem to. And then us growing up, her starting to wear bikinis, I was like, what the fuck is this? I was like, I don't feel comfortable doing that. And so I took that, it was my own projection of my own stuff. And I was a swimmer my whole life. I played, well, I'd say soccer or football, pretty active. And then when I started singing training and focusing more on theater, I stopped swimming, but I kept eating like a swimmer, and I put on weight like that. And I would call it I would have been, I think I gained a lot of weight when we were like 15, 16.

SPEAKER_02:

Which is a confusing thing. It's a hard time as well. Yeah, I have titties.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I'm my stuff has been all over the map. And then all of a sudden I put on all this weight, but I like to call it potato on sticks because it's I have no fat on my butt. Yeah, it being sorry, yeah, it being my body. And I like I was it took me a second.

SPEAKER_02:

I was like, I was trying to nod like potato, totally.

SPEAKER_01:

It being me. It is me. We're still working on the self-love dialogue.

SPEAKER_02:

But but Layla had a similar, we talked about this. You like went on your way fit thing. Called me obese. And it was like, you are at the age of 10.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and you're I think also similarly to like you having Rose, I had my cousin who obviously also male bodies like just burn through calories, and he's like, could eat like a horse and like struggle to gain weight. And so I was like, I'm eating the same as him, but it's coming out differently on my body versus his body. And like I like you're saying, like, I was like, kind of like to you when you stopped swimming, you're like, hmm, this this is different.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and also just like how I was going through puberty versus all my other friends was so it was vastly different. Like, if you look at any photos of us from when we're little, I shot up and my two best friends are literally like at my boob, like I look like their mother in these photographs, and my tits are huge, and everyone else is a child, and we're all I mean, we're all children, but I don't look like a child. And then it didn't really equal out until I was older, but then I'd put on a bunch of weight because I had stopped exercising basically because I was only focusing on music and acting. And we went to the gym together.

SPEAKER_02:

No one's telling you how to eat. I don't know what they're like educating people on now. We had good examples from our parents, but we weren't like I don't know, you don't know. I didn't know how the how and what to eat. Yeah. Like when do you learn that?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And I I think yeah, we're gonna be like trial and error.

SPEAKER_01:

Truly, truly trial and error. And I don't know, I think like my I've always been, I think, hyper aware, which is funny because of what I do now, which is like in the singing space, in the acting space, like you have to be very aware of how you come across and how you look. And I wonder if that's always connected because I've always been hyper, hyper focused on that and not necessarily in a positive way, which I think is better now, but it's I mean, learning is not linear, anyways. But I remember we would go to the I know you've told the story before. We like we would go to the gym in the morning, run on the elliptical for like 45 minutes, do weights, then go to class. And I weighed myself one of these mornings and had full breakdown on the treadmill when I was actually like faced with the number. And Rosie says it was one of the worst things.

SPEAKER_02:

I think you had a number in your brain that if it was a certain number, you would be like bro.

SPEAKER_01:

If I weighed 125 pounds, like in my head, that is a perfect amount of weight. I don't know why. It's very arbitrary and not realistic to like my body size as a person, but I've always been like, oh, if I were in the 190s, if I were in the 190s, like what you see in the media. But I think I hit uh I hit 170. I don't know what that is in kilos, but it was someone do that quick math. Someone do that quick math real quick. It's roughly half, I think. I it's like two point I know it's two point two if you're swapping two. So it's something like that. And which is objectively not healthy for my body type, and I wasn't putting in the I I wasn't eating healthily. I was eating two Nutellocreps a day. We were we were in this little bit of a struggle city situation there. But then I very quickly was like off. I don't eat carbohydrates, everything kind of disappears.

SPEAKER_02:

She day and night cut out all of it was not good. Beige was gone.

SPEAKER_03:

You are my sole sister. I did keto at 16 and have been recovering from keto trauma ever since.

SPEAKER_01:

What is what does keto mean?

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

No carbs, basically. And from the and similar the way I carry my weight is very top heavy and in my face. And I had teachers coming up to me, people in school being like, You look so much better. It was reinforced that all of a sudden I was attractive, and thus being smaller. It just reinforced everything that I had ever thought, which is really sad.

SPEAKER_02:

That's so crazy. Yeah. And then what are you supposed to do with that information? Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly. So that led to just years of yo-yoing. And I think now I'm in the best place I've ever been with my relationship to food. That doesn't mean it's perfect at all. I I wish there was more. I love that you guys are talking about this on here because I think we have this idea of like body positivity. Like, what does that mean? That has so many different, that's a different definition for different people. But I think we still live in a culture that like smaller is better. I think that's I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

I think it's harder now more than ever because everyone is on Ozempic or GLP1s. I mean, every celebrity influencer, any media that is coming out from the Western world, people are, I mean, animal east, everyone is becoming out smaller and smaller. Like it is just that stereotype of being and just classic surgery.

SPEAKER_02:

We talk about this a lot. It is so confusing mentally to look at women who are older than you and see that they've clearly had work done. And if everyone's doing it, you're like, like I don't I don't have any judgment towards people who do it personally. Do what you want if it makes you happy, it makes you happy. I would rather not, but it's hard to say that when you're like, I also don't want to look 15 years older than everyone.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I think my only judgment is everyone's getting the same nose job and the same filler. So then everyone is kind of the same. Yeah. My judgment is that people aren't doing it. It's kind of I saw I heard talk to this girl the other day and she was like, it was great. I got like a groupon from my Botox. And I was like, if I'm doing groupon, I'm not doing it with something I'm injecting in my face. Let me pay premium prices for anything that's going around the one. Yeah. And I I think the the sadness of it is just making everyone so uniform. That to me, it's not so much wanting to change what you look like. Like there are things still about my body that if I were in the financial position to do so, I'd totally go do a quick fix. Maybe I'll feel differently in five to ten years, depending on how my healing journey goes. And I think that's always a moving train based on how you feel. So zero judgment to people that feel like they need to. It's but just do it for yourself for the right reasons and not to look like your favorite Instagram blogger.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm glad that we Layla, do you feel like how do you feel emotionally in your body now versus how you were feeling when you were heavier? Do you feel because you weren't unhealthy? Like, do you feel emotionally different?

SPEAKER_03:

Feel very emotionally different. I think also when I'm trying to think of if I look back at photos, I also think I was much heavier than I think I realized I was then, but just healthy in terms of I was active and moving. I probably wasn't eating the healthiest. I think I feel so much more confident in myself and in my body, but it doesn't actually come from the weight that's been lost. It comes from the habits that I've built in this last year with the working out and the I think also the distinction. I think so much of the confidence has come from a lot of mental work, like therapy vibe work, the people that I have in my life, also the goals that I've achieved physically, but not because I leaned out to do it, just the strength that I have now to be able to do it, like competing the higher rocks was like a really big thing for me. So I think I carry myself very differently.

SPEAKER_02:

What did you just run? You ran a half marathon 10K? No, my 10K. Yeah, yeah. I ran my 10K. Sarah and I did a 10K. We won.

SPEAKER_01:

The hardest thing we have ever we didn't win. It was so hard. Yeah. Well, also the finish line wasn't at the you would think like a race starts and ends at the same place.

SPEAKER_02:

No, no, on the course, the finish line was she's gonna struggle to find the water, I think, in pie. Oh, she found it. It's hidden in a cubby. Um just make sure you put it back after you pour something. Um my heavens. Poor thing. Having an issue down, sing it down. The start line, you went through the start line again at the end of the race before then getting to the finish line. So we saw what we thought was the finish line and we are like booking it. And it wasn't that much further, it was maybe 500 more meters or something, but it was so it was so so so hard. So running is no joke, but we haven't talked about your 10k.

SPEAKER_03:

How did it go? It went really well. I uh shaved off about four minutes between my last 10k and this one. Yeah, it was this this is equal. Um I think a lot of it Layla, kind of they're actually all for me.

SPEAKER_02:

Layla or Sarah just poured three glasses of water, and I was like, her brain is like three people are here.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm gonna choke a few more times while I'm choking.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, fine. Wait, I'm curious your answer to that question too. Is did you feel emotionally different after you lost a bunch of weight? Like in a any positive ways, or with because I'm just curious, is it something where you lose this weight and your body looks different and then you realize, oh, I actually don't feel much, I don't feel happier?

SPEAKER_01:

Um it's a really good question. I think unfortunately, I actually did feel better in a lot of ways because I have too high of a barometer of my self-worth based on my size. And I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. I think that's something I still really, really need to continue to work on. But I am objectively happier when I'm fit. I think my definition of what that looks like has changed now that I'm older. And my body has been through so many different stages. So now instead of desiring a body type that doesn't, wouldn't work for me, that is just not obtainable unless I were to go through like insane surgery. I'm happy when I'm consistently lifting, I'm consistently cycling, I'm doing things that I know are good for me, not just physically but mentally as well. Because I also get so much the brain fog just clears when I'm more active. And that I think I value next to also just feeling like I'm looking good. Yeah. So I I mean, I think unfortunately for me, yeah. When I'm when I'm in shape, I'm happier overall.

SPEAKER_02:

You feel the same way, Layla?

SPEAKER_03:

I have like, I think two answers to it. I think the first time I lost a lot of weight, which was when I was like 16, 17, and did it in an yeah, I did it in a very unhealthy way. So that is when I did keto, cut out all carbs, dropped probably at that point like 15 to 20 kilos over the span of like four months, which is like an extortion of number. That was literally that was amazing. Yeah, and it was a similar thing where everyone in my circle, like family and extended family and then friends, it was just like kind of similar to you, like all much so many compliments, and just so complimentary in terms of wow, you look so good now, and it's like okay, and you just do the equation of I look good now, so I did not look good then. Like that just is what you reinforce to yourself. But because when I lost the weight, I mean, I look back at photos now and I weigh probably a similar weight now than I did then when I lost. The weight, and I just my mom and I always say, like, you could see how unhappy I was like, I looked sullen around the eyes, like it was a very unhealthy weight loss, and I think it proved to me that I did not become happier when I lost weight, and that wasn't the solution, and nothing really changed. I like I was still stuck with my same problems and I was still the same person. So I was actually, I think, more unhappy when I lost weight that first time because everything was proven to me in terms of okay, so you like me more now when I lost the weight. But also I've done it in such an unhealthy way, like I was just deeply unhappy. So then yo-yo lost gain and lost weight a lot over the next few years after that, just trying to recover. And then this time around, it's been a completely different weight loss process. And I think to what I had been, what I was saying in terms of I carry myself very differently now, but it's because of the I think community I have at the gym like at F 45, which I've talked about too much, but the community of people there accomplishing the 10K, the high rocks, and like my strength ability alongside work teaching and being an instructor, which requires a certain level of control over people and a room and a confidence in that sense. All of that, and then like people in my daily life and the people that are not in my daily life anymore, all of that has given me a confidence and a self-worth that I think people might attribute to weight loss, but it actually has nothing to do with the way my body looks. It's to do with everything else that's gone on internally and the people I surround myself with and just teaching, especially. I actually give a lot of credit to that, like being an instructor. And then a physical challenge is like being able to run a 10K, which of course I know that I run it faster now than I would have at my heavier weight, but it's not actually the time goal in terms of, oh, I'm lean, so I ran it fast. It was just like the skill of like I put in time and I worked hard for this, and this is the result. But I think if you just look at me, like for people who don't know me that well, if you see me now in this smaller body and the way I carry myself, you might think, oh, she's lost weight, so she thinks more highly of herself. But it was very different this time around. But it's a similar, it's still a hard battle of like constantly trying to or making sure to remind myself that it's not I'm trying not to attribute self-worth to the way I look, because obviously we all know that is just like a recipe for a disaster. Yeah. So you have to sort of, and I also know it's probably equally as bad, just in different ways, to attribute so much self-worth to strength and speed as well. Like I know that can be a whole other rabbit hole of like overtraining and working too much and like getting down. So I'm trying to just trying to be balanced, but God knows balance is a hard thing to find. So I'm just trying to take it baby steps, but yeah, hopefully there's an answer somewhere in that.

SPEAKER_01:

I think, I mean, I think the answer is as long as you're focusing on the things that, as your mom would always say, like spark joy and you're doing all of that simultaneously. That I think now I'm the happiest I've been because I'm the most focused on like my path forward with what I want to do with my life. And that goes hand in hand with being in the healthiest relationship I've ever been in, with my relationship with food and with working out. And all of that, you're right. Like it just it all happens to coincide with being in a smaller body, but there's a lot of other things that are attributing to why that is happening. It's not just eating less and working out. There are a lot of other things that are nourishing my soul, which makes me feel better. And what are those things? What are you what what are yeah, what are you focused on or working towards? Well, this past year I've decided to focus on a solo singing career, which I've been I've been doing music my whole life since I was like 13, even before that, but that's when I started training, and that went through years of music school, and then I came to London originally to do drama school. And then just this past year I did a concert with a friend where he I had helped him with some music. Shout out Dom, he's an amazing, amazing man. He got busy, life got busy, and I just kind of tried my own hand at writing music and it ended up going surprisingly well. And now I'm set to release my first single in I'm hoping November 3rd. We'll see.

SPEAKER_02:

Um exciting.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so you've kind of seen like the evolution of uh Sable Row, which is my is there an origin story?

SPEAKER_02:

Maybe you told me.

SPEAKER_01:

Sable, I just like stage name. Yeah, yeah. So Sable, I just like the name. Roe is a family name, and it's actually my great-grandmother's maiden name, and she always wanted to be a performer. And so I have a pin that I always wear on my jackets that whenever I sing that was hers. So I kind of feel like she's with me in like a funny little way. Um, Emma Saxon Rowe, she's a badass. So yeah, it it's all happened very quickly, but kind of coinciding with what Rosie's doing with your guys' business. How do you build that? How do you make it in a world where everything is so accessible via phones and you can make your own website and you can do all this stuff? But how do you set yourself in your own lane with all the other voices out there? Um because I'm sure you guys get that with like other Pilates studios and other people doing similar-ish things. How do you I can't say this word differentiate?

SPEAKER_02:

Differentiate.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm super dyslexic, so you know.

SPEAKER_02:

Do you want to talk on on that note? Do you want to talk about TikTok and your relationship? Because Layla does anything TikTok for us, which we're not huge into TikTok, but I don't even know anything about it. But I've heard you talk a bit about like it's just like Me and Sarah are out here commenting on each other.

SPEAKER_03:

Her and I are in the trenches of TikTok together. Truly, she's like my biggest fan. The first person I see who will like, ooh, I'll just see Sarah. I'm like, yep. And I go and I'm like, time to spam like her. I love it.

SPEAKER_02:

And there's been a few times Layla's been like, Do you want the login info for the TikTok? And I'm like, it's scary.

SPEAKER_01:

There's just so much noise out there, and I don't know what it's like in the stuff that you guys are working on and doing, but in the singing thing, everyone and their mother wants to be a singer. So I'm like, how do I like show my personality also that I got a banging voice? But then also I like have to brand myself. I now have a a brand image coordinator, my sister, but she's really building this world and she's crushing it. Shout out Stephanie, we love Babu. But um that's what it is. It's just like you have to create, like literally forage your own story and build it out. And it's, I find it, I understand why they're teams of people that is this is their professional job, because it is so overwhelming.

SPEAKER_03:

A hundred and like kind of like you were saying, in terms of everything being accessible, like building your own website and phones and things like that. I think it's also can be hard to figure out okay, what do I want to outsource and where can I where should I be bringing on a team to help me? And what can I do myself and figure out? And even that alone can be a lot, just like that decision is quite a big one. And it obviously can be detrimental to a success of a career. And so I think it also meant means that a lot of people feel as though. I mean, look at us at our little podcast. People are probably thinking, make it more expensive. These gals are yapping in our ear. But it's that, you know, where drawing that line of where it when to outsource or figuring out when to outsource, when to invest, and what to invest in. It's it's a lot, whether it's a business or a TikTok or whatever it is. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

No, definitely the dream is to outsource as much as possible. But I am finding the joy in being able to flex this creative muscle that I never really thought I would. And how do I want to build up Sable? I have notes and notes and pages and pages of who Sable is to me and what does that mean and what does that feel like, and how do I convey that in my shows and when I'm recording? And it's really freeing and it's really fun, but I find the immediate results of social media really daunting. Because I'm Sarah and I will text each other and be like, I got this many views, I got this many views.

SPEAKER_02:

It's such an endless inferno.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And especially like, I know, I know I have addict wiring. I know it's why I've struggled with things in the past. And so to get like that dopamine hit, but then that like dopamine crash of like only 150 views on this one, and like my last one got 15,000.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm like, yeah, it's just and it's such a the algorithm is so confusing. Like I don't know why some things work and some things don't. And also I think I was yeah, I was having a hard time with it because I kept thinking, oh, I should be posting like day in the life content, but I was really struggling with it because I just forget to film clips during my day.

SPEAKER_02:

Like sober things, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, and I just kind of want to enjoy my day, and like the idea of like filming all that content would really stress me out to the point where I just wasn't posting anything. And then the other or a week or two ago, I had the epiphany of right, well, if you're not gonna post that, figure out what is going to be easy for you to post. And that has led to me like almost crashing out on my TikTok every day, just like posting kind of. But I'm now actually having fun with it because I'm like, oh, okay, this is actually enjoyable to me. And it's probably not gonna make this art get the same amount of views as something else would. But ultimately, the goal is not necessarily to build much on social media. Luckily, I don't have to in terms of it's more so just like a way for people to figure out my personality when you want to come to my Pilates class. Although I was talking to someone and they were saying it is kind of really important in the Middle East to like be getting into the social media world. And I was like, Oh, great, my least favorite part of my job.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh no, my my singing coach, and like she's worked with some really, really famous people, and she's like, you just gotta bite the bullet and do it because we live in a world now where if you don't have the numbers, like some people don't touch you. And I'm sure to like some extent that's very true. And I really value her advice, thus, I am doing the whole TikTok thing. I also like to think that it can't always be like that. Like it can't just be like these TikTok kids that are getting these contracts, and then I mean, there's a lot of stories of people that go viral on TikTok, they all of a sudden get these careers. They go and they do a live show, but they've never performed live before and they crash out, and it's just it's not sustainable. So I think like everything, it's a pendulum swing.

SPEAKER_02:

And and with outsourcing things, I feel like the second we don't have to manage Honeycomb Studios Instagram and whatever and could hand it off to someone else.

SPEAKER_03:

That's no, I'm I'm hanging on to the stories because I want to continue to post my Bogeye stories. I will I love those.

SPEAKER_02:

Those are my favorite thing of all time. I love them. And actually on that note, I was telling Tristan yesterday that I I have been having more fun with social media than I ever have. And that has been a super nice reminder that it can be silly, it can be super fun.

SPEAKER_03:

That's kind of what we were saying with the TikTok. Like to me, the less seriously I'm taking it in terms of also to me, I struggled with the idea of perception. I feel like everyone likes the idea of people being able to see me and like my my authenticity, but also I think the thing that differentiates me to other Pilates content creators or like book content creators is not going to be how good my editing is or my opinions. I think it's the fact that I'm more willing to be honest and open and authentic. And so that is what I'm riding on as my niche. So I think allowing myself to be sillier and just like post whatever on social media, kind of like you're saying, has been has caused me to enjoy it and actually have fun. Whereas before it was just the bait of my existence.

SPEAKER_02:

So and as you start to build like our little community, even like with sticky notes, is not and honeycomb studios is not big by the stretch of anyone's imagination, but this is such a fun phase that I'm trying to enjoy because the people who are engaging with it are people that we know and like and can laugh with. So I love when I post something about us or of us, and the people I know are the people who are responding and clearly also just laughing with us about it. That I think will be way more fun than random username liking something that we're doing. Hey, but you know, bring on all the random usernames. But like please join.

SPEAKER_01:

Please like me. There's this break with a quote that my it was a meme my sister sent me, and it was like the desire to be seen, but the fear of being known. Oh my god. And it's it's so true.

SPEAKER_02:

It's so true. And it's also tough because in many ways I feel like you have to have social media now to build something. And maybe that's a fallacy, maybe that's not really the case, but kind of feels like the case.

SPEAKER_03:

I think it's such an connected world. I think that that is how you get out there. I mean, even if it's that you could, even if it's like you could find success without it, yes, but your competitors are going to be on it and pushing for it, and that's going to give them even more success that you could have had as well. So I fear it's social media.

SPEAKER_02:

Sarah, where do you envision Sable Row in 10 years or whenever frame? Five years, 10 years.

SPEAKER_01:

So, well, my mini goal is to by next year be able to open for like a semi-big act and go on tour doing that. But like I plan to be as big as like Madonna. That's really what we're aiming for. That Annie Lennox, Brandy Carlisle, who we're going to see tomorrow, which I'm very excited about. Um yeah, it's just it's kind of like a full send situation.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know, Layla, I don't know if you feel this way because we've never really talked about like specific goals of Honeycomb Studios because we're great business. Worldwide domination. Seriously, people ask me what are your goals? And people ask me if I have like financial goals or membership goals or whatever. And I don't even know what I say, but in my head, I'm like, as much as I possibly as many people as I can connect, that is my goal. Like I don't really understand why there's a I understand that you have to take it in bite-sized chunks, but I don't I'm not there's no number we'll get to where I'm like, well, I don't understand. Also, people that are like, well, like realistically, it's like fuck that. Realistically what? Like I've had so I've had a few people recently say to me, I'll be talking to them about Honeycomb Studios and at some point in the conversation, and these are like good friends, they'll they'll they'll be like, Oh wait, uh so so are you you're planning on making money from it? And I'm like Yeah, yes, thank you very much. So the purpose being, then you can just do like I really, really, really am excited about what it is. So I want to be able to put as many resources back into it and like be we believe so much in that classical world. Invest in other things that I want to do, that we want to do. Like it's not just to have you know resources sitting there.

SPEAKER_03:

The financial, I think, was like the last thing we even really thought of because I remember the day you messaged me, like, hey, I've just run the numbers. And like, if we were to even get X amount of, I think it was like a hundred people, and we like figured out how much we would be like generating, and then we were like, oh wow, like that's that's a good chunk of change.

SPEAKER_04:

It's max. It's a max. It is a good chunk of change, but you're right.

SPEAKER_03:

That was like step 10 of thinking about it, even because I think it's funny we had this conversation last night, but I I haven't told the podcast audience. I and a lot of people have been asking me, they're like, Oh, how do you and Rose sort of like or what cap would you say that you wear in terms of the business? And I think you and I have just naturally been able to divide things so equally, and it's really funny. You were describing it yesterday, yeah. And so I because I was joking around with some of the guys at F45, and one of them was like, Oh, what are you? CEO, COO, CF, like which hat do you want? And I said, I was like, let me hit you with the reality of the situation. I said, My business partner is the dreamer between the two of us. I said, She is like chief, and I said chief work thing off, maybe even like COO. I was like, she is just as like any dream, it's coming out of her. And I said, it is so perfect because kind of exactly what you were saying, Sarah, like you have to dream big. Dreams are not supposed to be realistic. You need to go out there and you it's the whole thing, you shoot for the moon, even if you fail, you land among the stars. Like that is the whole point. It's like you dream big. Dreams are not supposed to, and I saw I think one of the like life inspirational TikTokers say something along those lines as well. But it's so true. It's that you have to dream big and whatever happens, happens. But I think between Rose and I, she's definitely the one that's really championing the big dreams. Like, you know, I wake up to messages of let's go on a retreat. Many, let's have merch. And I love it because I need someone to really pull me along. Whereas I'm a little bit more grounded between the two of us, whether it's happened naturally, whether it's just like a counterbalance to her, I'm a bit more, okay. So, what dead what's the deadline looking like? You know, what's the budget? How are we gonna allocate? How are we gonna make sure it actually happens? And I think I bring us down to earth a bit more. So it's like, I think in that term, I'm like, I'm the CFO because this I'm like the more serious one, the one that sort of everyone's like, oh god, the finance team are coming in. Like she's she's gonna come and tell us it's not in budget or whatever. And then our marketing team and like our the team that are building out our website be more designed. I was like, they're like low-key our CEO because they're keeping us in check.

SPEAKER_02:

And we're like, what's that? Like I I will thank Nikki every day of my life. Yeah. I also think as I I feel like Sarah will understand this, and Layla, I'm sure you will too. But there and it's no, this isn't judgment. It's going to sound like judgment. When I speak to people about Honeycomb Studios or what Sarah's doing, there are people who get it and there are people who don't. Like there are people who understand what that means to be like going and doing something, and there's people who don't get it. And that's fine. I'm almost envious of the people who are like, what? How did that make like what are you doing? Hold on. Like, I'm not, you know, I don't know. How do you feel? Do you feel that sentiment as well?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, completely. Because I also think that people think that there's a very specific way that you have to do things. We talk about this all the time, how you have university, and I think education as a whole, unfortunately, has shifted away from learning and being excited about learning into how do you get a good degree, whatever the fuck that means, to go get a good job. And then you're just kind of like plugged into different systems here and there, where I think what all three of us are doing are we're creating our own system. And I mean, just from my lens, musically speaking, most people that write songs, I think it's a bit more fluid, but the way I go about it is completely different than how apparently people are supposed to. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Actually, I when I went to Sarah's show in Putney, which she's also doing another show on the 14th.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah. If you're free, Layla, please come. But I think you're moving actually by then. On the 14th? October or November? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

October. Oh no, I should be able to make it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yay! That's so fun. You can meet Sarah's mom. And my grandmother.

SPEAKER_04:

That would actually make sense.

SPEAKER_02:

I was just saying when I went to Sarah's first show, her guitarist afterwards I was talking to, because he's amazing. Like world-class guitar. And he was telling me that Sarah came to him with a fully formed. He said, usually our singers come to me and they have like a loose idea of something, but it'll start from him and he'll design chord progression, all the things, and then they'll fill in the lyrics. He's like, Sarah came to me with a full song, start to finish in her head. He's like, I've never ever worked with anyone who has done that before, and it actually worked really well. Because it's not, you're also not the kind of person who, and Layla's really good at this too. You don't show up somewhere and say, okay, this is how this is it. This is what I'm bringing to the table. And if it's not exactly what I'm envisioning, um over it, you recognize the skill this person has and bring this fully fleshed out song to him. And you're like, what do you like? You bring your asset to this now and you see what happens. And it's been amazing.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. No, and it was coming from two complete opposite ends of how that works. And I think that a lot of people that have dreams of doing anything, like you, of course, like you look up like how do people do this? What are the steps? How do you follow it? But then I think the people that break away and are actually really successful are the ones that come up with their own systems and figure out their own way of going about it, which is why, like, I know I'm gonna be incredibly successful. I know you guys are gonna be incredibly successful. I have no doubts about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I think it's also it's and I want to try to find the unfortunately it's another TikTok, but I can find the, I want to repost because I want to find the speaker who was talking about it. No, but it was actually very motivational. I mean, he's a motivational speaker. It just so happens that the clip was going viral on TikTok. But it was talking about the courage to like face failure and and embarrassment and like putting yourself out there, which is ultimately what stops a lot of people from doing exactly what we are doing. I'm sure a lot of people have ideas or have aspirations, whether it be music or career, but the fear of failure of putting themselves out there, whether it be on social media or you know, having something that people deem unsuccessful, is what stops them from doing it. And that to me is almost more embarrassing than for us to try something and for it to not succeed. And it was the person who talking about how so many people say, you know, talk about what they want or and they'd be like, okay, they wanted XYZ business or whatever, but they didn't even, they don't even have a failure to show for it. They just didn't do it because they're like, no, it's not gonna work out. And it was the idea of trial, like trialing something. Who knows? It immediately doesn't work out, but you have to believe in yourself that it will. But ultimately, you have to put yourself out there. You can't just sit and, you know, say, oh, well, it's too hard or it's embarrassing. And it is, I mean, it's not easy to put yourself out there, but ultimately it I saw and then there was another quote. It was like, you know, jump and the net will appear, you know, put yourself out there and it will it'll figure itself out.

SPEAKER_01:

My first flop as a songwriter was writing a rewrite to Party in the USA by Miley Cyrus, but about heroin for our seventh grade health project. Oh and flop or bop. Flop? I feel like it was a bop. I feel like I feel like the flop. I want to see this. It's somewhere on like the bowels of my mother's garage band on like the home computer. But it was really like heroin's got me addicted. Like it was kind of like girl would sing it again.

SPEAKER_02:

Sarah also has always had this confidence at summer camp. There was this thing that we did where at some point you would sit with your cabin, and at some point someone would yell, freeze, and everyone had to freeze no matter what you were doing. And the first person who moved had to clear up the dishes. And Sarah got out of it by performing while people were going through the charade of freezing and like whatever. And she would stand up on the table at summer camp in the dining hall and sing jingle bell rock.

SPEAKER_01:

And no one She said, I'm not touching a dish. No. The motivation was real for not touching a dish. But because the game, the game was you had to make people break, and whoever broke and laughed was the one that had to clean up. And I was like, I have eczema. I'm not touching the soapy dishwall, like I'm not doing it. So you gotta do what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_02:

And there's such a range of confidence in kids, obviously. No one else was doing that. Standing, literally standing on the table among the dishes, singing your heart out at like 13, 12.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. But also, but my net was Rosie, you know. So even it, like, even if it it I mean, it crushed, let's be clear. It crushed. But like if it had enough, like Rosie was right there and she was always gonna be my best friend. Like it didn't matter. So I think we've been really lucky in all our friendship that we have the space to take really big swings, and it doesn't really matter what happens. Like the outcome's not important.

SPEAKER_02:

Like I have that now. Obviously, I've always had that with you, but in terms of the business setting, I also have that with Layla, where I can say whatever the dream is, and you've you never shut it down. And we have very positive conversations. We always have very positive conversations about what we're what we're working on and what that means. And you have that with me also, but with Mike, you have this person Mike, prison Mike, that's what we call her boyfriend from the office, prison Mike. And he is he's there for the ride, yeah, not just the end result.

SPEAKER_01:

And he gives I think he gives me Layla, kind of what you give Rosie is like he ineffectively, as of right now, is my manager. And anything that I say, any concept, he's like, right, let's do it. And then he's helping me behind the scenes figure it out and doing the stuff that I'm not that I can't be bothered, but just my brain isn't good at, you know?

SPEAKER_02:

Fair and there's so much shit, you guys, that has to be done to advertise yourself, get content out there. That even the conversations Layla and I have had about what to charge for things literally will be like, so what do you think? So what do you think? We have one conversation about how often we want it to be paid. Every decision you have to make yourself, and it's exhausting, super rewarding and fun, but exhausting.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. And I think in my field at least, you have conglomerates that decide that, and big music corporations that are building these artists that don't necessarily write their own stuff. So I will say, while I'm kind of livid, I haven't been discovered on the streets, and it's not just like handed to me. It's also super, super rewarding that I'm figuring out my sound, I'm figuring out who my team is, I'm building what I want Sable Rowe's world to look like and the space that she gets to operate in. And I know at the end of the day, I'm gonna be really grateful that I've had the grassroots effort from the bottom working my way up because it's just it's more fun and it's more creatively liberating.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. And it's gonna be so cool to watch it all happen for that same reason as well, you know. Yeah, so come to my show.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Well, I will put it on the account. I think it also shows you how important the people in your life are, especially the closest people to you. You obviously I'm the single Pringle between the three of us, but you're both in very happy, healthy relationships.

SPEAKER_02:

Single Pringle. Is that a phrase? Single Pringle? You're also kidding, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, how old are you again? You're 20. 23. Jesus girl. I was you don't even want to know what I was doing in 23. It was it was a rough time. Single Pringle's the best thing. It's so much fun.

SPEAKER_03:

Like I think single Pringle, I'm pretty sure that phrase like predates you guys as well. I don't that's not like a Gen Z thing. That is like a I think that's a millennial thing.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe even a boomer thing.

SPEAKER_03:

That's what I say. It's like a not a young hip term. But I think that what were you gonna say? I was gonna say, I think the people you surround yourself with, especially the closest people to you, can sort of make or break you in terms of they can be your biggest supporters or they can be the people that pull you back in terms of oh, that's not achievable. Why would you even try? Or oh no, that's embarrassing. And I think I just I'll speak about Tristan because obviously I haven't met Mike, but I remember when I met Rosie's husband, Tristan, at the pie dinner, he had he has such a pure, like golden energy. And I just remember watching the way they interacted and just him as a person. And I was like, okay, if this is the biggest with respect to Sarah, but this is like the biggest other like most important person in her life, then it it was almost just something that I mentally took note of because he's a big part of your life. You are now becoming a big part of my life. Like our business is almost like a marriage or a relationship, and it was important to me to see who was in your close circle or who was important to you. So I think when I met him, I only got green flags and like just good energy as an individual. And it's not like he's a part of any of our. Yeah, I was finna I thought I had told you this before.

SPEAKER_02:

He literally so funny you say that today because yesterday he was like, Can you give me Layla's phone number? I think I needed to check in on her. And I was like, Yeah, for sure. He's like worried about the pressure of the business. I'm like, are you okay?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, yeah, I just I really thought I had said this. Oh, well, here we go. This is a mess. Shout out Tristan. But I just I was like, okay, I like the way I could see the way he was like supporting and caring of you. But I was just like, okay, this is a person in her corner, and whoever is going to be the close, like your b partner in life, this ultimately this business will have direct or indirect effects on them. Um, and I just want someone in your life who is positive and is going to be supportive for you as this business grows, hopefully. Like, I wouldn't want you to be with someone who was like, what is this dream? And obviously, you had been dreaming about this with him before I was even in the picture because you were laughing business.

SPEAKER_02:

I was like, You're so right, Layla. So the right people find each other, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03:

And you made a brief mention. Made a brief mention about Mike and this being the happiest or healthiest relationship you've been in. Do you want to tease anything? No, you were saying like bird and bald. I I know we're close for time. Is there anything you wanted to tease with that?

SPEAKER_02:

No doubt. We we can definitely do another. I'm gonna go pee while you explain and then we can wrap it up when I come back. I have French tutoring.

SPEAKER_01:

No, so Mike. We need to do a part two. Because I feel like I could just talk to you for and no serious the fact that like I'm really upset that as she runs away into the distance, I'm super bummed that we haven't hung out more before you have left. Because like you are you are my type of person. Like every time Rosie talks about you, I'm like, she sounds sick as fuck, dude.

SPEAKER_03:

When you are also everything you're speaking about now, I'm like, I think this girl and I have lived the exact same life just in terms of like everything when we were talking about like food and like body and fitness. I'm like, I see my future.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's nice.

SPEAKER_04:

She's happy and healthy.

SPEAKER_01:

And it there is such another, I think when you're so aware of it, it can be such a curse in so many ways. But you find the blessings on the flip side once you do the healing stuff. And that is it's just not a straightforward journey.

SPEAKER_03:

But yeah, we should do a you and I should grab coffee when Rosie's sorry, Rosie. When she leaves, you and I will go for coffee. The only good thing, I'm gonna say the good thing about not respectfully, I'm almost like I'm kind of glad that I don't have another connection that I'm going to miss. I'm like, I'm good, I will miss this friendship with you either way. But like had I been even more attached, it's like another person I'm losing. So I'm like semi- all right building at long distance, but no, I I wish we had been, we should have been, but anyways.

SPEAKER_01:

No, we shouldn't. Well, I mean, you're gonna come back. You're gonna come back, so it's all good. Yeah. And we are forever connected. We're I know, like you can't get rid of me, girl. Like it's it's like this, it's locked in now.

SPEAKER_03:

Literally. Okay, birds and birdies are what birdies and bombs.

SPEAKER_01:

So, Mike, my I mean, his story is so fascinating. I'm so excited for you guys to talk to him because he went from like literally cusp of having a professional rugby career to life-changing injury, to what the fuck do I do now? And is now a semi-professional virtual golfer, which is a story in its own self. But his business, which he launched spring of last year, is called Birdies and Bombs, and it's a golf-specific fitness training. And watching him kind of go through the same thing that Rosie is. She's bad, she's bang. But Runy's been he's been built, he doesn't have a business partner. I'm the closest thing he has to a business partner, and just building it ground up in this space that doesn't have a lot of fit fitness instructors. He's kind of really pioneering the space in the virtual world and just golf fitness in general, which isn't a huge, huge thing. Um, but his story is really cool. Like you guys are really gonna enjoy talking to him and hearing the pitfalls and the things that we've run into building up his stuff has been wild.

SPEAKER_02:

We'll have to do part two for sure. We have to wrap it up, but part two and lots more people to come.

SPEAKER_01:

So we have a theme song. There's a birdies and bombs theme song, I'll send it to you. It's fucking hysterical.

SPEAKER_03:

I was gonna say, we need to get you to do our theme song for sticky notes, yeah. Can I write one for you guys?

SPEAKER_02:

Can you write one?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, consider it done.

SPEAKER_02:

So fun. Well, that's it for now. Ciao for now. See you tomorrow, Layla. Bye. See you, ladies. Bye.

SPEAKER_01:

You hit yeah.