Parenting for the Launch Years: Support Without Control

So as you said, my name's Rob Finley. I am a father of four young adults, but my other day job is I'm also an entrepreneur. run commercial real estate technology and other businesses.

Yeah, the book is actually Hey Dad. Okay. And it's everything you should have learned but didn't as you start your adulting life. It was actually started and the idea came because imagine this middle of the night, you get a call. And for me as an adult and having a parent of four kids, getting a call in the midnight and in middle of the night is always something that's terrifying. And so I get this call, pick up the phone, my heart's panicked.

freaking out. What's wrong? And it's Hey, dad, I'm at the gas station. Can I put the green gas in my Jeep? I'm like, what? First of all, have to, I have to, have to decompress quite a bit. Right. And I'm like, what do mean? Great. Right. She was asking if she could put diesel in her her gasoline vehicle. And at that point, I was like, Oh, my gosh, did I not teach my kids anything?

And then talking to other adults, they came up with the same thing and they said, yeah, you know what, my kid's doing this. I get calls like this. And then my wife finally said, you know what, you're getting bombarded with these calls. And we talked to other parents. said, you enjoy writing books. Why don't you write a book on all the stuff that they should have learned? And so that's what became the subject matter. And so I spent the last year or so writing the book, but more importantly, it wasn't just me. I actually went out.

and sought the expertise of 30 experts in everything from people who run the JP Morgan Chase Bank for family banking, tax experts, clinical psychologists, cleaning experts. interviewed a NASCAR race car driver and his crew chief on how to maintain a car. So everything in between to give young adults the foundation that they need, sort of a guideline and a guidebook.


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James Moffitt (00:01.281)
Hello and welcome to ABC's Parenting Adult Children. My name is James Moffat and I'll be your host. Today we have Rob Finley as our guest speaker. Rob, how are you doing?

Rob (00:11.436)
I'm doing great, James. Thanks for having me today.

James Moffitt (00:13.079)
Good. Yeah, I'm glad that you're here. Go ahead and introduce yourself to the listening audience, please.

Rob (00:20.094)
Sure. So as you said, my name is Rob Finley. I am a father of four young adults. But my other day job is I'm also an entrepreneur. I run commercial real estate technology and other businesses.

James Moffitt (00:38.471)
That's awesome. So tell me how did you get into the I know you wrote a book. Hey dad, how do I guess that's the name of the book. Is that what the name of the book is?

Rob (00:50.188)
Yeah, the book is actually Hey Dad, and it's everything you should have learned but didn't as you start your adulting life. it was actually started and the idea came because imagine this middle of the night, you get a call. And for me as an adult and having been a parent of four kids, getting a call in the midnight and in the middle of the night is always something that's terrifying.

James Moffitt (00:53.194)
Okay.

Rob (01:19.338)
And so I, you know, so I, so I get this call, pick up the phone. My heart's panicked. I'm freaking out. What's wrong? And it's, Hey dad, I'm at the gas station. Can I put the green gas in my Jeep? I'm like, what? I, you first of all, I have to, I have to, I have to decompress quite a bit. Right. And I'm like, what do you mean? Great. Right. She was asking if she could put diesel in her, her gasoline vehicle. And at that point I was like,

James Moffitt (01:38.455)
All right, default.

Rob (01:49.482)
my gosh, did I not teach my kids anything and then talk it talking to other adults? They came out with the same thing and they said, yeah, you know what? My kids doing this. I get calls like this. And then my wife finally said, you know what? You're getting bombarded with these calls. And we talked to other parents said you enjoy writing books. Why don't you write a book on all the stuff that they should have learned? And so that's what became the became the subject matter. And so I spent the last year or so writing the book. But.

James Moffitt (01:52.449)
right?

Rob (02:18.08)
More importantly, it wasn't just me. I actually went out and sought the expertise of 30 experts in everything from people who run the JP Morgan Chase Bank for family banking, tax experts, clinical psychologists, cleaning experts. I even interviewed a NASCAR race car driver and his crew chief on how to maintain a car. So everything in between to give young adults

James Moffitt (02:38.103)
Great.

Rob (02:48.012)
the foundation that they need, sort of a guideline and a guidebook to help them have the information they need to go from being a dependent to independent.

James Moffitt (03:00.567)
Do have a copy of it that you can show us?

Rob (03:03.05)
actually, I'm embarrassed to say I don't. I'm traveling. as I said, I don't.

James Moffitt (03:07.127)
It's okay. It's alright. I think I'd like to get a copy of it.

Rob (03:12.162)
Yeah, absolutely. Well, you can go to Amazon too. It's also available on Amazon, but I'll get you a copy, James.

James Moffitt (03:17.975)
All right. Do you know who Jeff Dunham is?

Rob (03:22.694)
No, it sounds familiar, but...

James Moffitt (03:23.543)
He's a ventriloquist and he has all those dolls in a box. He has lots of specials. And I'm telling you about this because he had a story, an intro into one of his shows on Netflix. And he has four children, two teenage daughters, probably adult daughters now, and two little boys. He divorced, got remarried.

Rob (03:29.251)
Okay.

James Moffitt (03:53.866)
Anyway, he was talking about his wife took one of his daughters to go put to go out on the town, go shopping, whatever. And she pulled up to a gas pump. She had no clue how to use the credit card. She had no clue how to put the gas in the gas tank. And so she did a video of this. It was like 10 or 15 minute video. And you could hear her chuckling under her breath while the daughter was struggling. She used it.

Rob (04:17.993)
Ha ha ha ha.

James Moffitt (04:20.407)
Use the credit card, how to put the credit card in the machine, how to type in your code, how to open the gas tank, how to lid on the gas tank. know, some cars you have to go inside and have to hit the little lever. She had no idea. It was clueless. And of course, the way he told it was just hilarious. But yeah, yeah, it's I was I graduated high school in 1980. And so in the 70s in Texas, they had a

class called home economics or home ec. And home ec was designed to teach, I think mostly girls know how to get around in the kitchen, how to cook the basics of how to operate a stove, refrigerator, food. And I'm sure I never, I never took the class because I was in future farmers of America, which is the career track for young men. Right. And so I learned how to grow strawberries, but anyhow,

Rob (04:53.218)
Yes.

James Moffitt (05:20.983)
Yeah, our schools and maybe even some of our parents who are listening, they just take a lot of this knowledge they have for granted, right? Because we've been doing this for so many years. You just don't think about like, you know, how do you start a lawnmower? How do you put oil in a car? How do you check your tires? Just basic everyday run of the mill knowledge. Can you Google it? Yes.

You could probably Google most of this stuff, but the fact that you did the research and asked a lot of different experts about information that would be handy for fathers and moms and young adults, that's awesome.

Rob (06:06.606)
Well, I think, it's funny you talk about this, how the kids are different. A very interesting article today in The Wall Street Journal mentioned that shop is coming back into the public schools, which I think is fantastic. But I and I don't know. I'm not here to blame parents. I'm not here to blame children. I think our times have changed. Right. And just like if I I had if I had a technical question on, you know, AI or something technical, I probably would ask my kids.

James Moffitt (06:20.053)
Absolutely.

Rob (06:36.034)
Whereas maybe during their life, I think I probably fell victim to this as well is that I like the easy button, right? So instead of mowing my own yard, I had the landscaper. Instead of fixing my car, I'd go down to Jiffy Lube, right? And so I think as we've evolved, we've lost sight of these technical skills. And I think the thing is, yes, you can always Google stuff. You can always use chat, GPT, and all that stuff.

But at the end of the day, being an adult is also having a framework to make decisions. And that's what this is really about. This isn't about, hey, if I have the luxury of, you if I'm on the side of the road and I have to look out and say, what do I do now? Well, that's not the right time to be Googling what to do, right? You need to know, hey, common sense would dictate, move over to the side, wait as far as you can go. It's, know, stop, get, you know, be away from the car, be safe.

And those are important things that young adults need to know. I think if one of the best analogies I use on adulting for young kids is you go to the airport and you know on the airport they have these things. I call them the magic carpet ride. it's those basically walkways that you step on and they just go. And I think our young adults from the beginning of time, from the time they're preschooler on, they step on this magic carpet ride and their life is sort of

James Moffitt (07:51.062)
Right?

Rob (08:05.326)
pre-programmed form. You're gonna go to first grade, you're gonna go to second grade, you're gonna go to third grade, so on and so forth. And finally, they graduate from either high school or college, and that stops, the magic carpet stops, and they now have to make decisions and be functioning adults.

James Moffitt (08:21.655)
Yeah, one of the things that they didn't teach us in high school in the 70s or 80s is they didn't teach us about budgeting money. Right? And so I've had several financial gurus on several of my episodes where they talk about the importance of budgeting money and understanding, you know, you need to pay your bills first before you waste it on your wants. Right? You have to, have to, like, I just use a simple

Rob (08:30.861)
Mm-hmm.

James Moffitt (08:51.159)
I use Quick In and I use a spreadsheet. So I know what's coming out when I know how much money we have coming in. And so it's easy for me to map it out and understand that. But my parents didn't teach me that. I knew that my dad got the checkbook out once a month and he paid all his bills all at once and stuck the check in the envelope, looked at it and stick it and stuck it and put the stamp on it and threw it in the mailbox. know, everything's done online now. We don't have any bills or at least I don't have any bills that I

write a check for. always, you know, there's an app for that now, right? There's apps. But still.

Rob (09:24.139)
Right. Right.

Yep. Well, budgeting is critical, right? And budgeting is critical because it also, you know, maybe your dad had a good pension, maybe had a job that he stuck with for a while and had that. Nowadays, you know, the kids have to look at investing and the power of compounding, the faster they can start putting money away and making investments, the better they're going to be. And they need to be in this situation. So budgeting and it's

James Moffitt (09:49.256)
Right.

Rob (09:57.448)
because budgeting is all about everything that you do, your house, your car, your rent, and all your living expenses, and having a plan. And so we go into multiple chapters on budgeting and living within your means and knowing what is important. But also, let's not be ridiculous. It is important. If you're a young adult and you're working hard, it's okay to have some money to spend. It's okay to spend a little bit of money.

But understand, make the decision and if you have visibility into how much money you have coming in and how much money you have going out, it will help so that you know that decision to go out twice a week is only gonna be once a week and not multiple times.

James Moffitt (10:40.535)
Yeah, being proactive versus reactive is always the best plan. Being in control and you know what they say, knowledge is power, right? So if you have knowledge about your incoming income and the outflow and you know how you can save, you put away for, you know, get an IRA or 401k and put money away for retirement. My wife and I didn't save up for retirement when we were in our 20s or 30s.

Rob (10:45.879)
Right, right.

James Moffitt (11:10.239)
Right? We were like, we either couldn't afford to put money away or we didn't put money away or there were several times, you know, we were homeschooling our kids and a wife stayed home and took care of the kids and she didn't have an income stream. There's lots of different reasons and we're not, we're certainly not here to beat up anybody for, you know, lack of knowledge or just making mistakes. You know, we all, we all learn and make mistakes. don't care how old you are.

You're learning something new every day. That's all that's part of life, right?

Rob (11:41.646)
Well, that was the best part about doing this book, quite frankly, James, is that interviewing these experts, I'm not an expert in tax. I'm not an expert in banking. not a, I had the head of AAA, you know, and it's like, I don't know everything. And it was fascinating. that's, know, adulting is always about learning, right? You always are learning as an adult. And I've heard you talk about, you know, as kids, know, first time I ever held a baby was quite frankly my baby, right?

I was 26 years old. I had no idea what it was. was like, what is this thing that I'm supposed to do now? There's no manual on that. And quite frankly, just like there's no real manual for a young adult who's all of a sudden getting pushed out of the nest. And as kids are seeking this independence, which is critical to their development, not only socially, but also professionally,

James Moffitt (12:15.582)
Right.

Rob (12:37.624)
getting out of the house, getting on with their career, getting going in life. It's important to have something a little bit comfortable that's not preachy. I'm not trying to preach, you know, it's not mom and dad. I know that my kids are always like, okay, dad, you know, I can hear their eyes roll back when I tell them that, know, Venmo is not a banking, right? Venmo is not a bank. Go get a bank account, right? They just roll their head. So, yeah, because they learned all their stuff from social media and I'm trying to get them to get a better perspective.

James Moffitt (13:06.869)
Yeah, Venmo and Cash App are good things to have with regards to sending and receiving money amongst family and friends quickly, right? And then there's Zelle. Most banks have this thing called Zelle that you can use to schedule payments online and all of that. yeah, finances, budgeting, saving for retirement.

Learning how to save, if you start while you're young, Parents, if you have pre-teens, teach them how to save. Open up the savings account for them. Just $10 a paycheck or $10 a month. It doesn't have to be a lot of money, because like you said, it compounds annually. It's the best thing that they can do, and it's the best thing you can do for them, right?

Rob (14:03.714)
Yeah, well, it's actually, you know, on that point of compounding, teaching your children about compounding is a very valuable lesson that adults can start early on. And most people think what we were just talking about, compounding is financial. And yes, compounding does apply to finance and investments, but compounding also equates to habits, right? Doing a small thing every day ultimately compounds into

James Moffitt (14:13.943)
you

Rob (14:32.086)
something that's gonna, you're gonna happen over your time in your life, right? So exercising a little bit will lead you to be healthy, eating a little bit better, compounds. And so it's just like being with friends, helping your friend out over time will develop better relationships. So compounding is a very powerful key concept that children should be learning young on.

James Moffitt (14:59.383)
So let me ask you this, you said you have four kids. Can you talk to us about your parenting story, some of your experiences as a dad? Most of the people I think that listen to this podcast are probably women, females, like 80 % of them, but I know that there's probably 15 or 20 % of them that are dads. And so I always love to talk to dads and hear their parenting story.

Rob (15:28.046)
Yeah, well, look, think moms and dads, you know, have a remarkable job in raising children, right? It's one of these jobs that I don't know. I feel like it's an unsung job and, you know, very, very difficult. But I think the key thing that I've learned about being a parent is

And the things that I recommend is one, let your kids fail, right? That is such an important concept. It's OK for them to fail. They should embrace failure. They should look forward to failure. Success is built on failure, right? If you just fail and give up. doing that kind of thing and having that kind of thing. And I know it was hard for me when I first I first had my kids. It was, you know, it's my first child was it was a boy. So.

I was young. What did I want him to be? He was going to be a football player, right? As you can see behind me, I've got a football jersey behind me. That's what I'm going to have. I have a son. I'm going to have a football player. That's just destined. Well, guess what? He wasn't a football player, right? He tried out for football, couldn't stand it, hated it. That's not failure, right? That is not failure. That is just the way that it is. And so we want to create our children and give them the opportunity to fail and grow.

And I think, you look, I could spend a whole hour talking about parenting styles and skills. And I think for parents, the other thing too is breathe, right? You're not gonna, my mom used to have a great expression. The world will teach our children, right? So, and it's a great expression because quite frankly, you're gonna do as much as you can to educate your kids. They're gonna go out on their own and they're gonna experiment. They're gonna try things and they're gonna learn what's right and what's wrong.

And we can try to give them a foundation, which is what I'm trying to do in this book. But ultimately, it's up to them to learn and they're going to learn on their own in their own style in their own way.

James Moffitt (17:36.994)
Right, that's all about becoming an individual and transitioning from being a teenager into an adult and learning how to face the day and develop healthy habits like getting to work on time, waking up on time, getting ready for work and preparing yourself to take on the tasks that are necessary to be successful. And you're right, being a...

Rob (18:05.422)
I want to point out, sorry, sorry, James, sorry.

James Moffitt (18:07.543)
I was just going to say being a helicopter parent and hovering above them and rushing in to fix every tiny mistake or robbing them of the consequences of bad mistakes is not good parenting either. You've got to give them a little bit of freedom to make some of their own decisions.

Rob (18:27.95)
Yeah, and it's hard. It's hard and it's hard for dads and it's hard for moms. You don't want to see your kids make mistakes, right? But to that point, they're going to learn off of those mistakes. And I think one of the things that I've realized, the more that I try to inject myself into my children, the harder it became for them to become independent adults. If I'm trying to hold them back, I'm trying to...

hey, I'm gonna help you, I'm gonna have you live at home for a little bit and get money for your rent and all of this kind of stuff. All I was doing was holding them back from making life's choices, which is what it's all about. When I graduated from college, that was it. My parents said, here you go, thank you very much, thanks for living here and out you go. And that was the way it was. And I'm not saying that that's right or wrong, but one of my kids had...

and unbelievable, it was remarkable to me. When she graduated from college, she had a very good technical degree, one in a computer science, and when she started college, it was a gold, right? She was gonna come out of college, she was gonna get this great job, because she was in this specialized computer programming and all this stuff. Well, she graduates, and that's no longer the case. That is no longer the big, they weren't hiring inshore anymore, they were going offshore.

she couldn't get a job right away. And this poor kid had nothing, but I've never seen somebody who was so full of life just sort of retrench and she could not make a decision. She is like, well, I can't, I don't know where to go to work because I don't know where I want to live and I don't know where I want to live because I don't know what I want to do and I can't get a job. And they go in this spiral and it's because...

I for so long was like, well, here's the major you should be doing because this is going to be a great job. And here's what you should be studying. And here, you're going to do this. And I did not allow her to be on her own and make independent thought. And that's, it was criminal of me. And so I've learned from the others, don't do that.

James Moffitt (20:38.231)
Right, that's good, very good. So I'm just going to kind read from your profile here. Hey dad, how do I? Questions kids ask when they're trying to adult. Rob shares the funniest, most surprising, and most common hey dad questions and how parents can help with taking over. So what are some of those questions?

Rob (21:00.872)
of some of the great ones, right? So obviously the funny one is, hey, dad, can I put the green gas in my car, right? So a lot of my stuff comes around the car. And you know what's funny? Actually doing the research on this book, actually now green, green, yes, is the predominantly diesel, but in fairness, if you go out to certain places, there are ethanol and there's other greens. So it's actually, right, right. So you have all these different things. So here's the thing, diesel goes in diesel.

James Moffitt (21:23.755)
Right, non-ethanol.

Rob (21:30.786)
Gas goes in gas, don't overthink it. So those are the big things. But I get a lot of the questions. So one of my kids on investing was like, well, dad, I don't want to invest my money into an investment account because I don't want to lose it. Right. And that's a valid question and a valid point. But it's misunderstanding what happens. Right. It's not gambling. It's investing and growth. You get all these stories. You can go along the

the dynamics of every part of their life, getting a car, worst call ever. Hey dad, I'm at the dealership, I wanna buy my first car. And you have to applaud this independence, right? It's like, great sweetie, you wanna go buy your first car? She's like, the salesman's really nice, he told me I've got a great deal, can I sign it? I'm like, well, wait a second, you haven't done any research, you just sort of went in there and I'm like, sweetheart, just walk away, walk away right now.

And she's like, no, I don't want to, because he's so nice. And he's already gone back to the manager a couple of times and told me he's going to give me this great deal, understanding the way that dealers work and how they make money. so I was actually very fortunate. Part of the research I did was I interviewed a gentleman who was, I think for 50 years, was a car sales manager. And so he gave me all the tricks in the in ins and outs. But there's all these questions like that. And they come up and they're they're funny.

James Moffitt (22:39.055)
sure.

Rob (22:58.818)
but the repercussions can be big. And I think that sort of thing, they're funny only to the point where it's not funny because these are things they should learn, they should know. They should know how to change a faucet, how to turn off your water, doing these core things that are important, but it's also knowing where to start, where to start from being in life.

not knowing what to do and having direction in life, being a good person, being a good human, right? The manners and etiquette, right? Can I, you know, what do I wear at this event? It's knowing these things that are critical. And this book, by the way, is not a how to 101 on everything, right? There's, can Google that. This is a framework for adulting. This is the base foundation of things to do in order to comprehend I'm being an adult.

James Moffitt (23:56.312)
This is like Life Skills 101, right?

Rob (23:59.83)
Yes, yes, but on a deep level, It's get up and get going. Figure out, know, get your life going. Cause sitting at home, you know, feeling sorry for yourself isn't getting on with life. Second thing, go get a job. By the way, networking. I know the thing you hate to do, which is get off your phone and go out and talk to people is critical to your survival. And it's critical to your adulting skill and success, which is one, going out and getting a job.

Two, meeting people. Three, having social relationships and going into areas where you don't feel comfortable. Those are things that you need to know as much as they're uncomfortable for you. Finding a place to live, getting a vehicle, being a good adult. And then finally, emergencies happen. And that's a scary time, right? The stories are all fun and games until the calls get very serious, right? And as adults,

Those are the calls we feel or we fear the most. You're stuck on the side of the road, it's dark out. You're on the middle of the highway and your car's broken down. Or hey, you had a party and one of your friends had too much to drink or too much of something. What do you do? These are things that adults face and we as adults can handle them, but can your 18 or 20 year old handle them? And that's what I'm here to solve.

James Moffitt (25:24.215)
Right. That's good.

Well, and like you talked about, communications going out and interviewing for jobs and all of that. One of the things that I guess Gen Z and Gen X kids, they're really in tune with their smart devices and they like, like, my kid, my 28 year old daughter, she would prefer to text us on our phones versus picking up phone and calling us and talking to us.

Because that's what she's comfortable doing. And when you get out into the real world and you start interviewing for a position somewhere at a company, yeah, you may get a Zoom meeting or a tech or a Teams meeting or something like that where they interview you from a remote, but you've got to be on camera. You have to be able to give eye contact. You need to be able to articulate your skillsets and what your passion is and tell your story. You have to have a story about who you are.

what you're trying to do, what your goals are and all that. So you would hope that parents start teaching their kids those communication skills while they're still preteens, right? You can't wait until they're 18 and all of sudden go, okay, well, this is communications 101. And you talk for an hour and go, okay, you got all that? They have to put all that into practice.

Rob (26:50.412)
Right, right.

Yeah, and that starts, and you're right, that starts young. And getting your children and young adults and teens, getting them into situations where they're exposed to adults and others. And I think that's a very important thing to do where you're looking at things like going out and I have my kids go to family meetings. I've had my kids go to business dinners with me. I obviously, I talk to the other person first and say, hey, listen, I'm...

trying to get my children exposed into different situations. The more you can do that, the better. Having your, keeping your kids sort of, hey, you guys go run along and play is great when they're young, but there is a time where you need to start getting them to feel comfortable interacting with adults and other people because as you said, and I've mentioned, the networking is imperative for young adults to get jobs, professional jobs.

You can't just go on Indeed and fill out a, or LinkedIn and fill out the quick apply. The likelihood of you getting that job is very, very low. And so going out and knowing how to network, how to meet people and talk to people and get feedback and create relationships is a skill that needs to happen. You need to have that skill set.

James Moffitt (28:16.353)
Right.

So the cliff dive into adulthood, preparing your kids for the real world, practical advice for parents on teaching life skills before the kids leave home. Money, mistakes, moving out, what every parent should teach their kids. A deep dive into managing finances, navigating first jobs, and handling life's unexpected hiccups. Failing forward, how to teach resilience through life's lessons. Rob discusses why failure is vital...

part of growing up and how parents can frame it as a learning opportunity.

Hey Dad is the book every parent should read before the child leaves the house. Whether you're guiding a first-time apartment renter or answering panic late night calls, Rob Finley's wisdom will help make the transition smoother and funnier for everyone involved. So yes, this is an awesome tool. So let me give you like a three to five minutes for an elevator speech. Just what would you say to parents that are listening to this podcast?

Rob (29:22.772)
once again, relax. You don't have to do everything all at once. You're doing a great job. You've got it. Just the fact that they're listening to your podcast already puts them in the category of they care, right? So they do care on what they are. So from that standpoint, you're doing it. The second thing is really take the time to look at your kids and look at them as adults and figure out where...

James Moffitt (29:35.532)
Sure.

Rob (29:51.554)
They can go to have failure, but also success. Learn from their mistakes. Learn from the cause and effect of the things that they do. Get them out to network. Spend time with them, getting them into situations that are away from their phone and one where they're required to be in interpersonal skills. And I think at that point, most importantly, above all, all you have to do is create a good human.

And that's it. Because quite frankly, at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. Have you created a good human? If you set that as the bar, you've done an amazing job. Don't worry that you've created the NFL quarterback or the most successful businessman. That doesn't matter. But creating a good human, everything else is secondary.

James Moffitt (30:43.351)
Right, it's good stuff. Rob, I want to thank you for being on the podcast episode today and I look forward to getting a copy of your book and reading it. To the listening audience, I want to say thank you for the privilege of your time. You can listen to the audio version of this podcast on Activate, FM, Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, and Public Radio. If you're on Apple Podcasts and you're listening to an episode, you can actually leave a review right there on the spot.

So if you do the favor, do me the favor of leaving some reviews on Apple podcasts, I'd appreciate it. You can watch the video episode on Rumble. Rumble is as it's spelled R-U-M-B-L-E. It's a conservative alternative to YouTube. Our website is located at parentingadultchildren.org. Just as it's spelled parentingadultchildren.org, it'll take you to the website.

website provides contact information, upcoming show schedules, a place to leave your review for this podcast episode. You can find my contact information, my email address. You can leave me a voicemail and I'll respond to you. New episodes are released every Friday morning at 8 a.m. Thank you again, Rob, for being here and for sharing this information with us. And parents, thank you for listening to the podcast episode. And I think you'll get something out of this.

Rob (32:06.392)
Great, thank you, James. Thank you for having me.