Parenting Adult Kids the Zochey Way

In this episode of ABC's Parenting Adult Children, host James Moffitt welcomes guest Zorina Pritchett to discuss her journey from caregiving to game creation. Zorina shares her experiences as a disabled veteran and caregiver, and how these roles inspired her to create non-digital games that promote family bonding and digital balance. The conversation explores the challenges of caregiving, the impact of digital devices on attention spans, and the importance of creating meaningful family memories.

Keywords

parenting, adult children, caregiving, non-digital games, digital balance, family bonding, Zorina Pritchett, James Moffitt, resilience, empowerment

Takeaways

• Zorina Pritchett shares her journey from caregiving to game creation.
• The importance of digital balance in today's tech-driven world.
• Creating non-digital games to promote family bonding.
• Zorina's experience as a disabled veteran and caregiver.
• The impact of digital devices on attention spans and family time.
• How Zorina's games help with cognitive skills and emotional regulation.
• The role of patience and creativity in caregiving and game design.
• Zorina's games are available on Walmart online.
• The significance of creating meaningful family memories.
• Encouraging children to develop social skills through interactive play.

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James Moffitt (00:01.06)
Hello and welcome to ABC's Parenting Adult Children. My name is James Moffitt and I'll be your host. Today we have Zarina Prichet. Zarina Prichet is our guest speaker this evening. How are you doing?

Zorina (00:09.72)
Crochet.

Zorina (00:17.748)
am doing pretty good today. I'm so happy to be here.

James Moffitt (00:20.826)
Yeah, I'm glad you're here too. Do me a favor and let the listening audience, tell the listening audience who you are and what you're doing and all that.

Zorina (00:30.678)
first of all, hello, everyone. I am trying to, I create games for kids for non-digital fun. And I also like to introduce my games to adults and those with special needs. I am a disabled veteran and I'm also someone that has difficulty staying focused. I am a caregiver, sometimes with my brother as needed. I used to do it full time, but now he doesn't need me as much.

James Moffitt (00:44.949)
Specialty.

Zorina (00:59.914)
And so I am retired after serving veterans for 30 plus years. And so it's just been an interesting journey as a retiree and also now advocating for kids to have digital balance.

James Moffitt (01:14.352)
Well thank you for your service. I'll just read this off your profile. says, engage in conversation with Zarina Prashe about her journey of resilience and empowerment in starting Zoche. Explore her transition from caregiving to small business owning and how her game encourages family bonding in a digital age.

Zorina (01:16.131)
Thank you.

Zorina (01:31.187)
Yes.

James Moffitt (01:41.38)
And so it's interesting you're creating a non-digital game. Just tell us a little bit about your, you've already said something about your background, but tell us a little bit about your caregiving with your brother.

Zorina (01:58.559)
Actually, my brother had a stroke in 2019. And so I was having to take care of him full time. And at that time, we entered the COVID period. And so it was very difficult to find care for him. So a lot of things I picked up on myself. My brother was unable to have all his cognitive skills. He had aphasia. There was some memory loss.

James Moffitt (02:09.162)
no.

Zorina (02:23.68)
And so I'll be honest, it was a very frustrating period of trying to reintroduce him and try to bring some normalcy to his life. And what happened, I found myself really frustrated about it because it seemed like I was always directing, don't do this, do this and do that. And so we were having very little fun until I created my game.

and that it gave us the opportunity to connect with each other because of the simplicity of the game. And it also was able to help my brother with his recall for his colors and following directions. And so the game came to me in a dream and I developed it. And then I found out it was useful in my care for my brother and trying to get him back to being able to speak, being able to.

James Moffitt (03:06.211)
Okay.

Zorina (03:17.046)
remember things and just do some basic activities of baby living independently.

James Moffitt (03:23.458)
I was going to ask you how you came up with the game and it's interesting that you said it came to you in a dream. Yeah.

Zorina (03:30.063)
Yeah, I did. I think it was a gift because I was really frustrated. I know I said that before because caregiving, it takes a special person. It takes patience. And I wasn't prepared for it. There was not a health group out there because everyone was in lockdown. And so when the game came to me, it distracted me because I wasn't prepared to do that for retirement. I had it.

that retirement would be on some island for a couple of months, just relaxing. And so when the game came to me and I developed it and I tested it with my own family and then I did further testing. And then when I had an opportunity to play it with my brother, it reconnected us. It wasn't no more of me telling him what to do. It was him experiencing and learning at the same time. And I have to tell you, every time we play the game,

James Moffitt (04:01.146)
Right?

Zorina (04:25.012)
My brother acts like he's playing it for the very first time and it's so cute and stuff. And he says the same thing. I like this game. It's so simple. I don't have to stress out. And so I truly enjoy playing with him when I go visit. Sometimes I'll say, let's play the game because it gives me an opportunity to connect with him instead of just going over there, prepare his medications, help him understand his mail and stuff like that, or help him financially.

James Moffitt (04:33.488)
you

James Moffitt (04:52.976)
Sure.

Zorina (04:54.316)
It's just a chance for us as family members to come together, have some fun, relax, and just enjoy each other.

James Moffitt (05:02.992)
What form, what does the game, what kind of form, is it cards or is it a book? Can you show it to us? Can you show it to us? You have it? Yeah.

Zorina (05:09.728)
It's cards. Yes, it's. Well, this one here I have one. This is passing play right here. This is the one that's very simple for people, you know, who may have special needs or have some cognitive because basically you're matching colors and you're passing cards throughout the game. And the objective of the game is to be the last player holding a card. So some people say, it reminds me of Uno, but it's opposite of Uno. And so.

You get a chance to have that simplicity, multi-generational can play with it. And that's what I like about it too, because I played with my teen grand children and my son. And I just love that connection. And you made a point of creating a game in a digital. Digital is fine.

but there has to be balance. Sometimes we can get so addicted and we don't spend time with our family. And I did a test for that myself on TikTok. I got so into TikTok every day. I didn't hardly do things that I needed to do. And that gave me the insight why we're so drawn to it because it's constantly moving. There's changes and things and it's stimulating. And so that is what I want to capture also in creating my games. I want them to be stimulating. want them to be colorful.

and I want them to be constantly movement so we can have fun together.

James Moffitt (06:29.904)
You know, I think when you think about social media and Tik Tok and Facebook and Snapchat and all the myriad of social media apps that are out there now, I think we get like a dopamine hit or something where we're scrolling, constantly scrolling, looking at different videos and stuff. And so we get addicted to that, right? And so I think it's an addiction that we're facing this day and age, you know, not only

not only teenagers, but young adults as well, you know.

Zorina (07:02.99)
And I also think that if you have a child or adult child that has ADD, have some form of problem with concentrating, I believe that the digital devices are the worst thing for us because I have that. And I found the reason why I'm drawn to it is because my attention span is short. And so I can just look at something and just keep scrolling, keep scrolling. And it got to the point I couldn't even watch a regular movie because

James Moffitt (07:19.588)
Yeah.

Zorina (07:32.203)
It's the same thing, different, you know, the plots going on, but it was too slow. So I would put that down and go to my little social media where I could just scroll and scroll and scroll. And so it also takes us away from family time and family time is what creates those memories. And I think as parents who are taking care of adult children, one of the things I wanted to highlight to them is I know how difficult it is and always tasking and helping your child.

James Moffitt (07:42.511)
Right.

Zorina (08:00.802)
do things that maybe they cannot do, but don't rob them of the opportunity of having fun with you. And you can create fun in doing a lot of simple stuff. Like how many drops of water do I have to put in the glass and have them take the glass out, the water out with a spoon or just something fun and laugh with them, you know? And I think that's something that we need to get back to is just relaxing and enjoying each other as a family and friends.

James Moffitt (08:29.69)
Do you remember the old board games that we used to have? Monopoly and Trouble. Remember Trouble, the little bubble you had to hit and it gave you a number and you'd move your little tags around the board and knock people off the board and Scrabble and all kinds of board games that my dad especially would play with us kids. And yeah, I think that's a good thing to reconnect.

Zorina (08:31.64)
Mm-hmm.

Zorina (08:36.95)
Mm-hmm.

Zorina (08:43.47)
Scrabble.

James Moffitt (08:58.928)
how our young people need to learn interpersonal skills, how to talk to person, especially an adult. We got teenagers, we pre-teens teenagers, we have teenagers that are transitioning into college, they're out looking for jobs. I have a 32-year-old daughter and a 28-year-old son.

Zorina (09:15.544)
Mm-hmm.

James Moffitt (09:26.222)
They would rather text me a quick question.

rather than pick up the phone and call me. And they don't like me to call them. They'd rather me just text them or get on Facebook Messenger and send them a message. And I'm like, I hate texting. I'd rather just talk to you on the phone. I can talk faster than I can type, especially with my old thumbs. But anyway.

Zorina (09:33.582)
Mm-hmm.

Zorina (09:47.371)
Mm-hmm. And that's why too with my games I wanted because people attention span is getting shorter and shorter and our patients and so the games that I create I want them to be 10 minutes or less like two people can play it and be done with it in three around in three minutes. It's and so it's quick movie. It's a chance style game where you're not stressing out because so many things in our life stresses us out. So I wanted something that was very simple, but yet fun.

James Moffitt (10:05.444)
Right.

Zorina (10:17.248)
and quick. And I think some people say, well, we need to slow things down. That would be ideal, right, James? But a lot of people, they don't want to slow down. And so it's much easier for your children to text you because they know if you call them, you're going to get into a conversation and maybe they don't have the time for it or they just don't want that conversation at that time. So that's what happens.

James Moffitt (10:38.416)
Right.

Stay out of my business. Quit asking me questions. I don't want to tell you about my day.

Zorina (10:47.118)
Yes.

James Moffitt (10:49.146)
So how did caring for your brother influence your business decision?

Zorina (10:54.378)
It influenced me in the fact that it really generated that desire to provide opportunities for people who have special needs to play games. because when I was bending, there was a little girl that wanted to play the game and I played it with her. And so of course it took patience because at that time I didn't know she was special needs until her mother told me she was special needs and she was happy how she followed the game. And I think.

caring for my brother because of that patience and seeing the difficulties he had in doing everyday activities that we take for granted, some of those activities were challenging for him. And so I just thought that, wow, with so many of us as caregivers and stuff, that wouldn't it be something if we can have fun with the people that we care for and not be something.

drawn out with something that's simple and quick. And so experiencing that with my brother has just propelled me to do more and more of creating opportunities that all family members can come together, even if you have to modify my games, but at least come together and have fun and create memories for them.

James Moffitt (12:13.604)
Right. What inspired you to focus on digital balance?

Zorina (12:19.148)
Well, actually what inspired me was an article. I read an article in the World Health Organization. They're also trying to get the message out that too much digital isn't good for our kids. But it hit me home personally when my teen granddaughter, who's about 13 now, she loves being in her phone all the time. And it got to the point where she started having issues at school.

And now she's getting some counseling. We're finding out she needs some counseling and everything. And we really do contribute to the point that her parents, my son, they're good parents like everyone else, but sometimes it's so easy to just tell your child, okay, you know, pretty much go sit over there. You go get into your device, like a babysitting thing and not that engagement and finding out what's going on with school. And then also I had a friend had a six year old and I noticed that

James Moffitt (13:04.526)
Yeah.

Zorina (13:13.132)
When he was around other kids, he wouldn't play with them. He'll be in the corner on his digital device. And so when I did more research, I found out that too much digital can lead to depression. It can lead to them having issues at school, outbursts and things of that nature. And so it made me to realize that what if we had something that parents can have as an alternative that would fit their lifestyle?

as well as the children and giving them that stimulation. And so that's what also propelled me to try to create quick play card games in 10 minutes or less.

James Moffitt (13:51.63)
I remember back in the 70s, the

James Moffitt (13:59.438)
That's weird. My video is freezing.

Can you hear me?

Zorina (14:09.943)
I hear ya.

James Moffitt (14:13.712)
Okay, so anyway, back in the 70s, we had, yeah, I hear you. My video was freezing for some reason, and I don't know why, it's weird. So in the 70s, we had TV, know, television sets, and our parents used those to occupy our time. Go sit in front of the TV, don't get too close or you'll go blind, you know, but we would sit in front of the TV and watch.

Zorina (14:14.2)
Yep, I'm here. You hear me?

Zorina (14:38.894)
You

James Moffitt (14:39.246)
you know, super friends. And I remember Saturday morning, we used to watch all the cartoons that would come on, you know, for an hour or two. And our parents loved that because then they didn't have to engage with us. You know, they just sat us in front of the TV and let us watch whatever we wanted pretty much. Not everything we wanted, but especially the cartoons and stuff that we're on, you know. Anyway.

Zorina (15:00.802)
Well, we did that, James, if you think about it. We did that. There were some interesting games on television and things we could watch cartoons. But also remember, we went outside and played as long as we came in before dark. So we had a balance of watching television, but then also playing with the kids in our community. If you notice now, because there's so much negativity out there, parents are a little bit reluctant in sending their kids outside.

James Moffitt (15:12.773)
Right.

Zorina (15:28.49)
or letting them go over to a friend's house. And so most of them find the entertainment is just digital.

James Moffitt (15:31.162)
Right.

James Moffitt (15:35.9)
yeah, we used to, we used to go out and go visit friends and ride our bicycles, play basketball, baseball, all sorts of stuff. And we, we'd find things to get into trouble with too. But you know, yeah, our, but I think in the sixties and seventies and eighties, life was a little simpler. And, think things were a little safer for kids too. so anyway, we live in a, we live in an interesting time.

So can you describe a breakthrough moment in creating, what is it, a zomatic shift?

Zorina (16:12.142)
Well, when I Created Zomatic Shift, I'm not a game creator you guys I do storytelling I should do training videos and so getting in this space of Tabletop game industry was very challenging and one of the things that I did like about creating Zomatic Shift was that fact that

Not only were you matching colors, you were taking cards from each other. You were giving cards to each other. You had your wild card. You were shifting your entire hand. You never keep your original hand with the game. It shifts throughout the game. And so what I liked about that just made me think about how life is. It was just always shifting. And so people asked me, how did I come up with that name? Well, my name is Zorina, so I wanted something with a Z in it.

And then I thought, Zarina's game is going to make you mad because you have to shift your hand. And so I just felt like it was something that kids can just have fun. And they like the name. They think it's kooky and stuff like that. But it was always just about the shifting and getting kids to cooperate, having them interact with each other and just have fun. And so that's how when Zomatic Shift

James Moffitt (17:15.312)
Sure, sure.

Zorina (17:27.074)
really came about and I saved my money to get it manufactured and took a risk and putting it out there on Walmart. It's really been an enjoyable experience and I love doing Career Day because how many of us get a chance to meet game creators? So I do Career Day to try to encourage kids that that is a profession to consider because it allows you to be creative and they seem to enjoy it. So Zomatic Shift is, even though it started out

like a dream and something that I wanted to focus on and develop. It really made a positive impact on my life. And then the junior version, Pass and Play, which I created with special needs kids in mind, that allows them to play the game as well. And seeing special needs kids play the game is so special. I had a host that told me she wanted something to do with her child. And so that provided her opportunity with her.

that has special needs to have a connection. So I do feel like I'm on the right path. And I would say this, if our children do not have the opportunity to develop those social skills, how do we expect them to build a community in the future if they're all being raised in this isolation and not coming together only in a learning environment where a teacher is tasking them and recall.

but they're not interacting with each other in a positive way. And I think that's so important. Even when taking care of adult children, they still need to be around family and friends and have that interconnection. So, because it just helps our wellbeing.

James Moffitt (19:03.855)
Right.

James Moffitt (19:09.84)
So you said you can buy the games on Walmart.com?

Zorina (19:14.026)
Walmart online, they pick me up and I'm very happy to have the opportunity to put it there. Some people have asked me, James, why don't I do direct? Like I stated earlier, I am a disabled veteran. I'm not able to do that physically without hurting myself. And so I'm not going to put myself under that stress of trying to keep up orders and get it to the post office. I just can't do it.

James Moffitt (19:36.772)
Right?

Sure. And how much do the games cost?

Zorina (19:43.97)
The game costs $16.

James Moffitt (19:46.21)
Okay, that's reasonable.

Zorina (19:48.331)
I tried to do that because I ordered a large quantity. I ordered 4,000 and I've still got a large percentage of them left because I wanted the game to be at a low cost because honestly, I know this probably doesn't sound right. As a business person, you're supposed to be about profit and I would like to make profit only to buy more games and create more games for kids because I think that's the mission for me is to truly

try to get them to have relations, strong family ties. I have a multiplication game I develop. I just don't have the resources to get that one published. I thought that would be fun for kids learning their multiplication while their parents can't use their calculator to figure it out too. So they can help their children to figure it out together.

James Moffitt (20:34.96)
Right.

James Moffitt (20:38.672)
I'll tell you what, my multiplication tables were the toughest thing for me to learn. I just could not get it. I was raised in a little town called Quinlan, Texas. That's like southwest of Dallas, Texas. Guess what football team my dad got me interested in at young age, at the age of eight. Dallas, Texas. Who do you think that professional football team is? The Dallas Losers. No, Dallas Cowboys, excuse me.

Zorina (20:48.408)
Mm-hmm.

Zorina (21:00.974)
You

James Moffitt (21:09.279)
I've been watching them ever since since I was eight years old. I remember watching Dallas play on a little black and white TV a 13 inch black and white TV in Lee'sville, Louisiana when my dad was still in the army So anyway back to the multiplication tables. We were in Quinlan at the time and I just couldn't get it and so You know, I bring my math homework home, you know every day and I'd have to work on it

Zorina (21:10.134)
Wow.

James Moffitt (21:36.344)
And so my dad told me he motivated me by saying, if you don't get it right, you're not watching the Dallas game on Sunday. man. You want to talk about stressing me out? was like, I have to watch the Dallas Cowboy games because you got me addicted to them. Right. And, and something else funny is every time Dallas would start to lose, we'd sit down, we'd play checkers. And it seemed like, it seemed like every time we would play checkers, they'd pull it out, you know,

Zorina (21:36.558)
Mm-hmm.

Zorina (21:49.55)
You

James Moffitt (22:04.484)
The cardiac cowboys of the 70s and 80s. my goodness. Take a...

Zorina (22:09.186)
Listen to you. That is what this is all about, James. You're recalling memories of your childhood. And that's what we want to do. Yeah, and that's what we need for the kids. We need the kids to have good memories. Not that they're playing a digital device and that's their only friend, you know, but no, create these memories so when they get older, they can talk about how they play games with their parents. cause I remember growing up too.

James Moffitt (22:16.302)
Well, those were some good memories. Those were some of the good memories. Yeah.

James Moffitt (22:33.284)
Right.

Zorina (22:36.574)
I had difficulty playing games. I just couldn't stay focused. But I love when we used to play tag football and baseball and dodge ball. I love all of that. And honestly, I wish my granddaughters had the same experience, but most of the time they're in the house other than when they're playing soccer or doing dance, they're on their phones. You know, and that's one of the things that my granddaughter said that she likes playing the game is because it allows her

James Moffitt (22:43.662)
Yeah.

James Moffitt (22:57.914)
Right.

Zorina (23:06.476)
to have memories with her parents. And that's what it's all about.

James Moffitt (23:08.942)
Yeah, yes, developing those memories are important. So it was it was fun going down memory lane a little bit. It was fun. Yeah. So how can these games help parents connect with adult children?

Zorina (23:13.068)
Mm-hmm.

Zorina (23:24.066)
Well, I think that one of the things about, especially the past and play, if they have any type of cognitive, because they're quick play and you can modify them, I think with adult children, gives you a chance as a parent really to just have fun. And also it also, if they have problems with their colors or recall, although they're playing the game, they're going to be matching the colors. And then also there's cards and passing play that may say pass one card to the left.

or to the right, pass all cars to the left and the right. And so the children, they're adult children, why they're playing, if they have problems with directions, that's a chance for you to work with them. If they have problems with emotional regulation and they get upset that they're losing their cars, that's a chance for you to also work with them. And most important is a chance for you to just breathe and just have fun.

and you can modify the game like a host did to suit her son. And I think that that is the main point. Even though I have the interaction and the color recognition is more so of the parent and the children coming together and just having fun. And it's not all that tasking you do this, you do that, but just have fun with your child. And even if they don't do it right parents, it's okay. You're having fun with them.

You're having fun with them. Laugh with them. You know, you can correct them if you want to. If they don't, don't make it a big deal. The main point is you're interacting with them and they have a chance to have fun with you as well.

James Moffitt (25:07.616)
So what if you have a child or a parent that is very competitive and it's really important to them to be winners?

Zorina (25:16.458)
Okay. So my granddaughter, the youngest, we found out with playing Zomatic Shift, because as I stated, the game goes really fast and the give and the take, or you can be out the game very quickly. And the only way you can get back in the game is someone has to give you a card and that brings you back. And one of the things when we first started playing, she had difficulty because she wasn't used to a game going that fast. And so she would throw cards across the table. She was pelt.

and shut down and we didn't know she had problems with emotional regulation. And I asked her, what was going on with you? And she said, Gigi, I'm very competitive. I don't like to lose. And this game is so fast movie and I was losing all the time and I didn't like it. But as we continue to play with her and she got used to the game and her father and mother talked with her during the game about calming down, this is not how you act. She eventually,

started having more regulation of her emotions and then started enjoying the game. And I think if you're someone that's competitive, I know everybody promote their product, but I'm gonna tell you, if you are a competitive person and you have problems with the emotional regulations or have a child like that, somatic shift or pass and play is a great tool to teach them because it is a fast moving game. Most people are used to UNO.

no, it's too long for me. I can't play it. I just can't. It's just too long. But if you want something that's moving very quickly and someone can win very quickly, my games are that. And especially if you don't have enough time, you don't have the time to sit there and play these long, engaging games. So Matic Shift and Pass and Play are those type of games. I also have a third game that I just got published. It's called Face Off where kids are going to match.

James Moffitt (26:41.498)
Yeah.

Zorina (27:08.354)
googly, I call them googly eyes, the different facial expressions and stuff. And then they get to grab cards from each other and then they get bonus points. And so that's more of a simple strategy game of what I wanted to focus on was more recall for the kids. And then they have to move very quickly if they see their card match with the googly face, they need to move fast. If they do not, they miss their turn. And so that's just more.

skills that I'm trying to work on with kids for their engagement.

James Moffitt (27:39.408)
That's wonderful. So, so you've got three to five minutes for an elevator speech. What, would you tell parents that are listening to this podcast episode today?

Zorina (27:52.559)
That's a good question. If you are a parent that want digital balance for your kids, or if you're a parent that want a quick, engaging games for your kids, give Zomatic Shift a try. It is a game that is very simple. It's engaging. Your children can have fun because the games are very colorful and they're engaging in that they're having, they're offering them that same similar sensation of digital with the colors, the quick moving parts.

and most important parents, it allows you to help your children to develop or maintain their social skills, which ultimately helps their wellbeing. And give Zomatic a shift a try because you deserve to have fun and create memories with your children.

James Moffitt (28:38.926)
that's awesome. Thank you very much. Serena, thank you for being on the podcast episode today, this evening. I appreciate you being here. It was a fun podcast episode to do. And I like what you... Yeah, thank you for your service again. I wish you a lot of luck. And I know you probably will be very successful in the future with the track that you're on right now. So to my listening audience, I'm going to say thank you for the privilege of your time.

Zorina (28:49.966)
Thank you so much for having me.

James Moffitt (29:07.502)
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Zorina (30:37.902)
Thank you for having me.