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New York Giants Training Camp Vibes Are High, But Center Position Raises Red Flags
The atmosphere at Giants training camp feels electric this year—different from seasons past. Players are bringing a renewed energy, highlighted by Abdul Carter's crowd-pleasing backflip, but beneath the enthusiasm lie several critical developments worth monitoring.
Quarterback Jackson Dart, the team's first-round selection, has displayed concerning tendencies through the first three practices. Looking at only half the field, staring down his first read, and holding the ball too long, Dart has already thrown two interceptions in 11-on-11 drills. While Russell Wilson appears comfortable as the starter, questions surround how quickly Dart can develop the field vision and processing speed necessary for NFL success.
The offensive line continues to raise red flags, particularly at center. John Michael Schmitz, after leading all centers in holding penalties as a rookie and surrendering the most sacks at his position last season, has already botched three snaps with Wilson. This persistent struggle has coaches potentially considering alternatives, including shifting Greg Van Roten to center if Evan Neal can secure the right guard position.
Defensively, the edge rusher trio of Brian Burns, Kayvon Thibodeaux and Abdul Carter brings excitement but also concerns about size. All three appear built more like linebackers than traditional defensive ends, raising questions about their ability to set the edge against powerful offensive tackles. Meanwhile, cornerback Paulson Adebo's struggles against receivers like Malik Nabers have generated early worry about the $54 million free agent acquisition.
Monday brings the first padded practice, which should provide clearer evaluations, particularly for positions that depend on physical contact. Until then, Giants fans can take heart in positive developments like Cam Scadaboo's receiving abilities and Greg Dortch's chemistry with the quarterbacks, while remaining cautiously optimistic that coaching can address the concerning trends emerging from these early sessions.
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Speaker 2:We're back again, but this time there's a crescendo, there's a lead up, it's the season, it's New York Giants generation. Of course I am Tim with, I am McLovin. Oh, but he's not McLovin. We know who he is.
Speaker 1:Ryan of Ryan's Big Blue Podcast.
Speaker 2:We were joking before we came on that sometimes I don't think Ryan remembers his name Because there's always a dramatic pause I say sore, as they say in the English language but he's learning, he's getting better and we've been at camp the last couple days. So we're going to talk about New York Giants training camp. We're going to talk about New York Giants training camp. We're going to get the perspective from what Ryan have seen and Ryan's been to more camp than I have, but I've seen all the videos because I follow Ryan on Twitter.
Speaker 1:At Ryan, it's actually. I just changed the username today. It's at Ryan's Big Blue Pod.
Speaker 2:At Ryan's Big Blue Pod. So that's going to fuck everything up, but that's all right. But we're going to Ryan. We were there. Starting day one, we saw the beginning of the infancy stage of the 2025 season. What was your first impression?
Speaker 1:day one Right off the bat day one. My first impression the minute I walked in, the energy was good. The vibes were high, fans were excited and obviously you know that means nothing because they, you know, every, every year fans go to training camp, they're excited. But even the players they gave off a different energy than I feel like we've had.
Speaker 2:the past years, A different aura not aura, just different.
Speaker 1:I don't know. There was a different vibe to it. Abdul Carter came out doing a backflip, which don't do more of those, but it got the crowd hyped. Evan Neal got a surprising cheer I know you did a video on him.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I posted that Evan Neal got a cheer because his mom was there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw that. I just posted a picture of him saying he gets a surprising cheer and I know you did a video on him that. I actually saw last night.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I did the resurrection redemption of Evan Neal, but I want to talk about my video. We want to talk about this camp.
Speaker 1:Yes. So I mean even Jackson Dart. He came out, he got a lot of ovation. Him and Scadaboo have this little bromance going on. I don't know. I just like the vibes of training camp so far and we'll get a little bit more into the play uh, in a little bit here, but I just wanted to give the overall feeling of camp so far through the first three days that's been.
Speaker 2:The energy's always been high these first three days well, of course I went out to camp the first day with you and um the long-awaited meet the meat the long-awaited meet, the meet and greet. Um, and I was. I was disappointed, but you know I didn't want to say anything ryan's smiling because I don't know if I can take that, uh, but it was um, you know, I will say this training camp to me is always the same thing and this was your first training camp, correct?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's why I'm loving it so your first training camp?
Speaker 2:you, you, you think this is all a new. It's not. We go through this every single year, every single year. For the last 12 years we have gone to training camp which, which such overhyped expectations that every Daniel Jones pass people lived and died. With every great play I had to hear about ball placement and this and that, and I kept telling people you know, it's a lot easier to play this game when there's no rush. It's a lot easier to play this game when you can't tackle. I remember the swing pass that's cam Scadaboo took in for a touchdown. I'm doing air quotes, but you can't see that on the podcast. Everyone's all hyped up, oh yeah, but you can't see that on the podcast. Everyone's all hyped up, oh yeah. What I saw was a guy potentially getting tackled two yards in the backfield because there was either safety or the corner there and there's no contact.
Speaker 1:That's what I saw on the scat, I will run.
Speaker 2:Yes, on the scat, I will run that. That's what I saw. I didn't. I didn't see this, you know, and everyone's like oh, look, look at him, break that tackle. You can't fucking tackle in this portion of the camp. You only have like eight practices with the pads on, so you can't tackle. So I don't want to hear how great of a tackle it was or how he broke the tackle when there was no tackling. Then you have the Jackson dart pass that went awry and awry right into the corner's hands all the way down for six.
Speaker 2:So they want from date, from day one, and I was kind of 11 on 11th first pass, 11 on 11th interception.
Speaker 2:But one of the things that bugged me the most about that plan I'm not picking on Jackson dart, one of the things that bugged me the most about that play and I'm not picking on Jackson One of the things that bugged me the most about it was they interviewed him after camp and they asked him about that play and he said directly oh, I saw the guy, cause I was hoping that he just didn't see him. He's like I saw the guy. Okay, well, that doesn't fill me with joy that you saw the guy and you still threw the ball. I was slightly concerned about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree. Also he's holding the ball way too long. There's times where he's either getting sacked or sacked because you can't technically sack them yet. But there's times where it would have been a sack in a real game. Dane Belton would have had him yesterday who else?
Speaker 1:That was during day three, but just throughout the whole camp so far he's been holding the ball way too long and just, you're not going to get better by holding the ball. You have to take those risks, take those shots. We know what we have to work on. But if you're holding the ball too long you know that's one of the first things we're going to have to work on it it just it slows down the whole process Cause we can't see your other strengths and weaknesses with how you're throwing the ball and you know you're what you like, what you don't like, if you're just going to hold it the whole time.
Speaker 1:So that was another thing I noticed that I didn't like and you know I just feel like he's kind of he did a little better of a job of it during day three, especially at the end, but he's kind of staring down his first receiver. He doesn't read the whole field. No, like that interception to Trey Hawkins on day two. He stared down the receiver threw it and you know it was another pick and he's thrown two picks so far on 11, on 11s, and you know he's been with the twos the whole time. So you know it's nothing to be concerned about because we knew this would be a process like there's no need to freak out, um, but you know the people that were saying he's going to be the next franchise quarterback right away and he's going to be the next Eli Manning pump the brakes not because of this camp, no because. And he's going to be the next Eli Manning pump the brakes. Not because of this camp, no Because he's not ready.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's picked. I will say one more thing. If he was picked number three, I'd be more concerned if they picked him at three.
Speaker 2:You traded up to get him at 25 when you probably could have got him at 34.
Speaker 1:I was a little. I think the Browns might have took a shot at them with their I don't not.
Speaker 2:I do not think the browns it went even when, even when it's sniffing around.
Speaker 1:But either way, my point is like they picked them 24, 25 if he was, if 25, my I'm thinking of dante banks right now, just because I'm so pissed with him, um, but I'm thinking about, like, if he was ready now, a team would have picked him way before that. So that that's my kind of my point there. There's a lot to work out with him, uh, but uh, the big thing is I want to see him stop staring down his first read and you know, um getting rid of the ball quicker, because he's holding a little too long.
Speaker 2:You. You bring up an excellent point about Jackson dart and this I was going to get into this. From the moment that he has gone on from 11 on 11 to seven on seven, it's almost like the other half of the field doesn't exist. It is literally like okay, I and this is the product and the issue with Elaine Kiffin quarterback, they have the field cut in half for them, they're given a read or throw to a spot and their second option is to run and they do not have the ability to audible or scan the entire field.
Speaker 2:Now, when you're laying Kiffin quarterback and your best quarterback in the NFL that he has produced is Matt Barkley we got problems and my biggest issue with Jackson Dardas I mean I love people with the aura and everything else Everything's got going. With the bromance you mentioned with scatter boo, I am more concerned that he is not looking at through, he is not looking through the entire field, he is not seeing the and he is. I like to say maybe you said it was better on day three, but from what I have seen him is to your point he, he, he locks onto a target and that's almost it, and to your point about having the keeping the ball too long. Yeah, all of you know, but all of them are doing that, even Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at points he is as well.
Speaker 2:They're holding the ball for a team that needs to be. I know you want to be a deep shot team now because the neighbors, but your problem is this you have offensive line that you're not sure about. You should be practicing timing, you should be practicing short fields and you should be practicing If you were a rookie, scanning the entire field. Listen, you're taking 25th overall and this is the same. This is what bugs the shit out of me with this pick, and it has it's been eating in my craw ever since we did it. You traded up to get the guy to take him 25th and then you tell me we don't want him to play. So that tells me right now he is not ready to be an NFL quarterback. But when do you think, if you're the giant organization, when do you think he's going to be ready?
Speaker 1:Well, I think what they want him, their plan for him, is that they don't have to play him at all this year, which is very unlikely, and that he's ready by year two. But I want him ready by the bye week at the, at the latest. I think by mid season he should be, he should know the playbook enough and he should at least and I'm not saying he should be fully polished, but he should at least, you know, have some of the kinks out. Um, and you brought up Russell Wilson on day one and two. Um, a lot of his throws were quick and he knew where to go with the ball. Yesterday he was a little worse with it, but specifically with Jackson Dart the point you brought up was good where he's not looking at the whole field, that scat we touched down from yesterday was the only time I saw him sit in the pocket and actually look at the whole field, go through every read.
Speaker 2:But when you were saying that, and this was an actual game.
Speaker 1:Oh, he'd be sacked.
Speaker 2:He would have been sacked. That's what I'm saying, that he is not getting rid of the ball quick enough. And the thing is he's, he's and, like I said, you want everyone to look at, everyone wants to talk about the highlights, but you know, again, we're, we're not seeing, or I'm not saying we're not because we've actually posted it, but we're not. I mean the general media and other consensus is they're not posting everything in reference to what Jackson Dart's not doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean the thing with him as well, is that? Well, not just him, but seven on sevens is a perfect time to learn to get the ball out quick. There's no pass rush, so just if you work on that, then when the pass rush is there, if you're getting the ball out quick, it won't matter, right If you're, if you're able to find guys quick. And obviously there's going to be times where no one's open and you can't get it out quick. But there's been times where I've seen guys wide open and he's just not throwing them the ball.
Speaker 1:Um, even yesterday, russell wilson did it when I think it was greg dolt. Uh, no, it was neighbors. Neighbors was wide open. He took a deep shot um to slayton and overthrow him. Uh. So there's just when you have an offensive line that you're not sure about and honestly that I think is not going to be very good. Um, I think it'll be better than last year, but you know you're banking on Andrew Thomas, who you need to stay healthy. You got to learn how to get the ball out quick and be a quick offense. And yes, like you said, the deep ball, we want to see it more this year. But get the quick throws down first and when you get good protection then take the deep shot, like I feel, like they got to. Like you said, just work on those quick plays.
Speaker 2:Well, like, especially for Jax, but for Jackson dart, I think the it's not just about looking at the quick plays, and I don't know if he's being, and we don't know if he's been instructed by Dable or Kafka or whomever you know, just just to follow the read, or, you know, given, take that first read, we don, you know, just to follow the read, or, you know, take that first read, we don't know. But I would like to just see him three-step, four-step, drop and look to the left, look to the right and then maybe throw back to the right if he had to, but just because he's not even looking anyone off.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean he's literally. I mean, like the interception, he went out to the right or, excuse me, no, he went out to the left and, to your point, he was tracking that wide receiver the entire way.
Speaker 1:He was not going anywhere else from the, from Joe street.
Speaker 2:He was tracking that wide receiver. He was to your point, he was not going anywhere else, yeah, and then it ended like I said. Then it ended up. It ended up in six.
Speaker 2:But I just get nervous that you took a guy at 25, you moved assets to get him. We've already been told he's not going to play, or we he. They don't want them to play. But here's my thing A there's no guarantee Dave will be back next year. B there's no guarantee that he's going to progress and we once again took a guy that we are dealing with perceived talent and not immediate talent. Like I've said this before with Joe Shane and Dave Gettleman, they always do, is they pick guys that it tells well, in four years he's going to be a pro, in four years he's going to be a starter. Well, there's guys right now you could have drafted, that could have played right now. Their ceiling might not have been as high. But the problem is this A lot of these guys that we thought the ceiling wasn't as high as our projected guys are still in the league and our guys aren't even on the team anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, yeah, no, I agree. I mean overall, though, the. The one thing I did like was I mentioned a little before at the end of day three that was the best I've seen jackson dart, the. There was a few plays in the final 11 on 11s. He started from the eight yard line and I've noticed they started to put winston, winston uh ahead of him and when they're putting these quarterbacks in, uh, in the last two practices, uh, but they've been pretty even with, you know, reps and all that.
Speaker 1:But that those last few plays he made a nice throw in the flat to Antoine Wells Jr and then the touchdown to Scadaboo. He read the whole field, went through all of his reads and threw a nice touch past the Scadaboo in the back of the end zone. But you know, the main thing is you got to build off of it get. The main thing is you've got to build off of it get better each day, and so far he hasn't shown too many highlights or too many flashes. So a lot of the things we're looking at with Dart right now are negatives.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, and being this, group, but don't look into it too much, obviously, because it just can't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, to be perfectly honest, I have more concerns about Jamis Winston, because Jamis Winston outside of a couple of throws here and there you can see, even at a more advanced stage with Russell Wilson, you could see that Jamis Winston's a little bit more statuesque in the pocket than than either of the other two quarterbacks, even Tommy DeVito and James Winston is supposedly our second string quarterback and I just find it weird that you went with the more of a mobile scrambling out of the pocket, russell Wilson, but you're backing up with a more statuesque, actual pocket passer and normally what you do is you is everyone knows in the NFL your QB2 should mirror your QB1 because of the fact that if they go down you don't want to sit there and change the offense. Like I said, my more concern is the fact that you can literally see the difference in mobility between it's a little astounding between Wilson and Dart and Jameis Winston. They're all different speeds, obviously. It's, it's kind of it's. It's a little astounding between Wilson and dart and Jameis Winston.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they're all different speeds. Obviously, darts the fastest, um, and looks to scramble the most, uh, when there's pressure, when he's just, you know, there's nothing open, um. And then Wilson, he's tried to roll out a few times. He's so slow. So slow is being nice, he's tried to roll out a few times.
Speaker 2:He's so slow, he's so slow. So slow is being nice.
Speaker 1:But I saw a video before camp Someone saying Wilson is much more mobile than I thought he was and obviously that's not the case. He looks very slow. But Winston, he's had some nice throws and I know no one's had some nice throws. And I know no one's paying attention to Winston because Dart and Wilson are the two guys everyone's looking at Dart, the rookie, supposed franchise quarterback, and Wilson, the starter for this year. Winston's kind of in the middle, just in the background. But there's been some throws that I've seen from Winston that are very impressive. There was a play in one-on-ones he hit Tyrone Tracy beautiful pass. Hit Jordan blood, the UDFA yesterday over Deontay banks and another nice pass. And then Dolchich, another guy who I've loved so far in camp, has been getting a lot of targets and Winston and him have seemed to build a good connection. So right now I would say Wilson has probably been the best quarterback, but Winston isn't doing terrible.
Speaker 2:No, no, but I'm just saying. You can literally see the difference. Oh yeah, in reference to people need to remember and I always love when they're like well, jackson Darts is fast. He ran a 485 at the convoy.
Speaker 1:That was. I'm just comparing it to our other quarterbacks.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about you, I'm just saying people in general. You know I have to hear about this blazing speeds. He ran a 485 at the combine. That was his best time.
Speaker 1:I think the main reason people look at him as you know, the scrambling quarterback is just because he looks. He looks to do it a lot, especially in college, because there was play action or run, and he's not afraid to take hits, which isn't good in the NFL. But when people see that they're like he's a guy who's going to scramble, so they see him as this fast guy. But Daniel Jones was definitely faster. But like I don't know, don't say that Daniel Jones was faster you know for his blazing speed.
Speaker 2:Do you know what his yards per carry was overall in college?
Speaker 1:Dart, dart 4, 3.9.
Speaker 2:He only ran, he only. He ran 124 times for 485 yards last year. So it's not like, he's not like. And I and I get a little concerned that people are going to think that he is like this Michael Vick S quarterback, that he's going to scramble, and even to your point he's. I don't want, I want, I don't want people to think he's like, I don't want to say it, he's a Daniel Jones, because Daniel Jones had great straight line speed. Yeah, you know. And but Dale Jones, if you remember, he only ran like a four, eight one at the combine, but he had good, he had good straight line speed.
Speaker 2:Once he gets like, I've always said it before, daniel Jones was like the Buick I used to own. You know, once you got a run and going downhill, then it was fast, yeah, but Jackson dart is, and there's a difference between being a scrambling quarterback and a running quarterback and I and I want giant fans to kind of figure that out a little bit, because I don't, I don't think they can and I don't think they can figure out the dichotomy of that. But let's switch over to the defensive side of the ball yeah, I was just about to say let's.
Speaker 1:But one thing, there are just a quick like. I'm just going to read down through some quick things that I've noticed that came so far, like just to mention it so that they, you know, keep them in. Scadaboos looked really good on. He's a guy who they've been using in the receiving game a lot.
Speaker 2:Scataboo looked good in offense for someone that cannot be tackled.
Speaker 1:Obviously when the pads come on. That's when you can judge running backs more.
Speaker 2:I want that preference because there are plays that I saw with Scataboo that I'm like that's a four-yard loss.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about the receiving game. It's got to be right now, because they've been using him a lot there and if he can be a solid guy in the receiving game, that helps out a lot.
Speaker 2:He's always been a good receiver. You can go, yeah, yeah, he's always been. He's always been a guy that could catch the ball. He understand you know what. It's funny. I think he understands the the nuances of catching the ball better than one that Robinson does.
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Speaker 1:Speaker 2. Speaker 0. And he's a guy I'm excited to watch when the pads come on, more so because that's when we'll get more of a feel for him in the run game we're going to get a better idea of what he is.
Speaker 1:And then some other quick notes. Like I said before, he's been a guy I've actually liked seeing so far. I don't know if he'll do anything with us and make, like so far, bo Collins, the UDFA, his dad, actually um DM me today for some reason. Uh and then, yeah, that's been the main things. And Wanda, they've been using him differently, um and instead of just what did he DM you about?
Speaker 1:Well, I commented on his post. A lot of people commented about his post about Bo Collins. I was like you of Bo. He's been a guy that I've said would make the roster as a UDFA. In the comments he complimented me in the DMs, like I appreciate you. He told me something that Kayvon Thibodeau and Bo Collins actually went to middle school together I think it was in California and used to ball in basketball. That's just something interesting there. Let's move over to defense.
Speaker 2:Let's move it over to the defensive line the, the, the trio. Now I'm not talking about the trio, not just Abdul Carter. There is a trio. There's Brian Burns cave on Thibodeau and Abdul Carter. The first impression I can tell you is on, and we both posted videos about it when all three of them were together and the first thing I thought and I'm not trying to be mean about this is those are our defensive ends.
Speaker 1:They look like linebackers.
Speaker 2:They look like linebacker. Abdul Carter is smaller than I thought. Seeing him, seeing him in person. They look like dominant linebackers, but they look like linebackers I don't know if they look like dominant linebackers, yet Cause none of them. None of them can play the linebacker position.
Speaker 1:Cause, we know, but no, just just looking at this.
Speaker 2:I mean physicality wise, yes, they look like great linebackers but you have to admit, as Matthias Kiwanuka was like six, six to 85. Jason Pierre Paul was like six five to 70. I mean you, you like 6'6", 285. Jason Pierre-Paul was like 6'5", 270. You had these even like Tuck and Strahan, and Oseem and Yora. These were bigger guys and they were stout To your point.
Speaker 2:We have the video up of it and I look and I'm like are these guys going to be able to hold up against these large tackles, yeah, and actually be able to play the run? That is my first concern Because, like I said, I I looked at Abdul Carter and I'm like he's a lot smaller than I thought he was because he always, you know, I've never really seen him that close and it's like, okay, well, is he going to grow? Is he? Is he going grow? Is he, is he gonna put on some weight? I mean, because I'm I'm I'm slightly concerned, not about the pass rush ability of our defensive ends, but I'm very concerned about the ability for them to maintain their assignments on the run and what we've seen for the last three years, that we can't hold the edge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, but some things I have noticed from Abdul Carter and I know this is so tough to say because there's no pads in the offensive line he's had a pretty big disadvantage. Well, you can't really touch anybody. Yeah there's really no contact.
Speaker 2:You can only use your hands and there's no contact.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and actually James Hudson did a phenomenal job at blocking Brian Burns At one point the first or second practice, I think it was the second one he just shot him down and Brian Burns was on the ground. So you know, a good thing for James Hudson or a terrible thing for Brian Burns.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but sort of both actually, because they're at a disadvantage and they're at an advantage. So terrible for Brian Burns but really good for Hudson. But there was a play Abdul Carter had where he absolutely demolished JMS John Michael Smith, who's, by the way, had a terrible camp three bot snaps, three high snaps, but I know we're not talking offense right now. Terrible camp three bot snaps, three high snaps, but I know we're not talking offense right now. Abdul Carter looks fast and he's got some nice moves offline. I mean it's actually really fun to watch in person. Is it going to translate to the games when the offensive line is playing? You know how they can, to the best of their abilities with contact? I don't know, but he just really even Carl Banks. He tweeted shout out Carl Banks. He reposted one of our tweets. He tweeted about Abzel Carter and I believe it was day two and he was like he moves very differently than I've seen.
Speaker 2:I agree. But here's going to be. And again, this is the yin to the yang here. I agree, but here's gonna be. And again, this is the yin to the yang here I agree, but to your point, you're not allowed to touch anyone. Looking fast and going around someone that's not allowed to touch you is easy now when it comes to him being grabbed and pushed and shoved and you run into a mauler and a guy. That's going to understand.
Speaker 2:Okay, when I come off the snap, I'm going to have my I'm a, I'm a, I'm a tackle. So when I if I let's just say I'm on the left, tackle. So when I come off the snap, I'm going to take my right leg and actually stick it out a little bit more so I can gain an extra second off. You know, when I come out of my stance, come into my stance, it's going to be different there. There there are going to be times, well, like I said, where Abdul Carter can do things on the practice field that are to your point, that are not going to translate on.
Speaker 2:When Monday's the first pad day, yeah, so that's when we start looking at things a little differently, because then we're going to see then a how good our offensive line is, or B, how good Abdul Carter is, or how, or, or either war, because, like I said, the moves need to translate into a football move with contact. Yeah, you know, like I said, I'm not. I mean if I, if you, I can't, I'm going to lay you because I can't touch you.
Speaker 1:You're going to get more of a feel for a lot of the players, even the DBs, you'll get more of a feel of because they'll be able to use their hands a little more than they are right now, not like holding or PI, but getting a little more scrappy than they are able to right now. But I am pretty pissed that they announced their. I saw a tweet about the first pad practice on Sunday. I was supposed to go. I was like good, then they got moved to Monday.
Speaker 2:But Did it get moved to Monday or was it always Monday?
Speaker 1:It was always Monday. I'm not going to name any names here, but one of the Name the names. Name the names. Name the names. I like this reporter. So this is no shade. Maybe just a mistake, but Madeline Burke tweeted and reported that the first pad of practice would be on Sunday, july 27th. That was excited. The next day we found out, dave will confirm it'll be Monday.
Speaker 2:Well, she's no. Judy Batista, no, she's not.
Speaker 1:Judy Batista? No, she's not. That was a good interview.
Speaker 2:Covering the giants for the NFL network. That interview can be caught on online. Big blue, you're a giant straight talk. Catch that, catch that. Interview with Judy Batista. We're just, we're just hanging out now.
Speaker 1:And Madeline Burke, if you're watching this. No shade, it was an honest mistake. No, your job is only to report the news correctly 99% of the time she does.
Speaker 2:Jms, 99% of the time, can't block anyone. He can't fight his way out of a paper bag. Listen, I was not high on JMS coming out of college. I wanted Joe Tippman, of course. Joe Tippman went to the jets with a pick before and he is probably going to be. He potentially could be in all he's going to be. I think he was already a pro bowler but I think he could be all pro next year and he's like he's better. He liked it. Well, he is. He the difference in their play.
Speaker 2:And everyone told me I was crazy when I said I love Joe. I said that guy is a fucking mauler and they're like well, no, because you know, even though JMS is undersized, he has, he has the science of blocking because he was a wrestler. I ain't seeing shit. I ain't saying that. He's the first guy in the building, last guy out.
Speaker 2:I have not seen anything in regards to leverage at all as a and when he lost weight coming out of school, everyone told me well, don't worry that, because Travis Kelsey and that traffic Jason Kelsey is an undersized center. Okay, and I asked people over and over again name me centers that are under 300 pounds outside of Kelsey that that are that are pro bowlers. Because you need to be stout in the middle because you're going up the likes of Dexter Lawrence and everyone else. So you need to be stout in the middle Cause you're going up the likes of Dexter Lawrence and everyone else and you need to be stout. But the problem is this he's not and he he. Last year I mean his first year he led the league in penalties for a starting center and then last year he gave up the most sacks by a starting center. We got problems and, to your point, the three botch snaps with Russell Wilson. I mean, I'm not going to panic because it's only the first week, but we could have problems.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean I posted one of the botch snaps the first one and then another one happened and I didn't get a video of it but I retweeted it. It was like another one and then another one happened and I didn't get a video of it but I retweeted. There's like another one and then another one happened. I had to do it again. Um, but and maybe it's him adjusting because russell wilson is much smaller than daniel jones, but I mean three of them and then a fourth one that was a bad snap of russell wilson was able to handle it as a center. It shouldn't take long to uh, you know, adjust to the height of your quarterback. I mean, especially because this is day three now and I know it is just day three, but you had day one and day two that out and it's not like you didn't work with him during mandatory minicamp yeah, oca's minicamp.
Speaker 1:He was there. They were both there, they were both playing yeah, that should be. That should be one of the quicker things to like. There's no excuse for that. And blocking-wise, like you mentioned. That is one of my favorite stats you bring up about JMS. I'm disappointed in this stat, but it is true. Five holding penalties rookie year Not five led the league in holding penalties.
Speaker 2:Led the league in holding penalties.
Speaker 1:Rookie years and then led the league in sacks for a center last year. So, and as a center rookie year as well. But yeah, I don't think JMS is good. I really think they're in trouble if they go into the season with him at center. I mean, do you consider moving Greg Van Root in the center and having Neal on the inside, or do you think that's even?
Speaker 2:more trouble, but Neil's already been running with the first team on the inside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they. They both been with him and Van Root and have been rotating with the ones. Do you trust Neil to take that right guard spot and then Greg Van Root and shift over to center?
Speaker 2:Listen, I haven't seen anything from Evan Neil yet. That makes me throw up the flag.
Speaker 1:Well, cause the pads aren't on. You can't really do anything with it.
Speaker 2:Like you were saying, I did a video the other day that you have to. Sometimes you got to take the good with the bad and I just don't see the bad yet in Evan Neal. But it's way too early.
Speaker 1:He's a guy to watch when the pads come on, for sure.
Speaker 2:I'm just I don't know 'm, I am very nervous, um, I am very I'm not gonna lie, I'm very nervous about that center position yeah, I am as well.
Speaker 1:I mean I don't know, I don't know what else to say like who's out there besides, like looking for someone on the team like schlottman he's at least he knows how to snap the ball right. I mean at least schlottman snapping the ball. But do we really want to resort to Austin Schlottman at center? We really have nowhere to go at center right now. I've seen some ridiculous trade ideas and some unrealistic signings that we can make, but in reality, jms outside of Greg Van Roon if Evan Neal shows something, which I don't know how likely that is is our only option right now my question is this though I mean, they could be waiting until it's time for for a cut down day, yeah, and see if they can't.
Speaker 2:And I know that's a little ways away, but maybe, maybe that's, you know it is, maybe that's the giant philosophy, but I, this regime, smart enough to replace jms, though I feel like they're like no he.
Speaker 1:We can't let the fans know another pick didn't work out.
Speaker 2:We can't listen, I'm trying, I'm trying to be nice. No, you know I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't think, because then they're admitting that the pick was wrong yeah, and, and I think that's kind of the problem and I don't want to.
Speaker 2:It's just so bad. At times with him and I know this isn't this is a podcast, but Nick Gates against Washington. During his first year as a starting center for the Giants, he had a play where he came off the ball, he was blocking the defensive tackle and and somehow he got called for a holding penalty but somehow he literally almost had the defensive tackle reversed, so he was holding his back and had him like at a Heimlich and I'm like how the hell do you do that as a starting center? How are you? You are not, you are. You are. At one point you, you are holding the guy so egregiously that it looks like you're giving him the Heimlich maneuver. Jms at times, even last year was spun or really should I say his first year was spun into holding penalties by the defensive tackle. And I remember one play, two you know, two years ago, that he literally had the guy hooked under his arm and almost like he had it under his arm and was holding the back of his helmet. That's, that's going to be called every single time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why he led the league and hold and holding penalties that you get for a center.
Speaker 2:And I and I, just I, I, just I am fearful that going into year three, we have not seen any progression and we, we are kind of at that precipice that that we either need to cut them or we need to, or to your point where we just need to move on.
Speaker 1:I mean and it's not like we're talking about a fifth rounder here Like, oh, they missed on the pick, you know, finding new center. This was a second round pick in.
Speaker 2:Speaker 3 we had to hear all about for years how this was the guy.
Speaker 1:Speaker 0. Especially you replaced Billy price with JMS.
Speaker 2:Speaker 3 center in the league that we traded BJ Hill for yeah and that we and that we are telling we are saying that, jm, we are BJ Hill for yeah, and that we are saying that, jm, we are missing Billy Price, yeah, I miss Billy Price. That says something right there, that you are missing Billy Price.
Speaker 1:I take him back for the right price.
Speaker 2:No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't take Billy Price back for any price. No, I wouldn't. I'm not trying to be mean, though. No, I wouldn't take Billy Price back for any price. No, I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not trying to be mean, though.
Speaker 1:No, I wouldn't take him either. It's literally going from JMS to JMS.
Speaker 2:I am never seeing Billy Price on this team. Fuck that.
Speaker 1:No, that bald.
Speaker 2:We're not, we are never, and I'm still upset that we gave up BJ Hill for him.
Speaker 1:But some other notes I do want to talk about on defense, because I know we have a you know some minutes left, uh, as we try to keep these under 45 right um. So flott and banks they've been battling for that cb2 spot on the uh outside for the last three uh practices. They've been rotating. Uh, flott, day one was the starter, banks, day two was the starter, then day three was flop, but they were rotating and got an even amount of snaps and the amount of reps.
Speaker 1:Banks still has those bad tendencies of not turning his head and not making a play on the ball. Uh, there was a play where udfa jordan bligh caught the ball over him. I mean, jamie swiss, they made a throw. Uh, and Banks didn't play the ball and Jordan Blyman did a nice catch over him, a UDFA. He let him, beat him, he beat him and you're telling me pick 24 on the 2023 draft. The guy in the same draft as JMS Jalen Hyatt there's a chance he's going to be CB3 and flot. A guy who hasn't been consistent through the NFL with the giants yet and really hasn't done much of anything except a few good games here, and there is going to be CB two. Yeah, that's concerning and Nick Jones is playing better than both of them which is scary.
Speaker 1:No, it is, and flots not been. Neither. Flot hasn't been bad, he just hasn't really stood out to me. Yet, banks, there's been points where he's been really bad. He had one good play yesterday where he was able to break up a pass to Slayton from Russell Wilson, but he definitely has been a little worse than Flott still, especially since the expectations are much higher for him.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about Paulson Adebo for a minute.
Speaker 1:Oh don't, no, no, why no? Because I'm not concerned with it, but start where you want to start how can you not be concerned with it right now?
Speaker 2:you gave this guy 54 million dollars, 36 guaranteed. The consensus throughout the entire league was that they didn't know when he was going to be ready and a lot of teams didn't even have him in his in their top five free agent boards for corners because of the injury. And most the analysts expected him to get a two-year 20 million dollar contract10 million guaranteed in year one with either the player option or the team option in year two because of the injury. And then we had to see the backflips and everything else and I kept telling people as soon as you perfect the backflip on the field to somehow make an NFL play, backflips mean nothing to me. He is, he is, he is, he is he and it's early, but they're there. If it doesn't get better in week two, there needs to be some concerns about is he just not a fit for the Bowen system? Cause listen, the Bowen zone at times Malik neighbors is parking his ass in the middle of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it may be, is is it? Is it still injury related or is he just not a fit for this team? Because I've seen guys, he's coming with high expectation and he has been a shut down ball hawk corner in the dome and in, in, in, in with the, with the saints. And now he's in this system and I'm looking at it at times going. I just don't see it.
Speaker 1:For me the I'll really we'll get more of another guy who you want to look at when the pads come on. We'll get more of a guy who you want to look at when the pads come on. We'll get more of a feel for him as well. Um, but I'm not concerned because there are times where I've seen really good coverage from him and neighbors at the end is like that russell wilson throws a beautiful ball and neighbors it was one specific play in one-on-ones and neighbors makes a great sideline uh, toe tapping, catch in the end zone. Um, so to me there's been good play, uh, times where he's had good coverage.
Speaker 1:But that moon ball that neighbors beat him on when russ threw it 40, 50 yards, it was a little concerning and it looked like he kind of tripped at the end of it to make up for getting beat and just was like all right, let him have it. Don't want to, don't want to make myself look too bad here, so he kind of. You know, I don't know if it was on purpose, it looked on purpose, but I'm not going to get into conspiracies.
Speaker 2:You know what? I am not going to get into conspiracies, but I will tell you this. It looked like he just fell on purpose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm on my Twitter page or X page right now. I'm gonna go to look at the place. Just look at it real quick. It just looks like he just at the end. He just dove. Yeah, but I'm not concerned with it yet. It is just three days. He's still learning that Bowen system. This is the time to learn it here in camp. If we continue to see it, I'll be a little more concerned. But again, this is Malik, neighbors and Neighbors has had a fantastic camp.
Speaker 2:It's not just been Malik Neighbors.
Speaker 1:I do think Wandale had him a few times.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's what I'm saying. This is not just Malik Neighbors. I do think Wandale had him a few times. Yes, yes, and that's what I'm saying. This is this is not just Malik neighbors, this is this is he, he is, he has been, he, he has been. And I know the receivers have more of the. But here's the problem I'm having. I can't say defensive back to receiver. The receiver has more of an advantage because you're not allowed to touch the guy anyways as a defensive back to receiver, the receiver has more of an advantage because you're not allowed to touch the guy anyways as a defensive back, because five yards, because that's a penalty.
Speaker 1:So I can't sit there and tell you that, yeah, no, he's, he's this because but I feel like as a as a DB, you can play a little more free when you know at least some things will be let go and you're able to tackle Um but yeah, it's not even him with the ability to tackle.
Speaker 2:It's the ability is getting beat.
Speaker 1:Oh no, yeah, no. And there's times where he's just get like that play that he trips on. He was completely beat.
Speaker 2:Even if he didn't, even if he didn't trip. Yeah, trip, yeah, trip or you know, I'm going to say he fell because because, to your point, I'm not I'm not generating, I'm not generating any conspiracy theories but it looked a little suspicious that he was kind of like it was. It was, you know what, like a dove I'm not calling it the lebron flop, but it was pretty close. That's, that's all, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1:And he got cooked a couple times by wanda romson yeah, he, and it was a few, I think it was like two or three times by wandale. Majority was neighbors. Uh, I don't, I don't remember him going, you know, on anyone else, but the the thing I'm, I'm not concerned yet, like cause, like I said, this is neighbors and when it is Wanda you keep saying it's neighbors, it's neighbors, it's neighbors.
Speaker 2:This is supposed to be a top five Lock five he's going to have to guard top receivers. Lockdown guy and neighbors to me right now is probably, I would say, seventh or eighth best wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1:Maybe a little better.
Speaker 2:I know everyone loves neighbors right now, but he's probably if we're going to be realistic he's about seventh or eighth and that's pushing it for a second year wide receiver who has a toe issue that has already said that he may need surgery on down the future I.
Speaker 1:I see, just going by how he's looking, though I don't know how he could say he needs surgery. Maybe he feels something, but he looks quick man like I don't. I didn't see any signs of you know unhealthiness, but I mean, you know, obviously I'm not him, so I don don't feel you know what he's feeling. But yes, that that when you bring it up like that, a Debo is going to have to guard some top receivers. We play the bike.
Speaker 2:He's supposed to be our CB one.
Speaker 1:He's going to have to go to Justin Jefferson this year. There's at a point he's going to have to guard um CD lamb of the Cowboys, obviously AJ Brown. So there are going to be guys that are good that he's going to have to cover. But the main, the main thing, is just three days in. You know you are, and when you're three days in you don't know the system. You know all that well right now and you know. Add that on top of the fact you're guarding such a great receiver like neighbors and I know you said there were you know a few to Wandale.
Speaker 1:But I'm just going to give him some more time, I'm not going to panic yet, but one of the things that is a little concerning is, outside of one pass breakup on day one, I haven't seen many highlights for him. Tyler Newbin has had some good days. Trey Hawkins even has put together some good practices, like I mentioned before. Nick Jones, andrew Phillips had a nice pick, but he's a guy who just hasn't really stood out yet and you paid him all that money. He's your CB1. You want to see more of them, and I haven't seen much of Holland either.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I'm just not paying attention to him, but I they say sometimes it's a good thing that you don't see or you don't hear from him that means he's doing his job. Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of holland either like I haven't seen.
Speaker 1:I've seen it.
Speaker 2:Obviously I've seen him on the field when I was there, but I haven't seen any like highlights or bad plays no, no, I can't, I can't, I can't say I can't say that either, but I I do, like I said, I I have, I. I have the adibo concern right now because I understand, you know, malik neighbors is going into year two. He's going to be fantastic, I get all that, but you're paying a guy CB one money to lock. How is he going to handle AJ Brown? How is he going to handle Devante Smith? How is he going to handle CD lamb? How is he going to handle Terry McLaurin? How is he going to hand Deebo Samuels? You got a lot of guys in your own division that he isn't going to have to play against and if he can't handle neighbors in practice, how is he going to handle these guys in a real game?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's something you got to think about. But I'm going to, through this next week of practice, I'm going to really start paying even more attention to Adibo, just because you know how he's doing against other guys as well, and when the pads come on I'll pay attention to him more as well. You know, get more of a feel for him. But one more thing before we do wrap it up here. I want to mention quickly.
Speaker 1:Dt2 was a battle we talked about last episode a little bit. Roy Robertson Harris has been the main guy they used there and they did just pay him two years $9 million. A little concerning, because I'm not a big roy robertson aries guy. I think if he's your dt2, you got problems. Um, he, it was him, nachos and dexter is the the three guys at some points and it was a little. You know, I'm a little nervous for that as well, because the run defense is one of the big concerns and roy robertson aries has never been a guy who's been known to stop the run led better, has been better, at least when he's played, no pun intended, um, but darius alexander hasn't been doing anything. He looks really slow and he hasn't gotten any reps with the ones, um, and even when he's playing with the twos, it's not much in 11 on 11s because he's gassed quickly. Um, and that's something that I've noticed.
Speaker 2:That is very concerning well, I'm not, I'm not gonna thing, is this, especially even with the offensive line, I am not going to get concerned yet because there's no contact.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Once there's contact then I will get concerned because right now we're not seeing. But to your point that I did find surprising for a guy that it's an undersized defensive tackle at 300 pounds who was supposed who we heard from Joe Shane called you know he, he is an athlete who can rush the passer. Yeah, that's cause he's not a run stuffer. I mean everyone talks about his run stopping grade and all this. No, he's not a run stuffer, he is. Joe Shane even said he is an athletic defensive tackle who can rush the passer and he's undersized. And for a guy that is that. Yes, it is a little concerning that I've seen the same thing that he he's sitting there a lot with and anytime you see a player with his hands on his knees you know even after a short period of time that means you're winded.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he has, he has. But, like I said, we have to wait. The offensive line, we need to wait for contact, same with the linebacker, same with the running backs. We need contact. We can't because it's this Ole defense that, hey, I got to let him go, here we go, he's going to go around. Oh, like you just got to touch them. Well, I didn't tackle him, you know. So I'm kind of curious to see you know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1:That's when it's going to get really exciting. One question for you before we leave who is your prediction on the first fight? One guy against one guy? Who do you think is going to be the first fight? And I know there's times where fights are multiple people, but if it's one-on-one, who do you think gets into that fight?
Speaker 2:Oh, one-on-one.
Speaker 1:I am going, I am going to go with the volatile Brian Burns and I'm going Chris. Hubbard, I'm going to go Thibodeau and Illuminor Okay, Because I know they've had some beef on Twitter Not really, they just friend beef going back and forth. But I do think the heat will get to them and they'll be getting a little more serious with that and that'll turn into something. But maybe I'll do Carter and Theo Johnson and find each other on the sideline. Who knows?
Speaker 2:Well, theo Johnson outside of a few plays here and there has been the seventh rounder has been more prevalent than Theo Johnson.
Speaker 1:Fedoni. Fedoni made a nice one-handed catch, but I love Doljic.
Speaker 2:Theo Johnson had one play day, one one and it was a touchdown, I think in the back of the end zone, but I haven't really seen much else. Yeah, since, since then.
Speaker 1:So I mean, you know he's been quietly good, like he's made his plays, but he hasn't been like outstanding.
Speaker 2:No, he, he needs. But the problem is this you are playing again with no contact, so you're, you're running free, yeah, and and so I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's like it's kind of weird. So, like I said, all that's going to change once you slap on the pads. We're going to end it here because you know we want you all yearning for more and again we'll. We're going to start having, like I said, right we're going to do once the season gets started, we're probably going to do a, probably, like, depending on when the game is, we'll do like a a, a pre, pre episode where we break down the matchup, and then we'll probably do a smaller post episode afterwards, after the game, maybe on Monday, and have that up as well. But we are going to try to give you more training camp updates. What days are you going? You're going. You may be going out, of course, on the next couple days, but uh, I know you're probably going this sunday.
Speaker 1:What are you going?
Speaker 2:are you going any other days next week?
Speaker 1:the plan is friday, saturday are the two days, two days left that I'm going. And then you know I'm going to try for the joint practice with the jets. I don't have those reserved yet but you know I'll work my magic. Um, but yeah, but one of those joint practices?
Speaker 2:obviously I'm not did Madeline Burke say one of the joint practices for the, for the, for the Jets, when it, when is it the first one reported.
Speaker 1:Actually it's August 12th, august 13th so it's all.
Speaker 2:So it is August. So it is August 12th or August. Are the wait?
Speaker 1:it is, or it's both days or one day it's two days one August 12th in Florham Park where the Jets are, and then one on August 13th in Question Night.
Speaker 2:But again, this is coming from Madeline Burke.
Speaker 1:No, this was reported and confirmed by a bunch of reporters, but she was first to that too. She got it right, so I got to give her a. She gets a lot of the time. I'm going to defend Madeline Burke here.
Speaker 2:I'm a Madeline Burke here. I'm a Madeline Burke fan. Well, I'm not going to defend her, because she blew me off when I posted something that she should come on the show.
Speaker 1:All right, that's fair.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to be a Madeline Burke fan.
Speaker 1:Maybe she'll come on my show.
Speaker 2:I'm not a shill for Madeline Burke, like some people are.
Speaker 1:Watch her be the first guest, the first reporter guest we ever get on here. She finds out everything you said and she's like I'm not doing it if he's.
Speaker 2:This is the same guy that told uh uh. That told what, told judy patisa that I was wearing a hat and I'm upset because I was basically interviewing. I thought I was going to be interviewing for an nfl network job when I had and at the end of my interview. So you think I'm really going to care about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you also told me to go up to a specific someone with a specific sticker and say you know, this is yours.
Speaker 2:Okay, first of all, that was funny as shit and for the Ryan's trying to be nice. But talking giants and giants, whatever it is, now we're all at the thing. At the event it was day one, and who was the guy that gave? Oh, I got tickets to the. You said the 13th. Oh, I got tickets to the 13th.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know if you're fucking invited.
Speaker 1:Alright, we'll see.
Speaker 2:Who was the guy, who was the one guy that was in the parking lot that gave you the sticker?
Speaker 1:Bobby Skinner Shout out Bobby, Great guy.
Speaker 2:Bobby Skinner. He's a douchebag. Bobby Skinner is on a new channel and he has I don't know. He has the name of his channel on stickers, of his channel on stickers, and young Ryan went up there and got the sticker and the other guy that he used to be with. Who's that guy? What's that guy's?
Speaker 1:name Justin panic.
Speaker 2:Justin panic, who is now on what show talking giants? Talking giants, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:And then, giant station shows for Bobby.
Speaker 2:John say so young Ryan has a giants nation sticker and we saw J J Justin, justin, justin in the stands. So I I told Ryan, I said I will give you $40. If you take this sticker and you walk it up and hand it to Justin. And did you do it?
Speaker 1:No, look, I'm new to the podcasting world. I can't make any enemies early on.
Speaker 2:We were actually hanging out with New York Revival. I will give a shout out to Eli and everyone else. We were hanging out with them and they even said to you what did they tell you to do?
Speaker 1:Like Justin would think it's funny.
Speaker 2:Justin would think it's funny and you didn't.
Speaker 1:Okay, but look, I just gotta say, if you're, gonna run with the Bulls. I did a show with Bobby yesterday. Shout out, Bobby. I'm a big Bobby fan. I like Giant Station show, Along with Tim and Big Dash. Those are probably my favorite three.
Speaker 2:Well it's my show than the others. Probably my favorite three Well it's my show than the others, because you're already on thin ice. Just let you know that.
Speaker 1:Always on my big blue first.
Speaker 2:I'm already looking for a replacement for New York Giants. I'm going to try to see if Carl Banks is available.
Speaker 1:Maybe Justin Pennington will do it.
Speaker 2:Well, the views he's getting, he might as well. Oh sorry.
Speaker 1:We got to end it there. We got to end it there. We got to end it there.
Speaker 2:No, we're not going to end it there, because all he's got to do is come here and kiss the ring, and then I will help him get back on top. Oh, tell him your big subscriber news.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I hit 200 subscribers recently, up to 207 now. Next goal is 500.
Speaker 2:Anytime, Are you going to do anything for 500 subscribers? You're going to do like a giveaway. You're going to do a.
Speaker 1:I'll do something crazy. It's not your question. I'll do something crazy.
Speaker 2:Listen, all right, listen. I helped you get to your first goal. I helped you get to your second goal of subscribers. If I get you to 500 subscribers goal, I helped you get to your second goal of subscribers. If I get you to 500 subscribers, can I pick? What crazy thing you have to do?
Speaker 1:Depends Okay.
Speaker 2:No, there's no depends If I help you get to 500.
Speaker 1:No, if you help me get to 500 by the first Thursday night football game against the Eagles, the one the Thursday night football game against the Eagles. The Thursday night football game against the Eagles what day is?
Speaker 2:that Week six.
Speaker 1:October something.
Speaker 2:If I can get you 500 subscribers by October, you will allow me to pick what crazy thing you do. Yes, oh, all right. So right, there, we're going to end it. Of course, this is New York Giants Generation talking everything New York Giants football from that generational perspective. I am Tim from New York Giants. They talk online Big blue with, of course, Ryan and Ryan's big blue pocket.
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