Meet Jessica Lopes & Charl Vinz: Temps de trajet

„Temps de trajet“ ist ein hybrides und engagiertes Projekt an der Schnittstelle von Graphic Novel und illustriertem Essay. Durch die Verbindung von soziologischer Recherche, persönlichen Erzählungen und zeichnerischer Beobachtung verleihen Jessica Lopes und Charl Vinz einer alltäglichen Realität eine sinnliche und verkörperte Form: der Zeit, die in Verkehrsmitteln verbracht wird. Ausgehend von vierzehn vor Ort dokumentierten Wegen macht das Duo soziale Ungleichheiten sichtbar, die sich entlang dieser Routen offenbaren. 

Anne und Laurent von Dialog Osten luden Jessica und Charl im November 2025 zum Interview ein.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:17

My name is Laurent, and I'm this episode with Anne. Our invitation are Jessica Lopez and Charles Vince who publishes in editions Pointemo their trajectories. Your life has the form of an assay graphic that contained texts and very bad illustrations. On a seven planches, we are in route with a dozen, and we observe, analyze, and illustrated the reality of trajectory domicile. Jessica, why is this idea formidable?

SPEAKER_04 0:57

The idea of the format of roman graphic is simply by the fact that we have that capacity at the moment, but after the sujet is also very personal. I'm two in the south of the country and I travel in Luxembourgville. Charles at the moment, he has an atelier at the moment. And it was a discussion. It's interesting to render that your journey is two hours than some of your trajectory. So it's part of a bit of this discussion very intimate, personal, which I think we were a little bit reorganized at the moment. After the petition, I am and it's Charles who ranges the cuisine. It's a little bit like that we have the justice. But the time that we spent, we are saying that it's a omnipresent, that we talk all the time. When we arrive at the time, the colleagues release a little bit their historians of great bouchons, etc. I've been with two people frontal, one of France, one of Belgium. So too doucement, it's a job that has place for us, and we said there's a lot of trajectories.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Jessica, is we have a show in the hour of department when you put your trajectory an hour, or is it obligated to go at an hour precise and to work at an hour precise?

SPEAKER_04 2:47

I come in general at tour of 9 hours, but if you were at 8 hours or 9 hours and it's not very grave. But if the train has a retard, it's not a great ango. And that's something that we want very well in the lives for the people who have very rigid, it puts another environment, the trajectory.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

We have designed an horloge, and the idea was to have a trajectory at each moment of the journey. And to connect the people, it was in the world of the night for a year. We have a lot of development than Levi who traveled in the ateliers at the moment. The idea was really to have an ensemble of trajects representing, it's a big trajectory like a long, frontal of white people. We wanted to have a trajectory very simple, very sweet, vélo, at the pain, on transport in community, in the city.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

And we did that we had wanted to have a trajectory cool, long, and we know also that it's very diversifield in the lives. The living orientation we have in the day this idea precisely of this horloge to accompany the people after 24 hours, those suggestions were a few at what we do in the day.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

I think the day it was the idea to make a living. We said we will get an expo along the trajectory. And it's just when we wanted to accompany the people, when we said it's super rich, we should have.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

The idea was really to document what we had to do, and we were with a imposed or revendication or we were based on the people. And for that the people were very libre and very appreciative.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Jessica, you have in your life, you hear of observation participants, I think. What you want to understand by this? I think that has much to do with what we're going to discuss.

SPEAKER_04 8:32

Well, exactly. And the observation participante is an methodology used in sociology or anthropology where simply we participate with situations that we want to observe. People are invited to their life. We have people who have this trajectory during a dizay, yeah, but the five news the experience completely, but it has permitted to see a little bit that it was to work so to go one hour and a year Verdun, Belleval, noir, sick luminary. It's an experience a bit inevitable.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

We have Lindita who is Trève, Jaywells who is Villerus. It's important to have the three people. We have trajets in the Luxembourg that are not the most evident, like Celia who is at Hesch and who is at Grevenmacher quotidienly, which is the complicated. We have trajets in the main village. Marco who contacted on a trajet very interesting and I'm passionate of urbanism. And he aimed his trajet. Nenad de Metz who travels in village.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

It's super interesting. He said if you know that at IKEA, the frontalians for co-voiting, if we would. Evidently, the Sud is represented in Luxembourgville, but it corresponds also to the reality. It's the autorout the pluson that we have in Luxembourg. We have one very enthusiastic, but it was the bus that had not permitted to accompany for reasons of assurance. After Charles, you wanted to absolutely have a trajectory with their friends.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

In it, it wanted to finish the life also, because the remark had a few days and we could. But I mean the trajectory of an alfan who is at the life because we thought that it was the line where we went to sit in a certain way, and so we went to have a trajet pendulum, to run a travel. Also in Luxembourg, and now we've already been interested, it was also the people who travel on a chanteen where they put a camion, who have a tour to recuperate other people to run a chantier.

SPEAKER_04 14:41

The bus who cherry have been supprimed these days, but it continues to exist. But finally it was annual. I think what the living, and it's on top for me personally, the trajectory that has the plus, is Annabella who is the tard at Villrup and who attends 45 minutes in an array of bus that has. It was in December that we had this trajectory, and we have attended 45 minutes with him the December at that bus, that has to complain the problem.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Is that a change that is in order to change, to bouge? Is that we have into the time or the trajectory that you fit you then, is that we have to concentrate other things with? Is there anything of trajectory already that we can imagine or the trajectory is very inegal and the living is very inequal, depending on their position social in our society.

SPEAKER_04 18:24

And that's what the service, the which it has a presence physique. When we are in retard, we have an avertissement, etc. Although in other methods where the position social is a bit elevated, we can very facilitate prevention and say that there's a gross bouchon and person, but you know that in Luxembourg it will be at the time, it's part of them. There's not that condescendance. And there are the people who are often also the more remunerated, which is that it's often the people who live the line. And they're also the people who are not telecomable. So we know there are solutions that are proposed to the trajectory, but these solutions will concerning principally the methods who have a certain flexibility. So when we see all these bureaux that appear at frontiers Luxembourgeoises, I don't know exactly what there is a term, I don't know how it is. Oh, the bureaucracy satellite they're not for bureaucracy, the color blanket. The flexibility in the horror for the call blanket, the telecom that is often presented. So there's not more reflection on how collectively we can gain. And evidently that touches too, it touches to the aménagmental territory, the price of the pose the question of a reduction of the time of time, of compensation for the non-trava. So the question is a little bit more large than the question of the mobility.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

And another thing that I've had a little at the moment when I learned the life, is that the trajectory rests an essence of time where the people are very solitary and that it would also take that solitude by the partage where we covet is a solution, but certainly not for all the world because it will come at the same time. It's a certain organization that works for all the world.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

And the people of the meeting and are de facto. It's not a moment public. And it poses the question of that disponibility. We have also enough fatigue, in the trajectory of night, the trajectory, or the trajectory of people who are difficult. The people, they are fatigued, the people are on their eyes, but it's a lot that we comprend, they're not disponible at this moment. It's a moment where we go to the track, we have a way to attract some train, we have a change, we have a friend at charge, we have other things to do with our trajet after. The stress also at this moment. And I think that the stress is a factor of solitude. And so I don't know if it's a time very disponible in fact. That's why we talk more of time perfectly. When we have a trajectory that are long, it's not disponible to make other children.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

We have also had the dimension genre of trajets and the disponibility. It's a time a bit subi. And just we have many people.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

And we say after the trajectory to recuperate a bit, the sommeil that we have the night. But it's a little question that we pose where the time that could be getting, but it's just a time for a journey of 24 hours.

SPEAKER_04 25:48

And it's perfect for the collective. And when the time of trade wants eight hours or plus, because the attitudes mean that the people more than eight hours, and once of that you have a trajectory, it doesn't have a lot of time, certainly if we have a family, to make activities collective, to construct also a resource of solidarity, associative. It's that it will be.