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COFFEE AND CONDOMS 68: Max B Walks Out, Jay-Z Freestyle & Wild Headlines

Season 2 Episode 68

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EP 68 GUEST: Umi Wagoner of eTc Taoma https://www.etctacoma.com/ @etctacoma on all socials.

Today on CoFFeeAndCondoms, we're diving into hip-hop, culture, fashion, technology, and some of the wildest headlines making the rounds.

We start with Max B reportedly walking out of an interview after seeing where he ranked on a list of the top New York rappers. Was he justified, or should artists let the fans debate?

Then we talk about Jay-Z's freestyle at the Roots Picnic, and whether Hov still reminds people why he's considered one of the greatest to ever touch a microphone.

We also highlight Kalu Putik fashion from Ethiopia, discussing culture, style, and how African fashion continues influencing the world.

Plus:

  • The conversation around genetic research and Down syndrome
  • A disturbing case involving a couple accused of abusing adopted children
  • And a major move in Black media as Bob Johnson, Queen Latifah, and LL Cool J join a new BET advisory council

Culture, opinions, music, and real conversations — just how we do it on CoFFeeAndCondoms.

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SPEAKER_05

Happen and it feels good. So let me put you on some coffee and condoms. One of my brain childs. Okay. Um so what happened was originally when I started doing coffee and condoms, we had a full garage. Okay. And for me, I was like, you know what? Uh, this was the concept was supposed to have been four women, four men, different age groups, and we was talking like relationships and all kind of shit. Turned out it was about 15 niggas in this motherfucker. And me and Jay Will was in the joint, right? So me and Jay Will did comedy together. So it was me and him, and then a bunch of randoms. And we was all up in the joint, and that is how Coffee and Condum started out. And we was like, yo, this is not what we wanted to be. So I revamped, killed the original idea, and was like, let me let me go back. So when we started again, it was me, Jay Will, and Terry Free from Cube 93, right? So then she got on, but she couldn't keep coming down from Seattle. And at the time, kind of right before she dipped, me and Miss Newman had been rocking already. Okay. And I brought Miss Newman in to do an episode, and she did an episode, and the dynamic was fire because it was two women, two men, and it just kind of worked. Then once she couldn't, Terry was like, Well, I can't really make it. Then it just came down to being us three. Okay. And then every blue moon, my man Blue pops in and does his thing. You know what I mean? Every week. That's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, every week.

SPEAKER_04

He just made himself a co-host.

SPEAKER_06

We blue that came in with it. Like he got a house key, man. He can get in when we ain't blue here. Blow it out. Blow it out. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05

Blue, you my boy, blue. You my boy, Blue. And that's what it is. So let's go ahead and get into it on this gloomy Saturday. This is Coffee and Condoms. I am officially in the building, man. I got some special guests. Well, a special guest in the building. So we will introduce him last. But again, how we always do, my brother off to the left.

SPEAKER_06

What it do, man? It's your boy Jay Willem in the building. What's happening?

SPEAKER_05

And my sister.

SPEAKER_04

Hey, it's Miss Newman, baby.

SPEAKER_05

You know what it is. And a special guest again. So, first of all, for y'all that don't know, it's been my birthday month. I'm a Gemini. I celebrate all Gemini season. And I've been trying to have special guests, people that I rock with, but that not just rock with, but have been family to me one way or another. So I want to, it takes pride for me to introduce my little brother, the man, the creator of ETC clothing. Umi, what's good, my nigga? That's quite the intro. That's quite the intro. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03

From my from my true OG. Like, I mean, like, my entire life. Yeah, entire life, and you still look the same, nigga. I don't know. I don't know. That's always a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01

As long as I know, yeah. As long as I got no hair on me, they can't have you with it.

SPEAKER_05

I have forced this shit there.

SPEAKER_03

Willpower.

SPEAKER_05

54 years, man.

SPEAKER_03

No, the true, the true in the original first baby face, man. And babyface killer, because you was not gonna get baby, nigga. The legend of you is a legend in my family.

SPEAKER_06

That's episode 85 when we come back. Let me tell you, man.

SPEAKER_05

Umi was there. Umi was there.

SPEAKER_06

Before we tell we tell what school used to be, I need to consult my lawyer first, because I don't want to testify about it later, man. Some things you don't want to talk about on the air.

SPEAKER_05

I be trying to tell cats like y'all just don't understand what it was back in the 90s, boy.

SPEAKER_06

I was a monster. Man. But here's the thing, man. He gave you the shout out and told you what he does. But man, let me put it something on it. Et cetera, clothing brand, man. It's those t-shirts you see me on stage, the hilltop joint. Yeah. Man, we made that famous just with performing at Nates, performing at Ha Ha Tuesdays. Mad people came up later, and it was a great way to promote, et cetera. Right here in Tacoma, man. Prince T-shirts, t-shirts, hoodies, man. You name it, they do it. But they got this cold concept. They will shoot you a design. You only get one opportunity to get it. If you ain't in that line or you ain't look here, they don't even do that. You can pre-mm. They make you come out and support the business. You gotta get good quality clothing. And on top of that, the designs be fire. They got the hilltop, they got the Lakewood joint. I copped all of them because I've lived there. So man, it was a cold drop, but man, they keep putting out these fat, dope designs. So man, it's not just he's here with us. It's man, he's promoting a brand. Tap in with it.

SPEAKER_05

And that being said, we got some topics to get into. But before we get into our topics, Umi, please give him that back. Let's give it, give it to us, man. First of all, again, I've known Umi since he was eight years old. Maybe younger. Maybe younger. I think younger, honestly. Yeah, real talk. Real talk. And here's the thing. Like, I remember when you went down to Cali, did your school shit, started a little clothing brand. You jumped in with a clothing brand down there, right? Yep. Then came back, because you was with the Bathing Apes or something down there, right? The Hundreds, which is the Hundreds.

SPEAKER_03

So the Hundreds was one of the bigger brands from California, as like the the streetwear industry was the industry that part of the clothing industry that I'm in, was like just getting uh some national notoriety. Okay. So the timing was like really uh divine, honestly. And then, you know, I think a lot of the things played into it. To your point, the reason why I went down to Los Angeles is me and Chioke are first generation Tacomans. So all of our people are from are in Santa Monica and in Compton. So I was really trying to get you know close to my roots. Okay. That was a big part of it. But also, uh, you know, the fashion industry here I didn't see Lacking. Yes. You won't say it, I'll say it. I like the way you try to be political everybody. I appreciate that. You didn't want to say nothing bad about your constituents. I will lack it. So because of that, um, I knew that I needed to go and find a way to get into the thing, right? Right, right. To be around it. And that's what LA was for me. And then um, yeah, it was been beautiful. That that company um plus schooling showed me how to do it. It was it was college plus work experience at the same time. It was beautiful.

SPEAKER_05

And then you came back here and just took over the game.

SPEAKER_03

Literally, me and so I I don't own it alone. My it's co-owned with Paris Wright. That's my brother. We started a business together when we were 16 and 17. Right. We are now 38, 37. Yeah, grown man. Yeah, or 36, 37, pardon me, the one age us too much. And uh, we are still in business together and still we all in the business the whole time.

SPEAKER_05

So hold up. Let me address the ETC glasses you got. Uh shit's is fire, man. We ain't gonna bring that up. I'm over here looking like the emblem off the side of the house. Oh, yeah. We're gonna put the brand on the vision. You know, you may have glasses. I got contacts in right now. Like, is that just exclusive to you? It's not just a vision, it's a fashion way. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

What's funny is it what the glasses are so funny that they're gaining any traction because I the we came out with these like two years ago, to your point. They were going like 48 hours or something like that. I've never seen them again. I've never seen them again. The first time I saw a pair was a pair last night. I was out doing this uh future night or whatever at Airport Tavern, and the the homie pulled up and he had them. But to your point, I haven't seen them again. But I do a lot of customizing, like that is me as a designer, is uh a lot of customization and like one one-on-one designs for myself. Okay. Which makes sense. Yep, yep, exactly.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, I'm pulling the big brother card. Okay, can I get some customized scooters?

SPEAKER_06

Yes, yeah, we can definitely. I don't know why. I wonder how long was it gonna take? I thought he was gonna cut him off in the middle, but hey, so when when I come down, can I get my shit? That was gonna happen so fast.

SPEAKER_05

So again, like, so you come back here. Yep, how does ETC get started?

SPEAKER_03

So I didn't come back here. I came back here because of ETC. Okay. There were there was um, that was the opportunity proposition to getting back to Tacoma. Paris was like, yo, man, all right, you're you've been in the industry for a bit now. I've been uh, you know, in a career position for a bit now. I'm I'm over this. Are we do you still think that and are you willing to come back up here? Do you think the store thing could work? And I was like, Yeah, a thousand percent can work. And are you asking me if I'd rather work for myself than someone else and yourself? Right? And so that was how I got back. Was he gave the phone call, and if Paris is ready to go on something, I can move. Yeah, sometimes the vibe is just there, that's what business part is supposed to be.

SPEAKER_06

That's and that's what it is. When we get to that point, when you stop, I'm already thinking of how we can keep it moving forward.

SPEAKER_05

So now, location you're so now, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03

Now we started off on Pacific Avenue. We were 907, so there's a portion of our fan base that's club 907 because that's the clubhouse we created that was essentially like a hub for some youth coming out of further south. So like Lacey and Olympia, and like, you know, some of that Bethel Lakes adjacent areas. Just light flexes, though. Light flexes. Light flexes, light flexes.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, that was a little pause.

SPEAKER_03

For those coming down south on us after five years, the we had to move. We were kind of forced to move, so we made a big deal out of it. We did make it stink. I was pissed. And uh, we were able to stay in the same building, but um exactly, and I was just very so now we're on ninth. We were on Pacific Avenue. Oh, but you want to be on the you want to be on the main street. Yeah, yeah. That's where the traffic is. What we did learn is that the foot traffic is not on Pacific, there's cars, but the walking traffic is on ninth. Okay. So we're at the bottom of the 9th Street here. We're right before you get on the 705, we're on the right hand side.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Um and in between, we're in between uh Evolve Device Repair and Grace Cray. So there's that. Um just businesses around us, and we've been there for seven years. 12 years.

SPEAKER_05

Yo, that's crazy. You know what's crazy? So your brother Chi always hits me up, and she always says to me, So Chi has always been like a work dude. That's like that's his thing.

SPEAKER_02

He literally.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, he's a work dude. And she always hits me up every blue moon, and he'll say, you know what? Two people always unknown that chase their dreams is you and Umi. And I'll be like, I mean, I guess I chase mine. Umi chased his for real. I don't know if I necessarily chased mine as much as mine kind of fell back into my lap. You know what I mean? Because I was a work dude too, you know what I mean? To be honest, it took me to get 50 extra to be like, you know what, nigga, I gotta start living for myself. That's right. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And start really investing into me. In me. And I'll be honest, Umi, real talking. You might and first time he's hearing this. When I saw you going out, because she always stayed at me. When I moved back to Philly, Umi was at me, yo, uh, I mean, she was at me, Umi's doing this, Umi's doing. And I was like, man, when I came back here, he was like, Umi's doing this. That motivated me because I was like, damn, Umi always been never dummy, never, never goofy dude, always been an intelligent young man. And I was just like, man, that empowered me to be to be honest with you, my guy. That empowered me to be like, yo, I need to get on this. Because he was young and he was going out and grabbing it without fail. You know what I mean? And if it wasn't even if he did fail, he was like, I'm doing this. And that motivated me to be like, y'all need to get on my shit. Like, if these young casts is out here getting it, I need to be out here getting it. You know what I mean? And that was important for me, man. And I say that to anybody out there. If you got a goal, if you got a dream, if you're not living in your purpose, get into your purpose, man. Figure that shit out and get into it. Cause I gotta be honest, man. Like, I just uh got my license for my LLC. Okay. All that shit just came, man. So the gifted initiative is coming through. You know, I just trademarked coffee and condoms. You know, I'm hooking up with my homegirl Demi. Shout out to Demi to make my comic book come to fruition. You know, like I've been on my grind with my stuff, you know, because I don't, I really want to, you know, I gotta invest in the me. I'm mad that it took me this long to start investing in the meat. So a legacy, man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Because I was gonna say you uh and I remember you being a dad and you moved like a dad. So to that, nigga, you did exactly what you were supposed to. Yeah, yeah. You nurture, thank you, sir. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03

Before you could get back into nursery yourself. That's right.

SPEAKER_04

But the timing isn't ours. That's that's the whole thing about it. The timing isn't ours. We always, like, if you ever notice that's the bar that when you made a, if you've ever made a plan to do, I'm gonna plan to do this, I'm gonna plan to do that, right? That fucking plan fails. It never comes to fruition. Because it isn't your plan. What you have to put in your mind is, or what the creator will do, you have to come up with whatever it is that you want to do and it's in your heart, right? Once you start going forward with that, then God will, or the creator, whoever you believe in, will meet you halfway or give you little pats and pushes. You may fail because nobody said it would be easy, correct? Right, right. But the thing of it is, is it was if that was the case, all of us would have been rich as a motherfucker by now. Everybody in here would have been rich as fuck as well.

SPEAKER_06

I got a spinning problem.

SPEAKER_04

I got the spinning problem. I just got $40 and I'm going to the motherfucker. I'm going to look at Super How.

SPEAKER_06

I got my checking account.

SPEAKER_04

And I know about the use that, but that savers account. I ain't never seen it. No, you know why when I put it in, I end up taking it right back. I try to put the shit in.

SPEAKER_06

If I check my balance, it's a checking. You owe some people, and then it say saving. Negative nothing.

SPEAKER_05

You know what the crazy omen used, I have a child. I now have a child that has a child and about to have another child. It is. Can we get some boys in this motherfucker, please? Hey, hey, hey, you can torture the back for all the shit you did.

SPEAKER_06

I got granddaughters and I know why. God said it. I told you then. You probably shouldn't have done that. Use the payback for that. Now I got to go and protect the walls.

SPEAKER_05

But I'm glad I got you in here. We do have some topics to get through. So bring them up, X. So, you know, I like to, because I like to have people come in, but I like to get on our clown shit and talk about these topics in the world. Because I feel like, you know what? Some of this shit. Some dope. It is. It is. Some dope shit just happening in the world. And we're gonna start with it. Come on. First of all, I don't even know who the cat is. The Max B dude. I don't know who Max B is. When I hear Max B, I think of uh what's the uh uh uh the B2K cat? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. This is some rapper from New York. You think of Raspbies?

SPEAKER_03

Y'all never came back.

SPEAKER_04

I never came back. And when I stopped him, I thought, I thought, why when did B2K have a rap song? Because I wasn't deep on him anyway, but that wouldn't I okay, so it was Raspbies, and I'm not playing something.

SPEAKER_05

So this dude had the nerve to walk out of interview because he wasn't in the rankings of New York rappers, and I'm like, um, who are you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

There was 112 million New York rappers. You are not gonna, you're not making a second 11 million and two. Let alone is he in the top anything. Who are you to walk out? Like, is I can't stop.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. This is why I'm gonna do it. Youth is in the room. Youth is in the room.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so can you give me a Max B album? What's interesting about Max B is Max B is known, he is the culture that he kind of stands for. He's Jim Jones. Is bigger than he is. Okay. He's Jim Jones.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03

Coke rap, right? Right is a thing, right? Coke rap. It's it's a good New York rap. Like really heavy drug new rap. Like really talking about how it's done. Honestly, you're kind of snitching on yourself, type rap, keeping it above.

SPEAKER_06

Let's talk about a business he is not living like.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Yeah, so Max was a is a is a street dude, and where he got a lot of like the notoriety is like smack DVDs. Yeah. So he's like a real street nigga from New York. Okay. Started making music and almost kind of on some uh rest in peace to this brother, but the dude with the D-voice from New York who died. X. Pop Smoke. Pop Smoke. So he's like a pre-sid. He's like a pre-version of pop, right? Right. And and but his connection to French Montana, who was the person putting out the DVDs in the streets, running around with them. And also, you know, French had some moments where he got thrown them big hits and all that. So Max is like the big homie of a lot of niggas, right? So for him, and he's a nigga who be, you know, who like did his. So he's like, in New York, to be in New York, right, right. I could understand why.

SPEAKER_05

But you still shouldn't be comparing yourself to other New York rappers, Max.

SPEAKER_03

And when we talk about rappers, right, I think, you know, you gotta talk about how it's a competition and everyone thinks they're the best. Well, right. And you should, but when he sees his know your place. Right.

SPEAKER_01

And when he sees his influence, he's like, look at every all these little niggas out here, is me, right?

SPEAKER_03

But my point to to your point is, nigga, that's where hip hop started. You gotta get past, look, you got this.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was gonna say you gotta get past the past 20 niggas, and you keep it a hundred.

SPEAKER_06

You go on reunion tours keep it a hundred, so I was like a hater. Go ahead. When you sit down, every dude that's do sometime, take that little vacation, whatever you were, right? You come back hoping that you're gonna come back to that level. But life outside moves forward. That's facts. So when he was a true New York rapper, he was the big only, everybody knew your street credit. It's a paid in fool story all over again. That's right.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_06

But what happens is the dudes who you used to rap with get better at rap. You got better at doing time, and now you come home and your style does not transcend because you can't talk to life you can't.

SPEAKER_04

Because you're still back there.

SPEAKER_06

So that your lyric and your content.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

But before you went, everybody was telling you what you were gonna be. So here's who I use as influence. Big L. Big L was a spitter. I heard a big L, I was everything underground, I was I was banging.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

But when I heard the Big L was about to sign and about to blow, that's when he met his demise.

SPEAKER_07

That's right.

SPEAKER_06

Now, most people hadn't even heard of Big L unless you were in that area and you grew up off of the underground mixtape circuits. Man, you went to the live party. Big L fan from the just come in and he take the mic and go. Now you look at everybody's talking about Big L and his influence of music. So now you got the young kid who's doing the same song as Big L. He's spitting just like Big L.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah, the young boy, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

But you're copying a style you know nothing about. You heard a song. See, that's what Max B's whole life is off of. They heard your story. But now that you're back, you're not that guy anymore.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You know, and that's crazy, though. That's crazy though, because you, yeah. I mean, it's crazy to be in his own. Because again, you might stop for him.

SPEAKER_05

But you know, people say stuff like, so I guess recently Future said that if if Pac and Big, when Pac and Big was in existence, nobody was checking for Jay-Z. And I was like, what kind of ignorant? Well, first off, if you know your hip-hop knowledge from. That was before when well, here's you gotta understand. When Pac and Big was hot, so we're talking roughly 93 to 97, right?

SPEAKER_01

97-ish.

SPEAKER_05

Jay-Z wrote on the chronic. Right? Jay-Z had the originators. Jay-Z had did the Can I Get Open song. So let's not act like Jay wasn't out there. Jay had did Hawaiian Sophie with with Jazz O, right? So let's not act like if you're if you're to me, that's where ignorance comes from, right? Like you go speak that ignorance out there. You future, you want to go speak that ignorance to the world, right? But here's the fact you're wrong. You're wrong. One thing about hip hop to me is that the hip hop young folks do not do their history. They don't go back, and you know, all music genres, you never hear new rockers shitting on old rockers. You never hear country western cats talking about. They hook up with them. Right? They redoing Jolene. You know what I'm saying? You know, all of these different things. But in hip hop, it's the one music where some young motherfuckers will come in and say shit like, well, I don't really pay attention to them or I don't like them. That Max B says some shit like, Well, when Big Daddy Kane been at? Ain't nobody heard of Kane.

SPEAKER_03

Nigga, it's Kane. And also, Big Daddy Kane is literally outside right now. Nigga just didn't make picnics. I don't know where my nigga had with it. Like, come on. How you gonna do the show? Yeah. Rock Kim literally has a is on a tour revival, nigga.

SPEAKER_05

Like, come on. Like, you you better be happy. Let me say this to you, young boys out there. You better be happy that some of these young motherfuckers, these old MCs, ain't really coming out and releasing albums. Cause you wouldn't have a chance. Let's be real about it. And some of the new cats that have, some of the old cats that have dropped new albums, I've been sucking it up. Excuse me. Red Man, Nas, the King's Disease joints is fire. You know what I mean? We waiting. We waiting for these old cats to drop shit. Jay-Z just did that Roots picnic. Everybody like, well, I can't believe he came out and just this and that. And da da da da.

SPEAKER_06

Yo, Jay came out and just quit quit hating on his front.

SPEAKER_04

Niggas. Yo, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_03

They don't know enough about the hairstyle. They didn't know that he got the Zoe, so he could pick it out. So he could.

SPEAKER_05

So he could. They didn't know. You know, and that's the crazy part. Like, you don't understand. Like, that's what that was on purpose. I saw an interview with Dame Dash. And Dame Dash is like, man, he didn't come out there with no jewelry. He didn't come out there with the Do you not understand why he didn't?

SPEAKER_04

He doesn't have to.

SPEAKER_05

He doesn't have to. He's a billionaire. Dame Dash tried to say, Jay-Z needed, he did that Roots Picnic because he did need to, he needed that. No, he didn't. He did it because finally he was like, you know what? Let me go ahead and address all the shit that's been looking at.

SPEAKER_06

He really did it because he could. Because he could.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, he didn't have to do a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_06

The Roots Picnic is a whole weekend. Yes. Hundreds of people. Oh, I wish I was back in Philly then. And yet still ain't got an album out, ain't been on stage in how long? Walked out there and what? Closed the show.

SPEAKER_05

Now, now I tell you what, here's what people should be talking about. Did you notice the interaction with Freeway, Beans, and Jay-Z? Because you know, Beans had come out and said some stuff about Jay. Like, you know, he could have did this and that. Jay Beans got a food truck and everything in Philly right now. If you notice, Beans and Freeway was on the stage. Jay-Z was always kind of behind. He wasn't really up in the mix with him. Like you could tell, like, yo, I came out here and I rocked and I brought my man's in them because they Philly and I need to. But that's what I was paying attention to. Like, wow, they really not interacting like they used to be interacting. That's what I was thinking about.

SPEAKER_06

Here's the thing that when's the last time they performed, and look how flawless their performance was. See, that's what I look at. Again, people, it's the hip hop industry. The industry itself is gonna allow people to do a bunch of dumb shit, but clickbait for purposes we are beefing. In reality, we are not. We done already had a conversation. What you got was a clip from an interview, and you played that a thousand times and said, and you can spin up you can spin a narrative anyway you want. Anyway you want. That's why I always tell people, man.

SPEAKER_03

And today, you can't even trust that anyway. That's why I don't even want that clip real. That was bad, man. The first time I saw, because I forgot, it was uh the wrist picnic to me lately has been about the art. Oh right. I love that. I love it. 100%. I love that they bring prolific black art to Philly. Yes. Right. Um and then on top of that, the guy who throws the thing, uh, brother Al-Bazir, he lives here now. Oh I didn't know that. That's brother. And so he is uh doing something that's like very um kind of unheard of. And they're allowing they're allowing like that to take place. So for me, like you gotta look at the fact that Jay-Z is still tapping in with stuff that's there. Like right. Right, right, right. On top, he's giving you the high and the low. He's gonna meet you literally on the street, yes, and then he's gonna get your ass in that seat two nights in a row at um uh at Yankee Stadium. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Come on, yeah, man. And like he uh he is um you're you're you're you're not supposed, to me, in my personal opinion, like you're not supposed to hate on that. You're supposed to take from that what you can use. You're supposed to. You're supposed to see if you're gonna be able to do it. You're supposed to.

SPEAKER_05

You have to. Like, to me, real hip-hop heads saw it for what it was supposed to be. Right? So when I saw, I was like, Jay, where you been? You know, finally, and to come out and address all the shit that he addressed, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03

Like which, which he he, you know, yeah. He did simultaneously, like he did two things at once. People were beefing about, you know, I like I recently, I already knew he was, but I like it a little more, Sir Lancewood, right? Uh-huh. He was talking about how Jay has said he wanted to stop a beef.

SPEAKER_05

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03

And then immediately went out there and then just but I'm like, but like, I'm like, but that is how that's done. That's that's how it's done.

SPEAKER_01

That's literally how it's done as a MC. That's how it's done.

SPEAKER_06

That's what a lot of people not go catch. Yeah. They now you see C.

SPEAKER_05

On a business end, I'm saying the beef should stop. But as the MC, the MC. Let me go ahead and address it. Let me address it. Well, I need to address it.

SPEAKER_03

I'm in public at the Roost picnic. And he said he didn't know. Am I incorrect in that? Wasn't it the clip? I don't know if we need if that's necessary anymore. Right. The next time he didn't know. Right. So it's not like he was like, you should not be doing that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

You know what? I'm on stage. Turn the band off for a minute. Hey, can you get these lights right here? I just got something I need to get off my chest real quick.

SPEAKER_04

Get off my chest. Let me tell you.

SPEAKER_05

Let me tell you, if I happen to have stumbled onto the root stage that night, nobody knows Scooter. I would have stumbled on that stage and addressed everything. Then I could have addressed it at that moment. Hey, and let me tell you about this comedian.

SPEAKER_06

You kind of did that on the Tuesday. Oh, Toosy, you wouldn't, you wouldn't have him, didn't you? Was that nate to me?

SPEAKER_05

I was a little bit. We had like five or five drinks. It took a while for me to get on stage and you felt some kind of way, say.

SPEAKER_06

I said what I said, what I said. But since y'all talking about this roof, my mistake, my beside my cousin. He did bring Jay-Z up and who we brought to the stage. Yes. We gonna mention that Meek Mills came out, or we gonna just leave that because Meek ain't really been hot as publicized in a good light lady.

SPEAKER_04

I didn't even know Meek Mills was at them. Yeah, but I mean it's a Philly event. Yeah, but I I have not heard of that one. I have heard about everything else. I didn't watch it. I have heard about everything else, but I have not one. Well, he has not even saw Meek Mills' clips on YouTube.

SPEAKER_06

He waited for nights like this to shine like this, to rhyme like this. He did his song. But the fact that you came out there with your name being tarnished the way it is, I give you credit, man.

SPEAKER_03

Like again, he has never backed down from looking like the crazy.

SPEAKER_06

Everybody always wants to pay attention. Whatever the Diddy mess is, I don't know if it's true or not. So I don't speak on what I don't know nothing about. But the fact that it became a public clickbait. Every YouTube station, man, when you click, someone's speaking on it. But you walked out, and the line that stuck to me is you told Jay-Z he's the greatest rapper of all time, and you're a rapper. I I'm sorry, as a comic, there is nobody greater than me. I love you, and I rock with you and I support you. But can't nobody do me like me. I'm the baddest bitch in the world. But when you publicly do that, and then at the same time, you're taking the backlash of what your image looks like, but you still got out there and spit your bars and your city rock with you. Because when it comes to this comedy shit, I am Hemothy. Come on.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, with the rap shit, it's a competition. It's like why a nigga like Max B would say, I'm out. Word. You're right. You're right. You're right.

SPEAKER_01

You call me here. You're right. You know who I am. And you admit you on this list.

SPEAKER_05

Yo.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Shout out to you. Interviewing me, you're not gonna say it.

SPEAKER_06

Point made. Point made. Okay. But having said exactly what you said, competition. There's nothing that you're gonna do in life where, man, it don't, somebody's not gonna compare you to somebody else. Because somebody did it before you. Come on. Again, I hate comparing. That's why I don't like competition comedy. My style ain't like anybody else's, so what are you judging it on? We're doing it off the crowd in the last four minutes, where I can feed the crowd. If I bring 50 people, you bring 10, my crowd's gonna be louder than your crowd. Come on, crowd. So I don't know how you judge a competition and fairly get a real winner. But I always tell people if you go out on stage and bag down because somebody went before you or they coming after you, shame on you for missing your own.

SPEAKER_04

But that's just like um I did the uh main girls roasting burnington with Rachel now. I'm the every nigga in the entire club. You know, though, and and I'm roasting white girls.

SPEAKER_07

Oh, gosh.

SPEAKER_04

But but but the thing of it is is the I'm roasting white girls, but the whole fucking cafe or the bar looks like guess who? The person I'm roasting. So guess how my jokes are gonna go over when Becky and Maggie all look alike. But their jokes went over wonderful. They talked about fried chicken, or they talked about something burnt, or they talked about, you know, anything that they said that had to do with being dark.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, well, you know, they do that you look like contests down there next and you're allowed to bring your phone. I think, mind you, it's a dope show. But I think personally, it would be doper if they were allowed to bring their phones. Because now you know who really is built for this roast. That's right. Right. Now you really know who built to cook. And when I did it, I didn't bring no phone. I went down there and cooked whoever was in front of me at that moment in time, because that's where I come from. I just want to roast.

SPEAKER_04

I just want to roast for nobody with no phones. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

But the thing with the phone is that means you literally went home and you pre-thought about what you had. Yeah, it's it's like it's like the battles of today. Spontaneous. Uh-huh. You are going at it and it's supposed to be cutthroat with your battle. And if your punch lines are there, it's because in that moment. Yeah. That's one of the reasons why I love trash talk. Trash talk is when you pull that out the bucket, shout out Chris Crazy. Right. Man, you don't have a thousand moments. You in the moment, you really comprehend it, you gotta come up with something right then and there. Yeah, you gotta figure out how to throw it off, but still keep the crowd because you gotta pull something up.

SPEAKER_05

I do love it.

SPEAKER_04

When is that coming up June? It's June 17th. June 17th.

SPEAKER_05

Nate Jackson's trash talk with Chris Crazy. That joint is and I love being part of because you're pulling right out the bucket. I'm going. I'm going. I always go now. Yeah, I don't know if he's gonna put me on, but I always go just to support, but it's just dope because you're pulling out the bucket, it's right off the top. And again, you actually get to see who really got it. You know what I mean? I mean, you also come from that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you're a man who grew up freestyling. So, you know what I mean? For you, go ahead and preach on the umy thing. They don't know me.

SPEAKER_06

They don't know that for sure. Allegedly, we heard the scoop could spit. Yeah, man. But we heard it from Scoop.

SPEAKER_03

So no, no, but there was a time. There was a time, man. Tell them part of like, yeah, me, yeah, me and my music choices, and I was a rapper at one point in time. All that comes from from watching uh Scoot Influence Chi. Yes. And then these niggas letting a young boy rap, boy. They let me freestyle one time. They let me freestyle one time at my best friend Reggie's house. Yep. We was out there. Reggie House was the kick out. God bless Gil. Yes, God bless. And uh, yeah, they let me jump in the circle from that moment.

SPEAKER_04

You had been waiting all your life for that one moment to perform, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. The bars and even the metaphor that I said to this day, uh-huh, I could not tell you where it came from. And that was a moment for me where I realized, like, it's a there's a gift to it. Were yep, and it was really cool to be blessed in by the by, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Can I ask a question right quick? Your name is what is your full name? Umi Wagner. Wagner. And your brother's name is Chioki Wagner. Okay, where do those names come from?

SPEAKER_03

My mother was Afrocentric. Very you could have crib was decorated out.

SPEAKER_05

Decorated out. Black and green, before. No, no. Mask. Mask, statuettes, everything. One of the blackest women I ever met. I love it. Right, she was big on her kids, knowing that they was black people. And you know what's crazy when I met when I met Chiokey, Chiyoki, choose Chiyoki store. I'm telling it, Chi. Chiokey said, I said, what's your name? He said, Ethan.

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Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

And I said, nigga, what?

SPEAKER_03

What a wicked time.

SPEAKER_05

I said, Ethan. I said, you black? He said, well, my real name is Chioke. Now, mind you, he grew up here, so he didn't, he wasn't used to like that blackness. I said, wait, wait, wait. Your mama named you Chioke, and the name you choose, chose to to go past that, your nickname, was Ethan? Then you couldn't have thought of James or I got tired of people mispronouncing my name. Right. And that was the thing. I promised you this, and Chi could say, tell me if I'm lying, Chi. I said, Man, Chi is fire as shit. Because it means God's gift.

SPEAKER_07

Right.

SPEAKER_05

And he said, yo, I said, Chi is fire. And where I come from, if you was named Chioke, bros would have been at you. And from that day forth, he was Chiokey Wagner. Word is blind.

SPEAKER_03

I did not know you were the one that brought it back. Man, we didn't know. When he was going through the Oreo phase of like being stuck out in Bethel District, you know, he just, and you know what, and it and it partially has to do with women too, right? Yeah, yeah. Like him being black and then being afraid to choose up. Keep it above. Facts, facts. And then the moment that he decided he was black for real, which I didn't know was, which I've I've always known that you've been a positive cultural influence on Chioke. Why? In every way, because he needed someone to help him recognize his blackness. Yeah. Because that ain't his dad.

SPEAKER_05

No, no, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_06

Like, again, he was going by Ethan. Yeah. You just remember he was going through this stage where he didn't want to be choke. It was tough for us. It was tough for me. Yeah. It's crazy work. Because Omi was like, Omi, Omi. My mama? Yeah, he owned that.

SPEAKER_03

But he went to go live with his pot.

SPEAKER_06

That's the other side. Again, the two parts of the story to make the Yang Yang. Yeah. Again, his he was trying to acclimate so he could fit. Because again, with a name like Chiokey, that's a thousand questions. Right. How do you spell that? Where's that from? And you out in Piala.

SPEAKER_03

I'm about to say you also are going, you're, you're, you're further, further out, right? Right. You know, you're less black. And the one thing that I do give a lot of credit to Comas because it's so multicultural, you know? So my name, both of our names, this is a beautiful thing that I love about the names, and it also probably says something deeply about the culture, but both of our names are African, right? They're also both Japanese. So uh ocean, like sea. Ocean, okay. Yeah. And in African, the dialect that uh she chose, it means life.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So those two are very connected to me somehow. Did you ever get to hear the Mos Dev song? My mom. Yeah, that's what I say. First of all, Most Dev is my favorite rapper. Illis. So Illis. And my mama is the one that put me on it as well.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. You know what's crazy? Is I was watching an interview, one of my favorite MCs from you know, when Jersey rappers started coming out, it was always North Jersey. You didn't hear a lot of of Southern Jersey cats. And I was in South Jersey. I moved from Philly to South Jersey. So it wasn't a lot of South Jersey cats. And PRT, Poor Rights' Cities had come out. And then my man Y-Z, who was down with them, had come out. I saw an interview just recently where Wazee was talking to some young cats on the street, and he said, I'm bringing out these young artists. And look in the cr and his young artists that he's talking about he bring out, and it was fucking Most Def. I said, get the fuck. Why? Most Deaf came up underneath Wazee. Blew my mind. Did not know that. And I was like, that makes so much sense. Because Mose Def is one of the most lyrically ill MCs.

SPEAKER_06

Being able to spit fast, pull Rogers' T.

SPEAKER_04

What is he going by now?

SPEAKER_05

Uh Yassine Bay. Yassin Bay. Yassin Bay. Yeah. But again, to see him, and he was just a young, he looked like a little kid, you know, just kind of being humble standing there.

SPEAKER_04

He still has a baby face.

SPEAKER_05

He does, he does.

SPEAKER_03

He still has a kid like childlike spirit too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Crazy is when you go back and you watch old movies, you see these rappers or actors when they were young and they were in a movie that you watched the thing. You're like, wait, what? Like for me. When he played that doctor? Nope. Man, he's the one of the pizza delivery kid. Man, like I never really paid that no attention. This is the one of Bill Cosby's when he was in the detective movies. I did like 65 of these same movies.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't learn until a Soquarian interview somewhere. I must probably in my mid-20s when I figured that out. But in Soquarian interview that uh he was an actor first. Yeah. And that so he used to come through with the acting money and buy everybody lunch. And like, I'm like, yo, this nigga's been the nigga who I thought he was. He's in Tyler.

SPEAKER_05

You know what is crazy? A lot of people don't know. He played um the cat was named Vivian something. He he was a doctor in this movie. And he had done the open heart surgery. Right? Great movie. To me, real talk. Most death should have got a fucking Oscar for sure. Sure. Because you didn't know who he was. Transformed. Great fucking movie, dude. I remember watching that, like most death. He played a cross.

SPEAKER_04

The white dude kept taking the credit for that. Sure and that. When they found out that the motherfucker couldn't do it, then he had to have that nigga have to do that. He had to have him do it.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, he did. Which is the that's the true story, too.

SPEAKER_03

True story. And it's a true story. Well, when he played across from Is it Bruce Willis? Bruce Willis. In 16? Yeah. I said, Oh, like this nigga, like he can hold his own, bro.

SPEAKER_02

We're talking about with the dude who they're giving a lot, a lot of you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_06

So the dude that can walk into a cipher and spit and hold his own.

SPEAKER_05

And murder you.

SPEAKER_06

Murder you business. Man.

SPEAKER_01

He might do it in Spanish.

SPEAKER_05

Man. And tell you he's about to do it.

SPEAKER_01

And he might do it.

SPEAKER_05

Easily.

SPEAKER_04

He's a threat. Easily. They sleep on most deaf. Only most deaf.

SPEAKER_05

One of the most slept-on MCs. Well, I don't know. Because not amongst them. Not amongst them cities. Not amongst them.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, but they're saying he slept on because people don't really really. Right, right.

SPEAKER_05

He don't get the accolades he should get. Word is mine. You're right. You're right. We're gonna give you your flowers most.

SPEAKER_03

But you know, Jay Z gonna say most death name. Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05

100%. You know what I'm saying? He said it lyrically. I would thought what did he say lyrically? Well, sis. I mean, brother. Talib. Like, stop sleeping on these motherfuckers. Bar game impeccable.

SPEAKER_06

His voice. I can do with two Talbot so.

SPEAKER_03

I'm with you. Yeah. I can do an album with a whole album with Talib.

SPEAKER_04

Really? No, I don't like comments. I can't get with his body.

SPEAKER_05

I can't. I just can't. I can't get with his clue. Them motherfuckers, I'll listen to all that shit. B, B, the album B is fire all the way through Talib Quality. To get hijone. What was it called? Quality control. The album is fire. From back? Oh my God. No step black on both sides. Shit. He's about to have me in a hip hop quarter gas modernism.

SPEAKER_04

I can tell the two songs are coming. One with Erica. Yeah. And the roots. Yeah. And then the other one, there are times when you need someone, I will be by the side.

SPEAKER_02

There's the light. Yeah, that one and then. And then what's the other one? It's coming.

SPEAKER_04

If you don't want to be by when uh but no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not saying that's the thing. That's just Eric's.

SPEAKER_05

That's just Eric the Roots. That's the roots. Yeah, that's black star. Yeah, it's the light.

SPEAKER_02

It's the light.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, well that's the only sound gonna know about coming. I mean, that's the light.

SPEAKER_05

Let me put you onto the B album. I guarantee if you listen to the B album from beginning to end or find the forever album, both them albums, front to back smashers. I guarantee you'll love it. Okay, I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_03

I can only guarantee B because I listened to B for a year straight. Wow. And didn't take it out. Yo, it's that type. Yo, it's that type of joke.

SPEAKER_05

I'm gonna go cling to it today.

SPEAKER_06

This be with Devin the Dude.

SPEAKER_03

Which one? Which one? Because Devin the Dude is uh he's a top, he's probably like a top 50 rapper. You used to be so fine. And then literally one of my favorite songs in the world is Too Cute. What?

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It's the best. Let's talk about it. Well, he flew about that one bit. Are you kidding me? And that intro, her voice is great. Amazing. Like everything about that song is crazy. See, see. But that's why. Because you know why? Because I'll be because of you. That's how I came a student. Yeah, glad to be able to give you your flowers.

SPEAKER_04

Is he coming or did he just leave?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, Devin. Devin the dude. I think Chris just left.

SPEAKER_05

He was just here with Jar D. So look, I've been on this new kick of um positive news, right? And I saw this thing on the news where scientists over in Japan have found out that research, they've been able to find the chromosome, or however you want to say it. Maybe I'm not saying I may hope it's chromosome. Where they've been able to pull it out of the DNA of for Down syndrome. So basically, they can eliminate having Down syndrome. I was like, get the out of here. That and they also came up with this eye drop that's supposed to correct your vision. Now all of us wear glasses. Yeah. No. I was like an eye drop that can all of us, like an eye drop that can correct your. What kind of shit, man?

SPEAKER_06

They're over there working. They're over there existing. If America can't find a way to make money off of it, it's never gonna make it cross the board.

SPEAKER_03

And if it can't, and if it can't, we're watching it happen right now, because I thought it was gonna happen a lot faster with EV and the combustible engine. I'm like, okay, we're gonna, we're actually gonna go into transition. But what happens is, and I'm learning this slowly, is if you can't, they can't, America's afraid to kill an industry. Yep. Because that kills a family. They're gonna build one.

SPEAKER_06

I can't make more money than a lot of money I already have existing. Exactly. Until it can be proven that I can make more money, or I it's a no fact to make more money. Or we have begun to do it.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. And they need to hold all the, they gotta hold all of it though. And because they don't want nobody else to get home. They're like, we have we basically have we have full power of this thing. Right. If we're gonna go to another thing, we also have to have more than a lot of people. That's why they hate TikTok.

SPEAKER_05

That's why they hate TikTok. Because TikTok is making it without American hands in it. Yeah. And that's why they hate it. They try so hard to do something about it.

SPEAKER_04

But is it bad to have Down syndrome people?

SPEAKER_05

I mean. No, but I'm just saying if you could avoid it, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04

But because I was always taught that um that those are the angels, that we were always taught that there's a guard, we have guardian angels, right? I mean, I that's how I was taught that we have a guardian angel. But I was taught that the the special needs people are the people, are the angels that God put here for us to protect, right? So, you know, like who the fuck are you to play God and not, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I mean, if I could choose not to have a Down syndrome kid and say, God, I don't want, you know, so let me ask you this. Who just says I want to I want a retarded ass kid?

SPEAKER_05

So let so let me ask you, so let me ask you this. So let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, but really, y'all know. But let's end it with the devil.

SPEAKER_05

But let me ask you. So you you about to have a kid, uh-huh, and they say your baby is baby born with Down syndrome. But we have this procedure. Do you do it or do you not?

SPEAKER_04

I I'd have to pray on it.

SPEAKER_05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04

You'd have to ask. Because who the fuck am I? Because maybe there's a reason. That's how God created that God, that you know what I'm saying? Because of a particular type of service.

SPEAKER_05

And what if you take that out and something else becomes wrong?

SPEAKER_04

Maybe, yeah, maybe 20 years or 20, 30 years ago, I'd have said, no, I, you know, no, this, you know, I take it, I take it. But then you got a serial killer. Yeah, and then my mature self-nobting. Well, yeah, my mature self says, you know what? This is how if this is what God planned for, if this is the angel that God gave me to protect, then this is what the fuck I gotta do. This is my mission.

SPEAKER_03

This is my assignment. There are moments where I definitely, to your point, like that feels like a little too much control.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I did special needs foster care. That's how I ended up adopting my daughter. Uh, we did special needs foster care. And I was specific when I told them, I do, I only want special needs kids. That's beautiful. I and I only took from newborn to three. That's beautiful. Because the when the little motherfuckers got three or four, they talk too much. I ain't got time for that. I I was not gonna stop smoking weed.

SPEAKER_06

Your knees, they special enough. Hey, come pick that baby up and bring it up.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so I but so I got a lot of babies from the hospital that were, the majority of them were addicted to drugs. You know, so but uh I did have some severely, you know, but um, but like I said, I I think that that's clean, that's doing too much God.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I'm assuming I think it's too much, I think it's too much control. You know what I mean? I don't know.

SPEAKER_06

It's the practice of medicine, man. And again, some people are, if they could pay for it, they believe it works better. And that's just like they can choose the sex.

SPEAKER_03

But and I and I also will say, you know, all good things come from above. Can I make it come back? So the part about me with the all good things. So let me say this. I don't mean to cut you off. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05

I was live on TikTok. TikTok, folks, I was live. I don't know if I can make it come back or not. Something said I was restricted. I don't know why I was like restricted live. I don't know what it does. I'm you know, oh it might have been content. I know, because we know because we done said we done done some real rowdy shit.

SPEAKER_04

It's not YouTube, it's it's TikTok. It's it's this it's me smoking the joint.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04

Because I I think yeah. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_07

Shouldn't have all the camera.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. That's another thing. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. There you go. Well, you get late. But you know, it no, it it doesn't. No, I think that they really, because the last couple weeks that we I've been trying to go live on TikTok, and I've been getting hit like I've been getting love. Like I even got like a little bit of change the last like 46 cents and shit. I think they like, no, stop. We stop this black man from succeeding. You almost made 50 cents. Almost made 50 cents. You know what I'm saying? I almost have power in my phone. Oh, no way to a dollar. Oh, you gotta be kidding me. Yo, so I've been on my new movie grind. I just watched um the He-Man John. I just it was actually pretty decent. You know what I mean? It was pretty good. Very, very reminiscent of the original. That's all you know what I mean. So, so I they kind of went the same direction. Did they have a Shera? They didn't have a She.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

You know what I mean? But you don't bring Shea in right away. You say Shera for part two.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I like Skeletor. You know what I mean? Skeletor is always my duty. You know.

SPEAKER_05

I'm a Beast Man fan, and I thought they really did Beast Man well.

SPEAKER_07

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

I was like, yo, I was I love that they did Beast Man the way they did. That's what's up. So I I I for that alone, the movie was hot to me. I watched the new scary movie. Uh surprisingly, and I'm gonna keep it a buck, because I thought it was gonna be trash. Oh man, alright. Surprisingly, it was pretty damn good. Well, it looks cool as Trump. Yeah, yeah. You know what? And you could tell that they got back into it. You know what I mean? And I ain't gonna ruin it for nobody, but when you watch it, you're gonna be like, glad they got back in. Shout out to the Wayne's brothers, man. Shout out to the Wang Brothers.

SPEAKER_04

I'm glad they took some time in between, too. Yeah, yeah. You know, because if they'd have done it back to back to back to back, that probably would have fucked up the momentum. Like we were just talking with a couple weeks ago about them doing three pizza movies and shit. Yeah. But it's a good time that they did they took, you know, some time in between. And so I can't wait to watch it. I need your movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get my join, man.

SPEAKER_05

I'm telling you, I watched that. I watched Is God Is, and let me tell you something. I'm sorry, you watched what was it? Is God Is. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. Two movies I watched, Is Got Is in the Back Room. Okay. Sucked in both movies. Oh. Horrible endings. Oh. Horrible endings. I kind of saw that was on the way. Yeah. Let me tell you, when the joint ends, I was I was upset at it. I was I was looking to throw something. I was like, oh, what? You had me going all this time, and then this? Both them movies. Both them movies. Dang, that kind of makes me want to watch Is God Is moving. Yeah, you gotta make sure you sign your name too. You gotta make sure you sign your name. Is God Is, it's um black movie, uh, Vivica Fox, and basically these girls get uh done dirty by their pop. Okay. And the mom says Oh, with the scar to go to the scarf. Okay, okay, and the mom basically says, you know what, go get him. Uh-huh. And and that's what the movie's about.

SPEAKER_07

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

All the way through, dope movie. Horrible fucking ending.

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Damn.

SPEAKER_05

Horrible fucking ending. I was like, oh, I got him. I was like, oh, I was mad, dude. I had a black moment. I was yelling at the TV and everything. I was like, no, no. I was so mad, dude. Upset at it, dude. I couldn't believe it, man. Yeah. So you have to check that one though. Yeah. You, you, you, I will say, watch it just so you can be as pissed off as I was at the guy, is in the back room. Okay, what's the back room about? Back room is where this dude has uh a store, and he ends up touching the wall and goes through to the other side. And it's just mad rooms upon rooms upon rooms in this motherfucker. Like, like he just, it's like he he starts trying to make like a map. It's so many rooms. Like you almost get lost in the rooms. You know what I'm saying? I like that. And that's what was dope to me. And then it ended, and I was like, mother. I literally came in here and was pushing on every wall. I was I was pushing on every wall too. Put the wall for the deal. Because I needed, I needed the back room to open up. Where'd it go wrong? Other than that.

SPEAKER_04

I didn't have too many dreams or shit like that. Yes, no, I don't want to go to those, like uh, my son and my granddaughter went to one of those uh, what are those rooms you go into? Oh yeah, no, fuck that. I was on the run for 15 years from the state of Texas. And I didn't, I didn't have too many dreams and too many. Hell I know. I don't want to go nowhere. Well, I'm gonna let me not go to the game like this.

SPEAKER_05

I did one escape room. It was me, my sister came out here. So it was me, my sister. Me, my sister, my daughter, uh, and my my son-in-law at the time. I don't know if my son, I think my son did come too. And I learned one lesson. If ever any Spencer is thrown into an escape room, we will die. All y'all. We use all our, we used all, they give you clues. We used all our clues and kept asking for more clues, too. We was in that job. I said, Yo, I am not meant for an escape room.

SPEAKER_03

Well, well, I love that. That's the type of experience you can go through and learn that, though. Yeah, you know, like you have a learning experience about yourself.

SPEAKER_06

People that watch game shows, you watch them because while you're sitting at home, you trying to win. Yes, they win 45,000 if they get it right. You get just get to turn the channels to the next.

SPEAKER_05

I am a family feud master.

SPEAKER_06

Family feud, Jeffrey Wheel of Fortune. Man, you watch those games and your whole purpose, like who wants to be a millionaire? I man, I could do that show. I really because if you watch it enough, you really like it. Because a lot of the clues, I'm answering it, and then they answer them like, and then when they get it wrong, I'm like, see, I told you what it was.

SPEAKER_05

My sister was like, yo, we should go on family shoe. And I said, No, we shouldn't. She said, Why not? I said, because we would not be the family talking about good answer. We would look, you say a dumb answer first off. You the whole goal to be on the show is to go for five days. Right? And each day, if you win, you get the 20,000. So that's 20, 20, 20, 20, 20. And it's five of us on the show. If you give a stupid answer, you just lost your 20. That's how I feel. That's how I feel.

SPEAKER_06

So for me, it's it's gonna ruin my family because there's people I'm not gonna select. No. When you you don't think that it's you, oh I'm going with you right now. No. You are the last person I would take. See, that's gonna hurt your feelings when I take it.

SPEAKER_04

We ain't about to do all that. That's why I'm only gonna go on the music show. Name that tune.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04

Don't forget the lyrics. See the shit like that. See, I got that. I got that part. I'm gonna make the music show. No, you gotta know your tune. I'm gonna do all of that. Yeah, because of the simple. You gotta know your strengths. Yeah, all that strength. The music. Music is mine. So I'll go on the don't forget the lyrics, name that tune, all that shit like that. I got because guess what? What I'm win, nigga, come to me. I gotta I ain't gotta look at somebody and be like, oh, you can't do it.

SPEAKER_06

You know how they like I can name that tune in three notes. We gonna we already at the chorus before I realize what that song is.

SPEAKER_01

You are singing what the words are.

SPEAKER_06

You done play, you done played boys to me. We at the end of the road before I realized that the song we just.

SPEAKER_05

Got it, got it.

SPEAKER_04

We just had a staff meeting at the now, yeah. I know I I work over there in the cool, you know. And uh, we just had the little morning staff meeting at the end, they're gonna play, but we're gonna play a little game naming that too. And I thought at this time they were like, I was like, shit, let me ease on there, and I guess I'll play now. Because you know, the whole time in the back, you know. But they said, let's we're gonna play ease that too. And I said, who wants me on their team? Oh, we're gonna be able to do that. Everybody, yeah. So I eased on there. The first fucking thing they played was Elvis. I said, and she was like, everybody looked at me and I was like, oh, that'll be Elvis. Uh, Walufo's fall in love. Everybody, oh yeah, we got the right one. We got the right one. The second one, the second one was with um Fly Like an Eagle. So they just played that, you know.

SPEAKER_07

They just played the two baseballs.

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Doom, doom.

SPEAKER_04

I said, I said uh Fly Like an Eagle, Steve Miller band. The white people.

SPEAKER_06

See, I was in the back. We love you, Ms. Newman. I've been in the back by the patient table, eating the dota like this. We win. We win it.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah, and that's what they did. So they was like, we all the candy and shit that they that they won. They were, here you go. We think you owe this. We you deserve this. I was like, I ain't eating all this gun.

SPEAKER_05

You know, it'd be those moments where you really be like, being black is like a superpower.

SPEAKER_04

I try to tell my granddaughter to tap in.

SPEAKER_05

Yo, let me tell you, I had moved out here, I had just come back here in 2007. I just moved back from the East Coast and I was working at um this warehouse, uh, McClane's, the trucking company. And I had transferred from Jersey out here. But it was out Jersey was more like a fast food thing. Out here, it was more like a grocery store. And we had this graveyard shift, it's around Christmas time. And the guy was like, yo, uh, to get Christmas gifts, they for the Pollyanna was they had put this trash can on the top of Forklift, and you had to shoot the ball to get it. Oh, okay. Right? Instantly all the white dudes was like, oh he just came from Philly. He's he's out here, and he's black. No idea that I am non-athletic, right? They had no clue that I'm the most non-athletic. Here's what killed me. I fire up the first shot and kill it. Boom. And I'm like, damn. Now for me, I'm embarrassed because I'm like, they really expected me to kill the next one. Yeah. And they're like, as soon as I hit, they like, oh shit, fuck, fuck. Everybody gave up. And I'm like, well, damn. Because it comes down, I'm hitting. And it comes down to me and one dude, and he's like, wow, he gives up. He's like, I know he's gonna get it. And I'm like, so he concedes, and I miss, but I conceded, I got the joint. I said, man, being black is a superpower. If only they knew how trash I was.

SPEAKER_04

But the thing of it is, is most black people, if all black people would tap in and realize that when we are where we are, we are the superhero. All we have to do is walk in that light. Like I told my granddaughter, we just moved across that bridge. And she is probably one of two or three over there. I said, You are a fucking superhero. There's nothing that you can do wrong. So as long as you stay on this side and go to school and do what you're supposed to do, you will have a full fucking right to any college or anything. And you're happy to be able to do that. You will be the best fucking athlete. You will be the best at every fucking thing. But you gotta tap in because they're gonna make sure that you get everything you want. Black black people don't superpower shit.

SPEAKER_03

Yep, amen.

SPEAKER_04

I'm black and black and I'm proud.

SPEAKER_06

I don't support the the last notions of we just are super. Man, I love being black anyway. Anyway, word is black. I was blessed black.

SPEAKER_05

It ain't a super black. Move that over for me real quick. I want to hit this real quick uh before we get to finish and everything. Um, because I want I I I want to tap on this because I have a fashion guy in the room. I don't know how to say his name. Kalua Patuka Patuki, whatever. Have you heard? Are you hip to this dude? Nah. So he's this, apparently he's this Ethiopian dude who basically started, see if you can bring it up, X. He started making fashion out of trash. Because he's in Ethiopia, right? Like he had no shoes, nothing. He just started like taking the bum shoes, stuff he would find. And now apparently, I guess this dude is like a millionaire now. Like he just started making fashion, making fashion. Kind of like um um Dan, like uh, uh, uh, uh, what's my man's name? Um Dapper Dan. Dapper Dan. Kind of like a Dapper Dan. Like, like he just started doing, making his stuff, and now all of a sudden, everybody's looking at him as some type of fashion guru. Because he started just, yo, this is what I got, and I'm making fashion out of it. Like bottle caps, also adding stuff to his little his fits and everything. And went from being, I guess, this bum dude, and I don't know how true it is, so if it's true or not, y'all let me know. But um, I guess he was like really like this homeless, like, you know, in Africa cat, and then started doing this type of shit. And now he's like, now he's like this fashionista dude.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. And he is one of a bunch of Africans who are doing their thing. Now my now what now what he has is what he has is listen to me, young folks. And if you're an old folk, play this for your young folks. Yes. Because Mr. Newman already has landed, you've already said all the things, because when you are young, everyone is here to help.

SPEAKER_04

How do you do young things?

SPEAKER_03

Everyone is here to help. Even when you don't think they're here to help, I'm telling you, everyone is here to help. And even when you and I everyone is here to help in their own way. Because even someone that tells you no has helped you. Yes. They've moved you forward because you whether you believe it or not. Yes, yes. Yeah, persistence and determination. Yeah, perseverance, yeah. Yes. And so the thing about him is because there's beautiful groups of people of Africans doing this all over the ivory coastal. Right, right, right. He is 15 years old and getting the shine because he's doing it out of the way.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't know that. Like you said, it's for the youth. Yeah, well, and that's what that's when the world is here to help you. Uh-huh. But uh when you become an adult, uh, I ain't worried about Jay Will.

SPEAKER_04

I bet not ever. Catch out an L parent. I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_05

I got disqualified for how you gonna say, Jay Will, I'm gonna say what if you ever see me dressed like that?

SPEAKER_04

I know Queen will stop next that shit. Yeah, she is married. I got kids. My kids ain't let me step out of none of that. X might wear that.

SPEAKER_05

I can see X and the white shit.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and I can see Scooter trying to match up that goddamn uh the blue shit with some Tim. Or some Mikey T got on some Nike's, or even the shit in the middle, I can see that. No, and I'm just gonna get the.

SPEAKER_06

Makeup won't allow me to look at stuff like that right now, man. Oh my god. I'ma stand up second and get my t-shirts and hoodies. Give a swell about myself.

SPEAKER_05

Because I know goddamn well. Queen that ain't gonna let that shit out. X might do it because X, I seen X in a pair of tight jeans the other day. You know what I'm saying? X will do it. All X jeans. That's what I'm saying. That's X right there.

SPEAKER_04

That's X right there all day.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. All day. Man down. That's hilarious. I'm disqualified from the rip.

SPEAKER_05

What else is on the topic, Let's X? What we else we got to do.

SPEAKER_04

Let's talk about them white folks having them, uh, adapting them uh little black children to treat them like slaves. Let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_05

So this white couple, and I I researched this just to see if it was real news, because I was like, this gotta be fake news. Adopted five black children to make them slave around the house. What the kind of what? Yeah. What?

SPEAKER_04

Is this the same white woman that had the kids in the cage in the back of the van? I don't that I don't know.

SPEAKER_05

It was this was a couple. This was a white woman and man.

SPEAKER_04

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

And they had these five black kids, and they had them slaving around the house, and they were sleeping on floors, they didn't have no beds, like all this crazy shit. And I was like, yo, this gotta be fake news. So I go ahead, and it was fucking real. I said, yo, you gotta be kidding me, dude.

SPEAKER_06

But again, there are people who are still thinking the way they think it's just not Please forgive how I say this, because it's gonna sound like I'm retired. Nah, speak on it. But ever since we elected this idiot for president, More and more you see now that people are not hiding what they do. They true colors, what they feel and what they do. They feel like this one can do it, and it trickles, it's a trickle-down effect. That ain't unheard of these white people did this to these black kids. And it ain't all just black kids. They just got caught. They just they stopped hiding it. That's all it is. They didn't get caught, they stopped hiding. They because in their mind they thought it was right.

SPEAKER_05

You know what? Instantly I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna adopt me five white kids, five young white kids, and make them black. I'ma make them black as shit. But she ain't never heard of that. I ain't heard of that one.

SPEAKER_04

I have not heard of that.

SPEAKER_05

I'ma make them black as shit. They gonna be the realest white folks you ever met. Cooking greens, chitlits, the whole nine yards. I'ma make them so big.

SPEAKER_06

Every black day I can think of. Everything I can think of, the I'm telling you. Oh my god. But here's where the problem will come in at. They're gonna say, hey, did you go over there on the other side of the hospital? Because one of your other kids is over there. I think adopt that one. Yeah, but it's like 13 over there that just like them. So you should go over there and put your kids in there. I gotta make them real black.

SPEAKER_05

You know, Washington is weird black. I'm gonna make them black. I'm gonna take them back to the East Coast so they can become black, black.

SPEAKER_04

You gonna turn them into niggas.

SPEAKER_05

Into niggers. In the niggers. They not gonna know nothing.

SPEAKER_04

They won't be black, they're gonna be niggers. I know you did. Every still type I can think of.

SPEAKER_06

They're gonna have hands in the bottom of the bottom. Coach the city to city, so they think of what Oakland black like. Then I'm gonna take them down south. You're gonna get some Georgia black. Then we're gonna still go to the black. Then we're gonna take you back to Cali, cause I wanna mix it in.

SPEAKER_05

I'm gonna make them watch number slave movies. Root Roots on day-to-day basis.

SPEAKER_04

Daddy, why I'm just calling you that color.

SPEAKER_05

They're gonna be asking. Yeah, they're gonna be. That's why they're gonna watch Roots. Cause then they're gonna be like, uh oh. I hate them. I hate them. Watch. I'm getting them white folks back. That's my mission. I'm gonna get the white folks back.

SPEAKER_04

Just marry one. Hey, just marry, just marry one.

SPEAKER_05

I want no beige kids. I'm gonna make them pure white. No, no, no. You don't make it. I'm gonna make them pure white.

SPEAKER_04

Just marry one.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Make her pure black. Take her kids. So y'all seeing, so Bob Johnson.

SPEAKER_04

No, you work her.

SPEAKER_05

Queen Autifa and LL have been, they they basically made this uh, you know, because BET got bought out by MTV. So I guess people have been complaining, like, you know, BET ain't BET no more. So now they've come with this advisory council or advisory board, and Bob Johnson, Queen Latif, and LL Cool J are now on the advisory board. And I'm thinking, like, why y'all just don't buy B.E.T back?

SPEAKER_04

Wasn't Bob Johnson the head of the head of the book? He was the head.

SPEAKER_05

He was the previous head, okay. Why not just buy B.E.T back? You know what I'm saying? Like that's.

SPEAKER_03

Is the black lady still running? That he passed. I don't think so. Nah, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_05

I don't think she does.

SPEAKER_03

Um, yeah, I think that uh one thing that I have learned, you know what I mean, in business is it's about extra strategy. Because he still has lingered around.

SPEAKER_04

Why did he sell it in the first place? Why was it sold in the first place? I believe that's the thing. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_03

Well, we're talking about also like responsibility and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_06

When you've grown something like that, at some point the other side is you look at the money, right? Yeah, what was the situation? Let's keep it alive. Well, I think I don't know Dave Johnson got paid more money for BT when it was on its up because he saw the decline of what it was gonna be. Five years from now, this is what our lawsuit would be. Right. And that's what they sit in the boardroom for. Truth be told, you do merchandise. Yes, if you can get your product for this amount for this many years, and they're gonna lock that, you're not gonna do well. Let's wait next year and see if they go down.

SPEAKER_05

Truth be told, if BET was still black on today, it might not be around. To be honest with you, it would not be around.

SPEAKER_06

But it's because they would change the format of what black entertainment television was. Like again, we from the era where we remember when Donnie Simpson was doing we remember Rap City the Basement. Yes. But then if you start looking at what the show started becoming, now it's college heel and it's yeah, you're trying to catch up with reality TV because that's what MTV is gonna be.

SPEAKER_05

Because BT was giving MTV the business back then. You said with rap the basement, we what 106 and Park was kicking motherfucking TRL's ass. The dark yo.

SPEAKER_06

But then they started coming with these challenge games or reality TV shows where they put the camera in somebody's face. So now BT's gotta answer that.

SPEAKER_05

They wanted to control it. They wanted to control it. They was like, we need to get in there and stop these black folks because BT was giving all sides of the black community.

SPEAKER_03

I think that what they saw was that Bob Johnson was able to show that the there's a there's a y'all are showing the white form of this. Oh yeah, there's a black form of this. Right, right. And then eventually what it came to is, and this is just, you know, based off of just history of economics in this country, is that I believe that at some point the money goes boop, right? And then he's like, to keep this thing going, yeah, yeah, y'all got it. You know what I mean? And right now for this price. Hearing that it was selling or whatever was going on that he was transitioning. I was like, oh, here we go. But Bob has been around. Man, he's a good business. I thought that he was going to go poof. Nah. And he has a lot now we're now we're talking about something like this.

SPEAKER_06

He sold his shares with the Charlotte Hornets to Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan had no ownership stake. It was Bob Johnson saying, hey, here's how you get into this game. Come on. You buy this and purchase this from me. And that's what Bob Johnson did. Bobby has been letting down the ladder quite a lot. But what it was is his business IQ still stands. So when it comes back to they want to try, you're gonna go get someone who knew how to do it. But again, if you knew how to do it, you also knew where the losses were gonna come from. You just get out before it becomes your headache. Go ahead. Message.

SPEAKER_03

That's the that was the real bar. You get out of here. And you've already dealt with the headache. At what point do you stop?

SPEAKER_05

Final. Final words.

SPEAKER_06

Man, it's real simple. We got an entrepreneur in the building. So, man, let me keep it simple for y'all. You do not gain anything because you wait for it to come to you. You got to go and get it. Go get it. The reality is progression is movement forward. Stagnation is standing still. You cannot progress if you are standing still. So, man, put some movement in your ass. Stop waiting for somebody to do it for you and go out and get it. And if you didn't hear from me, man, walking proof is sitting right next to me. There it is. Miss Newman.

SPEAKER_04

Do not let your age be a factor that, you know, don't let that be the reason you don't get up and go get your shit, right? Whether you fold 15, 50, or 57 or 50-11, what you say was that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go get your go get your blessing. It's not gonna just come to you. Shit don't just come. Nothing comes to sleepers but a dream. If you want something no matter what it is, go get it. Whether you fall off and fill to the side, it don't matter. Get up and dust your shit off and keep going. Go get your blessing. And Alpha Blood, Mobile Phlebotomy, and IV starting business coming to you.

SPEAKER_06

Message.

SPEAKER_05

Ms. Newman said, nothing comes to sleepers but a dream. That was date. Gap bag. I like that. 1982. Come on. I will say, man, you know what? Like I said, live in your purpose, find your purpose, know what your purpose is, and make it come to true fruition. You know what I mean? That's what it is. I want to shout out some of my young kids that graduated yesterday, man. My girl Verna, her sister Penelope, all of them, Navea, you know, uh, my little big head, Christiana Manning, all the folks that the kids that I really rock with, because I've been rocking with you for a long time, for those that don't know, man, and I want to shout them out. But to you, my brother, my friend, my family, final words are on you.

SPEAKER_03

Man, um listen, listen to listen to Coffee and Combs. I mean, what you just heard is so true about the pursuit of something, which is the pursuit of life, which is like having a reason to get up, you know what I mean, and and to get to it every day. And um, and that's super important. So that's what my suggestion, my other suggestion that I always have to say is start young. That's when people are willing to help. Yes. And and there are more teenage millionaires now than there will ever ever, you know, than there ever have been, and there will probably be more if y'all lean in right now, get to it. Um, and then also got to give a shout out to my niece, um, Jadon Wagner, who um I'm leaving here to her graduation party. Nice girl is on her way. And like a Wagner is set already for her career. She's basically going straight into it out of high, like she is my dream.

SPEAKER_05

Let me tell you something. Them Wagner children, let me say this. Them Wagner children is short of amazing. Let me say this. Your mama did her motherfucking thing, right? Because she was a hard one, always been a hardworking, kill it, always been making money, always doing things. And his son, Josiah, went out there and killing it in football. He's at Cal Berkeley right now. You will see him on the field. He will be in the NFL.

SPEAKER_03

Watch number eight. Promise you that. Big Wagner, there's an O in that last name.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, shout out to them Wagner folks, man. Thank you, brother. Let's talk about Alice. God bless you. Shout out to Alice Wagner. Yes, God bless, man. Proud to say that y'all my family, man. Real tough. Coffee and condoms, catch the same bad time, same bad channel every Saturday, 2 p.m. If you ain't tuning in, start to tune in. Like, share, get on board. That's what it is. Two fingers, we out.

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SPEAKER_06

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