Astrology Off the Charts! Cosmic Insights and the Extraordinary Lives of Ordinary People
Astrology Off the Charts! is a journey into the deeper wisdom of the stars and the soul. This podcast explores the rich tapestry of Astrological Theory and Practice—bridging ancient techniques with modern insights—to help listeners uncover meaning, purpose, and connection in their own life stories.
Through thoughtful discussions, guest experts, and illuminating chart readings of remarkable individuals, your host Alexander guides us on a journey of discovery and inspiration.
Whether you're seeking spiritual growth, cosmic clarity, or a deeper understanding of astrology’s transformative power, this is your space to explore the extraordinary within yourself !
Astrology Off the Charts! Cosmic Insights and the Extraordinary Lives of Ordinary People
How A Leo’s Chart Shaped A Creative, Rule‑Breaking Career
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We sit down with Danielle, a night-born Leo with a powerhouse Leo–Virgo–Libra cluster, to trace how cosmic signatures reflect a career of design, publishing, hospitality, and real estate—all as ultimate expressions of her soul's joy!
Alexander breaks down this summer-season identity, nighttime imprinting, and why a tight Chart-stellium acts like a single engine driving courage, taste, and relentless motion.
From writing and running a marketing firm to breeding rabbits and publishing a long-running niche magazine, Danielle’s Libra Moon in the sixth shows up as service with style.
That same Moon points to food and caretaking, which played out in a hands-on restaurant build and, later, relocating overseas in the purchase of a French farm bed-and-breakfast, where American breakfasts won the day!
We explore Venus–Mars creativity, Mercury and Venus Retrograde focus, and a nearly Out-of-Bounds Saturn at the top of the chart ... all explaining her love of structure, architecture, and systems.
Danielle shares the roots of her recent publication, "How to Sell your Flip Above Market in Two Weeks". She scaled from zero dollars to 20 properties by pairing design choices that sell with disciplined negotiation and contracts.
Along the way, we unpack family karma—Moon–Neptune stress at the partnership angle, a Sun–Uranus–Pluto father shaped by war and resistance—and how those threads echo in her life's creative, self-defined path.
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Setting The Chart On The Table
SPEAKER_00Welcome to an episode of Astrology Off the Charts. The Extraordinary Lives of Ordinary People. I'm your host, Alexander Mallon, and uh indeed we have an extraordinary person with us today. Welcome, Danielle. So we have Danielle Hadock who will tell us about her extraordinary life, and she does have one, really. Welcome, Danielle. Thank you. So, you know, um, maybe a good place to start for those who are listening on the podcast and also those who are watching on YouTube, uh, just kind of a little brief reminder of what astrology is about. And I really think astrology charts do describe our uh our soul's journey. It really describes our our our journey and also our literal birth is what a chart describes. So let me talk about uh Danielle, your chart here. Um we have August 8th of 1959, 1117 in the evening, uh 1117 p.m. in Glen Cove, New York. And so that means you're a nighttime baby, and there's that sun at the bottom of the chart. You know, daytime babies, the sun's in the top of the chart, nighttime babies, the sun's below the horizon. Let's remember that the the horizontal line that cuts a chart in half, the circle of the chart, the horizontal line that cuts a chart in half is the literal earth you're standing on, the earth you're born on to. So for daytime baby, the sun is going to be somewhere in the 12th, 11th, 10th, 9th, or 8th, 7th houses, the top of the chart. Again, nighttime baby at the bottom of the chart. So here we have this quadrant from sunset to midnight, where we have a big, big, uh wonderful loaded chart full of planets here, a planetary stellium for Danielle, with Mercury at 10 degrees of Leo in the fourth house retrograde. That sun at 15 of Leo, with Uranus next to it at 16 of Leo, Pluto next to that at 3 of Virgo, Mars next to that at 12 of Virgo, Venus next to that, Mars and Venus can join. Venus now at 16 of Virgo, Moon at 12 of Libra, and right at that horizon line, that western sky, that sunset point, if you could say, um, the planet Neptune had just set before Daniel's birth. The top of the chart, folks, has Jupiter in the seventh house in that western sky, and Saturn near the top of the chart, near the career angle, also in the western sky. We'll talk about that Saturn as being very important for Daniel's chart. So, Daniel, you're a Leo. That means you're a summertime baby. So I'm I'm wondering if if you if you feel that you're uh aligned with summertime and and the the warmer climates and warmer days.
SPEAKER_03Unfortunately, the older I get, the less I like the heat.
SPEAKER_00Less the less you like the heat.
unknownYes.
SPEAKER_00Uh interesting. Normally, when people are summery babies, they they really love that summertime experience. I mean, that that's when this baby came out of mom's body. It was August, you know, midsummer. And a midsummer baby is a whole different kettle of fish than a midwinter. The opposite sign of Leo, of course, is Aquarius, midwinter, uh, where we are right now in February of 2026 doing this recording. So
Night Birth And The Family Quadrant
SPEAKER_00a baby born in the middle of winter is all about that winter experience of practical functional. And a baby born during summertime. Well, you know, I always think of Bill Clinton. He he's uh Bill Clinton, Danielle, was a a a Leo, a fellow Leo like you are.
SPEAKER_03I remember that.
SPEAKER_00Yep. I forget his exact day of birth, but he certainly is a Leo ham with his saxophone. Uh, and like you, Bill Clinton had uh that Venus and Mars next to his son when he was born.
SPEAKER_03In his case, I remember studying that chart with you, yes.
SPEAKER_00So I should I should divulge then to our audience that Danielle was a student of mine for a short period of time and one of my beloved student students, because as we see in Danielle's chart with that Mercury uh next to her son and Uranus, um Danielle's a smarty, you know, she's she's a real, real smart cookie. That's a that Mercury Mercurial mental with fast-paced Uranus. I mean, you as we'll see with Danielle's life story, she her life is quite amazing, I think, folks. Uh a multiple Uranian, you know, kind of a rule-breaking, uh multi-life experience kind of person here, folks. So we're gonna be learning about Danielle. Well, so yeah, to have that Venus and Mars, we'll talk about that very important arrangement being near the Sun, Venus, Mars, and Virgo conjoined, uh, literally 30 degrees away, one sign away from that sun at 15 Leo. That's an important arrangement. You know, Danielle, a lot of people will say that that Venus is not in any way conjoined, that sun. It's too far away. It's a it's a whole sign away. But you know, I have been finding more and more that planets that are 30 degrees away really have an affiliation. It's called the semise-sectile by aspect, but they're really kind of in the same chunk of sky, the same area of sky. And in your chart, you know, they they really are like powerfully uh bundled together. So just for those um who are listening and who are fellow students of astrology who think a 15, 16 degree Virgo, Mars-Venus conjunction, and a 15 degree Sun and Leo are too far apart, I want to say uh I'll be doing future programs on it. I already did one uh a couple months ago, uh, where uh Mars was about 30 degrees away or a little bit less from a sun with a number of policemen that policemen, firemen, heroes, military guys have Mars and Sun not just conjoined right next to each other, but very commonly in roughly a 25, 22, 30 degree uh semisectile to the sun, as Danielle has. So going back to the chart here for those who are viewing, uh that uh that that Mars-Venus conjunction with Pluto and Uranus next to the Sun is such a huge stellium grouping. You know, when you have planets that are grouped together, I always say, uh, how do you interpret that aspect? It's rather like taking uh eggs and sugar and salt and milk and whipping it all together. You have a whole different product than just those individual planets and what they symbolize. It's a good moment too, Danielle, to remind the listeners and viewers that these planets describe cycles of nature. So we think of, of course, with Danielle, the cycle of nature for her is being born midsummer. We'll talk about that right exactly on the day of midsummer. Uh that's an interesting piece of Danielle's chart. Uh, but each planet has a cycle like the moon, a 29 and a half day cycle around the earth. And so every woman knows her 29 and a half day cycle intimately. That's a big one. That's a natural cycle. So each of these planets describes these cycles of nature, and that's what astrology is about. That's how astrology is describing our nature in these different planets, describe sort of where that particular energetic plays out in our in our chart. So, um, for those who might not know astrology all that well, uh a brief uh sidebar here. You know, that each of us are born into a season. So I like to tell my clients, Danielle, and my students, that we're not just born into a sun sign, like you know, Leo in this case, August 8th, we're born into a season sign. That's a really good way to understand. Mom is carrying this baby for nine months, you know, three trimesters, and that baby finally arrives in that last trimester. And when mom hits that last trimester, I think Danielle, you can speak to this more than I can, certainly in this incarnation. When you're at that last trimester, I mean you are ready. You know, your body is like
Summer Babies And Leo Identity
SPEAKER_00you know, locked and loaded, ripe and ready. Is that right? When you're pregnant, it's so that last trimester is a is a big one, literally, huh? It's hell. It's hell. Well, you're really ready to give birth. The baby's really ready to come out too. And and so that that moment, that birth date that each of us have had is is a is a building, you know, like a really exponentially building. I would think the last not just trimester, but the last like three weeks or four weeks. I mean, you're probably you're kind of like rolling, right? I mean, it's your body's just really.
SPEAKER_03Yes. It's boy, it's brutal. It's brutal.
SPEAKER_00All right, so it's important to understand that that baby comes out during one of these four seasons spring, summer, winter, fall. Our nature, our nature, when we come out, it literally our our our our biochemistry, our I think science will show over time, our photochemical brain chemistry, and mom's chemistry is all interwoven with what season birth you are. So when you think about your sun sign, think of your season sign. So the season of birth is really key because we can look at those springtime babies and those summertime babies, as our cheat sheet is showing here on YouTube. Um, those babies, Aries, Taurus, Gemini of Spring, Cancer, Leo, Virgo of summer, they really are the extroverts. As that sun is rising ever higher, every noon hour into the summer solstice of Cancer, June 21st, it's really about that heat of the day building, the light building, you know, long days, short nights, the opposite of wintertime. And so it's really about the person, you know, focusing on their goals. And this is all astrology above the equator, of course, astrology, western astrology. And so it says when you're a spring-summer baby, it's really about what I'm going to do when I can get out there in the world. If you're born in the winter as I am, you know, the energy around winter and fall babies is you can't do much um during a hurricane, uh, during a blizzard, rather. We just had a blizzard in the northeast and in New England, uh, this 2026 winter time. And so, you know, when you're getting hit with you know multi-feet of snow, you're you're not doing much. You know, the the nature is commanding the show. It's really what I will do when I get out of this, when I dig my way out, which is why Aries, springtime, March 21st, are such people about you know blasting forward. So, Danielle, midsummer is playtime. Again, I I think of famous Bill Clinton, you know, the the two famous presidents, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, two very different types of Leos, as Danielle actually is as well. But one thing that joins Leos, Danielle, supposedly, right, is that they are um, well, they were infants when family were gathering for this this woman to birth this baby in midsummer. It's vacation time typically, and the baby is a center of attention. So I wonder if you can in any way speak to that. Did that phenomenon uh you think I just conjecturing, thinking about your childhood, you know, being the center of attention in your family, does that in any way make sense?
SPEAKER_03Oh, absolutely, especially since I was last born. My brother's 15 years older than me, my sister's 10 years older than me. So, yeah, definitely. I was the center of everything for sure.
SPEAKER_00So you had a 15-year-old sibling and a 10-year-old sibling when you came along. Uh so one would think that perhaps in many family systems, those siblings would be almost parental figures to uh exactly.
SPEAKER_03My sister basically raised me until she left the house. Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00Wow. So that's an important piece. We should look to see if the chart mirrors that because charts ostensibly mirror these uh complex family themes. You know, I do have my other I do have my other podcast, The Astrology of Family Karma, because all of us have some kind of family karma. You know, we're born during some phenomenon of the family's development and mom and dad's development. So you're the last baby. That's an interesting turning point.
SPEAKER_03And a lot of Leos in my family. My father, my sister were were their birthdays were two days apart, and then a bunch of nieces and nephews. Yeah.
Family Dynamics And Being The Youngest
SPEAKER_00So when I when I say the tenants of astrology say that Leos are summertime babies, you know, born when you know kids are home from school, uh, mom's belly is ginormous. In your case, mom's kids were home from school, mom's belly was ginormous, and a baby's arriving. So this this is a a super event for the family. It's why cancer and Leo babies are known as like the you know the family babies. It's it's it's when in nature above the equator, it's when in nature July and August, when uh you know birds give uh birth to multiple clutches of eggs, and you know, the proverbial Leo the Lion has its cubs. You know, like the cubs are are you know still young babies when they're you know a month or two old, growing quickly by all means, but they're still need need to be nurtured by mom. It's the family idea. So were your were were your Leo uh family members Leonian? Would you uh see them in characterological ways being Leonian?
SPEAKER_03Oh without a doubt, yes. It was always fun, and yes, it was really what was going on in the summer was the only time that the family actually really got together.
SPEAKER_00Ah, so so you had a family that that really observed family um gathering.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, normally too, folks, uh Danielle's chart, I'll go back to the chart here. Not only is Danielle a summertime baby, which I always equate to birthing in families and clutches and you know, eggs, you know, multiple creatures, multiple families, multiple birth. Yeah, it's it's fecundity, yeah, cancer the crab. The ancients gave cancer the crab to that upside-down Y shape of stars. It looks nothing like a crab because it's about birthing. So going back to Daniel's chart here for a moment, um, so this is a very super Leo Virgo chart. That moon and Libra, three planets in Virgo, next to that Leo bundle, all in a big bundle together. And people will note here, Danielle, from the sunset point of the western horizon where Neptune is in this chart, Neptune just set before your birth, which is itself an interesting topic. Um, that whole quadrant from the seventh house cusp to the midnight point, the bottom of the chart, is just packed chock full of planets here. Almost all the planets except for Jupiter and Saturn are in that uh quadrant. That quadrant from sunset, let's say mom and dad coming home for dinner, you know, the family gathering for dinner at sunset. That's the sixth house of diet, nutrition, and wellness, food, where Danielle has her moon. That sixth house begins that quadrant of the family. Most people think the family is the fourth house only. It's this entire quadrant. What do we do every day at sunset? We come home from the outer world that we just were working and doing our thing. We we we you know go out and earn it during the day and come home and cook it up in the pan in the evening. So the evening time between sunset and midnight is family collective time. And when a baby arrives at that time, I believe that mom and dad, who are normally that nine months caring, normally they're feeding other kids, taking care of the family, they're in the family groove. When now the baby arrives during those evening hours, as I have, I was a 9 p.m. birth myself, that baby comes into a time when mom and dad are in that family groove. That child is part of that family groove. Like it it's uh you know, a birth is also uh not only programming, if you will, synaptic wiring, you know, fast wiring. I think it's like every um uh every uh uh minute there are you know millions of synapses that are being formed in the newborn's brain. So it's literally a super fast function of adapting and connecting to the environment for the baby. Also true for mom and dad, who are having this creature just come out of one person's body and coming into the family system. So their unconscious uh connection to Danielle would be family. They're gonna put you in a family role, I would think. And I wonder um you know what you might say about that. Does that make sense to you that I say that they might put you in a family role?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_00So this time of birth, an evening baby, you know, below the horizon. Yeah, do you do you feel that they had a role? Like, did mom or dad have a role for you of being a family keeper, a family nurturer? Now you were the last born, so one would think that wouldn't be the case as a No, that wasn't really the case.
SPEAKER_03That wasn't really the case, except that No, I really just poured all of myself into my own child, really.
SPEAKER_00I still wonder, however, with this chart, I I would think, uh, and I'm honoring Danielle's report, but if you are you know working in a session with me, I would look at this big grouping and think that um this chart implies, go back to that chart, this chart implies that uh mom and dad are indeed, you know, um uh intending the the children to all come together and intending you to be part of that family unit. That as a last baby, um that's an important piece. So one thing I teach that I think other astrologers don't look at is that moon-sun relationship. When I see the moon near the sun, in this case, they are sextile to each other. Um so that moon's in a in a waxing crescent phase. But when the moon's near the sun, whether it's a waning moon or a waxing moon, I always think of moon mommy and sun daddy as being united or together. And it's usually the mark of an early couple or a couple who's had children. So it may be the last born. It's very common for it to be some kind of, in other words, it's some kind of turning point of dad and mom's journey together. So this tells me 1959, your birth year, was a turning point in mom and dad's marital identity and their own maturation with regards to family kids and the the role of family. So I'm I'm wondering if you
Stellium Power And Season Theory
SPEAKER_00have any thought about that.
SPEAKER_03Well, it was interesting because having siblings who were so much older than me, my parents really poured their time and their fun time and their vacations into them. When I came along, they were not really getting along that well. So there were no vacations. I never went on vacation with my parents. They did everything very separately. My mother took me to certain things, my father took me to certain things. So it's kind of interesting that that would be the case. So yes, it was a maturation of their couple that eventually disintegrated, but at that point it was yeah, everything pivoting and focusing on me and nothing else.
SPEAKER_00You know, we they were together for at least 15 years. You had a 15-year-old sibling. So, you know, think about all of us, how we grow in in five-year increments. So, in you know, 15 years is a is a lengthy marriage in and of itself. And you know, if you have children, I mean all of that you know informs and molds us a great deal. Our own, you know, think of like 25 to 15 years to then 40. I mean, that's a that's a sizable growth phase for anybody. Um that's the logic here. In other words, astrology, astrologic, it should be logical, rational when we look at this chart as a as a series of cycles that describe what this newborn Danielle encountered. So when we look at the chart astrologically with astrological tenets, we say, ah, Neptune can join the marriage angle. That's a key issue. Neptune, uh, I look at it as only you know uh 20 degrees there, about half a degree away, half a sign rather away from that moon. Other astrologers say that Neptune is nowhere near that moon, and I say as an astronomer, you go out there uh with a telescope and at the eyepiece, and you will look at these planets and see them actually quite close to each other in the sky. Or as I like to say, it's good for us to know uh that you know um I think a fist held at arm's length is is itself 10 degrees of space, and the hang 10 symbol at arm's length is half a sign, roughly. So if you think about that up in the sky, out of the whole sky, that Neptune and Moon were right next to each other astronomically. Astrologers say no, they weren't conjoined. I say baloney, they were. Moon mommy and Neptune. Mom is feeling Neptunian, mom is feeling unclear, mom is going through an identity crisis, mom is going through a phase of feeling that she's lost herself or is losing herself. And of course, a lot of moms can feel that having children. Um, that you know, a lot of moms feel, in fact, that the children they need mom, and they also feel the husband becomes a child figure. And so a lot of moms will express that they they are the ones who are keeping the whole family, and they kind of, you know, my needs are less, the everyone else's needs come first. So technically, Moon Neptune is victim mom or mom who feels victimized or feels in a role of subservient, uh, dutiful giving to others. Sun Uranus, exact conjunction here, that sun at 15, Uranus at 16, says dad is busting loose. Dad's doing his own thing. This chart also says, therefore, that you are genetically more your father than your mother.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so being genetically more your father than your mother, your mother makes note of that. Because that moon in the sixth house, not too far from the seventh, in my astrology way of interpreting charts, says mom needed this baby to partner with her. You were the last child. One reason that mom got married was certainly to have children. That was one of the reasons she married this fellow, and that Venus might. Mars bundle next to your son says that your father was quite the guy. He was handsome, he was he was sexy, uh, he was uh as as my spouse says, he was suave and deboner. He was suave and debonair. Suave and deboner might fit better in the fifth house. He was probably a bit of a ladies' man, and she would have been agog over this really you know kind of sexy guy who's just full of Leonian power. I'm wondering if you could speak to that.
SPEAKER_03I mean, he did treat her well for sure, uh, but she was very distant. Yeah, she was very distant. And eventually, yes, my mother and I moved to France when I was 11. So we did form that. Oh, just the two of us. So we did form that uh partnership that you were referring to, which was heavy.
SPEAKER_00So mom mom had you as a partner in the in the end as well. The chart usually is descriptive. Yes, I think that mom uh needed a partner at that time, and the fact that you uh look like your father or that you have a genetic disposition or a style of character like your father, uh that can go in any number of ways for for a mother. Yeah, sometimes that that's you know they're they're drawn to this child as they see as being a powerful person. I'm gonna guess your mother sees you as powerful, yeah, competent and can do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Now there are a few things about this chart astronomically that I want to dig into here that I think are really important when we talk about a chart describing nature, the season of birth, the time of birth, and how that time of birth is imprinted in mom and dad, you know, that the when you arrived into the family system when that baby was born. I always say if you're an evening baby nowadays, the typical couple will literally clean up that baby as soon as possible. And if it's an evening birth, they'll take that baby to bed with them. It wasn't always a tradition going back to earlier generations, but now it's pretty much the norm. That baby is literally in bed versus a daytime baby when you know dad or mom are maybe still achieving career-wise. So this is a this is a family internal kind of a chart that family is going to imprint you in a really big, big way. Um, again, going back for a second to the chart. There is this quality of that Uranus that says, you know, discovered during French and American Revolutions, Uranus, a rule breaker, someone who breaks free. So I understand that you would eventually break free of a family system or feel compelled to do so, to find yourself, to individuate. But that wouldn't be the role they would have for you early on. That's an important distinction here. The breaking away wouldn't have felt necessary if there wasn't an unconscious role. And I I think I'm hearing with the divorce, Neptune marriage angle says when the baby is born, there is something maritally stressful likely happening. There is a dissolve. There are various form of possibilities, but one possibility with Neptune is but things happening behind the scenes on either side of the marriage. There can be other relationships, it could be even the feeling or or or wish or desire for other relationships for mom or dad. But I'm gonna say that that was percolating in this relationship at the time in 1959. Makes sense, yeah. It makes sense.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So this chart has some other interesting things. Danielle's born at Lamas, or the cross-quarter day, like mid-summer. So your nature is that summertime of finding oneself. You know, what do we do? I can't wait for summertime
Moon–Neptune And Parental Stress
SPEAKER_00because then I will, once summer comes, then I will, you know, with the boss, I would be at work on vacation, then I can focus on what I want. So summertime births are really for mom and dad, you know, part of that, you know, coming of the family coming together, doing its thing, vacation or connection or bonding. But it's really about what I want. It says mom or dad, typically a summertime birth, son, daddy, talks about what what I'm going to become, what I want to do. So even in 1959, with that Uranus Pluto bundle in your chart, Danielle says your father was very focused on himself in those years and what he wanted to create in his life, born with that huge bundle pattern and that large stellium. There's also this Sun, Venus, Mars alignment that in 1962 formed, but we just had in 2026 the Sun, Venus, Mars alignment where uh Venus, Mars, and Sun are traveling together for months at a time, and eventually, due to retrograde motion, uh the the and and of course the solar motion too, the the season, uh the sun and Venus will get so close to the sun that we cannot see them visually. So, in a in a shamanic way, they say that they're in the underworld or they're they're in the invisible world where we don't see Venus and Mars, and it forms sort of like a bonding with that sun. So whenever we see, whenever I see a Venus Mars, Venus creativity, arts, Mars execution, Venus uh let's say romance, Mars sexuality. Uh, when I see those two together, it's the mark of an artist, it's the mark of a creative. It says that you, Diane Danielle, are definitely a creative and an entrepreneurial Mars son creative and an artist artistic creative, and about aesthetics. Aesthetics and beauty are very important in this chart. It says your father is an artist and was a handsome, attractive guy. He's create he's a creative guy who with tons of artistic talent and can do capacity. So where were I also on my little cheat sheet here? Um folks, get my computer do what I want it to do. Interesting, too, that that Venus is about to tear in retrograde in only two days after your birth. So we have a retrograde Mercury in your birth chart and a retrograde Venus when you were born. Again, retrograde planets literally mean that they are slowing down their motion visibly astronomically, so they're kind of highlighted. I always think of it as a blowtorch on metal. You know, you're you're skimming the metal with a blowtorch, you scar it or you leave a mark, but when you slow down, you burn through. So this chart says a retrograde Mercury that is moving very slowly, Mercurial mind moving very pointedly and directively, and Venus that's slow, in Virgo at 16, that is slowing down in only two days to station retrograde. Retrograde planets are internal oftentimes, they're astrologically considered markers of internalization. So I wonder this idea of Mercurial Mental and Venus Arts, if that leaps off the page as two themes that are in your life.
SPEAKER_03Oh, without a doubt, I mean I'm a writer.
SPEAKER_00You're a writer.
SPEAKER_03And uh I flip houses.
SPEAKER_00So the creative there. Now let's start with a writer. So you've you will talk about this more, but you've authored a goodly number of books over a wide span of sort of different topics, no?
SPEAKER_03Yes, and I published a magazine for many years, and yes, I definitely have been making a living writing uh with a I had a marketing firm, a public relations for firm, and I still do a lot of public relations right now. So, yes, uh writing has been a big part of it, but also yes, the aesthetic. I mean, I worked with artists, I was an artist rep for a long time, and I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, and so all of that does come together. And when you flip houses, what are you looking for? You're looking for the decor, and that's usually why people get into it because they want to decorate houses, let's face it.
SPEAKER_00Wow. So, okay, so there's that Libra moon in your chart, and then oftentimes um, excuse me, I find uh Libra planets, Venus moon particularly, sometimes sun as well, uh, can talk about uh interior decorating. That's the it's a mark of a decorator to have that uh Venus uh in uh in in Virgo. The the signs Virgo and Libra in and of themselves to me are about orger or organization, order, and beauty. And think of it too. Venus and Libra are both autumnal signs. They are about the the beauty of the fall, the leaves falling. It's it's about a you know, beautiful time. Even sort of uh this chart, that that Virgo placements of Venus and Mars, when the sun is at that area of those degrees of the chart, it's usually that time we call uh Indian summer. So these the planets of this chart are all in fall, that Libra, uh that Libra moon, sort of the Indian summer part of the chart, uh that talk about beauty. So again, aesthetics and beauty, and you know, Libra is decor and decorating. Uh the moon, of course, is real estate. Uh so this would be where your chart says real estate, property, uh maybe food, hotel industry, uh, you know, like I would look at this chart and think with this big uh grouping in this quadrant, not just the Mercury in the fourth house, but the whole quadrant being heavily occupied, it is the quadrant of the family in the home. And I would think this person being aesthetic, having an eye for decor and decoration, uh, an artist, a creative thinker, an independent Uranus thinker, uh, with that moon too. I would think that this would be like real estate. I would see this as this as a person who owns a bed and breakfast. So I'm I mean, I do know about your your life, but your chart describes this. This is fifth house of speculation and creativity and fun. It's where the sun is every day from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. I mean it that's her there's her son. She's born 11 o'clock. Uh 11 o'clock uh daylight time, uh 10 o'clock standard time, by the way. So there's that sun in that house of play and joy. What we do every day after we have dinner is we entertain ourselves and our others. This is a chart of a person who would love to entertain. And I would join Saturn of construction, excuse me. Saturn of construction, Saturn of architecture, Saturn of form, Saturn that is in very late degree uh Sag, zero, it's really one
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SPEAKER_00degree Capricorn, retrograding back into Saj. So that Saturn is trying to those fire allele planets. So this is a chart of an architect, this is a chart of an interior, interior decorator, this is a chart of a designer. Um, I would give that to Daniel's career, except that Yorana says, I don't want to have to work for anybody else. I don't want to march to the beat of anyone else's drummer. So I'm wondering what your thoughts might be about that in terms of.
SPEAKER_03Well, yeah, for sure. I mean, I was an entrepreneur at six years old, so there's no doubt about it. But I do remember when when I was taking classes with you that you had mentioned the Saturn in construction. And this was way before my my real estate career. But after I left Long Island and I started seeing architecture in the Midwest and the different styles of houses, I just fell in love with it. And I think that that's where it finally started to blossom. And I was able to recognize that, yeah, there was so much out there and so many uh other options. But yes, definitely the offering homes, redone homes to people was was a really big thrill for me.
SPEAKER_00Wow, interesting. Um, so so again, that Saturn we'll we'll talk about in a bit more how Saturn is really prominent, not only at the top of the chart, in astrology 101, the planet that is that is culminating or near culminating is what the outer world, well, it's astronomically what you literally saw. Uh we'll talk about this Saturn being particularly bright and noteworthy astronomically that night, but it was as high as it was almost as high as it could get that nighttime apparition when you were born. And so Saturn describes this this outer world structure, this ability to structure that's really important. That moon also ultimately we'll we'll see talks about structure too. So structure and beauty and art and form. Um there's something else though, and I don't have my cheat sheet uh lined up here. Sorry about that one. The sixth house also rules um employees, staff, workers. So you were flipping houses, and the sixth house also rules small animals versus the twelfth large animals. So small animals. Maybe you could tell our our listeners and viewers about that, where your moon is there in the sixth. She has a moon north node conjunction in the sixth house of small animals, and moon is about nurturance, moon is the womb, moon moon is moon is mommy. I mean, I don't know if you were even raised, maybe you raised small creatures.
SPEAKER_03Maybe that's well, I raised rabbits for years. And very shortly into starting breeding rabbits, um, I started a magazine for rabbit enthusiasts that I kept going for 17 years. So yeah, I was pretty heavily into it.
SPEAKER_00So I love too you started a magazine. So night Saturn in the ninth house of publishing. That's really what very interesting. Saturn ruling her career angle, Saturn Capricorn at the top of her chart at 20 degrees. Uh, and you started a publication. Uh that Saturn is beautifully trying to that Pluto and that Uranus, it's it's trying to the whole bundle, really. It's like activating that whole bundle by trying, by flow. And so it says you have an aptitude to you know, launching something Uranus, Mars, initiating, launching something and making it concrete. So, fifth house is the house of hobbies, by the way. Hobbies and passions. I mean, it is where the sun is every day from 8, 9, 10 p.m. You could say that the children go to bed and mom and dad have passion, you know. So it's a it's a fifth house is about passion. And when we have a loaded fifth, as I do in my chart too, it's a person who's a hobbyist or has you know things that they just adore and love and maybe try to make a career from. So sixth house is is uh animals, pets, uh, and also the combination of this this quadrant, fourth house, real estate, real estate, entertainment, the moon, um, people. This is also the mark of a chef or a person who might be a restaurant tour. Can you speak to that?
SPEAKER_03I did have a restaurant, it sort of fell apart, but I did have a restaurant for a while. It was a great experience, and uh it was interesting. But the restaurant itself is what sort of launched my real estate career because I took an empty building in the middle of Pennsylvania, well, on the edge of Pennsylvania and Ohio, and had to reconstruct it, do the whole renovation and install everything required for the restaurant. So that was a learning experience. And then yes, I was the chef and it was fun. It was fun.
SPEAKER_00Now keep in mind, folks, that this Saturn at the top of the chart, which rules architecture and building and you know, solid, you know, solid material theme, Saturn's cycle, Saturn's orbit is 30 years, and so every uh quarter of that, age seven, age 14, age 21, age 30, age 30, Saturn return, age 60, second Saturn return, age 90, third Saturn return. Saturn is about material, functional, outer world. And here, Saturn's the highest, most elevated planet in the chart, about making things concrete. It's classically, Danielle, the chart for an architect. That's one of the first things. If you if you were 18 and said, gee, Alexander, what do you think? I would think our architecture, as long as you had a great deal of freedom, because if you had a sense of being trapped or stuck under somebody else's thumb, that would not work
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SPEAKER_00for you. Argo, the buying and flipping. Um, but this theme of um of that moon, uh, workers and food and food service, uh again, the combination can be hotel people. Can you speak to that in your life experience?
SPEAKER_03Well, I did have my little uh bed and breakfast, but I also did a lot of Airbnb before then. Um, so yeah, I mean I've always had crews, I've always had people working for me, and they always loved working for me for some reason. I don't I don't know why.
SPEAKER_00Fifth house, you make it fun.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was always a good experience. Yes, I always allowed people to express themselves and to bring to the table what they could because that's what we're all about, right?
SPEAKER_00Well, that is uh this is like our all of our charts. That is an offshoot of your family experience. That is an offshoot of your childhood experience with lots of siblings and mother and father. And I'm gonna think with that loaded fifth house, dad was in some way either entrepreneurial himself or cre creative. He had a creative side that he wanted to express. The Saturn suggests father patriarchy that maybe career-wise he couldn't express it, that what he did to earn a living was different than what his passion was, which actually was part of what helped helped that marriage come to a place of difficulty. Yes. Is that right?
SPEAKER_03Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Did did your father have creative passions that he felt the marriage as it was uh the the arrangement with that woman, his mother, your mother, his wife, somehow prohibited him for being creative or doing things in a in a more wild or breakthrough kind of way?
SPEAKER_03Oh, without a dad. I mean he was very artistic and he sort of kept that until he retired, didn't really express that as much as he could have. But he was also passionate of gardener. He was like a our garden was just like an English garden or maybe like a French garden with everything. Oh beautiful, beautiful.
SPEAKER_00Interesting, Taurus Rising, but normally uh normally Taurus is given to gardening per se or or cancer home. Um, but there's that artistic, so it says dad has a creative artistic flair. And then again, there's the real estate piece that you know I I just would again wonder, it seems logical to me that if your father you know really adored the his garden and made it like a showpiece, that that would imprint the whole family, certainly imprinted you.
SPEAKER_03Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Now, the the this theme of that moon uh in the six of service to others and being like a chef, cook, nurturer. Again, I would think to me, if again, if you were a young lady coming to me as a client, I would see the architectural piece, I would see the entrepreneurial piece, I would see the home piece, this whole quadrant, and I would think uh it reminds me of when I when I took an Airbnb in Martha's Vineyard. I would say to you, literally, I would like to see you buy property on a Martha's Vineyard vacation kind of a place that people want to go to, where you could love being there with them and really like adventure with them, you know. Like I could even imagine if you were in a prover proverbial Costa Rica, you'd be doing the you know the paddleboarding with them, you know, not just selling them or giving them paddleboards, but this is a person who wants to participate in this larger family. So you had uh uh a retirement uh brother, pardon me, you had a retreat rather in in France. Can you tell us about that?
SPEAKER_03I did, yes. I decided that I was going to do Airbnb, and I just happened upon a manor that was for rent. And it had been um a bed and breakfast at one point. It was close to a tourist uh attraction park, uh historic attraction park, one of the largest in Europe, and so we were about 15 minutes away.
SPEAKER_00The largest uh historic attraction park?
SPEAKER_03Can you exactly translating they put on like these huge plays and uh they have like seven or eight things going on during the day, and they have these vignettes of people in all times of history, and come for two or three days to be able to see all of these different shows. It's an amazing thing. And the French love history, so that really works. Europeans in general like history.
SPEAKER_00So by the way, folks, Saturn Saturn at the top of the chart governs history and historians and and uh archaeologists and people who have a fascination, a passion for collectibles or you know, for for for grand, you know, older items. Uh Saturn is Kronos, Father Time. So Saturn being prominent again. Uh you said your father's gardens were like English gardens, not just uh gardening, but they were yes.
SPEAKER_03He would have loved this place because he loved he loved French architecture and French homes anyway. But this manor was on, I don't know, 40 something acres, and had, you know, beautiful lake and all these different buildings. And uh the house that I was renting was built in 1802. So very old and majestic, just really, really beautiful, beautiful place. It was fun, it was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_00And what I love too is your you were uh sharing that this place that you had as a French uh bed and breakfast retreat was um Fithouse, enter House of Entertainment Parks of Fun Arts. So you're saying that it was only right near the largest. Uh how did you cry describe it again in France?
SPEAKER_03It was the largest um tourist attraction. Uh historic uh touristy place. It was an attraction, um, uh uh a park, like uh like a Disney World, but for people interested in history.
SPEAKER_00So uh, you know, the fifth house is the the the the the house of hobbies, fun, play, entertainment, and
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SPEAKER_00Saturn, of course, the ruler of the career, is you know, antiques and and chrono father of time, chrono Saturn, you know, things of things of of history. So it's again playing out very interestingly how that literally manifested, and that your your father's at least your father's passion uh of gardening brought that uh brought that up to you. I'm gonna think that that Saturn square the moon and square the nodes also is really, really important here for your mom. I think that the chart describes that your mom came from something Saturnine or traditional, or maybe even a sense of uh a sense of challenge. Maybe her childhood felt collectively challenged, perhaps either Jupiter through religion, or but in some way, you know, there's a quality of World War II. So World War so she was uh she was then uh in Europe? Europe both your parents are Europe are Europeans?
SPEAKER_03Yes, and they they did the exodus with the grandmother and the four kids just carrying their stuff on their back for three days to leave, yes, to leave uh the place that was being uh bombed to go to Paris. So yeah, it was it was pretty traumatic.
SPEAKER_00Your chart suggests to me with the square of Saturn that it was that that alone was traumatic, but your mother's childhood itself was more traumatic, your mother's child was more limited than your father's since son is daddy. This says dad's dad came comes from a family of larger than life personalities.
SPEAKER_03Most likely.
SPEAKER_00Did you know any of did he have siblings? Did you know, did you know any of that?
SPEAKER_03Yes, it was an extraordinary story. My father was born in the United States, as was his older brother, but they were born to a French mother and a German father, and they went back to Germany, made money in the United States, went back to Germany, opened up a I think it was like a hotelslash uh general store, and his mother died. His father died when he was seven, and his mother died when he was 10. And so they went back. He, his older brother, and his younger brother went to France, where the aunts raised them a little bit until she was she was actually killed, and then the brother who was 18 took his two younger siblings and found a place for them to live and raised the the kids.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_03So, yes, larger than life. Yeah, I mean, it turned all three of them into very uh interesting sort of egotistical people.
SPEAKER_00Well, the Leo says that the family is large, that he comes, your father, son, in Leo with this big stellium from a larger-than-life situation and larger-than-life people. It may involve uh Mars and Pluto war. Uh, that Pluto also talks about, even though Pluto is uh Pluto Hades is a male god, uh, like Mercury, uh, Pluto Hades can can be uh gender non-specific. Uh you know, there there is a there is a change changeling quality here to that Pluto uh in the fifth house of children and father. And Pluto talks about uh matriarchy. Saturn is patriarchy, Pluto's matriarchy. So the Saturn aspecting your father your son in your chart says your father was very he comes from a long line of patriarchal figures who are very attached to their lineage and their store lineage family story, but Pluto can join the sun, the matriarchs rate would raise him, either aunts or or grandmothers or mother figures or his mother. So you're it says really your father, it says your father very strongly influenced by the patriarchy, but identifying with his mother. Yes, yes, and women in general.
SPEAKER_03That makes very much sense.
SPEAKER_00Your father identifies with women not only as a maybe he might have been a bit of a uh a woman's man, certainly women would find him very attractive and compelling, uh, but I think he identifies with women. Does that make sense when I say those things?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00So um a couple other slides here to to to look at then about this Venus Mars and that that hidden quality, that Mar Venus Mars syzygy. You know, this is an alignment when Venus, Mars, and Sun are all aligned together, maybe Venus or Sun retrograde going behind the sun, uh, so we can't see them visibly. It's like uh it's like an amalgamation of the sun, you know, the energy of spirit, one's spirit life force. And and Venus, you know, the circle of spirit that that rides on top of the cross of matter. So Venus is about spiritual, uh aesthetic and creative, art artistic, putting the putting, putting the spirit first. That's Venus, where Mars is the reverse. You know, the the arrow for Mars was added in the last 200 years, but always it was the cross of matter over the circle of spirit, the glyph for Mars. It says that Mars is about earthing things, earthing things. So here we have this syzygy, this this melding of your spirit force, your life force with creative arts and and active you're doing. You're a doer. This chart says you're you're always on the go. You're rarely stay at a standstill, you're almost always moving. Is that right?
SPEAKER_03Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Even a little bit compulsively.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_00The word parapetic here literally comes to fit. Parapatetic means physically andor mentally on the move. And I'm gonna say mentally,
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SPEAKER_00especially that that Mercury is retrograde, that Venus is stationing in two days of this chart. So, you know, the arts and creativity, you're you're always gener you're like a generator of creative art. Yeah. Classic chart, folks, for a painter or a dancer or a singer. I'm gonna say you haven't mentioned it yet about singing or painting or dancing or performing arts on stage, but this is a stage actress's chart, too. I mean, have you ever done anything of that nature?
SPEAKER_03Just as a child. But my my son is a born actor.
SPEAKER_00One of your children?
SPEAKER_03Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Wow, did not know that. So there's that fifth house, and that so the children are creative. Your your own children are creative artists. Literally, one is an actor, and one the other one is Mercury, uh mentally intense and brilliant.
SPEAKER_03I have one child.
SPEAKER_00Oh, oh, okay. So so your child uh your child is is is an actor and also really brilliant. This is this is a person with a really super sharp mind.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So again, you know, we can we can look at people in our lives through derived houses. We're we're not gonna get into that too much right now, but the chart is descriptive. It certainly says that with all this bundle in the fifth, children have a very huge impact on your life. Normally, a loaded fifth house says this person plans or wants to have children, or that you know, children for your father is a is a huge issue to have a family, to prove him, to prove himself and prove his worth as a man is to to to forward the family, put have the family and lineage go forward under his name. And normally uh the chart would say you identify with that too, but that Euronus is a rule breaker. So tell us a little bit about your ideals of children and having children of your own.
SPEAKER_03Well, I never really expected to have children or wanted children, and then I wound up having a child at 41, which is a little unusual.
SPEAKER_00Um definitely a little later.
SPEAKER_03Yes, it is later. And my child uh came into the world female, but identifies as male and is um living a life uh different from what a lot of people would expect, and uh definitely uh one of the um torch holders for the LGBT community.
SPEAKER_00So so well, one thing, you know, if you read the chart black and white, you know, uh astrology 101, uh the fifth house is the first child, typically in a birth chart. Some say we're the woman, the fourth house describes the first child, and then the sixth house the second. But I I still that that's a challenging technique still. I still think the fifth house describes children in general in our lives and our attitude, and also who they may be. So the fifth house is the first child, and it says of this child that this one person's gonna be bold, ego strong, uh very brilliant, mercurially intellectual, artistic creative, independent spirit, and Uranus, a rule breaker, somebody who does not like to play by any societal standards. Which in some ways is your father, it's like a hidden aspect of your father, but not how he acted in the outer world. Your father dotted the i's crossed the t's in the outer world with that Saturn trine, your son, but he was like your like your child, you know, his own independent person.
SPEAKER_03Well, yes, because during the war he was he worked for the Résistance and he used to smuggle food into Paris because they had no food. So he was um he would speak German when they were to his his French um friends as they were going by the Germans, so that they would not, of course, um be bothered by them during curfew. So yeah, he uh he certainly was along those lines.
SPEAKER_00Wow, that that's quite that that's a whole story under itself for us to dig into, I'm sure. Let's not forget that Pluto in this big bundle talks about a well let me back up. The Venus Mars near near Sun Daddy says your father could be very outspoken and very like uh gregarious. The Pluto says there's a side of him that's incredibly private and that you don't know everything, which really is this is again your chart. So there's a ch the side of Danielle that's very private, and there's a side of Danielle that's very gregarious. There's a side of Daniel that's very, you know, what you see is what you get. There's a side of Danielle that there's so much more that we that we don't know, or that you even have to sometimes go through phases where you must keep things to yourself. So Pluto is you know hidden or underworld. So your father, and Pluto, of course, Pluto, Mars, conjunction, the military. So so that the Germans, so in World War II, obviously, your father smuggled food. Wow. Yeah, that's that you know, that it's in uh in your chart describing your father, but that it's in your chart in such a personal way to your son, says these character qualities of your father were very, very important for you. And or that in some way, maybe genetically, maybe he even looked down at you in the crib and said, Oh my god, she's me, and identifies with you. And so some of these internal feelings he has of what he would like to do and will like to become, kind of like what what your child is doing, what who who your child really is, as you know, as as a uh kind of uh I mean, I don't know how to word it these days because I I'm I'm getting older faster as the years go by, but you know, LBGTQ, she she's uh I don't know what's the proper term. Um you know, she's she's what's the there is a proper term for it actually. She's not identifying, or she is identifying identifying as male, yes. As male, right? But she but it's it's sort of a her own choice. She really chooses her uh her sense of uh of being through and through, is what I what I want to say. So it's
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SPEAKER_00an aspect of you. Yes, you're you're being your own person, not operating you know by the constraints of sat Saturnine outer world convention, although observing outer world convention, knowing how to knowing how to give people what they want and deliver it in a way that they comprehend and understand and accept, yet you're always about um doing things differently.
SPEAKER_02Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00So one factor I didn't get into is that they're born during a minor lunar standstill. I think I addressed it earlier in brief. It means that every uh uh every 18.6 years we have major lunar standstills, which we're having right now, 2023, 22 through 26. Major lunar standstill. What it means is observationally, the moon is way high over the sky. Um, these major and minor lunar standstill times were about the planets being very, very high, or in this case the moon, very high overhead, or very, very low, like unusually notable. So when we look at these ancient standing stone formations, we know that they mark uh summer solstice times and winter solstice times and even even spring and and and fall turning points of the seasons, but they were actually particularly notable about these major lunar standstills because the ancients knew every 20 years, roughly, culture does some kind of radical shift, and we're in that major lunar standstill right now. You were born 1959 in a minor lunar standstill. What that means is that the moon, in its journey every night, um, was generally very low to the horizon compared to a major lunar standstill. Those who are listening and those who are watching this program, you can think to yourselves the last few years, by and large, particularly in winter months, when the planets tend to be higher in the sky, the moon has been way, way, way high overhead compared to our usual experience of the moon during these major lunar standstill of 2025-26. So the minor lunar standstill means the moon is really kind of hovering over the earth. It's like an earth mama moon. It's an earth mama. And so your chart has this moon that is really observationally, uh, as typically will be in the signs of Scorpio and Libra and Sag and Capricorn. When the moon is in those signs of the fall into winter, when the moon is traveling through those signs, it's always observationally lower down in the sky from the northern hemisphere. So, number one, people with moon or planets that are in uh Libra through Capricorn, uh Libra through uh uh Aquarius, the planets tend to be lower in the sky anyway. But here it's a particular year, Danielle, you're born where that moon is at that minor lunar standstill, really, really hugging the earth. And so it's that earth mama. And the moon is about giving birth, the moon's about birthing, the moon's about feeding, the moon's about food. And if I'm not mistaken, you're a chef, you're you're underplaying anything, I think, for our audience. But are you not kind of a chef? I I am tell us a little bit about that.
SPEAKER_03Well, growing up in I grew up in France and I was surrounded by many women who cooked and who were wonderful cooks. And so I would sit in the corner with my little notebook and write down everything that they did.
SPEAKER_01And I learned how to cook with all the women in my family. Your audio is gone out.
SPEAKER_00Sorry. When you had that uh that sorry, when you had that retreat house in France near that major uh park that you talked about, that was a big draw, uh i it it was an Airbnb. You you had guests come. I'm gonna present.
SPEAKER_03American breakfast, actually, because that was my thing.
SPEAKER_00How did that translate, I wonder?
SPEAKER_03Oh, they loved it. They loved it. You know, the muffins and the and the bacon occasionally and all of the other stuff. No, it was it was very well received.
SPEAKER_00So you really that that lunar standstill highlights that moon in your chart that otherwise, yes, astrologically, moon sixth house is one of those placements like moon tenth, where we have you know cooks and chefs, moon food house too, people who love cooking or food who are foodies. Um, but you know, sixth house is also service people. So it says, you know, you're you're you're you weren't just a wonderful chef. Uh you had your own restaurant for a while, but you know, it was part of your bed and breakfast your chart is like a classic chart for bed and breakfast. I still say, in fact, Danielle, that of all things that you're doing, I would think a bed and breakfast kind of dynamic would be your your ultimate, not your penultimate, your ultimate joy, fifth house joy in life.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Let's move on to some interesting other interesting things about that moon, home, and uh, and and the inner world of the home. When you were born, uh, as I said, I may have made reference earlier as we started that the Saturn had its rings wide open. You know, Saturn's rings go through a phase uh over um a uh a 30-year period from what they're doing right now, where the where the rings are uh edge on and astronomically disappear through a telescope, more or less, disappear. Uh that was the we had rings uh edge on when Barack Obama was elected. The the constraints of the norm of our government were, if you will, ripped off. We had uh our first you know person of color as the president. Uh when uh Donald Trump was first elected, we had rings wide open, which is the phase that we had uh when you were born, those ring rings wide open.
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SPEAKER_00And so in your birth chart, that Saturn, although it's low to the horizon when you're born, it was super, super bright with those rings wide open. It talks about material form and material constraint, or being able to apply material you know function. So it's a it's again like I would look at your chart and think, uh, architecture, you know, what what is what what do we see in this this chart that is that is you know really possible the outer world building architecture. So now we're on to another career. So we we've had uh uh we've had uh uh creative arts. We we've we've you you you supported artists, uh you uh had your own advertisement agency.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_00You were you were a publicist? So I should actually have you tell us.
SPEAKER_03And then I got bitten by the real estate bug.
SPEAKER_00Well, first you brought the restaurant and had a restaurant, the food moon thing. But that buying of that restaurant you said launched the appeal for real estate buying, selling, and flipping. Is that right?
SPEAKER_03Yes, yeah. Yeah, trying to transform and learning how to transform a space, even though it was very constrained because it was a commercial space, sort of like started at that. And then I moved to a part in Ohio where all of a sudden real estate was very affordable. And so all of a sudden, compared to New York, well, compared to New York, yes, compared to a lot of places, and so that really helped me um to build that whole career and to launch um my flipping career, which was interesting because once again, because I am a rebel, um, and I did not want to get taken advantage of by my contractors, and I wanted to make money as well, which I didn't think was going to happen if I didn't let my contractors work the way they wanted to work. So I really took control and I built this whole system because I love systems. I built this whole system to manage an entire flip and to manage my contractors and to manage everything, every little detail. And I just learned how to build a roadmap of a flip from start to finish. And it's really is the whole thing of how um you can look at things from start to finish and make sure that everything falls right into place the way it should.
SPEAKER_00So um I believe that we're on to your your next uh Mars, Sun, Venus, you know, alignment entrepreneurial uh effort, which I believe you've written like your seventh or or eighth book.
SPEAKER_03Um I don't think I don't think I've written that many. Well, maybe. I mean, I've read a lot of French manuals for the French language when I was, yes. Um so I've written two books about real estate, one for Airbnb, people who are starting Airbnbs, the beginning things, what you need to know. And then the second one, which is the system that I created, which I call it's your flip. Um so that's that's one book that I wrote recently.
SPEAKER_00So tell us about it's your flip. Tell us about uh a little more, flesh that out for for us if you can.
SPEAKER_03So my real estate career has spanned over a period of about 20 something years. And during that time, I've done all sorts of things. I started by well with this restaurant and commercial in commercial real estate, and then I went into rentals, and then I went into land contracts and uh residential assisted living and uh flipping and Airbnbs. And I just um really love the whole aspect of changing. Changing a home entirely and offering something that's completely different from what it started out to be. And I like the feel the feeling of giving somebody a forever home. So that was really something. Um, having gone through all of these different phases in real estate, I'm well versed in trying to find capital. How do you um how do you flip without using your own money? Because I've in real estate, I never use my own money. I always use other people's money. And I started out with zero dollars, and that's always how I did my real estate transactions. At one point I owned about 20 houses, so I'd say that it worked out pretty well for not putting in any of my own money.
SPEAKER_00Wow, that's that's quite amazing.
SPEAKER_03But it's it's just it's just a question of really um taking reality and turning it into what works for you, and I'm really good at that angle skin, I guess you call it.
SPEAKER_00Well, and that's that's uh again, you know, your your your chart astro speak-wise, your your chart has that phenomenal Saturn that's beautifully aspecting your whole chart. And again, one uh phenomenon of the Saturn astronomically in your chart is that uh it's nearly out of bounds. Saturn uh is one of those planets that cannot astronomically go out of bounds, um, but it is darned close here uh to going out of bounds, being particularly low in the sky, like really, really earth-bound, you know, really low in the sky observationally. So it's bright, the rings are wide open, and it's really, really low in the sky observationally uh speaking. But you know, when you were born, it was the the highest, most elevated planet. So it talks about the outer world being very Saturnine for this chart. Um so you know, again, that's the the the rings wide open, that that Saturn being really rather high, uh rather low rather to the Earth, uh, out of bounds. So this this term out of bounds, uh basically out of bounds planets are planets that are uh that are either very, very high or very, very low compared to their usual visible manifestation. It's really the the earth, the sun's path or the earth's path around the sun, or the sun's path around the earth observationally, you know, from a zodiacal standpoint. So when a planet is really high above that path, the ecliptic or really low, it's notable. It's sort of like saying it's in some way supercharged. The person's got something really like out of the norm. So when we see people who have uh usually people who have got odd extreme careers or qualities to their nature commonly have an out-of-bounds planet that
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SPEAKER_00that symbolizes they take it beyond the norm. And so that Saturn in your chart is nearly out of bounds. Most astrologers would not notice that. They would be looking for it to be out of bounds altogether, but it's darned close to being at the extreme. And so I am extreme. What's that? I am extreme. Well, uh the idea that you had 20 properties, none of which you funded with your own money, uh, I think is certainly entrepreneurial, this big fifth house, and is certainly really interesting, noting that that Saturn is in the ninth house of law and contracts, and not far from the eighth house of resources and money. That's an important piece, you know. Again, we look at uh astrologers tend to look at each house as meaning something and that they're separated, uh, but really they ought not to be. We're we're looking at this quadrant of law, legalities, resources, monies, joint monies, lenders, banks, banking, and deals. So that Jupiter is in that house of deals and it rules lenders. So you're a person who can really uh finagle deals with people. You're you're you're a great um connector.
SPEAKER_03Yes, a negotiator.
SPEAKER_00You're a negotiator.
SPEAKER_03That's really important. Negotiation is especially in real estate it's state.
SPEAKER_00So as charts do, uh there's always layer upon layer upon layer that we could speak to. We'll maybe come back another time and flesh out more, perhaps. Um, but you know, this this theme of Neptune on the cusp of of partnerships. Uh the Jupiter is expansive, the Neptune can be uh unclear. So I'm quite certain that some of the people you partnered with were that some of the lenders you had or co-operate or co-lenders, there were some Neptunian confusions that undoubtedly arose uh with Neptune Square, that Mercury in the fourth. In the end result, you probably had some people who were not totally compassmentis. You had some people who maybe had substance or alcohol or drug problems. I'm gonna wonder if that's true.
SPEAKER_03Well, um, there are certain there are certain industries like construction and restaurants that attract usually people who have substance abuse issues and felons and people who have committed crimes and yes, all of that. And real estate, unfortunately, is really riff of people who are not necessarily looking out for others, but really for themselves. So um, yes, there is a lot of that in the industry, unfortunately. People a lot of people try to take advantage of others. I have always been honest and I've always tried to take care of other people in real estate as well, but it's not the case for everyone. So, yes, I I've been taken advantage of, I've been stolen from, and I've had plenty of issues with people around me in real estate. But in the end, it still is an amazing industry.
SPEAKER_00Well, I want to note too, as we come to close shortly, that you know, not only are you multi-creative, multi-careered, you know, uh so many different aspects this chart has indeed manifested. You've you've lived, you've manifested your chart as our charts in a way describe, you know, so uh they describe our gift, where we are gifted. And this chart would be a person who's you know mega gifted in many ways, in in concrete, down-to-earth ways, um, but also uh Uranus and Neptune in ways that are with Pluto too, in ways that are really beyond the the pay beyond the norm. You know, like you're you're always seeking beyond the norm. And I think uh breeding rabbits, uh writing a rabbit magazine, uh publishing the magazine for a few decades and then selling it for a good a good profit to fund other parts of your life is you know that sixth house moon, again, another version of feeding nurturing. It's really quite uh notable. So tell us a little bit then in in closing here uh about your your book and how people can get in touch with you.
SPEAKER_03So my website is itsiourflip.com, your your. Um, and on it you can get information about real estate about flipping. There's a newsletter, there are podcasts, there's all sorts of information. Um and I also do mentoring for people who want to flip or who are stuck in the middle of a flip or who don't know how to get out of a problem with having a flip. Um they can come to my website, they can contact me at this number. I'm very happy to talk about whatever your problems are in flipping. Um, outside of the mentoring. I mean, I just like a lot of people in real estate, we like to talk about it. So feel free.
SPEAKER_00And I'm certain that they'd be create creative ideas, you know, outside the box ideas like funding and financing, and you know, uh maybe even if I recall uh real estate investment groups and such that you you've had experience.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_00Well, folks, so we've had indeed uh you know a person with an extraordinary life who otherwise seems like an ordinary uh person with an extraordinary life. Danielle, thank you and bless you. Um for those of you who want to you know book a session with me, uh here's my contact and my uh my uh count information and also my little um uh you know point your phone and grab the uh the uh the data. Uh love to hear from you too. Any notes or comments feel free to make. And uh we'll definitely have uh Daniel's uh information on the show notes. So thank you, Danielle, so much. It's been really always mag magnificent to spend time with you. Thank you for sharing your amazing life story with us, and and uh we'll talk again soon.
SPEAKER_03Thank you for having me on.
SPEAKER_00Thank you.