Tuning Forks, Tuning in, and 'Horse-Sense' !

In this interview, we sit down with Healer/Intuitive Shannon Quinn to explore the astrological correspondences of her Scorpio Sun & Aries Moon chart, especially highlighting the powerful Neptune signature she has that mirrors her sensitivity, intuition, and lifelong instinct of tuning in to what’s happening beneath the surface.

Shannon grew up in Amish country Pennsylvania, and coming of age, then made an early decisive break for adventure! She took a leap of faith, obtaining a civilian Air Force career path that carried her to Alaska, and then halfway around the globe to Guam.

 We talk about how family stressors can mold a kid to become the peacemaker, and how relationship patterns can echo those early childhood emotional patterns. The conversation doesn’t stay abstract: it’s about our common human story, our need for safety and peace, and how our life-path unfolds from our foundations and choices, to become activated skills and our 'gifted-self' !

 Shannon recalls how her former agnostic, science-first worldview evolved through Reiki and then more profoundly into Biofield Tuning, including the practical language of healing clients through subtle energy attunement. 

We also explore her healing work with horses, through unique healing session offerings called the 'Listening Field', blending Shannon's use of intuition, tuning forks, drumming, and deep energetic presence in a way that stays client-led offering deeply grounded healing awareness.

 Finally, we get concrete about what she offers now in Biofield Tuning, including both on-site as well as her phenomenal remote Zoom session/distance healing appointments which provide clients with profound transformations.

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Transcript

Welcome And Chart Snapshot

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Welcome to another show of of astrology off the charts. Uh cosmic indicators and also extraordinary lives of ordinary people. And today we do have an extraordinary person. Uh well be filling us in about her extraordinary interesting life, which I think she does have an extraordinary interesting life. So welcome Shannon Quinn. Thank you so much for joining us today.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Thank you for having me. Excited to be here.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

Good. So, folks, here's Shannon's chart for those uh who are watching on YouTube. Um we see, of course, a Scorpio sun and a Aries moon for those of you who are listening. Uh the data for Shannon, November 18 of 1972, 356, 356 in the afternoon in Lebanon, Pennsylvania. So that's kind of um Pennsylvania, Shannon. That's kind of um uh like kind of uh horse country and uh and uh you know I'm thinking of carriages and Amish people, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:08

It was definitely I was in the heart of Amish country, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

In the heart of Amish country. Yes. That sounds like itself, its own incredible story and adventure. So you grew up you grew up in this uh in this Amish area, is that right?

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Yeah, we I mean whenever you grew, anyway, you had to drive wherever you drove, you you went past Amish farms, and that was where we bought our produce was at the stands. And yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Fascinating. Uh wonderful. Sounds it sounds bucolic and and peaceful in some ways, at least.

unknown 1:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

And it was one of those things that I did not appreciate. Like I could not understand why people would come to Lancaster County to like for on vacation to see the Amish and to see you know just the surroundings and the rolling hills. And then when I was gone for 20-some years and you go back and you're like, oh, okay, I get it now.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

Yeah, the few times I've been myself, I I it is beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

And it's fascinating. And of course, you know, it's a it's a whole culture, it's it looks like uh the Amish culture, a culture of communion and uh and of you know kind of uh tight community. But I'm sure it, you know, there's there's ups and downs in everything in that community as well. Right. But obviously, uh it's essentially they still don't use uh, I don't think have general electricity or automobiles.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

They don't use electricity, they don't use automobiles, they're still horse and carriage.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

Wow. So it kind of it kind of invokes for me this sense of nature and back to the land.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

So Shannon, folks, has a uh uh a Taurus rising with a moon just above the horizon, and that moon's conjoined to the asteroid Chiron, asteroid centaur body Chiron. So here the moon is at 26 degrees, almost 27 of Aries, just above the horizon line to the east on the left side of the chart, and opposite, almost a full moon chart. You're born literally, Shannon, about two days before the full moon, day and a half before the full moon, or the moon would be opposite the sun, that sun opposite in the seventh house, at 26 degrees of Scorpio. So both the lights, the sun and the moon, are at 26 degrees, sun and 26 Scorpio, moon 26 Aries. That is a quinx configuration for those astrology students, 150 degrees, not 180. Um, but it kind of has that, you know, I as an astronomer, I always look at at the chart, you know, in terms of the visual, you know, the sun's setting and the moon's rising. That's what we have here astronomically. Also notable for Shannon's chart, things that pop off uh sort of off the map for me. Um that sun next to black moon, which is a mathematical point I'll talk about, and the planet Neptune and Mercury, right? All bundled with her sun there. So we have an interesting Aries moon chart, Scorpio sun, with a Neptune and Mercury and Black Moon uh bundle or stellium grouping. And just below that, just below the western horizon, Mars and Venus next to each other, Mars and Scorpio, Venus and Libra. So they're swapping signs there. Uh probably mean they're actually they're uh rather in their own home-based signs, Mars and Scorpio, Venus and Libra. And beneath that, Venus, um Uranus and Pluto in Libra. So we have the whole um western side of the chart, uh the whole sunset part of the chart, you know, heavily occupied in this chart, with the moon kind of by itself opposite, and Saturn uh below the moon opposite as well. We'll come back to that. So for those uh who are fellow students of astrology and maybe not you know hardened students of astrology, um, the way I practice astrology is to look at the chart and think about the season

Scorpio Sag Cusp And Seasonal Lens

SPEAKER_03 5:00

that this baby arrived. So here we have November 18th and a sun that's 26th of Scorpio almost in Saj, only four degrees away from Saj or four days away from being a Sag. So Shannon, I look at your chart and say, you're a Scorpio sun, but almost a Saj. You're you're the Scorpio preparation phase. I think of Halloween into Thanksgiving, you're preparing for winter that's coming. And then Sag is really the month just before winter solstice when the winter begins to really take effect. So you're born in a sense, you know, in the calendar above the equator, you're born when the when the fall is really wrapping up and when the winter is starting to amp up. And so there's a there's a fiery quality. Sagittarius, I used to wonder as a fire sign, you know, it was kind of a head scratcher, literally for me. Aries, springtime, and Leo, the other fire sign, midsummer. And how do we have a fire sign in the middle of winter, this beginning of winter, sag, lighting the hearth, lighting the fireplace, lighting the menorah, lighting the candle, lighting the candle of spirit is really the saggy social vibration, saggy social calendar. So we'll we'll see if if this idea of lighting the fire or being a torchbearer or fire carrier uh makes any sense to you in your life path, but I'd say spiritually it's true for you. So here's a little graph that shows each um group of signs. The springtime signs Aries, Taurus, Gemini, summer, cancer, Leo, Virgo, the signs of fall that belongs here to Shannon's birth, Libra, Scorpio, Sag, and then winter signs, Cap, Aquarius, Pisces. So when we think about our birth um day, folks, and and Shannon, of course, here too, when you think about your birthday, Shannon, think about the season, like you know, mom you know, carrying three trimesters and giving birth to this baby, as we're, you know, kind of just before we are heading into winter time, certainly there in uh Lancaster County in Pennsylvania, you know, mid-state Pennsylvania, winter is coming, right? So the season of birth and the time of birth. I have a picture up here for uh YouTubers who are watching um of a sundial. I always think a birth chart is just like a sundial, it's like a glorified sundial. You know, the upper half of the chart is the visible astronomy of things, what you can see. And Shannon's chart, the moon rising, the setting sun, and that Jupiter pretty high in the sky when Shannon was born, the things you can see in the sky that are about the outer world. So before we get really rolling, Shannon, and discussing and you sharing a little bit, you know, perhaps, um, some themes that leap off the chart for me astrologically, and each astrologer is different. Each astrologer is going to read a chart, like zero in on different things. I guess maybe because I'm an avid backyard astronomer, I zero in on things that to me are you know visual astronomy. Like I said, wow, this Jupiter is going to be you know very visible in the nighttime sky that night after sun sets for her, and that moon will be rising, almost a full moon, uh, a waxing building toward full gibbous moon, a waxing gibbous moon is what leaps off the page for me. And so here's five or six things that I think are key for your chart, Shannon. A, you're born the cusp of Scorpio Sag, and so your nature, your your spirit, you know, circle of sun, circle of spirit, your nature is scorpionic, internal, and cautious, but also sag, which is the opposite. So it says of your character structure, and you know, on the one hand, you're very private, scorpionic, and cautious. And so thank you for being here and doing this with Neptune Conjuncture Sun. It's probably um not easy for you to do this kind of a public thing. But then you're almost a Sag, which is like, ah, the hell with it, you know, just be bold. So I'm wondering if that resonates for you, Shannon.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Uh that that definitely resonates as far as like this is this is way out of my comfort zone. Um, and I have been actively working like this year of getting out, like making myself do like uncomfortable things. So, like if you would ask me this three months ago, I'd have been like, no, no, thanks. I'll pass.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

But uh yeah. Well, I really thank you then for for joining us this way. You know, it's really about learning about ourselves, but learning about each other, you know, we're all, I mean, basically, we're here we all are, you know, a work in progress. That's what the human condition is, that's for sure. It's it's certainly not not that. We're we're all certainly in any any spousal connections we've ever had, they know, oh yeah, he's a work in progress.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

Right.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

Applies to myself at least. So um that's one major theme that cuspy Saj Son. I I should again not neglect the Cuspy Aries moon you got, you know, the Sag sun at 26 and the Aries moon at 26 degrees. So both your sun, one's the conscious light of day, the ego, is shifting, says in this incarnation, you're in a state state of shifting from Scorpio to Saggy style. And your moon, 26 Aries says you're shifting from an emotionally fiery quality to a an emotionally subdued or nurturing focal point. So, you know, you could say Aries moon says shoot first, ask questions later. Taurus moon says, hold on, let me just assess what's happening before I necessarily step in it. They're very, very different vibration. Um, also, you're born with a grouping or stellium of planets from Libra to Saj in this chart. I do group them, folks, as one big group on that western side of her chart that tells us she's all about you know things of sort of sunset and afternoon. Um, social collective, social collective interactive is really a key factor in this chart, opposite that moon rising about the self. My emotions, and then the collective, my mission statement. I was born into this family to serve a marital family, collective themes, what it typically

Mercury Retrograde And A Fast Moon

SPEAKER_03 11:10

means in your chart, Shannon. That Mercury is in an out-of-bounds state. We'll talk about that. Out of bounds. So, Shannon, you've got to have Mercury out of bounds. Your Mercury's also retrograde, you know that, I'm sure. Um, but your Mercury just stationed only three days before your birth. So it basically, like when the when the planet stations uh observationally from the Earth, it appears that Mercury, you know, is over the night, you know, night to night is kind of slowing down in its motion and eventually stopping. So night to night, for a couple of nights, Mercury would be almost dead still. It wouldn't change behind the back of the backdrop of stars behind it at all from night to night. Because the Mercury just stationed retrograde, which implies I always think of stationed, uh, stationing retrograde planets as like um this idea symbolically of a blowtorch, you know, moving across metal, it's scorching. And then when the blowtorch slows down and stops, well, what does it do? It burns through. So your mercury has this quality not only being out of bounds, we'll describe what that means, out of the norm, but also retrograde station, like super intensive, super intensive mercurial mental is what that implies about the chart. Your sun is exact almost exactly in parallel to the asteroid scalpia of healing. We'll talk about that. That's an interesting since you are, of course, a healer. Your moon, lastly, is super fast in motion. It means it's zooming through, like from night to night. The moon has a certain motion, as all planets do, and certain orbital speed. Um, of course, the moon's going around the earth, so sometimes it's a lot faster than other times. You are born about one of the fastest moons I've ever seen in all these five decades of working with clients. So it's quite an amazingly super fast emotional processing of things. What that implies. So there's that moon rising in Aries. There's that big bundle from Libra to even Jupiter, but Libra, uh Pluto to that Mercury and Saj, that's retrograde. So we have a big bundle or bundle or stellium here opposite that moon. So we're kicking in here to a couple of slides of just a couple of years ago, right? Um, so here uh again, this chart says you were born in Pennsylvania, uh, not oceanic, that's for sure. Um, you know, the corn belt kind of, I think, of you know, Pennsylvania. And yet um you were born and raised in Pennsylvania. But tell us about this uh experience here and roughly how old you were.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

Um so that was my first job out of college. I went to school, so I grew up in Lancaster County, didn't even go too far for college. I went um outside of Philadelphia, Widener University in Chester. So it was like an hour

Leaving Pennsylvania For Alaska

SPEAKER_00 14:00

and a half away from home. But I always knew that I wanted to get out of Pennsylvania. And it wasn't to run away from something, it was just I I always knew that. Um so I knew when I was gonna graduate high school, I mean college, I was gone. And I was actually dating someone for like three years in like high school, and he wanted to get like he wanted to propose when I was 18, and I said, don't bother, because when I graduate college, I'm leaving. Um and then I've really had this awesome opportunity with the Air Force as a civilian. So my my bachelor's degree was in hotel restaurant management, and I I picked that not because I was passionate about it. I I didn't know what else to pick. Like my parents hadn't been to college. Like we didn't, I guess we had a guidance counselor. I never spoke to her in high school. So, you know, I worked service jobs in hotels and restaurants. I was like, well, I guess I'll just go for that. So um I got a job with the Air Force. They had like a management training program in services, which was food service, and they call it lodging or billeting, which is like the hotels on the base. And I got accepted to the job, and they gave me four options. I could go to Maryland or Delaware, which was way too close to Pennsylvania, or South Dakota or Alaska. So it was up between South Dakota and Alaska, and I went Alaska just because it was the farthest away from Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_03 15:29

Wow. That's pretty courageous. Um, particularly, we were looking at your chart a moment ago, and I'll put put it back up here. Um, because you know, normally a person who's got a Scorpio, they talk about Scorpios being private, meaning there's something in the family structure. In this case, you know, in a birth chart, moon talks about where mommy was when she was um uh carrying this baby and delivering, and the son talks about where dad was in his development. And so your chart says your father, who you are technically more like than your mother, you're you're more genetically your father than your mother, this chart tells me. And it says your character structure is more your father than your mother as well. That moon rising says mom identifies with this birth, mom identifies with this baby, plus you're a female. So, mom at the time in 1972, your mom was really identifying with you, is what this says. That's an important cue and clue about so many things with that moon all by itself. It's a highlight in your chart. So, mom's identification with her giving birth to this baby in this year of her life in 1972, and the baby being a girl. That's one important piece. But this chart tells me, genetically and otherwise, you know, even characterological,

Dad’s Absence And Family Strain

SPEAKER_03 16:40

soul level, I mean, there's a lot of your father in you to a huge degree on his side of the family. The moon rising says, for most moon rising people, that if I'd asked you when you were little, are you more like your mom or dad, you would have thought, oh like my mom. But in point of fact, you're definitely much more like your father in so many ways, I would think. I don't know if that resonates for you.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

It really doesn't. But you know, the thing is, is I don't I don't really know him that well. I mean, we have like I was never close even when he lives at home. So I might be, I just might not know it.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

Well, you know, in in Astrospeak to have Neptune with the sun oftentimes means dad is there but not there, or unavailable, or was away. Maybe, you know, we discussed it pre-show, folks. I said, well, Neptune's son, you know, typically it's literal. Neptune is oceanic. And very commonly we find, oh, dad was an oceanographer, or dad was in the navy, and I think you said.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

He was in the navy, but when I think he was in for like before he got married, but he was a state trooper. So he was, you know, they used to be shift work, so he was always kind of in and out. And when he was home, he was sleeping and we had to be quiet.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

Something else, folks, that Shannon's chart has is that Mars at um almost two degrees of Scorpio and the Sun at 26 Scorpio. Ergo, uh the Mars is 24 degrees away from the sun. You know, I did a show a couple of shows back uh in my other podcast, Astrology of Family Karma, uh, where um the guest had a whole series of brothers and family members and stepfather that had son uh not exactly conjoined Mars, but about 20 degrees or 24 degrees away. They were all in the military, they were all uh troopers, state troopers, New York City cops. Um so I find not only you know sort of standard is Mars conjunct sun that you know dad is martial in some way, or in military, or trooper, or a cop. Um, but you know, that sun actually a little further away. Most astrologers say, no, no, that sun is too far from that Mars. And I say, no, it's actually right in the ballpark. You know, that that semi-sextile or even less uh Mars to Sun is very common with people who are martial. So it says, you yourself are have a bit of martial in you as well, Shannon. And you're the athletics or strength of character, there's a martial side of you as well that you would get from your father genetically and characterologically. The Neptune, though, does talk about something about dad being absent or unavailable. And you said as a trooper, he was, you know, he was on shift all times of day and night and not always available. So Neptune talks about things that are unclear or oceanic or spiritual or energetic or psychic. It certainly talks about the psyche of your father and the psyche of your mother, the psyche of your father and psyche of your mother being really a key piece. Uh, that seventh house in astrology, of course, is the house of marriage and partnership. So whenever I see a seventh house or a sunset baby chart, I always think of Barack Obama, sunset baby. This is somebody whose incarnation, in this case in 1972, when you were born, tells me that your mom and dad unconsciously placed a powerful theme about this baby, this birth. It was it was somehow important about the state of their marriage. It doesn't necessarily say one way or the other, it just describes the marriage as in a highlight state of change in shape-shifting. But back to what you said uh with the military and you know, with with service initially, you were in services and food services and and uh, I guess restaurant services and hotel services, those things. The moon rising, folks. The moon um talks about mommy and mothering or nurturing careers. And it's very common for a person to be a foodie or a chef or a cook or work in hotel uh industries, you know, service industries. Very, very, very common to the point of almost this chart, although the 12th house moon and sixth house bundle of Mars, Venus, Uranus, Pluto, um, this is kind of medical. These are like the medical sections of a chart. So this is a person who might either do do food and service or hotel service, and equally a person who might work in you know group homes or work for elders or work for you know special needs people. This is a person who serves, emotionally serves. And your chart says you would get that from your mother, particularly. The business from your father and the service from your mother, even though, of course, as a as a trooper, your father is of service, no doubt, and military in service. But um, it says of your father that he was a very, you know, Mars son, he's a very powerful figure. And I'm gonna say, I guess you're gonna say powerful and with Neptune tough to read. So I wonder, since it's your chart, as it is for all of us, our chart, describing what we experienced that molds us. So when I say your father's powerful but tough to read, would would you identify that that might be true for for you? And sometimes there's a quiet uh quality of withholding or private.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Yeah, I definitely think the power came from his job as a state trooper. Um and and definitely. Definitely hard to read, like not really expressing emotions, didn't know. Um and it's interesting because I only have like a few, I was thinking about this as leading up to the podcast about because I knew you would ask about like state of the family. And I have a very few specific memories of him being at home. I mean, my parents got separated when I was in sixth grade, didn't get divorced until I was in 12th grade. So there was six years of that. Um, but even when he was home when he was little, I can barely remember very specific times that that he was home. I'm sure he was home more than that, but it's interesting because I don't remember more than that.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

So there was a six-year period, you know, and again, as I said, when we go back to your chart in astrology 101, you know, sort of like fundamental astrology speak, um, having a sunset chart, so the sun in the seventh house or the sixth house, I call it sunset charts, um, always call always focus that there's a there's a focused highlight on marriage. Not only your marriages, but your parents' marriage and the state of their marriage. It's very common that this person, think of Barack Obama, whose son is born in his case just below the horizon. You know, his father was essentially not present. So for Barack, it was he and his mother together, you know, as can often happen for a single mom with a child, um, you know, kind of mom and mom and child, especially if it's a male child, might bond in some way, you know, with with regard to the world. That's Barack's chart. And your chart has a similar signature about the marriage being really significant, particularly with Venus Mars, right there at the marriage angle in Shannon's chart, Mars and Venus just below the western horizon line. So again, it highlights that the a marital theme is is really uh a predominant one. For your father, it says that Neptune, a person who doesn't share or who's visible uh or or you know there but not there, or not visible or absent. You know, that's why excuse me, when when there's a Neptune Sun uh arrangement in a chart, conjunction certainly, or square or opposition, um, dad might have been in the like the navy, he may have maybe been off to sea. So he's he's he's there as a father, he's married, but he's not there. Well, you just told us something significant that when your parents separated, it was six years before an actual divorce. So kind of I'm gonna think with that Neptune, like a there but not there, never never land sort of state. And so I wonder if, you know, when I say sort of never never land, like there's kind of this unclarity.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Right.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Was that something that in any way you were mindful of or aware of, that unclarity, kind of unsurety?

SPEAKER_00 24:45

I wouldn't say unclarity. It was just there was a lot of negativity, like they, you know, there was a straining order involved. There was there was a lot. So, and it was I was the tried to be the peacemaker in between everybody, and I had an older brother who's um he's like two and a half years older than me. So I always tried to keep peace between him and the parents, and then like, you know, so I I was in the middle a lot.

SPEAKER_03 25:09

So I'm gonna presume that maybe you were more with mom at home.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

So, you know, here is an interesting that Venus Mars in your chart. You know, Mars, the principle of masculinity or or active, you know, will directed will. It's like you know, the circle of spirit for the sun with an arrow. Directed will is Mars. And Venus is the reverse of that. You know, they're really truly reverse symbols, you know, in a chart, as I'll show in a second. Venus and Mars, you know, I always say with Venus, you've got the circle of spirit, like the sun or the moon, the circle of spirit um resting on the cross of matter. That's the Judeo-Christian symbol, uh, the glyphs of the planets that astronomers use too. So it implies that with Venus, what you feel and your affections and connections um guide what you ground in Earth. But with Mars, it's the reverse. I always say, like, you know, Alexander, you take this rifle and go shoot that son of a gun. I don't care what you feel about it. That's the martial piece. So to have that Mars very prominent in your chart would generally imply not only that you maybe sort of father, you know, get pick up a lot of vibe from your father, or maybe there's other things, as you said, there could be aggression or or you know, or more than aggression issues in a family system. But I'm gonna also think, since you were there with your mom, that there's a an interplay, you know, kind of like you see the opposition of moon to Mars, Venus. That there's kind of a balancing act where I think your mother unconsciously might have placed you in a in a spousal role. I mean, you're clearly her beautiful daughter, but she might have also uh uh relied upon you for Mars for action or doing or function. And I wonder if that resonates for you.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Yeah, I I felt like I was like during those six years that I was treated more as an adult than just letting me be a child, you know, like some of the stuff that emotionally that she shared like wasn't appropriate to share with, you know, someone in elementary school.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

So definitely that registers but I wonder too if you if you played, you know, not only the role of the lovely daughter, but the strong, powerful son. Because that's what that's how I look at that Venus Mars together. It's almost like there's something in the in the fixings of the family dynamic that have a person play, you know, both roles, both gender roles.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Right.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

So I wonder if when I when I say, you know, mom addressing you as the can-do capable daughter.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Right. And that was kind of a a a theme, like that whole, you know, like me being independent. Like I that's what I was praised for was like independence. And she used to tell the story, I think she probably would still tell it today, is like I think I was two, and she has a picture of it, and she'll whip it out. And I wanted strawberries. My dad had the strawberry patch, like we were in the country, and he had a garden, and she said, Give me a minute, and I didn't want to wait, so I got the bowl and I went up the hill myself and got it. And that's what I was always praised for. It was like, oh, she gets stuff done if she wants to do it, and it's independent. And that that serves me until it doesn't, you know, until you're just like you're so used to doing everything by yourself, you don't let some people in sometimes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:27

Right. And so I I would, you know, I would look at this chart from uh, I mean, this is almost um kind of fitting, you know, with with my other themed podcast, Astrology of Family Karma, which you know we basically all have, you know. We all have a family of origin and it has a dialogue and a storyline. Um, so here again, this chart being very you know relationship-oriented, marriage-oriented, I always think of it as being whether mom and dad know it or not, mom and dad having an unconscious projection about this baby. It could even have been you know, dad projecting initially, she's my girl, she's my daughter. She's a chip off the yellow, she looks like me, she's my she's my kid, and mom's saying, no, no, she's she's me. She's she's my little girl. She's joint, she knows how I feel. Um I I do think this piece of you being martial is really important in this chart. It it suggests that even that you might be martial in partnership more than you realize. But you're just you just really said to us that you know there's there is some kind of uh transference, uh exchange with mom, maybe a projection. I like I would I would say, your chart tells me your father, oh God knows, he was in the Navy and he was a trooper, you know, there's a martial quality to your father, which one would gather could be you know a powerful can do. But that Venus Mars, I'm gonna think your dad was probably a very sexy, powerful kind of a guy, or he would be would be perceived as that by her. And one reason mom moon, opposite that, would feel a balanced attraction, you know, kind of you know, opposite ends of the attraction, if you will, opposite attract, is that he seems very sexy, can do, powerful, and that's what she's thinking she needs and what she's seeks. So that's why I'm saying I think she unconsciously projected onto her lovely little daughter that you're also powerful, like a son could be. So I you know, I I realize you were grabbing strawberries at two years of age and running up the hill with a with a little bucket all on your own. Gosh, two years of age is nothing. 24 months old. So you are a little powerhouse. Um, but of course, too, I think mom you know needed that. This figures very powerfully into relationships in general, you know. So um I just wanted to also come back to other another theme, which is that Neptune tuning in. I think that you were in those six those six years, certainly, you know, tuning in, tuning in, tuning in to what's happening in this family system, tuning in, which uh even the even the term tuning, I think, is gonna be one that we're gonna we're gonna revisit here with this guest, folks. So so you you were there in Alaska for for how long, roughly?

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Um it was a it was a three-year contract. So the the contract was that I would go train, get trained for three years, and then I was guaranteed a job. And um, and then I realized kind of toward the end of my three years, I'm like, wait a second, the job they're gonna put me in is the job that nobody else wants, right? I'm gonna end up like in Oklahoma or somewhere. No offense to anyone in Oklahoma, but somewhere where I I wasn't choosing to go.

SPEAKER_03 31:33

So um Well, you were you were already you know middle, middle kind of farm states, and you'd already expressed that you know, when you were growing up in that, you you were looking for something different.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Right.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

So no offense to Oklahoma, it's just that you can't go surfing in Oklahoma, let's say.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Right. So um I started looking at other jobs that were available, like the time when I was going to end like my three years. And the Air Force, you know, they had um it's called the Pacific region in Alaska,

Guam Adventures And Oceanic Neptune

SPEAKER_00 32:00

it was in the same region as Hawaii in Guam. And I was the assistant lodging manager in in Alaska. So the lodging manager job opened up in Guam. The guy had retired, and I thought, well, I'll I'll go there. I'm tired of the cold. And I I had no idea. Like I knew, I thought it was a little bit past Hawaii. I did not know it was eight hours past Hawaii. Um, I got on the plane to go to, and I was in Hawaii. I did training, and then I was flying to Guam, and you know how they say the flight time is, and they said eight hours, and I was like, I'm on the wrong plane because I'm only supposed to be going like an hour. So I had no idea. I just said, I'll take it. I'll go there. So that's how I ended up in Guam. I just wanted a more change. I didn't know anything about it. I just went.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

Well, some would say with an Aries moon that that's a very Aries martial Mars rules Aries, a very martial kind of, you know, spontaneous, fiery, independent, and uh risk-taking kind of uh thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Yeah. And it it's interesting because like I wouldn't say I was a risk taker, but when I got offered that, like the job, like and I knew it was like I'm going to Alaska. And I didn't question it. I wasn't scared, I wasn't nervous, and like at college, people were placing like the professors were placing bets on how long I was gonna stay. And I knew I was staying for the whole time. Like that wasn't an issue with me. And then yeah, and then Guam was like, I didn't have to think about it. I was just like, Yeah, I'll go there. That's what I want to do.

SPEAKER_03 33:29

They were placing bets.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

As to how long you'd stay. Wow. That's funny. So, so here are folks, uh, for those who are listening, we have a couple of pictures of um Alaska and the halibut, and then here up on the screen now, we have you um doing two things that are very Neptunian themselves since you have that Neptune-Sun conjunction. One, you're skydiving, uh, which I which wasn't in Guam, I believe you'll tell us. And the other is you are diving, which was in Guam. You were you were in a scuba diving uh gig here, which looks really awesome. So tell us about these pictures a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

So the the skydiving picture that was during my time on Guam, and I had use or lose to lead to use. So I decided I was gonna go to Australia. And that was the first time I ever like took myself on vacation. And I went for a week, and because the planner part of me, so I like when horseback riding, I went skydiving, I went scuba diving two days on the Great Barrier Reef. I had and I even scheduled like a day of rest. So that was um and I I didn't I never said, Hey, I want to skydive, but I was pulling out the brochures and I was like, this looks good, but yeah, and I was I was scared to death until we got up in the plane and then it was it was all good. Wow, and no, so this yeah, then the scuba diving, that was just kind of there wasn't really a whole lot to do on Guam. It was 12 miles long, and I think two or three miles is the widest part of it. So, and I was single, you know, didn't have kids, and it's kind of hard in the military because the age that I was, so I'll just say I was I would have been like 25. Like everybody's married, like all the officers are married, they have kids. So I was kind of this anomaly that I was like in my mid-20s, I wasn't married, didn't have kids. So I just, you know, did this the certification for scuba diving. That was what we did on weekends.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Well, I'm I'm gonna guess that there are at least a few people out there listening and watching who are gonna say, um, that's pretty athletic. You know, that's that's definitely not a wallflower. I mean, you're skydiving jumping out of a plane and you're scuba diving, which is really, you know, uh definitely athletic and definitely adventuresome, uh, certainly Neptune Sun conjunction, Neptune Oceanic, and that Mars, that Mars angular, you know. A lot of people, astrology-wise, think that Mars rising, like Donald Trump, talks about a martial person, but Mars setting is also martial. It's a person who's usually athletic uh and or who is martial in nature. You know, something about, again, you know, not only your nature, but maybe family nature as well, or father in this case, that martial piece. But that's certainly adventuresome, you know. I mean, I know you you probably weren't making a career of skydiving or a scuba, but something tells me those are those are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of um adventuresomeness to your life.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

Yeah, it's funny because I would not say I'm athletic, um, but I like to do stuff outside. Like I like to be active, but I wouldn't say I'm athletic. And I like to be like if I have to choose between being inside or outside, I'd always choose outside.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

Interesting. Yeah. So um I I would see that Mars being angular when it's either when Mars is either rising or setting or culminating or anti-culminating in a chart, it almost always marks action, an action-oriented person. So, and it's usually athletic as well. But certainly, I think if I say action-oriented, right, um that that will be something that you do relate to, you know, the the the the the action, the doing. You're you're a doer. I mean, you said you're a planner.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Right, yes.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

That that, by the way, folks, that Saturn is septile. So you've got a couple of interesting other things in this chart. Moon septile, it's 50 degrees in 26 minutes, almost 51 degrees. Moon septile, Saturn. Saturn is patriarchy and father. Moon is mommy. So here, although they're not anywhere conjoined, whoops, um, they are aligned here in this um eastern part of the chart, moon rising and saturn rising. That means mom plays a father-mother role both. It also means that you might play a father-mother role both if you have kids of your own, that you play a powerful role of the nurturing mom and the solid Saturn 9 is a proper word. Strong, Saturn, a strong quality about you. Uh, and you know, again, that Mars-Venus, the blend of the feminine and masculine, you know, like the can do, as I said when we were prepping, you know, it you're both like the feminine singer, dancer, but then the Mars, give me that damn chainsaw. I have no problem. You know, if something's gotta be done, I'll take the chainsaw and figure it out. That that again is you know really athletic. I mean, it's not it's not like you know, you're uh only a Neptune Sun dreamer, although I know you are a Neptune Sun dreamer in there. The dreamer is in you. This is an action-oriented uh uh dreamer envisioner, you know, Neptune's dreaming, but also envisionment very commonly. So tell us then, you went from uh, I mean, how many years? It sounds like Alaska and this military, it must have been at least a decade or so or 15 years. How many, how much did you want to do that?

SPEAKER_00 38:40

I only worked for the Air Force, and I was a civilian, I was not active duty. Um it to it was a total of like eight and a half years. And then on Guam, I met my ex-husband there. And then we and I was kind of done with my job. Like I was done with Guam, I was done with my job,

Marriage Patterns And Narcissism Themes

SPEAKER_00 39:00

and um he he okay, just made the connection. He was in the Navy, not when I met him, he had gotten out, and he had been in Charleston with the base closed, and he said I always want to go back there. So a job opened up, and then we we came back here, and that was 2002, I think. It's been a while, been a bit. Um, yeah, so there's there's been a there's a big gap in there. And then I had my first son in 2004, my second son in 2006, and then I homeschooled both of them from the whole their whole career kindergarten through graduating high school. So that was, you know, two decades there.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

Wow. Wow. Yeah. So interesting. You one thing you shared, um, which is the case for all of us, you know, how there, I mean, I believe in my work, and I've seen it time and again, I think there is a kind of a connect the dots thing to our birth charts. You know, so Neptune, I always say in a birth chart, um, sort of describes where there is um denial or obfuscation or unclarity, and where there is anything that where there was any kind of, if there was any kind of denial or obfuscation or unclarity in a family system, most of us are trying to make sense of that. It's kind of like, who was that masked man? You know, what was that situation? What the hell was happening? Who was he? Who was dad? And and then also implies that dad might have had a life uh uh of his own that was outside the parameters of the of the marriage. So, you know, that happens for a lot of people who have a career, that they've got whatever they're doing in their career world might be just other things or different. Um, but here that Neptune Sun conjunction does imply kind of unclarity of of who dad is, opposing Saturn patriarchy. Uh that Saturn uh opposing that sun and Neptune and Black Moon. No, I didn't mention the black moon yet, but here it is. So the black moon, um, that's a mathematical point. It's actually actually the the abscise of the moon. The moon in its orbit around the earth always has a sort of most distant point. And so that black moon is a mathematical point, describes kind of the most distant point of the moon. The moon describes uh id in psychological terms, or plexus or gut, or feeling state. The black moon, they say, like black moon Lilith, they call it, um, deals with themes that are um hidden or not easily seen or known. So again, we have another factor here with Sun Daddy of you know hidden themes that are not really known. Well, he certainly can't talk about his work as a state trooper. He can't discuss individual people or cases or, you know, and it's very common with you know, troopers and firemen, right? That they they have a whole brethren ship, but they don't really share kind of the inner work, especially policemen. So again, there's an element of what is not really known. The Neptune Son talked about your father being in the Navy. The Neptune Sun in the house of marriage said your husband was in at one point in his life in the Navy. And I'm going to guess too, your birth chart says both seventh house of marriage, meaning your father and mother's marriage, and seventh house of marriage, implying anyone that you're attracted to or drawn to. You know, usually we have uh familiar archetypes of everything. You know, I always say to my clients, um, you know, how we cough, how we sneeze, how we laugh. You know, we take it for granted, all of us folks, don't we? But it is familiar. We typically have a laugh that sounds like one of our siblings or our parents, or our the way we cough, the way we sneeze, et cetera. You know, these these automatic, autonomic qualities are familiar. And so there's a quality almost always that our birth chart describes. The potential is that you know we're we're kind of um patterned, and and of course there is uh genetics. Our birth chart describes genetics, and our birth chart also describes habituations. And so um, if there's anything that is in a family system, maybe let's say family gets together every Sunday for a big family gathering of cousins, this becomes a habituated sort of familiar, it's familiar. It's what one does with family, isn't it? Or if mom and dad are not really around each other, there's again another theme of being married or together, but not really interacting successfully. We're always trying to make sense of what the hell was that? You know, we most all of us are trying to navigate. Uh what mom and dad were navigating, the child and the, you know, obviously the dog, the cat, and the little kid are is absorbing whatever's happening. This is a universal theme. It's why I launched my first podcast, Astrology of Family Karma, because our our characters can only not, you know, how could they not be shared, uh rather formed, shaped by uh genetics and family patterning and the emotional vibe of a family system. So I see this pattern with Neptune being so prominent. Especially is things that were either not said, withheld, uh held in abeyance, uh, covertness, covered, or like uh question marks, things that that have a sort of a psychic energy that needs investigation. What was that? And it leads a person to having an investigatorial quality. They say many many Scorpios are the sign of the investigator. Well, because Scorpios come in when the sun starts setting, you know, earlier and earlier and earlier. We start to have longer nights and shorter days. It's really about the inner world, the inner realm. You could say Scorpios like you know, Halloween or hibernation for bears. It's the inner psyche, the inner realm. A Scorpio signature in a chart describes things that are hidden in some way by somebody. Well, here your chart says definitely dad, hidden qualities with men andor father. So it's going to be habituated, familiar to find a man who's powerful, quiet, or internal, or mil andor martial military. Probably your husband was a really good-looking guy, like really like kind of stunning or very charming, super charming, sexy with that Mars-Venus conjunction on the cusp of marriage in your birth chart. I would conclude that you'd be drawn to relationship partners who are really like something else. You know, you're drawn to somebody who is, you know, kind of adventuresome, kind of, you know, powerful, kind of fiery. And I'm wondering if you would address that briefly.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

Yeah, my ex-husband definitely had a big, still does, has a big personality. And it was just like he was like life party, and it was just, yeah, so that was.

SPEAKER_03 45:34

And he comes that that son in the seventh house of marriage on your chart, if it describes, and it usually describes the first spouse, especially the seventh house. It says he comes from a large family or a family of people who've got large personalities, like like big, charming personalities. There's another piece, too, to that chart, and that is uh developmentally, that there might be something on uh a spouse. Let me go back to the chart here. There we go. A first spouse might not only be Mars, Venus, conjunct, that cusp of marriage, sexy, but also he might be um there's a quality of self self-focus here, of selfish self-focus or maybe narcissism. There's narcissism in his family of origin. The Pluto near the sun says of your father, that his mother or mother matriarchal figures molded your father, and matriarchal figures molded your husband as well. I want to ask if you're if you can confirm or talk about that.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Um yeah, so my my grandmother, like we used to, like my I never knew my mom's parents because they were gone before I was born. So we would go visit my dad's parents, and um they were they were really like I it we I didn't have the typical like grandma gives you big hugs. I mean, they were both well, they were the whole family was reserved and some would say cold and did not express emotions a lot at all.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Pluto there, with Pluto and Mars, they're dominating or controlling signatures in that family.

SPEAKER_00 47:08

Right.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

Even cruelty.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

Now that I'm older, I can see how that gets past.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

You know, even the keyword cruel cruelty. There's a is that so Mars and Pluto, uh, near that sun and that marriage angle says there can be an explosiveness, perhaps, to a first partner. And I'm gonna guess as a trooper, mean that there might have been that quality.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

Right. And my ex-husband, as far as like his mom, like I would definitely say she was she was a narcissist, yes. And that of course that affects you know the kids that get raised by a narcissist. Yeah. And I'll just leave it at that.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Well, also, too, that if if she had some if if she came from some narcissistic um family pattern excuse me, family patterning herself, she might place her son in a role uh where he is kind of joined with her. There's like a there's like a Freudian kind of uh, you know, um there's a term I'm looking for, but yeah, there's that that Freudian quality of uh not only being mommy's little boy, but she's absorbing him in in a in a controlling in or manipulative way in the marriage. So there's control power themes around uh sexuality, around role, around male-female roles that he grew up with, and sounds like you would say yes, that was now again, you know, in your birth chart, since it's in your seventh house and your son is there, I think there's something, it it says there's something of this fabric in your father's family history as well, matriarchal. There's some of these themes. So that's so if he if he carried himself in a secretive, powerful kind of a way, that might have been familiar to you. Well, again, this is uh Shannon's chart we're looking at. So about your chart, then there are themes of finding balance with relationship, finding balance, moon opposing, finding balance of self, finding balance of action, finding balance of the needs of self and others, and finding a balance with your tuning in. There's a lot of focus here of tuning in, tuning in, tuning in to people around you and your family. And even certainly when your mom and dad were separated but not divorced, tuning in. It's a big theme. So that time in uh services and um it was sort of like uh uh uh your your time in the military, you're working with the Navy, you did what exactly, if you could share in brief, what was it?

SPEAKER_00 49:41

So yeah, I I work for the Air Force. So Air Force, pardon me. And because of my degree was in hotel restaurant management, and I leaned more towards hotels than food service. I mean, I'd worked in food service in college, but it wasn't really my thing. I I really like the hotel version of it. So, you know, all the military bases, they all have, they call it building or lodging, but it's like a hotel where the air crews come and stay, or people aren't exercising or on moving in or out. So in Alaska, I was like the assistant lodging manager. And then when I went to Guam, I was hired as the lodging manager, and then there was like this whole change in like the pay system, and then I got moved over to um unaccompanied housing, which was basically the door manager on Guam, which was um so drinking age was 18 and alcohol was cheap on base. So you have people who've never been away from home and they're 18 and they have money that they never had before, and they can drink. So it was just basically like trying to manage a big frat party. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:46

So that um frat party career uh that you were struggling to manage, and again, I want to say uh chart-wise, that you were struggling to be sort of house mother, you know, kind of like dorm mother, something is kind of a moon rising that's so powerful in this chart as almost a singleton itself, the moon Saturn, a mothering uh Saturnine, a fatherly mother, a fathering mothering, a mothering fatherly quality here, yeah, that you were doing in that um position. That apparently morphed into this. So tell us a little bit about your career now and uh and your practices, still water, still water healing, biofield anatomy. Tell us a little bit about it.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

There was a big jump. I mean, we have like two

From Agnostic To Reiki Training

SPEAKER_00 51:30

decades of time in there, like when I had kids and then homeschooled them. And and if you would have told me 10 years ago that I would be doing the work that I'm doing now, I would have told you you were crazy with a capital C because I was like black or white. It was either this or this. There was no gray, there was no in the middle, if science didn't prove it, you know. And I used to identify I didn't grow up in a religious household. My parents were both Catholics. My mom, and they both weren't practicing. And I was confused because um we were like my dad's second family, so he wasn't allowed to go to the Catholic Church because he had been divorced. So that was always kind of confusing to me. So I was never, I was not religious. I wouldn't have called myself spiritual. There wasn't anybody spiritual that I knew growing up. It was you were either religious or you weren't. So I used to identify as agnostic. And then when I moved to South down South, this was 20 some years ago, when you know, the first question would be not what's your name is what church do you go to? So I used to just tell people I was an atheist, so they'd leave me alone because I thought agnostic, they'd think, oh, we got some wiggle room, and I'd be like, I'm an atheist, and then they wouldn't, um, even though I I felt there was something bigger than myself, but I didn't, I didn't want to go to the religious route. And then um I think it was 2018. Um, like I think it was 2018, I'm not sure, but it I did the the point, like I knew my marriage was over. Um, and somehow I ended up in a Reiki class. I didn't even know what a chakra was. I think it was just like the whole weekend. It was like eight hours on Saturday and eight hours on Sunday, and I needed to get out of the house. So I ended up in this Reiki class and got certified for like level one and level two, and eventually I did level three. Um, so that was kind of the opening of the door about like this subtle energy, and we have energy, you know, centers. And um and and when I did Reiki and received Reiki, I I felt some stuff, but I still, I guess I didn't really believe it. And then I'm a book nerd, and you know, when you read one nonfiction book, they mention another book, and then you know, it's an addiction. And someone had mentioned tuning forks, and I went online to buy this a book, and Amazon says those people who bought this book bought this book. And it's the book you had up on the screen earlier, is Eileen McCusick's book, Tuning the Human Biofield. And I read it, and it's interesting that book was based off of her thesis thesis for her master's, so it was more science-based. So it it where I was, you know, eight, nine years ago, it totally resonated with me because she explained it with science. Like the biofield is a name for your aura. Like our bodies are electric. Whenever you have electricity, you have a magnetic field. So the human biofield is the National Institutes of Health term for you know, your energy field. So I start I went to do that training, and that that really kind of opened, opened the door to so much. And like, like my personal journey as far as and then like now I would say I'm not religious, but I'm definitely, definitely spiritual. And I that was not me, you know, eight, ten years ago.

SPEAKER_03 54:42

So that um study of biofield anatomy, you can tell us a little bit more, but I I we have a couple other wonderful pictures here. So tell us a little bit about uh this chapter uh in your in your work with with biofield uh and and what that entails. So here we have a picture of of of you in sort of on a horse, a horse looks like a horse ranch with equines and horses. Um yeah, what what is this about?

SPEAKER_00 55:10

So that was um like three so I've I was I've been doing biofield

Biofield Tuning And The Listening Field

SPEAKER_00 55:15

tuning for like seven years. And you know, they they teach you a certain framework, and when they teach it to you, they don't ask you to stick to the framework, they ask you to be curious. But you know, I was a rule follower, so I stuck to the framework, and I did for many years. And then about I guess it's been three years ago, I got out of a relationship. Like I had been divorced for years, and then I was in another relationship, and that ended, and I was like, it like it broke me. But in hindsight, it was it was good because and it wasn't a bad relationship. I loved that relationship, and I was happy and content, but not growing. And it's almost like the universe was like, Yeah, you're you're too comfortable over there. So during the last three years, like digging deep and just dealing with my own shit has allowed me, like indirectly, to go so much deeper in my work. And then I be I was in a shamanism apprenticeship group. I'm doing like somatic training, it just I went so much deeper in the process of doing my own work. And the both of those pictures are my friend Kim Hallen. She's in um, she lives like 15 minutes here from me in Ravenel. And interestingly enough, I didn't meet her because we live close together. We were in a drum circle in the shamanism group, and I said to her, like, I had a horse growing up. I missed horses, I just miss smelling them. So I said, Hey, I'll I'll come shovel horse shit for you just so I can be around horses. And I said, I don't even need to ride them. And she said, That's good because I don't ride my horses. And then I got to know Kim and she has a small herd of horses. She had four at the time, one had passed, so she has three now, and she uses them for like healing work, but like in her own way, and I'm not even gonna try to explain it. Um, her her farm is called Unbridled. So it started out our relationship as I just went every Friday morning to go pick up horse poop and just like hang out with the horses. And then we were just, and she's curious and open, and we'd bring the tuning forks and we would kind of tune them. And then she's so energetically connected to her herd. I said, I want to tune you in the horse pasture to see how the horses react. And then it kind of snowballed, like for like it probably took a year and a half for this offering that we offer. It's called the listening field. And it it's a beautiful experience because the horses were asking both of us, mainly her, like they wanted to go deeper. They didn't want like the Instagram shots, like, oh, let's just like play with the horses. They were like, I believe that horses are just so much higher consciousness than than we are. And it's like they were asking us to go deeper, and that's how this listening field came about. And it's so we do like a guided journey, like a drumming journey, and the people connect to the spirit of the horse, and like you know, the collective spirit of the horse. And then we go into either, and it's kind of a choice of the client, they can either do a biofield tuning session or they can do a soul retrieval there. And I mean, and then it's just amazing. So, what we do is Kim videos what the horses are doing because we want the person not to be going, oh, what's the horse doing? We want them to be fully present in their experience. And I also don't want to be distracted. So Kim manages the herd, watches what she doesn't manage them, she just in their field, they are free to go in the back, they can participate, they cannot participate. And then we she edits the um the footage from all of her different angles, and then she reviews it and talks about from a herd perspective what's happening. And then I review it, and so I can say, hey, we were working like on your heart chakra when you were a little kid, and then the horses were doing it. And it's just amazing like the parallels and the synchronicities in every single session that we have done has been so different. So we're even we're always cautious how to like let people know because you don't want to say, hey, this happened for this person, because that's their experience. So the best clients come in with zero expectations, which is so hard, right? To come in with zero expectations and say, I'm just open to whatever is gonna happen. So like that, when I when I think about like that relationship ending, like I would never be there. I wouldn't have this life, I wouldn't get to work on horses. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:58

So equine therapy is definitely something that we've heard about, uh, sort of also like you know, swimming with the dolphins in in uh in Hawaii or the Florida Keys or something, that oftentimes with people who've had traumatic events or traumatic disabilities, or like you know, military people in military service who've uh come back with PTSD, that you know, that this um again, this to the tuning in. This is back to your your chart, your birth chart describing with that Neptune Sun conjunction and Mercury, Mercurial tuning in. That your your your nature is to tune in.

unknown 1:00:36

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

You know, that this this career sounds like the perfect extension of of a person whose whose uh childhood might have had, certainly about when mom and dad were struggling together and not really together or ended, tuning in, tuning in, tuning in. I don't know that you necessarily, when you were younger, were aware that you were tuning in. Most of us wouldn't. Yeah, I wasn't. Most of us aren't aware of what our kind of implied role in family is. But each of us have a role. You know, we've we've heard, right, and when we talk about developmental psych, it's somewhere you're born into the you know the family developmental pattern, the first child, the last child, the middle child, you know. There's always kind of a developmental uh theme and role in family systems. But I'm obviously linking this um Neptune sun in your birth chart to that psychic, because Neptune is about psychic energy. In in astrology 101, Neptune is equated to psychic states. When Neptune was discovered in 1846, I believe, Neptune's about expanding the periodic table. Neptune's coincident with its discovery, coincident with understanding gaseous states of chemicals, like we're breathing nitrogen, oxygen. I can't grab it and show the audience, but we know we're breathing it. Neptune's with uh Neptune oceanic, you know, the ocean can look so placid, but underneath there's you know octopus and all kinds of things happening, you know. So Neptune implies like what's not readily known or seen, uh, what's beyond one's immediate senses and all psy phenomenon, psychic clairvoyance, intuition, all those uh perceptual pieces and states that everyone has, um, you know, as a child particularly, but you know, adults as well, tuning in and reading people, you know, like a cop, a policeman reading somebody, stepping into a situation, reading it, getting a vibe, or an attorney reading, or a therapist, you know, reading a couple who sits before them. Not just what they're saying, but the the sense and the vibe and the dynamic between people. That's all Neptunian stuff. And not everybody is Neptunian. Some people are just, you know, you know, like um, you know, they're they're uh builders, they're they're architects, you know, they're functional doers. Um you do have that Saturn in your chart opposite that Sag, so it says there's a practical pragmatist to you, you you talked about. So on the one hand, you're a practical pragmatist, but your essence really is a Neptunian. And Neptune also, they say in astrology 101, is given to states of spirit, you know, be being spiritually aligned, like tuning in. The tuning forks I see here, to tuning in to situations and people. So there's that that Neptune piece of your chart. Neptune sun, spiritual growth, connectivity to the divine, recognizing oneness and all, finding inner truth, the veil lifted, uh, angels' guides, a sense of in of intuitive or spiritual or family connection to those who've passed, trusting intuitive states. You know, there are a lot of factors to to to Neptune, uh, even planetarily, like its great blue spot, that are factors that are there but not there, tough, tough to see. So even we'll get to another another episode about the nature of Neptune astronomically, but it's funny and amazing. I always think, as a backyard astronomer, how the astronomy of things and and and understanding these planets' symbols um coincide with our experience, that Neptune sun, the sun, one's conscious effort, uh, essence of selfhood conjoined to Neptune, tuning in. Your conscious selfhood is about you know tuning in. Also, again, this little page I have up, folks, for those who don't who are listening, not viewing. Um looking at the overall chart gestalt, where we have the moon and Saturn on one side and the big bundle of planets on the other, and it kind of is similar to what's called a seesaw chart gestalt pattern, implying duality, implying duality, cell self and other, the interplay of self and other, or mother versus father, or um my my sense of mom identifying with me and dad identifying with me, each of them in their own unique way. This chart says moon rising, mom identifies, you are me. And Saturn's sun setting says dad identifies with you in a partnering way. He he objectifies you, he sees you as another, someone who makes her their own decisions, where mom is much more about being unified with you. And that talks about tuning in, you know, again, tuning in and sussing out self versus other themes. I mentioned out-of-bounds planets, that you've got that um uh that Mercury that is uh they say out of bounds. And here it is, out of bounds, out of above, above or below, very high in the sky or low in the sky, above the zodiacal uh band, the zodiac, very high or very low, talks about out-of-bounds planets. Here we see in the graph that Mercury is out of bounds, Jupiter almost itself also out of bounds. So she actually has um two planets that are out of bounds, Mercury and Jupiter. It implies that Mercurial mental, that you're gonna be a person who seeks out of bounds adventures or things beyond the norm, or that you see things beyond the norm. That you say things you shouldn't say, or speak things you shouldn't speak, or maybe walk in directions you shouldn't walk. We'll talk about the and Jupiter is um well, Jupiter they call it guru in other astrologies, in Vedic astrology, Hindu, or Tibetan astrology, they call Jupiter Guru. Then they call it a Greco-Roman name, they call it Guru. Jupiter is about um a theme of beyond the norm. It's a philosophical Jupiter symbolizes our connection to spiritual, philosophical, religious. So again, in your chart, you've got that Jupiter, whoops, uh, at the top of your chart in that outer world, the sort of the career world. It says your career might involve Neptune, Sun's spirituality, Jupiter, like being a reverend or being a guru or being a spiritual teacher in some way. And I think um there are a couple things to talk about about this uh this you know planet going out of bounds, but it says you you tend to reach beyond normal boundaries, reach beyond normal bounds. So I wonder

Out Of Bounds Mind And Intuition

SPEAKER_03 1:07:00

if you could tell us about that Mercury, Mercurial process, how you process data intuitively or differently. You you shared a little thing about a circles, a circle, a spirit circle.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

Oh yeah, before we came on, I was I was recently in a group, there was like 30 some people, and it was kind of like an icebreaker, and they said, Okay, everyone start walking in a circle. And I started walking and I look up and I am the only one walking like counterclockwise. And I'm like, that that is totally my and you know, I'm okay with it. Like I think when I was younger, I used to I used to make me feel self-conscious, but it I it doesn't like I totally embrace the like not normal. I had someone tell me, like, I think last year, he was like, You're not normal. And I said, Well, no, he said, if you're weird, and I said, Well, if you mean by weird, not normal, then I'm gonna take that as a compliment. Because if you call me normal, that like that would be an insult, not being weird.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:48

So well, I want to say that you know you you don't you don't run with the herd in in the normal way that you're you're you're tuning into the herd, you're tuning into herd consciousness in a different way, not necessarily you're going in the same direction, but it's you know it's it's internal perception. That's the thing about astrology one-on-one, mercury, mercurial process, you know, linear thinking, one plus one equals two. Neptune is the exact opposite of that. Neptune is tuning into what does it mean? What does it feel like? What color is is is the number two, you know, two plus two equaling four? What's the color of four? You know, uh Neptune's perceptually tuning in. It is sort of kinesthetic. Neptune is kinesthetic, it's kinesthesia. And so when we look at again um your chart, it says this person is highly psychically kinesthetic, that you feel think, you know, that you you you intuit. The moon also in astrology, especially in Vedic astrology, is given not just to mother and feeling and mommy, but it's the mind where Mercury's analytic mind, the moon is their gut uh plexel mind, the intuitive, the intuitive gut mind. So look at this chart, folks. How pretty much I look at it is, you know, this whole chart, except for Saturn, this whole chart is really kind of like bundled together. But that moon with Saturn, the practical Saturn, the moon, the feeling, the gut, that you rise with your moon, you rise with your gut. You you rise with your gut feeling to a high degree. Not everybody does that. People might you know rise literally, they may have Mercury rising, the analytics, or like Donald Trump, Mars rising. He is certainly martial in his delivery and his style, even his color is rather Mars. I mean, Mars is orange in the nighttime sky. Um, so you know, moon rising says you rise emotionally, you step into new situations by strictly by a powerful gut. The moon is fast in motions, moving quickly that night, 15 degrees that whole that night, which is super fast, like you know, so you really immediately tune in. You're like you're emotionally gut tuning into everybody and every and everything. This is a person who's been tuning in her whole life, tuning in to dad, who is unclear, tuning into mom, who is highly uh volatile emotionally, tuning in, tuning in is what the chart um describes to a very great degree. That moon, Venus, pardon me, the Venus, Mars together, each in its own sign of rulership, both in the sign of house and uh the house of healing, and opposite to that moon chiron. So moon chiron, Chiron is the wounded healer. Moon conjunct Chiron says mom had an emotional wound she couldn't heal. It says you're tuning into mom's issues, trying to bring Libra Venus balance to mom, trying to balance her, trying to give support to her, playing that role of the peacemaker, the fixer, the fixer. You are a fixer for your patients. You know, you play the role of tuning into what they're where they are, and tuning into tuning into them. I think you I think you actually tune into tuning in. You're tuning into how can I tune into my patient? How can I tune into what they need, what they feel, what other people have been missing. I think that that is really a key piece of of you. So I wonder, might you address that, this idea that I'm perceiving, feeling of you tuning in with awareness to tuning in. You tuning into the fact that people aren't tuned into, that they need someone who will hear them or feel them.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:20

So it's interesting when I first learned biofield tuning, like I had said earlier, like I was like file the rules, and and then I've I've slowly learned that in order for me to do my best work, and this has really kind of unfolded the past three years, is like I have to get out of my head. Like I used to try to like, well, what does this mean? Or um so for example, when when I first the first part of my training in biofield tuning, they taught us so like if your field is just say six feet out, that's like your birth, like this is like your timeline, it's like a tree. So like six feet out is birth, and then like if you're 40 halfway in your timeline is gonna be 20, and then this is gonna be present day. So they actually used to have us like ask the person how old they were, which was kind of uncomfortable because not everybody wants to share that. And then they had us put post-it notes on the floor, like, okay, well, if they're 40, this is 20, and then this is, and then I would be like looking at the numbers, I'm like, is that 19 or 18? And then finally I was like, I'm I'm in my head, and that is the worst place for me to be doing this work. And then I let it go. And then it was funny when I went for my, you know, certification to become a practitioner, they had dropped that as well. And then when I was able to do it, like an H can just drop in and I'll be like, oh, it's seven. There's no staring at the floor. There's no like, oh, this doesn't, isn't exactly a third of the way in. So yeah. So whenever I catch myself like getting up in my head, like I I gotta get out, I have to get out of there to be able to do this. And and it's interesting because I don't, I don't refer to myself as a healer because I I do believe that like everybody has the capacity. They just need help and they need tools. So like I feel like my role in all of this is create a container where somebody feels safe because you can't heal anything if your nervous system doesn't feel safe. And that's like that's the first step is just being in this container where you feel safe. And some people fall like they get on the bed, they fall asleep. And I think that's great. Like they feel safe with me. And then the mind's mind's offline, and we we can we can get stuff done. So yeah, so that it's been the past three years that I've able to get out of my head. When I was in that shamanic group, like we used to do journeys, and then I would go on these journeys and I'm like, you just made that shit up. Like I like I wouldn't trust it, right? And then I finally got to the point, it's like, but what if I didn't? And then when I finally, like when the universe would kind of like give me these, like, you know, downloads or whatever you want to call them, and and I I acted upon them, they've never been wrong. And it was like the more you accept the gifts from the universe, they'll they'll just keep on giving them to you. And it was interesting when I finally had that, like, oh, like I just need to be open. I had a visual, I don't see movies, like I'm not a channeler, I don't call myself intuitive, but I'll just get a picture of something, like a snapshot. And I had a picture of someone with this pile of presents, like behind them. Like someone keep on giving them presents and you didn't open them. And the person stops, and it's gonna be the way of the universe. Like, if you don't take what the universe is giving you, it's gonna be like, okay, I'm giving you all this stuff and you're not using it. But like if you take each one with gratitude and use it, you'll just keep on getting more.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:38

You know, I often say um along the lines of what you're sharing, that uh everybody's tuning in. I mean, every everybody's reading each other all the time. Right. And we express ourselves with our hairstyles and our makeup and our shoes and our watches and our shirts and our clothing, and we express and we we tune into that as well. But people also tune into the feeling state, the psychic, the psyche of the person. We're reading each other. You get on a plane, you go to sit next to somebody, you're reading that. You're looking at them, reading them, vibing them, and you're interacting before you even sit next to the person. Right. So yeah, you're right, everyone has it. But then again, Shannon, you know, um, everyone has everything, but to different degrees.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:22

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:23

To different degrees.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:24

And we had talked earlier before we went online, and you had mentioned the guru, and I said, and and I think in today's culture, it's different from what you're talking about in my chart. And I'm actually kind of resistant to the idea of a guru because I feel like people, some people, it gives it they're giving their power away to somebody else instead of acknowledging what we have. Like for me, like I I take what resonates with me and then I keep that part and I I can leave the rest. So like if I read a book and I get one piece of information out of it that resonates with me, I'm good. Um so I I feel that same way with with with different religions, whatever. I just I take what I take what resonates and just leave the rest.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:08

So well, so it it you know you that's a great place as we kind of come close to to to uh uh ending for today. But um in your in your chart, I love that you have what Vedic astrology, Tibetan astrology call guru, the planet Jupiter, they call it guru, um, at the top of your chart. It says the outer world might experience you or that you've tuned in into outer world themes about philosophy Jupiter, about gurus. Uh so what it begs the question what is a guru figure? I I believe my understanding might be uh faulted here or faulty, but I believe a guru figure in their own identity of self is supposed to be someone who um demonstrates sort of uh uh a seeking of consciousness. They are not necessarily the guru figure, they are an example of someone who's just working that particular focus, focal point. You could say Saturn is architecture, it symbolizes architecture and focusing on building. That's one focal point that humans can use. We need to reside, reside in a physical space. So Jupiter symbolizes philosophical spiritual. You know, so the a guru figure is someone who symbolizes that, you know, someone who's on a path that we are all, you know, uh, as you said, we're all spirit. It's not that they are the path, they're just a person who symbolizes, you know, doing that particular path. You know, their focus is philosophy, their focus is even in fact the the glyph or symbol for Jupiter is actually when a doctor signs a script, when they sign off on a drug script, they put a little symbol. They don't know it. I never met a doctor yet. They're actually drawing Jupiter's glyph, they're invoking Zeus for healing. And I've never met a doctor yet who says, You're kidding me, I'm invoking Zeus. That's what you're doing. When you write this little script symbol, you're invoking Jupiter, Zeus for healing, the the great, the big the god of all gods who could heal and bring uh enlightenment. You also have another important thing. When the the the north node and south node and anyone anyone's birth chart, they're always opposite. In your chart, the north node is with Jupiter, next to Jupiter, Jupiter 8 degrees Capricorn, the ninth house, North Node 18 Capricorn in the ninth house, Capricorn Midhaven career aspect here. So the North Node is one's dharma. In Western astrology, we call it our dharma. It says your dharma is to seek spiritual, to seek philosophical spiritual teachings, and to also share your teachings, to be a teacher who passes on her enlightenment experiences. And that is what you do. That that is your career. So I want you to, along those lines, tell us a little bit about um how people can contact you, what the work is that you provide.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:57

Um, so yeah, so up on the screen, my my

Remote Sessions, Offerings, And Closing

SPEAKER_00 1:19:00

website is biofield tuning.io. Um, and I I do most most of my work is through individual clients, like a one-on-one. Um, I it is we do people have a hard time with us wrapping their head around, but we most of my clients I do over Zoom. So we we do like a call like that. Um I'm here in my room now, so if I was tuning you, Alexander, and you were three states away, I would act like your hologram's on the table and I would work on it exactly as if you were here in person. I also do um relationship with with couples. Um so you would put two people in a chair. I haven't done this distance, I've only done this in person, like two people with a chair, because you know you're not only dealing with the there's like three fields there. This like person one, person two, and then the field of the relationship. And a lot of time that comes in with what we're bringing into the relationship. Um, another cool thing I've done with the relationships tuning, I've done several of these and they've been really powerful, is someone who is physically present with a loved one that's passed. Um, so you have them sitting in a chair and then you have they bring something like reviving like pictures or things of that person and they put them in the opposite chair. And um, that's that's that's been amazing too. And and in this work, I don't like I'm not here to give you information. Like it, it's like if if like if something information comes in, I'll give that to you, and someone will say, Well, what does that mean? And I'm like, that's not for me to tell you. Like, I'm just bringing that up. I can help you, you know, figure that out, but I'm not here to tell you like what to do, or I'm just bringing it to you. And then because we're all human, right? Like, if if I say, like, puppies, I love puppies. Well, that person might be scared of dogs. So like puppies don't mean the same thing to me as to them. So I just if something comes up, I I I'll I'll give them that information, but I I do not interpret it for them.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:59

So, you know, that that is a powerful um uh healing tool in that you're you're you're opening the door for people to observe self, to heal self, to be aware of their own inner dynamic. And uh by all means, this idea of remote remote healing is kind of there's a there's a theme that some of people have heard, remote viewing. But you know, ultimately you're you're kind of invoking here uh sort of you know quantum physics, Einsteinian ideas, the idea that energy and our energy of consciousness is greater than the material plane only. Um I mean, to place that in a simple functional way for people, grounded way. Uh, whenever um very commonly for a mother, especially, whenever something serious is happening with one of her children, oftentimes a mother can feel it, sense it, know it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:52

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:52

So, you know, that goes beyond the four forces of physics, like that, you know, you've got to be physically present for some kind of healing or interaction to happen. Um, there, you know, the physical plane is one plane. I always say, you know, like a cup, you know, we say it's material and we can break the glass, but it's atoms and electrons. I mean, it's energetic, it's it's energetically alive, it's not it's not really static, it's actually moving. Even people who know about glass, glass seems hard and physical, but it's actually molten, it's actually in motion. It's it's not really physically stable, as let's say iron would be. You know, each each quality of nature is has its own quality. So, you know, I think you what you do uh uh uh in your healing, you work both personally in person, but you also work in the quantum field. Is that a would that be a word that applies here?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:43

Yeah, I mean the the use the the word the term we use is like the ether, like that's the empty space. I mean, like 99.9% of the the universe is that the empty space, and that's that's that's what it what travels through. And you know, there there have been those studies that have proven the power of prayer. Like we can't see prayer, but it's so it's the same thing. And um, and it's interesting because we found like COVID really kind of helped us because there were people that were like, I don't I don't want to do distance, and I get it. Um, but then when they found they would do distance, one, they were in their safe space, they were in their home, they didn't have to get in a car and fight through traffic. And it's kind of like if you have a good acupuncture session, you're all relaxed, and then you have to get in the car and fight traffic. And this way they know their environment. If after the session, sometimes people are relaxed, they'll just take a nap or they'll just journal or they'll meditate or whatever they want to do. But there isn't, I mean, there's there's pros and cons to each, but we've really found benefits.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:41

You parallel you parallel my statements and work exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:45

That I want to say number one, same thing. I practice only, uh, my practices only via Zoom or telephone. The first 30 years was telephone, the last you know, 20 thereabouts have been Zoom. Um, but you know, even that is interesting too, that uh but when doing coaching counseling work or therapeutic counseling work, uh sometimes a telephone session is actually the more powerful or the most powerful because what's happening is the tuning in, that both I and the client are really listening, you know, really listening carefully, particularly if a client's going through something emotional, body, you know, a feeling emotional state. I might have to really, you know, jam the phone receiver to my head, it used to be when you had the typical phone, you know, to really hear what's happening. But I'm I'm really intently listening, intently, intently feeling and tuning in. So the process, the human gift of all of us, tuning in to people and the vibe and what's what's what's happening in the other end of the line, you know, um, that's even sometimes more powerful than being in person. As you just said, I typically will say, my Zoom clients, you know, you're not battling traffic, you're not, you know, getting your clothes right, you're not making sure you have your your your driver's license. You're at home in your in your comfort zone. You're able to really kind of absorb and take in what's happening, and maybe tune into yourself and tune into what's the what's interactively happening. So I I love the fact that you word it that way. I think that's such a powerfully understated um technique. It's it's actually, like I said, I think maybe some of the most powerful therapeutic counseling work I've ever done has been over the phone when the person isn't being seen. They can be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:26

I mean, what's interesting is like he the the people don't have to hear the forks. I mean, the forks sound beautiful, but I I had a client in Colorado and we could not match up our schedules. And then finally I was like, and he and he had like uh he was like uh an ex like an extreme snowboarder. He would like take these guides out. So you you can't be doing energy work on someone doing that, right? So it's like they need to be. So finally I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do this in your sleep. And there for a while, I used to do people in their sleep, and it was fascinating. Like they knew it, they had permission, like they, like this day, I'm gonna do it. And and they would they would wake up. And here's the thing that I did not account for the person sleeping beside them. It would affect the person sleeping beside them. Sometimes, not not not not that things are good or bad, but it would bring up emotions for that person. They would wake up and they would be like, What the hell happened? Or sometimes I had someone that said her husband woke up without anxiety for the first time ever. So when I did people in their sleep, I would say, Do you have a partner in your bed? And they said, Yeah, then I would set my intention that if they were going to receive anything, it was just gonna be gentle and for their highest good. But like that was not something I had planned on. But it was fascinating to just see how the the energy affects everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:44

That that is fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:47

Well, you're as I said when we started, you are indeed an extraordinary person. Uh, you know, who had initially uh an ordinary life. That's that's actually your gift is is extraordinary and so wonderful. So again, uh let's just uh bring back uh that uh slide for people to reach out to you. So if they're looking for work or to have session work with you, Shannon, uh they can go to uh biofield tuning.io.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:16

Mm-hmm. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:17

And again, Shannon Quinn with a Q. Shannon Quinn, uh Biofield Tuning. And I have I did search your website, does come up beautifully really right away. So thank you so much for being here, uh Shannon, and I so appreciate you and your fascinating world. And for other people too, you know, who want to reach out for uh sessions with me as well, by all means you can reach out to uh to me via my uh QR code there, and also find me at astrologyspirit.com. So uh welcome everybody. Um appreciate your your listening and your viewing, and uh hopefully we'll see you again for future episodes. And uh thank you, uh Shannon. I so appreciate your. with us.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:00

Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:02

All right. Blessings. Thank you, folks. Blessings to everyone. Bye-bye.