An Out-Of-Bounds Mars and 'self-actualization' journey!

A birth chart is circle of symbols, profoundly and powerfully revealing one's familial roots and training, and also the great opportunities for an individual lifetime to create their own unique 'Self-actualization' story!

In this episode, we sit down with Day Acheson to astrologically unpack his most incredible life-journey from Engineer, to Geologist, to Eastern & Western Healing Practitioner. A Virgo Sun/Leo cusp, Scorpio Rising and Cancer Moon, Day's birth chart reflects his story of risk, skill and self-reinvention! 

From the start, we keep it astrologically practical: what the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant actually describe, why “seasonal astrology” matters, and how the time of day you’re born can tilt the whole narrative toward an outer-world life or an inner-world one.

Then we get astro-chart and person-specific. 

We review Day's Sun/Regulus conjunction, a powerful top-of-chart emphasis, and the signature that keeps returning like a drumbeat: an Out-Of-Bounds Mars in Capricorn acting as a singleton and focal point for his uber-solar being!

 We unpack what out-of-bounds planets mean, why extremes can show up as bold independence and a relentless precision, and how tension patterns like Day's T-square can push problem solving, growth, and the re-birth of Selfhood. 

Day’s timeline is the bridge: helicopter engineering inventor and control feedback systems specialist, Gulf of Mexico geophysics and seismic data processing geologist, avid technical rock climber & outdoors adventurist, who then experienced a major midlife pivot into healing practices. Utilizing Neuromuscular and Craniosacral Therapies, Acupuncture, Shiatsu and Jin Shin bodywork, performance support, and a Chinese medicine-informed approach to healing, all of Day's professional trainings come together in his most fulfilling life path as professional medical practitioner and healer.

 We traverse Day's inner/outer discoveries of his own 'awakening consciousness', highlighting his philosophical/spiritual inquiries. Day expanded his professional trainings into the fields of physics and physiology, with deepening studies of astronomy, astrology and the cosmic web of life. Day shares a profound moment when looking through a telescope, and realizing the universe is structured in ways ... that our intuition doesn’t expect! 

We pull his journey together with Day's grounded philosophy on bodywork, healing practices, subtle cranial work, and why listening vs. forcing yields not only a profound benefit for his clients, but also for 'a healer and healed' shared experience.

Subscribe share this with a friend who’s in a reinvention journey of their own, and leave a review with this in mind: Can we see our charts as an indicator of destiny, a mirror of how one lives, or perhaps a tool for greater understanding the journey of Self?

To reach Day Acheson for information/appointments:

please visit Day's website at DaytoDayHealing.com

To connect with Alexander for info and appointments visit his website:

www.astrologyspirit.com

Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to another episode of Astrology Off the Charts. Cosmic Insights and the Extraordinary Lives of Ordinary People. Another very extraordinary person. Our guest today is Dave Acheson. So thank you so much, Dave, for joining us. I'm so pleased that you're here to share your life story.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Thank you. It's wonderful to be here. I think you're an amazing man and you've done amazing things for me. And the fact that I can come on and do something for you, it um I'm happy to be here.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Well, thank you. Yeah, I mean I I thank you for that, of course. I do. I I also hope that that this is um not only something you know for for Alexander's um you know career and podcasting efforts and so forth, but that it's helpful for you and also helpful for you know us fellow students of astrology. I I will, if it's okay, um Day, I'm gonna share with the audience that um you're also uh a fellow student of astrology. I mean, we're all students of this art form. It's like so many art forms, art forms that Dave also does in many other ways. It's you know, it's a life, it's a multi-life student effort.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

It it takes a lifetime to uh figure it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

At least one.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

That's right. Touche.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Multiple. So yeah, and so Day is a terrific uh guest and foil for me in so many ways. Um so next slide here. So here's Day's chart. Now keep in mind, Day, that you know, there

Sun Moon Rising Explained Simply

SPEAKER_00 1:25

will be people who are viewing, and then there will be people who are just listening, driving, and what have you in their cars. So I'm gonna give out your data here. Uh Day is a Virgo, a zero-degree Virgo. Uh he's uh August 24 of 1954 at 1216 in the afternoon in Greenwich, Connecticut. So this chart yields for Day a zero-degree Virgo sun, almost one degree. Uh so it's right in the cusp of Leo. We'll talk about that. It gives him a Scorpio rising at 11 degrees and a moon in Cancer. You know, the big three with astrology is you know, the sun sign, one's motivating life principle, you know, like the season sign you're born into, and the moon sign, we can say one's emotional wiring or one's gut plexal wiring, and the ascendant. Carl Jung called the ascendant, the rising ascending sign in any chart, how we rise or present, it is really, of course, astronomically the case, what's rising. And so it describes Jung called the persona, persona. So let's get into a little bit of the basics again for people who are not necessarily astrolingo um, you know, fluid. You know, when we talk about a sun sign, folks, we are talking about a season sign. Very few astrologers would word it that way, but I I think that's we gotta get astronomical here a little bit. People who know me know that I'm an avid backyard astronomer as well. And so what is this chart? What is any chart? What is day's chart? August 24. It is that turning point day for Day's birth when Day was coming out of his mom's body. It was when the sun begins to transit in front of that next sign, Virgo. So it's right, he's he's a cusp baby born right on that cusp, right on that turning point day. And so we see uh in Leo here, those summertime signs of cancer, Leo Virgo. Leo de Virgo is that turning point, sort of the last third of summertime. I I always think of uh Leo Virgo as being uh Indian summer, you know. So above the equator here we're talking, folks, tropical astrology, Indian summer. So day is definitely like the earliest form of Indian summer. He's both a fiery Leo and the you know uh the Virgo in energy, which is uh vacation is over and back to school, back to work. Ruled by Mercury, it's Mercurial. You know, the the two signs that border summertime are Mercurial ruled Virgo and Mercurial ruled Gemini. So we're exiting work with Gemini and and back to work with Virgo.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Uh so and while you're here, I'll just save my life. So I'm born in uh the end of uh August, which is like the end of summer. Uh so there's this scene that happens every year at school, you know, kindergarten, first, second, third, and the summer's great because you're looking for it, and there it is, and you're out, you splash, and you're in the summer, but then it's gonna end it sometime, and school's gonna start again. So my birthday, unfortunately, in my psyche, would like put me a downer. School's gonna start next week. Oh no. So there's this love I have of August. I don't ever want August to end. It's like been my whole life been around that. So therefore, back to you.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

I I love that. Well, that it that's so potent. Um simultaneously, we're gonna look at you know at Day's chart again, and and there are certain precepts that astrology one-on-one would hold. Let me go back to Day's chart here. This big pattern, folks, at the top of day's chart. You know, again, he's born, you know, basically a noontime baby. You know, uh, we have the the zodiac offset slightly because of the time of day and the season, you know, axial, you could sort of think axial tilt of the earth has the zodiac at different times of the day slightly uh uh uh oblique to the horizon line. But anyway, this is a newtime baby. And so, you know, people who've got uh planets at the top of the chart are outer world people. So one of the key things about this chart is that big, wonderful tenth house career, ninth house eternal student. So it's funny you should say, Day, that you know, every birthday for you when you're a kid, it's like, oh man, summer is ending, the Leo time is you know, the the fire, the time of fire and freedom is going soon, and I'm back to school, Virgo, back to school, back to work. I always say Virgo marks that time in late August when your boss doesn't care if you had a margarita blowout last night and you had fun. Your boss wants you on the job at you know at that time to start. That's the Virgo, that's the you know, the the anvil of Mercury. It's like, hey, you know, be here now, you know, not elsewhere. That's a big theme. So that's one key thing to think about. That season sign that anyone's born under. We can ask the viewers and listeners what season sign and where in that you know four season experience, where you burn born, you know, what part of that season sign did you enter uh mom and dad's family system when you were born? That's a key fundamental thing to astrology. It's what astrology is about. The other key thing is that time of day, you know, that mom was carrying us nine months, and then you know, this particular day of our birth, that season, that subseason, and that time of day is a huge, all those things are huge imprints on us, but also a huge imprint on mom and dad, because that's when we came into their family system, or when mom had us, you know, a human come out of her body, I always say. So the time of day is really important. And and day when we were doing a little setup. You were reading my little uh my little quotation here, uh not mine, but uh you know the little quote there on our on our slide. Let me go back. Grow old along with me, the best is yet to be, and it reminded day of um I was so much older then, um younger than that now. Yeah, right on. We're in uh powerful times, and and you know, Dylan's work, of course, is uh circulating back these days as a powerful theme geopolitically or politically, certainly.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

I'll throw in something else, um Alexander. Um I've had a few careers, we'll get into that in a second, but it's ending up with this career which seems to be very, very expanding. Um and yet, you know, some people are retiring at my age, but mine's just blossoming and it's cruising and it's exploding and it's going. And one of my favorite mentors was a man that doesn't really do age with laps around the sun. He does age with how we feel. So his job is to help the body feel better. I learned from him how to help the body feel better, and now we got people that feel younger, and then the smile grows and like what really defines age. So, anyway, that was a little I love that little capsule because he he called his work, you know, tritely um reversing the aging process, which of course we're not going to do. But then what is aging? So I just throw it out there as this, you know, something to contemplate.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Well, so much younger than that now. I mean, you know, uh the aging process, uh, you know, 60 is the new 50, 50 is the new 40, 70 is the new 60, or maybe even for you in your case, 70 is the new 50, you know, or thereabouts.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

So yeah, that's it might not even be linear.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Well, it it certainly, well, I would agree. I mean, I think we are hitting an a-linear time if ever there was. Where, you know, I mean, the the the uh zeitgeist of the uh new agey community when I was first practicing in night uh I began practicing in 1976, the new agey stuff of those early years of practice, um, talked about uh time speeding up. And of course, as an astronomer, I thought, you know, like come on, you know, uh hold on, let's not get carried away with time speeding up. I mean, you know, time's gonna speed up so much faster, and of course, then you saw the the map of the US, and we had, you know, the the the great flood will come, and you know, all the all the the the uh Pacific and Atlantic states of the U.S. will all be underwater by the year 2000, and that was the stuff that was being said back then. And of course, I thought that was uh you know a little bit over the top and absurd. Um you know, so but yet uh I'll be darned uh if time isn't hasn't sped up. I mean, time's in my rear end, it's literally in the back pocket of my jeans all the time, and it's speeding things up. I'm not going any slower, I'm going faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, and faster. I talk fast, I do fast because there's not enough time. Uh because we're all you know in the computer way of things. But this is uh this is a key thing about astrology, too, cycles and seasons, you know, the human connection. I mean the the the four main seasons winter, spring, summer, fall, and the four intermediate seasons, those uh those um cross-quarter days, like Halloween's a famous cross-quarter day. And the turning major turning points of the season. Uh I I think it's very powerfully just a fundamental idea that in the Dharma wheel we have the eight-spoked wheel, and it of course is correlative, like all great um spiritual idea systems and

Seasons Cusps And Birth Imprints

SPEAKER_00 10:05

religions. It's about nature, man. It's about, you know, how am I part of nature? You know, what else could we be part of? So here we're gonna launch now for a day. For a day's chart, which we'll show again, a couple of key factors that leapt off the page for me about your chart day. One, that day is born on the cusp at zero degrees Virgo, almost a Leo. So, really, he's a Leo. And what also, by the way, folks, what do we find? Let me see if I have your chart right up here. Uh da da. There we go. What do we find uh at 29 degrees Leo and zero Virgo? The fixed star Regulus. There are four stars that mark the turning of the seasons, particularly for Egypt. And Regulus, um, the big bright white giant star in uh the constellation Leo, is called the heart of the lion. It's also the star, the royal star of the four royal stars. And it depicts people who have a regality about them, a regalness or a strength of character, or a leadership, or a powerful directive about them. Uh, so that's one interesting little tidbit that Zero Virgo 29 Leo, where Day has his son. Um Day, you also have a grouping or a stellium of planets between Cancer, Leo, and Virgo, all lumped up there at the top of your chart. So there's a real powerful dynamic. I mean, the chart looks powerful. You've got this powerful stellium or grouping. Now, a lot of astrologers will say, wow, those are too far apart. Yeah, well, for astrologers, they're too far apart. For astronomers, they're right next to each other visually, like, you know, right there. You know, they're all together in that in that sky, astronomically speaking, at the top of the sky when Day was born. Another major thing in Day's chart that you have, Day, is Mars out of bounds. We'll talk about out of bounds Mars. And Day's Mars is almost as out of bounds as an out-of-bounds Mars can get. Uh, that Mars um is also to be out of bounds, typically retrograde, and it is. It's in retrograde in Day's chart and thus slow or moving slowly in motion. So it's sort of like I think about the um you know having a blowtorch, you know, moving quickly across metal, but as you slow down, what does that torch do? And as you stop that torch, you know, the torch burned, it's burning through, it's burning through qualities and intensification. Another factor that they you have in your chart is your sun is exactly conjunct the star of healing, Hygia, one of the two or three uh um asteroids, I should say, that astrologers look at these days in the 21st century, that talk about healing. So we want to see about healing phenomenon or anyone who's involved in healing therapies of any sort, uh, Hygia is one of those asteroids that might be active, and in fact, it's exactly conjunct to your sun. Um that Mars is near its bounds, near the extreme bounds of the constellation Opheuchus. And Ophiuchus is known as Asclepius, the healer. So the constellation that rises that's just literally above Scorpius and Sagittarius, and has the bounds of parts of Scorpio and Sagittarius. Astrologically, Ophiuchus or Asclepius is powerful in Day's chart, particularly with that Mars that's so powerful in Day's chart. Ophiouchus is a powerful piece here. And then last of the seven things that I saw that were really particularly like off the charts, you know, notable. There's a few other things too, is Day has a very fast moon and Mercury. We'll talk about all these things as we go along. So there's that big bundle at the top of the chart, outer world. The top of anyone's chart is where the sun is every day during you know noontime or midday hours. It's what we're doing in the outer world versus a midnight time in the inner world. So the outer world for day's chart is extraordinarily powerfully occupied. Only one planet, a few asteroids and things, but only one planet below the horizon in day's chart. That planet Mars as a singleton planet, especially singleton here in the bottom of the chart, the only planet in the bottom of the chart, everything else is up top. That's very notable. That's the first thing that left off the page when I saw Day's chart, that singleton Mars, and that you know, everything above the horizon, an outer world or outgoing, or powerful in the outer world personality. So um, in terms of your life story, Dave, please fill us in on some of the pictures that you sent to kind of share with your uh about your your life journey.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

So I have um where am I now? I'm a geophysicist now at uh oil company in the Gulf of Mexico. And I'm uh processing uh seismic data and I'm doing seismic signal processing and I'm doing uh computer modeling of salt domes and uh where oil reservoirs are. You know, they they run out in the Gulf with all these machines and they gather data and then they bring it in. These computers go crunch, crunch, crunch. I mean, that's where our crayon computer lived down in uh Houston during this time. So we've got these really powerful brains down there, crunching, crunching, crunching, and we're using them 24-7, and we load all these jobs in the machine at night so it'll be done in the morning because there are a lot of batch jobs. It's just like you've got to keep that machine working because CPU time is just so precious, and we need to have so much calculations to do. But it was fun too to get on the uh helicopters and to fly out to the rig sometimes to do that because it's exciting. You know, you're gonna go out there and you run out to the field, the field being a uh platform in the Gulf of Mexico, and you live on this little thing for a week or so, and then you get a helicopter ride back, and it's fun to be out there, and you know, it's where the data is actually being gathered as it comes up the uh from the well. So this is like a geophysics mine. And then prior to that, I was um in the aircraft world and I was actually making helicopters. So here I am on a helicopter going out to the rigs, but I used to make these helicopters. That helicopter that's on the big big rig there, the gray one, is a uh Sikorsky uh uh C-53E, I think is the cargo machine. And that rotor head had so much power in it. You know, you have a the old uh Lincoln Continentals that kind of go down the road, you could put your finger on the steering wheel and you could just do, you know, feet 10 G turns or something because it's all steering or assist, right? But you couldn't feel a thing that was going on from the road. You didn't blow out your suspension, you you'd take a corner too much. Well, those rotor heads on top of that machine got so big and so powerful because the cargo they have to lift up that the pilot could not feel. And he actually could induce a hardover signal enough to tear the rotor head right off. So we had to put something on the stick with enough power, feedback power, so he could feel the G that was happening up there, so he would know by feel where it was going and when it was getting intense, and if you know, then he could pull back on that. So I'm on a team which is designing what this thing is. This thing has to take measurements of the rotor with all the speeds and stuff and run it down into some little servos that sit right right at the bottom of the stick there and give it this feedback lever, and it's like a power system, power assist, but it's got feedback to it. So we call it the fast actuator of these things, and it was kind of a new thing, and we were developing that for that. So that was the engineering world, mechanical engineering, and before that I was into school, you know, doing that. And my last year of school, I get to take this elective because I've got to take electives for an engineer's. You got to take these liberal arts electives. You're just there's so many of these damn things, but pretty soon you got it all. Senior year, the last one you want is the one you never wanted to take, was there, and it was a geology class. So I I took it, I fell in love with it. So now I'm looking around how can I combine degrees, geology and engineering. But they had us an off-cycle, I couldn't quite do it. So this little um um seed is in my mind about how I love this. Engineering is kind of boring

Regulus Stelliums And Healing Markers

SPEAKER_01 17:40

all of a sudden. I love this. So I worked in aerospace for just a few years with those helicopters, and then I went right back to school, graduate school, and got that geophysics and geology, and it just birthed me into uh the world of um you know Earth and the universe and beyond. It was just such a wonderful thing. Um and I can talk forever, but I'll stop there. I think uh gives you a little bit of an idea. Oh, no, one more thing. When I grew up, um, I was like six, eight, ten years old, and my dad had a um friend with a telescope, and sure enough, um I I just fell in love with it. So there I am out every night watching the moons of Jupiter going back and forth, recording them in a log. It was my sixth grade science project. Uh so it began real early and it kept going uh forever, never really has uh left me. It was some resonant draw to it.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

I I know what you mean about the astronomy. It's uh, you know, it's being here on the physical, in the physical plane, on the physical earth, and yet uh physically at the same time not. You know, looking through that eyepiece, it it is a it is a portal to to literally other worlds and other realities. And um, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you. There's a many, many layered stories to all of that.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

It's just peppered with stars. But I'm at a uh some kind of planetarium. I don't know what age I was, but I'm in this planetarium and I just got this insight because that that's when we had enough data with the Hubble and stuff so we could sort of see that it wasn't peppered with stars. There were like these webs of stars, gravitational webs and huge, vast spaces between them with nothing in it. And that really blew my mind because it's not just this sort of homogeneous something I'm used to, which Earth has, you know, on the planet Earth, but instead it's just like these soap bubbles. Oh, and I was doing a science project in engineering, and our job was to figure out through glass, plexiglass, with soap bubbles and take pictures of them how many um edges come together on the soap bubble when you put a glass plane against it, and it's always three. Wow. As much as we went into that, and it was always 120 degrees. Every single one of those things. So that's like what this web was to be was a bunch of soaps bubbles that would come together.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Well, that's really fascinating. You're you're referring to a couple of different things. The last, the soap bubbles has me thinking about the uh something that that you can you fundou know far more about than I do, Mandelbrot. It's called a Mandelbrat. Um and and then you know, there's a in terms of the Earth uh based uh you know one of the things that's been um bandied around a lot the last few years is the Schumann resonance, how everything uh sort of is part of a Schumann resonance, a resonance of the earth, an earth magnetic uh energetic field. That's another factor. And then you're mentioning um the the the Hubble and uh and uh cosmology, and of course the phenomenon I think you're partly referring to, or maybe not, but it's it's bringing it up for me, uh, is the cosmic uh background micro uh radiation. Uh so the the uh cosmic uh messing up the term uh background uh radiation that when we look at uh the Big Bang and the results of the the Big Bang, although I still think that the multiverse is much more likely than the universe, um, there was that cosmic microwave background background radiation imprint. We can literally graph and see uh how the universe has expanded from that singularity. So science confirms the singularity still, although I think there's more to learn. Um but we see it as a cosmic web. And even galaxy clusters, when they start to, with Hubble and now with James Webb, you know, in understanding and using computer supermodels, they're realizing that there are actually galaxy clusters. So that you know that that when they we look at the you know proverbial and famous uh Hubble image, uh the Hubble deep field, which has now been trumped, no pun intended, by the James Webb, um, each of those are like the Hubble was actually a dime-sized at arm's length, a dime-sized field of um the sky in the constellation Hercules that is particularly black and devoid of stars, that little region. And so for even amateur astronomers, you'll move your scope there and you'll see more of a dark, dark, dark, dark area. Well, they let the Hubble sit on that, I forget for a lengthy period of time, a number of a goodly number of days to shooting and shooting and shooting uh from that one space. And what did we see in the Hubble deep field? Every starlight piece that we saw was a galaxy, you know, tens of thousands of galaxies. In this otherwise uh void area of space. It comes back again to they're discovering things like dark matter, dark energy, this idea of dark energy. Everything has got an interwoven quality, there's an interweaving in in the space-time continuum, which is both, you know, literally outside of us, but also, as Day will tell us more, inside of us. And I can think of no one, almost no one, more um perhaps experienced and proficient in your life journey than Day to join these things together. So you were a hell so you were designing uh a joystick, a particular joystick, uh something that enabled the helicopter pilot to feel the the power of those uh super rotors so they wouldn't you know shear the rotors off the off the machine so they could really feel it. So A, you're talking about um phenomena that deal with Mars, which Day has singular as a singleton in the bottom of his chart. Day also has that Mars, for those of you who don't like wide orbs, you know, hold on. So I look at Day's Mars as being second house, third house, first, second, third, this quadrant. And that quadrant deals with self, that quadrant deals with physical body, and that quadrant where his singleton Mars is deals with the mind, an acute mind. You know, Gemini Mars, uh or Mars rather in the Gemini house, the third house, always has a super hyper acute mental intensity about it. Any planet in the third will have that. You'll say, well, it's his Mars is in the second, not the third. What are you talking about, Alexander? This quadrant, this this this uh obsession, astrology folks, with um with houses, I think is misapplied. The quadrant is where it's at. The houses, uh well, first of all, these house cuts, the intermediate house cuts mathematically are are fooy. They they have no real astronomical substance to them, but that's for another show. So just trust me that the quadrant issue is the issue. And having that Mars both in the areas of the body of the chart, you know, person's physical body that figures in days' careers, and having that Mars near that third of the mind, especially that Mars singleton to everything else in the chart, it's like everything is you know either funneling into that Mars or coming from that Mars outward. So Mars of military, by the way, Mars of action, Mars of the mind. And again, we'll see it again as I go through the program today. Day has that moon, the gut mind, the intuitive mind, and Mercury, the analytic mind, um, both are very fast in motion when Day was born. Those are both really, really critical pieces of of Day's chart. That uh that Mercury and lunar part, that that mind, the mind, the sensory mind, the intuitive gut sensory mind and the analytic mind working in tandem with that Mars action. And of course, one expression that Day has had in his life is that incredible work you did working on helicopter technology. It's uh you know what what's the proper term that I'm looking for with that joystick?

SPEAKER_01 25:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Um you called it a it's like a joystick, right?

Engineering Helicopters To Gulf Geophysics

SPEAKER_00 25:10

That you worked on this technology.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

It was a feedback network, so feedback network. Feedback network.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Which, by the way, feedback network. Let's keep note to self, everyone, feedback network. That's in a feedback network. That's another little uh thing here in Day's chart. Uh Mercurial network, uh the the lunar with with Uranus, the gut, uh, the gut plexal network with that singleton Mars being so connected to this whole chart. Feedback network. So here you've got some other picks that you sent to me about your life. So maybe you could share a little bit with the audience.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

So um the same time I got that geology course at my senior year that changed my life. Um, because I just was, you know, devouring, eating it up. I just loved it because there I am with all these freshmen and these newbies and stuff in this intro class, and I've got this engineering mind that's just running through the earth, you know, with stress and strain and heat transfer and all these calculations, and I'm just in a different world from them, but I'm just eating it up. So um, within a month of that, a couple of guys in the class say, Hey, uh, we're heading out to a quarry here, a little afternoon fun on Saturday. You want to join us? What's you gonna do? We're gonna do this thing called rock climbing. I had no idea what it was. So as soon as I hit that with the ropes and the skill and the and the like the uh um, you know, the acrobatic, whatever it is, it's the uh gymnastic sort of you know, vertical climb. It's like a dance. I fell in love and it just has been in my life ever since. So I climbed to this day, and I've always been climbing. Um, and there's a place you can be. If you look at the picture on the right, you've got this guy in the black shirt and the white helmet, that's me, and you're kind of up high, and there's a rope between you and the ground. And there's little pieces of gear that go in between me and the ground, between me and the red shirt guy. And those little pieces of gear are my safety net. In other words, if I climb up past my safety net, I will fall down a certain amount. So I need to put in another safety net. So as I go up, I need to put in a safety net to get myself like a caterpillar going high. So there I am up there in that picture contemplating about putting a piece of gear in right now because I want one right now, because the next move is kind of hard and I want to protect myself. But I love it, it's like an engineering system to put all this together because all those pieces have certain strengths. My body has a certain weight, there'll be a certain momentum, the rope has a certain pull to it to give before it breaks. My mind is calculating what kind of gear to put in here. I mean, I need a beefier one here. I can use a little one here, uh, trying to match everything up. And then when you get to the top of this rope length, we call it a pitch, it's 200 feet. We look down and we look at all the pieces in the gear and they say, Yes, that was well done. And then when you when this guy in red shirt, he comes up, he follows the same route, he climbs in the same way, like a ladder, climbing up like a tree, and then he takes all the gear out, and we've got all our gear back again. And then we pitch so we can multiply these things over and over again. But you look back, and there's not a trace that you were there. You've got these little beautiful pieces of um aluminum and metal that are designed to fit into these cracks, uh, and then they they they have a force that can hold, that can anchor if you pull it in the right direction. So it's like it totally appealed to my left brain here about um engineering this. And yet to do that, you've got to have good focus. Your feet have to be in the right place, you've got to be able to shift your momentum, get your balance. It's all very static, and you have to have some strength and you have to have some confidence and some faith. Uh so it builds with experience. Somehow climbers learn, but they get live through the uh learning area until they um get um good enough so they don't hurt themselves.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

And or hurt hurt other people. Obviously, you you there's a great deal of teamwork and relying upon your climbing partners.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

If you get into climbing, you realize it's a it's a partner sport. You have to have a partner, someone's got to hold the end of the rope. And yet, when you're at the end of the rope, it's so it's a solo sport because it's all Zen. You're all just right there, and you're really listening to nothing else. And later on, we might get into this, but I'll just throw it out now since I got this. Um, I talk with people about relationships a lot, you know, men, women and stuff, and boyfriends, girlfriends, and partners and marriage and things that kind of get along, you don't get along. And uh, I've got a climber I share this with one night where you know suddenly I said, you know, relationships are a partner sport too. No, no, no, no, no. So so climbing, um you need a partner, but it's like a solo sport because you're alone. In relationships, if you're gonna have one, you need a partner, but it also it also is like a solo sport. You kind of know who you are. You can dance with somebody, but you gotta be you also through that. So I like those, it was fun uh to put those two together.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

Well, uh uh you were kind of I'm I'm I don't know, I don't know if I'm reading your mind or something like that, but uh, you know, of course, I am I'm listening intently as I imagine our audience is listening intently. And again, uh in terms of Astrospeak, I'm thinking again back to that Mars. You know, Mars is independent. You know, Mars, the the glyph for Mars is the circle of the sun, one's essential essence of being, spirit force, with an arrow, directed spirit force, directed will. So, you know, where the sun is our our beingness, and we could say it's our ego, it's our light of consciousness, light of day, it's it's our it's our it's our life force spark, it's our qi, it's our it's our life force spark. Uh Mars is really about how we direct that spark. You know, our our intentional will uh uh is is is Mars. And so with Day's chart having every planet in some way funneling into that Mars or vice versa, that Mars funneling into every planet, you know, it's it's kind of like that Mars is the tail of a kite. Every planet at the top of Day's chart is the kite itself that's taking air and flying and going ever higher. But that Mars is that that ballast, it's that tail, it's that rope, you know. And so there's a the theme of the independence, the the foundation of independence of self and martial independence. And also, by the way, a prominent Mars in a chart is uh the mark of an athlete. They say also Mars and Capricorn is in its place of exaltation or where it's particularly powerful that we can really essentially channel a channel our our energy. So we're gonna come back to that Mars because in Day's chart it figures over and over and over again. Not only is it next to North Node Dharma and Chiron of Healing, we'll get to that. But yeah, you're gonna say something today.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

So if I read this right, um you're the guy. Um that's zero degrees of Capricorn, right? And then two minutes, is that right?

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

So can you just in your head quickly calculate how many minutes or hours would I have been born earlier and it would be out of it hadn't reached Capricorn?

SPEAKER_00 31:26

Being Saj. Uh, you know, off the top of my head I have to think sort of planetary speed.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Well, some pretty small.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it would it would be it would be maybe a like an it could be as little as an hour or two before your birth. Which which which is why astronomically, in you know, in terms of astronomy, guys, right? An hour or two, it's like it's a wink of an eye. Okay, so so we have days we have days sun on the cusp of fire sign Leo, earth sign Virgo. We have days Mars on the cusp of fire sign sag and earth sign Capricorn. So, you know, again, these these these are highlights in days chart, this transition, this transition from the the fire of spirit and willfulness to you know acumen and exact exacting, uh, you know, sort of functional exactness, Virgo, Capricorn.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

So I'm in utero and I've got a due date and unexpected, but you know, one, two, three post, and his kick baby's not coming out. And finally on day 10, my mom just says, We're going to the hospital. We're gonna get this kid out of here. And then, you know, I I came out without being induced. So I would I might be curious to run back the clock and just see, well, maybe they were on the drive to the hospital and the this um whatever it is, Mars was transiting into uh moving into Capricorn, but I had to wait, you know, enough just to get it into Capricorn.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

Well, you you bring up uh you bring up a topic, you know, my other podcast, the astrology of family karma and relationships. I had a guest recently who inquired um because he had to uh choose a date his his wife had given uh birth by c-section to the first child, and so as a student of astrology himself, he had to choose um a date to birth the second child to have uh to have a c-section for his wife. And the choice was between um over a five-day period, which meant really, you know, the moon being in three different signs. You know, which so what you know, where where which one is the the way to go? And we actually tracked in that uh chart without getting into that episode. So the astrology of family karma uh it was about uh c-section and choosing c-section birth times, um, the moon's placement was really, really critical. So we see an important thing day along the lines of what you're saying, that the moon had entered cancer and opposed your Mars uh literally one day before your birth. So about 20, roughly 24 hours or 20 uh or 27 hours or so before your birth, that moon had entered uh cancer the day before your birth and had opposed that Mars. And uh that would have been one would have thought like a medical procedure or a c-section, or by today in today's world, you were born 1954. In today's world, I would have no doubt there'd be probably a procedure, a c-section, or something to get things moving if you were 10 days uh overdue. But that's really a powerful.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

And would that would that make me a different personality or a different kind of entity?

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Well, that's the trip. When when we when we looked at that astrology

Telescopes Cosmic Webs And Wonder

SPEAKER_00 34:20

family karma episode uh about c-sections, so I I ask my viewers and listeners, go check it out. Uh well I will the the the chart doesn't make us anything per se. I always say the road sign doesn't make the road curvy, it's descriptive. Um, however, there is something there is some woo-woo juju to astrology that uh, you know, as a as a backyard astronomer, I don't like to awfully uh you know focus on. But there is something else that astrology mirrors, and it and there isn't uh a web, well, you made reference to the cosmic microwave background radiation map in a way, you know, in both the extent of universal, but also the not the outer universe, but the inner universe, it's all interwoven. And so, yeah, ostensibly the moon being in a different sign describes circumstances that are different. If we go to that episode about that that C-section birth, uh, had they waited for that moon to be in a better relationship to the sun in that particular episode, um, the winter storm would have passed and they would have been able to drive to the, you know, to the delivery room, and the and the surgeon would have been there, there would have been no hassle. But before that, the day he chose was indeed a winter storm. It was a moon-neptune conjunction, the day he chose to birth his child. And uh, you know, in terms of astro meteorology and astro astrology meteorology, the there is a there is a field of astrology, meteorological astrology. Moon Neptune would be uh in the winter, uh, kind of like a no-no. Like you would think, mmm, there might be precipitation, you know, and you might want to not choose that date for a C-section. So, yeah, that you we're we're opening interesting too.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Given the world of astronomy and astrology, and sometimes you find that there's not a cohesiveness, there's separation in that space. So some people in the astronomy world might say, How can you argue that whatever could happen? Like you said, the chart doesn't make a person. And I I I wouldn't even say that. It's just we are different, and there is a correlative effect, and that's why you like the astrology. I've got this engineering brain, and I like the astrology too. But obviously, there's something going on. So, yes, if I was born earlier, uh when the moon is uh I I would have been in a different field, and it would be predictable again with a chart that was different than my chart. So, yes, of course it would be different. So I'm answering my own question, uh, but but it's like it's very interesting that these little when you've got um sequences like mine that are so close together, and like your podcast that you did, those are are really interesting things to study.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

They they are terribly interesting things to study, and it and it really comes down to any of us who have uh met our astro twin, someone born the same day or within hours. But again, those hours imply the moon having a different position or a different time of day or night. So the chart mirroring, you know, a a different uh phenomenological experience around one's birth. I have uh over the years met a couple of astro twins born on my birthday. Uh one guy particularly uh in an apartment that I rented. Uh turns out when I went to say hello to him, he lived in the apartment above me. Uh we were born the same day, the same year, the same hospital. He was born in the morning, I was born at night. My whole career has been about, you know, consciousness and metaphysics, and all of his, you know, so the inverse charts. So his chart's the opposite, the the inverse. You know, I was born at night, he's born in the morning. All of his partners were about metaphysics and consciousness and things he thought, like, ah, I hate all that shit, you know. So we were we were exactly uh exactly 180 opposite by chart in some ways. Same chart, same day, same hospital. But our center of focus was in some ways 180 opposite. Um, but you'll find these interesting, curious uh curiosities when you start studying astrology really more, you know, when one studies it more intensely. Uh, but yeah, it's it's all I think terribly, uh terribly interesting. So here you are in that rock climbing, and that was a wonderful description. You know, I don't know that I ever fully understood the the sort of intentional mathematical, you know, conceptualization of of each piece of gear and weight weight ratio to rock face ratio to to uh I'm gonna guess uh uh you know weight and torque on the rope potential, uh, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, there's so many more factors that a lay person wouldn't consider that when you're when you have your life and other people's lives in your hands, you think of all of these things simultaneously, yet you must remain really calm. Kind of like you know having the joystick for the for that you know mega helicopter. You you've got to be in command and and really feel your way through it. So there's a phenomenon here of analytics, Mercury and and moon gut feeling, and then Mars action that you talk about over and over again. So, where are we here with these photographs, Day?

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Uh the one on the right with the purple backpack is just a picture I picked off the web. It's uh the the knife edge in Katahdin, the mountain up in Maine. Uh and that's where I did my um geological field work. And what I did up there is I collected rock samples um high on the mountain. Well, not even actually uh if it to get into details, New England has a tilt to it on the rebound. So whenever take something, if you took a layer cake and you tilted it and you sliced it, you'd end up with like the bottom layer over here and the top layer over there, but they're all in the same flat. But you do that with Earth too. So therefore, if we got top and bottom layer, we can go deeper into the crust if we have a tilt, uh a crust that's tilted, because it gets sliced by erosion. So that's what happens up in Maine. So therefore, I can go southwest and I can get older, deeper and older. I can go northeast, I can get shallower and younger. So I'm gonna do younger rocks and older rocks, and I'm gonna look at them geochemically. So I'd go up there in the field and I'd uh map where these rocks were, and then I would take samples back home, and I found these little tiny um uh um um uh minerals inside these rocks, uh appetite it was, and it had calcium, a lot of calcium, but it uh uh there's a substitute of um europium, which is a rare earth in the uh periodic chart, which europium.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

I never heard of europium.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Yeah, yeah. So so you go through the lanthanides, there's a place on the chart at the bottom, and they're getting near the radioactive ones, but your europium can fit at the same size as calcium. So now we can use europium as a trace uh mineral. In other words, we could do uh fingerprints, it's like DNA. So what I do is I grind these things up and I send over to MIT, put them in their nuclear reactor, and they would bombard them with radiation, uh, and then they would come back and they would be hot, they'd be excited. So we put them on a spectrograph, we could measure how much europium there because we knew what the europium spike looked like on the chart. And then we could f uh PPM parts per million of europium in these different rocks, and trying to do that for the uh deeper rocks too, to see if they were correlated. Were they sort of a magma that sort of was a big uh um chamber that had uh a root and a top but of the same genetic form, or maybe they were different. Uh so we're trying to do correlative work like that. We're testing out this way to do correlations. So it was a fun thing because it's not every day you get to play with the nuclear reactors, not every day you get to uh work with geochemistry like that. It's a little bit out of the realm of what the normal geology student did um up there, but it was pretty exciting for me.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

Well, also not every day that that that one examines the the sort of the core layers of of the earth's mantle uh and these and these uplifts. I mean, I know there are uplifts like that, I believe, in Colorado, where we have these sort of jagged uplifts that rise uh uh out of the earth's crust that you know the this as as tectonic plates move, I believe is what it is, yes?

SPEAKER_01 41:39

Yeah, so that's my that's my total fascinated with fascination with geology, is because there is a thin, thin, thin layer around the earth with a lot of stuff underneath it, and there's this upwelling of uh heat cycles. And this little guy on top, he's sort of like a boat, he just floats on top. Uh, and then there's is there's all these geochemical processes that happen inside that of differentiated and fractionation, and I was doing a lot of geochemistry to figure that out. And then the picture on the left is well, by the way, what you just said correlates to your career now.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

It's another it's another expression of the inner and the outer, or the you know, in your chart, the the the the visible and the and the core, you know, and and how in fact it's kind of interesting because your your your your chart does have actually uh this is another typical weird thing of astrology. The chart gestalt talks about a focal point or or or a focus. I mean, here you could sort of see the uplift is sort of inverted here, but um, you know, a focal point, an uplift. And this is what you're discussing, of course, in this slide. Um there is there are there are it sounds like I'm doing something uh I'm I'm taking things and really making something up. But uh trust me, folks, there there are these, it's another thing about astrology and even the chart gestalt and shape, what's what's rising, what's setting, etc. Uh it oftentimes has a correlative uh coincidence in the in a person's life and it manifests in different forms in different ways. But that's again for for content for other shows. But there is definitely more that to it than one would think. So please.

Rock Climbing As Calculus And Zen

SPEAKER_00 43:10

So this uh this slide on the left.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Well, let's go back and tag on to you there. The uh work that I do with the in health now with the body, yes, I'm working inside the body, and I'm also talking to the person. So there's this uh work I do that I have to sort of relate to the person, but then I go inside the body uh to work with the inside of the body. And and they're very important because inside the slide down here, we've got a lot of um chemistry going on inside this place too. We've got these um, you know, this nutrients are coming in and they're being uh energized with plus minus things, and the contraction and muscles get contracted, and then they can do something because they operate on a joint. Uh, but some of them get pathologic, so why is there a pathology there and can we stop that or can we reset it? Uh so my whole engineering brain turned into the body uh at some kind of mid career point. Um and everything prior to that, I mean, the helicopters were great, the offshore was great, but it really didn't, you know, gestel me to say I look. Love it. But when I found the body, I did love it. And I've been working this for decades now.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

Although everything you've discussed so far, I mean, involved action and nerve fiber and sort of brain-body interactive, you know, from the joystick to the rock climbing to, of course, what you do that you'll tell us much more about shortly. You know, it's it's all it's all interactive. It's it's psycho interactive. It's, you know, it's it and we started too, really, with you may mention of what I called the cosmic microwave background radiation, you know, map. The you know, the the the the the network, you know, the kind of the the the inner and outer network. Um this is really figures very, very strongly in in your journey. So I'm just curious, this other photo, by the way. It looks like you're in in Europe or something here.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

Yeah, yeah. Thanks for stopping me because I realized I was about to go on and on because I can't stop with it. So yeah, we'll go right away.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

I don't want to stop you actually.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

Ski right now. Yeah, this is uh um uh uh outside of Chamonix, is Mont Blanc.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

It is the European.

SPEAKER_01 44:59

I'm up on the top of Mont Blanc. Uh and uh the uh there's the petit Drew somewhere, and then these uh Grand Drew is up there. Uh these are rock climbs, uh, and then there are glaciers there and you know, on skis and and uh traversing across this, and and we're I don't know, 11,000 feet, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Uh and and and like the Knife Edge that I know of Catahdin, Mount Katahdin, folks, is the end of the Appalachian Trail from Georgia all the way along the Appalachian Ridge. And Katahdin, of course, in the Knife Edge is a famous part that I have not uh hiked yet. Um, but I'd love to do that. And I know it's uh for a lot of people a rather perilous hike if you're not um stepping lively here. But you know, again, it's it's at Marshall, it's it's at Mars on the edge. That out of bounds Mars.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Yeah, very out of bounds, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 45:46

Yeah. So another thing again about your your chart pattern is what's called a fan pattern, a fan, like a Japanese fan, where the handle, in this case, the Mars North Node or Dharma point, where there are eclipses when we're born. Everyone has the nodes opposite to each other. The north node, south node are always opposite. The south node can join day's moon, the north node can join day's Mars. Those eclipses were eclipses are like highlight points. Well, you could say the the the the moon covering the sun, a highlight or the a shifting of light, a shifting of awareness. Um so that Mars and North Node Chiron, Chiron of Healing at the bottom of day's chart, at the foundations of day's chart, Chiron of Healing, North Node of Dharma, Mars of Action. And this fan pattern. The fan pattern holds the fan, the fan um uh handle holds the Japanese fan for the fan to to be released. You can say, or for the kite to be, you know, for the kite to go lofty, you have to have a tail and a string to help the kite fly or give it give it loft and give it give it uh you know sort of boundaries or or function. That Mars uh there uh in Capricorn. Again, it's an out-of-bounds Mars, meaning it's very, very high in the sky or very, very low. We'll talk more about this. This case, very, very low, earthbound, an earthbound, active Mars, hyperactive, functional Mars that's earthbound, that's earthing, grounded. So they say with a fan pattern, uh, it's similar to a bucket pattern where you've got you know half the chart occupied, but here we've got a singleton. So an apex planet, they say, acts not only as a place of released energy, but also performs uh as a tool, a stepping stone, a dominant force. Those are some different ideas people have come up with about that that uh that fan and that handle. So out-of-bounds planets means a planet is again very high in the sky visually, or very, very low. Of course, it means it's above or below the ecliptic, this the sun's path, the zodiacal path, the norm when a planet is out of bounds, very high or very low. Uh so it means extremes. It talks about a planet operating in extremes. And so out-of-bounds planets operate in extremes. Here we can see in this graph by declination, out of bounds, that Mars is almost as high as Mars can possibly get in Day's chart. It's almost as out of bounds as a Mars can be. Actually, Day, you and I share that in our charts, that you and I both have an extremely out-of-bounds Mars. Uh, so anyone who knows me will say, uh, okay, interesting. In a very different way than Day, you know, all these incredible things you've achieved and conquered and climbed, you know, in these incredible ways you do. Um, that out-of-bounds Mars is expressed in action that's uh beyond uh the norm or beyond the average or beyond, you know, sort of pedestrian world. Note also, folks, that Day has his moon and Pluto and Jupiter and Uranus, all four of those that are opposite that Mars are also almost out of bounds. They're all uh they're nearing an extreme, which is important too to think of. You know, a lot of Day's chart is is uh whoops is nearing nearing extremes. And since there's an opposition here, there's a there's a uh you know a seesaw effect. There, there's a there's a seesaw balance act happening between the martial action and the the inner uh Cancerian moon reflection and reviewing. And as you said, when you're climbing that mountain, action and review is a really important thing that simultaneously must happen. So out-of-bounds planets in brief are actions and intentions with out-of-bounds Mars especially. Actions and intentions are powerful and often intense. The native will have unconventional boldness, extreme independence, and may even flaunt societal restrictions that are often uh these are traits of these warrior natives. Innovators, pioneers, out-of-bounds planets in general act to reach beyond current establishment. When the sun isn't watching, that is, when it's out of the bounds of the sun's path. It's kind of weird, tongue in cheek when the sun isn't watching. When the planet goes out of bounds, it means that it no longer is under the dominion of the sun, or the dominion of the of the pedestrian or the norm or the zodiac belt. When out of sight and out of connection, the planet can behave independently. In this case, this Mars, which is extremely, as I said, it's almost as out of bounds as it can get astronomically. These are extraordinary people with positive or negative qualities, could be extraordinary in some ways, um, who uh who would leave a mark in the world around them. So those other interesting tidbit about out of bounds. Now that out of bounds Mars has a powerful relationship always with Venus, you know, because Mars and Venus are opposite. You know, the 21st century we see Mars with this sort of angular thing with a little arrow, but Mars glyph for uh until the last 200 years was just like Venus, except simply inverted. So the circle of spirit with Venus directs its energy of the spirit is is is dominant, the spirit and awareness of values is dominant and is grounded in the earth, the cross of matter. But here with Mars, we have the cross of matter on top. And it implies, I always say, like, you know, Malon, you take that rifle and go shoot that son of a bitch, I don't care what you feel about it. That martial action, Mars, so Mars is about action and the dominion of the function. So in Day's chart, that Mars uh and that moon that are opposite have a midpoint planet, and the midpoint planet is Venus. We have what's called a T square in Day's chart, and you can see it quite readily in Day's chart. So that Venus and Neptune and Black Moon and Saturn rising, uh, even the ascendant itself, I lumped them all together. They're they're a powerful um uh you know five-point uh issue here of of the self. So a theme of action, of independence, and yet relationship, as they as you mentioned, with climbing. It's a it's about as independent an action on the one hand as you can get climbing. Conversely, you completely are interwoven with your partners that you climb with. You can't ever forget about the partner. It's it's it is that complex thing. It had me thinking of like we're all born alone and die alone, and yet you're born from a person's body, and often might have people around you as you're expiring, uh leaving your last breath behind. Yet it is an internal inner job, you know, the coming and the going in the physical plane, which I think also relates to to your chart a great, great deal. The independent action, and yet the the the the um the theme of having to find the balance point. So t squares emphasize problem solving, stress motivates action, conflict stimulates decisions, tension forces a new approach, a nagging search for compromise. Holy crap, if that doesn't sound like somebody I know. Uh and there's Day's chart again, folks. So I don't know if you have any comments about what we just read.

SPEAKER_01 52:43

Yeah, uh, I first discovered

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SPEAKER_01 52:45

astrology in um what age was I? Forty. I think forty-four, maybe, which is what the um Uranus halfway point, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 52:56

It's it's your your yep, for everybody. Uh the planet Uranus has an 84-year orbit around the sun, ergo wherever Uranus is at age 42. 42, yeah. It opposes itself. Yeah, so it's the midlife crises. Of course, for your chart day, by the way, sorry, just hold your thought. Yep. Uh, before you had that Uranus opposing Uranus at 42, around age 39, 40, 38, 39, 40, really 40, 41, Uranus would have hit that Mars, which as we have already seen, is a clear ape apex planet in your chart. It would have marked a turning point. So age 3940-41 would have been a turning point before that Uranus opposing Uranus midlife crises, technically.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

Yeah, so uh now that you did that number, um, that was when I left the um industry as a whole. All industry, all uh management, all corporate world. Um there was a downsizing, a little bit of retirement package was supposed to clear people out, um, but they're supposed to be much older than I. But I looked at it and says, Whoa, I qualify. And I just scoot, I zip right out, gone. Because the same year I also got into the body and athletic and performance, and I was uh working with um um uh the Olympic field trials, um, helping people go, and I just really was into this performance stuff and and just amazed at what the body could do and these athletes and Ariam, you know, being a therapist for them, uh physical manual therapist for them, um, working muscle tissue. And then from that point on, it's just been an explosive um education on my about how it all works the ambulation, the mechanics, the kinesthetics, uh, the fossil strains, and then there's all the neurological feedback networks inside all this, and then there's this emotional content. I study with a Chinese doctor for 10 years, um, and all the meridians and things. Um, and just you know, there's it's the most magnificent machine I've ever come across, and it has no um bounds, no ends. It just goes on and on and on. And that's been my life. So in those other ones, I'm never quite happy. Uh, but once I found this one, I I'm just delighted. And it's just been going on for decades now. And and uh anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

Did did you did you say Olympic uh something about Olympic athletes?

SPEAKER_01 55:04

Yeah, there was Olympic uh trip track and field trials, and I was uh on on duty. We we would vol everyone volunteers to come, all the manual therapists come in and they volunteer the work to help the athletes, you know, to uh promote them. So I was one of those chosen ones and I was able to get in there and work with them uh during those field trials.

SPEAKER_00 55:19

Aaron Powell The reason I brought that up is because there was, of course, uh famous studies uh by Michel and Francois Gauklin. I won't get into the whole details of the Gaulklin studies and the Gaulklin sectors, but they focused uh particularly on what eventually was become to known as the Mars effect, the Mars effect. As they proved statistically beyond a shadow of a doubt and repeated repeated um testing and repeated uh retesting of their data. Uh their sampling was, I think, 7,500, something like that, sampling of Olympic uh athletes, those particularly who won gold medals, but Olympic athletes in general, and they found that Mars was very prominent in Olympic athletes or people who had extraordinary athletic acumen. Now, you know, again, all you need to do is say, wow, look at that Mars. It's like that Mars is uh super potent. If you didn't even know it was out of bounds, you know, like super low or super high. In this case, Mars would have been very low to the earth visually uh when Day was born. So you'd say that Earth is really, you know, it's an earthbound action, earthbound, action-oriented Mars. And I love that because we see that uh there. We see that earthbound, action-oriented, like really talk about being of the earth. Um, that Mars is expressed perfectly uh in rock climbing for you, uh, you know, that martial quality. And so there's that Mars, and and it's of course it's it's like hyper athletes, you know, Olympic level by by the average person's corporate person's life, uh, you, my friend, are an Olympiad.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

Well, well, thank you. I do enjoy it. I don't ever compete at all, but I do enjoy using my body in in powerful ways. So an athletic story, I don't know where you're at in the curriculum, but if you got time, I'll just throw out the story about recent because rock climbing, I you found out when I you know discovered it earlier. But then just a few years ago, um, I meet someone and and she says, Do you ski? And I say no. And there's this pause, this pregnant pause. And then she says, Would you like to? And I was wondering, you know, if I wanted to ski, I would have skied by now. So obviously I don't want to, but you're interesting, so I'll say yes. So sure enough, you know, we get we we start dating, and then we've got this thing going on without this. She she she teaches me how to ski. So that was just a few years ago. Uh, but a couple of years after that, you know, so so I don't have all the background of the skiing, and I'm doing all these mountains all over the country. But a couple of years after that, my daughter says, Hey, you know, thanks for teaching me how to ski, because after I learned with with this person that I taught my daughter because she wanted to know, she said, I want to learn snowboarding this year. And I said, Well, well, fine. But she said, I want you to teach me snowboarding the way you taught me skiing. And I says, Baby, I can't do that. I mean, I'm not gonna get on a snowboard. That's for 19-year-olds. People are gonna die, you know, I'm gonna crack my head open. But you know, I just succumbed to it, and there we are on the bunny slope doing snowboarding together. Um, she kind of left it, but I stayed with it because I really enjoyed it. So now I don't ski anymore. I'm a snowboarder now, and I'm snowboarding with all people of all ages. Um, there's a lot of people of my age that snowboard, but also there's a whole slew of young people that snowboard. And then these tricks you can do. You can throw yourself around, you can roll in circles and come back up, you can switch from one side to the other. My left brain and right brain are having a field day, uh, learning how to um, you know, organize all this and coordinate all this and work with all this. It's very dynamic, fast scene. Um, and and it it flies and it's just beautiful. I dig it.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

So I I love that. It's a great segue. I'm gonna take that as a segue, if I might, uh, astro-wise for today's chart, folks. So um again, we have that Mars at the bottom of the chart. We've got that big bundle at the top of the chart. We've got that Mercury, Sun, Pluto conjunction, you know, Pluto's life and death and rebirth. Um, there are themes about life, death, and rebirth in this chart all over the place, and rebirthing oneself, certainly, and rebirthing yourself with three careers, you know, uh helicopter uh work and invention and uh uh and mechanics, uh, and then uh uh geophysics and being a geologist, and now being sort of the inner world of geophysics of body. So we have that out-of-bounds Mars. We also have a very, very fast moon. When you were born, I mentioned earlier the moon was very fast in travel, as was Mercury. So it says his gut plexel mind moves really fast, his gut mind, his plexel mind, and his analytic mind move really fast. I mean, you guys have seen that. So um your moon was almost 13 and a half degrees of travel, so that's starting to get pretty fast. The Mercury is almost two degrees of travel, and that is um real tra real fast. Mercury's usually a degree, so you're like twice as fast as most individuals. And so your mind's moving super quick and super fast. And so I've got this slide you sent me to, which I loved. It's another aspect of days um that Mars, in fact, even red here is perfect. Can you tell us a little bit about what you were thinking when you sent this slide out and how it pertains? I think it does pertain.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

I love food, okay, obviously. Um and um I now live in Vermont and there are farms everywhere. And that's the cat's me now for me because you can go to the farm and you can get your food. So I participate in these farms. You know, I don't own a farm, but I participate in these farms. And then with the farms, you you you use things that are seasonal. You know, you when the tomatoes come up, you eat tomatoes, when the basil come up, you eat basil. But the basil and the tomato both grow prime in the summertime, and that's when you make pesto. So this is a picture of me that has gathered multiple plants of basil and then buckets, but you know, barrels of tomatoes. And then I spend a whole day at the kitchen, you know, shopping and and just and then suddenly I've got like um 17 of these little um, you know, containers of um pesto for the freezer. Um I'm not sure what prompted this picture.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

Well, I I would say you're you're kind of here, you know, you know, crown crowning yourself. You you have that sun conjoined Regulus,

Out Of Bounds Mars Explained

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

the the uh royal star. Uh there at 29 degrees Leo is the royal star Regulus. It's the it's the most of out of the four royal stars or turning turning seasonal turning point stars. That super white giant in the constellation of Leo at the top of your chart, right next to your sun in your Pluto. It talks about sort of that, you know, being being front and center, you know, being a person who is who likes to be front and center in your career. This is a person who aims to be at the top, you know, to really be cutting edge and to be proficient in what you do. You do it with a martial in drive and you do it with a sense of you know getting it right, you know, be being a leader. If you're gonna do something, do it right. If you're gonna do it, do it well. And so I love this picture because I it sort of says it looks to me like you've you've crowned yourself here, or in a way, crowned yourself in in the substance of the earth and in the body and the and wellness, which of course is interestingly your chart. That Mars placement in day's chart at zero degrees of Capricorn, almost 29 degrees of Sagittarius, that particular Mars placement falls at the tail end of the constellation Ophiuchus, which rises or which astronomically falls just above Scorpius and Sagittarius. So a lot of astronomers say, Oh, you're not a Scorpion, you're not a Sagittarian, you're an Ophiuchan. Um that's another discussion. Um, although actually I have a I have a podcast, I believe, um, on uh astrology of family karma about Ophiuchus. Anyone who's interested about what Ophiuchus is, if you think you're an Ophiuchan born in November, December, um my podcast will straighten that matter out for you. But uh but nonetheless, anyone who's born or has planets in Sag Scorpio um will, and even really in this case early, early Capricorn, where your Mars is, will have an Ophiuchin um quality. And Ophiuchus, the serpent bearer, the serpent bearer, or Asclepius. Asclepius, the father of medicine. Uh that's where we have the caduceus from. Ophiuchus, um, the constellation is uh the serpent bearer wrestling the snake, wrestling serpents, the snake. The snake and the snake's venom are key. So Asclepius, Ophiuchus, same thing, were known for capturing uh the venom uh both for harm, if need be, or for healing. So it's about um healing agents, uh things that can provide healing agency. Um notice that the mythos of Ophiuchus is interpreter of dreams, seeker of peace and harmony, political, uh poetical, I should say, poetical, it's day totally for day. Uh so poetical, inventive, expanding qualities, seeks higher education and knowledge, overseer, astrological, astronomical talents, I should say, intuitive, foresight, and good fortune, comes from a large family, but apt to separate from them when young. The number number twelve might hold significance, has secret enemies sometimes in family. Uh many can be jealous of this person or have uh envy or competitiven competitive elements. These are all uh qualities of Ophyukins and Ofiuchus, where Day has his Mars. So there's something about uh that uh Regulus, the heart of the lion, the the royal star that's enjoyed your sun, that you you want to be seen, you want to be at the top of the game, but certainly you aim to be the best of what you do. You you aim to to do it well and and and hit a high mark. And that is again also that out-of-bounds Mars, that's also that super fast moon, super fast Mercury. The moon is one's gut mind, Mercury is one's analytic mind. You put all those things together and you have a guy who's really moving like rapidly, as we see today in our experience of you. Lastly, you have an 11-degree Scorpio rising, so the asteroid Ascapia Ascia, which is um basically opiucus uh sclepius related, Ascia, Ascalpia, the asteroid ascape Asclepius Ascalpia is conjunct your ascendant, your sense of persona, medicine, asclepia. Think of the caduceus, and you have the asteroid hygia exactly only 10 minutes arc off an exact conjunction of your sun. And that brings us to one of our last slides, which deals with um your present-day career that you you've referenced already. So maybe just fill us in a little bit of what what you do, what you offer, or anyone who's interested or needs your services.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:41

Well, I built this and um I built it as soon as I left the corporate world. Uh it still grows, so it's a perpetual building of something. Um but let's see. So I've been working for myself, is what I mean. And there's an independence in there that satisfies me. And sometimes along that journey I've been under the auspices of somebody else overriding me. But I've always found a niche inside that place where I'm independent. Uh there was one place I was working and there were six of us in a department which was new. Um and I had a lot of skills which I brought in there, but I knew that skill, so I would do that skill, but also do my other skills. But I wouldn't pull back when someone came in for some uh health work. I would give them everything that they needed in the moment. But other people in the department, you know, couldn't do some of the things I did. So there was this vagueness about me, there was this um independence about me, there was this uh work that I did that even my boss didn't understand, but he liked the um prestige that it gave the department because I was there. Um but it really wasn't my cat's meow, so uh it came and went. Uh my cat's meows to work um by myself, and I've noticed that I don't really find a lot of peers that I hook up with and we have a joint effort. Um, but I do like working with people. I can't do any of this with any ego because it gets in the way. Because you have the regulist up there and you say you like to be seen, you like to be, you know, you like so I do like to do my craft um excellently, um, but it doesn't have to be seen, and I don't try to be humble here, I'm just trying to say it's a fact. When my ego gets in the way, I miss out, I stumble. I can't hear what I need to hear. Because what I'm doing is working with a preciousness um in the body um which is beyond me. It's beyond all of us. And um, and yet um if I focus in the right way, I I can I I'm privy to it. And being privy to it, um, I can facilitate or help or unwind something that is uh resistant. And then the beautiful thing about these resistant things is they always come from a perfectly healthy body to get a distortion from a response we make to our environment, which is an emotion. Um, and if we could calm or cool that somehow, uh, maybe with a sigh or a breath or something that helps us relax, the body just naturally returns to this place of beautiful health. It's like every cell in the body knows exactly how to be healthy. And it will continue to be so unless we throw obstacles in the way. And if the obstacle pile gets too big, then it's going to get a little pathologic. So when I study this Chinese medicine with the Chinese doctor, that's when I realized you treat something before it gets in the tissue and it's gone in in seconds. That's the Chinese medicine point of view. Acupuncture needles, and you're just getting energy to flow, and then it never gets never gets resident anywhere. But if you miss it and it starts to stay linger long enough, it starts to become resident, and now we've got something we've got to work with. And if it actually goes down at the bones, then you know we've got to have surgeries and bone joint replacements and stuff like that. But there's this cascading level of uh dysfunction. And if you can see something early, so when people uh when I find people, when people, I don't really advertise, people come to me. And when they come to me, there's like this thing I got to scan and look for right away is where is I can get this person to more relaxed? Because then I know I'm gonna be working with the natural physiology, and then we can get that natural physiology coming back up again. You were talking about the internal and the external, and I just got out from a five-day workshop. We're working on this cranial system up here. So the brain is inside a fluid, it's kind of like a pressurized container, but it's got a little um relief valve on it, and it's got this little pulse generated. And uh, if we get in a car accident, that gets all jostled, the brain gets upset. So now we've got systemic stuff that's happening in the body. But if you can recognize that that rhythm has to be working nicely for all the body to work well, you know how to put your hands on that head or on that sacrum, and you can sort of tune into what the rhythm is, and if there's some aberrations, you can calm it down and you can get it to reset. Um, and you might even be able to readjust a bone range of motion, perhaps, with the with the cranium. But it's all very, very gentle touch. And if I go in with that, well, like, I'm gonna do something here, that's that ego. If I go in with that, I can't hear anything. I have to just totally wipe it clean and say, What am I gonna hear? with like a curiosity, and then be guided about doing this. And it's a little bit weird because the left brain doesn't understand how this works. And all I can do is I can say, Some people have got this ancient book from China called The Dao De Ching, and they do without doing. And yeah, if you can actually read that book, you know, you really have to go into outer space to understand it, but it's like full of paradox, and that's kind of what it's like to be working with the human body. It's full of paradox. You kind of have to let everything go. But if you don't do anything, in other words, I need to be present. I've got to be there with it and to read and feel and maybe move to a new place and do some um unwinding of a joint or and there's traumas all over the place. We get car accidents, we get uh violence, we get uh all these things that affect our feelings and stuff. So this is why it's a never-ending journey for me, because uh I keep meeting meeting people along the educational line that are doing amazing work, and then I tap into that and I I I become a part of that. Uh, and then I um I I just feel like spreading that around. It's just nice to uh have that to spread around. Well, that's my work now.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:48

Awesome and incredible.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:49

Self-created, and I enjoy it immensely.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:52

A few things that you you said um spawned some ideas. One, you mentioned um cranial sequel work that you just uh had further training in and experience. Uh, and of course, you know what what planet governs the cranium technically, Mars. Mars is the cranium, and particularly, you know, the the the nose and the upper, you know, the upper jaw and the cranium is is Aries and Martial, by the way. So again, that Mars comes back in an interesting um descriptor way of where where some of your focal focus might be. You know, if I had seen this chart day when you were uh you know a 20-year-old saying, Alexander, what career might I pursue? One of the things that would have crossed my mind would have been anything involving either martial processes or or action or body work or surgery or needles. I mean, this is a classic chart of an acupuncturist with that Saturn rising. Saturn deals with the dermis, all the skeletal structure, uh cartilage, teeth. It's uh it's all about uh sort of functional bony structural prominences of the body itself, that the how the body is structurally formed and structurally maneuvered, you know, how structurally motivated, you know. So things like Alexander technique, other body process techniques come to mind. And acupuncture, you know, I commonly will see charts of clients who are acupuncturists with a prominent Mars, which Day has in his chart. So

Leaving Corporate For Bodywork

SPEAKER_00 1:12:20

I would have thought, gee, this guy might be a doctor who's in charge of himself, who's emotional, moon cancer, focusing on you know Jupiter, uh that Jupiter that's out of bounds, that Mars, that moon that's almost out of bounds, you know, going beyond the norm, out of bounds, in service to of a higher nature, Jupiter. You know, Jupiter uh is the symbol when a doctor writes a script and they draw that little script symbol, they don't know, but they're drawing Jupiter. Usually it's upside down Jupiter glyph, um, but they're invoking Jupiter Zeus for healing. And I've never met a doctor, not yet, who knows that every time they draw that little symbol, they're invoking Zeus, uh Jupiter-Zeus for healing. Uh, I haven't met one. Also, uh Jupiter in Vedic and uh Tibetan astrology is called guru. They don't call it Greco-Roman, they call it guru. Uh GU meaning maya or delusion or di disconnection, and RU meaning illumination. So here it suggests he might, through intellect and through study, and through expert and through expertise and through being a professor. You haven't told me if you've ever been a professor or a teacher, but this chart is a classic for a teacher professor. It says that you have a universal Uranus rising in a kind of guru fashion, out of bounds, again, almost out of with a moon. So plexel, tuning in in your gut mind, using the gut mind as a tuning fork, if you will, and that that Mars as action, it might be either through needles or it might be through hands or through fingers, but I'm going to think your digits are probably very, very significant in in your work. So I'm wondering what you might say about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

So I'm a rock climber and I'm a body worker. So my fingers climb and they feel that sensitivity of all the stuff I just spoke about in the last segment. So I have some rock climber friends and I'm working on their bodies because I'm good at what I do and they enjoy it a lot because they get released of the tension. But the question often comes up, says, hey, dude, I mean, your fingers are like uh, you know, strong. Is that because you do this all day, or is it because you rock climb? So it's just, but you can't really separate the two. But that brings up a key point. I can't work too hard, otherwise I'll fall apart. So there's a softness to my work that has to be present, so I take care of everything. And there's a softness to how I climb, so I take care of my fingers. Because some people get tendinitis or they get problems, and I just don't climb that hard to screw up anything in my body. I value this thing way too much. So there's a softness about the climbing. In other words, you've got to find the easy door for the climb. The same thing with the body, too. I don't want to just plow through something. I want to find the easy door. And in that space, there's a relaxation that happens, and then the body kind of does the work. So there's this way I look at these everything to find um um a pathway through without having to pow pow my way open. Uh and again, you know, I can't have that ego presentation because it's not me that's doing anything here. I have to sort of get a sign, a signal, um, something to work with something all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:19

Well, you are a zero Virgo son, right on the border of Leo, Leo, Leo, the individual, the the king or the one who directs self. We can think of Barack Obama or Bill Clinton, Leo, famous Leo figures who direct who are have a directive presence. But then you're a Virgo. And who do we know who I think is one of the more famous Virgos? Mother Teresa. There's an element of Virgo people. I have a Virgo rising, Virgo moon, Virgo sun for you. Virgos, there's something in their character structure, maybe their family is you know part of the undoubtedly part of the soup of it, but um an identification of service. Mother Teresa, this idea of service. Of you know, the self Leo in service to something beyond self, and that is Virgo. So Virgo is called the sign of heal the healer. Of all the twelve zodiac signs, it is the the one who's of service and heals through nutrifying, nurturing, feeding the body in any number of ways. That's the Virgo and quality that you of course have. And you know, Virgo is also about um perfection. There's an element of bringing to some something or skills to it, to some kind of you know, per seeking perfection, seeking, seeking the perfect flow. And so we could say that Mars taking action and your mental focus too. Again, North Node, the the uh the Dharma. The Dharma is getting that martial action reined in in Capricorn of all the signs where it's exalted. So so it's like perfect, it's right action. It's that right action of the martial artist, it's the right action of the surgeon or neurosurgeon, it's the right action of the body worker. It's really, you know, just inter interact the right action of the claimer, you know, just just the right action, just the right foothold, toe hold, just the right, you know, piton, or just the right um, you know, what do you call the gadgets that have a the open for rock climbing? Using using the right action is a is a key factor in in this chart. So if people want to reach you, Dave, I want to add in something now.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:27

Oh, please. The Virgo as healing happens, or the healer, or someone who heals, and yet it's be careful with that one because um one really has to be to be present and it happens. So some people call me a healer, and that means I'm gonna do something. It implies I'm gonna do something. So I always you know take that, it's fine. You know, thank I'm I'm glad you got some success and some benefit, but I don't mean to negate it and you know say it's any less. But I do want to recognize that you know you did this. You know, you did this healing on yourself because maybe I th directed it in some way and found something and saw something and recognized it. And I says, Oh, I can think this might have a beneficial, you know, nudge or a piece or something. Even when you're working the crani bows, you feel how they move. But you might want to say, hey, you know, I don't think I think you could move a little bit more, it might be beneficial. So you might just hang there for a second and nudge it slightly to see what it says in response, and then wait and just see where it goes. So, and yet you need a name to um show your craft. You've got to have a shingle on the house. So I got this thing called day-to-day healing. It's a play in my name. So my name is Day, and today, so how about you go see Day today and you get some healing? So, but you're gonna bring the healing in, perhaps, or the healing might happen because you're ready for it. And and that's sort of what I tried to do um with that name.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:43

I I love it. I love it, and I love the fact that you're sharing, you know, the the actual healing, uh, that's something interactive between you and and and client patient, but it's also just the human neural, the human individual healing, the pro the healing itself is something beyond any doing or beyond any doership. So you're also acknowledging, you know, the actual healing is something, you know, one can invoke it, one can promote it, one can direct it, uh, or direct the body, but the process of healing, well, it's rather like the process of the sun, the process of consciousness. You know, coming to consciousness is what every incarnation's about, and and how we do that, that that's uh the game is about mindfulness. And so I'm sure what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:31

This has been a huge education for me to have you go through my chart like that. I mean, this has been exquisite. I've other other people go through my charts and they often will talk focus on uh the tensions that have been in my life, the learning that's been in my life, the trauma that's been in my life, all these things, like you know, it must be whatever, you know, blah, blah. How how did this play out? Uh so all of that, of course, has happened. There has been a lot of decades, but it's wonderful to sit in this place where I've found home, I found something I adore, and I have this um huge level of confidence and faith and I mean kind of fearlessness, but it's like, sure, you know, you can go anywhere with this because the the tools, um, there's there's a command, as you say, I do things with uh precision, but there's a command uh with the tool craft skill that I've learned that I can um feel you know capable.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:19

Uh uh absolutely. And you know, but that that is also um you know part and parcel, you know, what what I what I what I think everyone's life is about. I I think there's the inner and the outer, there's the uh circumstance of birth and family and society and the gestalt that we're you know, the time we're born in, the time period you're born in, those born in World War I or World War II or Vietnam, we're right now in the 2020s, you know, we're we're we're all part and parcel, interweaving, interwoven, and yet at the same time there is that consciousness. There's the individuated consciousness. And so there's that interactive play, there's that interactive

Healing Without Ego And How To Reach

SPEAKER_00 1:20:55

experience. You know, that as while all of us are born on planet earth, we are we are earthed here. And that's why I say your chart describes kind of your earthing, your spirit, you know, being earthed into a family system, and yet it's still individuated. It's individuated, and ultimately it's consciousness. You know, so the great great thinkers like Parhamantha Yogananda said, you know, your your chart is nothing compared to your conscious awareness of self.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:21

So I should have added one more sentence too. Um, yes, a lot of things did happen in my life. Um, and there are many, many years of not feeling confident competent, not feeling confident, um, feeling very unsure of what I'm doing. And it's fun for me to see the contrast of what that life feels like, also.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:39

Yeah, and I guess my my point of my programs in general and and maybe all my work is to talk about how our roadmap, our birth chart uh roadmap of self, can be a descriptive roadmap. You know, they can help objectify very complex themes in our lives, the the challenging, difficult, you know, oftentimes trauma-based things we go through, as well as the you know, the the gift that we we inherently possess, or maybe even that our some of our challenges, traumas even, can promote the coming to awareness of of what can be a gift. What has been initially a challenge can become a gift. You know, and I think that probably uh for you probably manifest, for example, uh in rock climbing. You know, what starts off as a challenge often manifests as a as a as a as a gift and an awareness of the gift. I I guess I want to just again say this correlations. Every one of the things you've done in your life, these things that you brought up just for today's highlights, mind you, you know, from the you know, devising a mechanism for helicopter pilots to be psychically, emotionally tuned into the to this incredible power that they're flying. That's uh you know, uh both a savior as well as maybe you know could be dangerous as all hell. You know, that's so it's the cutting edge of the danger, the cutting edge of Mount Katahdin on the on the the ray the razor back of the mountain, you know, like the cutting edge of consciousness and and and healing, uh, and also sometimes the other, you know, sometimes uh you know, making a mistake and and falling off the rock or you know, putting things the piton in the wrong way at the wrong time, the wrong place. There's the subtleties of consciousness. Um but our charts describe this dance of of the potential of consciousness and coming to consciousness and in in ways where that dance is particularly zeroed in on uh in our lives. So tell people a little bit how they can reach you, Dave.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:32

Sure. I just want to follow up because you said roadmap astrology. Um I said I discovered it and never really finished that sentence, so you know, you Uranus uh coming halfway around, I sort of discovered it. But there are major life changes happening, and I just reached out for something, and sure enough, that showed up and I said, Wow, that's pretty interesting. So that opened the door to all of that. Uh, and then I have used that often since to say, you know, I think I'm getting something, but there's something I don't think I'm getting. And maybe I'll go look at a chart or ask someone, maybe like you, to help, you know, to to to do a little fine-tuning of of what that's going to be for the next um decade or the next month or the next uh year. It could be with a relationship or it could be with a boss or it could be with uh what I want to do next in my um my my skills. It's it's just it's been fun to uh include that. And I um and I just can tie that all the way back to sixth grade when I was doing that science project with that telescope because there's this cosmos and we're all a part of it, and it's a beautiful thing to be.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:26

Right. The the inner the inner and outer cosmos, exactly. And are you believing?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:30

Okay now. If you look at my last name, it's Atchison, but take it apart. A-C-H-E, what does that spell? Ake. Ake. And then you got an S-O-N. So you got Johnson, their son of John. You got you know, everybody's son of something. So Atchison comes from uh Scotland, I think. There was an art uh a farmer named Archie, so it was Archison, Archison, Atchison, Acheson. So then that's came along. But then my dad gives me this name Atchison, and here I am working on what I'm working on, which is I'm the son of Ache.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:56

So the son of Ache, and of course, you know, you are Virgo, the healer, and you are there with with Ophiouchus uh and Asclepius and Hygia right next to you. I can join your son exactly. You know, the the the the the ache and and uh around what might occasionally ache for people, uh maybe the even the ache of of aliveness, you know, the ache of the ache to to express self and to to come to self.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:18

Yeah, that's pretty sweet. Yeah, thank you. So there's a website there. There's uh there's a blog page of the website with a bunch of my stories about life, uh how the physiology works and what we can do to do better. So you just read that and you get a lot of info right away. Uh there's a shop I have in Dorset, Vermont. Um, it's not really next door to any major city. So uh, and I don't travel, so um, you can come see me. There's a phone number. Uh texting works fine. Email comes off of that website.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:44

Uh and I'm I'm guessing you might do some remote work as well, as many healers do.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:49

Yeah, uh, I don't really have a platform for that. You asked if I taught, and I have uh I taught my way through graduate school with geophysics and geology and geochemistry. I did all the labs for the undergraduates. Um, not all. Of course you do.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:00

Of course you did. In your case. Of course you did.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:03

And I've um been involved with some teaching things. Uh Jin Chinjutsu is something that I love, and I I have a um a self-help um class with that. But it um it's it's it's language now. I sort of work one-on-one pretty much with everybody. And I've done a few Zooms during the COVID thing, but it's not something that's a very large part of my my life. It it's mostly um in in in uh uh personal face-to-face kind of work. And people do travel for hours to come see me. This is true.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:29

Well, that's uh they're blessed to do so. Thank you so much, Day, for for sharing yourself with us today. You are indeed uh an extraordinary person in an extraordinary life and an extraordinary world. So please, everyone, if you want to reach out today or uh have some wonderful healing body work with Day, you you can reach him here at 413-822-1092. That's again area code 413-8221092. And uh, if you're uh watching on YouTube, you can use the QR code there that's shown. And of course, too, um anybody who is interested in booking with me, by all means, please you can go to my QR code and go to my website, astrologespirit.com, and uh hopefully we'll have uh we'll have Day come back another time for another program and discussion. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:23

I realize you said this is audio for some people, so the website's there, but I should say what it is. It's day-today, d-a-y, t- o d a y a c e s o n dot com. No, I'm sorry, I did it wrong. We put the slide up again. Sure. Sure. Oh, day-todayhealing.com. Yeah, d-a y t o d-a-y, and then healing, h d a l-in g.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:46

So if they go to day-todayhealing.com, they'll find you. Day-to-day healing.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:51

And you know, you can reach me if you want to go climbing sometime too. That would be fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:55

Never, never a dull moment with day. He's got that Mars going or that quick merge. Mercury or the quick moon going. There's always something cooking. Good for you, Dave.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:03

Alexander, I think you're the best. I really appreciate seeing you again and doing this. It was a real treat for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:08

Uh likewise. Likewise, you're you're you're another amazing individual, and we so are lucky to have you here healing and serving us. Thank you, dear Day. Look forward to seeing you greatly. Blessings. Take care. Bye bye. Bye, folks. See you again.