An Aries Story: From Yankees pitcher to Zen Artist ~

A blind date, a turn of fate, and within one meeting, astrology reveals a life partnership!

That’s where our conversation with Wyatt Fellows begins, and it only gets bigger from there. 

Using Wyatt’s natal chart, Alexander translates his astrological indicators into lived experience: seasons at birth, family imprinting, and why astrologers look for 'cycles and potentials' instead of treating chartwork like a fixed prediction.

Wyatt’s chart is packed with Aries energy, including a powerful Aries stellium and Mars as a final chart-dispositor, so we follow the through-line of action, courage, and constant intentional life-reinvention. 

He shares stories from being drafted by the New York Yankees and throwing 97 mph, to the rotator cuff injury that ended his baseball dream, to grooving at Woodstock during the 1969 "summer of love", to rebuilding through marathon running, protest leadership during the Vietnam era with the likes of Jane Fonda at Berkeley, to being a teacher and guide coaching schoolkids. We also connect key astrology signatures like Uranus rising, a focal Jupiter as “guru,” and tension patterns like T-squares to the way his life keeps evolving.

The later life chapters get deeply human: A NYC newspaper Union Job with years of fending off underworld power-plays, followed by rebirthing himself as a multi-talented artist; Wyatt creates masterworks in photography & woodworking, and Zen gardens replete with sculptures and grand torii gates, framing a dramatic Colorado mountain landscape! 

Wyatt also shares one of his many moving poems, opening a conversation about presence, spiritual practice, and choosing quality of life over fear... in facing a medical crisis. 

If you’re searching for examples of Astrology in practice, and stories of spiritual resilience, ... this one stays with you.

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Transcript

Birth Charts As Seasonal Imprints

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Welcome again to another episode of Astrology Off the Charts, Cosmic Insights and the Extraordinary Lives of Ordinary People. I am your host, Alexander Malin, and today we have another wonderful show and a wonderful guest. Our guest is Wyatt Fellows, and he'll tell you about himself in a moment. For those of you who might not be astrologically scholarly and astrologically versed, it's good to kind of go back to some of the roots of what we're doing here. What is a chart and discussing someone's personal chart or talking about our charts? It's good to remember that we're all uh each of us all uh born into a uh a season. Uh your your sun sign is like your season sign. That's what I tell my clients. Your sun sign is your season sign. That's the best way to understand it. You know, a baby is arriving during during a certain season, winter, spring, summer, fall. And that season not only is imprinting the child, but it's also in printing mom and dad. So, you know, for mom, having a baby come out of her body is about as human an event as you can have. It's uh it's really about that season, during a blizzard or during the summertime pool party, as I often say with my clients. So, this idea that we're all born during winter, spring, summer, or fall, the birth chart is like a roadmap of the soul. It describes our personal arrival into a mom and dad family system or whatever situation you're born into. The chart does describe those cycles and that cycle of season. It's good to remember, too, that um these cycles are universal. So there are four primary uh cycles of seasons winter, spring, summer, fall, and there are also four uh intermediate uh seasons, the Celtic seasons, across quarter days, like the most famous that we know still is uh Halloween, for instance. So Halloween and opposite springtime or spring day, May Day, Beltane. So this goes back to you know early fire and stars sort of stuff. It's fundamental in all world religions. This observance and experience of the environment around us, even the eight-spoked dharma wheel of Tibetan Buddhism. Similar to that uh cross-coder days calendar, the the eight seasons or subseasons of the Celtic Cross, talk about one's nature and being in nature. So today uh we'll meet our guest in a moment, Wyatt, fellows. He's born as an Aries, a big bundle of planets and Aries here, April 14th of 1949, 9:30 in the morning in Brooklyn, New York. This is our guest. So let's go to that um connection here and and meet Wyatt. Now

Meet Wyatt And Jacqueline

SPEAKER_03 2:51

we have another little bit unusual circumstance where um Wyatt's lovely spouse, Jacqueline's with us. Hi, Jacqueline. Hi, and she's here a little bit because she speaks astro a bit. She's she's got a little more astro chops than than Wyatt. And when we start digging into Wyatt's chart, uh sometimes it's helpful to make sure that the client knows astrology a little bit, or maybe they want to you know throw some ideas out. And so we're all gonna kick it around today. So welcome, Wyatt, welcome Jacqueline. It's great to have you. So so glad you came back.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Great to be here.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

So I believe that um Wyatt might share a little uh little storyline here that we we we folks do go back. Uh I I know Wyatt and I know Jacqueline for a very, very many years now. Um, and of course, Jacqueline's uh sister was a fantastic astrologer and friend of mine and a brilliant uh astrological practitioner in her own right. So, Jacqueline, you've kind of developed some astro chops of your own a little bit over the years.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

That's right, she has a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

A little bit and so um why you had a kind of fun story, if I can uh invite you to share um as you think about you.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Yeah, it I thought we would start with this because, like you said, you know, we've known each other for 26 years, you and I, and I met you through Jacqueline, and it's turned out that I had just gotten divorced in

Penny Saver Blind Date Origins

SPEAKER_00 4:19

1999, and then I started uh dating, and I put I put an ad in the Penny Saver, which people who don't know what that is, it was a little magazine that where you would buy and sell things um every week it would come out, and it had a little bit of uh uh personal ads, so you could try to fight and meet someone. I I put a little ad in there, I was hearing from different people, and it wasn't working out. I finally heard from Jacqueline here. This, of course, is 26 years ago, and um we decided after conversation, we had a lot in common, that we were gonna meet. We were gonna have a blind date at a neutral town in Long Island at a restaurant, which we did. And as it as it turned out, you were at her house at that that night with Jacqueline's sister, and uh she was going on the date, which we did, and we met, and we started talking about millions of things about our lives, and Jacqueline asked me about my sign. I said, Well, I'm born in April 14th, and she said, What time? And I said, I don't know. So I had she had me calling my mother like 9:30, 10 o'clock at night, uh, calling my mother to find out when I was born, which she relayed back to you. So we had that date. I was working at the New York Times and I worked night. So we uh took off, it was a snowstorm. Um, she went home and I went to work. And I thought, wow, that was really nice. She's really great. And then I didn't know this at the time, but maybe Jacqueline will follow through on what happened when you got home with Alexander.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Right. I came home, I gave Alexander your birth information. He looked at it and he said, Oh my god, this guy's gonna want to marry you.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Which we did.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

You fit his ideal woman.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I said, Alexander, don't tell me that. I just met him. I don't want to, you know, have that in my head. And guess what?

SPEAKER_00 6:43

We've been married since ever since.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

So that was remarkable, Alexander.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

If I recall, you know, the the other day you were recounting some of this fun story. Um, I think you said that I also described his character, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:56

And you described me physically. You said you said he was tall, athletic, blondish hair. How do you know that? Jack Lewis saying pretty funny, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:09

Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, so these charts are pretty pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

So you predicted our relationship. You saw it, you saw it in the stars. You did see it.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

Well, you know, I I have a personal uh uh groove where I I oftentimes with clients talk about the dirty P word prediction. I I really don't like to look at that. That's not the word I like to use. You know, I I'm I'm looking at cycles,

Chemistry In Synastry Not Prediction

SPEAKER_03 7:35

uh cycles of character structure, cycles of of family background, you know, I'm looking at potentials, and you know, of course, the cycles don't ever tell me for sure what any of us are gonna ever like do because that's always free will, thank god. Yeah, yeah, but there is kind of like you know, habituation and habit and and our are likely sort of like with our family, a familial style or line of least resistance. So, you know, those are all things to consider, but yeah, in this case, if I recall, you know, almost 30 years ago, uh, indeed, I remember being there and it hit me like a ton of bricks. You know, this this chart is like this woman is this guy's ideal woman, and he's that's it, he's he's been his wife. They're they're gonna they're they're gonna this is gonna be you know a marriage, I believe. I didn't know for a complete fact, yeah, but you know, it it was there between your charts that you know fixings in the chemistry is is so powerful, and that is one truism of um sinistry or comparing charts, like you are doing dating things, it it can actually you know cut through a lot of a lot of challenges when you say gee, I'm I'm in a dating app and I'm looking at this person. Gee, I had how did I have two dates here? What do you think? How does this flow? And the chart will tell us you know where the automatic flow might be, where we can uplift each other, where there might be a little challenge, and or where there might be like you know, out and out, like either we're just not at all in the same ballpark or same universe, or we were out and out really are challenging, like too challenging. There has to be a good amount of flow, yeah, a good amount of upliftment, and you know, even a good amount of um of encouragement to growth for a relationship to to succeed and go forward. But if there's too much drag, or if we're just too dissident and not on the same page, you know, and there's no there's no auto flow. You you have to be able to go into sort of autopilot mode in a relationship. You can't be on guard or mindful of relating all the time. You know, there has to be those those uh factors that flow.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

I also want to say, Alexander, that you looked at the chart maybe 10-15 minutes, and you said he is gonna be like a knight for you. He's gonna be loyal, he's gonna be your protector. And uh wow, that's that's what my husband is.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

Well, as we go forward, we have some wonderful, some wonderful slide pictures, some pictures that um that Wyatt has sent for us to to share of his journey and his life. And and of course, you know, for those who speak Astro, um, you know, how his chart, you know, mirrors this. So one of the first things that we're gonna look at with this April 14, 49 uh morning birth, 9 30 in the morning, um,

Aries Stellium And Final Dispositor Mars

SPEAKER_03 10:26

is that big bundle uh in Aries at the top of this chart. Um, he's got uh a Mars and Venus and Sun and North Node and Mercury all clustered together in a in a grouping or stellium at the top of his chart. You'll notice, folks, that though who know astrology, I'm using a little slight offset chart here from the norm, illustrating that time of day and kind of really where the where the ecliptic is, where the zodiac is relative to local horizon. So when you use that um proportional houses, it really gives us the astronomical map, like the visible, what what the uh uh observing astronomer, astrologer sees. And notice how high in the sky that Venus Mars was with that sun um at this moment of his birth. That's of course, for an astrologer descriptive. For an astronomer, the astronomer says that's accurate, you know, in terms of standing on this horizontal line, standing on the earth and seeing what you see. But for the astrologer, interpretively, it's a it's a really important factor we'll talk about today.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Right.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

So it's also important for people who are studying astrology to recognize too, this time of birth I just alluded to, you know, a midnight baby is a different experience for mom and dad than a daytime baby. You know, a sunrise baby is different from a sunset baby. And so that time of day is certainly, if nothing else, not only is it imprinting the child, but it's imprinting mom and dad. You know, if you come along in the middle of the night, you know, where where are we normally in the middle of the night? We're in our beds. Where if we'll do if we're delivering a baby during the middle of the night, most couples will bring that baby home nowadays to bed with them. Or if you're born during the day, as why it was, it's very common that parents will, one or both, will still continue working. So, what's the imprint for mom and dad about this child? It's infused with job or outer world issues. It might also be that mom and dad are having you know job efforts that are going to be coincident with that day. And if it's anything big, then that will be important. I always say that I literally um had a client who was uh you know in in labor. She was in labor uh and she was trying to close a real estate deal simultaneously on her phone. So, what's the import for that child? But also, what's the import for mom and or dad about that child? If that deal goes great, well, there's an unconscious connection. You know, I mean, humans uh I've learned over these many decades of practicing that humans are always one thing which is emotional beings. We we are feeling emotive beings and we internalize so much. So the time of day is really important. Right's chart has a couple of really standout things for me as we start digging into the chart, Wyatt. Our personal birth chart is a map of our own nature and cycles of our growth. So why it's 1949 springtime birth, think about that's a springtime baby springing into action. It's you know, typically Aries is about six months or five months of winter that have just gone through before the baby's birth. Or you could say, Mom carried this baby the last trimester through the winter time, and now the springtime, you know, we're ready to give birth always. You know, you're nine months pregnant, you're ready to give birth, as as uh by all means uh Jacqueline can describe as a lady herself. When you're nine months pregnant, man, you're you're ripe and ready at nine months, and you know, when it's the springtime, thank god it's not you know, there's no blizzard, like you're ready to like get on with it and move forward. So that's why it's nature. He's born the 24th degree of Aries, his son, or the 24th day of Aries, and six more days, he would have been born a taurus. So, in the in the curve or or cycle of nature, he's almost a Taurus, he's an Aries, but with a lot of Taurian intensity in him. Uh, he also has that major grouping of planets that stellium in Aries at the top of his chart. In Wyatt's chart, something unusual is I'll show you again the chart. Mars is the final dispositor of this chart, it's in its own home sign. To have a final dispositor, you have to have one planet that's in its own home sign of domicile or rulership. And in this case, uh, since Wyatt has Mars, his ruling planet of Aries, in its own home sign of Aries. So why it's got a Sun-Mars conjunction, that means, right? So why it's got his Mars and Aries, uh, therefore, too, it disposes of, meaning every planet in the chart and its connection comes back to Aries. You know, Jupiter and Aquarius, ruled by Uranus and Gemini, ruled by ruled by Mercury, Gemini, Mercury is an Aries, Aries is ruled by Mars. So everything in this chart inevitably comes back to a final dispositor, one planet that like hyper-governs this whole nature, and that is Mars, the planet of action and of athleticism, and of personal power, and of knighthood, and of the sword. Jacqueline, you mentioned the knight, he's your knight in shining armor. Also, too, in this chart, we have Jupiter, or as I call it in Tibetan and Vedic astrology, guru. He's got Jupiter as a singleton planet all by itself. I'll show you that again. Lastly, or one of the last couple of things, the sun is conjunct the asteroid Icarus. And Icarus is the one who made the wings and flew too close to the sun. So Icarus implies people who are into skydiving, hang gliding, motorcycles, power. It's it's a it's really again sort of like that sun, that powerful, independent flight kind of personality, someone who you know marches to the beat of their own drummer. It's intensifying that Mars domicile, that final dispositor. Mars is also right next to Venus. So the principle of masculine and feminine are what are melded together. The principle of reception and being receptive and artistically creative with action are melded together in this chart. And then lastly, folks, that moon and mercury are very fast in motion. So for everybody, when we're born, our planets might be either very fast or very slow or something in between. But in this chart, it just happens to say to mean that that Mercury is moving really quick from day from day to day. So there's a very quick Mercurial mind. And since the moon is the plexlor gut mind, and the moon is also really fast, then this is a person who moves through things that are like really rapidly. He's got a really quick mind. He can adjust and adapt to things super, super fast. So this Mars disposing of everything, this guru is singleton, the Sun Icarus, you know, uh this independence, uh, and this very fast Mercury moon. So this is a guy who moves who moves through a lot of stuff really super super fast. And if it's not moving fast for him, he will freaking move it. If it doesn't wish to move, he'll make it move. And that that probably sounds a little familiar, right, why?

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Yeah, quite. Yeah. I used to say that I was a um you know, the that's expression about being a master of none, but trying everything out.

Fast Mind Risk And Rock Climbing

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Well, in my young life, that's what it was. I just tried everything, you know. There was there was nothing I didn't try, uh, whether it was uh woodworking, whether it was skydiving, whether it was mountain. You did you did skydive. I did. Um, you know, right after, well, you know, to back up a little bit, of course, um I signed um I was we're gonna come to this without thinking.

SPEAKER_03 18:24

So hold on.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

I so I I mean, just uh as a prerequisite, yes, uh when after my baseball career was over and I was going to school, uh I used to go up to a place upstate New York called the Gunks.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

And you know that is Jacqueline went to school there, and um it's a uh it's a haven for mountain climbing and rock climbing, mostly rock climbing, and also for skydiving. So um that's I would go up there on the weekends and we would tent up there and we would climb rocks. Uh we did all the gunk uh trails up the mountains, up the sides of the rocks, and then we also skydive depending on which weekend it was. So, you know, that's part of it.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Well, I once we get to the we got some pictures of this, but I so I here's something I didn't know until then. So were you into technical climbing, rock climbing?

SPEAKER_00 19:21

Yes, uh technical rock climbing. Uh, myself and two other uh friends of mine who I grew up with, we all three of us got into technical rock climbing.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

In in the gunks, because the gunks folks uh if you don't know the Schwang Mountains near Woodstock, New York, the gunks are world famous for climbers, 300 uh 300 foot uh you know sheer cliffs. Um and my last guest in astrology off the charts, um, if you happen to tune into it yourselves, was is also a climber, and he's got pictures from himself on the gunks climbing in his chart of primary Mars, where your Jupiter is as the singleton in your chart, his Mars singleton, and he's another rock climber, uh motorcycle guy, uh you know, all those things. So it's it's interesting how that Mars plays out, man. Big time. It it's again the chart's a mirror, it's not making uh Wyatt do these things, it's showing us uh descriptively that he may do that. So before we go further, and you're and some slides for you to flesh out. Uh, one of the things each chart can have a gestalt. I like looking at these just these chart patterns. Um, rather than digging into the details, you know, Aries or Jupiter or Uranus here or the moon in Scorpio. Uh, we can also just look at the pattern. You know, what does it look like? Some people's chart gestalt or pattern will have every planet bundled together. That'll be one character structure of a person who's intensely bundled in one area. Well, here, or rather, I should also add, we might have a chart that like has a big bundle or maybe two big bundles. So we've got like an opposition, in which case we have what's called a seesaw chart. So these chart gestalts can talk about you know generalities. So with a seesaw chart, like you know, a bundle here, bundle there, um, opposite each other. You can even think of like a full moon being part of that. Uh, it's somebody who can you know have a duality, a dual nature, or kind of swing between two poles of their life. Well, this chart they call a splay chart or triad chart, some call it that. Whoops, and so there are three primary sort of bundles in this chart that are really highlighting this chart. Uh, and they say with a splay chart, you know, when you go to the uh you know the video tapes or you go to the you know the astrology one-on-one, uh, there are three to five planet groupings in a splay chart that give the chart the appearance of a spoked wheel, having you know key key areas. Each spoke can span two or three houses or signs. A single planet may be a spoke, providing it appears within a group. Um the native will display interest and talents unrelated to one another. Um, they may have, in other words, multiple talents, multiple careers. Multiple skills and skill sets. And we we're hearing that with why with why our guest. So there's a refusal oftentimes to be compartmentalized. Yet the native has the ability to utilize other areas to bring about a purposeful self-expression. Yeah, I think that issue of not wanting to be uh stuck in one compartment of life or or or shoved into one little identity. That's a very um common phenomenon with people who have a splay or triad chart. They they they do, as you said, Wyatt, a number of different things, maybe very well, but but they also really need that freedom. So as we go down the story here of Wyatt's life, here we've got a couple of pictures here. You want to share with us what we're looking at, Wyatt, and with the audience who's listening, because some will some will be some will be watching us on YouTube and some listening on podcast.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Well, this is uh this is an unusual photograph because you wouldn't associate that photograph with

Woodstock Memory And Cultural Timing

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Woodstock being that.

SPEAKER_03 23:01

But so tell us that you were at Woodstock.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

I was at Woodstock concert. We got there uh two days early because we knew the traffic was gonna this is 19 for those of you know who are too young.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

This is 1969. Yep, this was a this is one of the maybe the iconic most famous iconic moment of the 1960s movement, right? Peace and freedom, right? And the entire peace and freedom hippie movement, you could say, was like encapsulated in this this huge three-day music fest. And you could think of some famous people that were there. Who could you tell us musically who was there?

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Oh, everybody was there. I mean, uh from the Who to uh well, you could help me out with that one. Uh 10 years after Jimmy Hendricks, Jimi Hendrix, um uh Crosby Stills Nash and Young, Joni Mitchell, uh Joni Mitchell, um uh what's his name? Uh Santana, Carlos.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

That was one of his first names.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

Uh yeah, there was probably uh you know Richie Havens was there, Jefferson Airplane, Pete Seeger. These bands, you're the people that are watching probably go, who are they? Well, if you go back to the 60s, those people would know who they are.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

So now I'm trying to think, was Pete Seeger there as well?

SPEAKER_00 24:25

Uh no, Pete Seeger was not there.

SPEAKER_03 24:27

Oh, just Richie.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Um Canned Heat was there, The Grateful Dead, you know, there's and on and on and on. I I could just go on and name all the at that time, all of the famous rock bands from England and from the U.S.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

So explain this picture up in the upper left corner.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

These are these are all Brooklyn boys. Um one, two, three, four, five of us. We drove up there in a van, and we we were we got there early, and we found a place to uh park our van and be at a an advantage point close to the top where we could see down to the stage. And people might remember, even if they didn't weren't there, but they can remember from the film that it rained a lot constantly. So this particular day was the second day, and it started pouring. So we went into the wooded area, and while we were walking through the wooded area, we found a cabin that was locked up, nobody was living in it. And of course, these guys are from Brooklyn, so they knew how to break in. So we got in and to get out of get out of the rain, and uh someone found uh these these guns, these rifles in the closet. So we said, hey, let's go outside and take a picture. I mean, it would be perfect Woodstock picture when you think of you know music and love, you know, companionship, and here's a group of people standing there with guns from Brooklyn. Of course, it was a joke. We put the guns away and we locked up the cabin, and when the rain stopped, we just joined everybody else in the mud and had a had a great time.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

So so that that was uh an iconic photograph of your Woodstock uh concert adventure. Were you there the whole three days?

SPEAKER_00 26:34

We were there actually five days, almost six, because Hendrix um Jimi Hendrix played at six o'clock in the morning on Monday morning. Wow, and a lot of people were leaving on Sunday, Sunday night. So when Jimi Hendrix came on, um maybe half, maybe more than half the people had already left. So we were right up front, standing right in front, watching Jimi Hendrix playing.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

The Star Spangled Banner.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

And he finished it with the Star Spangled Banner, his favorite uh Star Spangled Banner. And there is a movie, I'm actually in the movie. Uh, if there's a scene where you're gonna see someone holding on to the back of a car on a skateboard going through the street, and uh, if you look carefully, that's me on the skateboard.

SPEAKER_03 27:27

I had no idea. Well, I next time I look at this is is this in the movie?

SPEAKER_00 27:31

The in the movies the original Woodstock movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

The original cut. Wow. Well, I am gonna have to look for Wyatt and see if I can see that. That's uh I had no idea. Well, you you never cease to surprise us, Wyatt, with your incredible. So we're gonna loop back, folks, about uh even even Woodstock and how Wyatt's chart might mirror that he'd be a kind of person who would who would you know who would uh find himself in this kind of situation. It's both certainly the Venus, the arts at the top of his chart, the career area, and the Venus next to his son, the artist, the the Mars with the Sun, you know, the even the even the guns, the rifles, as you said, you know, three days of love and brotherhood and sisterhood and guns. Uh they say governs guns, so it's kind of a funny little um a little uh meme there almost by today's standards.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Well, that's really interesting, and I guess that's 1969, so it was a little different time, of course, as via the Vietnam War was raging on.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

So well, we're actually in cycles right now that are very comparable, uh similar astrologically to uh World War II, especially, and even to um 1960s and Vietnam era. I mean, we are in another right now, we're in another conflict, uh, of course, uh, when this is being recorded with Iran right now. Um, so here in 2026. So that's yeah, it's kind of a you know, yeah. Here we all are. So tell us about these photos that we have and again explain to the to the audience who's listening in uh you know on podcast, not watching.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Sure. Well, you know, going back now, um I was uh as a young person, I mean, I'm talking about a child, I was uh a fanatic for baseball. I love baseball.

Baseball Obsession Yankees Draft

SPEAKER_00 29:26

And even um, you know, I had uh my parents had broken up, so I didn't have two parents in the house. So I had to bring myself uh to the fields to play baseball. In fact, I went up to in those days in New York, it's Brooklyn, uh, baseball was uh sponsored by a precinct, which was a police department. And I um the 64th precinct was in Brooklyn, Bay Ridge, and so at the age of eight, I took a bus, went to the precinct, and joined, got myself on a baseball team, and just kept playing, you know, right up until uh I got into high school. And I I could see that I was excelling, and I had uh scouts. Scouts are these people that uh belong to professional baseball teams, and they come to watch high school players who might be potential uh major league baseball players. So they want to sign you if they feel they could, you know, that's gonna help them, and it's gonna help, of course, me. So from the time I was a sophomore junior, and especially my senior year, I mean, I would have 10, 15 scouts at every game, which put a lot of pressure on me, of course, because I had to perform in front of them. You know, these were guys who were watching me to see if they wanted to sign me. And uh in 1967, you could see that picture back there with number 30 on my back. That was my senior year in high school. And in June of 67, I just turned obviously 18. I turned in April, 18 years old. And I was drafted by the New York Yankees. And um I was drafted by other teams, but the Yankees drafted me the lowest. So how it works is the team that drafts you the lowest is the team you have to sign with. Or if you don't, you're gonna have to wait another year to go in a special draft.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

And how fast was your uh pitch?

SPEAKER_00 31:44

So in my high school senior year, I'll just talk about that. Um, you know, I was like, I think I was uh 14 or 15-0. Uh my earn run average, if anyone is a baseball fan, was below one. It was 0.43, which means I averaged a half a run per game. I had uh three, four no-hitters and a bunch of one-hitters, and we won the championship. I went to Fort Hamilton High School, and we had won the championship for Brooklyn back then. And on June 6th or 8th, I got drafted. I had the scouts come to my house and negotiate a contract, and I signed with the Yankees. I think this picture here, if you see, it's from the New York Yankees. And that was the introduction to uh the Yankees introducing me to their organization. It's a little small, you might not be able to read that, but that was basically coming from the New York Yankees and the Bronx. You could see the address up there.

SPEAKER_03 32:57

Yeah, it's it's it's dated June 30th of 67.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Oh, June 30th, okay, 67. So uh they were uh they were in introducing me and then saying, you know, we're we we drafted you, we're glad to see you, we hope that your career um and we're gonna see you in the major leagues one day. That's basically what that letter was. So you were in you were in the minors at the yes, uh I was in the minor leagues. I was all like I said, I just turned 18. And so I signed a contract and went up to uh what they call the New York Penn League, which was A-ball, a high A-ball, and I went the Yankees at that time was a town called Oneta, which you might know, of course. People who live in New York knows where Oneonta is, as a state college there, university. And so uh I did go there and we I played that season, but um uh things were were going well uh after the first season in 67, between 67 before I went to spring training in 68. Uh I was playing football in a Brooklyn league just to keep myself in shape. And uh I got I hurt my shoulder, my pitching arm. I didn't think anything of

Rotator Cuff Injury And Lost Dream

SPEAKER_00 34:28

it at the time because I thought, well, you know, I got plenty of time before spring training. But when I got to spring training down in Fort Lauderdale, and after loosening up for a week, I realized that I was still in a lot of pain. And as it turned out, I had torn my rotator cuff. Now, I don't know if anyone knows about uh that particular injury for a major league pitcher.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

Well, I've also been there personally as a just as an astrologer, so you know oh ouch, but well, it it's it was worse for me because you know I could I was throwing in high school 97 miles an hour.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Wow. And um, you know, I had my my number one pitch was my curveball, but I could throw hard. And when in spring training uh in 60, ninth spring of 68, uh, even after I was totally loose for a week, week and a half, um, they noticed my velocity was way down, like 90, even 89, and they wanted to find out what was wrong. I was afraid to say anything. I certainly wasn't gonna tell them I played football. You know, so they went, I went for x-rays and they found my rotator cuff had been pulled, and everything was basically therapy at that time. There was no operation for in 1968, there was no such thing as an operation. So uh everything was therapy. So I lasted, uh I went through that season. I was on the DL a lot because I was in so much pain.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

But um you were still playing though, weren't you?

SPEAKER_00 36:14

I was still, yeah. I still 68.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Um were you in the were you in the minors still or the majors at this point?

SPEAKER_00 36:21

No, I was you know, I was still in the minor leagues because I was moving up. I had gotten to double A, which was the next step was triple A, and then you're in the majors right after that. So um, but it got things got worse in '68. I was on the DL a lot. I wasn't getting in there a lot because of my I was always in pain. And then I was released in 19 in spring of 69. I was released by the Yankees because of my injury. They just felt there was nothing they could do for me.

SPEAKER_03 36:54

Well, so it was just months after that you went to Woodstock.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

Oh, yeah. I came home. Uh, I tried to play a little, but I couldn't. It was just, you know, when you're when you've reached a certain pinnacle and then you go back to play sandlot baseball, it just it just doesn't do the same thing for you, you know. So anyway, uh yeah, that was that summer. We went to Woodstock. Uh, right after Woodstock, I went to California to go to college. And believe it or not, I got an opportunity. Um, I got a call from the at that time it was the California Angels and a professional team, and they asked me if I'd like to come to spring training and give it another try. So I went to spring training with the Angels, spent the entire spring with them, and uh everything was good in the beginning. I was feeling good, my velocity was up, but towards the last couple of weeks, it was it it just went again and it was shot. So that was it. I wasn't gonna make the major leagues, it was no sense hanging around in the minor leagues at that time. So I just uh enrolled at Cal State Fullerton, went to college at that time.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

So that that led to, as we talked about your chart, having though that those three sections of your chart implying at least three major sides of your your your character or your pursuits in life or multiple pursuits. So here you were in the Yankees, but and then the Angels, but that that you know the injury uh took took you out permanently.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

Yeah, it was it was devastating to me. I mean, I was young then, you know, it seemed like your um your life dream just vanished, you know what I mean? It's uh it's a devastating thing to think that as you're growing up, you know, you picture yourself, you know, on television playing major league baseball, and now you're you're hit with that, it's not gonna happen for you, you know.

SPEAKER_03 39:01

I'm so sorry. Well, that then you you then not to make light, we're gonna come back to chart wise it to that. And then of course that's tragic, uh, especially since obviously it was your life since you were a young boy, and then to actually be you know on your way to the majors is uh yeah, yeah, devastating to lose that. So so you were in California. Is this I believe I believe you were here? This is an example picture. You became a teacher, an educator.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Yeah, I did eventually become a teacher. I graduated from Cal State, Fullerton. Um, but before that, uh, you know, like we were mentioning before about

Vietnam Protests FBI Stop Jane Fonda

SPEAKER_00 39:39

the Vietnam War, and I I thought that uh this might be interesting, is that um uh I became very interested uh in the Vietnam War. This was 1970 and 71, 7071, and uh so I became the president of the Radical Students Union uh at the college, and I would take groups, we would take busloads up to San Francisco for the peace marches, and we went to Kent State when those students were shot by the by those guards, and we were there. We weren't there when it happened, but we we went there after to try to mobilize students to um speak out. And uh we were we were all over the place. I even got when we were on our way to San Francisco in a bus, uh, we got stopped, and the this they pulled me over and they they just asked me to get out of the bus. No one else, just me. Turns out it was the FBI, and they put me in their black car and sat me there for about 10-15 minutes, hardly spoke, just kind of spoke about silly things, and then they said, No, you can go. And I realized they're trying to uh put a wedge between me and the group because they the group is going, How come the FBI is talking to you? You know, like are you a mole? You know, something like that. But of course, that wasn't true. Yeah, we invited Jane Fonda at the college. She came. I met with her and I took her around campus and introduced her to everybody. So we had some fun times, of course. A lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 41:35

You know, I've known you for 30 years, and I don't know that I've heard this one, but that's another Jane. So that's uh quite quite something, you know, to to keep the the astrological piece um alive in your life story here. For those who are watching and and and listening, let me just uh back up a couple of slides here. You know, we could say in this chart the things that would talk about uh everything you just shared. I mean, a Mars uh that's that's angular. Mars is in an angular house, usually right on the midhaven, or or ascending or descending, or at the nadir of a chart, but Mars near the angular angular uh aspect of a chart or angle, or within that house, or even in this case, you know, high in the sky, it says this person might be physical, this person might be martial, this person might. It's typical for athletics. In fact, the the Galkoin uh sector, uh Michelle and Francois Galkelin back in the 70s through 90s, 90s, um, certainly, uh, did a lot of statistical research on Olympic level athletes, uh little, literally gold medal-winning athletes, and they happen to have Mars um roughly where you have it in your chart, you know, at a at a key place of the chart, certainly at the top of the chart, the career angle of the chart. That's classic for someone who may be an athlete or have extraordinary athletic skills. And of course, the picture you you didn't talk about the other picture that we showed a moment ago. I'll call back to it, but you were a marathon runner as well.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Yes, yes, I was in my uh senior year in college. I decided I was gonna run a marathon. I I don't know where it came from, but I just decided to do it. So I went into training for a couple of months where I ran uh I got up to about 100, 125 miles a week uh training in California, and I ran marathons in California. And then uh when when I when I graduated, I got back to New York, I ran in the New York marathon. And uh I finished in the top 10% in the New York marathon at that point. So yeah, and I uh I developed a marathon type body, whereas before I was much bigger and muscular, but all that running, I lost about 40 pounds. Um, and that's why I was able to run uh as as well as I did. Because I believe you're about six five. No, no, I'm six uh six three at that time, a little shorter now, but yeah, six three. And I was normally playing baseball, I was six three, two oh five, right around there. When I ran the New York Marathon, I was six three, one sixty-seven. And there's a picture of me there running. If you saw it, I don't I never had a picture of me running the marathon.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

Yep, I'll bring that back up.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

I was the New York marathon. I was running.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

Right, right on. So before we a little weird there, but it's it's it's just a picture and the you know the angle at which you shot the yeah, I think you took a picture of a picture because back then it was print, it wasn't there wasn't anything digital, computers weren't really happening yet.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

No, no, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

So so again, that that Mars is athletic. The the Mars and Aries with his sun, with his Venus, with his Mercury at the top of his chart, that in and of itself is descriptive of an athlete that Mars is also part, we'll discuss, of a um of a of a powerful uh configuration in his chart. Uh depends on on how you you work the chart, but one configuration is uh a t-square. So we see a t-square with with Jupiter at the apex point. Um, there's also another t-square, depends on how you work a chart, and I use wide orbs with that Mercury opposite moon and the Pluto Saturn in the middle of that t-square. So kind of two t-squares, almost a grand cross type of a chart. So it's an interesting combination of factors. But that Mars overhead uh is is the elite athlete um for sure. And also, too, you mentioned um uh you know being uh the uh you know joining the radical student or the president of the radical students union and then the marches and you're marching with Jane Fonda. Of course, you mentioned that that Uranus Rising, we'll talk more about that. Uranus rising in your chart conjunct the ascendant. Uranus discovered during the French and American revolutions. So for humans, uh Uranus in our charts describe revolution. Like, for instance, right now in the US chart, we're having another Uranus return. Uranus has got an 84-year orbit. So we're having another for the US chart, 1776, we're having another Uranus return this year, right now, and uh Uranus is about revolution. So you could say our American birth chart, uh July 4th, 76, says 1776, that we're in another revolution as a nation. And that would certainly be apropos for the now. Um, but yeah, having Uranus rising or Uranus powerfully placed in a chart says this person is again a rule breaker or someone who breaks the mold, someone who doesn't just sit in the sidelines, but someone who's in some way um conjunct the ascendant, Uranus, a representative of change, a representative of revolution. Um, so that's one configuration. That T-square that has Pluto, we could think of plutocracy or plutocrats, or even like dictators, or control, or underworld. Well, we'll talk about the underworld theme that rose up in your chart. So the underworld theme rose up in what Wyatt talked about, folks, when the um FBI uh picked you up and threw you in the van. That that's you know, the CIA, FBI, and the mob are all kind of on the same Plutonian control domination, hidden underworld theme. And again, Pluto is um uh is loosely rising. Uh Uranus is certainly rising in this chart. Pluto is next to the ascendant, rising next. And um, our guest speaker, in case you're uh listening on um podcast, our guest uh Wyatt always wears dark sunglasses for lots of different reasons, but there's again that anonymity that Pluto can talk about, uh, you know, that kind of the hidden figure or hidden figures in one's life. So we'll we'll come back to that theme in a moment. But so was it after uh after your radical students' union uh president uh you know, your your your efforts there? Were you an uh an educator and a teacher in California?

SPEAKER_00 48:07

No, I when I came back to New York, um

Teaching Kids And Defending A Student

SPEAKER_00 48:10

I became I had gotten my degree in um physiology, exercise phillies, physiology, and biology. So I was teaching in New York. Actually, um I taught first in New Jersey because finding jobs back then, teaching jobs was not easy. So I took a job in uh actually in New Jersey. Um it only lasted about a year because I had I had an incident in the school. Um I was working with boys, my students were young boys, 12, 13 years old. And um they were uh um these were trouble children. And um so that this was my classroom. And uh I had a problem with well, as it turned out, there was this one child who was coming in, and he would have burn marks, like cigarette burn marks on his body, on his arms, and bruises, and I kept questioning him, and evidently it turned out that his mother's boyfriend was hurting him. So what happened was they when they were having open school week, uh his mother and the boyfriend came up, and um I confronted the boyfriend. He was uh he was uh you know about my size, but a little bit younger. And uh I confronted him and he just um pushed me aside. He didn't want to hear it. So I kept I kept at it and I kept at it, and finally it got to a point where we were we almost got into a fight. But what I had to do is I had I put my hands, I grabbed him by his shirt, put him up against the wall, and basically told him that you know, if I see this child, if he ever comes in with these marks on his body, not only will I call the police and have you arrested, but I'll take care of you myself. You know, I was really angry. Well, anyway, uh he went and complained to the principal, or his wife did, his girlfriend did, and uh so the principal called me in two days later and said, I love you and I love what you did. I wish I had the balls to do that, but I have to let you go because of what happened. But I just wanted to let you know that I respect you so much for what you did standing up for that boy, and he'll never forget that. So, anyway, that then I went back and I started teaching in New York and Staten Island. I had a few teaching jobs. Um at that time I was having children, and I had three three children before I was even uh 30 years old, and um I needed to make more money, and at that time teaching jobs were not paying very well. So I got a job. Uh I got into the union at the New York Post. If anyone is from New York, you might know that newspaper, the New York Post, the oldest newspaper in the world, I mean in the United States, I should say. And uh I was there for 10 years until I moved on to the New York Times. And then I finished my uh my working career at the New York Times, basically.

SPEAKER_03 51:55

Uh so if I may interject briefly, astrologically speaking, folks, um, what we want to look at with Weiss's chart is that he's got the moon in the fifth house of children, and that moon in the fifth house of children says that you know part of his life might involve kids. Uh, the moon rules the ascendant of this chart, a cancer arising. So the moon rules cancer, it's in the fifth house of the chart. It says, therefore, that the person's identity might be found within family issues and particularly with children. Um, it's very common for teachers, particularly uh uh you know, grade school or uh or even high school teachers, sometimes to have the moon in the fifth, but really it's usually younger kids. It's a connection to younger kids uh and and to nurturing and being a nurturer. So, again, that Mars uh Aries bundle that's uh they call it quinks, it's 150, but it's kind of opposite in the sky. I mean, I I am observing this chart as on the one hand, we have the the outer world career and the athlete. Uh, on the other hand, we have the family and the inner world of the home and family, and certainly of children and children's welfare. I mean, it talks certainly about your own life. We could go there another day, but your own childhood that's fueling some of this passion for families and kids and and you know, your own finding your own identity through children and you know, if you will, healing your own, whatever story you might have had, um, healing your own story through through being a teacher is one thing that this birth chart describes. But again, for us astrologers, having uh anything in the fifth house of children, certainly a moon or the sun, one of the two lights of a chart, the moon governs our plexus, our gut, our gut feeling uh mind, heart, our gut mind, as opposed to the Mercury, the intellectual analytic mind, the gut mind, the feeling mind. So that chart again describes the fifth house of children and oftentimes a career uh that involves kids. So I want to explain this particular slide because this is another slide of nurturing. Uh, maybe you you can sort of fill in what what the the listeners are are not seeing here, but if you can you know check out the video on my YouTube channel, it'll be fun to watch. What do we have here, Wyatt?

SPEAKER_00 54:14

That's me sitting with orangutan. Ohrangutang is um hugging me. Um he loved me. And he he I was those are my sunglasses, by the way. My because as you said, um I wear them all the time. I mean, they're prescription, but they are dark prescription glasses, and I was wearing them, and he the orangutan took them off me and put them on himself.

SPEAKER_03 54:43

Now you're at some kind of animal park, I presume.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

Well, what I was um at that time I was playing, I was down south in South Carolina playing golf uh in a golf tournament, and uh there was this incredible um place down there that does rehab for all animals from all over the world. I mean, we're talking lions, tigers, bears, wolves, you name it. And um, so I went there um and I hit it off with the guy running the place. He was a they called him the guru, the animal guru, and he let me sit with these animals. So, I mean, I was sitting with a lot of animals. This is just one picture of an orangutan. And um, yeah, I had a great time, and I spent the entire day there um with the elephants and with the uh chimpanzees and with a liger, which is a lion and a tiger. Uh a lion and a tiger, which weighs 900 pounds, uh, the biggest uh type of animal cat on planet earth. I have a picture of that. Maybe another time we'll we could put that up there. Um, so that was uh that was just another time in my life when uh golf became really important to me, and I was going on all these tournaments.

SPEAKER_03 56:10

So the orangutan grabbed grabbed your sunglasses and said, Hey, that looks cool on you. How does it look on me? And the orangutan put the glasses on himself.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

Himself, he did it himself. He put them on and then put his arms around my neck and grabbed.

SPEAKER_03 56:26

I love that picture. Yeah, so so tell us about your time with the uh the newspaper industry. What what what was that you were in the union, you said now again. By the way, unions are loosely people, uh Pluto. So we said in in Wise chart that he's got that Pluto arising uh with that Saturn in the second house of money, and so it's about your earnings might be involved with uh you know with with with sort of organizational kind of issues, but that fact that that Pluto is involved in that um another T-square in this chart. I'll show you again. That Pluto's got sort of a T-square connection here. I look at that Mercury, folks, as being almost in Taurus, it's the late few degrees. So Mercury opposite that moon in this chart, and that that Pluto kind of in the middle. You know, for those of you who use tight orbs, you'll say, Wow, Alexander's uh not thinking clearly. But if you don't use tight orbs, you can certainly see that Aries bundle with Mercury on one side, the moon on the other, and that Pluto, Saturn in between. And so I would see that as a standout that at different chapters of his life, that that Aries martial quality and the the issues with kids or family or or inner world, Scorpio is kind of again an underworld theme, uh, perhaps. That moon is not far from that sixth house of J-O-B jobs. So now that brings in another theme where there can be um you know issues of power themes, power and or um security or safety or lack thereof. So tell us about uh your union jobs and things that were happening there.

SPEAKER_00 58:04

Yeah. Uh just to go back because you you're mentioning children, um, my entire adult life, I coached little league baseball. Um, that was part of my life, uh, always with the kids, always with uh

Union Work Mob Proximity Newsrooms

SPEAKER_00 58:19

teaching them not just baseball, but how to be good citizens. And I would tell them, look, not everyone's gonna make it to Major League, but if you can get a scholarship to a college, more power to you. So put the time in, put the effort in. And I worked with the kids um every day. You know, even when uh the season was over, I would have I would have um scheduled practices, and the parents loved it because it was like a camp in the summer. They dropped their kids off at the ball field and they were with me all day long. And I loved that. I really did. I enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_03 58:58

Bless you. Good for you.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Yeah, but going back, I did uh so it just it was just a coincidence that my mother had remarried um a significant person in the union, a president, uh sort of a president, like vice president, one of those higher-ups. And he was able to um at that time it was hard to get into these unions in New York because basically these were father-son unions, and mostly they were Italians, Irish and Italians. So it wasn't easy to get in because at that time they were they were pushing for um to get minorities into these unions. So I had a hard time. And turns out that uh I well, I had known a little bit about it, but I uh I had uh an American Indian in my family, was a Mohawk Indian, Ellie Brown, and I was able to go to the library on in Manhattan on Fifth Avenue and do research for like three weeks and found my family tree and traced it back to my Mohawk relative, and uh we sent the papers in to the minority board that uh make the decision if you're eligible, and lo and behold, I became eligible minority.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

And you have a mohawk tattoo.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:32

We do have a mohawk tattoo. I don't know if you can see it. So I can't uh anyway, it's it was a war band I had gotten. A mohawk mohawk war band, a warrior band that I had gotten a tattoo at that time. So I got a job at the New York Post. And uh little did I know being uh being uh a teacher and uh trying to be you know real civilized and part of society, uh I didn't know what I was getting into because mostly the unions at the New York Post, of all the Daily News, the New York Times, all of them, these were all kids that were gonna were were getting into this thing through their parents, their fathers. And a lot of them were connected people, if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:29

You know, very well you mean you might want to spell that out in in brief of any comfortable that you come.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

I'll just say uh if people know what the word connected means.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:38

So well, we're talking about sort of like uh the the quintessential uh family or corporate, uh the the old the old idea of the Sicilian mob or the New York mob or the these were all these were all descendants and of New York children of New York mobsters, basically.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

So it was hard to it wasn't an easy thing because I saw you know I saw some crazy things.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:05

People get killed.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

I can't really go into all the things I saw. I don't want to name any names, but yeah, I got to see some pretty bad things happening uh in the building, outside the building. So after 10 years, uh I was just I had it. So um the New York Times um had a thing going where they knew I had college education, they were looking for bosses because they were opening up a new building in Queens, and they interviewed me for a job, and I got the job at the New York Times. And then I was there until I retired uh when I was 63 years old. So, and I was living in Long Island at the time, and that's you know, with Jacqueline, my wife, of course.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:53

And um so that that that was the retirement from from your uh formal uh outer world career, right? Yeah, this this picture tells us another little part of your life story. Can you kind of give an audience what we're looking at? But we've got a picture here of Wyatt a couple of years ago, some some more recent, and his artwork will show you his incredible artwork, but also to a little younger, and then a picture of Dog the Bounty Hunter. Uh, so tell us about why we have Dog the Bounty Hunter with his uh tattoos and armbands and so forth. How does this relate?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

Jacqueline and I used to, we uh went to Mexico a lot on vacation. We seemed to go there more than anywhere else, Mexico, because we loved it. We had a we always had a great time. The thing is, every time we would go to a hotel, the staff always thought that I was a professional American wrestler. You know, I was much more muscular back then and big guy with blonde hair. You could see that one picture of me, but my I my hair got even longer at that at that point. And one of the uh I was in the cafeteria, not the dining room, and a woman comes over to me and she wants my autograph. And I'm thinking, well, they all think I'm a professional wrestler. So I I used to just sign, make it so sloppy like a doctor's signature, you wouldn't know what I was writing. And then they would say, Thank you. They would take my autograph.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

Dozens of people would come.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:32

Yeah, Jacqueline will tell you, she was always laughing because all these uh workers would come up to me and ask me for my autograph. And I'm going, What who do they think I am? Well, anyway, this woman comes up to me and she wanted an autograph, and she thought that I was this guy, dog. This guy, dog. And I go, Wow, that's an insult. Do I look like this guy? You know, no, I'm not dog, I'm sorry. But I, you know, I had uh Jacqueline and I were sitting on the beach and these three, you know, young girls, maybe 18 years old, walking by, and you know, they're giggling and they come up to me and they, you know, they're like, oh, you know, you're famous, and they want to take pictures of sitting on my lap. But they go to Jacqueline and they say, Would you mind if would that be okay with you if we get pictures on his lap? And you said, No, I don't care, right? You said something like that. Go ahead, I don't care. So they're taking pictures of them sitting on my lap, um, thinking that I'm this famous professional wrestler in the United States. Wrestling is big in Mexico, so um, they wear the masks, you know. And uh it's very big in Mexico. So basically that that's that was just a funny. Story I just thought I would tell.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

It is funny. Well, it's so you, it's so classically you, and you know, we we do have Neptune of movies and film uh near the fifth house of movies and film industry opposing your son. So if you were a 20-year-old young guy coming to me, what careers would I be capable of doing? The Venus next to your son, right next to your son, and the Mars. I I one of the things I would say is you know, you might be great in films or movies or or you know, in front of a camera, you know, you might you might be uh a model, you you might be, and then if you said, Well, I'm into athletics, I will look that you ought to be sports casting. This is a classic chart of a sports caster as well, someone who would do that kind of career where you're you're you're in front with the public and the the microphone, the neptune, the the image uh and film. Uh for that matter, I don't know. You know, Mars opposing Neptune in your chart. I have no idea with Venus there. Are you a photographer as well? Have you have you gotten into photography?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:56

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:57

Well, Jack's fabulous photographer.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

He's a fabulous photographer. Tell me, I don't know about that. What about that? What about that? Mars, Mars is quick, Mars is anything because Neptune photography.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

I took some classes in college, but um, I you know, like Jacqueline said, you seem to have a natural eye to the way you you uh frame things, and I enjoy doing it, so especially here in Colorado. It's you know, it's so beautiful here. So I am taking pictures everywhere I go in Colorado, and um, yeah, and I enjoy it. And I have I must have a thousand photographs that I've taken, especially here in Colorado. And um, you know, the one thing I didn't mention to you is that uh like you're you're showing that picture, and that's one of the reasons is that when I met Jacqueline and I was living in her house, uh she bought me a book uh for my birthday, and it had to be um his name was uh Naruto Nakashima. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:01

I know of Nakashima.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:01

If anyone knows that he was a famous furniture maker and from Japan who settled in Pennsylvania.

Photography Furniture Zen Garden Craft

SPEAKER_00 1:08:09

And um I got so interested in it, I started making furniture. I started learning, teaching myself how to do it, getting all the old Japanese tools so I wasn't using the uh American stuff tools, everything was hand-tooled, and I started making furniture. And I made a lot of furniture for Jacqueline and her house. And when we sold the house, the person who bought it, he wouldn't buy the house unless the furniture came with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:37

But he actually paid extra for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:38

He paid extra for all my furniture, but so the so the Venus Mars, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:42

And uh, Jacqueline, the Venus Mars and Wyatt's chart at the career angle, Mars action, Venus art, it's another, it's another manifestation of of his action, you know, sort of creation, creation in action.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:55

Every day he creates something, and the Japanese garden, every day I go out, it's different. He'll move, he'll make a different sculpture, he'll disassemble what he did and make something else, you know. Very it's a remarkable experience.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:12

It is, and I have visited you guys. Um, you know, not that if anyone listening and watching, and I don't necessarily have guests who are friends and what have you, but these are extraordinary people, as you hear. Uh Jacqueline uh Wyatt's wife is equally extraordinarily, uh another extraordinary person, but we can only handle so much for one show. So tell us what we're looking at here, uh Jacqueline and and uh Wyatt.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:36

Jacques Yeah, this is our house in Colorado. We live at 6,000 feet in the Rocky Mountains, which is incredible coming from Brooklyn to the right. Well, I mean, I did live in Long Island uh for a while, but mostly from Brooklyn. And here I am in 6,000 feet in the Rocky Mountains. So um when I we bought this house, it was just weeds. That's all it was, was the backyard full of weeds. And I just this is this is all my doing. This is just a small part of what I was doing, creating this um this Japanese garden. You see the Tori Gate in the background, that's actually about 14 feet high. It's really big. And um that is what is uh Japanese Tori Gate. These were built over the centuries. The they would have them uh to the entrance to um to uh temples and uh they were very sacred. It's sort of like uh the cohen uh the gateless gate, if you're familiar with that term, the gateless gate. And walking through that gate, the whole idea was that the gateless gate is because we all have the answers to our lives and to life, to the universe. Um we just have forgotten um through our lives and busy lives, we've forgotten everything, but it's in there, it's deep inside of us, uh, all the answers, and that was the the theme of the Gateless Gate, and that's that Tory gate right there. You can see the you can see it's much bigger than it looked before, and it's it was a task that I basically took on myself to build, and it was it was pretty tough because it's those are huge, those are uh six by six columns going up. So everything was pretty heavy, but I enjoy it. I mean, this is like meditation for me. The path, the path that I built. Um, again, this is a small part of our backyard.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:52

And and this is uh this lies in conjunction with our next slide. Um, and I'd love for Jacqueline or you to read why you're you're also a writer and a poet, particularly, as well as uh a person involved with philosophy and and eastern spiritualities. You just your Tory Gates uh sort of giveaway. You could tell us a little bit about that, but maybe you could read your your your poem or Jacqueline if you want to read his well.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

This one that you have, I'd have to do a prerequisite. This was very recent. I've written, Jacqueline will tell you, I've written a hundred prose, poems, short stories. I love writing, and uh it just comes to me and I just start it just starts pouring out of me, and I just write.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:39

Um, so that just that's astrologically, by the way, back to that that very fast moon and very fast Mercury, Mercurial. The moon is our plexus gut gut mind, and Mercury is our analytic mind. They're opposite in your chart, um, but they're highlighted uh both being super fast. So another expression is the photography, the the writing, the out the outpouring of creativity, the the sort of intellectual mind and the feeling gut mind.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:05

Right, right. So this poem is was more recent, and it had a lot of uh uh impact because um recently I have been uh diagnosed with prostate cancer, and um I thought

Prostate Cancer Poem And Being Here

SPEAKER_00 1:13:21

I had gotten rid of it when I went to UCLA and you know two and a half years ago, but it came back just recently, and uh it came back with a little bit of fury. So um I'm I'm dealing with that now, but this was something I wrote in conjunction with what what I was feeling at the time when I found out that it came back. But if you want her to read that, I'll give it. Oh, can you see it? Okay, so you can read that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:49

I wake, the breath arrives. That is enough to begin with the body answers most days. Some days it does not. I do not argue. I live what is here. I can rose. I rest. I am not a year. I am not the fear. I am not the ear. I am eating itself. I will notice I will listen. No promises, no organs, no rehearsals for ending. Today I am here. Today I am here.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:45

So I had written that only a few uh weeks ago um when I found out that the cancer would come back, and you know, I was fighting with it as people do when they find out that um, you know, you're 77 years old, and uh-oh, here we go. So I was fighting with it, um, feeling I guess feeling uh a little fear at that time. Um much better now. I've really just let that go. I just living day to day now. My Zen up my Zen uh teachings and my meditations have gotten me through it to allow me to just live each day and not worry about it, really. I am doing something about it, of course. I'm hoping for the best, but I'm certainly not um gonna let this defeat me in any way spiritually.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:39

Well, that's a a powerful uh a powerful life story and summarization um of a of a of a huge life. And you know, we we all have amazing lives. Some people greater, more intense, well, there's all variations, right? In human experience, and certainly yours is is a powerful one. Um, so uh, you know, not to in any way this is this is kind of one of those sensitive moments because uh I don't know that we really folks, we didn't really plan per se, I didn't uh that you'd share that um part of your recent journey. And I don't mean to in any way water that down, you know. Um so astrologically, I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:24

No, I was just gonna say that uh um when that when when she read that, you know, I had a you know, it sounds like something's going on, and I needed to uh explain why that that I wrote that particular uh poem. So that's where I came up, that's why I brought it up, basically.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:46

So of course it's a journey that you're both going through in as as any couple, you know, it's a it's a couple, it's a journey of the couple, not just of the individual. I honor I honor that.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:59

Yeah. Look, we're I am taking care of it, and Jacqueline is certainly helping me. We've done a tremendous amount of research, and we're we're doing all the things that I I think I need to do to uh extend my life, but not at the not at the expense of um, you know, with all the medical the quality of life is certainly more important to me than just days, you know. So I'll I'll I prefer to have my my quality of life over how many days I live. So um I'm I'm fine with that, and I've allowed myself to be at peace with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:43

And so Jacqueline, you know, being uh Wyatt's spouse, you know, you and being a fellow student of astrology, we can all say so much of what he shared is indeed Aries, you know, the Aries, um Aries is springtime, and Aries is you know being held back, if you will, throughout the winter, and then you know bursting forward, going for life. And the the the essence of Aries, they said the sun is exalted or at its best in the sign of Aries. It means it's the the the essence of being here now, the essence of being, of course, being here now, written by another Aries, um uh Ram Das. Right. So being here now, you know, being in the moment, and you just expressed that perfectly as did your poem, you know, being in the moment, and as you say, quality of life, so that Mars that is in its own home sign astrologically, that Mars that is that is the final dispositor of every planet in this chart, it comes down to that that empowerment of self. You know, the the Aries sun sign people are um quick to act and to forge ahead and starting when when starting something new, but also you know to to set their own course, to define their own life, to define their own course. It is classic. I know of another story where uh an Aries woman uh was a school teacher in her part of her early career, and she also had a young student who was coming home, coming into the class with bruises, and she knew that the father was involved, and she uh showed up at that father's at that father's home that night with a baseball bat, you know, banging on his door, come out, come out. You want it, you want to have a fight? I'm here for you, I'm ready for you. She also got fired from her job as an educator, Aries hero. But Aries the hero, you know, the the hero uh Aries presents that heroic uh being here now, be being human and being in the moment of one's humanity. And I hope that if nothing else, um what people who are listening and watching today might get from this Aries example is someone who's really in their own center of humanity, their own center of beingness. And that Venus-Mars conjunction you know talks about both you know the the power of Mars and the lover, the lover hero. Um it's that lover hero connection, the the poet, the artist, and and the action, you know, the the woodworker and and the artist, the you know, the Zen, the Zen, the Zen environment you've created in your home, the Tory Gates, the guard, the Zen gardens that you've built there. And you know, also too. I want to come back to that Your Honest, but that that Jupiter that talks about the the guru. So you you have had an association with Guru Path for a very long time. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:30

Yeah, I've been associated with both of you together, but certainly. Yeah, but well, separately, because we all, you know, before we met, we were all both on a path. Uh for me, it was Alan Watts, uh,

Gurus Uranus Rising And Tension As Fuel

SPEAKER_00 1:20:44

whoever, you know, people might know who Alan Watts was, a philosopher, spiritual, and he called himself a spiritual entertainer, but he was a teacher and uh philosopher.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:54

Of the 60s and 70s, particularly.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:56

Yeah, and I I um I based a lot of my life on his teachings, as well as a few other um um uh Nisaga Dada Maharish uh also had a lot of had a lot of effect uh uh on my life. And um who else? Um Steven Lewinsky. Stephen Lewinsky, who was a student of of um Narsaga Dada. So these were Eckhart, definitely. Um and uh the what was his name from India? Uh who became the Ramana? No, no, no, the um Mohesh Yogi? No, basically he he settled in America. He uh it'll come to me. Yeah, Krishna, Christian Murdy. Krishna Murdy, uh so well, he was there in my early days, like in my teenage days.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:53

Uh I read him and uh, of course, Alan Watts and uh Alan Watts is also a professor, and Krishna Murdy was famed for his intellect. That's right. And he was he was sort of groomed by the theosoph theosophist, the Theosophical Society to be their their new uh sort of Christos figure, right? So but he was an extraordinary intellect.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:16

Oh yeah, they they wanted him to be the leader of that group of the uh and he he was he became but he left because he realized that they had him, I guess, you know, they wanted him to be a certain person, and he wasn't he wasn't buying it, you know. He he had a lot of uh knowledge and he wanted to share it. He ended up settling in California and would just teach uh open air teachings, and that's where I basically got my a lot of information in California from him. And uh, I don't know if you know um if you know um what's his name, um uh Ken Wilbur. Have you ever heard of it?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:01

Wilbur, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:02

Yeah, he's here in Boulder, of course. And he was also an early per a person I studied early on. Uh so these were some of my teachers, um, you know, the which I got a lot. A lot of my uh upbringing, spiritual upbringing came from those those people.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:23

So when I when I look at Wyatt's chart, um, for those who are astrologically oriented, um uh Wyatt has basically a hemispheric or bowl pattern. If we take that uh Mars, Venus, and Aries, and that Moon and Scorpio, they're not exactly opposite, of course, but they're opposite in the sky. So one half of his chart is occupied, and Jupiter is all there by itself as planets uh as a highlight. And I like to remember that again, Jupiter in Vedic astrology and Tibetan astrology is not called a Greco-Roman name, it's called guru. G U means Maya or delusion, and uh, and R U means um uh illumination. So a guru figure is someone who can bring illumination, and when we have a prominent Jupiter in a chart, or prominent guru Jupiter in a chart, this is very commonly a person who might be uh a reverend or uh a spiritualist or a philosopher or a philosophical teacher. You know, a kind I always say one of my favorite people who has a prominent Jupiter guru like you do, Wyatt, is Oprah Winfrey. You know, she's not a renunciant, she's not a sunnyasin, she's she's not, she's married and you're partnered, but she certainly has played a guru role, you know, for many, many millions of people. And this is a mark classic of someone who has a spiritual path. So, again, if you were a 20-year-old client, I would have said no matter what you do in this life, ultimately your life will have a summation of that Jupiter. You know, you uh you almost have what's called a bucket chart, where we have a hemisphere that's occupied, and then a singleton. So the singleton acts like the handle to a bucket. You know, a famous person we know, all of us is John Lennon, who has the moon at the top of his chart, his emotions, his personal, like the great bed in, the great sleep in Yoko, Yoko, the mother, his mother issues. In his case, the focal point was emotional, personal. For you, it's Jupiter, it it's it's it's guru. And so this chart is a spiritual chart, it's a person who's ultimate center of being. Everything funnels out of or into that Jupiter. So that's the significant. Um, here you also have that Uranus ascendant, uh, the innovator, the individualist. And um, some of my notes in prep today, also about other slides, is that that Uranus that's rising in your chart is out of bounds. You actually have Uranus and Pluto both out of bounds. It means they're very, very high in the sky. They're they're above the ecliptic, above the zodiacal band that most planets operate within. Um they're really either very, very above or very, very below, you know, extreme in the sky. That means astronomically, you know, much higher that night than they normally would be, that period of time under which you were born. So it talks about sort of an extreme Uranian personality or an extreme. I'm gonna move my little uh pictures here, an extreme Uranus personality, or an extreme Pluto personality. And both Uranus and Pluto, particularly Uranus in Gemini in your chart, duality are out of bounds here. The rebel. So an out-of-bounds Uranus occurs when the planet's declination exceeds 27 23 and a half, north or south, beyond the sun's supervision. It's innovator, a pioneer, unconventional, revolutionary, rebel. Out of bounds planets act to reach beyond the establishment. So when you when you told me for the first I didn't know that you were there um protesting the Vietnam War with Jane Fonda, that you were the president of the of the Radical Students Union uh uh in your in your college uh in California. It sounds like I don't know if you were you weren't in Berkeley, but it sounds like a Berkeley-esque kind of experience.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:09

Well, we traveled to Berkeley. In fact, they put me up for the week when I was up there helping them protest.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:15

I shouldn't be surprised. That fit your chart wonderfully. Uh, the chart also has, astrologically speaking, this these T squares I've mentioned. And a T square talks about uh problem solving, uh things coming to a to a conclusion, things coming to an apex or problem solving or conflict resolution or tensions forcing a new approach, the tension of having the the shoulder uh terrible accident playing football when you're a pitcher, uh a pro level pitcher, and your rotator being blown out and that career change. Uh the tension when you were there at the New York Times and uh and the uh the post, I think it was. Yeah, Pluto Saturn that Kentucky. About um issues with power and people in power and/or underworld figures in power, and you had some run-ins with them, I believe. What is lost? We just lost Wyatt, unfortunately. So, Jacqueline, we have you, but we lost Wyatt's feed temporarily. Maybe we get Wyatt back, I don't know. So that uh that T square um talks about uh tension in a chart and um yeah, connecting to audio, yeah. So I think we lost them. So maybe we can we can pause the recording, Sheila. So we had a little glitch there, we're back. So so these T-squares talk about tension. I think about you know who has squares and their oppositions and squares in their chart? A famous person. Uh we can look at Winston Churchill, who was famed for his squares. So he had to change and adapt, change and adapt, change and adapt. And that's what your story has shared with us. All these different major chapters of your life where you're changing and adapting. But uh squares and T squares and oppositions also talk about you know, opposition, like you know, it's sort of a seesaw, you know, literally balance balancing things. So I when I think about your chart and the the balance of balancing of things, I love you know your your artwork here. Uh, you know, the these the the stone the stone balancing that you do, uh the the Tori Gates, the Japanese Zen gardens, and the balance that you create. It's really about you know create taking mortal reality and reforming it or forming it into it's uh another growth. That's uh classic for your chart. So um, so here we again we go again well at Wyatt's chart one last time. April 14th of 49, 9:30 in the morning in New York, Brooklyn, New York. So you can cast his chart and see that very dominant Aries bundle and that uh that moon opposite. It's truly a chart of it's even really a full moon chart. That you know, you're born literally about a day and a half after the full moon, Wyatt. And that that itself talks about balance. And probably when you talked about your parents um, you know, separating or divorcing, you could say, you know, moon mommy down here and son daddy up there, uh, they were both you know two really uh radically powerful people, but radically different at the same time, which I'm sure was the case for you, yeah?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:29

Yeah, very they were very different. Uh even in age, they were 20 years apart.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:34

Well, so normally, you know, our parenting and our life experience in our childhood early years form kind of a template of our of our familiar. But I've you've told talked this in your chart says, yeah, yeah, Uranus rising, you know, that that you've broken the mold throughout your life. You've re broken and rebroken and re-molded. And even your recent sharing about you know, being in your mid-70s and having some health, some serious health challenges, um, that you've described with your you know prostate and um kind of working that. Um that is of course Scorpio moon. Scorpio rules repro reproductive area. So it's it's it does say genetically, you know, it's in the family history, probably probably. And um, it does say that this will be another theme of you, you know, overcoming, another theme of you, you know, uh creating, uh, you know, creating or rebuilding. I want to go back to your Tory gates, re-rebuilding and rebuilding spiritually. So I'm I'm wondering, um, you know, before we close, on uh any any thoughts to share about this this idea of rebuilding and rebirthing.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:45

Uh well, and I guess Jacqueline speak more to it than I could. Um she gets to see it from a distance. So is there anything you would say about that? Rebuilding, rebuilding organizing.

Resilience Gym Discipline Closing And Links

SPEAKER_01 1:32:00

You know uh just um it just wasn't the prostate cancer, he's had several years of one blow after another with uh health issues that um just you know knocks you knocks you down. And he is like um just transforms himself, you know, he does do the grieving, why it does the do the grieving and the feeling and then just rises from that that those ashes and has you know uh triumphs with uh just this regenerative spiritual strength and inspiration.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:44

And one can say Aries, the the leader, the hero, the the the the truly uh Joseph Campbell-esque hero, the hero's journey, which I bet is something that you guys have read or followed as well. It's so Wyatt. And Scorpio moon that Wyatt has is that rebirthing, the phoenix that that rises and rebirth, rises and rebirths. That's a a very powerful uh theme.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:09

Yeah. Yeah, um and love prevails. And why Wyatt's heart is very strong with uh just unbelievable compassionate um uh love and uh his heart prevails, it's very strong.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:28

Well, how loving folks for for you know, two people have been together for 30 years nearly to have such honor of each other's journey and honor and and and care thoughtful caring of each other. And I guess I want to um, as we come to close shortly, uh you know, say one other phenomenal thing that I've understood, I believe, that while you're going through these uh these challenges to your physical being, you're also going to the gym four times a week and bench pressing like as much as you've almost ever bench pressed. Am I remembering?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:00

Yeah, it's muscles right here.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:02

I'm in the gym four days a week. Um still unbelievable that I haven't because of what I'm going through with uh the therapy I'm going through. Um I haven't lost much strength, which I it's hard to remember. But but I haven't. And uh, you know, I'm 77 years old and um I'm in the gym four days a week, an hour and a half, uh, you know, hitting the uh hitting the irons. I take them prisoners.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:34

That's you know, I I think that that's a phenomenal way to um to kind of have a uh one one summarization of everything you've shared, that that creative, the indomitable spirit, uh, you know, going through all these chapters and layers, you know, being in your 70s, facing some considerable health issues, but you know, in the gym four days a week, uh bench pressing, how much are you bench pressing these days?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:01

Well, I'm down to 245, but I was up last year, I was doing 260. So I'm down to you know, I lost a few pounds.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:10

Pretty good for a man who's pushing 80. Uh that's uh God, if we could all have such uh phenomenal uh abilities, but it's as much your physical ability as it is your emotional, psychological, you know, it's really like your your your inner your inner self that we're talking about. You it's your it's your discipline. Yeah, uh so I I admire and we all admire it's it's quite incredible. Well, thank you both for for coming today and sharing with us. Yeah, anyone who wants to anyone who wants to learn more or get some charts or have White's chart, um perhaps email to them if you didn't catch it. You can go to my website. Here's my QR code, uh the Astrology of Family Karma and Relationships podcast, and also this podcast, Astrology Off the Charts. And I thank you both so much for for coming today. Um, it was really uh wonderful to share with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:04

It was our pleasure. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:06

Thank you so much. Blessings to you both.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:08

You too.