Controversial Chat

AI debate

Social Media and teens

Assisted Suicide

Random fun items to debate 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Summertime session. JK is in summertime mode. We are live here, and uh we decided to uh jump into some controversial topics.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

We're gonna start with a little technology conversation. Uh this is something Kara knows a bit more about, and you know, we do discuss time to time. Uh we wanted to get into the whole AI topic, you know, artificial intelligence. It's a hot topic right now. It's a hot topic. What are your thoughts on it?

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Okay, so generally speaking, here, when it comes to AI, like this year they have like AI for like I think it's AI Gemini, like for the school, like teachers and stuff at school to use. And I feel like a hypocrite because AI I think it's terrible. But you can't deny. But what does it do with the school? Like, it helps, like, as far as like you could type in whatever you want. It can help get you more information on a topic you're going to teach, or help create questions that go with a passage. Like, it it does it's it's like a guide, like a really human we could do it ourselves. It's making us lazier.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Which, but I do use it sometimes. I can't tell a lie.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Yeah. Like for my like resume and stuff. I'm super familiar with like a lot of like the different technology out there, but I do use chat GPT time to time, like because I forget about it, so I'm not that reliant on it. But like, you know, say if someone's like ever looking for a job, they always say to like take the description and like you tell it to help you update your resume. That's what I but then you have to tweak it because it's like kind of sometimes too it it I think it loses like the human like touch sometimes. Do you see what you just said there? That's the problem. Yeah, AI is taking away from more people. You can tell, like, because a lot of people even on LinkedIn will use like they'll use AI to for like a post jobs that they help you uh update your resume and thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

So isn't that like people do that for a living?

SPEAKER_00 2:08

It's taking away from taking away from like all different types of jobs.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Then you see where I don't know how far we're going down this rabbit hole here, but it's like how they introduce introduce those robot teachers, right? On the news and stuff. To me, it's also like how they have the Gemini AI specifically like for the schools and things like that. It's also a way for them to get more information. Who regulates that? That's a who knows? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

That's what we need to like do some research on.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Like, it's also, you know, takes from our jobs.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Like they're because now whoever like is behind that that Gemini program that like can see like what you're doing in the schools, whereas before, I have no idea what type of visibility like the county has or whoever like the oversight committee is, but yeah, no, I don't know. It's like opening a whole new door to visibility.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

So it's definitely and even like when we like look at Chat GPT, but I mean I guess the whole internet in itself is a problem. No, which brings us to the but wait, but you can ask Chat GPT too. Like I've started if like I don't know what something is. Remember the other day with that fly, I'm like, put ask it online. No, and it does that's what I'm saying. Like little things like that, it's like a traveling like resource, or I you can also ask it like, hey, I want to lose 10 pounds. This is my weight, this is what I do, and like it'll give you meal ideas and uh all sorts of stuff. It'll tell you, it'll break stuff up like that for you.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

But then it's like, okay, yes, like like my sister used it and said how great it was. It's set up when she like took the kids on a trip, right? It did like a whole itinerary of places and things like that, but then it's like okay, a nutritionalist, that's there. You see where it does take from that.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

So it's a doozy.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

It's a doozy.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yeah, it's yeah, it's like cutting corners and some stuff. I'm more against it than I am for it by far.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

But we'll have to do we'll get do a little more heavy lifting on the research end and we'll come back with our direct.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

I think we gotta get rid of it.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Okay, next. Um, so next we're gonna dive into some like social uh social issues. Uh the use of social media. Do you think social media does more harm than good for teenage mental health? And should the plat should platforms restrict user ages? You start. So, well, I think it definitely does. I think until a certain age, you're still developing mentally. We were, you know, as we said, we were pre-social media. Like I remember being in college, and that's when Facebook came out. And to get on Facebook, you had to have a college email address initially. Like people with um, it was originally like a college and like that's why like I don't know if like the movie is like loosely off like the true story. Um I forget what's that movie called? What it's about like Mark Zuckerberg. Have you ever seen it? No, Justin Triberlake's in it. It's a good movie to watch.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Oh, I know what you're talking about, but no, I never seen it.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Yeah, and that's all about like Facebook coming to life, but it was like originally like a college college like s like platform to engage with other college students. But then eventually and then of course it took off and now it it is what you know we see what it is today and s now millions of people are on it all over the world. Yeah. Um, but you know, that again that was college and that was just like the start of it. So I wasn't on there like, you know, posting stuff at, you know, I don't know how how young are kids going on, 12, 13, 14.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

I mean kids in elementary school will have Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

I mean you hear of people too, and I think the well, Instagram I don't here's my take on Instagram. And I don't follow a lot of people, and I don't follow a lot of even people I'm friends with, because I don't like like a long time ago I stopped doing it because I didn't like the comparison factor of it. Facebook does that feels like, yeah, but I feel like yes and no, but like when you're following someone, you're seeing like what they're doing, and like sometimes it it made me feel bad, like oh, I didn't I didn't do that today. Oh, I'm not doing this, like and and not that it should, but like we're human, so like to think that I'm like an almost 40-year-old woman, like adult. So for kids too, like to see, you know, oh your friends went here, or you're gonna see like oh they're with this person, I think it's too much, it's too much visibility into you know your others' lives, and then and then you factor in like I know like was it Snapchat, and uh, you know, I've heard stories to understand the and there's like the severity, and then there's a consequence too if they like I know some kids, like you know, girls will say, like, you you know, post a picture of your like in your bra real quick, and it like the wrong person sees that and like you think it's funny or cute. It's forever. And it's whether it's someone like you know, of authority, like a teacher or a parent, or like a kid gets hold of something and is gonna show it to other people. Um, that's like an another side of it.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

No, it's so true. So and it's like like you said, their brain development, like they don't they're not capable yet of understanding like the severity of what you're doing. Cause once it's up there, it's up there. And people think Snapchat, but that's not the case.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Yeah, all someone has to do is like take a screenshot of it.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Um, yeah, so that that part of it's like like just what age do you feel like because like I'm not a parent, I feel like it'd be so hard to decide what age is it appropriate to let your child start.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Do you feel like I feel like not until like late teens, like I mean I'd love to say like not until like they're actually driving. Like, okay, you can drive a car, like you can have Were you allowed to have MySpace? Was that the music thing? Oh no, no, that was a page. Yeah, I don't I I don't think my parents knew I had it. I did have it, I forgot about that. Yeah, it wasn't allowed. Is MySpace still a thing? I don't know. I wonder if I could find let's see, I wonder if I can find my MySpace. Uh I remember thinking that like I don't forget how long ago, but how when did that come out? Alright, so MySpace came out in 2003. So where where were you? Okay, I graduated 2008. Oh my god, so much. So where was I? So you were like just starting out wait, 2008, no, 2003.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

You were in ending middle school. Yeah. Yeah. Where were you?

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Um I was in my junior year of high school.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Okay, okay. So it came out when you were in high school.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Um it was, let's see, but when did it close? Yeah, when did it close? God, it launched just crazy. Like 20 MySpace was acquired by News Corporation for 580, 80 million in June 26. Um, let's see. In 2009, Facebook surpassed, then then Facebook came out. So I guess that's what the transition. Well, like it everyone went to Facebook. Oh instead of MySpace. As of two 2019, MySpace had seven million seven million monthly visitors. Wow. Um so but I don't know, I don't know where where it is now, but anyway, we went on that that side tangent.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Yeah, like I wasn't I but keep in mind I had older sisters, so my parents were more aware of stuff, but like I wasn't allowed out of MySpace.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

The only thing I remember doing as a kitten, which was like so dumb, and actually some of it was like I don't know how dangerous it was, but we were just idiots, was like going on AOL. Oh yeah, dude. And the connecting, waiting for the man to cross over and connect. A little yellow guy. And we would go in there was just chat rooms, and we would go in like these, like w what are the what are those like oh god, like like leather, like uh submissive type you know what I'm talking about, like submissive behavior? Oh is it like something BD BDM or BD uh there's a name for it, yeah. I know what you're talking about, and we would go in these chat rooms and like make fun of these people and like say crazy stuff and like they were like categorized, like yeah, we would find them because you remember you like not every chat was private, like, and there were so many different chat rooms, like you could search any random topic, and this is where like you know, my friends and I were crazy. Yeah. We had nothing better to do, I guess, than go in chat rooms and make fun of like these older adults who engage in this behavior. Um, so we would we would do that sometimes, but we were never like sharing any personal information. Like, I don't even remember what our names were. Actually, no, mine remember my my aim, and I remember we would talk on aim. I remember aim. Um, and my name was like Billabong spelt backwards. It was Billabong, go but it was like go no bull, whatever. It it was great because I remember once we did like this, we we like messed around and pranked one of our friends, like one of our guy friends, and he was so mad and he was like, Who the hell is no balls? It was from my name, like he didn't know my screen name. I did chat with friends and stuff. I don't I don't know. But that was like the extent of our social media. Like we didn't know. We were never sharing pictures on there, like we weren't comparing, like, because now it's just it's so instant now. It's just this instant, yeah, it's just too much. It's kind of scary to think to have like it's like when you have kids, you don't think of all these this whole facet of everything that you have to you know deal with, and I'm not there yet, but um I mean and in a little bit I'm there with like just the iPad and I But honestly, as an adult, I'm guilty of it too.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Like I've been like consciously trying to control my scrolling. I scroll way too much sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

Yeah, you get and it's sad, like you go anywhere and you look down, like some people have their head down. Yeah. I mean, you know, maybe you're texting, but yeah, we've like that that side of it, it's like you lose lose the touch. But um, but yeah, for the teens, I I I don't know what age do you think? Oh yeah, I I'm not a bad thing. 14? So I feel like they're starting earlier, but like I feel like nothing. Until you're like 13, 14, 15, like I feel like I'd be like 15.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

When yeah. What what grade are you in when you're 16? What grade is that? Is that sophomore? I think so. Or junior.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Oh gosh, maybe sophomore year. I think I mean after middle school 100%.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Middle school is is and I feel like freshman year you're still a baby. Yeah. I I would probably sophomore, junior year. Yeah, we'll see what happens in the next few years. I know. I'll be like, when you graduate and you start college. You can welcome to the gray up.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

When you're 18. Um, alright. Any anything else on that you want to touch on? No, no. Alright, then our other fun topic uh was about ethics and morality. Uh so we uh assisted dying. Is physician-assisted suicide a compassionate right for terminally ill patients, or is it a dangerous ethical slippery slope?

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Wow, that just got super serious. You know, we went we went that went deep.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Yep. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 12:49

I think you brought up a valid point earlier about like like animals, like if somebody's living in pain and they don't have a any quality like of life, like it's torture. Like if you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Yeah, it's torture to keep them on machines or like living a life like if someone's like you know mentally not all there, and you know, as you get you age. Like, well, what made me actually think about that was when we had to put one of our dogs down, when I had to put Sadie down. And the vet said, and he made me feel so much better, he said, Imagine if we treated humans as compassionate as we treated animals, like at their and their end of life. He's like, you are letting your dog like go before it's to the point of like discomfort, and you know, like you leave on a like a better note than like waiting till like they're barely moving, they're not eating, you know, like because some people push it, like some people their dogs are sick and they put them through like all this different treatment, and like it's because you love it. Yeah, you don't want them to leave, but you have to think of it like if it were you or another, like a human loved one. It's this it's so when he said that it really put into really opened up my eyes. It made me again, it made me feel better about what I was doing that I was making the right decision. Um, and then you know, that's why I think in in certain circumstances, but again, like where do you draw the line? Like there would have to be and I don't even know what the criteria is now.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

I know where it's like, is it like I'm trying to think where it was where they had done it what it was another country, it was like assisted like is it called assisted suicide? Yeah, is that what it's called? Assisted suicide, and it was like an elderly couple, somebody was ill, I think they were like in their 80s or something like that, and they did it together, and like I felt like I I get that. Yeah, but so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

I do think there's a certain you know, yeah, like certain criteria that's like just let people at the time, it's time. I mean, not everyone can just drift away peacefully, so I mean that's what you hope for everyone. So um is there anything anything else on that? No? Um since we were talking about death, we figured we should end on a little funny and light-hearted uh controversial questions to wrap it up here. Like a note. Um is a hot dog a sandwich? This is debatable in my opinion, because it is wrapped in like it's on bread, but it's but it's on a long to me, it's all then again, a hoagie's a long roll. Right? But it's like Frankfurter. I think it's own it's its own category. Yeah, because like when I think just like hamburgers, I feel like burgers and hot dogs are its own category plus sandwiches.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

You because when I think sandwiches, I think like deli meat and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Yeah, or like tuna salad, chicken salad.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Yeah. Tuna salad and salad's pretty good. Uh honestly, with like some um I like a chicken salad with like walnuts and grapes and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Yes. Delicious. It's almost lunchtime here.

unknown 15:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Uh, is peanut butter better than Nutella? I think 100%. Excuse me? You don't think so? You like Nutella better?

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Wow, you really love you were not even torn with it.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

I love peanut butter. Love it. I used to be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Well, you don't like my bowls because you got a piece there that you didn't eat. No, I'm gonna eat it. I'm just waiting. The thing is, you mean to tell me Nutella together?

SPEAKER_00 16:09

How about together?

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Okay, but I do love peanut butter.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

I if I had to pick, I would pick peanut butter all day.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

If I had to pick overall, that's like a staple.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

It's just I I love it.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

I don't know, because uh honestly, have you had the biscotti cookie butter?

SPEAKER_00 16:23

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

I'm with you, like foundationally, if I had to pick, it'd be peanut butter. Yeah, but I do love Nutella, I could tell you that much. By the spoonful, I ate it.

unknown 16:35

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Um, alright. Is summer better than winter? Not here.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Yeah, not here.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Not in Florida, but it's like always technically in Florida it's always summer. But then like summer is like an extreme summer. No, it's not that bad.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

The heat the past couple days has been like I know someone was here, I forget which state she lives in, and she's like, Oh my god, the heat. And I'm like, huh, you think it's that bad? I like convince myself it's not that bad just to tolerate it, but then once we get to like late fall and like winter, it's like you're like, oh my god, this is why I tolerated the the heat.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Yeah, because it was like when I was leaving Costco the other day, I was like, this is a different kind of level of heat today. Like it was like scorch you, but it is pretty during the stay hydrated.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Yeah. Um all right, and we'll do the last one. Is breakfast truly the most important meal of the day?

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Not for me.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

I mean, it should be I mean, but I don't know if it's the most important, but I I love breakfast and I have to I don't know why. Like I have to eat something breakfast related.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

It's good for you though.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Like I can't, you know, some people like can wake up and like they can eat leftovers or they'll have pizza. Like I can't do it. Like even if you're hung over. No, I can't.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

I have to have something, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Br I have to have like either like my oatmeal or a yogurt or like even a piece of fruit, and then I can like move to something else. I don't know what it is about me. Like it makes me cringe to not actually eat it.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Breakfast lunch dinner, which is your like favorite like time to eat of the day.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

All day, all night.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Yeah, all day, every day.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Um none of them. I feel like I don't even like during the weeks, it's just seems like I don't even like lunch.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Well, probably because I'm on summer and I actually eat lunch.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Like breakfast or lunch, probably. Yeah, samey, same. So but also dessert. Yeah, don't forget dessert. So uh we'll hit you up next time for some. Yeah, we'll be back. Send us some topics for episode two. Episode two coming at you. See ya later.