ANN COULTER on BORDER CHAOS + WAR?

In this explosive episode of SOS America, Charles Feldman sits down with bestselling author and conservative firebrand Ann Coulter to unpack one of the most controversial figures in modern politics: Donald Trump.

Known for her sharp commentary and unapologetic views, Ann Coulter rose to prominence in the 1990s as a legal analyst and political columnist. She’s the author of multiple New York Times bestselling books and became one of the most influential conservative voices in America — particularly on immigration, nationalism, and media criticism.

But where does she stand now?

Is Ann Coulter still one of Trump’s strongest supporters — or has she become one of his most vocal critics?

In this candid conversation, they explore:

• 🇺🇸 Trump’s immigration policies — did they deliver or fall short?
• 🧠 Coulter’s long-standing stance on border control and nationalism
• 🇲🇽 Why Mexico remains central to US political debate
• 🇨🇺 Is Cuba an overlooked geopolitical issue?
• ⚠️ Have political missteps weakened Trump’s agenda?
• 🌍 Why critics claim Trump is escalating global tensions

With decades of political commentary behind her, Coulter brings insider perspective, sharp analysis, and unfiltered opinions to one of the most important debates in America today.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Why are we constantly sending our, you know, fighter jets and all of our military intelligence over to Ukraine or Afghanistan? How about Mexico? They're really hurting us. I'm pretty sure we got all the good Cubans. All the ones with like thrift and industry. They they hopped on a boat and they came over here. So, I mean, I would guess, I mean, it won't be, I don't think it'll be something devastating like 9-11, but we'll probably have, you know, a few more random lone wolf terrorist attacks here in America that we would not otherwise have had. Tim Dillon, the comedian, said, I tweet retweeted this last night and gave a little monologue saying, hey, everybody, just tell Trump, great job, we won! Thanks, President Trump. Anything to get him to stop, stop this pointless war. And if we can just do the mass deportations and build the wall. Now, Trump has taken his eye off the ball. I think he is really running down the image of the Republican Party. I think it's very hard for any, it's gonna be very hard for any Republican to say no more stupid wars and be believed.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

This is the podcast, as we've been telling you for many months now, that asks the question what the hell is happening in America right now? It's a question that we originally thought would be of most interest to people outside the country. Turns out it is of great interest to people inside the country. But right now, uh I have a very uh I think it's fair to say interesting, and I I use that uh uh in a complimentary way, uh interesting guest um who has been often described as a political fire brand. So I looked up uh in the dictionary the definition of fire brand. So uh one definition of fire brand in the dictionary is a piece of burning wood. Well, that's not I I don't think that applies to to my next guest. She's not a piece of burning wood, but the other one I think does uh a person who is passionate about a particular cause, typically inciting change and taking radical action. I think that does actually describe our guest Ann Coulter, who is a uh uh conservative uh for whatever one wants to consider the word conservative to mean. Conservative political uh commentator, author, uh an attorney, also by by training. Um, and very nice to have you with us on SOS America. Thank you. Great to see you again, Charles. So let me let me start off. Uh I know we once talked about this a long time ago on my old radio show, but much more time has gone by, much more of Donald Trump uh in the White House. And I should point out to people who may not be familiar with you, especially if they are not uh watching this in the United States, that you know, you were, and I think it's fair to say, you were a supporter of Donald Trump when he first ran uh the first time around in the White House. You even wrote a book that had the title In Trump We Trust, right? So uh and then you soured on him. Maybe, maybe he soured on you too, because I know you guys used to communicate, right? Maybe you still do. I don't know. We'll find that out. Um so the first question is what happened? What why did your love affair, if you wish, with Donald Trump, a political love affair, why did that come crashing to earth?

SPEAKER_03 4:02

Um I was a huge supporter, and just a few weeks into his campaign after the Mexican rapist speech, uh, at the time I remember all my friends uh saying, wait, you're not supporting Trump, are you? Um we were all familiar generally with his persona, uh, which was not like you know, Cary Grant exactly. Um and I said, look, yes, I know he's uh an Araviste Vulgarian. Don't get me wrong, I understand, I understand all the reasons a lot of people dislike him. Um I'm I see their point. Uh but I've been waiting to vote on this basket of issues uh my whole life. Mainly immigration, mainly immigration, the wall, the wall, the wall. Um, and for those of you who don't remember, oh my gosh, that was front and center of his entire campaign, 2015-2016, at every rally, and he had rallies constantly. I mean, they're chalk etchings, they're t-shirts, it was build the wall, build the wall. There were jokes about build the wall. Um I've had other friends of mine who supported Trump and noticed that there was never a wall, um, say, oh, I never thought there was going to be wall. Well, I'm sorry, that's a lie. Of course, you couldn't not think there was going to be the one thing I thought we were gonna get, and they all thought we were gonna get, was a wall. And once he became president, I mean, his I I I think his Achilles heel is, um, which was always a danger, was that he really wants to be loved by New York elites, all the people who hate him. That was always a winning point for me, the fact that New York elites hated him. I thought he had finally gotten the message. They don't like you. Stop trying to impress them. And boy, his campaign was not designed to impress New York elites. But when he got into office, um that's who he wanted to impress. He hired all swamp creatures. I was very gentle with him for a while, other than this has come out not originally from me, but from him. Um, I did show up in the Oval Office around March of his first year and stood at the resolute desk yelling at him because he hadn't done anything on the wall, he hadn't done anything on NAFTA. The basket of issues being no more pointless wars, immigration, immigration, immigration, and bringing trade back. Um and I think he he kind of punted on all of them while trying to get the New York Times to like him.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Well, I'm fascinated by this, by this, uh I'm trying to picture this in my head now. So you're in the resolute uh uh at the resolute desk in the Oval Office, right? And as you just described it, you're yelling at the president of the United States. How does that go down? How does that how does that work?

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Um well, it started off relatively gentle. As my tweets did, I was for the first like I don't know, two years, a little less than two years, I would I would nudge him on Twitter, you know, very gentle complaints, my border wall update that I would issue daily. Miles built today, zero. Miles built yesterday, zero. Next update tomorrow. So that went on and on and on. And then when he signed the third funding bill out of Congress with no funding for the wall, which by the way, he never needed, but he seemed to think he needed. So if you think you need it, can you call up the Republican House and the Republican Senate and tell them you need wall funding? Um, but no, he just, I mean, he hired all those ridiculous woke generals. And uh, I mean, I wrote how they were going to describe or how they were going to destroy um Trump's presidency around, I don't know, September after, or um rather um in November, I think, weeks after the election, and that was all of the government would be opposed to his position on immigration. If they weren't entirely opposed, it would have been done already because the American people have been voting for less immigration every time they've been able to vote on it. And somehow it never gets done. Um, so I said, look, there they don't have to come out and directly oppose you, it just won't happen. Um they'll, you know, collapse at the first lawsuit from the you know, some environmental rights group about how the wall is going to upset the snail darter or something. Um it just won't get done. You have to hire people who know how to get it done, who know there's going to be resistance. And no, he he he did none of that. So I was I was very, very down on him, term one, um, and in across our 2000-mile border, how many miles of wall got built? Only in his last year, when he was about to face re-election, um, 31 miles, 31 miles of a 2000 world war um mile border. And by the way, I don't I don't think he's built any of it yet. Now, second term. Second term term started off with a bang, and I was um once again, yay, this is the Trump I voted for. He's back. Um, and that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Well, but even though he didn't build the wall that the you just said was really of paramount importance to you, he didn't do it, but you still were willing to vote for him. Was your vote because you were uh so against voting for somebody like Kamala Harris? So was it an anti-Harris vote? Or how was it a pro-Trump vote if the guy didn't do the number one thing for you that he promised to do?

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Well, I will tell you, in 2020, oh, my vote was up for grabs. Um I sat out in the parking lot outside the uh voters registrar, I filled out all the other, the other ones were easy, you know, initiatives, I don't know, House, Senate, local elections, those I filled out 60 seconds, and then I just sat there staring at Trump Biden. I mean, I'm sort of embarrassed to say this Biden was so horrific, and I knew he would be. But I, you know, if we're not gonna get a wall, if we're going to have mass third-world immigration, if we're going to keep, you know, pissing on the working class in America and stage endless pointless wars, I'd rather have the Democrats doing it than the Republicans. So I will say in 2020, there was a large lack of enthusiasm. Um, I was not at all surprised that he lost. You know, there's one demographic uh that went down in votes for Trump in 2020 compared to 2016. He increased his vote among overall um women, uh, blacks, Hispanics, um, you know, by education, this, that, or the other. The one demographic where his vote declined significantly was white males. And the second largest was just was just white people generally. Um, maybe it was maybe it was non-college educated whites. Um, because he didn't he can, you know, have his campaign manufacture those finish building the wall signs all they want, which is just rubbing salt into the wound. Um, but people can look around and see there's no wall. Nothing, he didn't end anchor babies. He didn't, he didn't, he he invites the dreamers, illegal aliens, um, to the White House to talk about what incredible kids they are. Oh, incredible, I'm gonna do something great for them. Okay, that's not, that is so not what he campaigned on. You can think I'm right or wrong about that, but that's why I wrote in Trump We Trust. That's why he got more votes than any other Republican in Republican primary history, and then he gets into office and blows it all off. 2024, I will say that vote was enthusiastic, not only in the negative way, that um I thought, you know, Kamala and the DEI and all of that nonsense, and oh my gosh, Tim Waltz. No, it I would have voted for Mickey Mouse over that team. But um it seemed pretty clear, and I mean, who knows? It's the campaign again. He knows what to say when he's campaigning. But it seems like, and it certainly seemed like the first year of his presidency, the one great thing that happened was that he did lose in 2020, and the Democrats went insane, and they spent four years prosecuting him for nonsense. And remember, Charles, I hated the guy. And every one of those prosecutions, every one of those lawsuits, the only one that even described something that was actually against the law was the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. That was, they were under subpoena, that was genuinely against the law. Nothing else was even against the law. Um, but you know, lots of presidents do that. You had the classified documents in Biden's garage, you had Hillary with, you know, destroying her email servers. So look, historically, presidents are given a lot of latitude on that. So even that was overreach, the one thing that even described something that was possibly against the law. And I think that made not only Trump really angry, which made him a better candidate and a better president, but it made I mean, if you supporters of any stripe really, really angry at the left for for I mean really this third-world behavior, going after a president they just hated.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Right, but you know, but you know you don't believe that he that he won the election against Joe Biden, do you?

SPEAKER_03 13:58

No, no, no. I wrote quite a quite a bit about that, making the point I just made to you. Maybe it's because he didn't keep his promises. You know, uh, look, presidents run on one or two or three big issues. You can't say the this is the dozen things I'm running on, which by the way was Ron DeSantis's problem. Oh my gosh, he was just like check, checkbox conservative. Yep, I'm for this, I'm for this, I'm for the no, no, no, just concentrate on how you were great on COVID, you're great on immigration, um, you're great on national security, you know, whatever. He's and he's a great administrator. No, he was all over the map. Okay, Reagan's big issues, I'm gonna cut taxes and get the economy running again. And he did. Um, I'm gonna destroy the Soviet Union, we are going to win the Cold War. It's not going to be detente with the Cold. And he did. And then he won the biggest re-election in US history. If Trump had built the wall, not like randomly bombed foreign countries and been on the horn to you know, Maggie Haberman of the New York Times every day, and hadn't brought illegals to the White House to talk about how wonderful they are, he would have won in a bigger landslide than in US history. But no, if you're if Trump, if Reagan had gotten in and started talking like Jimmy Carter and calling the Soviet Union, oh, Americans have an inordinate fear of communism, he wouldn't have won re-election either. So I do think the mail-in ballots are very, very bad. There was an enormous amount of cheating. Democrats always cheat. I'm sure they cheated in 1984 when Reagan won the biggest landline.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

And do you do you do you vote by mail?

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Um generally not. Beyond is well, I I I don't like to talk about where I live, so let's move on to that.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

Well, without saying, it's relevant. It's relevant. Wherever it is that you live in the United States, have you ever taken a couple of years?

SPEAKER_03 16:06

Whether I have or haven't, I would be willing to give up the possibility of voting by mail to have a couple of things: one day for voting and no absentee, and that would hurt Republicans way more than it hurts Democrats, because you know, who travels for some sort of job? Republicans. They're businessmen, they're on the road, they're on the plane.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

You know, that and that answer alone shows that you were trained as an attorney. Just just the way, just the way you answered that question. But all right, so so so but but all right, but let's all right, so he didn't build the wall, and the wall was really important to you and to many others, clearly, uh uh, or they wouldn't have voted for the man. But uh I would make the argument that in 2024, a bigger promise that he made than building the wall, which as you correctly pointed out, he really didn't do. There was some patchwork done to parts of the wall that were, you know, sort of in ill repair, but certainly nothing uh along the lines of what he was talking about when he ran the first time. But the bigger promise he made for uh the term that he is now uh fulfilling is that he wouldn't get us involved in uh a foreign war. Uh and in fact, the platform for the Republicans was you want a foreign war, vote for the Democrats, vote for for Kamala Harris. Uh, you know, then we're gonna get enmeshed in some war in some far-off land, and American uh boys and girls are gonna, you know, have their lives uh shattered because of it. Well, at the time we're we're we're doing this uh recording for the podcast, um that promise uh certainly has not been fulfilled. It has been broken big time. Uh so so d does that disturb you more than the fact that he didn't build a stupid wall.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

Um I'd say they're wrong and pretty neck and neck. It's pretty huge. I think it's a disaster. I think it's a disaster for the Republicans, I think it is a disaster for the Trump administration. I'm Tim Dillon, the comedian, said I tweet retweeted this last night and gave a little monologue saying, hey, everybody, just tell Trump, great job. We won. Thanks, President Trump. Anything to get him to stop, stop this pointless war. And I mean, I've seen that all over from, you know, Andrew Sullivan and David Sachs and me. I mean, I haven't written about it, but I've tweeted a lot about it. No, no, no, this Iran. I'm so the two eternals of American life are we will never stop third world immigration, no matter how you vote, no matter how many times you tell politicians, and we will never stop sending, staging pointless wars, utterly pointless wars that you taxpayers have to pay for, including, oh, by the way, a few war crimes at this point. Wow. Smashing that, killing 166 little schoolgirls, smashing, what is it, Lebanon's desalinization plant. They they can't survive without water. I mean, it's just one 31 medical workers, it's one after another. And the argument always is, Charles, it's the same thing. Everybody we go to war with, it's Hitler. It's not Hitler. Number two, we don't want them to get a nuke. And look, a lot of countries have nukes. Um, North Korea has a nuke. Uh, Pakistan has a nuke. At some point, a lot of countries are gonna get nukes. MAD actually works pretty well. It's not our job to make sure every country doesn't get nukes. Oh, and footnote, I thought three months ago the attack on Iran completely obliterated their nuclear program. So we've got to stop defending every pointless war against countries that pose no danger to any American unless they're over there, um, or unless we let them come here.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Um, well, you left out one you left out one part of the equation, which is that that those who are supportive of the war, uh including, by the way, the White House clearly, is that the danger is not just to Americans, but the danger is to an ally of ours, which is the only democracy in the Middle East at the moment, uh, although with many caveats, uh, Israel. Do you not buy that? Is that not worth doing this?

SPEAKER_03 20:47

No, it's in the abstract, it's it's worth it, but we obliterated their nuclear program. And I I I mean, this war after October 7th, I think I, like most people, thought pretty much anything. Do what you want. Um, Netanyahu um laid total waste to Gaza, just never ending, never ending brutal, brutal attacks. And they didn't have regime regime change there. So how are they gonna do it in a huge does anyone really think we're going to affect regime change in Iran and get something better? I mean, we obliterated the nuclear, their nuclear program. I think that's enough for now. And by the way, they know if if if I think every country over there knows if if a hair on an Israeli's head is hurt, they will get this. But I'm there's nothing left to threaten them if we do it when they're not doing anything.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

So, all right, so let let's let's rehearse this, right? So you you already had one encounter in the Oval Office years ago with Donald Trump, and you expressed your great dismay. To say the least, that he didn't fulfill his promise the first time around to build the wall. Now you're upset with him because of the war in Iran. And I would argue, I think you're correct to be upset about that. So uh you have a chance again. You're invited into the Oval Office. There's there's old Donald Trump sitting behind his resolute desk. There you are. All right. What are you gonna argue with him now? What are you gonna say to him?

SPEAKER_03 22:29

I don't think I'm going to be invited back, Charles.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Let's play along. It's a hypothetical. Pretend I'm Trump. So I'm Donald Trump. I'm sitting behind the the desk. I just got off a phone call with Jared. And um and I say taking those calls, sir. And I say, Ann, nice to see you again. Over to you. What do you say?

SPEAKER_03 22:58

Um, it began a little differently. He saw me from a distance and said something like, Oh, wait a minute, what do you mean from a distance? Betray you. Well, I'm just outside the Oval Office.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

You weren't like at the Washington Monument or something.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

No, everybody knew I was coming in.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Okay. The gates parted.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Um, so as I'm approaching the door of the oval, he said called me something like the big betrayer. And I said, Oh, oh, you want to talk about betrayers? Um, and I did never sit down. And the two people who who brought me to the Oval Office um had come up to the resolute desk with me at the end of my 20 minutes of this. Um, there was a lot of cursing, but I didn't start it.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

Uh he was cursing.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Oh he was the first one to use the F-word, but I can't say I didn't let it fly. At the end of, I was there for about 15 minutes, um, yelling at him. Um, and at the end of the meeting, I noticed that the two people who brought me in were staring at the back of the room. I don't know who brought her in.

unknown 24:07

All right.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

So, so but okay, so so but you have another chance now, you know, because we all know that Donald Trump uh uh loves to give people chances, certainly pardons if enough money is paid. Uh so uh uh that was a cheap shot. Well, actually with Trump it wouldn't be. Deadly true. All right, so you have an opportunity. What but what would you what would your argument be to him? I mean, I mean you've kind of made the argument now, but what if you had an opportunity to talk to him directly, one-on-one, what would you say to him about this adventure, if you will, in the Middle East?

SPEAKER_03 24:47

Um I'd say, sir, I supported the snatching of Maduro, that is in our hemisphere. Uh, Venezuela is the one providing the shipping to get the cocaine from Colombia to Mexico, where it comes into our country and kills 100,000 Americans. That is what not only was just such an impressive use of American military force, but that actually has something to do with keeping Americans safe. Um, you always hear the permanent war crowd saying, um, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. No, Charles, we can't. We can't. Whenever we're doing one of these foreign wars, anything having to do with immigration or having to do with Americans just falls by the wayside and more and more immigrants get waved in. Oh, and and once the war is over, we have to take all the Iranian refugees. We're taking Ukrainian refugees and oh my gosh, the Afghan refugees. How about we don't go to war in the first place? It redoubles the immigration problem. Um, and I said, really, I would say this isn't making America great. Um, people really want to support you. Um, but yet and still, polls show that not only do Americans very much not like this war, but even Republicans, this is the least popular a war has been at the beginning. That's always when it's the most popular. This is the least popular war we've been in since polls have been taken. You are losing your own MAGA crowd. Um, this is going to be a disaster for the midterms. Um, I think Democrats could pick up, if if he doesn't wrap this up fast and hope people forget about it. Um I think we could lose 230, 260, not lose them, but Democrats could take 230, 260 seats in the House. They're going to win a majority in the Senate. He's definitely going to be impeached. He might even be removed. I think this is going to be so bad for the midterms, depending on how long on how long it goes on. If if Tim Dylan, if people follow Tim Dylan's advice and say, good job, sir, you won. It's over. Um if we can get him to wrap it up, oh, I don't know, in the next 36 hours, um, maybe it won't it won't be that bad. Um, but it doesn't look like he wants to wrap it up in the next 36 hours. To what end I I can't imagine. Um, and when the Democrats get in, we won't get the good stuff that I think most people, probably you and I, would agree, is the good stuff you would get from Democrats, like opposing a pointless war, which they pretend to do, you know, as long as Donald Trump is doing it, but they're actually totally copacetic with that. They will not stop the pointless wars, they absolutely will open the borders, we will get so much DEI. Um, you, a white male, will be dead, dead to America. Try to show up before a judge. You will be guilty. It will be you'll be the one they will pack the Supreme Court. It will be such a disaster. He will wreck the country with this because Democrats are gonna do so well in the midterms because this is such a stupid, stupid war.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Do you think let me rephrase the question? Why do you think then that Trump is doing this? Uh I mean, is he uh is he stupid? It does he not realize that he's losing uh you mentioned his base, the MAGA folks, the Make America Great uh Again folks. Does he not I mean we know he he he watches television uh maybe more than he should. Uh he does, I guess, at least glance at at news headlines, certainly anything that's on online. He must know that this is not going over well with his base. So do you have any theories why he is pursuing it? I mean, some people would argue, well, maybe because he's being presidential and he realizes there is some great and imminent threat, as he claimed there was from Iran, and he's willing to lose his base in order to accomplish the greater good. But I don't think you buy that. And if you don't buy that, then what explanation is there?

SPEAKER_03 29:22

It's it's a tough one. Um, I saw a tweet last night that I don't know, I keep no, it's like two days ago. It keeps popping into my head. Um, I did not retweet it. I thought it was too mean. Uh maybe I'll go back and retweet it after this because it makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

You thought it was too mean, but you're gonna do it. Okay, what now you got my now you got my career. What is it, Ann? What is it?

SPEAKER_03 29:48

I think I have this right. Um it was a woman tweeting it saying, Um, I have concluded either Trump is a complete imbecile, uh a pedophile, and they they have a lot on him in the Epstein files, or he isn't the Antichrist. I have no other explanation.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Wow. Okay. Uh well let's take that one at a time. Let's take that one at a time. Let's do it in in reverse order. The Antichrist? I don't know. Are you religious?

SPEAKER_03 30:30

Yes, but I I think the problem with the for one thing, we're never gonna know. I don't think we'll know who the Antichrist is. The trick with the Antichrist is people always think it'll be, you know, like Dracula. Um, what's what's dangerous about the Antichrist is that um everyone loves him. I mean, Obama would make a more plausible antichrist. Um when when half the country um hates Trump with a hot, hot hate of a thousand sons, he can't be the antichrist. So that one's off.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

Okay. All right, what's left? We have pedophile and epstein.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Well, I don't think he's I absolutely will never believe, and there, you know, I don't I don't think Clinton is either. This isn't a partisan thing. I do not think Trump is a pedophile. Um, but it does kind of make you wonder, not on the pedophilia thing, but is there something in the Epstein files that he's really terrified of coming out? That certain I I I would have kind of laughed at that until until this, but is there something?

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Um and then wait, and then and then wait, but then then is the notion that if that's the case and he's aware of that, that the war is just a giant deflection?

SPEAKER_03 31:45

No, that he's being blackmailed.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Okay, being blackmailed, but but the question is why is he doing a a war that he knows and he must know is not going over well with his own base? And and my original question was, do you think he's stupid? Uh if if you take him being stupid off the table, and maybe you're not prepared to do that.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

I haven't.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

You haven't, okay. So but but let's for the moment put stupid stupid aside. Uh so even if he's being you know blackmailed, that wouldn't explain going to war in in Iran.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

Well, someone blackmailing him into doing that.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Into doing, but who would well who would blackmail him?

SPEAKER_03 32:27

Netanyahu.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

So Netanyahu has a file.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

I'm not saying this is my theory. No, I'm going by the the options of a mean tweet I thought that I thought was funny.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

All right. And now what was the first I forgot, what was the first one? There were three.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

The first one was, I think, a complete imbecile, which I've not completely written off, Charles.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Okay, so you're not you're not going to take imbecile or stupidity off the the uh the table.

SPEAKER_03 32:55

But although you know, imbecile is better than idiot in this case, because I mean when talking about it's semi-seriously, and I don't know. Uh he he does for all his because I he he isn't stupid, and there are so many things I really like about him. I thought is I should say his State of the Union address just it it blew me away. It was fantastic. And I was thinking part of what I love about him so much is that he just has your basic American instincts and loves this country, and it was just so patriotic and so American. I thought, okay, this is the Trump I love. Um, I love, I should footnote this as a warning to future Republican candidates. I love that he did not pick a woman as his vice president. I'm sick of Republicans. I mean, look at all just look at Trump's women appointees, Amy Coney Barrett, um, Pam Bondi, Christy Gnome. Oh, that's gone great. Look at Reagan's woman appointee, Sandra Day O'Connor. Would you knock this off, Republicans? We are the party of competent white men.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

I don't you think that would be a slogan that would get people elected when we're the party of competent white men.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

Well, I'll take competent men.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

So there are plenty of non-white men I love in their positions.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

So you mentioned something just in passing about uh after the midterms, and and this would have have to happen uh only if the Democrats take both the House and the Senate, an impeachment and then a removal from office, that would require the Senate uh being uh Democratic, right? Um do you see, even if that were to happen, and and the Senate is still a little, I think, a lot more actually iffy, I think, than the House turning Democrat. Yeah. Um, but let's say it does. Do you think that having seen what happened the first round where he was impeached, not once but twice, uh and it helped him, right? So do you think that the Democrats would be so stupid to do it again? Uh and for what purpose? His term would be by the time they had hearings and they did all the other things that go along with it, his term would be more than half over anyway. So uh, you know, and he's barred by the Constitution, no matter what he thinks, or they think, to run again. And and so the only real advantage of a conviction in the in an impeachment proceeding and being thrown out of the White House is he wouldn't be able to go back in, but he couldn't go back in anyway. So, do you really think the Democrats are going to spend a lot of time and effort on on that? And and wouldn't that just uh alienate the public that much more?

SPEAKER_03 35:47

You and I would think so. I think probably the Senate and even you know, like the New York Times, MSNBC would probably try to put the kibosh on it if they were sure they didn't have the votes in the Senate. I guess it depends how bad the midterms are. You're probably right, Democrats won't get two-thirds in the Senate. That would be very, very hard. I haven't looked at the map, but probably impossible. Um, so yeah, they'd probably put the kibosh on it. But in general, are Democrats that stupid? Um, and I guess stupidity isn't isn't the right word here. It's it's there is such burning hatred for Trump. I mean, that's that was the thesis of my last book, Resistance is Futile, how the um how the left lost, or Trump caused the left to lose its collective mind. They so hate him that they do things that are self-descript destructive. Um, they'll blow up their own party just because they hate him. They hate him. I've never seen a political figure so hated. You probably don't watch this, but um I'm kind of a regular viewer of MSNBC. Um, and it's the same as Colbert and the other, well, they're all gone now, but the late night show, it's just the same thing over and over and over again. And okay, even I can, and I'm a hate watcher, I can only watch, you know, five or ten minutes a day. But you realize there are, I don't know, at least 500,000, to quote JD Vance, angry cat ladies just home watching the same thing, the same hate, keep saying mean things about Trump over and over and over. They'll just they never tire of it. The hatred is like not so that's not quite the stupidity, but it is zealotry.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

You mentioned uh that you were supportive of what Trump did uh with Venezuela, the removal of Madora and and in effect taking over the oil uh coming out of the ground of Venezuela. But now he's turned his his attention, he says, to Cuba. Uh are you as supportive of whatever it is? And it's not clear to me, actually, maybe it is to you. And and if if it is, then please enlighten me. What exactly he's trying to do with Cuba? Is it regime change? Does he think that the the communist uh government did that has been entrenched for more than or about half a century is going to all of a sudden vanish? I mean, what is he trying to do in Cuba?

SPEAKER_03 38:19

I I completely agree with you. I I think it would be utterly moronic. Venezuela is completely different. They were actually doing things that were hurting Americans. For one thing, dumping all of their criminals on our country. But like I say, they were the crucial shipping route of the cocaine from Colombia to Mexico, and the drugs are killing America. I mean, why are we bombing Iran instead of the Mexican drug cartels? You remember like a month back when I think it was the Mexican government that attacked some big cartel leader and there was a huge firefight, and we all had friends vacationing there, and you see the videos. And I was so hoping it was our country. Why are we constantly sending our fighter jets and all of our military intelligence over to Ukraine or Afghanistan? How about Mexico? They're really hurting us. So, I mean, as I wrote after Venezuela, we need to go back to making all of Latin America a client state of ours. Um, no, they are not going to become Jeffersonian democracies. Cuba, I mean, we all talk about how, oh, it wouldn't be great if it were fun and they were gambling and it was a great resort again. Okay, that's not gonna happen. I'm pretty sure we got all the good Cubans, all the ones with like thrift and industry. They they hopped on on a boat and they came over here. So great. I love America. I think we've left the dregs behind. Let them stay there. They're no threat to us. Let, you know, it's Bernie's the liberals need someplace to honeymoon.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

Can you can you ever see yourself, maybe you have. I don't, you know, and you certainly don't have to tell me, but can you see yourself voting for a Democrat? Have you ever voted for a Democrat? I'm gonna ask you anyway. Have you?

SPEAKER_03 40:06

I don't think so. And I mean it's funny you say that because since this Iran war, I I I've I I can't say I've said to myself, yes, I would vote for a Democrat. This is this is so stupid. But like I say, the problem with Democrats is I don't think you'd get the good what I like in theory about Democrats. They pretend to care about the working class. They pretend to care about the regular guy. Um they pretend uh to not to you know oppose the quote genocide in Gaza. They would pretend they would put some brakes on this, um on the war crimes, for example. But that's just that's just them talking because Trump is president. I don't think we would get any of that. I think the progressives have moved in so far into the Democratic Party, I don't think we'd get any of the good stuff with the Democrats. If, and well, this will be the kiss of death, but if some Democrat like like um Um Ned Lamont, the governor of Connecticut, which you know nobody's heard of because he's not a complete raving nutcase. He's a Democrat, he's been a great governor, um, he's definitely way more liberal than I am on all kinds of things, but he's a good administrator, he's smart, he's he didn't destroy the state over COVID. There's no way the Democrats would ever nominate him. He's a white heterosexual male, not a chance.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Who do you think the Democrats will?

SPEAKER_03 41:44

Well, oddly enough, after saying that, they might nominate Gavin Newsom, whom I gather is a white meterosexual uh male. But but on the plus side, he's kind of destroyed the state of California. So there's a feather in his cap.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

But would America vote for him? For Gavin?

SPEAKER_03 42:03

It is not beyond the realm of possibility, but I would have said I would have been much more pessimistic about it before this Iran war. I really think this is so uh I look maybe they'll wrap it up soon. And maybe I'll be, I will happily eat my words if we could just get pull out, get it over with, just make it this short nightmare of war crimes committed in our name for no points. And Americans dying for no point, not helping America.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

Um, but also as yeah, but also as you know, and I mean, you know, even if it were to be wrapped up in in fairly short order, i it it wars have have consequences that go on uh and that are unpredictable for often decades to come. So I don't think anyone is really in a position, and certainly not the White House, to know, even if it were to end you know next week, uh the damage has been done. Uh, you know, the bombing of Tehran and other parts of Iran, you uh alluded earlier in the podcast to uh that a very tragic uh episode involving schoolgirls um in Iran, which the U.S. tried to say was the Iranians, but it turns out it looks pretty much like it was us, it was the U.S. that that by mistake, but nonetheless, that that bombed that uh girls' school uh there. That's not going to make people in Iran uh start chanting life to America as opposed to death to America.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

Yes. No, you're right. That's uh I mean I remember when uh for no reason at all Trump assassinated who was that uh the the Iranian names are all swimming in my head now.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

Uh oh, it was one of one of the big jet uh uh I think it was a big clerics. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

He was on his way to Iraq. I can describe what he was doing.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

Interestingly, Iraqis and Iranians are the ones who credited him with ending ISIS, with destroying ISIS. I know Trump gives himself all the credit. I'm not disputing it. But the who the Muslim Puba comedy or something? Anyway, um, I'm confused by all the Iranian names at this precise moment. He was on his way to a peace meeting in Iraq, allegedly, and for out of the blue, Trump decides to assassinate him. Um, Iraqis were upset by that. Republic Americans had to pull all their troops out of Iraq. And at the time, one of the things I was thinking was, hmm, they'll bide their time. But wow, we have just pissed off Iran. And wow, we have just pissed off Iraq for no reason whatsoever. Um, and now you have the school kids. Um, and you have you've just knocked out the nuclear capability, and Iran was in the middle of making a deal with us, and we start start a war with them. So, yes, you are right. Uh I mean, I would guess, I mean, it won't be, I don't think it'll be something devastating like 9-11, but we'll probably have, you know, a few more random lone wolf terrorist attacks here in America that we would not otherwise have had.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

And that's you know, it's interesting, uh, and and I'm I'm sure there'll be some historian who will watch this who will take issue with what I'm saying. But I think this is right. Uh, because you mentioned that we uh launched the attack on Iran at a time when the United States was still engaged in negotiations, ostensibly, to head off a war with Iran. But didn't the United, didn't uh way back uh before World War II, were the Japanese engaged in in uh negotiations with the U.S. when they uh attacked Pearl Harbor, and we claimed rightly so that the Japanese were not were being disingenuous in their negotiations? Or is my history wrong about that? I don't think it is, but I might be.

SPEAKER_03 46:21

No, you could be right about that. We were we had some traitorous um Americans persuading the Japanese that Americans were about to stage a a sneak attack on them. So otherwise you're right. It makes no it makes no sense. Why would why would you do that? Why do you want to wake the sleeping giant?

SPEAKER_01 46:46

Right, you know. Where do you see this this country and in five years? You know, you know what? Actually, they got five years. Too long. Two years.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

You know, two weeks ago, I would have said we would be much, much better off in a million different ways because that is when Trump was concentrating on immigration. And I've said this a million times, although not once in your podcast, so I'll say it again. Solving immigration makes everything easier. It eases up the housing crisis. You have, you know, so many fewer criminals to arrest and imprison. Uh, you have more jobs, especially for the least of us, um, the poorest, most unskilled Americans. Their jobs, uh, why bother dealing with an American? They could they could sue you, they'll they'll bring an OSHA violation claim. I'll just get more illegals to go to low-wage, unskilled labor. Well, we have our own poor people. We have our own criminals to deal with. Um, everything gets easier when you clear out illegal immigrants heavily from the third world, heavily who do not speak English, heavily using welfare. We'd have so much more in terms of social services and medical care for our own people. We can't be the charity ward for the world. We have our own poor people. We have forget poor people. Uh an upper middle class person who gets some you know terrible dread disease, a rare form of cancer. Why aren't we spending it on them? No, we're spending it on Somalis in Minnesota. So because Trump, God bless him, term two was finally getting around to immigration. Two, three weeks ago, I would have said, even with Democrats caterwalling, they will be better off. Their constituents will be better off, the whole country will be better off if we can just do the mass deportations and build the wall. Now, Trump has taken his eye off the ball. I think he is really running down the image of the Republican Party. I think it's very hard for any, it's going to be very hard for any Republican to say no more stupid wars and be believed unless we're just saying, well, Trump isn't like the rest of us, and that's believable. He's very unusual.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

But on the mass deportations and I I mean, uh I mean, I can't I can't imagine, man, I've known you on and off for a few years now. I can't imagine that you would be supportive of some of the techniques that were used. And and certainly not all of the people that the uh uh you know uh Homeland Security claimed were in the country because they had committed uh hideous crimes. In many cases, they did pick up people who were actual U.S. citizens uh and were no more than school kids. I I mean you you couldn't have agreed with that, could you have?

SPEAKER_03 50:06

Well, it's like the abortion in the case of rape argument. It turns out the number of American citizens who were accidentally arrested was like 0.001%. But you would, oh, they'd make the cover of the New York Times and lead the news every single night. If you're going, this has been going on for a long, long time. There are at least 40, 50 million illegals. Um, I obviously know I wouldn't support mean, harsh techniques or rolling up US citizens, but you know, none of that would have to be done. I'm sorry this is a cliche, everybody said it, but it's true. None of this is happening in the red states because the red states are following, are obeying federal law. They are not interfering with federal immigration agents. Um, but when you have when you have, you know, these like BLM protesters out there trying to prevent federal immigration agents from doing their jobs. And as we know, from Supreme Court case after Supreme Court case after Supreme Court case, immigration is is a federal duty. The states have nothing to say about it. Nothing, nothing, nothing. It's outrageous. Um, if some red state tried to defy federal law, uh I mean, as I I've written about you'll some of your viewers, certainly your your foreign viewers won't remember this, but little Elion Gonzalez, why was he sent back, even though the Florida courts ruled Janet Reno kept saying, oh, he was a Cuban boy, his mother drowned at sea, and his father, on behalf of Castro, said, no, we're taking him back to Cuba. So it was Miami relatives, as they were called, the Cubans here in Miami, said, no, we're keep, we want to keep him here, have a great life in America. Um so it went through family court. Janet Reno kept saying, we'll defer to whatever the Florida courts say. Florida courts finally rule, and they say, under domestic family law, yes, Elion stays with his Miami relatives. And Janet Reno said, okay, we changed our mind, we're sending him back to Cuba. That goes, I don't I don't think it went to the Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court refused to overturn the 11th Circuit, which is the same thing, and it rules immigration is the province of the federal government. The states have nothing to say. Janet Reno and Bill Clinton win. He goes back to a communist dictatorship. That's how much the federal government rules federal law is supreme on immigration, and it is outrageous having sanctuary states and sanctuary cities. I want red states to start declaring themselves sanctuaries from federal taxes, sanctuaries from OSHA laws, sanctuaries from the EPA. Good luck with that. And that's more legit than what these states are doing. So yeah, I don't want anyone to be hurt. I think we should be very nice. I would prefer that, as Mitt Romney said, illegal immigrants leave the same way they came. We didn't, we didn't have to round them up to get them here. We don't have to round them up to get them home, just go home. And they're we're being they're being offered bounties to go home. If you go home on your own, what are they giving illegals who go home on their own? Like$2,000? We'll pay for the flight?

SPEAKER_04 53:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Let me one one last question, um, and we'll let you go. Uh so when the Trump presidency ends, and and it will, uh who do you think is, we kind of touched on the Democrats, who do you think is going to try to capture the White House for the Republicans? Who is the heir? Is there one to Donald Trump?

SPEAKER_03 53:58

Um, right now, I think the odds-on favorite is J.D. Vance, and I think he's sitting very pretty because he is, I think most people think he is not a huge fan. He hasn't said anything. He's a very honorable and loyal vice president, but that's certainly the word on the street, which is why the the you know Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch, Permanent War Constantly types, um, are saying, oh, he's out, it's gonna be Rubio. No, Rubio doesn't have half JD's IQ. But anyway, I just saw him talking on TV because I think he might be my choice unless he's supporting the Iran war, and then I'm going to withdraw everything I'm about to say. Uh I like Eric Schmidt, the senator from Missouri. He was the AG, he was f he's he has been aggressive, fantastic. He is really smart as AG of Missouri. He was one of the ones to sue the social media companies when they were suppressing true information about COVID and masking and the Great Barrington Declaration being pushed by the Biden administration. He's, as far as I can tell, he's been fantastic in the Senate. Um, he has a beautiful family. He's tall and macho. And I'm sorry, but that is important when you're running for president. So whether as president or vice president, and this is all contingent asterisk on his level of enthusiasm for this disastrous war, Eric Schwitt Schmidt is becoming my choice.

SPEAKER_01 55:26

Over over Vance.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

Um, not sure. I'd like to see them in a debate. But you why do I even hesitate on JD, you ask? Because I don't particularly, I've been giving a lot of college speeches. I mean, I don't have to defer to young people. They should be deferring to me. But I happen to notice that a lot of college kids don't trust JD.

SPEAKER_01 55:56

Well, but but but with good, don't you think with good reason? I mean, I mean, he is a bit of not a bit, he is somewhat of an opportunist. I mean, he is a guy who heavily criticized Donald Trump before he got picked for the ticket, and you know that. Uh, and yes, people certainly grow and and and should be able to grow and change their opinions. But his opinion of Donald Trump, you know, from a few years back is really 180 degrees uh from what he now says. And I get that he's being a good soldier, he's the vice president. He's not going to certainly say anything publicly that's going to counter what his boss, essentially, the president, says. But don't you think he's he's you know, there's a reason to distrust him?

SPEAKER_03 56:46

I understand what you and the college kids are saying. I personally do trust him. And and part of that, I mean, I guess it's because what I mostly trust him about is what he thinks. As if if Trump had never existed, I mean, his backstory as the kid from Appalachia, I feel like he too is just deeply American and deeply invested in the welfare of the working class. And I think we have really stepped on the working class in this country in the last several decades. That's why I keep bringing it up. That's part of the reason I loved Trump. I think it is that part of him is absolutely genuine. I think the he truly wants to make America great again, or however you want to put it, put Americans first. Um and and I suppose because of that, I'm more inclined to believe that, you know, he had just gotten out of Yale. Um that, you know, the things he didn't like about Trump are the things, you know, any decent civilized person doesn't like about Trump, but I was able to overlook that.

SPEAKER_01 57:58

Well, I I I I thank you, by the way, uh, for lumping me in with college kids. Thank you. It makes me feel young.

SPEAKER_03 58:05

Yeah, that's what they say.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Uh and Coulter, it it has been uh very interesting conversation. It always is with you, and I appreciate you taking the time to be with us on SOS America. For those of you who uh are regular uh watchers or listeners, as always, we welcome your comments. If you'd like to subscribe, it is absolutely free. God knows why, but it is. Uh could I mention something? Sure, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

I'm a very bad business. The one thing, could you make it a chiron for me? I'm on Substack, unsafe, Ann Coulter.substack.com. Okay, we everything is basically free.

SPEAKER_01 58:50

Yeah, I know. And you've mentioned it, so there you go. All right. Uh Ann Colter, thanks a lot. And uh for SS America, I'm Charles Feldman. Thank you until next.