Are We Live?
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Are We Live?
Are We Live? Episode 50
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Are we live? No, no, no, yes.
SPEAKER_00We live. Yes. Okay, so I ain't gonna curse, but these punk yo, we back.
SPEAKER_01It's a mid-beat pod. You know why I'm here. Jalen Brown got traded. A massive trade. But I had to bring all my boys, Dio and Trey, um, two Celtics fans. If you follow me, you probably have seen you know me interact, retweet, all that good stuff. So you're probably familiar with you know how they see the game and stuff like that, but let's get into it. Alright, so Jalen Brown traded to Philly, two firsts, Paul George, two seconds. Um probably in my life as a Celtics fan, the most shocking trade I could have experienced. Like, obviously the full center shit was wild, but like to me, this is more like unbelievable, which kind of feels crazy, but um, I wanna start, you know, all three of us are Celtics fans. I wanna start with some sentimental stuff on Jalen Brown and his like Celtics tenure and all that. Like, the thing about Jalen is he's probably one of the most polarizing athletes of this like last 10 years or so. Because even the Celtics fans, like, we have to like I think there's not a single Celtics fan that has either always loved Jalen or always hated him, you know what I mean? Like it's been as one way or another, been a roller coaster. Like it was a draft prospect in the middle parts when he was like trying to figure his stuff out, when he became a star, when he became the finals MVP this last season, it's been polarizing and up and down the entire time. Um, and Trey, I think one thing you mentioned was like his human, like the humanity of him as a person, as a basketball player, was something that like gravitate you gravitated towards as a fan. And I think a lot of people feel like that because he's like I think Jalen even mentioned it yesterday on his stream that like, yeah, I'm gonna fuck up. Like, I'm gonna fuck up be myself and too. Um, so yeah, Trey, I'll start with you. Give me some thoughts about Jaden Brown as a Celtic, you know, your fandom, all this stuff.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, man. I I don't know. I've been like starting to process it, like, and like as a as a fan of him, it's been really, really cool to see the growth. And like, you know, when he got here, he was he was mostly like a blank slate type player, you know. Like, yeah, you could you could reject any kind of fantasy you wanted on him or wherever. He could have gone 16 different ways, but you know, when he got here, I had nothing, I had no real background on him. I'm not a draft guy, I don't watch college, I don't watch college basketball during the season. So whenever the guy get in the guys get in the summer league is when I'm first seeing him. When I first saw Jalen, I was like, I got a little nervous because I'd already been burnt on the whole 6'8 wing shit with you know Jeff Green. So I was like, I don't know. So he could have got my first impression was like I was thinking it was gonna go that way, but he kind of went in the entire different direction. And I think that was kind of the thing I loved about him is wherever you thought he was going to be, he kind of just said, nah, I'm gonna be a little bit better than that. And it was kind of incremental every step, every step of the way until you know, really the last season here, man.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and like the Jeff Green stuff, like he like broke the mold of that, you know, the potential wing that could do everything. Like he really out this like the last 10 or so years, he's like, I mean, maybe that's still not forgetting, but like he felt like the one dude that really broke the Kuminga, the Jeff Green, uh, the Perry Jones, if remember, if some people remember him, the the uh the like the athletic uh wing that can kind of create, kind of shoot, kind of drive. He kind of like broke them uh broke the mold and actually became like a real star out of that as a prospect. And um, Theo, uh I want to get your thoughts on him too, like your journey through towards Jalen as a fan of the Celtics.
SPEAKER_02You know, it's crazy because we're all around what like 27 to 30, right? So we we're essentially the same age group as Jalen. We literally see him grow from a boy to a man, and that's what I keep telling people whenever they ask me about it, because if you know me, you know I'm a Celtics fan. Like, that's one of the first three things you'll know about me is that I'm a Celtics fan. I'm like, man, this thing is like the first thing I can't just remember is how he addressed Boston in that first interview that he did with um Mark DearMico, where he was just like, you know what, I'm gonna go to war for the city, and that's what he did. Because truth be told, 10 seasons is longer than I thought he would be, and that's just a testament to him. Yeah, you know, because like you guys rightly said and rightly touched on, you know, he broke the mould uh for those kind of players coming up where they were like, all right, he has a lot of potential, but didn't really achieve it, right? Or like Trey was saying, he looked at him as a blank slate of a player, and there are so many different ways that he could go. But, you know, through his hard work, his dedication, and just general chip on his shoulder, he just continued to get better year by year, even early on. We're like, you know, he started to ascend to a certain thing, and then due to the amount of players that were around and mounted had to be fed, so to speak, um probably had to take a step back when he shouldn't have, etc. etc. But the fact that he was here for 10 seasons is just a testament to Jalen and who he is as a player, who he is as a person. It feels crazy to discuss him in past tense, in terms of when we're talking about him being a basketball player, it feels weird talking about him in past tense as a Celtic and of all places. No, I mean one of my friends was calling me when I was at work, and she don't ever call me when it's work, when I have work, and I just ignore the call because I'm like, I'm busy, I'll call, I just couldn't answer the phone. But then I turned off my doom and server for something, I like my phone was kept, and I'm actually phone. I'm like crazy, but nah man, like I go back to what I said initially. We saw him grow from a boy to a man, you know, from a bright-eyed, smart, 90-year-old kid, college kid, to a well-established, brilliant, intelligent, um, 29-year-old man, brilliant mind, great basketball player, and you know, his time here won't be forgotten, that's for sure.
SPEAKER_01That's for sure. We'll get into the Philly part of it a little bit later, but like uh one thing I want to talk about is like, you know, black athletes in Boston, it's like a I mean, not just not just in Boston, well, black athletes, but like black people in Boston has like been a very touchy subject within, you know, sports and whatnot for like forever, basically. And Jalen was like, he even admitted that like that was part of his thing when he came here, right? That you know, the the the perception or real whatever you want to call it of black athletes or black people in Boston. He's someone that really embraced the city more than like almost any athlete I can remember, like in my lifetime, at least, right? At least outwardly, you know what I mean? So I mean that whatever you think of him as a player, whatever, like I think it's kind of crazy the way some people talk about him, and that's mostly a social media thing, of course, but like um Yeah, it's silly, man. Yeah, I mean, I think people, I mean, we've seen the reaction of people like within the city and they're like real life fans and stuff like that, and of course, that's more of an accurate depiction of how he's felt, how people feel about him and stuff. Um, yeah, so now that we got our our sad shit out the way, we gotta talk about the actual reality of the trade. And I think the most interesting thing to talk about, at least to start with, is why were the Celtics so eager to trade Jalen Brown um at this point? Well, you know, um, and I think Jalen even alluded to it a little bit last night on a stream. He was like, at one point I got it, but then it got a little crazy, basically, is what he said. And how I took that was alright, y'all trading me for KD and Giannis, I can understand it. But now it's getting like y'all treat me like dirt, right? So you know, and it can't be avoided. Like, Brad Stevens traded him to Philadelphia, like outside the Lakers, and I guess the heat of late, our biggest rivals, and historically our second biggest rivals. Um, and the Philly in Boston thing, like that as cities, their rivals, and all that stuff. Like, he basically traded him to what will almost definitely be our competition for the next five or so years. So, you know, a lot of people have branded this as an analytics thing, which I think is certainly fair. Um, a lot of people have branded this as a relationship thing between him and Jason Tatum, which is like we don't know really. Like, we don't really know, really, if we're being honest. I mean, it's some truth to it, I'm sure, but like, we don't really know. It's been branded as a financial move. Um, a little bit that kind of description has been a little crazy to me, but there are some financials to it that come into play, I would say. Um, so Trey, I'll start with you. What do you think is the single biggest reason Brad Stevens and the organization was so eager to trade him? You know, it's not like okay, the Giannis thing falls through, and a few days later, or like a week later, he's gone. You know what I mean? It's not like they they even thought about we can maybe keep him or let's wait for the best offer. Like, they didn't do no Daryl Morey shit where it's like we're gonna hold him until we get the offer he won. You know what I mean? They were like, alright, this offer we're good with it, let's go.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I think this is just a decision that has been made, at least in my perspective, I think it's a decision that was made maybe, if not, you know, early or mid this season. It was made at some point this season, probably, that you're you're not just gonna out of the blue, you know, decide uh I'm gonna trade Jalen Brown. You've it's something that you've been thinking about. It's something that, you know, Brad Stevens uh and Missoula, whoever else in the front office, you know, the the numbers are real, right? And it's not even numbers, it's like, you know, as Spain as you can see at any time in the playoffs, you know, we we've seen the Miami series, we've seen obviously what happened towards the end of the Philly series, and whatever the reason is uh basketball-wise or even just you know, personality-wise, why that situation between him and Tatum never quite uh you know they won in 24, but obviously we had the we had the Druze Al Horford's first apps, we had a lot of help. It wasn't like it was just those two contributing to the title. So you have to take in everything, and I think they take it in everything and decided that it was just the time to make the move. And if you wait too long to do it, right, if you try to do it next year and you know something else happens, he either gets hurt or you know, his value gets even lower. Now you are as an organization wasting another season of Tatum, you know. Or if you feel like you're wasting another season with Tatum without maximizing your you know your potential. So I mean, I just think it's a move that they they wanted to make, and regardless of whatever the return is, they probably feel like you know they've improved the team.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So Theo, one thing I wanted to ask you about is um the a lot of people are kind of like comparing this to the Mookie Bet shit that the Red Sox pulled a couple years ago, where they didn't want to give him a market contract, which was you know amongst the best players in the league, um, and all that. Now, people are putting that on the new ownership being cheap or whatever reason, or you know, the private equity stuff that people are throwing out there. Do you feel like there's any credence to that? And yeah, basically that's it. Do you feel there's any credence to that?
SPEAKER_02I would say no from this standpoint. At every turn of the way, they have given him an extension, specifically that 2019 extension, even though it wasn't a max contract extension. I vividly remember reading all the reports that were saying that they don't know what we're doing. Why are we giving him 115 million or whatever it was? You know, people were saying that guys like Buddy Healed, his contract was making more sense. He if even if you gave Buddy his contract and vice versa, you know, it would still be a bad contract for the Celtics. All easy for things, right? Yep. And they did that and it paid off as we in, you know, in Boston knew it would. Um, and then 2023, coming off arguably his lowest point as a Celtic, you know, they gave him that super max with no hesitation. So for those two reasons, I would say I couldn't um link it to Mookie because that Mookie trade was a certified insane. Because at that time, he was no question top five, top ten um player in his prime. He was like what 20, 25, 26, maybe thereabout.
SPEAKER_01He was a year off like a historic MVP season.
SPEAKER_02There we go. So can't even go higher than top five, top ten, right? Yeah, so I that no for those reasons I can link it directly to it being similar to Mookie, even with how people are getting in the wheez of the new ownership, etc. etc. Right. But I I will hear out a little bit the argument of them not wanting to give him that extension at his moment. That the two years 140, 145, whatever it is, it's Devin Booker extension that Devin Booker signed last summer. It's coming up down the pipeline for him, probably as soon as it's summer. Yeah, who knows? Right? So I do think that that definitely played a role in it, but I wouldn't sum it up as being something similar to Mookie, given the caliber of players. You can go Jalen is really, really good. Mookie at that time was like, you know, here. Right? And that was what him coming up on his first extension, Jalen had already received two. Yeah, right, including $300 million for one of them.
SPEAKER_01So for that, for those reasons, that's why I wouldn't uh necessarily, you know, framing that with him rather than and I think there's been a lot of like narrative spinning from you know a lot of angles. So there's people that want to talk about Chisholm being a cheap owner, and to make it clear, Chisholm could very well be a cheap owner. We don't have any evidence to suggest either way yet, right? Um, in fact, the only thing we have is that he tried to duck the tax during last season. So that to be fair, in some ways that could point towards him being cheap. Now, of course, there are basketball reasons why he did that, but um, we still have no real feel on what he's gonna be when it comes to spending. Um, and the other one being that the Celtics don't like him being an outspoken person in the media or whatever, right?
SPEAKER_02Now, I'm not gonna act I know what you said no so, but like that's been driving me crazy. If that's been the case, they had multiple opportunities to get up off him before now. Yeah, why wait until why wait until he's two years into $304 million?
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, Kate Bird just scored. Okay, anyway, keep going.
SPEAKER_02Why wait until that time? Like, until now rather, why not do it before? That was that was a reason why, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I and I don't want to act like you know, there are definitely you know athletes and of course black athletes that have had to uh you know suffer from speaking out on certain topics and whatnot. So the idea that it could happen to someone like um to even Jalen is not completely ridiculous, but the logic in this particular situation like doesn't really add up because Jalen has always personality-wise, Jalen has always been like this, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, right, exactly. So since day one.
SPEAKER_01So if that was the case, they would have if that was the case, he would have never got that contract the supermax, right? If you're that annoyed at his personality or how he spoke or whatever, he would have never touched that second extension that he got, right? There's no way that would have happened. So that to me is just a lazy narrative for people who aren't really paying attention, which is a lot of the conversation right now, to be honest. But um, yeah, I mean the way I see it, I felt like Brad has kind of wanted to trade Jalen kind of often, if we're being honest. Like we go look at 2022, he tried, he offered him for KD. Now he didn't make the deal in the end because he made a hardline stance on not offering smart and extra picks for KD, but he without a doubt offered him for KD. We know that for a fact. 23, he didn't really have a choice, right? He was expiring. Jalen had all the leverage when it came to asking for the Super Max, so he gave it to him. 24, they won the championship. You're never trading a play a main the finals MVP of a championship. Like no one is that no one is that crazy or bold or whatever you want to call it. Uh 25. Now, if you remember at the time, there was a lot of Shams, you know, quote unquote fear-mongering about the subject listening to offers for Jalen, right? And I think he even said the other day that they did hear calls about him and tried to listen to calls for him uh last season. Now, the reason, now people are and a lot of people have asked recently, oh, why didn't you trade him last offseason and just tank this year? To me, the the irony of this whole situation is Brad Stevens doesn't really value Jalen like that as a player, at least on his contract, but he expected the rest of the league to value him like you know his you know media accolades would suggest. And so I think what happened was last season, off a down year where he was injured and had knee surgery and all that, the offers are probably pretty shitty. And he said, nah, I'll I'll just keep rolling with it. And then this year, when they didn't get Giannis, and then they started to feel called, they canvassed the league. Like one thing that this is not the Lucas shit where he just raised traded him to Philly, right? He clearly listened to as many calls as he could get. He tried to he they I mean Sean's basically said they were calling teams to see what they would offer, right? And they got this this is what they got back, what people perceived to be not enough value. And I think he was like, look, if I hold on again, then it could be a cooked contract completely, right? Like if he has another injury or a bad year or whatever, or the team disappoints, then I'm really in a and the the relationship between him and the team and the organization or whatever sours a little bit more, then it could be, you know, the the franchise could be cooked going forward, right? Um so I think, yeah, I think deep down Brad has kind of wanted to trade Jalen for a minute. And and one thing I wanted to mention, you know, the infamous you know, Brad Presser at the end of the season, right? Where he's basically just telling the truth. And a lot of times GMs and whatever, they don't tell the truth because they have no reason to, right? They give you the yeah, we're we're not that far away, yada yada, all that stuff. He was very much not in that camp. He was like, Look, when you lose in the first round, you're not where we had been in the past, right? Um, and now we I have to think, like, why was he doing that? Why was he so honest about where the team where he felt the team was and all that stuff, right? It's because he was bracing the fans for some wild shit. Like, it's you know, I think he probably thought at that point, I'm gonna get Giannis for Jalen, right? And then he had to be some even more wild shit. Like, no, I'm actually gonna trade him to Philly for Paul George and two firsts. Um, so yeah, I mean, yeah, it's that's that's simple to me. Um, I don't want to spend too much time on this topic, this lab, this next topic, because you know, this is not some soap opera shit, but like the Jalen and Jason dynamic thing to me, like personally, I always felt like in a professional sense they were cool, like they don't hate each other, none of that. Even like personal sense, I don't think they hate each other or anything like that. I just don't think they were that close, you know what I mean? Like, if you like and people are like posting his response when Smart and Rob left, and like first of all, like get a life, please, people. But second of all, like, second of all, like, if he just is closer to Rob Williams and Marcus Smart, like, it just so be it. It just it's just life, right? He can't be everyone's relationship is different, like you know what I mean? So it's not a crime.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's all it is.
SPEAKER_01It's like as long as it's not it didn't affect it didn't impact them on the court, so why as a family do I give a shit, right? You know what I mean? No one nobody should really give a shit at that point if it didn't impact them on the court like that. So go ahead.
SPEAKER_02This is gonna cross into another sport. But if De Bruyne and Kurtwalk could play together for Belgium for over a decade, I don't nothing should get in between you playing. Basketball, bro, or any sport. If Kurtwanda and LeBron can play together for over a decade, trust me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for my uh non-soccer fans, they uh he basically cheated on his uh his teammates or his team um his teammates yeah he slept with his teammates' wife basically and they were and they were best friends, by the way.
SPEAKER_02So that's um grimy ass. Oh, are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_01And then but they were teammates for the next like what 10 years?
SPEAKER_02This they're teammates right now for your best for your national team without because you're some of the best players at your position. He's in the best country, bro.
SPEAKER_00Like I ain't that mature, I ain't that mature.
SPEAKER_01I ain't they had no choice because that's hilarious. They had no choice because you can't switch national teams and they're too good to be benched.
SPEAKER_00Oh man, bro, you gotta go.
SPEAKER_02Even this week, even a couple days ago when they came from behind against Senegal, and everyone was celebrating, they locked eyes and used walk past each other, like there's real, like be a him or me situation.
SPEAKER_00He's playing or I'm playing, it ain't gonna be the same.
SPEAKER_01But yeah. To me, yeah. To me, and I think there, I think they're if they had issues, it was about being a number one guy, which is like exactly it's which is like, you know, I said this earlier, it's like I'd hope so. Exactly. That's also true. The competitive you would hope the guys are that competitive, right? But also, I mean, that's also the natural ending to basically every higher profile duo in you know basketball history, right?
SPEAKER_00It's just a matter of time, yeah.
SPEAKER_01There's a number one, there's a number two, the number two wants to prove he can be a number one, and then they break up. It's just like the natural the natural path of all duos, right? Or whatever you want to call it. Um, and it's okay, it's not a big deal. They don't have it's not like a big deal that they weren't that close and whatever. It's just the reality of the situation. Um and oh, one thing I wanted to mention, like uh, you know, Tatum put out his farewell post today, right? And uh, of course, everyone has been like, oh, it's a fake post. Like, bro, this is why he doesn't post shit because y'all are gonna be on him no matter what.
SPEAKER_02He doesn't say he doesn't do it, it's an issue. What's he supposed to say?
SPEAKER_00He's supposed to confess his undying love for JB and like to uh roses are red, like violets are blue. I can't wait to be playing with you again. Like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_02Should have gotten a sky right to be like Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_00He need to get on one knee or something, like come on, y'all. Like, what are we doing here? That's that's something crazy stuff.
SPEAKER_02And it's funny because it it didn't he didn't he say something like such, like the 2021 media day when they asked him about his relationship, and he was like, I mean, it's not like we're together or anything.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. I the way I always took it is there are two guys who, you know, I mean, they're they just they were amicable co-workers, and you don't gotta be any more than that. You gotta get all all they ever did was show up, do their job, and win games. That's all you that's all I care about as a fan personally. I don't care what they fucking do after the game. Go ahead and as long as you're not smoking crack or something. I don't know. I do not care.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Or if we can play 37 minutes tonight, come April. You're cool with me. Yeah, and one thing.
SPEAKER_00Like, come on.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and uh the last thing on that topic is like, you know, Jalen in the press conferences, he can be a guy that rambles a bit when he's talking, right? And some people can perceive what he's saying at a shot at Tatum or whatever, and you know, vice versa. The thing with me is first of all, I don't believe and that it never became an issue for the team. So ultimately, as a fan, I just have no reason to really care or think about it that much. You know what I mean? Like, exactly. Is there ever a situation where they were fighting on the court? Like, no, like, so what ultimately, like, okay, whatever. Jalen likes to talk sometimes like a like an FO wide receiver, so be it. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00The the issue is mo a lot of NBA fans are you know 13 to 17, and they treat it like it's like a soap opera. So there's gotta be something else going on. It's not just a game, it's a whole it's a whole thing to them. And it I don't know, that's just not how because I you know, we obviously we're all the same age. Like when I was 10 years old, there wasn't, you know, social media the way it was now. Yeah so like I didn't I didn't I didn't really care what the players were doing after the game. I would turn on ESPN and the game would be playing, and then I turn it off, and then I go play outside of whatever. Now, you know, everybody on their phones constantly seeing the players, so they just they're creating these you know narratives and lies inside of their heads and all that kind of stuff, and it's just it's just weird to me. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like love is they treat it like Love Island. I'm like, bro.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_01No, that that someone tweeted that uh they was tweeting, they were treating you by Love, and they wanted to have a chat with Jalen.
SPEAKER_02Sit down on the coach, Jalen. Let's have a let's have a talk. Let's let's matter of fact, turn on turn on Twitch, let's have a talk in front of everyone. Like, bro, these are grown men. I think, and this is something that I can't believe I didn't think about until we just know that I'm talking. They're also as weird as it sounds, especially since Jalen's a couple months older, different stages of their life, different stages of adulthood. Jalen is a bad Jason got two kids at home, bro. Like, that's a world's apart.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, even in their like status as celebrities, it's completely different, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, um, so yeah, that's all I didn't want to talk too much about that because it's like I said, it's kind of some lame shit. But um one thing we gotta talk about is I mean, the the whole buzzword around this whole topic has been analytics, right? How Jalen Brown doesn't grade out well analytically, and how you know the team is better without him, yada yada, all that conversation. Um and of course, there's been a lot of disingenuous talking points, I would say both what both ways. And part of the problem is I think the word analytics is just a crazy trigger word for any sports fan. And this is this is across all sports fans, not just basketball. Um but um the way I see it is you know, first of all, analytics, we gotta we gotta separate what analytics actually is. Like, on off data, to me, is not necessarily what I would consider myself as analytics. I would say that like like that's a score when dudes are on or off the court, right? That's what's happening. Now, there's a lot of context that goes into that, of course, and there's you know, you have to take into account samples and whatnot, but what I would consider analytics is like you know, estimated plus minus, like Darko, these like you know, RAPM, all these like metrics that try to estimate a player's value beyond the box score, right? Now, in all those things, Jalen obviously grades out pretty poorly. Um, and I think all of all Celtic fans at some point, you know, kind of hand waved it throughout Jalen's tenure, right? It's like, look, the team was winning, but the team wins a lot, they go, they won a championship, they go to the commerce finals every year basically. Um, what's the big deal? Uh um, Theo, I feel like you're watching the game on the side, but uh anyway, um, yeah, so we all kind of hand waved it, and then you win a championship, so you keep hand waving it. Um, and then you lose to the Knicks in I would say embarrassing fashion. You lose to the Sixers, even even more embarrassing fashion, I would say. You include that with the Miami series, um, which is I would say maybe the most embarrassing. I mean, it's because it's a big competition for humongus elves, to say the least. But um, and now and you're you're in this position where Jalen and Tatum are taking up over half the salary cap basically, and you lose for in my the way I view it, you lose in the first round to a team that got swept in the next round, you're pretty far away, right? And of course, there's a lot of context that goes into that type of stuff, like Tatum missing game seven, um, and you know, there's you know there's a lot of context that goes into that, but still the way I view it, you lose in the first round to a team that got swept, you're far away. Now we gotta look at alright, how do we get back to the top, right? And that's to me, naturally just leads to uncomfortable conversations with with core players, you know, and that's not just Jalen, that's Derek White, too. That's uh that's Tatum, even really, at some to some degree. And I mean he's not gonna get traded for obvious reasons, but you know, we have to like look at him a little bit too in that in that regard. But um, the way I see it is at this point, when you lose in the first round, you have to be able to say fuck it and try something. You know what I mean? So if the data is showing that the team plays better without Jalen Brown, and I'm a first-round exit, then I'm more open to testing that to its limit. You know what I mean? And I feel like any Celtics fan should have some level of curiosity at least to see how far that can go. And that and that pertains to like like how the franchise develops players as well. Like this last season kind of radicalized me into like, damn, what can the team take and make mold into? You know what I mean? Like there'll be some dark places I won't lie. Like, I was looking at D'Andro Russell, like, yeah, I was looking at D'Andre Russell, like, can you be safe?
SPEAKER_00That's more like turning water to wine.
SPEAKER_01I think to be fair, I think Brad Stevens, I think Brad looked at Chris Sinette, the center we drafted, and kind of looked at that too. Like, all right, this kind of this guy was is pretty raw, like he's got a pedigree, he's got he's got tools. Let's try and make some shit crack. You know, let's let's try and make him something, you know what I mean? And the funniest thing is Brad was like, yeah, sometimes this guy sucked, but he played hard.
SPEAKER_00Yes, at some point we're gonna see some real like heaters from Brad. He's just gonna take like the absolute dregs of the league and try to see if he can turn them into like fucking champions.
SPEAKER_02AK son um the Magic's summer league team.
SPEAKER_01These are crazy heat checks. Crazy heat checks. So, Trey, I mean, you I know you've been someone that's you know jostled with this idea of the analytics with Jalen and stuff like that. Where are you right now when it comes to you know this decision to move on from him being an analytically inclined decision? I mean, at least that's how it's been framed.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I mean, it definitely I I mean I almost think it was 100% analytic driven, and I'm also as even as a big Jalen fan, I'm I'm in support of it as long as you can uh you know back it up with a real hypothesis of, oh, okay, are we actually you know chipping away at our like true max potential by having him on the floor 35 minutes, 40 minutes a game, right? And I don't know. I want to see I do want to see it, and I think you know, they have some uh you know, you have a right to be a little bit confident after the season that we just watched, because what I watched is uh, you know, eight, ten guys, twelve, twelve guys who were, you know, playing hard every fucking night, doing, you know, bought into a system. And I think if you feel that comfortable in what they were doing last year, then yeah, you should also be feel really comfortable uh with life without Jalen Brown. I think they are really comfortable at that point. Because if you're if you're willing to trade him for Paul George and some picks, you're clearly willing, you're clearly will willing to have a team, you know, that is basically just last year's team that Jason Jason Tatum fought with Jalen Brown. Because, you know, there's a large chance that you know you get 20 games of Paul George.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And if you're okay with a possibility of 20 games of Paul George versus 70 of Jalen Brown, you're clearly saying we're we're better, we're just better without regardless.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Um, and of course, like I said earlier, the fact you sent him to Philly is the ultimate confidence that you are not gonna like regret that decision. Like, I mean, we'll get into the legacy of how this effect impacts Brad's legacy and whatnot a little bit later, but like, yeah, you're basic you trading him to Philly and taking their picks is somewhat saying that he's gonna implode Philly in some way.
SPEAKER_00You're fucking fading them already. Yeah, whatever.
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, I mean it's similar to what uh Charlotte did with the Mello Ball, right? They he had he had this career year, they didn't believe in him to continue that trajectory at all, and they sold on him. You know what I mean? Um, Theo, I want to talk about what we got back because I when the trade happened, I saw you not the happiest about Paul George being in one thing I want to say is when the trade happened, I was I was watching the Senegal Belgium game, and I was just in a state of shock. Like I'm watching the game lifeless. Like I'm just like, what the and everyone's adding me on Twitter. I'm like, bro, I have no thoughts. I don't even know what just happened.
SPEAKER_02That was me on IT too. Like everyone's talking being stories, DMing me, texting me, like, I'm like, bro, I just got out of work.
SPEAKER_00Like I really I was at work and I was just like scrolling on my phone, and then I don't know, I didn't even really have time to like process it because I was fucking actually working still, and then I was so I for the first like two hours of it. Um I got in my car and I was like, we just traded for Paul George, right? What the hell?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because like bro, I like people kept asking me what and I had to actually go to Twitter, pull up Shams page. I already did tweet like probably 10 times because it just wasn't registered. Like it just yeah, man.
SPEAKER_01Nah, but you yeah, um I mean the close I mean the closest comparison would be when Horford signed with Philly. Now, that one that one had me like literally sick for a good few months. I'm not gonna lie. Like I knew you all knew he was probably leaving. The fact ended up being Philly, like at their like quote unquote missing piece, I think that one like uh that one had me sick for like literally sick to my stomach for a good few months. Like, and it's this JB one.
SPEAKER_02That was funny how it worked out now. Yeah, maybe Brad was like, let's see flight distracts.
SPEAKER_01That's the other thing, right? We thought Danny Ainge was, you know, had had stones to trade Philly Markel Fultz.
SPEAKER_00Brad is a snake.
SPEAKER_01Brad, I mean he's a snake, he's also like, this is one of the like the biggest, you know, I don't want to use that that word aura gamble, but like this is one of the biggest like heat checks we ever seen. Exactly. Like, you were trading a beloved franchise player that won a championship, beloved to see all that, see your arrival, and because you're not afraid of him like coming burn you in the future, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00Like it was two years ago, man. We won the chip two years ago. He he waited two years, that was it, to get rid of this this guy. That's how much you wanted to get rid of him. It was two years ago.
SPEAKER_02Bro, this ain't like exactly this ain't KG and Pierce getting traded. When was it? Seven years?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. He said no, it's already I can already see this going left. See you later.
SPEAKER_01Man, bro it's crazy how like it's it's it's not funny, but it's also hilarious to think about.
SPEAKER_00Like it's funny as fuck, I think.
SPEAKER_01I mean, to compare this another thing with when when smart got treated and everyone was crashing the hell out of. I don't know why, but for whatever reason, like you were the motherfucking smart. This is hilarious.
SPEAKER_00And I'm gonna burger smart, like one of my favorite players ever, but you've never seen someone crash out over like the fourth, at best, the fourth best player on the team like from a fringe all-star, by the way.
SPEAKER_01From a fringe all-star. That took a pick up, that took a pick up the player for you. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00And we got picks in that deal, like I remember seeing that that trade, and uh my girlfriend was like, bro, are you okay? I was a little upset for the first 24 hours, and then I just went on YouTube and I started watching Kristax Forzing's house.
SPEAKER_02Okay, I was like, TV Friday.
SPEAKER_00I was like, okay, bro, let's see what you're doing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, we can talk about you know the team going forward now a little bit more, but like, I mean, Trey, you mentioned it, like, Paul George, I think obviously, when he plays, is still a quality player. Now, is he is he a max near Jalen Brown contracts good player? Maybe not, maybe a little below that. Like, you know, maybe you know, it's kind of weird to think about. I was comparing him as a player to like OG and Nobi a bit, you know?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Where it's like the ultimate, the ultimate 3nd wing type right now. And I was thinking, like, okay, I know the injuries and age is a consideration, right? But if the Celtics had traded Jalen Brown for OG and Obi and two first-round picks that are quite good, really, really. I mean, they have a chance to be quite good at least. What would the conversation be, right? Now, of course, oh, exactly. The of course, the the age and the injuries have to be factored in. To be fair, OG is quite injury prone as well. But still, um, so yeah, how do you see um Paul George's fit on the team at least for the short term? Because we don't know how long he's even gonna be a Celtic, really. Um, I'll start with Theo. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_02The team hasn't even announced the traders. I know it probably until what July 4 or something like that, they'll play before he can be done. But um, I think he will fit into the scheme of things. Um because at this stage in his career, that's what he did for Philly, anyways. Um, especially in that Nick Nurse offense, where it's not even really an offense, just like, hey, you are our best players, you're gonna play 38 plus minutes tonight and take 90% of the shots on offense, anyways. And he made it worth being able to either do more or do less. So I think his ability to do that will help him fit into whichever role on offense that he has, right? And defensively, unfortunately, we saw it in the series. He still has it defensively, it might be PEDs, but you know, he still has it defensively, but um this might be say it, say it, bro. Bro, it's not for me, it's not even a playoffs thing, it's something that he said back in 2024, and this is like an insane recall. I know, I know, I think I know what you're gonna say. That's when I I I could no longer be a PG guy. I'm like, okay, this explain this, in my opinion, explains why you have done what you've done in the playoffs since indie. Because I do think that kind of mindset has lent its hand to some of his playoff failures throughout the years, you know, complaining about doing the dirty work. So that that that is my main interpretation of Amy PJ on the team, not about what he can do, because I do still think that he has you know a lot of value on both ends, especially um on offense as you know, three-point shooting, the playmaking, all that stuff. And defensively, he can still, you know, strap down and do what he has to do, etc. etc. Not worried about that. It's the intangibles and the men and that kind of mentality that he has shown that he pushes back against. I wouldn't, I'm not gonna outright say he doesn't have, but he, you know, he has profusely pushed back against doing the dirty work and doing the hard work. Yeah, I mean, which is why the clippers, which is why the clippers traded for or sign Westbrook traded for hard and all these different things, yeah, and all these needless moves because he just didn't want to do certain things anymore, right? But we'll see, especially if he's even on the team. At this point, we don't know. Yep, but um, you know, knowing that enough time has passed, what 48 hours? I'm at the point though, I'm like, you know what, let's just see what happens when October comes around, April comes around. That's the only way we'll know how this all turns out, right? So yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and one thing I want to mention, you talked about him complaining. I remember after like his first couple years in on the Clippers, whenever Doc Rivers got fired, I think, he complained about Docker Rivers using him like royal or something like that.
SPEAKER_00He could have JJ Reddit.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, JJ Reddit. So hopefully, I mean, last year on Philly, to be fair to him, he did buy into that, you know, role player type, you know, role and stuff like that. So hopefully he comes here, he and he accepts that kind of you know, that pathway. And you know, honestly, if he plays well, I can see him extending on a lower number. I don't think that's out of the picture at all. Um, and so Trey, I want to ask you because you've been pushing us to trade for Trey Murphy um last couple weeks and whatnot. Now, in my in my view, offensively, there's a lot of similarities in the role that Paul George would play and Trey Murphy would play, and the big difference being the defense, at least in terms of what we have already seen in proof of concept, and of course the health is also a big difference. So now that we have Paul George, are you looking at him as someone you want to see this season at least, or are you still looking at like Trey Murphy's a guy I want to target?
SPEAKER_00So I think it's all in terms of like value. If you can get Trey Murphy still without having to like overextend on draft picks and like give up three, I I would like to do that just because of the age, health, and whatnot. But if the Pelicans are still gonna, you know, stay firm on that three-pick requirement, then I I would just say F it and keep Paul George. Because I think if you're building a team around Jason Tatum, that you can do you it's really hard to do worse than a guy who's 6'8 and can hit threes off you know off the catch. And that's what Paul George has been able to do every year of his life of his career. He's just an elite shooter, and I think it's interesting for me because I always thought of PG and Jason as kind of similar players. And and you said you were talking about the dirty work, and I always thought of Jason Tatum as the version of PG that actually didn't mind doing the dirty work. The guy that you know, if if if Paul George had some dogging him, it's it's Jason Tatum. And I'm not saying PG is some like lightweight, he's clearly been one of the best players, you know, talented-wise of you know, NBA history, really. But he just had like he he doesn't have the uh he hasn't had the mentality that JT has. And that's what made has made Jason Jason a elite-winning player for his entire career. And I think we've seen you know the best fitting players next to him are you know big guys who can shoot. It's been Al Orford, you know, Sam Hauser has been a really great fit next to him historically. And Paul George is like the the fucking that Sam Hauser on steroids. Yeah, you know, no pun attending because he actually on the steroids. He really is. I mean, like even PG off the road is is is Sam Hauser on roads. You you can't really do better than that because he's going to play play great defense, he's really smart. I was really impressed with his series versus us this year. Like, I was like watching the TV. I'm like, who the hell is this?
SPEAKER_02I was just like, is it drugs, man?
SPEAKER_00I thought we were transported back to 2013, like this guy was moving around screens like he. I was like, bro, you haven't defended like this in a dark stage, and you want to bring it out versus us? But he was hoop, like he was hooping. And even if you get half that, that's a good that's a good fit next to JT. And I don't really care what the contract is. I really don't care. It's not my and I don't think the Celtics even really care what he's making. Yeah. Like I said, if you're trading, if you're trading Jalen Brown, who has been an availability bet for his entire career, even when he gets hurt, he's playing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So it's you know, he he had the bum knee and 25, he still plays 60-something games in every playoff game.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_00And and so you're you're basically saying you just don't care if he's not playing, right? Okay, cool. So if I get 20, 30 games of Paul George, and I have and in in place of Jalen Brown's minutes, it's always gonna be Hugo, it's always gonna be Walsh, it's always gonna be Baylor, it's always gonna be gonna be Harper, it's gonna be one of these five guys on the floor at all times, then okay, then let's see what let's see what it looks like then. Yeah, if that's what if that's what your bet is, Brad Stevens, I'm willing to roll with you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, and uh, you know, this was obviously a bet against Jalen, but it's also a bet in favor of Peyton Pritchard. I mean, there's been some murmurings about him. I mean, that this is more you know, click-based stuff where they were like, oh, he's the next Brunson, you know. Um, at least that was framed like that, you know. But they clearly believe in him upping his volume as a score, as a primary option, all that stuff. Now, the sample from last year is clearly in their favor because I mean it was his volume is not as high as the SGA or whatever, but he was the most efficient ISO player in basketball last year. Like, um, and that's with his three-pointer not even being like nuclear what I was year before. He was just an absolute killer in the mid-range at in the paint when he got there. Um, he never turns it over, legitimately never turns it over. Of course, some of that is that he doesn't pass, but hey, we'll work with that. But um go, baby. Exactly. Um, so yeah, this is a huge bet, at least it seems like, on Peyton Pritchard being a legitimately viable creator. Now, one thing I want to talk about, what I want to bring up first is this whole thing about Peyton Pritchard only being able to cook bad teams. Like, can we please update our scouting report?
SPEAKER_00Incorrect.
SPEAKER_01Like, to some degree, I I bought that for a while, but this past season to me it was a bundle.
SPEAKER_02Don't update a scoting report. We want you to be, you know, get into the You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00Doubt him at your own risk, is what I'll say.
SPEAKER_01I mean, anyone can pull up the stat sheet or the the box scores of him absolutely annihilating, you know, top-tier teams, top-tier defenses. Like, um, I was watching, I was just watching the game that the Celtics played against the Hornets, where uh Derek White and Jalen Brown didn't play. And Tatum and Pridget are frying dudes, like frying them, frying off the dribble. Like, you know, it's crazy. So, yeah, I mean, Trey, you've been extremely bullish on this projection, I guess you could say, uh, for Peyton. Um, I'm assuming as of right now, he's gonna be started next year. Regardless, he'll be playing a ton anyway. He should, or regardless, he'll play a ton at least, at the very least. But um, yeah, Mr. Mazzula, we'll maybe we'll get into later. But yeah, but um, yeah, talk to me about your confidence in him becoming a legitimate, like, you know, top two, three option on a championship team.
SPEAKER_00I yeah, I have honestly that's one of the things that like I just expect. I'm not even I don't even think it's to me a bet. I just think it's gonna happen. Just because of the the tape that he put on film for me this year was like there was no single I would say the one there's probably one guy like a sour Thompson was like a a very, very tough matchup for him this year.
SPEAKER_01Oh, one thing, one thing, one thing, one thing I want to say is the fact that Jamie Bickerstaff put a star Thompson on Peyton Pritchard from the jump. I was like, at first I was like I was like, is he crazy? And then I was like, okay, maybe he was he maybe onto something, you know what I mean? But anyway, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00No, you're exactly right, because I remember thinking that during the first game we played him, I'm like, okay, JB cooked y'all for 40, but you still got Asor Thompson on Peyton, and then we play him again. Again, Aswar Thompson is still on Peyton, and they're putting Duncan Robinson, uh uh Spice Harris on JB. So I'm just like, it isn't it's the math's not mathing to me, but I think they were do, you know, and now it makes more sense. They they didn't care if, you know, Jalen Brown was gonna hook him for 40. They knew they could hold him to about 54, 55 true shooting percentage, whatever, and turn him over. And Peyton Pritchard is a pull-up three-point shooting threat. He is a really good off-ball shooter. So you want to stick a guy like a sword Thompson on him, make sure he doesn't get loose, all that kind of stuff. But yeah, that's the one guy who uh, you know, in watching him, it's just like he he couldn't really cook him. He got him in that in that last game we played. He had a couple nice moves on him, and he got uh off the off the bounce, but it's like he he doesn't struggle with a lot of the guys that the Jays sometimes struggle with. And that is one of the things that I like about him is as a he's an elite, elite ball handler, and it he just got combos for days. Like it's not it's there's there's no staying in front of him. You know what I'm saying? He just running there's no like he I saw I watched the game that they were playing against the Hawks, and oh my god, I hate playing the Hawks so much because Dyson Daniels just ruins the J the J's life. And I watched him take Dice and just he just cooked them, and I was like, what would I rather do that?
SPEAKER_01Yo, that game we're talking about, I think uh Jalen didn't play. It was uh it was uh it was before the Hornets game. He was on fire, he was unconscious in that game. I was like, bruh, this is crazy. It's like a Steph Curdy shit.
SPEAKER_00Couldn't fuck with him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was absolutely insane.
SPEAKER_00So I don't think really there's a there's a good matchup in the league for Peyton, and the guys you gotta put on Peyton are the ones.
SPEAKER_01You gotta put on Tatum.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you want to put on Tatum, and so that naturally creates a easy uh you know, two-man game between the two. There's a there's there's less, you know, styles clashing because they're not the same height, they're not wanting to operate from the same areas Peyton's fine, standing 35 feet.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_00At the hash while Tatum does his ISO bag, and you're not worried that the you know if Peyton gets into his ISO game, that the ball is coming off his left leg. You know, you're not worried about that. It's gonna be you're gonna you're gonna get an efficient shot. It's gonna be either you're gonna get an efficient shot or he's kicking it out, right? He's not turning it over. You know he's not turning it over. So there's just you're minimizing the risk. And I I just like I I like it. I like the bet by saying that we can give him 10 more shots a night, and you know, the efficiency is probably gonna stay around the same, and the negative plays are gonna go down. So yeah, I I like him for 23, 25 a night, depending on you know whether or not we get you know Paul George for 40 games or 25 or 65, wherever the case may be. I think Peyton Pritchard is gonna be a huge factor in the offense.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, you made a point right there talking about his range, and that is why I am pro-Tray Murphy signs a clipper speak. Don't touch a clipper speaker. You can see what the clippers are up to. They're not going up to anything, but see the whole future. So don't touch that. But um I do think that if Trey were to come, just their their sheer range opens up even more on offense, right? So I think that that's an element that I do believe that Brad is considering because we see what Peyton does to defenses when he's out there because of his range. Imagine if you have two guys out there who can do that, right? So because the NP if he's an elite truth, he just goes, Trey Murphy's range is like all of this world, you know what I'm saying? Not all of this world, we've seen it before, but you know, I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be blasphemous and mention who we've seen it from. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? But but yeah, um I am interested to see uh what Peyton can do in an even more expanded role, and not just an expanded role in terms of him being the starting point guard and him playing more minutes, but him actually having the ball more, having more quote-unquote point guard duties, right? Even if it's a case where he just has a ball more and just his ability to not turn the ball over, even if he's probably not the best passer, um at times I'll raise my hand and say I'll argue about that sometimes. But I do think that I'm willing to see what he will do in an increased role with an even more increased role this year at 8 million. That's crazy a year. So um so yeah, yeah, I I agree with you guys on that for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so one thing I've been watching like some games from the past couple years where it was uh Tatum games without Jalen. Um and one thing that stuck out to me was that like the chemistry between Tatum and Pritcher was a lot better than I was initially expecting. Because in my mind there are a lot of like you know, circumstances where Tatum sets the screen, he's got the defender pinned, and Peyton is kind of reluctant to pass the ball, and he's kind of like just puts up a shot instead, right? But then what I saw was a lot of possessions where Peyton is spaced out all the way to the logo, damn near, and the defense is shifted towards Tatum, easy pass, three ball. Like the way a Tatum, I mean a Peyton logo three, I feel like total confident he's gonna make that. Like, it's not like uh what the hell are you doing type shot, you know? It's well within his you know limits to shoot as many as he wants of those, to be honest. And for most of this last season, I was getting annoyed with him for not shooting more of them. Because if you remember, when he as a starter this year, I felt like he was leaning in too much to like a pure point guard type thing, where he's like, you know, I called it the Andre Miller impression where he was like getting deep into pain for like these fade-away middies and stuff, and even he's quite good at that. The to me, Peyton isn't at his best when he's aggressively pulling threes from way out. Um, I mean, there are so many games where we just absolutely terrorize teams doing that the last two years. So, um, yeah, and one thing I want to mention. Oh, Paul George, I was talking about you know his health being uh you know a worry for us, and you know, as long as he's here. One thing that I want to mention though is like maybe this is just coke, but like in Philly and basically every place he's been, he had to play like 35-40 minutes for the team to be competitive, right? Like coming to this team, he can play 25-28 minutes, and we've got like the deepest wing room in the league, probably, you could say, right? So that could and in our medical staff last year, I know the obvious elephant in the room being Tatum's Achilles, but like we were absurdly healthy last year. Like, it is maybe something to be in that, like in our medical staff or whatever that could play into that. Who knows? I mean, Paul George has some Looney Tunes ass injuries over the years, but um, that's something that could maybe play in our favor.
SPEAKER_00For me, I'm treating Paul George like I treated poor things where like I I'm not even like counting on you to be where you to be on the court where I need you to be, but if you are, I'm gonna be happy probably at at least you know in 24. But like I think Paul George is not going to be. I mean, I I just don't feel like they they made the trade for him in and in the sense where they're they're not really counting on him specifically to you know be the missing piece. Yeah, he is you know one piece of of us, you know, playing in a different way. And I think Peyton is a little more of a swing factor in what they're counting on. They're counting on Peyton to really replace Jalen Brown. We're not counting on Paul George to replace to replace JB. Paul George is coming in to be Sam Hauser. You know, Sam Sam Hauser. You're you're coming in to be $40 million Sam Hauser. And Peyton, Peyton, Peyton is really what we need to really hit. He has to, you know, he it can't just be every, you know, two times a month where you know you get uh a no Jalen Brown game. Now you gotta do that three, four times a week. And you know, and that's a different that's a different story than you know what he's been tasked to do. I think he can do it, but you know, like everything, everything's a bet. You know, you're saying, like, I think we got a a 50% chance of this happening, there's still a 50% chance of it not happening. So there is there is still a chance, hey, maybe, you know, there is an upper limit to Peyton's game where you know the the the the the lack of the ability to finish vertically at the rim, you know, puts a cap on his ceiling. But I don't know. For me, I think all we need is 25 from him, and I think we're good. I think I I think the rest is on number zero. The rest is on for for those, you know, those usage for people to for this for this to actually be the case. We're okay, you know, you you're getting your your eight, 100, whatever, whatever whatever touches joke is bits, we're giving, you know, we're gonna give that to Tatum, and you gotta you gotta be efficient in all those times. You can't have games, you know, where you where you give us 10 points or whatever in a in a playoff game. That's gotta be 25 at minimum now. Like that you can't there can't be, you know, game, you know, games where we're wondering what's wrong with them. Yeah you know, the the Tatum calendar, it can't it's gotta be the second coming of Christ from October to June. Like that's that's that's basically it now. There's no waiting three months for you to get to the level. If you gotta start at that level at this at the beginning of the year and you gotta finish at that level, Andrew, hopefully, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and um, of course, uh the Tatum part of this we probably not talked about enough, but like, you know, the numbers support that you know he's his overall play and efficiency is a lot better when Jalen's not on the court. Now, some of that is like like no shit, like another high usage player is not on the court, you're gonna have to ball more, you know, stuff like that. But I think there is something to it, like, you know, he can be a bit he can he can he's you know he's a good guy, so he doesn't want to like be looked at as a ball hog, you know what I mean? In some ways, I wish he kind of was sometimes, you know. Yeah, but um, and to be fair, there have obviously been times where he did need to do that and did that. So I'm not gonna act like it's never been in him to do that. But um oh, I just saw you saw it. Okay, anyway, let's go. Oh, Lissandra. Okay, anyway. That's why I was like I knew you would yeah, and the thing I want to talk about is of course we had this big trade for Jalen, but we also signed, you know, Mitchell Robinson to, you know, that we've seen the MLE, which is a triple down on the possession maxing, offensive rebounding, all that stuff to the absolute like limit. And something you mentioned, Trey, about you know, people are kind of worried about our offense versus switching defense where like you don't have enough creation to like beat guys off the bounce when teams switch and stuff like that. But you mentioned how look, if you switch a wing or a guard onto Mitchell Robinson, night night. You're not the other team's not getting the ball. Like uh you're not getting the ball. Um the team is gonna be in the bonus a lot more this year. Yeah in the free throw, I mean, in Missoula's tenure, we've been like near the bottom of the league in free throws. Um, I'm not saying we're gonna be near the top, but I think we'll be around 20, maybe mid-part this year, with the addition of just by because teams are gonna foul him. You know what I mean? When he gets the ball under the rim, he's gonna get fouled, and that's gonna put us in the bonus. That's gonna lead to more free throws and stuff like that. So that's gonna be. I mean, I think Trey, you mentioned this this off scene has been a triple quadruple down on the possession maxing basketball of you know, not turning it over, offensive rebounds, and well, to be honest, to be fair, forcing turnovers is that third piece that we have not really had. And I think Paul George to some degree helps that, I guess you could say. But um, one thing I was thinking of, because you know, everyone's thinking about the next move that the Celtics will make. And I was thinking, like, and this is a player I've actually been lower on the consensus than, but like Casey Wallace to me is like the perfect Kentucky. Like I'm all the perfect, like, you know, if you want to boost your steals or turnover force or whatever, like the perfect antidote to that, and of course, financially we could easily make that trade. Um, assuming Oklahoma City would, you know, be uh you know, be cooperative, which we don't know, to be honest.
SPEAKER_02But I think I think we could get some help from him because he has said that he wants to trade more and he is looking for an extension soon.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't think it's impossible. Like it's it's within the realm of possibility. Yeah, so so sorry that to me is like the clear you know, next move is something in the backcourt. Because, like, you know, as center, we're good, I think, with Keda, who we just extended for an incredibly cheap contract. Um, Mitchell Robinson obviously just paid Gaza as a like you know, regular season innings. Type backup big is totally fine. You draft Snack as a project. You even have Amari Williams, who I think is like, you know, do I think he's playable? I think he'd be a playable player, to be honest with you. Yeah, on the wing, of course, you're loaded. Maybe even you could even dump one of those, not dump, but you know, trade one of those wings. I think in the guard, you're looking at Peyton and Derek, and then after that. I don't wanna I don't want to bring up Uncle Mike because I had my crash out when you signed him.
SPEAKER_02But all due respect. All due respect to Uncle.
SPEAKER_00Well, all due respect. I think Mike is part of that whole possession maxing.
SPEAKER_01You know, he doesn't turn around.
SPEAKER_00And you know, historically he's had really good hands on defense. So like if we throw him out there, he's not gonna kill you. Yeah, he's not gonna kill you, and you he can kind of play the style and whatnot. I think Mitchell home run, like ask. I mean, I was preferring Rob, but like I think you're looking at like apples and oranges. Rob's, you know, just not the make wish kid at the line, so you don't have to you like pretend, you know, that you can't play him in the fourth. Like, yeah, but Mitchell Robins is a just I don't care, like he's a dominant, dominant, like rebounder. Like I tank.
SPEAKER_01And I was thinking about he like it's kind of a weird comparison, but like defensively, he kind of in a lot of ways replaces what we lost in Porzingis and Al Horford, in that like oh yeah, the post-defense, which we have not really had, like Keda has not really been his thing of eight um of late. Um Joe has not really trusted Keda to be a switch big too much, you know, off top of my memory. Um, and of course the rim protection, right? So like all those aspects are things we didn't have. Like now you can, you know, credibly switch one through five if you wanted to, you know what I mean? Of course, maybe not with Peyton in the lineup, but in certain lineups, you could switch one through five credibly, which we didn't really do a ton of last year.
SPEAKER_00You know, it was more of a weird thing was that with Nimi, I remember when he first got here, that's all Joe trusted him, was just like all you gotta do is all you gotta do is move your feet out there, big fella, and and we'll figure out the rest. Like that's and now it's like you're you're this you know technician in the in drop coverage. What a what a transformation. I'm happy for him with that contract. And I know it's like uh, you know, quote unquote scam deal, but like, you know, this was a this was a two-way guy in Sacramento. Yeah, could and he just cashed out damn near 60 million. I think he's doing pretty good. Yeah, I think he's probably pretty good for that. Um the family, and that's called the family, man. Y'all was going to the country club, y'all, you know, your grandbabies are going to private school still.
SPEAKER_01I know, I mean, I know Trey, you were a believer for the longest, at least once since we were Celtic. I was the complete opposite of that. I mean, people from Portugal were hitting me up like pissed off about it.
SPEAKER_00I liked I like Nimi's competitiveness, and the one thing I always noticed was how hard Joe coached him in the games, and like, you know, there would be times where you're watching a game and you can hear him yelling out, you know, instructions. And to use he'd be moving Nimi around like a uh like a puppet. Like he's literally telling him where to go on just like every nanosecond of a possession, you know. And if Joe Mazzula is that invested in the guy, then that means he's probably see something. And that's the one thing you'll you'll give Joe credit, is he's able to kind of cultivate that kind of talent. So at the end of the day, if he's if he feels like someone has something in him to to to keep going, and he would go to him in big spots.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And you know, that in the in the 20 in the season prior to last year, he would go to him in big spots when Corzingis was out, when Al was out. Yeah, I remember that Indian that Indiana game, he completely changed that game versus the Pacers. We lost it, but like he came in, we're down 25-30. Yeah, we go to Nimi, he we just start switching everything, and they don't want to go to and and they also don't want to go to the rim because he's so he's so big, and he and he was dominating on the on the offensive boards and all that kind of stuff, all that ended up translating to 30 minutes a night, and that's you know, again, where I can kind of see the this stuff translating with someone like Peyton, where you take uh okay, this is what you're doing for 15, 20 minutes a night. Well, now you gotta do it for 30. And you know, the Celtics just keep being able to do this. And I don't I don't know what the the science is or what, you know, obviously they have the Celtics University where they're you know drilling guys and their IQ and all that kind of stuff, but like the way they do it, it just makes you feel a little bit more comfortable with like the future and trading away JB because you're like, okay, well, at least you know we're gonna we're not going to you know fall to the absolute depths of the league because we can at least turn out all this, you know, really unproven talent.
SPEAKER_02And you know, that point you made about Celtics U, that's why even if I might not be as high on PG, uh on PG as other people might be, I'm sure it's probably only a handful of people, especially because of who he was traded for. But um last year, admittedly, I only had faith in three guys. I only had faith in JB, Derek Payton. Yeah. Well, and Sam to a degree, so like three and a half guys, right? The other guys, I was like, man, I ain't gonna I don't know what's gonna happen. But after seeing how a lot of those guys grew up during the year being um Nimi most notably, I feel like he's the face of that, and that's evidenced by the contract he just signed, right?
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_02Uh Baylor getting better because at first I was like, ah nice end of the benchmark, but then he became a real rotation player, even a starter, right?
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_02Even though I think he should have played more points during the regular season, I'm not we're not gonna go into the playoffs. But just seeing all the young wings, how they played throughout the year and how they continuously grew up and you know took on whatever challenges that Joe gave them, how they were able to toggle between hey, tonight you probably play five minutes, tomorrow night you probably play 25, they're back to 10, 5. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So factoring in what those guys went through, and that, you know, they're still there and it'll likely be that same way again this coming season. They have that experience. So I do feel that that will lend to them being even better, right? Yep. So factoring in all those different things may even go, you know what? Let's see what happens. Yeah, right? Yep. Let's see what let's just see what happens.
SPEAKER_01Like I said, I feel like I feel like every Southwick fan should at least be curious and you know have some level of okay, let's see what happens when with this with this new path. You know what I mean? I feel like everyone, it's like, I mean, of course, I feel like we're one of the some of the few guys that are like, okay, I see what I see the thinking behind that at least. You know what I mean? I mean, everyone knows like the the in the mainstream, most Southern fans are like crashing out completely over this. You guys guys talking about sellers team and all that stuff. I'm like, look, I think I think Brad fumbled the Giannis thing pretty badly. Like he should have, I think he should have just secured that in my opinion. But what he's banking on, there are it's like it's there are tangible evidence to suggest he's not crazy, you know what I mean? So let's see it. Let's see. Like I said, the last year radicalized what I'm willing to, you know, expect from a team's thought process.
SPEAKER_00I think even beyond last year. Oh my god, 25 is a you know, the 25 season is a huge you know, tip in whatever Brad's thinking is. Because I think that was a lot of basically the same stuff we're we're seeing this year. It's just, you know, we we sprinkled in, you know, a game where Al Horford or you know Drew Holiday or these guys actually did play instead of not, you know, you know, sitting on the bench for whatever time they were. You know, instead of it, you know, we got 82 games of it last year, and we and we saw it again, you know, in the previous year. So there's not it's not like he he just did this willy-nilly. It's it's been a consistent theme. Yeah. And I I think, you know, you just at this point, you we l like you said, we lost to the Knicks, and then we lost to Philly in round one. Like, you can't you can't do that. It's the Celtics, you know. If this was like um any other any other franchise, no Jalen Brown stays here, yeah, whatever. But this is not any other franchise, it's it's the Celtics, you know. And if you take being on the Celtics seriously, which Brad does being a member of the organization organization seriously, you can't just be okay with we're really good. Yeah, you want to be always striving to be the last team playing, you know. That's you want to hold up to Larry every year. Obviously, you can't realistically win it every year, unless you're Bill Russell. But like, like, you know, Brad, obviously, his his main goal is to be able to win it every year. That's his goal. Obviously, you're not gonna get it, but like in the goal of searching there, you have to be willing to, you know, make some changes. And clearly, what we have been doing for two two straight years, and then obviously the the years prior to the championship wasn't working.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_00And you can't you can't recreate what we did in 24. You just can't.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, you can get lucky and maybe you draft uh a group of guys, right? And then you're able to for like another for like two years, you might have it, like with OKC, but then uh eventually with this CBA, you're gonna have to tear it all the way down again. Yeah. So I think even with the Giannis thing, like the re you know, the reason you don't go all in is because you know you get another, you get a two-year window at it, and then we're gonna have to do the whole same thing where we tear everything down again, and in and you know, and you might not think that you know you can find a rabbit out of a hat every every four years in the draft, right? You might think that finding Ugo Gonzalez at 28 is like uh a once-in-a-lifetime miracle event that's not gonna happen, you know, every time you get at pick 28.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, right?
SPEAKER_00And so if you think that you're more likely to have sustained success by going Tatum and you know his friends and all that kind of stuff without two stars versus you know Tatum and Giannis, then I I I don't see I mean I understand it, but I I understand going for Giannis, but I also understand not going in a sense.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And uh part of that, I mean, I I would imagine part of that was like I said earlier, was he expected Jalen Brown's value to be higher in an offer for Giannis. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um he thought he could get him on the low and he couldn't. So it's like, oh, I'm I wasn't prepared to go higher than this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like one thing I was gonna mention that I kind of forgot, but um Okay, this last topic I want to talk about, which is kind of is uh kind of like a depressing reality for Celtics fans in in two ways. Um with Jalen Brown going to the Sixers, like to me that part is still like not really registered that he's a Sixer. Like whenever I lowered up 2K to play with uh the new Celtics, right? And I snuff I saw Jalen Brown in a Sixer uniform. I was like, bro, what the hell? What the hell? That's nasty, you know, and there's been talk about his legacy of now. Obviously, he's gonna go down as one of the greatest, what, 10 or so Celtics of all time, right? But the thing that hit me that I was thinking about this morning, I was like, bro, what if he goes to Philly and he's just like a god there for the next, I don't know, seven years, right? And what if he's like, they're like, yeah, you're actually gonna tie your jersey for us. And he's like, you know what, fuck the Celtics. Like, like that is not within the realm of possibility, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00So it's not I mean, you know, it's it's definitely not a uh it's not something that can't happen because I would I would say it leans on the less likely side because his teammates Joel L and B, so there's not gonna be too many ceremonies, you know, in Philadelphia, most likely.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00As long as he's on the team.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But it does, I it, like you said, it does complicate, like what Brad did to him does kind of complicate things where it's like you might he might not fuck with us no more, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01That's that's what I was thinking. And he would be, and to be clear, he'll be welding his rights to feel like that. Like we I don't think anyone reasonable could could uh you know hold that against him.
SPEAKER_00Um, I definitely wouldn't hold it against us, and it would be like it would not in the same manner, but like what KG felt like with Glenn Taylor. He felt like he got he felt like he got snaked by somebody he he he trusted or whatever, and like until Glenn Taylor sold the team, he wasn't really willing to rock with them, you know? So like JB could certainly feel like he got snaked by a guy that was his his coach. This is his first NBA coach in the league, and and and he snaked him like this. And I get he Brad was doing what he gotta do, but this regardless of it what whatever happened, whatever was best for the team or not, it got snaked, you know? Yeah, it's like it's like the IT thing, you know. Regardless, it was it was objectively good for the Boston Celtics to trade him. Yeah, like it was an objectively good basketball decision. We still snaked his ass. It was still a grimy thing to do. A guy who you know took us to the Eastern Conference finals as soon as he has a bum hit to ship him out to wherever, you know, it is an object, these are objectively good things, but like good things are also bad things at the same time. It's not black and white.
SPEAKER_04Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_00I I I feel what if JB feels hurt by it, I I I feel for him because it as a fan of Jalen Brown, it hurt me the way they're kind of treating him. And I was kind of of two minds over where it's like, oh, this is good for us. You know, it's like that meme where oh this that's hilarious, that's fucking awful type thing. And it really was like that for me, where it's like, ah damn, I don't know how to feel yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um uh yeah, so I want the last thing the real last thing I want to talk about was like how you felt about Theo, I'm gonna start with you on this. Jalen's fit on this upcoming Sixer team. You know, like we don't know if if they're gonna get LeBron. I don't think they're gonna get LeBron personally, but as of right now, their team is looking like Maxie, BJ Edgecombe, Jalen Brown, uh Dean Wade, and Joel Embiid when he plays, right? And not much else, to be honest with you, right? It's a lot of minimums. I'm assigned uh Celtic's Twitter favorite player, Anthony Simons.
SPEAKER_02But uh love today.
SPEAKER_01Um of course they drafted um they drafted LeBron Phylon, I don't think he'll play too much next year, but we'll see. How do you feel about this team? I mean, I guess with a lot more expectations going forward, you would say.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, this is the most expectations for sure that they've had since they had Harden there, right?
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, so that's for one thing. So I I do agree with you with that first, but that line you said. Um even though there's not much to work with, we already know that Nurse is going to ride his top guys in terms of hits and how he's gonna run and how he's gonna play on offense. So I don't even know how it's gonna work out because it's yeah, kids have already been trending towards this should be Max's team, right? Yeah, like even though Joel is healthy, it's just for the last two years he's been trending towards oh, we should be running things through Maxi. Now you have another, I guess you could say, wrenching the wheel, for lack of a better way of putting it. And you know, Edgecombe, who is a young wing going into year two, what does it do for his development? Of course, it will help, you know, with it learning from him, but yeah, you know, less touches to go around, etc. Because this is not PG who is at the back end of his career just trying to help you up games and go far in the playoffs. JB is 29, still in his prime, etc. You get what I'm saying? So I do think they will win games for sure because of you know JB's ability. And you have all those buck getters on the floor, you have all that time on the floor.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02More times than will at least result in wins. But I just don't know how I still need time to process a little bit more, but I just and no knowing how Neris is on offense, I just don't know how the fit will be there, honestly. Yeah, because outside of Maxi, which one of them really plays off the ball, anyways? Yeah, like I guess he kind of you could technically say MB because he's a big, but all four of those guys are at their best, you know, when they're the ones making a move or receiving the ball to make a move, right? Who is the one doing the facilitating? Who is the one making the sacrifice off the ball, spotting off, pumping off screen? You get what I'm saying? So it'll be interesting to see that side of the equation for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and Trey, but I mean we talked about how the Celtics quadruple down on possession maxing type basketball. The Sixers have done the complete opposite, basically. You know, you know, where they're you know, in a way, the um, you know, we Celtics are aiming to like put together the most moneyball-fitting roster. The Sixers are doing the opposite. They want the most high pro high profile roster of guys that, you know, score the ball, have scored the ball at a high clip in their career, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's team ball, don't stop. And I don't know, I don't really know what what I think of the fit. I think it's weird. Just it's harder than one. I'm just trying to get over the the image of JB playing with Joel L and B. So that's the one thing. That's that's how I I try to like I just try to sometimes I try to visualize how they're going to play, and like I can s I don't know, I can sort of see it, but like it's a lot of low kind of field passers, so it's like I don't know if it's it I mean, surely you got a lot of guys who can score, but you know, JB is kind of an iffy shooter off the ball, so I mean, if he it is he like best suited off the ball, Maxie and well Maxie and Joel are doing a little two-man dance, or if JB and MB are gonna be doing the little two-man dance with Maxie off the ball, and that could work, certainly, but then you know, it's a lot of guys who like who who turn the ball over. So it's not it's they just signed Anthony Summons, so it's another guy who's not, you know, gonna be out there to make plays. Like he's just out there to shoot the ball. Dance with the ball. So it's like I don't know if there's gonna be a lot of guys just dancing with the ball, or if you know, nurse is gonna, you know, cook something weird out. So it could go different different ways. I respect Nurse as a coach, so I'll give him I'll give him some benefit of the doubt. I don't respect Joel and B at all. So I don't care if he and I don't care if he beat us this year. I still don't respect him. You know, anybody could get lucky, just saying, but a lucky shot from a bum. It's still I don't give a second, yeah. A lucky shot from a bum. It's still 3-1. To me, I don't think he changed, you know, my perception of him. I was in game seven. I would it was game seven was like, okay, I I respect it. It was against Luga Darva, but we'll we'll we'll give you some some credit. So I don't know. I mean, maybe maybe JB can teach him how to win games. I don't know. Like, it it could go it could go several different ways. I don't I think it's clunky at best. So I don't know. I guess I gotta see I gotta see it to believe it. If they're gonna be, I definitely don't believe him as some sort of like championship contender. And as much as I love Jalen Brown, I give him all the credit in the world, he's a winner. Uh he's not that kind where he's gonna, you know, transform a team that didn't have a chance to win a championship into a team that does have a chance to win a championship. And so as much as I like him, I don't think he's that type of player. You know, that's the that's the reason he got traded, like, right? Because he's 35 35% max, and he's not gonna single-handedly change your chances of winning a championship. So we'll see it. We'll see it, you know. I I I'll I'll give JD the benefit of the doubt. I'm never gonna doubt Jalen Brown.
SPEAKER_01So and one thing I will say is, I mean, we can talk about fit and you know championship odds and all that. I feel like for the Sixers, they kind of owed it to their fans or some of their players to make this trade to where, like, okay, if MB goes down, you're just not fucked for the whole year, right? Like, now you can be like, all right, VJ, Maxie, Jalen Brown with some pieces, we can we can still be a respectable team, right? Um
SPEAKER_00Why they made the trade for sure. Yeah. Like they they couldn't be in a position where the guy next to Embiid is also a bet to miss game. That just didn't that just can't happen. Because if if Paul George and Enbiat are both out, then you got eight, you know, 100 million dollars out. Jalen Brown's gonna play 70 games, regardless if he's you know on one leg or whatever. He's just gonna play the game. So it's a good bet for them. They're making they're they're getting more out of that salary spot than they were, you know, a month ago. So, you know, I understand why they made the trade for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yep. And uh JB, as much as we love you, we're we're running against y'all. I'm not gonna lie. Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_01Those those picks, I mean, uh, we would anyway because it's Philly, but having those picks, I mean, I'm sorry. Like sorry, man.
SPEAKER_00I I hope something bad happens to your team. Yeah, it just is what it is.
SPEAKER_02It ain't personal. It really is not personal. Like, if if and God forbid, this is not going for happy. But if Reese James were to play for Arsenal United, he's dead to me. It just is what it is, bro. It just is what it is, bro.
SPEAKER_01It is what it is.
SPEAKER_00I feel like I'll s I'll root for JB's personal success. I hope he averages 31 points a night on whatever, 62 shooting percentage on a 10-win team. Yeah. Whatever it is. I hope you know, maybe maybe you get some uh you get into the play in. I hope you get into the play in, man.
SPEAKER_01The discourse if Jalen had a monster scoring season on a terrible six-year team with just like Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00There'd be so many people arguing so many different fucking things. Like, I mean that's probably one thing we've not talked about enough.
SPEAKER_01Is like, I mean, this is like gonna be a like a monumental moment in NBA history, in my opinion. Like, yeah, like the the way that it's framed, I mean, we've all been, you know, pretty optimistic about the perspective of the Celtics. The everyone else, uh the vast majority of people are the complete opposite. Like they're like, you know, sell the team, fire Brad, what the hell is happening type type stuff, right?
SPEAKER_00So I bet Adam Silver is absolutely loving this because this just created like another 10 years of like just uh a built-in narrative. Not only do you have the Celtic 60 rivalry, you got Tatum versus Brown every four times a year. Yeah, possibly for another seven games if they play in the playoffs, which is a good high. If you know, if the last 10 years are, you know, any bet, we played them four times in the past 10 years, we might play them another four times in the next ten years.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So like there's gonna be a lot of content or whatever you want to call it for Adam Silver.
SPEAKER_02I'm not even glossed over this. I and I get it, yes. At that time, Ben was a consensus number one pick, but they had the number one pick 2016.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Exactly, right? They passed him, they passed on him. Like, you know, now they get him, okay. See what you can do with him. Joel, if you can't win with him, then don't ever don't ever say nothing. You were you you was talking about all that smack about oh team, JT's got the super team. Now you got his now you got his Batman, everyone said, right? He's Batman. So now you got Tatum's Batman. So let's see what you can do, buddy. Go get a ring, or I don't want to hear. Minimum, bare minimum is coming. Jamie. We're talking, we're talking, you gotta get to the finals. You gotta MVP and all that, whatever they call it. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So all rookie going to ascend the point. Dean Wade Star. Dean Wade Bro, I swear this nigga always plays good against us, bro. I know he's a good one. I swear this plays good against us, bro.
SPEAKER_01Um so yeah, um, man, on a tangent, the MB super team comment was the biggest loser shit I ever heard in my life. Oh my god, bro.
SPEAKER_00The reason not lost is causing you. It doesn't care to your teammates, it's cutting you every single time.
SPEAKER_01On top of that, like remote fail. The fact that Sixer fans were like key king about that, I'm like, are you guys insane? Well, like, what what are you talking about?
SPEAKER_00He played with Jerry Butler, he played with James Harden, he played with Al Horford, I'm not gonna count Ben Simmons. He's got some teammates. He's got Tyrese Maxi, he hasn't got shit done with either of them. So if he needs a super team to like get to the conference finals, then that says something on him. Because I saw JT get to the conference finals, and he was playing with Brad Wanamaker and Samuel July.
SPEAKER_02And Daniel Tyler.
SPEAKER_00So so clearly the only difference is Jalen Brown. So now you got Jalen Brown. So let's see what you can do regardless of what your teammates got, dog. And else I don't want to hear nothing ever. Nathan.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_00I'm not aware, bro.
SPEAKER_01Um, yeah, I mean, yeah. Enough said, I guess. Um I want to thank both of y'all for coming on. This has been I've had a lot of fun doing this. Definitely. Um maybe we can do this again sometime on some, you know, some shit happens. Uh for sure. Yeah, um, to all the listeners out there, I'll be back again next week with some new shit, I guess. Uh I gotta talk about I gotta part about the World Cup, obviously. I mean, me, if you're wondering why me and Theo kind of like been making faces or weird noises. We're watching We're watching the Argentina, we're watching the Argentina game going crazy, like what the hell is happening?
SPEAKER_00But uh is that Messi's team, right? Argentina?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And they're going against the Cinderella of the tournament, and like the they're just hanging in there like it's just insane. Oh shoot.
SPEAKER_01And they're going ban for ban, really? I mean, really. Yeah, yeah, they're in extra time right now. So yeah, those are the the weird noises or faces or whatever you want to call it that you uh that happened across the recording was was the reactions to that. But uh, like I said, thank y'all for listening. Thank y'all for coming. Trey and Theo, thank you. I'll put their uh at my when I post the shit. And uh yeah, see y'all next week.
SPEAKER_02Yes, sir. Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Thank you for having us, thank you.