Episode 38 - The Team talks early turkeys and season prep!

In this episode we learn about some early season success that SLD had with his sons in the turkey woods. Bubba on the water, not so much. But its all fun being outside. Hope you had a great Easter as we celebrate true hope because of a risen Savior!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Supposed to be a bow makes a lot less noise than a shot. I'm just doing it. I don't know that they take it.

SPEAKER_05 0:09

How did you clear everything up? You don't even want to know. I need some blood work. So just throwing it out. You want that baseball advice from those two. You don't want it from me.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:35

All right, you have found your way back to the Mostly Legal podcast. We are, man, we are excited and geared up for another episode. I'm here with my brother Scott Dinkins and Bubba Johnston, and we're back at Dinkins Mill on location, back from Pinewoods, South Carolina, after being with the Smoke Boys, and it is a beautiful spring afternoon. The trees are greening up, the turkeys are gobbling, and it is a wonderful time to be outdoors and to be telling stories about the outdoors. We're excited to uh be with you today, just the three of us. We're gonna recap some of the guests we've had these last couple of weeks, and we've got a few fresh stories we want to share with you. But before we jump in and untangle more stories, Bubba wants to give a shout out to the listener of the week.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

All right, so this week's listener of the week is a young man who I understand loves the podcast, does not miss an episode, um, lives over in Columbia, attends Ben Lippin um school over there. He is six year old, and his name is Bo Brewer. All right, Boeing. Bo, we appreciate you listening to the podcast. Um, good friend of your daddy, he's a nice guy, super nice guy, good friend of ours, and and we're glad to glad to know that you're listening and supporting us out there. Make sure you tell your your buddies to listen to it, and we certainly appreciate you listening every week, Bo. Uh good luck with the baseball. I think you're in the middle of baseball right now, so um keep them keep it in the grass. That's right. Keep your eye on the ball. Nice level swing, Bo. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:58

You want that baseball advice from those two. You don't want it from me.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

Oh, yeah. Hey, listen, it's good to be back at Dinkins Mill. Pinewood was nice, and Joey was a great host. Indeed. But there is no place like Dinkin's Mill.

SPEAKER_05 2:10

Well, especially this time of year and looking out at the pond. Uh, if we'd had a little more time, maybe we could have set up with that in the background. But it's a um beautiful afternoon and just fun to be out here. A lot going on, and uh we don't have a guest this morning, as we said, but we did want to take time to look back at the couple of guests that we've had lately. And if we start first with the Smoke Brothers, our most recent guest. What stood out to you there, Scott or Bubba, with those guys? Was there one story that just really resonated?

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Well, we of course the story that that John told about um when he was practicing law with the game war in Arkansas, I think that one kind of took off and and got a lot of traction everywhere. And there was a little bit of debate. It was kind of interesting. Scott and I talked about it. I did not see it, but he saw where there was some debate where some people were questioning whether that actually happened or not. And yeah, you can't pay them and you can't pay them on the spot. And they said that they said that you can't pay them on spot. Well, I want to come here and just let me just debunk that to anybody that's listening out there that they will absolutely take cash on the spot. Well, I think I think they would have, you know, 25, 30 years ago. I'm not sure they still do. Yeah, but I'm just in the story context of when it was saying, oh, that didn't happen. Well, that was a while ago. And I can tell you when we were out there, which was a while ago as well, um, when we got caught with the 30 horsepower motors, didn't realize that we had 25 decals and over 30 horsepower motors. But it happens like that. The man, the man said that's $180 cash, and I don't make change. And when he opened up his ticket book, he had taken a lot of $180 cash that morning from a lot of different people because he had a wad of $20 bills. He looked like a carney at the Sumner County thing. Unbelievable how many $20 bills he had that day.

SPEAKER_05 3:45

Bubba, I it, you know, I I believe you, but it you're putting our listeners in a tough spot because they only have your word to go on to back up John Smoke. Because Scott and I, we never had a ticket in Arkansas, had to pay on the spot. We don't know if that's how it went or not.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

Well, I'm legal.

SPEAKER_05 3:58

I mean, even you do it mostly legal, you don't get in trouble. You don't have to worry about it. We'll take you at your word and just assume that's the how it went back in the day. Back in the 1900s, as my kids like to say.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

No, I the the thing I think that I I didn't know the smokes very well, still uh look forward to getting to know them better. But those guys ate and drank and and slept fishing and hunting. I mean, that's what they did. And and that's one of the things that uh I I appreciate about what we're doing here is the different personalities we're able to bring on. And uh, and you know, them and their brother Jim, they've they've been doing this a long time, and and they are very knowledgeable in not just you know hunting turkeys or bow hunting deer. I mean, bow hunting deer uh on a dog drive? I mean, that that was I never heard of that. That story was amazing. And um, and and then all the fishing, uh those guys really are outdoors now.

SPEAKER_01 4:53

Well, they aren't here to defend themselves, but sometime on a dog drive when you might be on a line where you're not supposed to be, a bow makes a lot less noise than a shotgun. So I'm just throwing out, I don't know, they they they can they can maybe rebut that or something, but I'm just saying throwing that out there. A boat does not make near the noise.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Speaking of potentially uh trespassing, that was another good storyline from the Smoke Brothers. You know, they were kind of giving their perspective of the Armadilla uh, you know, instance where Stephen Lincoln was parked on their prop property, as uh Joey liked to say it. And uh that was interesting to hear about it from their perspective.

SPEAKER_05 5:28

Yeah, you could tell that even as John told it, he you know, when it he first realized somebody was there, he was pretty hot. Oh, yeah. He hit down there and got up on his truck so he could see Lincoln coming out, but he didn't know who he was and he didn't want Lincoln to see him. And he was we I'm calling the law, you're not going anywhere really told me.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

John didn't mention any of those details. I forgot to ask him about that.

SPEAKER_05 5:50

We might have to come back around. Come back around to that. Um speaking of uh stories and and get stories straight, uh, John tried to get the straight story out of Joey about shooting those two deer on a dog drive with the bow. Do you think John believes Joey at this point?

SPEAKER_03 6:05

I I think there's plenty of wiggle room there for John for John to keep giving it to him. He just doesn't believe that he killed two deer. But you know, I've I'm not a dog hunter like Bubba is growing up, but I've been on some dog hunts and I've seen uh bucks that are skint back, like there's no way you can hit them with a bow. And then I've seen bucks that are kind of tiptoeing through the woods trying to sneak around a dog, and uh and if if the right circumstances presented themselves, I think Joey could be telling the absolute truth.

SPEAKER_05 6:38

Yeah, he was pretty confident and ready to tell the truth. I like how John uh prefaced his whole argument with with uh now Joey just got out of a Bible study down here. So he's gonna tell the truth.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

So I will say, like, this is not a one-up thing. This is just something that happened one time. We were on a dog hunt. Tommy Topper. No, no, no, not Tommy Topper at all. This is what happened on a dog hunt. It didn't happen to me, but I was I was on the dog hunt. Pretty interesting. Uh we were hunting Manchester, and it was actually right down there. We were hunting a block, right down there by Pointset State Park, uh, where Sandy Sanders was the lifeguard. That's right. And um, and I swam like a barracuda. I mean, that's there we go, right there. So we were dog hunting that that block, and there's a big hill that kind of comes over before you get to the state road. Bill Wingate, a good friend of mine, he was on the dog hunt with us, and he was he was standing down the road, and the dogs are running, and he looks up, and two does are coming over that hill. And he threw the gun up and they jumped as they were running full speed. Both of them hit trees head on, and they hit the ground, broke their necks, and they just kind of quivered. Were they death rows? They might have been getting ready to be in death throws. Bill, Bill not knowing what to do, he runs out in the road and shoots up in the road. And we weren't shooting does. Like there was no dough tags, we weren't shooting does. Shoots up in the road? Because he was trying to get somebody's chin. He was young. He's young. Like up, I mean, up in the he was runs out in the road and shoots up in the air. Okay. And I'm sorry about that. And he um, so Norwood Davis, which was the head of Manchester time, probably was the same guy that called Joey about the the albino turkey. Okay. Um, he comes driving down it because he's he's kind of monitoring this whole Manchester hunt. And and Bill said, He did deer here, dear, like that. And he said, You shot him, and and Bill's like, No, sir, I didn't shoot him, I didn't shoot him anywhere, I promise you. And he said, Well, you shot, and he said, I just wanted and and he was all panicking or whatever. Sure enough, Norway goes up there, there's no bullet hole in the deer anywhere at all, neither one of them. And anyway, two deer, no shots, ran into committed suicide, ran into the tree. Might be a record. Dolls were right on him.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

You know, speaking about that albino uh turkey, one thing you know I appreciated about Joey is uh listened to him talk. He's very mild mannered and he talks very deliberately. Uh, but but he got hot with that guy from uh questioning. Asking him about that albino turkey and where he was on the property line. And and one foot over the line. Yeah, next thing I know, I was just right over the line. And I was like, yeah, this guy's just like us. He can get he can get wound up every now and then.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

I mean, and once again, he did prove that of the smoke crew, he sounds like the most accomplished of the crew. I'm just telling you.

SPEAKER_03 9:23

Well, we hadn't had Jim on. I I I hope we can make that work. That would be a good addition to the podcast for sure.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

I've talked to Jim a couple times. He is getting better. He's been he's been pretty under the weather. And so I'll hopefully when he gets back to full strength, we can get him back on the podcast.

SPEAKER_05 9:37

Have you talked to him? Has he had a chance to listen to his brother?

SPEAKER_01 9:40

He has. He said he enjoyed it. Um, there are some things he probably wants to discuss. That's great. So looking forward, hopefully we can get Jim on here.

SPEAKER_05 9:49

That's great. That's awesome. All right, well, let's take a minute and uh and back up another episode or two when we had uh Stephen Lincoln back on. And before we jump into what you liked or disliked about Stephen Lincoln being on for the second time, the first guest ever in history of the podcast to come on twice.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Um let's don't overstate that.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

He uh I wanted to mention the armadillo. Why do we call him the armadillo? I think some people have asked me that question before. And uh there was a time where uh as younger men, we would like to get together, we'd play some poker. Very small stakes poker, but get together and play cards.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Men's fellowship, I think it's fellowship and fellowship, so entertainment.

SPEAKER_05 10:25

Yeah, and uh and but Lincoln was very, very good. And he he won a lot. Uh he did. He was he was a good he was a good card player, but he would always talk about this book he had read by Amarillo Slim, this Texan, you know, gambler that had written this poker book. And he'd always talk about Amarillo this and Amarillo that. And so I was like, you know, Amarillo, but we'll call you the armadillo. That's about as close as you're gonna get to the to the uh fame of uh of the true Amarillo Slim that used to win a bunch of cards.

SPEAKER_03 10:53

I heard a lot about those quarter poker games y'all used to play. Um and and Lincoln, he he he's just a personality that once you meet him and and interact with him a little bit, you know, if you meet somebody else that knows Stephen Lincoln, you you immediately feel like you're connected to them because y'all both been around Lincoln. Um you know, to me, the you know, there's some bathroom humor in some of Lincoln's episodes, which uh Big Steve has already told me he didn't approve of that. He didn't like that.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Big Steve did not like that.

SPEAKER_05 11:26

He won't walk around without socks on.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

So I mean just got a level of modesty to match. He's not a bathroom humor kind of guy. Um But the the story about the Gills Creek uh toe shot where he hit the car and came back inside, I thought that should have gone, you know, you talk about going viral. That that reel was amazing.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

Well, we might have taken a little too long to tell the story to let it develop to be a good reel, but it was gosh, it was true. I and like going back in my memory, I remember sitting on that couch and kind of watching him out of my peripheral walk in and go back to his bedroom and thinking I should go get some shots. Never realizing. And it took me forever to put it together, but sure enough. But and then you ask him, Lincoln, is this what happened? Yeah, what what do you have to say for yourself?

SPEAKER_04 12:11

Well, I hit one off the toe and it went flying down Gills Creek Parkway. He's something else. He was funny.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

I I I you know, unlike Big Steve, I did enjoy the bathroom humor. I thought it was pretty funny. I I probably liked the one when he was in the airport as much as any.

SPEAKER_05 12:28

I can see the Dubai or Doha or somewhere over there.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

I can see the the guy just giving it to him in whatever language that was. And yeah, it's it's been a good thing. Aramaic, who knows?

SPEAKER_03 12:38

Um but yeah, and and here's the thing, the other thing that I think gets overshadowed with Lincoln's humor is he's become a really good deer hunter. And those bucks, I mean we put a picture on our Instagram page of the bucks that he killed and that uh his daughter Warner killed, and those are really nice deer. Big deer. And um, and so you know, he's he had a really good season last fall. He's not much of a turkey hunter. I said, Lincoln, you know, what about these places where you deer hunt? I mean, if you're not much of a turkey hunter, maybe you need one. I happen to know a turkey hunter. Um, but he didn't bite on that hook. I don't you know, shockingly, he didn't really offer anything up.

SPEAKER_05 13:21

Um Dana Link, if you're listening, it sounds like uh Scott's asking again a little more clearly.

SPEAKER_03 13:26

No, I think he I think he was pretty clear. You think he understood a little clarity there. I was trying I was trying to take a page out of the Bubba Johnston playbook and you know try to figure out a way to get access. I mean, Bubba, maybe you can give me some pointers. What did I do wrong?

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Uh really I'm not gonna divulge all the secrets there. But clandestine. But Lincoln, I mean, if you're listening, I may give you a call. I mean, it is about turkey season anyway.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

Speaking of turkeys.

SPEAKER_05 13:52

Speaking of turkeys. I do want to tell a story, and and in many ways, it's a follow-up of a story we told with Lincoln. Scott and I told the story about uh the very first turkey that I had shot. You got a cough? You get you got a I could I'm healthy as a horse. Don't even start. I could not be any healthier. Sniffle. Shut up.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

So forgot about that. I came out of those conversations too. I forgot about that. So then do you want to keep like what have you done since we had episode?

SPEAKER_05 14:19

What how did you clear everything up? You don't even want to know. They did some blood work. So the story that I was gonna tell you was this this very first turkey I ever shot was not far from here on the other side of Dinkins Mill Road. And uh we talked about how it was a real clear morning, and the turkey gobbled his head off. And I thought it was real easy. My first turkey hunt, I thought it was real easy. He just came right up and I shot him, and it was beautiful and fun. And I've been on so many turkey hunts since then that were a lot harder, and the turkeys didn't cooperate. Well, lo and behold, fast forward 25 years, um, Saturday I go to Simpsons, I'm doing yard work, and I see uh some dads with their youth checking in turkeys. They're doing a little turkey contest at Simpsons, and so I'm like, oh, it was a youth day. I should have tried to take the boys. And I've talked to one of the guys that's there, and they're like, Well, we're gonna go back out in the morning. And I was like, It's youth day tomorrow, too. And they're like, Yeah, Saturday and Sunday. So I got to teach Sunday school, and so I don't have I don't have very long.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

But you're already well prepared for your Sunday school lesson.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Oh, yeah, and for the turkey bag. I mean, because you got your box, and what's what's your bag got on it? What's it say? Turkey calls turkey calls. Turkey calls, just to make sure we don't get that confused with something else. Turkey calls.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

I pulled out my turkey call bag. I went out to the garage and pulled out my bin with the camouflage in it. I pulled out stuff for the boys and me, and I'm all geared up, and uh, it's gonna be a beautiful day. Saturday was beautiful, Sunday was gonna be beautiful, and I'm thinking, you know, I hadn't done any scouting, but there's a bunch of turkeys there in deer season, and if they're still around, we're gonna hear them gobble tomorrow. It's gonna be awesome. And so uh keeping in mind that I came four times last year with my boys.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

You usually do a lot of scouting.

SPEAKER_05 15:51

Usually I came last year four times, and I knew we never heard a bird, a bird, and they thought that there's no turkeys at Ninkins Mill, and that I'm a bad hunter, and they were right about one of those things, which is me. There's plenty of turkeys here.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

Well, you know, in defense, you know, last year to this year, I think I don't know what the weather was uh last spring, but I think we had a really good hatch. Yeah. And we did see a lot of turkeys in the fall while we were deer hunting.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

We did.

SPEAKER_03 16:15

And so we we kind of had a premonition that it was gonna be pretty good, at least the first hunt or two, which is what you you're talking about.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

So I taught my boys into going. They say, Yeah, we'll go. And I can tell they don't have all the confidence they didn't that they need to have in me to pull this off. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna call the best turkey caller I know to closer. I'm gonna call Bubba J. See if there's any chance he wants to get up early on a Sunday morning. And he says, Well, first thing I invited him, he says, Well, I got to teach Sunday school. I said, I do too. We're gonna take we have one hour. What other excuse you got, Bubba? Seriously, come on, Bubba J.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

So another thing was what was I doing? I was in, I was, I was like, Steven, I'm I'm in the middle of a bass fishing tournament. I was in a big bass fishing tournament Saturday. Well, we promptly got our behinds. I asked you to talk about that.

SPEAKER_05 16:54

I said, Bubba, are you catching anything? He said, We haven't caught anything yet. I said, Okay, but I'm gonna talk because I'm not wasting any of your time. So we made a plan, Bubba agreed to go with us, and we go up, and not a hundred yards from where you and Lincoln and I shot that turkey. Bub and I set up with these boys, and the turkey was got there's a couple gobblers and they're making noise right off the get-go. And by 7.05, 710 at the latest, Bubba had them caught up out of up the bluff, out of the woods, into the edge of that field. Beautiful burnt woods. Benny, beautiful burnt woods. Which is another story. It's another story. These are words, these are what's clear. They were very clear. And the birds come up, we show Benny, it was so excited. But what I loved about it most was that both of my boys got to hear those turkeys gobble a lot. And I don't know that they gobbled quite as much as that day with me in Lincoln, but it was still a bunch. And they gobbled as they walked up that hill and they got closer and closer. And this uh anticipation was building, and when they finally popped out, it was fantastic. And he shot, and man, we got back in plenty of time to shower and get ready to go to church and be there for Sunday school and worship. So it was an absolutely wonderful day. I am thankful for Bubba Going because he called that time in like it was on a string.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

So Bubba's like the wild thing from major leagues. You need a closer, you call him in and he will close the deal.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

So a couple of things about that from my perspective that morning. Okay. First, first thing was we had a plan. We kind of pivoted on that plan last second. Why? Tell us about that.

SPEAKER_03 18:22

Just just the turkey hunters out there want to know.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Well, sometimes, you know, we had a head plan, and as we're walking up, I just felt something in my heart.

SPEAKER_03 18:30

So you could go this way. You were keeping a positive mental attitude.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Oh, I had a positive mental attitude, no doubt, PMA, much more so than in the tournament Saturday, okay? Um, but so so we made a little pivot. We go around there, and the turkeys, like Stephen said, they're gobbling. And it's clear and it was a cool morning, and they are like 35.

SPEAKER_05 18:50

It was honestly cold, but they were gobbling from the onset, so I never felt cold. But as soon as that bird was shot and we stood around and talked about it, picked it up and walked back, I realized I was freezing.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

When we got out of the truck, it was 37 degrees on your little thing. I looked at it. Man, it was cool. But it was chilly, and so so they're gobbling, and I felt like, okay, this was probably pretty good. I didn't hear any hens calling, nothing. I thought, okay, I I got the slate out and it didn't want to, it was that and a little funny. It was cold, and but I was able to purr a couple times real soft and yelp a couple and they they answer pretty quick.

SPEAKER_03 19:21

Let me jump in right here because you know, I I'm in Chapin on Sunday morning getting ready for worship at Chapin Presbyterian Church.

SPEAKER_05 19:30

You're not just teaching study school, you're pastoring a preacher.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

I'm going through, you know, I'm I'm going through the sermon. I typically get up at five o'clock in the morning. And so I think I got a text from you at seven o'clock, a picture of y'all set up with the boys in front of you. And I think you sent a video, maybe it was a video and a picture, but anyways, it was just you know one gobble. And I was like, oh gosh, they got one on the roofs, and and uh of course I didn't know what happened after that, but I just texted back, it's chilly out there, because in Chapin, we had frost on the cars, it was thirty thirty-two degrees.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

But so that's about seven o'clock in the morning. So they're gobbling, and like I said, I immediately and I they were fired up, and I mean immediately I'm talking about as soon as I whatever, I scraped the dag and slate because I'm not a great slate caller or whatever, I'm not a great turkey caller, period. But sometimes it just works. Sometimes it just works, but slow playing. So but anyway, um they answered, and I was like, that's a good sign. I didn't hear any hens, didn't hear any competition, which is normally good. Um told told Stephen and we knew we had a short time, so I was a lot more I called a lot more than I normally do because I wanted to make sure they were gotta get to church. They were fired up, yeah. And I mean, and so they got them, they I I I got them to answer me a couple times on the roof, which I normally don't do a whole lot. I like them to fly down before I really call to them. But give away all your seats. That's just a fact. I'm not really, I like them to fly down before I call to them, but I wanted to get them answered, and I wanted I wanted to say, hey, they're coming here. So they did. They flew down, they got quiet for a second. And I yelped a couple times with a diaphragm, and they immediately fired off. He answered, and here they're coming. And I could tell like they're coming pretty quick. And Benny was sitting over there, and he's he's he's on the gun. I think y'all already decided he was gonna be the shooter. Yep. Um, and he kind of looked back at me, and he looked back over the way or whatever, and then I call again they gobble and I could tell like they're they're close, like they're right, not far from. And I'm trying to get Benny to look at me because I wanted he doesn't have the gun up. And I'm like, Benny, get your gun up because they're coming, like I can tell they're coming quick. And you were a good 20 yards from Benny, so there was no whispering to Benny from where you were. No, no, I couldn't. I mean, I just I had to motion to him. And so when Benny looked back around at me, I motioned to him that they had flown down and they were walking. And give us an idea what that motion looks like. Is this 100% language? Like that, he could tell and and walking. He knew exactly what I and so anyway, and he looked back away from me and I was like, oh, he didn't he didn't get going up. And so he's looking turkey guy. Again, I was like, oh, they're getting close. And he finally looked back around. I said, put your gun up. And he as soon as he put his gun up, he looked back to the left and I saw him motion with his hands, point like he could see him. Did what was his motion like? But anyway, he pointed. And so so I mean it wasn't but a second after that they came out and it just worked out. And Benny, old dead eye Benny, he he put it on him. He poked him right out there in the field. And it was exciting. So a little bit of backstory with that, that morning. Hang on a minute. Yeah. So he shot.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

And there was what one bird or two birds? Two birds. And so this bird he shot. What happened after the shot? The bird hit the ground.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

The bird hit the ground. He flopped around a little bit. Flopped around? Yeah. But that's what we call it. Excuse me. Stephen calls it. I think he was in the throes of death. But I call it flopping. He was flopping, okay?

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Yeah, those were the death throws.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Death throes. He was in the throes of death. It was very dramatic. Ask Kevin B thought it was dramatic. I think I saw that on.

SPEAKER_06 23:01

Get on his head. Go step over the bottom.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Exactly, because he was bouncing up in the air, and I was like, in this death throw. That turkey on his head. Stephen has seen some turkeys in the death throws that have somehow overcome that and run off.

SPEAKER_05 23:14

Ain't no doubt about it.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Sometimes what you think is the death throws is just maybe like, man, that hurt. And they get up and run around. And so anyway, it worked out, and it was a glorious good morning. We said a prayer. That was good. But thought it before we got to the hunt. Stephen, he can make it a little spiritual. That was good. Kind of and like a little life lesson, but whatever.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

It's Sunday morning, so you gotta deem it a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

He gave them a little life lesson, which I thought was pretty. If you're out there, you need to take these boys and listen. He told the boys, you know, that like turkeys are notoriously cautious animals. Like they they don't they don't want to be seen, they don't want to be heard a lot of times, except for like a month out of the year. And when they start this time of year, when they're trying to get the women's attention and everything, they get stupid and they gobble. It goes against their nature to to make noise. They're typically trying to be quiet, but they they they gobble and they they get all proud and they strut and they run around and they go to the women and and they get killed. And he told the boy, he said, Y'all gotta be careful because like women will get you killed. And so, so uh it was a great life lesson on the way out here.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Well, I mean, that is pretty close to what a story was, okay?

SPEAKER_05 24:30

I'm just telling you, I think the story was the the the main moral was if you're not careful, attraction to women will put you in some bad places and it'll take you to places you don't want to go. Which is not the women's fault, and it'll cause you a lot of problems.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Nobody said the attraction You said women will get you killed. The attraction to women will get you the pursuit of a woman could get you in some serious trouble.

SPEAKER_05 24:54

The pursuit of a woman could get you in some serious trouble.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

And we all agree with that.

SPEAKER_05 24:57

And what Bob and I would agree to was that in the car at six o'clock in the morning, it sounded much more theologically sound than what we just rolled. I'm sure it was gold. I would have great.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

I'm a matter of fact, you came up, you came up with a reference. One time you had gotten in trouble over the pursuit of a woman and kind of got stomped in the ground. But we talked about it a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

Hey, one time it'd not be uh actually accurate that I got in trouble over the pursuit of a woman. However, I would take issue with the second part of your story, but that's all right. Hey, listen, I'm sure you were there. You could tell a story. Go ahead, tell it however you want.

SPEAKER_05 25:30

Okay, all I can tell you is a funny part. That's that's that was a good spiritual lesson there. Be careful, chasing ladies. But it was here's what Bubba said to my boys. I mean, the turkey had just finished the death throws. It's over. Okay, it the hunt is over, everybody's exhilarated. And you gotta keep in mind, Bubba's been over there calling as if he were a hen, right? He's talking to these toms, he's telling them stuff that makes them want to come in.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

And uh was he doing any of the sign language?

SPEAKER_05 25:55

No, he wasn't doing a lot of sign language, but he said, Boys, when y'all turn 21, I'll tell you what that hen was saying to those tom turkeys.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

Not to you 21. That's good stuff right there.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

I mean, you got it had him running, that's for sure. I'll tell you what.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

Yeah, Bubba Bubba told me that uh Benny and Nehemiah think he is like the grand poo-bah of it.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

I will say this, and and this is this is a fact, and I've told this is this is probably a quote that you can use. A good turkey will make an average turkey hunter look like a daggum great turkey hunter. And that was a good turkey the other morning. He made me look like you couldn't tell him I wasn't a professional, and I am a rookie most of the time, but that turkey made me look good. You had one of those old little eggs over there and caused. You could have, you could have you could have scraped chalk on a chalkboard the other day and they would have come. I'm just telling you right now.

SPEAKER_05 26:46

I'm not sure that's true, but he didn't behave correctly. All right, so that was our story from Sunday. Um, but when I called you to invite you, you were on the water. So tell us about this uh fishing tournament.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

So I've had a couple things happen that are humbling, very humbling last week. Two two different things happened last week. We fished a very big tournament Saturday out of John C. Land. It was the Phantom Bass Tournament. They guaranteed $10,000. Uh so it was a big, pr pretty big tournament. Um, it was an interesting tournament because the wind was blowing steady 15 to 15 to 15 to 18 miles an hour, steady with gust of 35. And it was howling. And so it was cold. So they well, it wasn't cold to start with, but it got cold about 9 o'clock, it got really cold. And that was after the clouds cleared out and it got clear, it got cold when that front finally blew in. And so we decided that, and they made it where you could actually trail her. You could leave John Land in the boat, I mean in the truck, and go put in any public landing, but you had to be back just like at a regular tournament of the way in at 3:30 or 3.45, whatever time your check-in time was. But we decided that we were going to just run from John Land because the wind was blowing off the hill and we were going up the lake, so we'd be able to stay on the hillside. And so we did, and it was rough on the lake, but it wasn't too too bad that you could run. I mean, it took us 20 minutes to get to where we were going, whereas if we had a trailered, it probably would have taken forty forty minutes or so.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

And they would break in right here and say, um, you know, we had hoped that that kind of trip for you would become much shorter. Yes, if we had won the nitro from Chris Wells for good Well Spoken Ministries, but the last drawing was on Sunday. Very, very sad that we did not win.

SPEAKER_05 28:27

I don't even think one of our listeners won. Where was the guy that won?

SPEAKER_03 28:31

His name was uh uh John or Jeff Malone from Tennessee.

SPEAKER_05 28:37

He's probably like Chris's college roommate or something. He's a punk. Well, you know, I don't know. We're congratulating congratulations, Mr. Malone. Uh we're congratulations. Absolutely on the up and up. It would have been great to win it because that would have made for a season worth of content for that podcast if we had won that one.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

One trip that y'all took, it had been torn up. Y'all. Okay, so uh you 20 minutes, you didn't have to trailer, you went to somewhere in the we go up the lake um and we um we start fishing. I catch one pretty quick. I mean not a big one, but two and a half pounds, but that's a good sign. On a trick wire? Uh on the spinnerbait. Speed wire. Spinnerbait. Spinner bait. Um and then I had another one, hit the spinnerbait, had him on for just a second, he pulled off. I don't know if it was a big one, little one, I couldn't tell. Um and then caught two more. Uh, and things were slow at that point. Like, but just no size to them, and it was bad. But the problem was the window.

SPEAKER_05 29:34

I still like this story.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

Huh? Yeah. So I mean I'm giving you some play by play. So anyway, long story short, um, we ended up catching four all day long. We caught eight baths, four keepers, it weighed 11.71 pounds and got smoked. We got a home old big time lost. What was the winning bag? 28 pounds.

unknown 29:54

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

So you couldn't have taken either than added them together twice, and we would not, I don't even think we'd have got the last check. 22 something was the last check.

SPEAKER_05 30:01

Uh did you know who won?

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Uh I do well, I know of them.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

Um I'm not sure your math is math, but go ahead. Huh? Added your bag together twice?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Yeah, add it together. 22 pounds.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

Yeah, but if you add it together twice, that's 33 pounds.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

No, add it together. Just add it together. Okay, whatever. Whatever. Add it together. 22 pounds, okay? 11 and 11, 22 pounds. And what I do, words matter, and I'm just saying I didn't think all right. So anyway, we still we didn't catch them. Period.

SPEAKER_05 30:30

And you don't know exactly who won, but somebody did.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Causey and Jeff Coat won. 28 pounds. And then Max Terry and Mark Barnes finished second with 24.78 pounds. Uh-oh. But that was good. I was happy for him. I was very excited for them.

SPEAKER_03 30:42

Did you get any pointers? I mean, would they do different?

SPEAKER_01 30:44

They just caught them.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

He didn't tell you.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Oh, I know exactly what they did, but I'm not going to tell everybody out there. He had a positive mental attitude. That was a start. Yeah, he had a positive mental attitude. So what's it after first humbling? Well, that's the second homeland experience last weekend. The first humbling experience is my beautiful bride decided for Christmas that she was going to give me a really neat Christmas present. And I opened it up and she had handwritten this poem. And my wife, bless her heart, she teaches math and science.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

And aka GPT a poem.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Not no, she wrote this poem, and you can tell that she's not an English. Like, she's not, she's not teaching poetry because Kim, I love you.

SPEAKER_05 31:25

I bet it's a beautiful poem.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

Anyway, in the line, the line that got it all was we've been working hardy, so now we're gonna see John Party. And I was like, I read this poem, and I was like, Kim, who is John Party? And John Party is a country singer that is really famous, y'all. I didn't really know. I know, I knew when we got to the concert and stuff, I had brushed up on John Party, and I really only knew I've heard three of his songs before. But so we get to the concert, and this is pretty humbling, we walk in this concert, and I'm looking around, I'm going, man, I'm old. I'm really old. Yeah, you go to a concert and you realize every every teenage girl in the class of 26, 27, 28, and 29 is at the John Party concert. And then my wife and I, and these two older ladies on the end of the row we're on, and this other couple that's sitting next to us. And we walk in and we sit on this row, and the lady sitting next to us, she said, Um, this must be the over 40 roll row. And I'm like, You are exactly right. This is definitely I'm on the wrong row then. This is the over 40 row for sure. And so we really were like the oldest people in this concert. I looked around, I'm telling you right now, there was all the teenage girls there. Like they were just high school girls at this John Party concert. I'm like, who is John Party? And he he's got three songs that I actually knew. My wife would look at me, she's like, Oh, it's gonna be a good time. We know John Party. And every time like he'd sing a song, she'd look at me and shake my head, and I'm like, nope, don't know that one. I've never heard that. Nope, don't know that one. But he sings he sings uh Last Night Lonely. How's that go? Last Night Lonely. Um got a little dirt on my boots, is one and something else. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 33:09

A really memorable one.

SPEAKER_05 33:10

Yeah, those were uh that you feeling old. It reminds me of a story that your your Kim tells. Uh there was a time I think Holly Williamson was with y'all. Y'all were in Nashville. Nashville. Y'all were at a bar or you know, at one of these country line dancing kind of bar places, and uh Kim said she felt all young, she was dressed up and looked hip and looked cool and had her, you know, small purse and this and that, and they're all out there having fun.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

And then you finish. But it was it was Kim and Rhonda Huffman and Melissa Ridgeway and Holly Williamson, and they were sitting at the table and they they had they had done it up. They were all, like you said, they they were feeling very confident.

SPEAKER_05 33:47

Like it was in their college union.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

All the guys, we were sitting over here, and and Nashville is a great place just to go to listen to amazingly talented people. Like John Party. Like John Party, I think. That's where you might have got a start. But so we're sitting over there listening to music, and they're sitting at a little table, just kind of hanging out and talking, doing what girls do. And I'm gonna go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

I might not get us exactly right, but the way I remember Kim telling the story was they looked up and there's this there's this group of young, you know, 20-something-year-old girls with short skirts and you know blouses in there, very obviously young, and they're looking around like they need something, and they all of a sudden their eyes lock on Kim and her table of ladies, and those girls come over and they say, excuse me, uh ma'ams, do y'all have any band-aids in your pocketbooks? It just totally hurt their feelings so bad that they saw them as the moms who would have the band-aids in their pocketbooks. Kim said, And they probably didn't add them.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

Kim said up all the people in Nashville, like all the people in this place is packed with hundreds of people. She said, She said, These girls looked at us and we like, yeah, they probably want to know where we got our outfits from or something. And they come bebobbing over. She said, We're all excited because we know they just want to, like, we're the cool. They could tell we were cool. And they they said, So, but really what happened? They looked, they walked in this crowd of hundreds of people, and they looked around and said, Who would be the most likely to have a band-aid? And they came straight to us like a table. He said, some neosporin. They bought their brand new little cowboy boots and they were rubbing their heels from walking up and down Broadway, and so they needed a band-aid blessed at heart.

SPEAKER_05 35:12

Oh, goodness. That's pretty awesome. Yeah, we're getting old. Uh, and you know, when the older you get, you start making uh I think there's a time when you're young and you make some decisions that aren't so wise, and then there's a there's a period in your life where you're trying to be a mature adult. And then I think you start getting a little older and maybe start making uh some decisions that aren't so good again. And Scott and Scott and I had a situation arise uh recently where we we might not have made the best decisions. I don't know if it was the worst, but I want to tell the story before we wrap up this episode. I think it's worthy of telling. Scott, do you want to do you want to start it?

SPEAKER_03 35:43

Well, it's I mean, it's widely known that you're way more humble than I am. So my version of this story might be a little different than your version. Uh maybe. So, you know, we wanted to do some burning out here in the woods at Dinka's Mill, and um there were a couple of areas that we had pinpointed in the time frame that we had to burn. And um and so we had our fire breaks cut and we did some extra cutting with the tractor that day. Oh, extra. And we felt like hey, we're in a good we're in a good position. Um the wind was not bad that particular day. Um and so we had the fire lit with within you know the the major area, I'll say that we wanted to burn. And then we said, well, well, let's cut a break here. Um and without if I went into detail, nobody would know what I'm talking about, so I'm not gonna, but nonetheless, we lit a fire in another area and we cut another break so we would be good. The problem with that second area is that break went all the way down to Little Rafting Creek. And and it's difficult to get a plow to cut when you're not running six or eight miles an hour. And so to get a plow to cut all the way down to the water's edge is not easy. And so at the end of the day, what we think happened is as we as we lit that fire and you know, continued to observe it on Continued the next day and the day after.

SPEAKER_05 37:14

Monitor will be another word.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

Yeah, monitor it, um, attend it. Yes, um, you know, be very uh safeguard safe as uh in all the ways that we can. Uh but nonetheless um it appears that at some point the wind kicked up on the third day. Yes, and and kind of helped reignited that fire.

SPEAKER_05 37:38

Yeah, kind of got outside of a fire break that we had meticulously uh plowed.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Planned and plowed and yeah, and so anyway, um so I got so SLD had actually gone out of state, you know, he was off gallivantin. Working and um and I was monitoring it with my cousin Mike, who is you know a colonel, retired colonel in the armed forces, um, and and very cautious himself.

SPEAKER_05 38:02

Yes, and a rule follower and doing it right with I knew he would be a good person to help monitor.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

So nonetheless, um I got a call from Mike and my dad, Big Steve, is how we affectionately referred to him, within about three minutes of each other, and I realized, uh oh, this is not good.

SPEAKER_06 38:20

Yeah, we have a little more problem.

SPEAKER_03 38:21

And so apparently the fire had gotten out, and the uh fire department had been called and the South Carolina Fire uh Forestry Commission, the South Carolina Forestry Commission had showed up on site with their uh dozer and their um wow, you know, their fire break plow, their fire plow, and and they had commenced to to get in after containing the fire that they had been called on.

SPEAKER_05 38:48

And I at the end of the day, uh it wasn't wildly dangerous except that it had crept slowly towards 261. Some smoke had blown into the road, and that caused a phone call. Somebody is that right? Is that what we know?

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Yeah, that you know, again, your version might be a little different than mine. Um, but yeah, that's what we know, and it's debatable how dangerous the fire was and how uh thick the smoke was, but nonetheless, it made for good fodder for uh some friends of ours who big bald eagle who were um Oh, it's an osprey, I'm sorry. So they made for good fodder for some friends of ours who were, you know, around in the area and paying attention to what was going on in the firewoods at Dingasville. Um but I did get a call from the uh fire marshal.

SPEAKER_05 39:36

Yeah, yeah, I had the report, so now's a good time. Um all of mostly legal land and Steven gets to hear the report. Yeah, this is the fire marshal.

SPEAKER_03 39:43

I mean, you know, the the end of the story is that fire marshal was doing his job. He was very polite, very thorough, very you know, he wasn't um he wasn't like your typical game warden interaction. Right. It was more like, hey, just want to make sure you, you know, you know this, you're reminded of this, make sure you have somebody watching the fire at all times. It looked like your fire breaks were sufficient. They were they they contained the fire, but due to circumstances or conditions, sometimes this happens. So he's very gracious. He said, Look, this you could have done everything right and this still happened. Um he said, but I just want to make sure you've you know that the thing that I want to make sure you know is it's good to have somebody watching the fire at all times. And that's where I was able to say, Hey, I got a cousin who's a colonel. Yeah, uh retired colonel. He's very he obviously he's very thorough, or else he wouldn't be uh at that place in his career. And uh he had an eye on it, and you know, for whatever reason, and this was a this was a Tuesday, the wind had kicked up uh pretty significantly, kind of like the wind uh at your bass fishing tournament this past Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Um it would have been like the wind at my bath fishing tournament, Columbia would be burning right now. I'm just gonna tell you that right now.

unknown 40:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

Well, I you know, I stopped short of telling the fire marshal that it was possibly a squirrel who had carried a hot stick across the fire break. Yeah, and control that.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Did he get your address? Like where where do they send the bill?

SPEAKER_03 41:10

Um well the bill actually, you know, we didn't discuss a lot of that. So we're just kind of playing it by ear right now and and talking through. Um, but but like I said, he was very gracious. Um, super nice man, and I appreciate the work of the South Carolina Forestry Commission. They do a great job, and they I they actually offer um a lot of uh specific opportunities to help land owners with burns. So if you don't have equipment, if you don't own a bulldozer or you know something that can help you cut a fire break in a specific area that you need, you know, a bigger piece of uh uh of equipment, they they actually have some really reasonable prices on their uh website, South Carolina Forestry Commission. So you Google them, check them out, and and they can help you.

SPEAKER_05 41:55

So uh we we were burning that afternoon, Sunday afternoon, and it was we left from there to go down to Pinewood to record with the Smoke Brothers in the Smoke Brothers.

SPEAKER_03 42:03

That's correct.

SPEAKER_05 42:04

And uh when we left, the fire had gotten um broad, but it was burning slow.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

Yeah, I mean i uh we didn't see many flames, if any. I mean, uh maybe on some stump holes.

SPEAKER_05 42:16

That's right. And so uh we you know it was it seemed to be like it was where we needed it to be.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Yeah. No, but you know, cell phones and everybody in the car's got a cell phone.

SPEAKER_05 42:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:26

So as soon as they see a flame or a bit of smoke, they're gonna call.

SPEAKER_05 42:29

Yeah, they did. But I'm down there with Sarah, and we're having lunch. We're in Georgia or wherever we were, and we're having lunch at some little place, and all of a sudden text shows up. Fire trucks at Nincasmill. Dude, my stomach dropped. I was like, oh God, my house that I'm burned down. Oh my god. That's why I called you. And when you laughed and you answered and you laughed, I was like, okay, it's not that bad.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

Or you wouldn't be like, Your buddy loved it.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

Okay, he's like, Gordon Michael called me four times in one day. Oh god, he took me a video coming up and down 261 with a bulldozer running.

SPEAKER_05 43:04

Well, we're lucky that uh it didn't get out of hand any worse than that, Scott. And um, we're thankful for the Foxer Commission and those that are looking after us, and we'll count our blessings. Um, it's always good to do the right thing. And we were trying to be mostly legal, but maybe we didn't get all the right stuff done.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

So if you need gunsmith, then you can call me if you need a little control burn. Dinkins brothers brothers control burn. That might be a new new business.

SPEAKER_05 43:28

Well, I'm quite certain we're not the first people that ever had a fire getaway from experience is the best teacher. That's exactly right. Well, listen, it's been great. These are great stories, and we're looking forward to the next episode that's gonna come out next week on Monday. We got a very special guest coming. You're gonna love him. So look forward to tuning in next Monday for another episode of Most of Legal where we will uh untangle a few more chaotic stories.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

All right. Well, welcome back to our word segment. I want to look this Monday after Easter Sunday at The resurrection chapter in 1 Corinthians 15, and think just for a minute about Jesus' resurrection from the grave. Verse 16 in 1 Corinthians 15 says this for if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised, and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile, and you are still in your sins. Then those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied. Paul's argument here is that Jesus Christ has absolutely been raised from the dead. And if he hasn't been, if they were able to locate the body of Jesus Christ and 100% prove that Jesus is still in the grave, then Christianity is done. It has lost any power. There's no truth in it. And we can exchange our faith for hedonism or Buddhism or any other false religion in the world. But the hinge point of Christianity is Jesus' resurrection. He goes on, verse 17 If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile, and you are still in your sins. Second point is that Jesus' resurrection means that he has gained victory, or the payment that he made for our sins has been accepted by God the Father. Because he says, if if he hasn't been raised, you're still in your sins, but he has been raised, and so therefore our sin debt has been covered. Verse 18 then those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. Those who've already died and are awaiting Jesus' return so that their bodies might be caught up together with their souls with Jesus in the sky. Those who have fallen asleep awaiting this great hope, they've perished. They actually aren't with Jesus in their soul form, waiting for their body to be resurrected. And then finally, if in Christ we have hope, in verse 19, in this life only, we are of all people most to be kidded most to be pitied. There is no hope in this life only. The resurrection of Jesus points to the reality that because Christ has been raised, he is a first fruits of all those who put their faith in him, and they, we too, also will be raised. Because Jesus has been resurrected, we also will enjoy eternal life forever with him because our sins have been covered. The resurrection is a reality, and we will enjoy eternity because of the victory Jesus obtained over the grave. That's the good news of the gospel. I hope you enjoy thinking about meditating on that this week. And may you honor the Lord and pursue him more vigorously this week. Have a great one. We'll talk to you soon.