Episode 39 - Mostly Legal welcomes Daniel Andrews!

We think you are gonna love this new guest. Daniel has some great stories and our relationships go back a long way. This episode was a lot of fun. We hop you enjoy it like we did!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

I launched bets on Hugh Jack when I got I got Hugh in this league.

SPEAKER_01 0:02

I didn't think he'd know he was a marine workout his whole life.

SPEAKER_02 0:08

He's a whole swims like a barracuda, runs like a cheetah.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Oh, he does it all. He's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 0:17

Tournament fishing. There is no tournament I enjoy more than the Ninka's mill plastic. Because there are bigger. Steven came back from uh from Africa and he told Jenkins, he was like, You're the only guy I know just had alligator eyeballs on the roof of your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

This is true. This is true. All right, mostly legal land. In the words of Coach Shane Beamer, welcome home. You've made it back to the Mostly Legal Podcast. Amen. It is time. Oh it's time for us to untangle a few more stories. Find a coffee or a beverage of your choice. I hope you can sit back and enjoy some of the banter that's going to happen for this episode. We've got a great guest that we're excited to have with us today. We're going to get more into him in just a second. But I'm Stephen Dinkins, your host, and I'm here as always with uh Bubba Barracuda Johnston down at the end of the table. And right next to me, of course, my brother Scott Dinkins, who's driven over from Chapin, who's also our producer, our audio editor, and everything else. Right here.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

We're out at Dinkins Land again.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

We're back out here at Dinkins Mill again in the clubhouse, looking out at the pond as the sun's going down and wishing I was out there throwing a trick worm, but instead we're in here talking and telling stories and having a good time.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Second bless uh best place to be. Right here.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Right here.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Is a trick worm what you normally throw, Steven?

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Well, I can't get into all of the details of my strategies.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Top and secret.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

The bait and tackle and lures and whatnot that I like to throw. But uh before we jump into all that, uh our guest has almost given himself away. But Scott, let's go to let's go to you real quick and uh give a shout out to the listener of the week.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

The listener of the week is one of my very best friends in the world. His name is Kenneth Mims. Everybody from Sumter will probably know Kenneth, but Kenneth and I go way back. Uh we were roommates at Carolina um all four years. Uh we you know, sometimes you hear stories about roommates that room together their freshman year and then realize they don't really jibe very well. But Kenneth and I uh jibed very well together, and uh he uh is an encourager and um he's always uh supporting you know the things that we do and our friend group does and and mostly legal is no different uh for that from that. And uh Kenneth is in insurance, uh he was formerly at Bynum Insurance and then Assured Partners, and now it's Gallagher, I think. And uh and so Kenneth, we appreciate you listening, we appreciate your encouragement, appreciate your friendship and support. And uh I think you know he's talked us up well in a lot of his circles, and so um Kent uh ask you to please continue to do that uh and you know keep pulling for the Game Cox. Appreciate the shout-out to Shane Beamer. I know he will too. Um, but yeah, I I uh love Kenneth, love uh his family. Um his dad, Big Kent, is what we called him. Um he was a treasure, he was uh he was a great encourager as well. He would come over on on particular days uh and take us out. He would always want to go to California dreaming, um, but uh we would go down there and he treated me like his own son and uh lots of good memories with Kenneth and um hope to make many more, but he has started to take his son Wilson outside and um I think Wilson killed a nice deer this past year. And uh so Wilson, if you listen to this, um keep listening to your daddy, he's a good one. You've been blessed, and so thankful for the Mims family for sure.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

There's a lot of great stories with Kenneth that involve, of course, you. I've I've heard so many from y'all's time in college and and right on up until recently. But uh his dad is also a source of tremendous stories like ours is and like our guests is, as well as Bubba's. But maybe one day we'll get Kenneth on here, maybe one of Big Kent's old friends, and tell some Kent Mem stories because there's a there's a lot of them out there.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Absolutely. All right, let's move on to our new guest. Uh, this is a guy that we talked about a little bit uh a couple episodes ago. He was a listener of the week, and so we're glad to maybe have on a little sooner than I thought I'd get him on here, but we're glad to have it, Daniel Andrews. Daniel's a good friend. I got to know Daniel probably 20 years ago. We worked together for I think eight or ten years in the real estate business and had a lot of fun. I mean, we might not have made as much money as we wanted, but we laughed uh enough to make up for a lot of it. I mean, we laughed and laughed. So I'm sure you're gonna hear some of those stories today. But as I mentioned during the listener of the week shout, uh Daniel is the father to Jenkins Andrews, who is a world-class youth hunter, and we had him on the podcast uh episode number, I don't know, 14, 15, somewhere in there.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

As well as the world-class fisherman, too.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

So uh Warren's father's son.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

This is the first father's son.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

It is, yeah, it sure is. Uh so it's really neat that both of you have been on here. But Daniel, we want to welcome you uh before I get you to tell us a little bit about Jenkins, help make that connection. Uh, I know that uh you, I mentioned your dad. You come from a dad who loved the outdoors, and like the Smoke Brothers last week, you have been in the outdoors since you can't you you can't remember not being in the swamp, right, or in the woods. And so uh we look forward to having your brother Chad on here with you at some point in the future because we'd love to have a Andrew's brother episode like we had the Smoke Brother episode. It was special hearing those stories with the brothers, and Scott and I get to share a lot of them, and it's good when we get those brothers on here. So we're gonna hear a little bit about that. But first, I want to say well done on Raisin Jenkins. What a fine young man and what a great outdoorsman. The stories he told, it sounded like he was 60 years old telling us with all that experience. Pretty wild. The thwack.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Oh, the full thwack. Yeah. Right. So thank you guys for having me on. There's no place I would rather be than sitting around a table telling stories with you guys. So the the podcast has been going on for what, a year now? Close to it. We're we're we're yeah zeroing in that there. Close to a year.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Episode 30. I think this will be 38, 39. So we're almost there.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

Almost to a year. But this group has been doing this and getting together and telling stories and laughing at each other, picking on each other for 20 years now. So it's something I I certainly love doing. Um to your point on Jenkins, the Lord has blessed me with a great family. My wife, Lisa, she's amazing, fantastic. And uh our three boys, Jenkins, Caleb, and Joshua, all are talented in their own ways in in different things. Um certainly the outdoors, Jenkins coming on and talking about his buck he killed with the bow this year. That was just an uh awesome experience. And uh I was able to be there. I wasn't hunting with him, but I did get the call when he shot and was able to leave work and be there for it. So that was an amazing day. And uh just a great young man and um very mature for his age and well ahead of his years in hunting and fishing and enjoying the outdoors.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Yeah, let's talk a little bit about uh Jenkins for a minute. How did you get him into the bow hunting world? What'd that look like? And then how many years did he bow hunt before this past year where he made that big uh connection?

SPEAKER_02 7:17

So he's had to grind it out. This didn't come easy. Um Jenkins jumped into bow hunting probably well before he should have. That's just his nature. We we hunted with the rifle a little bit and he knew I had been a big bow hunter um up until the point I started taking him with the rifle and he just decided that he wanted to bow hunt and we got him a bow for Christmas. I don't know, he's probably seven or eight years old, and he started shooting the bow and he said, I'm gonna kill a big one with this. And um he had a pretty high standard, so he didn't shoot a whole lot. He killed um I remember he killed his first buck with the bow with my dad and Chad, my brother, and I was up in Ohio with work, and um he killed his first buck with the bow with them uh a couple years before, but then he just set his sights on a trophy. He said, I want a big one, I want a big one with the bow, and I'm not gonna shoot anything else until I get the opportunity. And then that particular deer that he killed that he was in here talking to you guys about, he hunted that deer for two years, so hard. And um a whole lot of things that went into that story as well. Like I I was at work one day and I'm looking at my phone, and if you guys get pictures on your phone from your trail cameras while you're at work, it's it's agonizing. Sometimes you know you're working and the bucks are popping up. So I'm I get these pictures at at noon one day, and it's him and one of his buddies on a Friday. His buddy has on his um football uh jersey because he's playing that night, and they have got twin um lime green watering cans from my wife's garden gardening supplies, and they're watering the food plot in front of the camera with uh a football jersey and a watering can. So just some funny things that went into that. A lot of effort, a lot of work went into that deer he killed.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

So that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 9:03

Really fulfilling.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

You know, the cool story uh before the story was I think he had a a shot at the same buck the year prior and uh the deer had come in and laid down and bedded down right in front of him, and he couldn't get a good shot that he felt good about. Right. Which speaks to his training and his uh ability to recognize, you know, I want to kill this deer, but I might not do it w with this hunt, with this angle, and and so he was waiting on the deer to stand up, but it it just kind of you know shot out of there before he could get a good clean look at him. Um but yeah, finally uh getting to this past year and the culmination of that hunt was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Oh yeah, it was awesome and an awesome experience. Um Sandy actually made it out there that day. It's funny. Jenkins or I won called Sandy and he he said, I happen to be right where you're at. And Jenkins was he thinks he's got his location turned on, you know, he's tracking him down. But uh Sandy came and was able to celebrate with us, and um it was a big deer and really exciting hunt for the.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Did y'all get that deer scored by the way?

SPEAKER_02 10:07

We have not gotten it scored. We did get it mounted, so scoring's probably in the works.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Well, you missed your opportunity at the Sportsman's Day at uh Simpson's hardware not too long ago. Um and speaking of of partners and sponsors, uh, we have a new one uh I want to mention, which is Southeastern Greenscapes, a friend of mine, uh Stephen Vance up in the Chapin area, who does all kinds of outdoor landscaping. Um he he does everything from irrigation to uh planting, um, you know, uh foundation plants, Bubba, if you if you need somebody to help you with that. Um around the house? Yeah, yeah, in the bed around the house of your of your house. And uh but but Steven can take care of all those needs, and so we really appreciate his support on the podcast and uh and he's also an avid outdoorsman, loves to bow hunt, has bow hunted a lot of turkeys, uh, which is as y'all know not very easy to do. Um but we're thankful for Southeastern Greenscapes and and Steven Vance up in Shapin.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Does does uh Steven does he do any uh control burns?

SPEAKER_00 11:11

He probably has has uh burned few a few things every now and then.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

He could help you out if you you know needed somebody.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Yeah, fire breaks and that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

And that and whatnot. Yeah, and everything.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Not aggressive burning.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

If you can burn, you might as well be aggressive. Uncontrolled burn? Uncontrolled. Uncontrolled generally get the job done a little faster. That's what that's my experience. Um but okay, Daniel, we uh might have jumped a gun a little bit, talking about Jenkins, but that was our connection. We're excited. But take a minute and tell our listeners about your family, the rest of your family, and what's what you're doing now, what keeps you busy about work, and then uh what else is yeah, of interest in just a couple minutes.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Yeah, so my family, um, starting with me, I'm work with CMMC, we're a machine shop in Sumter that specializes in emergency repairs and um even planned work for large industry, paper mills, power plants, that kind of thing. And um my wife Lisa leads the children's ministry at First Baptist, got a vibrant children's ministry. Um she's fantastic at it. They call her the children's whisperer. She's just got a talent for it, loves the kids and loves the Lord. And then uh our three boys. Jenkins is the oldest, he's 17, about to turn 18. We're looking at graduation for him right now, and uh Jenkins has become the master of this is my last whatever. Yes. So he's been able to take a whole lot of days off of school to do a whole lot of fun hunting and fishing school. Oh yeah, it's just my last one, Dad. So I told him not too long ago, I said, Well you're you're not dying, you're actually just graduating. You still you will still get to go hunting and fishing and all these things, but he's milking it for all it's worth. But um smart kid. Oh yeah. So it's amazing that I'm at the point where I've got one graduating.

SPEAKER_03 12:55

But then we've I didn't mean her up, but not only is he an avid outdoorsman and very good at it, but he's quite an accomplished golfer as well, as you bring that up.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

So maybe plan to play golf, is that he's going to play golf at USC Sumter, so he's gonna play there one or two years and then go to Clemson is his plan as it is. Fire ants, fire ants. So he um he's excited about getting to play golf every day in college and um looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

What's his handicap?

SPEAKER_02 13:24

So I don't know, I honestly would tell you, but I don't know. I know last week he was in the um he was in a big tournament that was hosted here by Sumter High, and he finished he he shot a 76-76. That's fair. Lawrence Man and did well as a team. And um then I've also got Caleb and Joshua who are twins, and they are thirteen, we'll be fourteen shortly.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Great names, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Absolutely. So they were premature children. We knew they were coming early, it was a very at-risk pregnancy. So when we were praying about it, the Lord led us to the passages in the Bible. We needed two warriors. And uh and he he gave us two very premature but healthy young men that have made it through and um just been a joy.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

They're playing some golf too?

SPEAKER_02 14:11

They don't play golf, they run, they run cross-country and they run track, they were playing soccer. Um they're into all kinds of things. You know, Caleb's into all kinds of athletics. Joshua likes to hunt and fish more so.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Um, if they're runners, Daniel, do you think they got that from Lisa? Because I mean I've been in some races with you. I know they must not have gotten it from the case.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

We will cover that. We need to we need to cover that. But I do that. I will say this. I have no idea where the genetic comes from to run, because it did not come from me. I I have never been a distance athlete of any sort. Now, Lisa's dad was a marathoner, so uh maybe he uh got it. But skipped the generation. Bacuda is a marathoner?

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Well well, I ran two halves, so that means I've run one. You're full. I'd add them together, both of you. I'm running two halves, so that makes a hole. So swims like a barracuda, runs like a cheetah. Oh, he does it all.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

He's incredible.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

I will say, I mean, uh don't let it the last one I ran ran in two hours and six minutes, which was pretty good. It was um just over a nine-minute mile for 13 miles.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

That is impressive. Very impressive.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Well, whenever I do any of those kind of event runs or any kind of a you know race kind of thing like that, my goal, I don't ever set time goals. My goal is to beat the guy who picks up the cones, you know. They still give you the t-shirt. So just get her done, get her finished, get a t-shirt, get out of there.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

I appreciate your humility because you kind of came at Daniel a little bit just then. I was like, you know, our listeners don't know yet, but Daniel's got a lot of stories on you, and it'd probably be wise for you to tread lightly.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

He does have a lot of stories, but there's there's one story where it's you know, it goes my way. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

I mean, we got it, we got some good cornerstone stories.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

We need to head that way.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

But I will say, I don't know if you heard the last episode where when you were mentioned, but it did you do have some history out of Dinkins Mill, I think. I think Steven said you were claimed I was the top second place champion. I mean, I think something like I can't remember exactly how you heard that.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

If you ain't first in the charter member division, you're last. That's all I can tell you.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

So Charter Member Division.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

For those that don't know, I mean, I love tournament fishing. Bubba loves tournament fishing. There is no tournament I enjoy more than the Dink's Mill Plastic because there are bigger tournaments, there are more publicized tournaments. There's tournaments for big money, but there is no other tournament where three or four months before the tournament, I step out of a business meeting and I've missed 78 text from the Dinkins Mill Classic text string of talking trash back and forth.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

But speaking of which, for the 2026 version of the Dinkinsmill Classic as the czar of the classic.

SPEAKER_03 16:49

We're starting to plan it, and so we'll probably have it about October. I mean, that's right. October, August, something. We'll make sure it's good and hot.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Well, what we're waiting on is young Thomas, the uh current and reigning champion of the Denginsville Classic.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

Not the charter member, not the charter member of the charter for no reason.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

He's gonna have to be here to uh to defend his championship. I'm not sure that's necessary. And uh and so as soon as he gets home from Clemson, uh where he's been led astray for you know the last several months.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

They're pulling udders. Yeah, get down here. Pulling others, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Yeah. And uh so we're gonna get that on the books sometime late May. I'm ready. It's gonna be special.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

I can't wait. Are we gonna do some extra things? We're gonna do like national anthems and fireworks.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Well, we we thought, you know, since last year we had the DNR show up and give a little uh prefish.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

You can't make this stuff up.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Uh we thought about maybe you know having them back out, possibly. Uh you never know. Right. I'll tell you one one quick story, Scott.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Well, Stephen has saved up enough money now to buy some more more um camera mounts for the boat. I felt all done.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

I literally felt terrible about that. I turned around and looked back, and the camera mount that he had planned and purchased for us and worked so hard on was somewhere in the bottom of Dingon's Mill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

We drained the pond this year and I went in there and looked for them, but I couldn't find them. I don't know where they were. But uh when we first started the Dengins Mill Classic, um, I took my time and I put together what I thought was a pretty unique trophy. I found an old Abu Garcia reel that had not been used in some time, and I thought, you know what, I might I might could use this, uh, but I would rather sacrifice it and put it on this trophy.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

The truth be known, the reason why it got put on there is because you couldn't use it. You're talking about the whole thumb thing?

SPEAKER_01 18:32

You know the whole uh bait caster. Listen, I'm not even gonna lower myself to your level right now. I made this beautiful trophy. I hang this. I hang this devil's horse, you know, this iconic lure or bait as Bubba would like to call it. Big Steve's still looking for that devil's horse by the way. I stole it from his tackle box. And uh anyway, Scott and Bubba, mainly Bubba, they win the first Ninkinsmo Classic, if I remember correctly. They take the trophy home and come back the next year. And it was the it was the piece of wood, and he did leave the devil's horse, but he stole the reel off the trophy to fish with it the next year.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

So I mean the record is important, Scott, and I give y'all credit. You you guys are in the lead. As I remember, it's like 10 to 9 or something of that nature.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

To one. 10 to 9 to 1. To one. Yeah. To one.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Or two. Big Steve did win it one time.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

The Rillington team. Team Rillington. Big Steve.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Big Steve Steve won it by himself. But that's how and Thomas won it, so it's one and one. Bubba wins them by himself, but Scott gets them. Not the wheel.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

It is a team effort. Yeah, ten to nine to one to one. But no, it is a it is a team effort. Scott is is he he points and tells where to go and everything.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Bubba told me it didn't know seriously. Bubba says, Stephen, it is a team effort because if Scott's not sitting in the back, the balance of the boat's a little bit funny and I lose it when I'm casting. Everybody's got a job.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

I know my role in the Diggers Mill Classic, and I I I would I would argue that I play that role pretty well, Bubba.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

He does very well. He is he is a comfortable time to the fish that we have caught.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

I'm a net man.

SPEAKER_03 20:05

I'm a good net man.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Uh-huh. Are you the limit getter or like the are you catching the kicker? I'm the limit getter. Okay. All right. You're going after the kicker.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

Sometimes. No, he's he's the man. I'm telling you right now. I'm just looking. You got to pick your partners wisely, and I picked the wise one, I'm telling you right now.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

I mean, I mean, SLD picked George Nolton, and we see where that got him.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Well, if it hadn't been lightning in Camden, we'd have fared better that day.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

So we had to go to the hills. It's not like a lightning.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

True story. It thunderstorms almost every year in the Dinkins Mill Classic, and we have one and then sometimes two members of the Dinkins Mill Classic that will not fish in a thunderstorm.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Yeah. You gotta just keep going. You gotta grit.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

We always plan it sometime around July, August when the thunderstorms are like terrible. We can't do it early. We plan it in May. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

And then we actually have it.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Well, we have to avoid every Thursday night because Bubba's got to go fish the thunder. So that's right. You know, between that and this Wednesday night choir rehearsal.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

There's only six, four days of the week that I can make, okay? So the but anyway, we didn't have one out here, I don't remember correctly, or whatever. Daniel somehow got hooked. He hooked himself and caught the biggest fish he caught. I had to perform medical procedure right out here and didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

What style was it?

SPEAKER_02 21:20

So that was in my right leg, and the fish put the fish in the boat, and the fish uh flopped like like a fish can do, and it slung a half-ounce rattle trap out of his mouth, and it buried, it was actually red-eyed shad with the bigger hooks. What color rattle trap was that? I'm now we're not gonna get into all that.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

You've already given more information than Bubba button.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm pretty much an open book on my fishing stuff. You had to be able to learn to love my man Bubba. Bubba is like the CIA on fishing. What is it?

SPEAKER_01 21:50

On steroids.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

I will give him full credit. That thing went deep in the meat of my leg, and I was in no way, shape, or form going to not fish the rest of the Dinkins Mill. Classic. So I had two options was to get this hook out.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Because you're committed.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

I'm committed. Yeah. I I'm not bailing. I mean, if I'm not losing a limb, I'm not bailing on that that tournament. I wanted to win. And uh it's buried all the way to the to the middle portion of a treble hook in the meat of my leg. And uh Bubba comes over and says, Well, I know a hook removal trick. Well, right then that was my best option because it was either fish with it all day, which was hurting pretty bad, or let Bubba try this magic that he learned from Clay Louder. And uh Steve Louder. Steve Louder talks. Steve Louder.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Okay, we'll talk about Steve here in a minute, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

That's right. Interesting segue, but yeah, Steve Louder. So so uh Bubba jumps in the boat and he pulls out a piece of braided fishing line and wraps it around this hook, and he tells me to hold on, put my thumb on the back of it and put pressure on it while he's uh while he pulls it out, and he does the one, two where you're waiting on three and he pulls it on two, you know, tricks into it. Yeah. And that hook popped out. Didn't hurt a bit.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

Bleed like you've been stabbed. Oh yeah, it didn't bleed. Alright, so Bubba can he can remove hooks. Uh-huh. He can gunsmith.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Uh he's he's turkey turkey was pretty good at turkeys. Um is there anything Bubba Johnson can't? I don't know. To me, it's pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

Mental attitude is what we had that day with.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

But Bob Rotella of fishing.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

But it didn't stop there. So I get the hook out. And shortly thereafter, I take Jenkins fishing in the swamp, and Jenkins gets a hook in the same part of his leg, and I have to use the Bubba hook removal trick on the Steve Louder hook removal. Steve Louder hook removal trick, and it worked like a champ. So we're we're too into this trick now, and it's been a lifesaver. So thank you.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

I'm many, many times into the trick. I actually got hooked, I was changing the hooks on a Zar's poop one day, and I was at the house, and my mother was the only person there, and I was like, you gotta come help me. Because you can't do it to yourself. You can't you can you got to have somebody to ought to make a tool now. It's pretty cool that you can do it yourself. But um anyway, I got my mother back then, and I got everything ready for her. I said, all right now, I'm telling you, when you pull the kids, you got to pull it. Like you gotta pull it like you gotta jerk it. There's no going back. And I'm like, you don't you don't ease into it. I was like, you got to pull the thing. And she jerked it out, but it works. It's amazing how well it works 99% of the time.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

And I think it's went on to beat you and de-hook you that day.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

No, no. I think they actually won the tournament that day.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

I think we won the tournament.

SPEAKER_03 24:24

But I think we probably it was actually probably we probably get a half credit for that one, I'm thinking at least. I think we should. I don't know about the half credit. I think 10.5 to 8.5 to 1 to 1.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

But there's so many moments to remember about the Dinkins Mill Classic. I mean, last year, I think the moment I remember was when Steven came up with the charter member division. He just nonchalantly mentioned in conversation that he won the charter.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Are y'all gonna sit here and act like it's a passive aggressive approach to how you get a trophy?

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Listen, I don't want to hear it. No, I do. Go ahead. Listen, sometimes, you know, when you're on top, everybody shoots for you. That's all I can say. In the words of Uncle Charles.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

Everybody's aiming for SLD.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Everybody's aiming for that's my Uncle Charles. I do. I do.

SPEAKER_03 25:09

So speaking of Steve Louder, did you did when y'all worked together, right? Did y'all ever have a Steve Louder story? We we did have a Steve Louder story.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

So Steve Louder, um, so when I was growing up out in the country on McCray's Mill Road, Steve's family, the Louders, farmed all the land around me. And Steve had before before I was even born, had become real close friends with my parents and would come down there all the time, fish in our pond and and hang out, and Steve was a nut. I I mean I can remember one Easter, I I don't even remember what the logic was behind this, but we woke up one Easter morning to go to church and he'd given us an Easter present, but instead of bunnies or Easter eggs, we had a family of goats tied on our front porch for Steve Lowry.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Now Steve is uh for the the millions listening around the world, yeah. Millions and millions. This is Clay's uncle, correct? Uncle Steve, yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

Yep. And uh Steve was a ch as you've heard in previous ep episodes, he was a tough joker. I mean, you didn't you didn't want to mess with Steve.

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Yeah, he was the one that went jumping across the opposite of boat. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

And yeah, for whoever was on the other end. So uh at one point, Steve had uh enlisted my help to help him find a piece of recreational property in a certain area of town. And Stephen had at the same time found a piece himself and put under contract. And I don't remember all the details of how this happened.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

They're not important.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Steve at some point came to the conclusion that that Stephen had jumped ahead of him on that piece of property that he really wanted. And he was coming to the office.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

And let me say this at at this point he was bow jumping at it. At this point, I don't know anything. I don't know of Steve Lyder, I don't know of the lore, I don't know of his reputation. I assume he's kin to Clay and to Milt, and and Daniel tells me he's coming back in a second time to talk. And I was like, great, okay. Continues.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

So he didn't know the lore, but me and Jay Davis, we knew all the lore, and uh we found it particularly humorous to um share all the lore of Steve and his exploits and uh people he knocked out with Steven.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Yeah, because SLD is a diplomat. Like he is he he is a compromiser, he's gonna find the best solution to the problem, and it's not gonna be coming to blows.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

If I can help it.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

But if you mean if we get to that though, we've already established that. What was the guy's name you wrestled? Yeah, like Bottle Slam?

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Jared Taylor.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

Yeah. I mean, Jared Taylor found out when the time to get it on.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Rocky plays three and a half seconds.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

When Rocky plays, this it's big time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Let's move on. Let's move on, kudos. Uh so Steve's on his way.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

So Steve's on his way, and we've really gotten Steven stirred up here. He he's nervous as the long-tailed cat in the room full of rocking chairs.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

First off, this is the first bull. Bull. I call bull on that.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Come on, give me your side, Steve.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

The way I remember it was I I kind of went into the meeting. I was really caught off guard. I did not know what was coming. I didn't know he was that he was coming in hot. Which is unlike you because you pretty you pretty much have a lay of the land. Pretty decent awareness of the situation. Situationally aware.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

We call that SA. SA.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Normally relatively high.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

This day it dipped just a little bit. You probably had lost your keys that morning. It's possible. I was like, wait for awareness.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

Like we've already established yours is high enough that you could have definitely been a fighter pilot. No if and the button.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Okay, so so he comes to the office. What happens, Daniel?

SPEAKER_02 28:43

So as I remember it, the two of them get together in the conference room.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

You were in there, weren't you? You were?

SPEAKER_02 28:49

I believe I was in there.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

So maybe okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:51

We we achieved a diplomatic solution at the end of the day. But it didn't come easy, right, Stephen?

SPEAKER_01 28:58

No, sir, it did not. He he was uh he genuinely felt wronged. He was not. I 1,000 million percent know that, but in his mind it had not gone the way he had wanted it to, and he was upset. And uh all of a sudden I realized that all those things that Daniel and Jay had been telling me were in fact true. He was quick to fight. He never met. Did you say his face got red? Red's not even the right color. See that cup right there? Yeah, that was bright, brighter cup. And he was he was kind of shaking, and I thought, he's about to come over that table on me. And I'm like, I hope Daniel can hear him hollering at me because you can come in here and peel him off.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

So we made it through. We made it through. The end of the day, diplomatic solution.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Um I told you he's good.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

He was very good at getting out of that one, but I don't know that I've ever seen him so nervous as that one. And Jay and I took the opportunity to use that for probably in the next 10 years or so as good fodder, good material for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

For the record, we're 20 years after that and you're still using it. So more than 20 years. 20 years. I mean, 20 years like this don't get it. How long ago? It was 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

So this is very important right now. I'm fixing to ask you a question. It's very important, okay. And if you're out there, Steven's doctor is out there listening to this. Does Steven have any kind of like post-nasal drip or anything? Like back then or whatever. Like I'm just curious. Like, we're just trying to kind of get a history on this.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

He doesn't even know how to use words correctly, and I'm letting him find it. Shut up. Sniffles.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

Easy. We're trying to get some history on your own. So if you're asking about his work attendance due to sniffles. Well, no, well, I mean, I'm sure he we know he's got a weak immune system, but I'm just like he's had these sinus issues that we we talked about on this podcast multiple times. I was just curious as like how far back it went. His doctor probably needs to know anything. I'm pretty sure it goes back that far, if that's what you're asking.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Sniffles, I don't think sniffles is going away. Daniel. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

One of the things we like to ask every guest on the Mostly Legal podcast is to tell us about your interactions with the game wardens. Have you ever been issued a citation for a game violation in South Carolina?

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Not Daniel Andrews. So I will tell you this. For a guy that is has tried to do the right thing, I've had an absurd amount of run-ins with different kinds of authorities. I know. Not always game wardens. But um and my kids all know most of these stories, so I I'm not putting anything out of the state.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

I appreciate the way that you said most of these stories. Most of these stories. Right, right. Because they're gonna listen to them. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Yeah, so I got I mean, I've got a f I've got a whole list of them that we could we can touch on, but it's starting from the top. All right.

unknown 31:39

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Well, if we want to start with game wardens, there's one in with the game wardens. I have had one citation from a game warden. That's not so bad. Pretty funny story. Um so growing up, I absolutely loved to fish. And I guess it it kind of skipped generation. My grandfather, my dad's dad, was the first person I ever knew how to bass master magazine, loved to fish. And um my dad is a hunter the Davy Crockett, born two hundred years too late, kind of guy. But he did not enjoy fishing as much as hunting. So most of the time we hunted. But um one thing we did do on occasion that I absolutely love was jug fishing. If you've never been jug fishing, you're taking a milk jug or whatever, and you're rigging lines to it, and if you're in the right area, I mean you just catch giants and you don't know what they are. It can be giant catfish, giant mudfish, giant garfish, and you see these things skiing across the water, and it's just exciting. You're chasing it with the boat and grabbing it, and you don't know if you have an alligator or what it is.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

Alright, so explain the jug setup real quick, because a lot of people out here have no idea when you said jug fishing what that means. All right.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

So a jug setup is pretty simple. Um you can use a heavy-duty jug like a Clorox bottle or something that's been, you know, cleaned out jug, and you tie a piece of heavy, 100-plus pound twine to it, and you're putting a big, usually a big salt water type hook on it that's tough.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Circle hook.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

Yeah, something like that. And um maybe a little weight to keep the bait down. And what we used to use, my dad was resourceful. We didn't we didn't buy the bait, we'd go get it from the Liberty Seafood, and we'd have the stinkinest five-gallon bucket of fish heads riding around you've ever seen. But so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

And he would ride around with that for a few days before he needed to use it, wouldn't he?

SPEAKER_02 33:22

All right, I got more stories on that.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Liberty Seafood named after Liberty Street, where it was located. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

Yep in Sumter.

SPEAKER_03 33:29

And so, and so, like, and three or four feet of line or whatever hanging down below the jug, and then the bait under that. Okay. And so you just throw them out in the water and let them float, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:38

And then you go back with a spotlight.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Well, we did it a lot of times in the daytime. You can't do it at night, but our favorite place to go on occasion, dad would take us to the bar pit behind the dam at Santi Cooper. And um, it's long, the Santi Cooper Dam, I think it's about seven miles long, so the borrow pit behind it, it doesn't go all the way, so probably five miles, I guess. I mean, it's long. And um, it's a long, straight stretch, perfect for jug fishing. And um if I had a place that you would be likely to see, like a dinosaur or something, that's where it's gonna be. There are just giant, there's a lot of trash fish, but everything in there is big. Huge fish in this place. And um through the years we caught huge catfish, mudfish, turtles, uh you can cook alligators in there, all kinds of stuff in there. Well, so I loved it, but we didn't get to go very often. Well, once a year we would go to the lake with all of my cousins, um, the Noonans, Buddy Noonan and Jimmy and Lisa and Laurie, all of us were cousins. We'd go to the lake. For that was our one vacation a year, we'd go to the lake. And um dad would come down and we'd bring a John boat and we'd one treat was to get to go jug fishing. So we did that for years. Well, one time he wasn't there, he was working or whatever, and wasn't able to go, and I was not yet able to drive. So I'm gonna guess I was fourteen-fifteen because Chad had come to the lake, my older brother, which y'all all know. I've got an awesome older brother, and he came and he um brought his buddies from college. So you can imagine I'm 14-15, and I've got my brother and all his older buddies from college down. That was pretty cool, you know, and uh they actually included me in this trip. So I couldn't drive, so all of them, we were all going jug fishing. So we went down there and we went jug fishing, and we were catching, we were having a good time, you know, two or three boats of us out there, and I keep seeing on top of the dam there's a road that nobody ever travels, but there's a road up there, and uh and there's been a couple game warden trucks come by and we're waving at them, you know, hey, how you doing? And uh we've had a great day. So it's towards the end of the day, it's the middle of the summer, it's hot. We decide let's pack it up, take it to the house, clean all these catfish. Well, we get to the boat ramp, and the game warden is parked sideways waiting, and that's never a good sign, you know. So the stomach drops, and I'm going, man, we all got they got fishing license. I'm too young, so I'm all these guys are in college and I'm um the youngest one by far. So he comes down and he he checks us out, and he at the end of the conversation he says, You fellas know this is illegal, and stomachs drop. I have no idea what's illegal. So my dad has always followed documented that's a big book. But we don't really read the book, okay?

SPEAKER_00 36:21

He never read the book.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

So far as we knew, we had always done it, so it must be legal, right? Does not quite work that way, evidently.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

But my dad told me this was pretty pretty much, that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

Dad told me it was fine, we've always done it with dad. Well, dad wasn't there, and the game warden was very gracious. He did not write seven or eight tickets that day, but he said, I'm gonna write one. I've already called it in, I'm gonna write a ticket. Well, at this point, all the college-age boys huddle up to discuss what we're gonna do here. And the first indication that things have gone awry is I'm not in the huddle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Yeah, that was bad.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Oh, yeah, yeah. So we the huddle breaks, and the decision is that Daniel's gonna get the ticket because he's the only one so young he doesn't have a fishing license yet. I don't know where that logic goes or comes from, but that was the logic. So that was my first ticket was jug fishing in the bar pit.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Yeah. Which was highly illegal.

SPEAKER_02 37:16

Evidently. Young renegade. Renegade.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

But you know, sometimes if you you weren't raised any better, you didn't know, you didn't know. Scott and I have been in that situation. I'm sure you have.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

I mean, Big Steve and my dad, I mean Well that was like them shot in the turkey store.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Like, how am I supposed to know that?

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Nobody ever told me to go with that.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

Oh my goodness. It could have been a true story, and it may not have been a true story. Mostly true. Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Oh my God. Oh goodness. Oh, Chuck. I will I really look forward to having Chad back so you have free the freedom to get into a whole lot more of Mr. Chuck's story. They take the fish or anything?

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Do you remember that? They did not take our fish. I don't think, you know, we probably had cooler full of mudfish and garfish and catfish and nothing they really wanted. They let us have it. Snapping it. Snapping turtle or whatever we could find. You know. Um they were very they were gracious in giving us, I think it was a $50 ticket as I remember it. But that was my first citation. But all the stories aren't citations in game wardens. I mean, there's a there's a long list. Um well another one.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

Now go to the next best one. Let's keep going. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

All right, so we get off the topic a little bit, but our first family beach vacation. Um we go to, we decide this is with Lisa's side of the family. So my in-laws, uh, Lisa's sister, her family, me and Lisa, and we had Jenkins at this point. So we he was young, like baby toddler age. I mean, still at the point where you're not sleeping at night and they're running everywhere and you're exhausted. But we decided to go on vacation, which is sometimes even more exhausting, you know. Yeah. And it was my first one, you know, you're figuring that out as you go. And we decide on they say topsail beach in North Carolina. Topsail, topsail, however you want to pronounce it. I don't remember how we decided, but we've got a house there and decided to go up, and we ride however many hours that is with our our infant slash toddler somewhere in there in the back seat and uh long trip. We get up there and a couple days in I'm I'm ready for a little peace and quiet. And I was in pretty good shape at that point of my life, and um I decided I'm gonna go for a swim. So I swim out there to get some exercise, and I've never I'm not a swimmer, I never did the triathlons with Steven. But I figured you got to swim out past the breakers to um to get some exercise and not be getting beat up. So I'm swimming and I get out and I turn parallel with the beach, and I'm swimming parallel with the beach out past the breakers, so I'm out there a long way. Would you say you look like a barracuda in the water? I I don't know if I'm barracuda status like you, but um you might put me up there with Sandy. I know Sandy was a swimmer lifeguard. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

Elite elite lifeguard.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

That's right. Elite. So I'm swimming and um getting my exercise in. I've been out there a while, and I catch something out my peripheral vision when my head turns on.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Not a dorsal fin.

SPEAKER_02 40:17

Not a dorsal fin. But I look up and it's a guy on a surfboard, and I'm way out there. So this is odd. So I look and he goes, Dude, are you okay? And I said, I kind of turn and That was a really good surfer. Yeah, are you okay? And he says, Oh man, your wife called the cops, and I've my stomach drops. So I don't want to do it, but I turn towards the beach and I kind of do my little dog paddle to get your head up where you can see over the waves, and I look at the beach, and it looks like something out of Baywatch. We got flashing lights, fire trucks, four-wheelers, binoculars. I mean, David Hasselhoff is up there with his red buoy, and all I can think when I sink back down is how far is it if I go the other way? Like, can I make it, can I make it all the way across? Because I'm not going there. So, oh my gosh. I finally I have to suck it up and go into shore, and you know, the whole rescue team is there. Um, I have to tell them I'm okay. My wife thinks that I have gotten caught in a riptide, and she swears to this day that there was a giant fin, dorsal fin, behind me. So I may be the only guest from most illegal that's almost been eaten by a great white while getting rescued.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

Positively. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Jenkins got a great tour of the fire truck with the fireman. That's one way to get it. They were they were very gracious and well, at least you know at that point she loves you.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

Yes. She called somebody to help.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

She did care. She wasn't trying to get insurance money. Yeah, she could have just stayed quiet. Like, there you go. Yes. So that was a that was a run-in with the authority when I was when I was not in trouble, so to speak. One one of the few. Wow. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Uh Daniel, you mentioned a story earlier that involved your dad and our time at Cornerstone. Uh, do would you like to lead into the the gift that he got for Jenkins and he called you about it, and you were at the office with me, and I got to go over and see the gift.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

Oh, yeah, yeah. We can that's that's a great story. I mean, you can't make this stuff up. When I get into Chuck Andrew's stories, y'all are gonna want to put me on a lie detector. But I'm glad that Bubba knows all about that. I'm t I'm telling you, it um you can't make up some of the stuff we've lived, and and it's been amazing. But that one. So I was sitting at the office one day, and um I get a call from my parents that um dad had something for Jenkins, and I think my mom had alluded to it was alligators. And um anyway, piqued my interest a little bit. So Jay and Stephen, and Stephen and I used to go to lunch and Hugh all the time. So they were like, Come on, we're going to lunch. And I said, Well, I can't. I'm gonna go to my parents. Huge. Oh, yeah, huge. We got some more huge stories with Stephen in it, too. But don't let me forget. Uh-huh. He knows where I'm headed. So, anyway. Oh, God. So Jay and Stephen know my dad really well, right? So they are on, I'm trying to keep this hidden at this point, I think. But um, when they hear that I'm not going with them to lunch, I'm going to my house for lunch, their ears peek up, perk up, and they go, Well, why are you going to your house for lunch? And I said, Well, Dad got some gingots. He got him a gift. What is it? What kind of gift? He said, Don't worry about it. I think it's alligator. And and at that point, there's no lunch for Jay and Stephen. We're all good. Oh, yeah, we're getting in the truck together. So out to McCray's Mill Road. We go to McCrae's Mill Road, and uh the reasons, how or why, I have no idea. But dad has come home from hog hunting and he has a tub full of alligators. I think he was trying to save them, relocate them, something, whatever he. You know, alligators when they're small, they're pretty thin, but they're long, so they're, you know, I don't know, twelve, eighteen. And they still bite alligators. Yes. And um, he's gotten them in there and they're in the living room. And mom and dad at this point, because we didn't have two nickels to rub together, we're caring for our ch kids a couple days a week, so we didn't have to put them in child care. And um so Jenkins is there enjoying his new pet alligators. And Jay and Stephen and I walk in and we sit down on the couch. And Jay and Stephen are just soaking it up.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

They're like, this is just I've never seen just live alligators just walk around a den.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

That's what they were doing. So when I say Jenkins was there, Jenkins was like he could stand whatever, but I don't think he could fully walk yet. That's right. He is a young, young child on the wrong.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

On the ground with the alligators sitting there in his diaper. Yeah. Yeah. So he stands something like that.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

Yeah, something like that. So Jenkins stands up by this tub that he brought him home with, and dad thinks it's a great idea. I mean, like any grandfather would do, to give him one of them. Right. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you hand it to the 18-month-old or 16-month-old child? So Jenkins grabs it and he's holding it, and they're eye to eye. So he's holding this alligator, looking at him in the face, and oh, so cute, you know, he's looking at the alligator. Well, I don't know what possessed Jenkins at this point, but he opens as big as he can and he takes a giant bite of alligator and he puts as much of that alligator head in his mouth as he can get and bites down on it. And at this point, it's like the whole world's moving in slow motion. Everybody's like, so we can't get to it quick enough for and and I've the first thought crossed my mind is Lisa's gonna find out about this. So I'm thinking, Jay and Steven are here. There's no way I'm keeping this a secret. And uh so I snatched the alligator out of his mouth, and uh, this is the end of playing with the alligators at this point.

SPEAKER_03 46:04

Jenkins was establishing dominance at that point. He wasn't alligator knows exactly who the daddy was.

SPEAKER_02 46:09

I guess he was. Steven came back from uh from Africa and he told Jenkins, he was like, you know, only guy I noticed had alligator eyeballs on the roof of your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

This is true. This is true. And I've seen a lot of people, that's a good way to put it. My favorite part is uh Daniel screams, Daniel's mama screams, Jay and I were like, whoa, everybody screams, and when the dust settles, Mr. Chuck's just in his chair, like, what?

SPEAKER_02 46:35

You'll notice this theme in a lot of uh Chuck's stories. I don't understand. He's completely normal. Like I don't know what's abnormal about it. What's the problem?

SPEAKER_01 46:42

Why is everybody screaming?

SPEAKER_02 46:43

So Lisa's teaching school, right? And she gets out of school shortly after this, and I'm thinking, she's gonna find out, right? So I I'm I'm gonna go ahead and bite a bullet here and tell her. So I explain to her as in best terms I can with our first child, you know, you're more protective of the first one. And I'm talking to her about it, and I tell her the story, and she starts panicking, and she's like, He got bit by an alligator. I said, No, no, no, no, he he no, he bit the alligator. Alligators bit him. Yeah, yeah. He bit alligator. So we're trying to get this story straight. And it's you just can't make this stuff up, I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

Uh you can't. You cannot. You cannot at all. Oh, Mr. Chuck, we'll get I can't wait to tell some more, hear some more about him when we do get your brother on. But uh, I know you're itching to tell a cornerstone story or two. So uh we're we're we're kind of wrapping towards the end of what will be an episode, uh, and it's been awesome. Uh, but we'll we'll we'll try to find some time to keep going. But for now, uh is there a cornerstone story that you want to left that you don't want to leave untold? Can I ask one real quick?

SPEAKER_03 47:45

And you real quick, I don't know whether this will work or not. I don't because you may have been there, you may not. I think this was on a cornerstone trip. Were you there when Steven and Sarah rode the slingshot?

SPEAKER_02 47:53

Yes, I was on the trip. I was not on the slingshot, thank goodness, but I was on the trip.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

That was an experience.

SPEAKER_02 48:01

Tell us about it, Stephen.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

So uh we're we're in Orlando for uh for a can a real estate convention for Coldwell Banker commercial, and we took our wives down there and we're having a big time, and we're we're riding down interstate, and you see one of those I I don't know if our listeners will remember, but they used to have these slingshots, and it looks like a great big arch, like the arch in St. Louis, and hanging from the middle of it are these cables that they would pull down just one little cart that had two seats in it, and I guess it was bungee cords, they pull it down and they let go, and you go shooting up in the sky, and it's like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of feet tall, and that you go up way up in there into the dark past the lights. And uh so anyway, we're we we see that thing lit up in all these neon lights, like you know, when from afar away on the interstate. And um Jay's like, I'll tell you what we should do. We should go get Stephen and Sarah to go in that thing. And you know, we got things to do, we're not really going over there. So I said, Don't think I wouldn't do that. I had a lot of people. He says that a lot, yeah. I'm not I'm not afraid to do that. And and Jay said something like, You might not be afraid, but I bet Sarah wouldn't get in there with you. And Sarah had been married to me for too long at that point, and I had rubbed off on her. She goes, Jay, if you think I'm scared, you are wrong. And Jay like took the very next and turned around and we paid straight before that thing. And we we went up there and uh Jay got up there and he paid for it, and we didn't know it at the time, but he also paid for the video. So we didn't know we were being videoed and that there would be evidence of this later. But he gets us in there, and so we go and we get locked up. And you might have seen people doing these pranks now on YouTube or Reels, but uh There were no reels at the time. This is before Reels, so I didn't have any idea. This this idea of a prank never crossed my mind. But Jay slipped the operator like an extra $20 and told him to go over there and tell Sarah that her seatbelt wasn't working to hold on for a second. He had to fix some stuff before he let us go. And so he comes over and tells us that, and Sarah starts having a panic attack while we're strapped in this thing. Those bungee cords are pulled tight. We're looking up in the sky into the dark, and uh the guy that looks like a carney is working on her seat belt, and then all of a sudden he pulls the trigger and we go up, and Sarah says some things that Sarah doesn't often say.

SPEAKER_04 50:32

And it was bad. That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 50:41

We had so much fun, but that group was so much fun and uh hyper competitive. Everything we did was a competition.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Jay Davis, if you're out there, we might need to get our hands on that video.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

Jay would be a great guest. We could get some stories out of him, but um there was another cornerstone story in in uh keeping with the keeping with the competitive nature. Everything was competition. And Steven, just like in this, he'd jump into a lot of them. Right. Well, one day we're out of character for him. Out of character. I mean he's got a little pony in him too, pony. So so he uh we're in uh our conference room having our weekly meeting where we summarize what we're doing, and and huge Hugh Jackson is in there with us. And I can't remember how we got on the topic, but Hugh was talking about how I think when they were in school you had to do this many push-ups and this many sit-ups and and run this mile and how many he did, and he was pretty good at it. And um Hugh is what, 10 or 15 years older than you?

SPEAKER_01 51:41

Uh I would say at least 10. I mean I'm 50. Do you think I think he's probably 62 or about 15 years older than you? So maybe 65. So 15 years older.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

So anyway, Steven pipes up, well, I'll I do more push-ups than you. And at this point, it's it's on. All right, so we we got debut so.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

I'm not sure I could have done five push-ups.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

I mean, Jay and Stephen and Steven and I are are stoking the fire. So I mean we we are all over this.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

Nobody's challenging Daniel to a push-up conference.

SPEAKER_01 52:13

There are some things I wouldn't do.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

I can do that right now. I bet you can't do more pushups than Daniel. I bet you're right.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

I bet. All right, so but he does bet Hugh. So at this point, I mean, we're casting our lots here. We're we're coming up with who's got what.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Anybody bet on Steven?

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Steven bet on Steven. Sarah. Sarah bet on Steven. Steven bet on Steven. But I looked at Hugh, and Hugh had a confidence that I didn't often see out of Hugh in this man, I said, all right, my lunch bet's on Hugh Jackson. I got I got Hugh in this one.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

I didn't think he'd know he was a marine.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

So Steven gets to go. Steven's younger. Steven. Steven's younger.

SPEAKER_03 52:56

Oh Stewajima.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

So Steven's younger, Stephen goes first, right? Only fitting. So Steven goes first, and I'm gonna give Steven a little credit here. He did a lot more than I thought he would. I don't remember the number, but it was pretty much very gracious.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

Very gracious. You don't remember the number.

SPEAKER_02 53:12

He cranked out. It could have been at least 10, right? It was more than 10. It was more than 10. Definitely more than 10. And I'm going, I'm feeling I was worried a little bit about my bitch at this point. I might have to buy lunch. All right. Y'all, Hugh Jackson hit the floor, and somewhere in Sumner County right now, Hugh Jackson is still doing push-ups. I'm talking about the man did not stop doing push-ups until we were tired of watching.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

Let's just say, let's just say that I cranked out 17. Let's just say 17. When he got to 17, he was still starting to go faster and faster and faster.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

Did he do 17 more armed and then he was? Seriously.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

He was doing five battles. Was it just push-ups or was there other things? And no, I mean after I saw him crank out like a hundred push-ups, I was like, but no.

SPEAKER_02 53:59

I'm pretty confident that Steven could have sat on Hughes' back and he just still won the contest.

unknown 54:04

It was bad.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Old man's strength. It was serious old man's strength. I don't know. I'm old, but I don't have to.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

Was he really a Marine? I'm not sure. No, I don't think so. I mean, he might have been. I don't know. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 54:17

But he did do put those flight one. I'm not kidding. Kudos to you, Huge. You did a great job that morning. For sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

Oh man. Got to be a good one to end on, right there, Doug.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

Yeah, no, that's a good one. Daniel, we thank you for coming on the podcast. We thank you for coming to share these stories. I know there's a lot more, and uh we want to find a way to get you back on here. Um, but we're excited. We're looking forward to some more episodes. We got some great guests lined up in the future that we're excited about having on here. So I want you guys out there in the mostly legal land to keep listening, keep sharing with your friends, and keep encouraging others to listen. We really appreciate it. We're gonna pass it off to Scott here in a little bit to do a word section, and we look forward to seeing you and being with you next Monday for another mostly legal Monday. Thank you, Dan.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

Thank you, thank you guys. Fun to be here.

SPEAKER_00 55:28

And the Proverbs are great. I've done some word segments before from Proverbs. The thing I love about the Proverbs is when you read them, it's stuff that you've kind of always heard. A lot of it's stuff maybe you heard your grandparents say, or uh your dad passed down little you know, quips of wisdom. And this one is probably common knowledge, but it's a good reminder, and I'm gonna read verse 20 and talk about it just for a minute. Uh, whoever walks with the wise, verse 20 says, becomes wise. But the companion of fools will suffer harm. My grandmother used to say, when you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. And there's a lot of verses in scripture that deal with this understanding, this wisdom of association and who you hang around and um and how they behave affects you. Uh, even if you don't know it, eventually when you walk with the wise, you will grow wise, and the opposite's also true. Uh a companion of fool suffers harm. And so my encouragement is for you to consider who you are spending the most time with, especially you younger guys out there who um who enjoy mostly legal, uh learn to make friends with young men who are gonna lead you toward wisdom, push you toward uh the things that are right and good and true. And I know we joke a lot about mostly legal and the law and game wardens and whatnot, um, but you don't you can't afford to be around a guy that's gonna constantly lead you down a law-breaking path. And so um, so I hope you have a great week. I hope you think about this proverb some and rearrange your priorities friendship-wise, so that those that you're spending the most time with are gonna influence you with wisdom and not with folly. They're gonna encourage you and uh propel you on toward righteousness and good things, and they're not gonna drag you down. Um, the same is true about girls uh and guys, when it comes to relationships, you want to date people, you want to marry people that are going to lift you up, make you better, not the other way around. So have a great week. We'll talk to you soon, and uh don't forget to spend some time thinking about uh your friends and your associations.