Reboot Required: The Minds Behind WinternetWeb

After hours fighting a hacker, Jason’s back — and Melanie’s plugging his brain back online just in time for the mic. 

Two brains. One business.

Meet Dr. Jay, the creative who paints websites with precision and personality… and Mr. Winternet, the tech mind who speaks fluent command line. Together, they’re the two brains behind WinternetWeb — one designing the experience, the other defending it — only on Wired Together. 

🎧 Wired Together is produced by WinternetWeb Technologies, a family-run web design and tech studio based in Bracey, Virginia.
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Transcript

Melanie 0:04

All right, welcome again to Winternet Web's Wired Together with your host Melanie Winter and Jason Winter. And today, as part of our spooky series for October, we are going to talk about the brain. Spooky. So, uh, the brain, ha ha ha. It's alive. Taking off of uh, say, old novels, uh, we are talking, uh, kind of relating things to say the Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde concept of two parts of a brain. And so it does take two parts of a brain to function through and and navigate through Internet Web Techies, neither of which uh means my brain.

Jason 0:57

Oh, come on now.

Melanie 0:58

We are talking two parts of Jason's brain. So Jason is the the the brain behind the whole thing. I would call myself the the ground wire, if you will.

Jason 1:11

Ground wire, I like return to it.

Melanie 1:12

To the uh electrical circuitry that is Jason's brain.

Jason 1:17

Yeah, because the ground wire makes sense without that, yeah. Then it shorts. And yeah, you see me look like that.

Melanie 1:23

Yeah.

Jason 1:24

Sometimes daily.

Melanie 1:26

Just a a bit of honesty here. It's um his brain is shorted today.

Jason 1:31

Pretty much Yeah, this might feel it's unscripted or whatever is our first episode, but so I am going to uh treat it as almost like an interview. Right.

Melanie 1:48

This regular every day.

Jason 1:49

Hopefully, half shows up for each.

Melanie 1:52

Right. Um so in the navigation of say the forest of hex codes and era messaging.

Jason 2:00

Oh wow.

Melanie 2:00

Uh I would be like the the GPS. I'm trying to kind of pull you through the woods here.

Jason 2:08

Definitely.

Melanie 2:09

And and help a lot with that. You know all of the ins and outs of the woods itself. So as the the two parts of the brain, we're we're really talking about uh two aspects of Winternet Web. We do um web content, web design, um, which is fun and creative.

Jason 2:28

Certainly the more creative, right? Um you need to be in the right mindset for that.

Melanie 2:32

Now, I mean there are less fun parts like dealing with security, servers, things like that. But as far as like you know, the build process, you are being extremely creative.

Jason 2:42

Sure.

Melanie 2:42

Uh so that that is the creative brain, is tickling that one part. And then um, and then you have computer repair or um computer repair.

Jason 2:53

Um dealing with hacker something being common. Things like that. That's really taxing.

Melanie 3:01

That that can be extremely taxing on the brain, and that is um pretty much more like your your Mr. Hyde, your bestial version. So, you know, it I've actually literally heard seen him uh listen to the the computer. There's there's this like sound that he's listening for.

Jason 3:22

It's gosh, it's without it sounding too crazy, it is like a frequency that I pick up on with the computer. It seems very horroristic that you know when a computer is struggling.

Melanie 3:38

Like one can literally hear it.

Jason 3:40

It's um yeah, it's almost like I mean the pattern of the hard drive and what it's doing and everything, and just like the the rhythm. You I guess it's one of those situations when you've been doing something for this long, you're picking up on things that end up being a pattern to which that you use to resolve it, but you can't quite explain what it was, you know. It's just whatever that is, and you I don't know.

Melanie 4:08

So it feels off. Well, yeah, yeah, and it's just sometimes it's almost like you can say why it feels off once you dug in.

Jason 4:21

Computers become their own category of concern or whatever, and whatever they're struggling with, and sometimes I guess you pick up on that pattern. It's like their characters are and it's like, yep, I heard this before. Okay, here's probably how I need to attack this first, and then you just move forward. I don't know. It's kind of crazy. But yeah.

Melanie 4:43

But I mean that's just one side of it, and that's kind of how And that's like the like the B-steal version, the the command lines you've got to kind of tap into a bit of uh there's the whole different form of charter attack.

Jason 4:57

It's uh and and it and it's hard, you know, when you're in when you're in a creative mode, you're feeling a lot different. And it's just like it's like energy, it's abstract, it's coming from afar, it's coming and it's an excitable energy. When you're trying to mitigate a problem or resolve that, you you really fall more into a logical side of your brain, and the only way to really become effective at either is sometimes is to cut the other one off.

Melanie 5:28

Right.

Jason 5:29

And go full force.

Melanie 5:30

Which is the again the two brains. So they don't totally interact.

Jason 5:35

Which is why it it's not effective if it does.

Melanie 5:39

Which is why Winter Netweb had to come up with specific days for things that are computer repair oriented. Right. Because going um and like we've definitely experienced this particular week, is um there were certain computer repair issues that just had to be gone ahead and taken care of.

Jason 6:00

Right. I mean, you do have things that need you I need to jump on that right now before.

Melanie 6:05

There was no way of waiting for our specific day. We had to go ahead and get it done.

Jason 6:10

Definitely.

Melanie 6:11

Um and any any hackers out there listening, um we're coming for you. We're so done.

Jason 6:17

There's a special place in Halloween for you, I'll tell you.

Melanie 6:21

Um the the fact that these people are willing to attack the these um vulnerable societies, more vulnerable, uh, usually more elderly society. Um, we're gonna take you out one by one, by the way. Yeah, it's and that is not nice, not okay, and we won't stand for it.

Jason 6:44

Yeah.

Melanie 6:45

Um, so yes, we have had some some had to be moments this week.

Jason 6:51

I guess what you're getting at there is while we've had to schedule it normally for a particular day of the week, normally on Thursdays we try to schedule all of that so that we can focus on that because it's hard to dance from one to the other. And if you you know every day you're trying to mitigate something, you can never get back into that creative mode of the web design portion, which is a large part of what we do. Right. And the majority, really.

Melanie 7:19

Um the the web design part is um certainly something where we want to be ready with. We want to make sure we're doing it um in in a way that's it's it's a broad concept of of understanding navigation, understanding SEO, um you know, how we're gonna build this for um layout concerns, right? Google friendly, things like that. So we want to make sure that all of the pieces are in play, which still gets to be part of the creative brain.

Jason 7:51

Yeah.

Melanie 7:51

Um, but knowing all of this in the background while you're creating, so that it's not just um, you know, creating willy-nilly. It's creating in such a way that we know this is gonna be something that really bumps up and and shows off.

Jason 8:07

Because it's yeah, it's never like a template. Oh, give me content, I'll plug it in. I've seen so many um quotes from web designers that people have dealt with, and I'm like, I don't even know how they're in business. Because it's beyond that. You you need to have the vision um not just from a you know, you want the website to look good, you want to look good on mobile and all of that, and making sure you're paying close attention to a lot of these particulars, but vision in a sense of you know, like what are you forefronting? How are you presenting your client in a way that looks professional?

Melanie 8:44

What do we want the user to see first? How do we want the user to navigate back to where they need to be?

Jason 8:49

Exactly. And the navigation is very important, and you want to leave a good impression. This is this is you know, you want the person to feel impressed and feel comfortable.

Melanie 8:57

And you want the user to feel uh unfrustrated and and stay and have a friendly experience on the site. So that's um that's all part of our thought process when it goes to creating the the design.

Jason 9:12

Right.

Melanie 9:13

And so that that does that takes a lot of brain power. That is a very um important part of what we do.

Jason 9:21

Yeah, definitely.

Melanie 9:22

Because it is um, and and people trust us with you know something very important to them, which is their It's a reputation, it's a their face out on the web, you know, so everyone to can see. So that's that's a lot of trust, and we want to make sure that that trust is you know thoughtful.

Jason 9:38

And I mean, it's and it turns in them and be like, okay, so what do you want it to look like? What what do you have and all that? If we kind of lift it up to that, then what are we adding as a service? I mean, yes, it could piece it together, and yes, there are technical aspects, but from a creative design aspect, you know, I've always said, you know, talking to clients, it's like you know your business, and of course I know mine. So it's a matter of I can't expect them to tell me exactly what they want. I mean, that that really sometimes it might happen where it's like, look, I have some experience with this, I don't have time for it, but I know I haven't kept up with it in 15 years, so they can kind of talk a little bit of web, but then they're surprised over how much it's changed too, especially with the mobile front.

Melanie 10:28

True.

Jason 10:29

Yeah.

Melanie 10:30

Responsive is is important.

Jason 10:32

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Melanie 10:33

Um so how do you prepare yourself um for the creative mindset? How do you go into it in in you know that part of the the brain? What do you think works?

Jason 10:48

Prayer always works. Um that would be both. Yeah, right. And it doesn't matter. One versus the other.

Melanie 10:56

We're doing a dualism thing here.

Jason 10:58

Right, exactly. But it it's a it's a feeling of I guess the best thing, you know, when you look at clouds and you kind of see, you know, you make shapes out of it, and you see, oh, that's a person, you know, doing this, or that's a an animal over there. And you it's like looking out into what would be nothing otherwise seeing the experience, almost like visualizing the site, you know, in action with all the elements there, and you're just kind of picturing that. And sometimes, you know, the colors kind of come to you, some of the uh uh animations, but not you know, to a like distractive but point, but where you kind of see um to what end you want motion to happen as part of the experience. And I mean we've right now we I mean we have over a hundred active sites, so over the course of our 18 years, we've probably created 250 websites. Some have been redesigned and some have come and gone, but not one looks the same. So you're trying to feel that experience. It's like if now that I've spoken to the client, I know their business.

Melanie 12:22

I'm building as I speak, I'm sure you are too.

Jason 12:25

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and it's like in fact I know you are, but yeah. Right, right, because we've been there, we've had a conversation. There'll be times we'll be with a client and we're getting information, and I'm like, ah, so I kind of talked myself, not quite like Rain Man, but maybe a little bit. And it's like, ah, yeah, I can kind of see this sort of the and Melanie's like, I got them ahead. I'm like, cool, you see something? Good. Let's go with that. Remember that, I'll come back to you. So yeah, you you kind of just develop, and again, it's a kind of an aura in a way.

Melanie 12:52

Sometimes we agree, sometimes it's like we had slightly different visions.

Jason 12:55

It's like, ooh, I like that. Okay, cool. But real quick, then we kind of put those together. And it's like perfect. And it's like, ah, and you know, so but it's excitable, it which is a different mindset. It I don't mean to say that the the creative aspect of web design is positive and computer repair is negative, but there the emotion is different, and there is emotion in both. And emotion creates passion. Emotion is helpful as long as it is working toward your goal and not getting in the way. Um, the emotion behind dealing with a hacker and all that.

Melanie 13:27

A little negative emotion, I would imagine.

Jason 13:29

Yeah, it's a very, very negative because you, I mean, you you're trying to go in and orchestrate the attack that they have, you know, and the steps that they have taken and the the where they've hidden files and done things as a way of to rebuild themselves. So it's kind of like war. And when when that happens, you end up with just aura. Now, you can't five minutes later step over, let me start working on this website, you know, and all of that. So it's kind of like um it's very difficult to kind of make that flip and everything.

Melanie 14:11

So and so how well you kind of went into how you prepare for days that uh need to be focused a little more into dealing with a hacker or um you know going through some computer scans and things like that.

Jason 14:32

I mean, it's you do need to give yourself time to get into that mindset, which I again is the whole reason why we split certain things because um I mean there's really no magic trick, but you do kind of have to put yourself, I guess, into where you are in dealing with whatever that is. So it does take a process of visualizing and feeling yourself there before you're there, so that when you are there, you're able to execute and focus and be in the zone.

Melanie 15:10

Right.

Jason 15:11

So it really does kind of come down to getting in the zone of whatever that is.

Melanie 15:15

Unfortunately, no magical elixir that kind of helps you break into one side of the brain versus the other.

Jason 15:22

No. Uh-uh. Um, I mean coffee, that's really helpful. There are there are days that, you know, it let's say, has it been recent? But there have been days where it's like, all right, what we're gonna do today, and you kind of base it off the feeling. It's like, well, I'm feeling creative, let's go that route, versus, you know, alright, well, let's uh figure out this logistical problem with this technology and the software and how we can tweak it and make it work better and all, you know, it it does sometimes you're lending one way or the other, and it's just a matter of getting yourself there. And um, easier to prepare for if you already know.

Melanie 15:59

Right. Yes, this is the day I'm going to do again be more focused on on command code. Right. Versus this is the day I'm focusing in on on you know trying to build something.

Jason 16:12

Exactly. I mean, a lot of industries have this. I mean, you know, if you you're you're going in to do something of a particular nature, uh, you know, sensitive nature or something very emotional, you have to kind of get your brain there and you have to come home from that. Um it even like in sports, you have to hype yourself up for the game. So, I mean, very um commonly, you know, you have these ritualistic things you try to do to get yourself there. So um I guess it's no different. And I guess I didn't realize that was the case until trying to juggle these two um as frequently. I mean, I've I've done both for quite some time, but not to this level in frequency, you know.

Melanie 16:53

Right. So one thing I know about being the grounding wire is um collaboration is extremely important when we go into the creative world in the world.

Jason 17:08

Yeah, exactly.

Melanie 17:09

And uh computer repair is a little more like uh step a bit away. You know, make sure that you know it's not too overcumbersome with anything else, which um was not the possibility today, because um we wanted to go ahead and run the podcast and and as you were in computer repair brain and and definitely overcumbered. So it was kind of a okay, we're gonna just kind of um you know zap you till you wake back up.

Jason 17:48

Exactly. Yeah, I mean, especially with a podcast, you I mean, it is there's a creative element because you are talking about something, you're having to recall, you're interacting with an audience, if you will. So it kind of becomes when you're encumbered by something technological, sometimes it's hard to step away from that to find the ability to have a conversation. And when it comes to our business, a lot of what we do is service. And yes, you're dealing with computers, you're dealing with websites, but you're dealing with people.

Melanie 18:27

Oh yes.

Jason 18:29

But when it comes to the technological part of it, the intricacies of the ones and zeros, the um just uh the the tweaks that are necessary on a programming level for a website, the way in which you're trying to navigate and determine how something was hacked and how to mitigate that, that isn't dealing with the person. That's dealing with something very structural. So that balance of it is difficult. So yeah, I mean, and coming back at office and it's like been dealing with this. I mean, it was kind of like, all right, well, we gotta get you there, because you know, uh, and you know, people calling left and right, which, you know, thankfully, I am so glad they entrust us with their needs and all that, and it's just a matter of scheduling them and um all of that. But getting from that, I guess the what was it? What we had like do we have terminology for the the um Dr. Whatever versus you know, it's the Dr. Jack on Mr. Hyde, but what wasn't there something funny?

Melanie 19:39

Oh yes, Dr. J versus Mr. Winternet.

Jason 19:42

Dr. J versus Mr. Winternet, yeah.

Melanie 19:44

So I'm loving it by the way. Yeah, that's hilarious. I think it's great.

Jason 19:47

Yeah, Mr. Winternet is yeah, that's kind of creative versus that's when you're like, yep, I'm here ready to work on the website. Dr. J, I guess, would be the more um Yeah, it's almost in reverse. It is in reverse, you're right. Because Dr.

Melanie 19:59

But I would almost pick it that way though, even though um Dr. Jekyll is, of course, the characteristically the characteristically the intellectual.

Jason 20:08

Right.

Melanie 20:08

That is the the intellectual man that is um and then Dr. Hyde, I mean Mr. Hyde becomes the bestial version of himself.

Jason 20:15

Right.

Melanie 20:16

So um this would almost be a reverse with the Dr. J is the the computer doctor, the diagnostician, the one that's listening to the the frequencies of things out of the yeah. Nuances of no way of hearing, by the way. And then Mr. Winternet is uh da da da. Right.

Jason 20:36

That's right.

Melanie 20:37

Um we're gonna solve all your problems and get your get the face of your company out there and and um show you off to the world.

Jason 20:46

Right, right. No, that's that's funny though. Yeah, I did really like that. It's funny being October.

Melanie 20:53

Every once in a while you gotta ask a guy some some creative questions and then he comes up with something cool.

Jason 20:58

Right. That's funny. And being October, like I said, I like the motif of the um, you know, it's almost like the Frankenstein, a Frankenstein monster. It's so long. At least that's what it feels like sometimes.

Melanie 21:10

Yeah, which is uh sometimes I feel like Dr. Frankenstein, because it's like that poking and prodding of right, it's like move.

Jason 21:20

Right.

Melanie 21:21

Okay, I can get you there.

Jason 21:22

Okay, that's all right.

Melanie 21:23

We're almost a person again. Right. Oh, oh look at that. We're we're really close. It's like, oh, there you are.

Jason 21:30

No, I mean it's it's certainly interesting that the challenges of going back and forth. Um but yeah, I mean, it's you're talking about like what gets you one way or the other, and I will say it still comes down to trying to visualize yourself there, and it does take prep, but it does take prep to come back. Um, I mean, but there are times where it's like you got no choice but to pivot. I mean, I mean, we've had situations like trying to work on something, and then like someone comes in, it's like, oh, okay, we need to talk to our client about a website, and you just have to make that switch like immediately. Oh, yes. And I I'm also very fortunate that you are my grounding wire. That and not only that, but kind of like the status check, kind of like the temperature check, the it's like, okay, so now we need you here, you know, it's gonna, you know. Um, but I mean, and you know a lot of both sides and what it requires, um, to the point you understand, you know, okay, so you're dealing with this and here, have you thought about this? And you you do help on on both sides of that realm. I understand enough. Questioning pride. Is this anything like what you dealt with a month ago with this? And it's like, yeah, actually, it kind of is. Well, let me look at it that way. So and then I explore that too. So, um, yeah, I mean, it's like you you got you gotta know your dog. And I know I said that, and I am the dog, I guess. But you know, in in that sense, I think. You gotta know your ghost. I ain't afraid of no ghost.

Melanie 23:18

I ain't afraid of no ghost, right?

Jason 23:23

Yeah, we did have that written down somewhere. Yeah. It's just all on the experiences we have and everything. It's just it it it's funny, and I don't know. I mean, it I'm sure I can think of some industries, but you for a small business out there, um Yeah, I was about to you have to thank you for reminding me of my question. It's not question, but I'm glad I did without it, you know.

Melanie 23:48

Um but you know, it it this is a big difference with uh which w you know wired together is is uh focused a lot more on small business. Right. Um you were talking at one point with larger business, you know, what a lot of them um deal with, but there is a particular part.

Jason 24:06

It's a specialization.

Melanie 24:07

So everything is typically more specialized, and so your brain is in that function more often. Right. Whereas small business, and this is all small business, everybody I've ever met small business. We know you know quite a few um in our area and other areas, um, where small business, you're doing all of it. It's yes full. I mean, you you've got payroll, you've got you know, um the creative parts, you've got the the scrubbing of the toilet, you know, you you're doing all the parts. And so your brain is trying to function through all the pieces.

Jason 24:39

Right.

Melanie 24:40

And so um that is you know, one of the growing pains that we're dealing with with Renanet Web is all of those pieces and and how to and and the the physical part is easy. Uh you're quite a bit while vacuuming. But so that was the easy part, in all honesty, with um but trying to uh navigate through the brain's function of each part and having to bounce around. And so that's the the need to, you know, okay, let's not overbounce to the point where we lose too much on either side.

Jason 25:17

Yes.

Melanie 25:18

So let's let's make sure that we can focus too thin from each on something that is going to be uh very heavily um Dr. J. Yeah, very you know, um dealing with the the pop-up ads of of the era messages that make no sense to everyone else. Um and then you know, the going into today we're gonna focus in, we're gonna collaborate, we're gonna design.

Jason 25:48

Right, exactly.

Melanie 25:49

And we're gonna really pull something in that's never been seen before. So those are the two um two, and of course there's other aspects of things we do, but um a lot of those are a little more creative.

Jason 26:02

Yeah, and they are, but you also need to be in that realm too. I mean, you know, uh say something with 3D printing and all that. Um, yes, it is creative in one aspect, but when you start digging down deep into the intricacies of the tinker programs or the cal decalculus, the physics, the the geometry that make it happen in the programming aspect of that, that's a whole different part of the brain. So you you it's almost like you need to entertain the story long enough to get to the point where it's like, okay, alright, now now I need to dive in the whole, you know. Right. Um so and the same with some of the jewelry and things like that. But like, yeah, any small, any small business, you're handling all aspects of it, and you're having to deal with that balance. So it it it would be you know great to um, you know, I guess maybe in some future interviews or some feedback, you know, of other businesses and how they've had to deal with that that piece.

Melanie 27:02

Please be kind to your small business owners as you see them, they are possibly brain fraud. Right, exactly.

Jason 27:08

So when when they order the wrong thing at the restaurant or you know, or you ask them a question, they go, Yeah.

Melanie 27:17

I'll get back to you. I'll get back to you. Right?

Jason 27:19

Yes, then it's it's possible they've had 50 things on their brain and headlights look where you just kind of like, I do care about what you're saying, but I'm just getting there, you know. Right. And I've seen that look, I know that look, I've lived that look, and we've you know, so it's just what it is. Um and again, it and that does come with, like you said, the it's not a specialization. And that's why in like big corporate America, that that's why they do that. They hire and train you for a certain function. If you want to think of it as the assembly line, okay?

Melanie 27:50

I'm the person who's not saying that's easy, because then you you you may be uh all one way and not creative and all creative and not, you know, that's why people switch technical, so you've got to be able to ordinance and that I know right. You don't want to burn out an either or no, exactly.

Jason 28:03

You don't you do want to touch it all.

Melanie 28:05

So we're not saying it's easier, we're just saying it's different.

Jason 28:08

It is different, but that's why things become how they become. Um, and I mean any good um say tech company or whatever industry out there will allow you to dabble and take a break, if you will, by jumping over into another facet to, you know, all right, spend spend a little time in this department here and come back, which is also very important because in order to do your job well, you have to understand how others handle theirs.

Melanie 28:38

Right.

Jason 28:39

Um you know, so that's helpful. Um I I I know remember when I would go to conferences and everything, and I would speak to people and of course these web design conferences, and it would be like, oh, okay, well, um we uh, you know, what do you do? And it's like, oh well, I'm part of the uh the marketing or you know, whatever department. It's like, okay, well, that's cool. And it's like, well, what do you do? It's like, well, I was a freelancer. I was working, this was a part-time gig at that time, so I did everything. So and they were like, So how do you do that? And you just explain what you know, but in their vantage point coming to the conference here or working for a company, and they were sending them off, hey, borrowing more about the marketing aspect. So it was intriguing to me that wow, it's a specialization, you know. And they were like, You have you have to do everything? And I'm like, that's so cool, you focus on that, you know. But you know, we could see the advantages and disadvantages of both, right? But it also made it an intriguing conversation. So how would you deal with that? So well, how do you do you know, and it it was it was neat, it was very lively, and it kind of brought the human to the front, you know, because in either way, um the the machine works differently, but the human is still the same. But yeah. Makes sense. But yeah.

Melanie 29:53

So last question is Okay, sure.

Jason 29:55

Um then I think we'll close up.

Melanie 29:57

Yeah, yeah, it was gonna be a little short one today. Um what brain do you wake up with?

Jason 30:04

What brain do I wake up with? Well the brain I wake up with really having nothing to do with this. Um actually the first thing I think about when I wake up um are our our daughters we you know we pack in lunch and I always have to um try to come up with a joke to write on a napkin to put in their lunchbox. And of course I've used several sources, you know, you look up jokes for kids, right? Now if I look up jokes for kids on Google or whatever, this has been like 200 times now, it's very hard to find one that I haven't found yet.

Melanie 30:42

Oh. So audience, new jokes, that'd be great.

Jason 30:45

Yeah, I mean a new source of joking.

Melanie 30:47

So but what you're saying is you wake up with dad brain.

Jason 30:50

Yes, dad brain. You do all that's kind of cute. You wake up with dad brain because you have to put jokes in the napkins. So, um, and my kids say they're dad jokes, and I'm like, no. They are dad jokes. I'm like, no, I've had these jokes before I was a dad.

Melanie 31:04

Uh they read them to the whole table, and and usually there's a groan. A groan, a groan, or sometimes, oh my god, I can't believe he wrote that joke.

Jason 31:12

No, no, I actually find some of the ones that I think are like, okay, whatever, this is phoning it in, you know, or it's like this is not the best joke. Catch someone funny, and it's like, oh my gosh, it's epic. Yes. So the ones I don't think are gonna be.

Melanie 31:26

Your friends at the table enjoy the joke.

Jason 31:28

Are the ones that are the winners. The ones I'm like, wait, hold on. You didn't think I was funny? Come on, man, I was laughing. You know, so it, you know, it humor hits everyone differently. Um I just love the play on words. Yeah, right. So, but alright, well, I think this was um certainly an episode that I'm surprised at, you know, we're 30 minutes in. Oh wow. 31 in. It's not as short as I thought it was gonna be. No. Um, but yeah, it's just but it I think it does, and I'm glad that you wanted to hit on this because it does lend to that broader segment of small business. And well, of course, I just love how the brain works. Oh my gosh, it it's it's it's an incredible thing.

Melanie 32:16

The more you learn, the more you know you don't know.

Jason 32:18

And again, AI was not part of this. We're talking about the human. We're talking about the colour. The human brain is human so much more cool than this.

Melanie 32:24

Oh the AI brain.

Jason 32:25

Right, and what it's able to do is still so much more, and we're just trying to find what that role means in the future. But um, alright, I guess in closing here, um, you know, please continue to review or follow us on your favorite platform. It does help us reach an audience, and um we're we're thankful for those that have given us feedback and said, hey, we're we're listening, we appreciate that. Um it's October, obviously, and with Christmas around the corner. Um we do have some unique merchandise online. Of course, we have it at our shop too. You know, we do 3D printed um earrings and fidgets and things, and we have circuit board jewelry, which I really know is a special audience out there. We haven't really pushed it. Um, but it is an interesting gift for that tech geek fanatic that you might know of.

Melanie 33:17

Yeah, we'll push it more when we get some time to do it, but we definitely should push it.

Jason 33:22

Exactly, we should. So, but I think that's all for today, and again, we appreciate your time and unplugging for now.

Melanie 33:28

But always stay connected.