The Dark Side of AI

In this noir-styled episode of Wired Together, Jason and Melanie follow the clues through today’s AI headlines and hype. We examine how recommendation systems really work, why “wake words” sometimes misfire, and how to protect loved ones from voice-clone emergencies and deepfake deception. We separate the dark web from the deep web, talk through guardrails like the EU AI Act and U.S. enforcement via the FTC, and spotlight AI’s upside—from fraud detection to medical diagnostics. The verdict? New tech isn’t new trouble; it’s another chapter in a long story. With a steady moral compass, practical habits, and early education, AI becomes a tool—not the villain.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Happy episode fifteen from Wired Together with your host and hostess, Melanie Winter.

SPEAKER_04 0:15

And Jason Winter. I guess I'm the host.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Yes, you're the you're the host. I'm the hostess.

SPEAKER_04 0:21

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

The hostess with the most us.

SPEAKER_04 0:23

Ah yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Um and continuing with our October um I guess we're kind of going with that spooky. So, you know, we're not much into the um gory or the you know um even the the the overly like psychological crazy horror mess, no. But the macabre noir. Oh yeah, mostly we could so fall into that. Yeah, you know. You know, a little egg rumpo, a little you know Twilight Zone. Old yeah, Twilight Zone. Yeah, that's always been a classic. Old movies. Yes. We're we're we're gonna be a little more on that end of things.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

Yep, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

And so we're kind of gonna go in this um little little fun, little jazzy film noir style.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

And you kind of had an idea as far as it not being like mythbusters, but bringing up um things that are maybe myths or things that are often talked about, and where is maybe the truth in life, you know, put with this, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Yeah, yeah, so kind of your dark side of AI. Yeah. So let's let's go into the dark side.

SPEAKER_04 1:41

All right, do I it was another night in the digital city. Neon code raining down the alleyways of the web. Somewhere out there. A machine was learning. And it wasn't just learning my name, it was learning everything.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

I love that.

SPEAKER_04 2:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

So a little detective movie going on, so we'll set the scene.

SPEAKER_04 2:20

Yep, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

You know, a little drink, a little toddy.

SPEAKER_04 2:25

Yep, that's right. Alright, I well I think we set the scene, so we'll just stop right there.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

We'll have a little fun with it.

SPEAKER_04 2:35

Alright. That was cute.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Right? I thought it was cute.

SPEAKER_04 2:40

So I guess what is the first thing that you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Well, the first thing you think with AI, and and that's the the the creepy, the dark and stormy of of AI. Is it really listening to everything?

SPEAKER_04 2:55

Oh gosh, everyone talks about that, you know. And I mean, I think it was just the other evening with in this technically isn't AI, but it goes into the global idea of what technology is able to do. And we've all heard about, like Facebook heard me. Well, I don't I don't remember what it was, and I guess it don't matter, but I think someone's name was randomly mentioned, and this name is not a common name. And you know, I think our oldest daughter was having a conversation with you, and then I'm scrolling through Facebook, and that name popped up on something that matched whatever, and I just kind of like flashed my phone at Melanie, like, all right, here we are. You know, and and I guess I know what happens, I'm a little hesitant to really buy into that because I know algorithms can be algorithms, and I know a lot of times it's because you searched something, you know. Oh my gosh, it knows I want to buy a grill. Well, it's because you went to Home Depot's website and you were looking at grills, and then now Facebook says this grill is you know 30% off, and you're like, oh my gosh, it's listening. No, this was not the case.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Well, as devil's advocate, sometimes you're not searching and you're just saying or thinking. Right. And then all of a sudden it pops up. Exactly. That's when it gets really eerie.

SPEAKER_04 4:18

It is, and you know, where do you put that? Right. But it kind of it's kind of becomes the case of the eavesdropping assistant, is kind of like what we were thinking that this might fall into. And so does AI actually do it.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Um and well, the the short answer, you know, obviously there's no listening device, there's no spies.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

What to spy on every single person in the country would be almost impossible.

SPEAKER_03 4:46

Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

But there is kind of a a learning of what you what your genre, or not genre, you know, but the the like your demographic.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

The you're probably gonna go in this direction, you're probably gonna think this way, you know, that kind of thing. And so there is a lot of creepiness when it comes to that because yes, there's things that are correct, right? And you're like, oh, I was thinking about a growth.

SPEAKER_04 5:17

Well, it does it does extrapolate, and marketing has spent a lot of money into this to predict your next move. So it creates a profile for you. And like on ads on Facebook, if things pop up, you can click on it, like when you go to try to report it, and you could say, Why am I being shown this? And if you dig enough, sometimes they will say, Well, it's because you are attached to this page or group, you're within this age group, you know, maybe you bought a house in the past two years, and it will try to give you reasons for why that information was served to you. So, yes, it might seem like magic, but when you piece certain variables together, you can really extrapolate something that may be fitting to you.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

So, and you know, as we often do, there is the the old and the new coming together. Yeah. Um, and the beginning of communication was the telephone. Yeah. And in the the early stages of telephone was party lines. And so you did have uh nosy neighbors. You snoopers, yeah. Yes, and so uh not everybody hung up when they realized that the phone call was for you. And sometimes they stayed and listened.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

And you had to be aware of that. Yeah. And and back in the the turn of last century, you you had to be aware of the fact that these, you know, you're gonna have neighbors listening to your conversation. Well, in in a way, we've kind of gone full circle. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 6:57

So you're saying that some of these antics are not unique now.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Your Alexas and things like that, the Google uh echoes.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

They're they're they're not gonna listen to everything. There it's called a wake word.

SPEAKER_04 7:12

There's a word that will wake up. It knows when I hear this now to jump on board.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Right. Well, sometimes you will say something that's completely not anything to do with that, and it sounds enough like the wake word that they wake up.

SPEAKER_04 7:27

And it's like, oh, maybe they thought because I said this, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

So that gets thrown into the cloud and and data gets um, you know, thrown in there, and and yes, it does get understood, and it's kind of gets to that point of of what's eavesdropping versus what's uh sure, just following whatever the algorithm says to jump on.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

It makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

And and so yeah, that gets it gets creepy, um, but at the same time, it that is kind of part of it, um, you know, when it comes to if you've got something like that in your household, yeah, you know, I mean, nine times out of ten, you're not saying things that are like truly nefarious. I mean, it we have an Alexa in our kitchen, it's probably listened to a lot of math.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

It's a lot of math homework, a lot of boring conversations.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

A lot of boring conversation, finishing up about, you know, Winter Netweb, um you know talking about friends to the girls, you know, stuff like that. I mean, if it really wants to listen, wow, how boring. I know, right?

SPEAKER_04 8:34

Yeah. Um if we had anything to really cover up, I guess we would have everyone's cell phones in a in an aluminum bag. Right. And put our tin four heads.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

You know, yeah, it's it's it it's wake words, but no, it's not actually spying. Right. Because that would be so much data and so ridiculous. It would not be crazy.

SPEAKER_04 8:58

And we've seen a lot of lawsuits related to that kind of thing. I mean, it if the technology were able to do it, the blueprints are out there, and you know, there's enough curiosity that people would have researched it. And I I think we can kind of put this one to bed and say it's not actually spying every single syllable. No, it's just trained to jump. And the algorithm as a whole is trained to predict your next move. So that's probably what's that's what's going on. And you're like, oh my gosh, wow, you know, so alright.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Um and then, you know, of course, there is the the darkness of AI. It's impossible to talk about this without talking about, say, the dark web. Um, so strolling down the alley of the dark web, how is that um, you know, uh something to live through, be comfortable with, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

Right. And you know, it Well there there's a difference w with the web. You have the uh what people call the deep web, and then you have what is the dark web. Right?

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Right. So that that is two different uh subjects here.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

Right. And it's often kind of put together.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Um So what's the deep web?

SPEAKER_04 10:24

Well, the deep web, of course it's deep, just like say fishing or whatever. It's the area that is beyond what's easily accessible, and that's usually behind a password wall. So your account information that may be part of whatever thing you are signed up with.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Like your authenticator stuff.

SPEAKER_04 10:43

Well, yeah, I mean anything anything behind the authenticator wall is your password protected area, so it's it's private to you, so it's deep. Can it be accessed? Well, yes, there are ways, and we've had a lot of data breaches, and that's what access um accesses that. But the dark web is something entirely different. And you don't just accidentally go, hey, I'm in the dark web. You know, there's no like vignette that comes over your screen and you realize I'm in this area.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

It's um Yeah, you need software. You need to be invited into it, if you will, you need it's um to be nefarious and in your existence. Right.

SPEAKER_04 11:35

Oh gosh, this kind of reminds me of the 90s and all well, yeah, anyway. So there were areas of the web that's just put it this way, that it's on a network of servers, which is the internet, alright? But this is a network of servers that kind of coexists in its own little circle. Now you can find a way into this. I kind of think of it as like the grand theft auto world that tends to be where people that maybe don't have the best intentions may be anonymously sharing information, um selling things, involved in things. But, you know, a lot of your some of your trained police force are also there. So that is why it's kind of like the dark web, because it's like its own world where people have gone underground to try to conceal certain dealings and communication. And I mean, even some to a good level maybe. Um you know, there are times where, you know, white hats may be involved, um sharing of information that they don't want to be uncovered if sniffed in the public standard level. Um journalists and things may be there as a way of trying to get information for a story to get pushed through. Um and it's called dark just because it's, you know, again, kind of outside of it's on the other side, the shadow. Right. So uh yeah, it's but yeah, it it does exist.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Yeah. Villains live there.

SPEAKER_04 13:37

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

It's but uh th that's the thing with pretty much anything. I mean, you take a you know, the gangsters of the the twenties and thirties, you know. It it's kind of the same concept as, you know, you know where the gangsters live, you know where you don't go there. Or you know where your your nefarious things happen, sure you you know, make sure you're you know, steer clear.

SPEAKER_04 14:01

Right, the bad part of town.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

The bad part of town.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

These are the houses you don't visit during Halloween. I mean you kind of look at no, we don't know we're not going down there.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Right and you know, you know, so you you protecting yourself is is as simple as you know, you're probably not in it, so you'd have to really try.

SPEAKER_04 14:22

If you don't know about it, there's probably a good reason why. Right. And you know just just pretend it doesn't exist and keep moving. But yeah, it's um it's really interesting though. Um so yeah, there was that. There's the dark web. There's a dark web and the deep web, so right.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Um and well, you know, as most people are starting to really pick up on nowadays, um AI can can fake things pretty well. Um and so here's the doppelganger kind of situation, the digital doppelganger, if you will. Um so there's been some some case studies, um, some cases we're gonna talk about the detective cases where imposters can call. And they will actually fake your voice. They will call people that you know and they know your name and stuff like that. So, you know, how do we get ourselves through this? Yeah, this is this is this is the wild west of okay, these bad things are happening, how do we do this?

SPEAKER_04 15:29

Right. I I guess all this started like a little bit more than a decade ago, where actually, and this is just a really scary, bad, dark concept where someone would have a child or someone call, say, a grandmother, and say, I've gotten into an accident, I'm at the hospital, I need money, and or maybe, you know, well, just if you could send money here, wire money here, I could be taken care of.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

And they're that actually happened to your grandmother.

SPEAKER_04 16:00

It actually did.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

They told her that she was you.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

Uh well, it I mean it it wasn't me, it was someone else in my family that was um yeah. But and that, you know, it then she called me. I remember I was painting a a building, huh?

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Smart.

SPEAKER_04 16:20

Right. And yeah, that was, you know, and said, Are you okay? I heard this, and all now I'm like, Yes, I'm fine. And you know, she was obviously upset because I mean, anyone, if if you're called by somebody, so they're exploiting on families that may maybe don't see each other very frequently, and um, but the technology has gotten better. Now you can actually, I mean, honestly, someone could take this podcast right now and grab my voice and then throw that into a computer system and have me read the Declaration of Independence, sounding just like I read the whole thing, you know. So it's this is how vulnerable we kind of become technologically, and of course, technology can be used for good purposes or bad purposes. I mean, think of chain letters back when emails came about and you know, other things. Well, if you do this and or how about that, uh I'm still waiting on the several million dollars from that prince in Nigeria. So it it comes around, but you know, it's there are different scams and things. So anytime that technology allows for something, you have some people that go, Wow, this can make life better, this can do this. You have other people and saying, Who can I, you know, screw over by using this?

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Who can I hurt?

SPEAKER_04 17:42

Right, who can I hurt?

SPEAKER_01 17:44

That that's so unfortunate, but it is it it's been a uh human experience from the get-go. Right. Uh from the beginning with rocks. I mean, it is a human experience where some people are gonna be um doing the nefarious thing, right? And then, you know, others will gain from the the knowledge of it. And so um, how do we protect ourselves yet gain and and not completely ignore it? We can't just, you know, completely throw AI in the trash that it's gonna be here. So, how do we protect ourselves, you know? And the big thing is, you know, as as Jason says constantly, look up the actual phone number. Uh if if somebody is calling and something feels off.

SPEAKER_04 18:30

Oh yeah, use your gut.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Yeah, use your gut and and call that person back with the actual phone number and make sure that that's not them.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Um, that's gonna be your your it don't give money out at all.

SPEAKER_04 18:46

Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

And in in this if anything's been considered like, you know, well, if you do it through um a gift card or something, no, right unlikely your your family member is not gonna ask you to create a gift card.

SPEAKER_04 18:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

That is a scam.

SPEAKER_04 19:01

Or or to wire. I mean, that would be like weird, you know. Or yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

So call the actual family member if it sounds too real. And I know you just make sure, do it that double check.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

And I know they, of course, always have another reason. You know, you might be thinking, well, this is not your number, why are you calling me on this? And the quick retort is, well, my phone, you know, it's not with me. My phone battery died, uh, it got uh wrecked in a crash. I'm calling for my friend's number, you know, so they always have a reason to because they know you're going to question. Right. But you need to get right back to like Melanie saying, you know, just go back and dial the original number, you may find, hey, how you doing? Oh, well, I just heard, you know, and then okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

And they're in the kitchen cooking. Right, exactly. Well, hey, grandma, why why are you talking about it?

SPEAKER_04 19:48

Yeah, why you call them, hey, hope you're doing well.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Right, and that's yeah, there you go, you know.

SPEAKER_04 19:53

So, and you get back to the truth.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

They have no idea that that something has happened. So, you know, that make sure you call them people back. Sure. Um when it comes to certain companies, as we told before we said in the last podcast, if there's a company that's like making something urgent, find that company number. More than likely, the real number.

SPEAKER_04 20:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Um, more than likely the company's not gonna sit there and call you.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

And don't go to Google to look for it. And I know you're like, where else am I gonna go? Well, you may have an email from that company, like from an actual statement or something like that. Try to find a real way to communicate it because um we know Microsoft, okay, and um there are people that exploit that, antivirus programs, and um, I've dealt with recently where people look up Microsoft's number to try to reach them. Well, there's so many people that create profiles that say they work for Microsoft or these different sites that they are a support from Microsoft-related things, and again, it's more open source than Apple, but you call that number and it's actually a scammer. And you go, okay, well, let me be smart, let me look up this person. He said his name was uh, you know, Michael Johnson, let's say. And you look up online, well, I'm smart, let me look this up. Michael Johnson, yes, he does work for Microsoft. Well, yeah, he said his name was Michael Johnson because there is someone from Microsoft that you can find easily online with that name. So they try to build that credibility. So, and it's more than just audio, but video too. A lot of the videos we're seeing are being faked.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Right. And um And a lot of these calls are um just so you know, gonna happen morning or night. So late at night or early morning, uh that's when you catch you off guard. That the the the point is to catch you off guard. Companies will not ever do that.

SPEAKER_04 21:54

Yeah, that's outside of their hours of normal.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

And then if they're doing that as cloning a a family member's voice, again they they're gonna bet that you're not gonna go ahead and call that family member early in the morning or late at night. Yep. And so that's kind of what they're betting.

SPEAKER_04 22:09

That goes within what your brain's gonna react to, like, whoa, this is outside the hours of normal.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

So before wiring anything or doing anything, wake up your family member. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Exactly. Because they're they're gonna rather you do that than send somebody something that's not true.

SPEAKER_04 22:25

Exactly. So we're good, good. And just um want to talk about some of the video ways in which this is done, which how AI is contributing to you know, and a lot of this is just playful material. You take a video of of some uh scene event, and then you have AI see what it can do with it. So, and of course in the political realm we see, did that congressman really say that? Or did did the president say this? And these these videos of things, and a lot of it is just to get a chuckle, but there are people that see it, and it's believable enough that you feel like, oh my gosh, I didn't know that, and then you share it. So we're sharing a lot of mess that isn't even true on both sides of the aisle, and we just need to be very careful about that, and um, you know, just making sure that we realize that yes, the technology is getting better, it is getting believable, but and if it doesn't feel right, it probably isn't. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

And we do have to kind of go back to our our moral standard here on the right. Right.

SPEAKER_04 23:35

And there's the too good to be true, you know, concept we need to go with, and also with a lot of uh scammers, there's the I can't believe this happened situation, and we want to fix that, and they want to be the hero. And um you know, oftentimes there is a scenario that may or may not have happened that you're believing that this person will help you through. So you're actually allowing the scammer in. Don't call the numbers, um, don't believe the pop-ups, um, don't believe the emails. Um, they're actually noted. I was talking with uh someone that follows our podcast very recently, and it never dawned on me, but it used to be it the very nature of it was a lot of the emails you got you could tell were written by someone that maybe didn't speak English natively. So the you know the keywords were kindly sir, there you go, kindly sir, do this. They're now using AI. And AI makes it sound a little perpetual. Not only that, but very believable because they're doing their research. Right. So the email you're getting sounds like it came from them because you're finding other writings on the web. And this ended up this ended up being a really good phishing attack. Um, you know who you are, I'm not gonna name you out, but uh cheers. Um but yeah, so you know it it's always good to have a certain level of mistrust. We we all want to keep our families safe and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Which has been since the beginning of time. From the beginning of time, and you know there are certain things you do trust again with with your moral construct. Yes, and then you know, yeah, if it sounds too good to be true, it is. It is right. If it sounds, you know, just a little beyond, it is. Yeah, you know, um that that's kind of the the way to protect yourself is you know, make sure that it's it's legit first.

SPEAKER_04 25:42

Right. And I know we we don't like go overboard on this, but we are cautious and we've even instilled some of this in our kids. And like we go on vacation, and I know we're at a hotel, and you know, Dad, can you go down and get you know it's always some type of candy or something in the evening and all? And I come back and um I'll knock on the door, and they were trained, what's the code word? Now I'm not gonna tell you what the code word is. They know what the code word is, but it to them it's funny, but it's still instilling a training of, you know, hey, this is dad, you know, ex you know, and there are not many situations where maybe you won't be in a room with them or something, but if you weren't and the kids were just there, I mean they're at the age now, but still, you know, this is your dad. I mean, you know, it don't let them think it is. It's what's a code word, and now it's like, oh. And if I don't say the code word, Nangle let me in.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Right. But um That's okay.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

Yeah, it's okay. So and then you know, but anyway, but it's just it's a code word is helpful. Yeah, this word, the world we're in.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

So um set your families up with a code word.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Just that word that means something to your family and your family.

SPEAKER_04 27:01

Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

That's helpful.

SPEAKER_04 27:03

But but you were saying this isn't new in the broader historical sense of things, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:07

It's not, you know, there's um uh throughout history we've had to pretty much uh pull in all technology, you know, at some point. Yeah. Um back in 1919, uh-huh. Um somebody actually yelled fire in the movie theater. In 1919.

SPEAKER_04 27:33

Well, my great grandparents are born, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Yeah, a very new concept, and um it it became a obviously a hazard. Um since 1919, it is illegal to yell fire in a theater. Well, it's one of those situations where you've got to kind of pull things in. You've got to make sure that um if it's causing some sort of uh civil unrest, that kind of thing, well, you know, law has to kind of pull things forward, so and say, okay, we're not the wild west here. We're not able to just sit there and let things run their course. Right. And um, and so that's where kind of our our next little piece is where is the law in this? You know, um, so in our film noir, of course, you know, well, you've got to have your your renegade law or your trustee old shiny bad sheriff. Right. Um, so where is this in AI? AI is such an uncharted territory, it's um so new.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

And um, you know, we're getting there. We're coming up with some regulations. Um, the EU has the AI Act. Right. Um, they're pretty much kind of setting the standard. Yeah. Um the regulations from us is uh come in from the FTC and you know, making sure that co companies are accountable. Um AR, AI is not a person. Sure. AI cannot be sent to a courtroom. Right, it's a tool. You can't blame it. And so it is the companies that create that is, you know, okay, you're creating this, you're putting this out there. Um, just like the radio.

SPEAKER_04 29:21

Yeah, and if you're implementing it, you need to make sure that you're doing it in a responsible way.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Right. Radio waves um started to really be tapped into, you know, obviously um much, much later. Um turn of last century getting a little bigger. Right. And so the FCC came up with, you know, okay, yes, the radio waves are out there. Yes, you can kind of almost do anything with that. So we we've got this, you know, big boom of this uncharted territory. Right. So the FCC is, you know, that okay, let's. rear this in. Let's make sure that we're we're putting something out in the public. All public needs to be able to hear this. So they're the one of the things that came up with in George Collin will love this. The words you're not allowed to say.

SPEAKER_04 30:15

Beggie brought up George Carlin.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

And it's the very George Collin concept of these are the words you're not allowed to say.

SPEAKER_04 30:21

We will not say those I'm not going to say them either but they're running through my mind at the moment.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

If you want to look up George Carlin, he makes a really funny exactly kind of a spin on that one.

SPEAKER_04 30:33

Comically shows what you can't say. But yeah but you know it was the a way of saying okay the public's the public's going to use this and we need to make sure I mean because we we're using it as a technology. I mean think of the emergency broadcast system. Right. So people relied on the radio for communication even even today in the same way you know any um disaster type thing is like have a battery powered radio accessible for communication if there's a tornado or something. So you know your family's going to be listening.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

So make sure that even when television you know ground used to be you know you get the the beep beep people on television and all that. Well not everybody people stream nowadays. Not everybody has it's not the same local regular television local channels. Exactly. And so you can't do it through televisioning. No. So uh I think the emergency broadcast system is turned into the the phone. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

Because you're at least acknowledging everybody has the you get that text you get that whatever in it and so like the amber alert it you know scares us all when we're driving down the road or concentrating on something.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Right. Oh my god okay very important thing to have that because that's kind of getting sure a message out there very quickly something like an amber alert yep huge um need for that to be fast yep and and make sure that people know very quickly in a specific area. And so you know we've come up with these things. Hopefully well as AI is functioning in a a a deeper level we're going to be coming up with more and more of this. We're going to have probably more unfortunately more um courtroom settings where where do we draw the line and and you know some policies coming up again yelling fire in the middle of the theater back in 1919 people get trained realize that was not a great idea. So same concept uh radio waves going out there uh in the turn of the century we're not going to be able to say some things children could be listening true so we're you know we're gonna kind of slowly regulate this concept and the technology to this fear of the Wild West we're gonna get there. Yeah and and the main thing is I think with AI it's like is it white hat is it black hat and I think the concept is what hat are you wearing? It's both yeah it's it's the hat you're wearing we're all using it really makes the the understanding of what what this means for you. That is true. If you're wearing the white hat and you're saying you know okay I'm using this as a tool to to benefit myself as far as Google search on steroids that's going to be useful to me.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

You know I'm not doing this to go against people I'm not doing this to to enter into some sort of you know web that I have no reason to touch. Yeah. You know I'm I'm doing this for for something that's beneficial. You know that's really up to you. That's that's your version of the the white hat. Yeah um can it be used for nefarious reasons?

SPEAKER_04 33:43

That along with everything else yes yeah absolutely a lot of things you know can fall into wrong hands but also can be positive to those that intended to and you know so what is what is AI good for you know um why are we using this?

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Why does this matter can we just completely ditch it? Well uh not necessarily it it's been proved to be extremely helpful when it comes to weather patterns um you know yes we can make really good predictions as humans AI can do it a lot faster and so farmers really rely on that.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Yeah um it catches fraud yeah so even though it can create fraud it can catch fraud extremely easy in the same patterns I was talking about where it wants to suggest me purchasing something based on my patterns of life it also says you are not the kind of person that's going to buy a $300 pair of shoes from a company in California. Right. And that has that has been a real case where they're like they called me up and I'm like when Chase Card Services calls you're like oh no and it's like no I did not buy those shoes you're exactly right. Well it didn't it didn't fit your pattern it's like I appreciate it go ahead and block my card I did not do that. So that is you know and that story comes 15 years ago that essentially is AI. Right. It is now of course the machinery given into it you know the supercomputing power it has now is where we're all seeing what AI is able to do on a daily basis. And so conceptually it's been there but we flipped a switch about three years ago that and we're not we're not going back because it's not hey this new creature we got it's the supercomputing power that we're able to put into it has gotten so much you know more powerful. Oh yeah and we can't go back it it's no it's it's diagnostics.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Yeah exactly in the healthcare industry right yes if we think about AI and how fast it can diagnose something based on all of the information exactly because we don't always think of all of the information sure but if you plug something in and you start to really explore yeah a diagnostic situation yes it can come up with a a diagnosis and a early detection of disease much quicker. Of course so that that's a huge benefit. It is uh a benefit that I don't think humanity's willing to just let go of yet.

SPEAKER_04 36:23

No unfortunately if I can leverage it and I can do better in my practice then I have leverage over my competition. But if you sit back and go well I don't know well your competition's going to use it. The same thing with the internet the same thing with any technology. Well if we use this and they don't or if they use it and we don't then we're behind.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Right.

SPEAKER_04 36:48

It's nothing new to us with all this other technology out there.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

With radio with television with um streaming with you know I it again it's it's kind of what you choose um with the same thing we've we've we've had television um in the home since you know probably the 50s maybe everybody in the 60s yeah um where it's almost in every single home right and so you get to that point where okay we're this is potential for being nefarious. Now our children are kind of staring at the screen.

SPEAKER_04 37:25

So one way communication are they going to believe everything they see.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

But you know there's also certain situations as as you and myself grew up with you know um Mr. Roger's neighborhood oh yeah you know it you don't have that without that ability to be out there on the airways exactly yeah and certain things like that where it really opens up the um the spiritual and and moral uh development of children exactly you know that kind of thing that that's a very big deal right uh radio waves you know you've got you know sure you could listen to to really awful stuff you can also listen to you know uh connecting spiritual music you can listen to things that are going to uplift you yeah and so that's really your choice when it comes to whether you're pushing that dial right when it comes to back in the day with an actual dialogue yeah actual dial yeah it it's the exact same thing when it comes to literally tune in yeah right when it comes to tuning into um this pattern with AI are you gonna use it wrong right you know yeah exactly I know yeah makes sense and um I think that's really why we probably need to go ahead and and get that um sense of morality through God through the spiritual connections right and our connections with people and our want to go back to um why that was important to begin with. I agree it's important today. It is and um that's the thing about the us and the the concept of both past and present that you know yes we're very technological but we also really focus deep into the past yeah um and our our moral past is because that is kind of your your um your solid foundation. It is and I think that that's what we're we're called to do. I think that's what we need to do when it comes to all of this new technology coming out there that is um scary. Yeah it is you know in in in the big you know October way of of spookiness it's more spooky than that. Yeah but if we if we maintain our spiritual calling yeah and our morality you know in everything that we do we have to you know maintain that within our household and and within our families and so throughout that community you know we want that message to be heard. Yeah let's maintain this all sure you know and and nefarious things will happen. Yeah and you know those of us that know um some things about the technology we're here to fight with you.

SPEAKER_04 40:26

Yeah mm-hmm and and and I've always said that you know yes a technology uh allows for a lot of things and you know we um if technology is able to do things and you know I mean think back to the Jetsons um you know with uh um was it Rosa? Rosie Rosie I was thinking Rosa uh Rosie the uh the robot that you know took care of stuff in the household and of course the jobs are seen as just pushing buttons which I mean we're close to that and so yes technology eliminates the you know the the physical and the the the grind if you will but that allows for us to be more human. But what does human mean? And we need to really look inward and realize where we are in this equation because uh we really are two sides with this computer in the middle and you know we need to be louder than the the noise we need to make sure that our moral compass and the way in which that you know we participate with it is with good intentions. You're always going to have someone bad on the other side we can't get rid of it. If we abandon it then they take over. Right. So it's here.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

It's here.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

So um I guess we just need to be aware of that and keep that in mind. And like I said by being louder than a noise means w it if we have concerns with it then don't just say, you know, well let's you know wish it goes away. It's not going to go away. We need to educate and stay up to speed because it's gonna be here for our kids. Just like in in the school system there's you know a lot of research and a lot of discussion with um and of course devices like mobile phones have been pulled away and there's been mandates in Virginia and other states where they can't have these phones during class. And while I do understand it being a distraction I also can't help but see that in the future when you know the magic day of graduation comes and a company picks you up they're gonna be like okay we're using these computer systems, we're using AI, what's your familiar familiarity with that? And if you haven't been taught this can it come back on the school systems as neglect and I'm reading more and more about that. So I think while we're trying to play a safe move or a convenient move we're trying to you know juggle the distractions of technology we really need to make sure people understand what it means earlier because again it's not going away. If toddlers have a tablet and they're interacting with it but then go into school and don't you know what are they really learning? Who's actually looking over their shoulders of what they're doing we actually need to explore this and our political leaders need to also understand that if we're not doing it right and of course I'm not expecting government to be the savior ever but as a community we need to make sure that we understand what is being put in their hands and to what level and we know in the real world it's gonna be there so we need to make sure that we're preparing our next generation.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

And then we're preparing them morally. Exactly as opposed to black hat and white hat we can't throw the hot hat in at the if they're gonna make a decision between white and black hat yeah then if we throw the hat in we're not making that decision at all.

SPEAKER_04 44:37

Yeah throwing in the hat right so so let's let's uh support the b the white hat let's support support the white hat listen to those that know right allow them to educate the right path and I think we'll be okay but an e-jerk reaction may not be the best way of solving this right so maybe you need it in your hand but understand that this is a moral dilemma that you need to navigate through. Exactly and uh to have the experience with it in the right way because in the real world again it's there so you need to know you know don't don't just like don't wait until you're you know 16 to then all right here you are you're 16 here's a car here you know here you go and uh oh should have told you the brake was in the left first but anyway but that comes with experience let's not let the first experience be when you finally reach the age but you've had no experience.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Well and and fortunately with driving a car you don't end up with some sort of moral dilemma. Right. When it comes to you know these devices yes you're gonna have a lot of moral issues yeah and and you might as well start that conversation you know we need to start it now we need to start it in um the bigger picture.

SPEAKER_04 46:00

Yeah yes exactly right so well I think we've done enough today and um were we were we good detectives I well I mean part of being a detective is you know obviously looking at things from both sides and also understanding you know um where the evidence is and how you know what the past means and sometimes history repeats itself but um I think uh we're gonna be winding off all right um always know that you can find our podcast in um winnoniteweb.com. Yeah we have it there and all the popular platforms you know of course Apple Podcasts Spotify you know being some of the leaders there but um we appreciate all the support and everything and um unplugging for now.

SPEAKER_00 46:57

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