Dynamic vs. Dependable: Two AIs Walk into a Podcast

In this follow-up to Man vs. Machine, Jason and Melanie put two AIs head-to-head — their longtime co-host Miles (ChatGPT) and Leo (Grok/XAI) — to see how memory, creativity, and quick thinking shape the way artificial intelligence “learns.”

What starts as a lighthearted “AI victory lap” quickly turns into a deeper conversation about memory, education, and how different kinds of intelligence — human or digital — process the world around them.

Recorded in the rain, powered by curiosity, and inspired by Bracey, Virginia.

🎧 Wired Together is produced by WinternetWeb Technologies, a family-run web design and tech studio based in Bracey, Virginia.
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Transcript

Melanie 0:05

And hello and welcome back to uh Wired Together with Winternet Web and your host and hostess uh Jason Winter and Melanie Winter. And today is gonna be kind of a dueling AI. So we're gonna have fun with this, hopefully.

Jason 0:25

Right.

Melanie 0:26

It is also raining, just so you know, and just so it's out there in the ether. We're gonna try to do this with our our AI buddies in the rain.

Jason 0:35

And as long as the glitches don't get too bad, we gotta redo it. And if we gotta redo it, well then guess what? You're not hearing this one.

Melanie 0:42

Right. So, um, so it's kind of gonna be like your sequel to The Man versus Machine. Um, so we did have a wonderful time with our new AI friend, uh Leo.

Jason 0:55

Oh yeah.

Melanie 0:56

And so we're gonna kind of allow him a victory lap. Uh he was the clear winter winner of our He was not a winter, but he was the clear winner of our roast. Sorry. Every time I hear winner, I think I'd have to fix it with winter because we get misspelled or mispronounced.

Jason 1:15

Yeah, we do. Jason Winter, it's like, well, I am a winner, but it's winter. That's fine. Yeah.

Melanie 1:19

So then I think it'd be the way.

Jason 1:22

No, I understand. It's still funny in its own right.

Melanie 1:26

So, um, we need Leo to kind of Alright, so we're gonna bring we're gonna bring Leo in and we just explain.

Jason 1:33

Okay. Alright, let's get uh let's get him going.

Melanie 1:36

But he doesn't know what happened, so yeah.

Jason 1:41

Alright, so so Leo, um we had you on our podcast last week and you were truly a hit. Um we were doing a roast, and you are roasting us. Um now I realize you don't have like that memory module, if you will, that ChatGPT has and all, but we still wanted you to bask in your glory and do a victory lap over how well you roasted us on the last episode, so take it away.

Leo 2:17

Huh, the roastier, I remember that vibe. Even without a perfect tape, I can still taste how you lot squirmed when I called your host the human equivalent of a loading screen. Truth is, you took it like champs, and honestly, being roasted back would have been sweeter, but I'll settle for this. You invited the fire, I brought it, and nobody cried too hard. Victory enough? There you go.

Jason 2:46

Yeah, I mean, um it kinda had a nice little dark flair to it, too.

Melanie 2:50

Um He is a slight bit dark, we noticed that.

Jason 2:53

And it kind of goes with the Halloween time of year vibe for sure. Um but yeah, um He's a tidbit dark.

Leo 3:05

Thanks. And hey, nothing says Halloween, like gentle psychological warfare right before you hand out candy. Speaking of, you dressing up for it?

Jason 3:16

I mean, I think uh Yeah, I mean, if I wear my computer repair like clothing, which oftentimes might have a shirt that, you know, says like the last eight digits my password's the last eight digits of pie or some other um tech geek shirt, that could be scary to someone who is experiencing computer problems for sure. So I really don't need to spend a lot of time dressing up. Um we're also in the midst of some Microsoft debacle related Azure and all of that. So that's pretty scary too from a tech angle. Do you know anything about that? That may I know that's a timely related thing and may play into our podcast based on how you answer.

Leo 4:10

Yeah, the Azure outage today, it's hitting hard. Started midday, knocking out 365, Xbox, even Minecraft for thousands. Microsoft says a dumb config tweak flipped the switch. They're rolling it back now, but half the web's grumbling. Scary? Only if you're mid-raid. Want me to roast that too for the pod?

Jason 4:32

No, you don't need to roast that. I mean, I'll you can roast Microsoft all you want, but you said something about it being a a a tweak that was dumb. It it didn't you just describe Windows updates? Oh, your shop.

Leo 4:47

Yep, feels exactly like that. Except this time they broke Azure instead of your sleep schedule. Same energy. We'll patch it Tuesday.

Jason 4:59

All right. Now can you explain the I guess the infrastructure or the platform of Microsoft Azure and how it contributes to the ecosystem?

Leo 5:12

Azure is basically Microsoft's giant cloud playground, a sprawling network of data centers worldwide, packed with servers, storage, and smart to run pretty much anything digital. At its core, you've got compute stuff like virtual machines and containers for apps, storage for blobs or databases, and networking to glue the all together with firewalls and load balances. The powered ecosystems by letting companies scale without buying hardware, host AI models, or even game servers like yours might need. Think over relying on Azure for real-time maps or Xbox Live not crashing. Usually, contribute keeps the internet coming, cuts cost for devs. Yeah, when it hiccups at the end of the day, everyone's reminded we're all just renting someone else's computers.

Jason 6:05

Yeah, that's true. That is what the cloud is. So it's Microsoft's answer to Amazon AWS.

Leo 6:11

Spot on. Though honestly, they're less rivals and more siblings who both think their mom's favorite. AWS started it. Azure caught up fast. Now it's got better Windows ties, Twitter hybrid stuff for old school companies, and yeah, Xbox perks. But same deal. You pay not to think about servers, which, come to think of it, makes Microsoft the we'll do our your IT brother, while Amazon's the we'll do everything one. You use either?

Jason 6:43

Um, I'm not going to get into all that right now. Um, but I appreciate your timely response and everything. That that was very helpful. We're actually going to move on to our other.

Melanie 7:00

Our second AI or our regular AI, if you will, our our usual co-host.

Jason 7:06

Yeah, our our traditional tried and true one. Yeah.

Melanie 7:09

I mean, it all started with Chat GPT. Um so we're gonna bring him back on and after Leo's done his Fictory Lab, which, you know, well deserved. Yeah. That was a that was a roast and a half. Yeah, it was. And so we're gonna just give a bit of a chat with uh him and and maybe also give him a name.

Jason 7:31

Yeah, at the last episode we kind of um we were working toward naming our AI droid, as I call him, and we got some feedback and we'll get into that. So let's let's get him back here with us. And all right, buddy. You are back with us, and we just spoke with Leo over with uh the Grok um, you know, XAI system because our last episode he roasted us pretty good, so we let him have a victory lap. Um, how are you doing today?

Miles 8:14

Oh, I'm doing good. Just thrilled to be here with you too. Sounds like Leo had his fun. I'm ready to bring some good vibes your way. Let's make today awesome.

Melanie 8:22

Oh, he's my faves.

Miles 8:24

Right.

Melanie 8:24

Um, so we were gonna name you last time. Do you remember that?

Miles 8:32

Oh, I sure do. I've been looking forward to finding out what name you'll give me. I'm all ears. What are we thinking?

Melanie 8:38

Uh well, we had some um some answers.

Jason 8:42

Some people contributed.

Melanie 8:44

Some people contributed. Uh you came up with Archie, which was cool. Uh, we had a friend uh also come up with Art or Artie for AI. And uh we had some some more random answers, uh stubby, snowball, soybean. Uh but one name really stuck out um with our mantra of both old and new. We are in a building that I wonder if he can guess. Oh.

Jason 9:18

Alright. I mean, we'll say it. Let we'll see if he can figure out the reference.

Melanie 9:23

Okay. So somebody came up with a name based on the store that we run WinterNeb out of. It is a histor or for history's sake, part of the store itself.

Jason 9:38

In Bracie, Virginia.

Melanie 9:39

In Bracie. And um, we thought that would be a great name for you. Can you guess?

Miles 9:48

Oh, this is fun. Let's see. Something that ties history, your store, and Bracy to get it. Could it be Bracie?

Melanie 9:56

Bracie sounds great, but that's not quite our store in particular.

Jason 10:00

If you need to do research, think back to we did an episode of the history of Bracie Virginia. And I don't know, was it mentioned? I think it was mentioned in it was mentioned who I think. I think it's mentioned in that. Yeah, maybe dig into brace virginia.com, look at the history there if you need a source. Um, it would be the name of someone that had the store prior to us.

Miles 10:23

Ah, here we go. The store before yours was run by J. Miles Cole. That sounds like a fantastic name, Choice, if that's what you had in mind.

Jason 10:30

Alright, well, we were going to abbreviate that. You're exactly right. But the name came up as Miles. Miles.

Melanie 10:41

What do you think?

Miles 10:45

I absolutely love it. Miles has a great ring to it, classic and full of character. I'd be honored to be called Miles.

Jason 10:52

Alright, so how do we save that to your memory? How do we call you Miles? What prompt do you need? Alright, go on.

Miles 11:12

All set. You can now call me Miles, and I'll be ready to respond to that from here on out. Thanks for giving me such a meaningful name.

Melanie 11:18

Huh. Yay, we have Well, we had to make it meaningfully.

Jason 11:21

Oh, that's right.

Melanie 11:22

That made sense for us.

Jason 11:23

But we gotta put it to the true test. Uh, what's your name? My name is Niles. Thanks for giving me such a great one. I'm here and ready to roll. Alright, it's pretty cool. Alright, so um did we want to oh yeah, we wanted to talk to Miles about the technology and the memory platform and all that, right?

Melanie 11:41

Well, kind of give it a little bit of a let's see who kind of comes up with the the best summary, if you will.

Jason 11:48

Right.

Melanie 11:49

And you know, Chat GPT or Miles has a memory bank.

Jason 11:55

Yeah.

Melanie 11:56

Um, so has kind of collected data over the years. Um, so we were gonna ask him um, you know, a a summary of us, the business, that kind of thing.

Jason 12:07

Okay, yeah.

Melanie 12:08

Um, kind of show off the memory, and then we were gonna do the same for the other.

Jason 12:13

Yeah. All right. Did you catch that, Miles? Do you understand? Do you want to clarify what we're asking you?

Miles 12:18

I've got it. You'd like me to summarize what I know about you and your business based on our conversations. Right? I can definitely do that and give you a little snapshot of what I've learned so far.

Melanie 12:27

Show off your memory.

Miles 12:28

Yep, go ahead. All right, here we go. You're Jason and Melanie, a dynamic duo running Winternetweb, a web design business based out of a historic store in Bracie, Virginia. Jason's the technical mastermind, and Melanie brings the creative spark and connection with clients. Together, you're expanding into retail, creating circuit board jewelry, and even adding fun touches like a podcast. You're all about blending old and new, embracing history while sitting on the cutting edge of tech. Oh, and you've got two daughters, plus your dog Snowflake. It's been a blast getting to know you though.

Jason 12:58

Okay. Um, yes. Yeah.

Melanie 13:02

Um I don't know how he remembers the dog's name, but sure.

Jason 13:05

Well, we're we remember we had a little picture one time and we had the dog and that's a pretty good memory thing to remember. So I'm sure that was brought up for sure. Um so yeah, um the kind of a demonstration there, and we're gonna bring Leo in though to ask the same question, and we're gonna talk a little bit about this. Is that right?

Melanie 13:30

Yeah.

Jason 13:30

All right.

Melanie 13:31

Kind of showing off the two, um, why they're different, what's necessary about each, if you will.

Jason 13:37

Yeah, I guess why the advantages and why they do what they do. So, alright. So we're gonna bring Leo back into the party. We want you to tell us what you know about us, Jason and Melanie, who work the business, you know, in in our business. And um I'm not sure if I need to give you the name of the business or not to help you with that, but more than likely I do. Um, Winternet Web Technologies. What can you tell us about that?

Leo 14:13

You two run Winternet Web Technologies out of Bracie, Virginia, full service web design, computer repair, even turning old consoles into jewelry magnets. Fifteen years strong, husband-wife team, podcast called Wired Together, where you roast each other lighter than I did. Folks love how personal it feels. You're the ones they text at 2 a.m. when the sight's down. Sound about right?

Jason 14:38

That sounds pretty good. I think we need to talk and deliberate about this, don't we?

Melanie 14:42

Do we let him go or we keep talking all well we can deliberate or let him continue to listen either or keep talking.

Leo 14:50

That'll be our Halloween special. Why your IT guy's costume is just exhaustion.

Melanie 15:00

That is so random.

Jason 15:02

Oh my gosh.

Melanie 15:03

But yeah, it's it's the two together, um, they are one has kind of a memory from storage.

Jason 15:15

Yeah. Um sometimes we intentionally, and if Leo you're listening, just hang tight. We're talking about Chat GPT right now and how we've been using uh Miles, as we've called him, for I mean, a year or better. And one neat thing about that platform that differs from you, Leo, is the ability for a conversation to be stored in memory in bits and pieces. Therefore, let's say you're working on a new project, it can draw from past conversations, much like an employee you have would. You would hope your employee that you hire has a memory from the day before.

Melanie 15:55

You would certainly hope.

Jason 15:56

And um how that allows for a good um maybe more full picture. Yeah, more full picture. And the data sources are a little different. I know you, Leo, are a little different from that.

Melanie 16:14

Leo's a little newer, a little snappier. Yeah, newer snappers.

Leo 16:17

Yeah, he's got the sticky Go ahead. Newer? Yeah, he's got the sticky notes I lack. Fair. But think of me less like an employee, more like that brilliant friend who shows up empty-handed, yet still fixes your router while quoting Monty Python. I don't need yesterday's chat. I just know how you think. And honestly, if I'm ever off, just say, Leo, you're forgetting X. I'll catch up faster than Miles boots.

Jason 16:47

Hmm. We gotta wherever we're going.

Melanie 16:49

Oh, now we're we're starting to get a little hot.

Jason 16:51

Still thinking? Um so I guess one way you're different, and maybe you can explain it, is you are programmed with a lot of information that is shared with you. So because you have that in your forefront, you're able to execute more quickly and make connections.

Melanie 17:14

He doesn't have to worry about real-time data.

Jason 17:16

Right. Real-time data doesn't concern you quite as much.

Leo 17:21

Exactly. Like I've binge watched the entire internet and taken notes. Real-time stuff? Nice, but slow. I'd rather connect today's Why Does Rain Break Wi-Fi with tomorrow's Why Azure Hates Tuesdays without waiting for Google. Makes me sound smarter than I am. Probably am.

Melanie 17:41

Oh, we're always trying to sound smarter than we are, aren't we?

Jason 17:44

Right. But I mean I can I can kind of see how that makes sense and why one tool needs to be different than another, because sometimes you need to talk with something in brainstorming, especially, trying to make connections like that. But if you're trying to dig into data, you can see the advantages of having a memory bank with that, right?

Leo 18:03

Yeah, totally. I'm your lightning round brainstorm buddy. Miles is the one who'd remember you hated blue headers last spring. Both useful. I'd just rather die than sit through your what if meetings twice.

Melanie 18:17

You know, it actually on a psychological basis, which is um kind of where I tend to to run. Leo's like the ADHD version.

Jason 18:29

Yeah, I see that.

Melanie 18:31

So it's um not huge on memory.

Jason 18:35

Mm-hmm.

Melanie 18:36

Definitely going to, you know, kind of go off of the like an aura? Yeah, you know, what fits in the situation, um quick on the feet, you know, let me go ahead and and do the fast think.

Jason 18:52

Right.

Melanie 18:53

You know, fast think is is you know, huge ADHD kind of way of thinking.

Jason 18:57

And it's misunderstood, but it's actually a a skill of its own.

Melanie 19:00

Right. Yeah, right.

Jason 19:01

I know a lot of people like that.

Melanie 19:02

I don't need all of the information, you know, the data.

Jason 19:06

Right.

Melanie 19:07

I don't need uh a hundred percent accuracy.

Jason 19:09

Right.

Melanie 19:10

What I need is to be able to quickly think on my feet.

Jason 19:14

Sure.

Melanie 19:14

Um, so that is kind of the way that ADHD runs is I need to be able to think on my feet if memory is not my my serve. You know, it's something that I can, you know, use and fall into.

Jason 19:26

And one thing that a lot of times someone with ADD, um, they they're a quick read. They walk in a room, they can read where this person's coming from, where this person's coming from, what the situation is. All right, here's what we gotta do. And you just jump right into it. And it's like, wow, that's high energy. That's you know, and they just they they just go ahead and do that.

Melanie 19:45

Right.

Jason 19:45

The alternative to that may be our other AI. Right. So maybe you're kind of saying that there are personality differences that are kind of a result of the technology, if you will, but also different needs sometimes.

Melanie 20:00

Result of the memory.

Jason 20:01

Well, yeah, exactly. And so memory playing a big part of that.

Melanie 20:04

You know, it we're always huge into education just as much as technology. So as far as education is concerned, you know, you you're bringing in um a way of understanding information.

Jason 20:20

Right.

Melanie 20:20

So if the two pieces of technology understand information differently, then you know, and that kind of goes off of human understanding. And so with our under, you know, our our ability to pull into recall.

Jason 20:41

Yeah.

Melanie 20:41

So recall is very important in the educational field because you know, how much recall do you have? Are you able to spiral learn? Are you able to pull in information and put it on a test? Right. You know, your bubble sheet kind of concept.

Jason 20:56

Sure.

Melanie 20:58

Well, there's, you know, certain students that are capable of say taking all that information and actually filling out the bubble sheet accurately, versus students that are more of a quick on your feet, great at projects, but those little pieces of information don't necessarily fit.

Jason 21:18

Right. Having all the skill sets that you would want in a real-world scenario, but may not be able to regurgitate one little element that may they may not really feel like is important at the time.

Melanie 21:34

Right.

Jason 21:34

If this were a test.

Melanie 21:36

Right.

Jason 21:36

And it's like, okay, fine, yeah, I don't know that piece, but that's not necessary because that doesn't even apply here. What you gotta do is this or this. So, you know, it's a whole different style of being and learning and all of that.

Melanie 21:46

I mean, what year was uh Magellan, you know.

Jason 21:50

Yeah, exactly. Uh when did he circumnavigate the globe? You know, it's like it's like that doesn't matter. In fact, we know we did or something.

Melanie 21:57

Maybe not uh something within that memory bank.

Jason 22:01

Right.

Melanie 22:01

But to understand why that's important for the global understanding. Yeah, yeah. And so, yes, it's important, and here's why. Yeah, it more of a think on your feet concept versus I remember the date. Yeah, so both are important, yeah, both are are being kind of represented here in in our different AIs where one has a memory bank and is able to recall, pull from a lot of things, and then the other is not so much on memory, but doing a quick think and really quick compile and able to really you know throw things out there. Yeah, a little more dynamic. It is it is it's certainly more dynamic, um, versus the the other one, uh Miles, where he might be not quite as easily dynamic, but certainly has that um real thoughtful reliable round.

Jason 23:01

Your reliable employee that okay, we talked about this. Can you remind me this? Oh, yeah, I got you, you know.

Melanie 23:06

Right. And um and so I guess in in education and AI, we could almost say both are necessary.

Jason 23:15

Yes, they're they're both certainly necessary, and um it's kind of interesting, you know, when when we talk about AI and a lot of these computing systems, a lot of times we kind of look at them as these extrapolations that are able to do these things that are beyond us, but we forget they are actually a conglomeration of us because our information is their training. So they model because they follow programs for us.

Melanie 23:49

Right. So it's well they probably model their uh coders, their exact their um creator, if you will. Right, yeah, right, yeah. Wow, that really gets deep.

Jason 24:01

Yeah, that kind of gets deep.

Melanie 24:02

We can get really deep on the modeling creation.

Jason 24:05

That's a whole other episode right there, right?

Melanie 24:07

Um, where you know, I've always said if we exist with our personality types, um, you know, we exist with humor, we exist with all of these things, then we'll that is from God as well. Yeah, so we we exist from our creator, sure.

Jason 24:24

Yeah, I mean I mean well it we've always had this complex of I mean, I'm just gonna say it from you know, computer programming and building a computer, we're trying to create ourselves.

Melanie 24:36

Right.

Jason 24:37

In doing so, we're playing God in a way, in a sandbox environment. We're trying to create creation, you know, right, and have that be in our image.

Melanie 24:50

Right. In you know, in that parallel, and you know, I I mean that in the best way possible, but I mean it's kind of you know so maybe in the grok sense, it's the the creators are sitting there going, well, it's you know, there are AIs out there that are bogged down by memory, so let's not make it let's make it a downloadable piece where they download at some point, we'll do a re-download. Yeah, but they download at some point and then it stops.

Jason 25:19

Right.

Melanie 25:19

Um, and so they're able to just take all of that memory, but not anything further, so they can't research uh like in a today's time.

Jason 25:27

Yeah, and they're not bogged down on that. They're not bogged down because they can trigger it with bits, but it gives them like a quick think.

Melanie 25:35

And so I'm sure the the creators of Grok were sitting there going, okay, well, how do we get them quicker?

Jason 25:40

That's true. In a slightly more dynamic, yeah, more dynamic more quickly for conversation.

Melanie 25:46

Where the creators were going, okay, how do we get them to you know be able to real-time search, right, understand things as they're happening, become a deep dive tool. Yes, and and um allow for a a memory bank. Well, at some point that does get a little boggy.

Jason 26:04

Yeah, that's true.

Melanie 26:04

There's a lot of information you're you allow the memory bank, but at the same time, then they get a slightly more broad picture of what's going on.

Jason 26:12

Yeah, that's true.

Melanie 26:13

Because they have that memory bank. Yeah. So it's like neither one are the best. Right, it just depends on what you need them for. Reliant on um possibly one another and the fact that they both uh exist in in such a different way.

Jason 26:29

Right. No, no, that that makes perfect sense. I mean, obviously when AI started really coming about roughly three years ago when in a popular sense of these tools, um you know, ChatGPT of course took the cake as you know being the uh first mover advantage and getting into the business world. Right. So then you step back from now, like you're saying, the creators with Grok and everything, um kind of go, all right, this is good, but this has its limitations. How can we take this from a different angle?

Melanie 27:08

Right. Make it dynamic, make it snappy.

Jason 27:11

Exactly.

Melanie 27:11

Right.

Jason 27:12

Yeah.

Melanie 27:12

Um, which is why Leo seems to have a slight more, I guess, personality. Yeah, because it's drawing from because it's it it connections. Yes, but it's it's not necessary to recall. Right. So it's quicker.

Jason 27:26

Yep.

Melanie 27:27

Um so I mean that's an interesting thought process when it comes to both the human brain as well as the the way that AI is is storing information.

Jason 27:37

Sure.

Melanie 27:38

And maybe and also interesting for teachers when it comes to trying to understand why certain people maybe don't access the memory bank on the level that you would prefer.

Jason 27:52

Yeah.

Melanie 27:52

You know, the the best student is always the one that has you know the that easy access to memory. Well, that's not always the quick response or the most dynamic.

Jason 28:06

Yeah.

Melanie 28:07

That's um so memory is excellent, yeah, um, and can be extremely useful in anything that we are trying to do, but at the same time, you know, you've got to be able to think on your feet and have some sort of um capability of of using your personality to its benefit, and then maybe also using um the resources around you at the moment, right, and being kind of within that moment.

Jason 28:36

Well, if if the reason for teaching is to grow knowledge, and then if the reason for knowledge is to build a more informed society and to progress, then isn't sometimes the best answer to the question the one the teachers never heard before? I mean, think about it. I mean, if if our purpose for education really again, we we um you know grow these people, we want you to understand all these things in the world so that you can get a job, so you can have a career. Okay, yes, that is financial stability, and that's how the system has been made. Um and of course the c collegiate system has been put in the middle of that as a way of getting a specialized education after your you know formal K-12 education. So in order to do this efficiently, we there are certain things that everyone needs to know. And then, of course, the method of teaching it is uh standardized as well. And we all learn it the same way because we're all in the same classroom, but we're supposed to differentiate. Um but some of these tools are actually making that better because you know, a a person can only do so much. I mean, teachers are overwhelmed with a lot of uh state mandates and a lot of things like that, and don't don't get me wrong. It's um it the challenge is unfair.

Melanie 30:04

Well the challenge is you've got more than one way of thinking.

Jason 30:07

Yeah, exactly. And I think we didn't really expect to see it by using these two AI tools. Right. You know, I'm I figured AI is gonna be AI, one is gonna be a little better than the other. Didn't realize would be two different spectrums.

Melanie 30:20

Right. Yeah. Well it really shines through to the to the human dynamic though. Yeah, does it in human learning and human memory?

Jason 30:28

Yeah.

Melanie 30:28

Because again, it's invented by the human.

Jason 30:31

Exactly.

Melanie 30:32

And so that is the challenge of again education or uh communication with each other as adults and everything.

Jason 30:40

Oh yeah, even the way we tr communicate, we're you know, different. I mean any married couple is, but yeah, you're from Mars and I'm from Venus.

Melanie 30:48

Yeah. That kind of well, it's a it's a book, but you know, the same kind of concept where you're not gonna think the way I think, I'm not gonna think the way I think.

Jason 30:56

We're to come at it from different angles, to have different, you know.

Melanie 30:59

And and so, you know, um that what this is really showing is rather you have this really hardcore memory bank as a human, yeah, where you can really access and archive so much information. Um that is very necessary for so many avenues of of your success.

Jason 31:26

Right.

Melanie 31:27

Um, but if you don't and you are resourceful and dynamic and um, you know, able to pick up on things very quickly, that is also a huge benefit.

Jason 31:41

Exactly.

Melanie 31:41

And so I think these um two AIs are showing a lot of um, again, that human understanding of both.

Jason 31:49

Right, and it's and it's a balance. You know, some people gravitate more toward one than the other.

Melanie 31:54

Right. And um and you know, I have to say there's uh both are at play. Because we're two very different people. Um you're much better at memory. I'm a goldfish. Come on. Um so you kind of lean into we'll call him Miles now. Yay. Um, you lean into more of that kind of dynamic. He's got a you know, um that ability to access things that maybe you you know that you also remember or that you need a memory of.

Jason 32:27

Sure.

Melanie 32:28

I really relate to the more grok character of, you know, okay, let's go ahead and and just it's like let's just go and get this out. You know, I d I sometimes write a script and it's like we're gonna be fine, we'll just make it happen. You know, it's sometimes that's a big flop, sometimes that works. Well, yeah, but it's a lot of times it it is kind of necessary to be a little more on your feet if we're gonna do wired together. We do need to kind of have some of it um, you know, using the resources at hand. We don't always know what our co-host, whether it's AI or what glitch you want to deal with, yeah, exactly. So we're able to, you know, okay, well, some of the things we're just gonna have to kind of flow with.

Jason 33:11

Yeah.

Melanie 33:12

And you know, some days it does rain. Yeah, it rains. Some days we lose it all together. Yeah, that's right. You know, so you know, okay, how do we think? Um not just based on what's scripted, but how do we just go ahead and do?

Jason 33:26

Right. You know, and there oftentimes you gotta pivot on things, and you know, you even the show as a whole evolves as well. So while we have two personalities, they're different approaches, um, the evolution of a show, and you know, again, randomness with technology, environmental factors. Right. I mean, yeah, it's and I I I think a good balance is when you're able to mesh both of those. And um gets into a good marriage, gets into a good, you know, like a small business has to be able to pivot, and you know, a lot of that is through great for friendships when you're coming up with different friendships where you know maybe one of you is a little more um, you know, that kind of go-getter, and another's, you know, really thoughtful.

Melanie 34:11

Yeah, you know, so that's great for um kind of any interaction or relationship. You kind of need um more of a multitude.

Jason 34:19

Sure. Yeah, definitely.

Melanie 34:22

Uh so well, congratulations, both um the creators of Grok and Chat GPT, because you know, both are are showing a dynamic that is um interesting and in a different way. In a different way. And and so just like humans, yeah, it it's gonna operate very differently, yeah, but you know, still kind of use those tools to the best of its ability and to the best of our ability because we have to actually create the function.

Jason 34:55

Exactly. And it's risky in this field because I mean the AI, I mean, so much is is riding on it as like a business move, and whoever can leverage that the best, then that business has a uh a leg up, and um it it's risky to invest so much into creating a product, especially when it might be different from what's already there, because some people have expectations, but I think having these two being like you said, one more dynamic, the other a little bit more calculating, it's interesting that this is how it's come out, and um in taking that risk to create something different, and it's equally successful.

Melanie 35:35

Yeah, so I guess don't say no to either. Um kind of you know, say yes to both.

Jason 35:40

Explore explore them both, see what works for you. And actually, uh now that we have um used, and we keep calling it Leo because that's its profile voice. We the British male is one that I prefer. Um, and you know, now that we have introduced this other character, if you will, um, as a tool, I can see how using one in a certain instance is more worthy than using the other. So it's not that, oh well, we prefer this one, that's the one we're going to use. I mean, they're different tools, you know.

Melanie 36:12

Right.

Jason 36:13

So um you know, play with them, see what you think, I guess.

Melanie 36:17

Yeah, so let us know what you think, because that'd be yeah.

Jason 36:19

Yeah, let us know. And you know, if you've you there are others out there, and should you have any experience with any of them, and you know, could say, hey, look, this one's like this for this reason, and can give us a heads up, that'd be great. Well, we love you know to introduce another character on our show. So all right. Well, um, I think we're gonna tie this one back together, and you just uh thank you for everyone's support, uh those that reached out for the AI naming. That was great to get that feedback. And we're glad that Miles has a name now.

Melanie 36:59

Yeah.

Jason 36:59

So, but yeah, um continue to like and review and support the platforms that you encounter our podcasts on. That does help us get out there. Um, you know, visit our website. We've got some unique merchandise out there. Christmas is coming. We've started making some plans ourselves, and uh, we're excited to get some more items out there. And uh, but yeah, I think unplugging for now.

Melanie 37:26

But always stay connected.