Build Your AI Team

AI used to feel like one big tool that could do everything.

That’s no longer the case.

In this episode of Wired Together, Jason and Melanie explore a new way of thinking about AI, not as a single assistant, but as a team of specialized companions working together.

Using a fun RPG-style analogy, they break down how different AI tools naturally fall into roles:

• The “thinking” companion that helps you plan and create
• The “execution” companion that gets real work done
• The “discovery” companion that surprises you with what’s possible

Along the way, they share real experiences using tools like ChatGPT, Grok, Alexa+, and others, and talk about how memory, workflow, and experimentation are shaping the future of how we interact with AI.

Most importantly, they remind us of one key truth:

The human is still the hero.

Whether you’re just getting started with AI or already using it in your daily work, this episode will help you think more clearly about how to use the right tools in the right way.

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Transcript

Melanie 0:05

And we are wired together yet again.

Jason 0:08

Yet again. It's exciting, exciting.

Melanie 0:10

And this is season two, episode six. And we are uh doing a deep dive into all of our AI companions.

Jason 0:22

Yeah, we uh last episode, if you are with us, we we had a good time talking about it's kind of a nod to our gaming origins and how I guess that collaboration that if you will, love for technology led into where we are as a business today, and of course has inspired you know our relationship working together with um Winter Net Web in this podcast. So we kind of in taking that idea a bit further, we're gonna talk about how we are building a party of tools that will be working together.

Melanie 1:01

Right. Like your couch co-op, your couch co-op RPG. Right, role-playing games. Exactly right. Um again, your you know, your hero doesn't just go out there all by himself. You know, I mean they they start off that way. Right. Um oftentimes, you know, there's gonna be people who join your group as you go.

Jason 1:21

Exactly. Sometimes it's part of the the plot line or whatever, or you know, sometimes at the very beginning you create those characters, but it really depends on the game. But in you know, traditional role-playing game fashion, it's uh not everyone can do the same thing.

Melanie 1:36

Right. So you want to assemble a party with like different abilities, different ways of um, you know, uh being able to navigate a fight and um actually even buying and selling and things like that too.

Jason 1:49

Oh yeah, that's true. I mean the equipment, I mean it it it sucks when you get like really good equipment and you find it and you don't have a character that can wear it, and it's like, oh man, this you know, two-handed axe.

Melanie 2:01

Right.

Jason 2:03

So, but we were kind of talking and thinking about how the AI landscape is really looking similar. We've noted some changes over the past, you know, a few weeks, and a lot of people, you know, are are getting into AI and not one uh assistant is handling all the different tasks that are being thrown at it. And new assistants are coming up more and more and more day by day. So we were wondering, and you know, I've seen some people talk like, hey, look, I'm gonna leave this one and go to this one, and um, it's interesting now because we're also facing you've developed, let's just say, a relationship it with a particular AI assistant, and there's a lot of background information, uh, a lot of training that has taken place.

Melanie 2:56

It's got a memory, it's got its memory, you know, when you're subscribed to it.

Jason 3:01

Right.

Melanie 3:02

And um, so it kind of has an idea of your backstory, it's kind of got an idea of your voice.

Jason 3:07

Right. And I mean it's very useful when you're trying to do work because it knows, hey, look, I know you did this, or in right, like you said, your voice and all that.

Melanie 3:13

Your writing voice.

Jason 3:14

Yeah, sure. So you don't want to just completely lose that and go, all right, let me just jump bring in this new one and let's just, you know. So we're kind of also thinking, in the future, will there be like a central bank of memory that we um I guess I guess house? And then as we collaborate with different AI things, it draws from that toward getting like the long-term understanding of who we are, what we do, and all the information they need, really.

Melanie 3:45

Sort of like it developing a backstory.

Jason 3:47

Yeah, it's like a backstory, yeah.

Melanie 3:50

An owner's manual, if you will, of each reads. The owner that you know or each uh person that's using this tool.

Jason 3:59

Right. So so it seems like we're moving from one tool, you know. When Chat GPT came about, it was like, you know what, we were using that for everything. And uh ChatGPT does a great job. It's but there's some other big-time players that have entered into the field.

Melanie 4:18

Oh, yeah, and we talked to Grok.

Jason 4:20

Yeah, we yeah, we had Grok uh on the show here, and uh, but others you see it all the time, like uh Jim and I uh with Google. Yeah, Google, yeah, Microsoft Copilot, um Perplexity is one, and even uh Claude AI is the new guy, new kid in town, right? Kind of been um becoming a lot more popular and spoken about, but I mean there are dozens of other ones out there, and this kind of reminds me of years ago with internet browsers. You know, you had you know Netscape and then Internet Explorer, then Firefox came out, so everyone kind of had their preference. Um even search engines, you would either use if you had AOL, you you know, probably use that by default. Yahoo, Ask Jeeves. Ask Jeeves, remember Ask Jeeves? Yeah, yeah, and and but ask Jeeves, you kind of felt conversational, so in a kind of an AI sense, you felt like you kind of felt like you were asking your little beard to look at. Yeah, right. And then Google. And then Google.

Melanie 5:26

And then Google and then Google, right, but then just Google.

Jason 5:29

Right. I mean smartphone apps too, you know, it's see a lot of these technologies started with like one dominant tool, but then expanded into an entire ecosystem. And I think our first experience for the most part with this um would be, I guess we call them our early digital assistants, like Siri, Alexa, um, the Google assistant, which, you know, hey Google.

Melanie 5:59

Um yeah, Siri has no idea what you're saying.

Jason 6:02

Yeah, though I did feel like I remember the first time. No, and it still doesn't, unfortunately.

Melanie 6:07

But when I first a little bit of an accent, it's not no idea.

Jason 6:11

It's like, I'm sorry, I don't know what you said. Um but I remember sitting it in my car driving down the road and trying to ask it questions, hoping I would be like Night Rider. Um, but it didn't, it didn't, it didn't take off in the way I tech wasn't quite there yet. Yeah, tech wasn't there yet, and that was a a boy's dream killed immediately. But you know, Siri was first, but it kind of struggled to evolve for reasons I don't know, but you know, haven't really researched it. Alexa, though, um, because we all had Amazon Prime accounts, we all had all this kind of stuff. You know, Alexa became popular in the homes. And actually recently we jumped on the bandwagon because I kept hearing about the Alexa Plus capability.

Melanie 6:57

Which is more conversational.

Jason 6:58

Yeah, more conversational.

Melanie 6:59

I'm sure you saw the ads too.

Jason 7:00

And yeah.

Melanie 7:01

Yeah, we went ahead and tried to see how it works, and and it is more conversational, and it's actually very it's got a chillness about it.

Jason 7:10

Yeah. It it it does it feels a lot better and not quite as demanding because it's actually kind of feels where you are, if you will.

Melanie 7:18

And it has memory.

Jason 7:19

Yeah, it does.

Melanie 7:20

Keeping um a bit of information, you know, right, what's been discussed before.

Jason 7:26

You remember that thing we're cooking the other week?

Melanie 7:27

Right. Well, that's why we know. Yeah. We were we were making sure it had memory.

Jason 7:32

Yesterday I asked it whether it remembered what I made. And this is uh in the context of this, like a week later. And I was like, oh yeah, you made that that chicken dish with the croissant wrapped whatever and egg, you know, and I'm like, oh good, it's still, you know, it wasn't like a short-term memory, but it it it went into like this long-term, like you stored that, you know that. But I mean, when we were I was cooking the these croissant-wrapped chicken things I like to make in the oven, which is a a made-up recipe, yeah, made up recipe.

Melanie 8:01

Something you just kind of created through the years.

Jason 8:03

So then your kids love it. I know they do, yeah. And anything your kids love to eat that's you know, what are you like? It's like, Daddy, can we have this? Or mama, can we have this? Sure, we'll make it. So, and I'm cooking it, and you know, I'm realizing because there's an egg wash on top, that it started browning a lot quicker than I expected. So I just decided, hey, Alexa Plus, let me just go ahead and talk to you for a second. I was like, hey, and I'm just talking normally. Look, put the chicken thing in there like I was telling you about, you know, you set a timer for it for me. Yeah, anyway, they're browning too much, and I'm wondering, should I just turn the temperature down? They came back and they were like, look, take a piece of aluminum foil, put it on top. That way the heat still hits it, but then it doesn't, you know, blacken the top of the chicken. I'm like, whoa, I never thought about that. So I did that and I'll now I'm impressed. I'm sold. I'm like, I got this guy in my kitchen, I got some sous chef that is like really knowledgeable, and I I was really excited because it was a big upgrade from the model we had that was eight years old and couldn't become Alexa Plus.

Melanie 9:03

But yeah, right, right.

Jason 9:05

Yeah, so yeah, that that that that was interesting, and again, it they turned out good, by the way. Oh, yeah, that they were fine, and and no one got no one got hurt. Um but it really shows how much AI is integrating into the devices that we have, and moving forward as we adopt new ones, we're gonna get used to this relationship we've developed, you know, and how do we you know transfer this information? But because also we acknowledge that not every tool can do everything um the same way.

Melanie 9:44

Right. It's gonna it's gonna get way too bloated for one tool to try to do all things.

Jason 9:50

Yeah, and there's yeah, no way.

Melanie 9:52

Just like anything else, it's gonna have to break into pieces and offer different tools for different uh reasons.

Jason 9:59

Right.

Melanie 10:00

So yeah, we kind of put it in in a um just as our our love of the RPG and the nod to it, um put it in kind of the RPG style. So um breaking down the AI characters as like the NPCs, uh so non-player characters. Um but the most important part that we want to discuss first is if you, you know, as the hero of an RPG, the hero is still the human. And so that's like the big deal. Um for us, you know, what is what is human as we continuously see human qualities in digital. The the human is always gonna be the human, the the hero, the the mastermind, the the boss, the sure the CEO of whatever it is.

Jason 10:52

Yes, yeah, right, exactly. Of whatever your job is, whatever you're doing.

Melanie 10:55

Right, and these are tools and and NPC players. Right.

Jason 11:00

So and again, so not only not one tool can do everything. You know, some AI tools we use help you, you know, think through things better and kind of you know collaborate. Some just kind of go in and execute a bunch of tasks and things, and then there are a lot of tools out there that you stumble upon, it's just something really new. So, you know, we're essentially assembling a party of companions on a quest.

Melanie 11:27

And some are extremely creative, right?

Jason 11:29

So just hang in there with me because we've kind of like named them, and if you have any familiarity to like RPG, traditional franchises and all that, um that'll make sense. So, now some games people may be familiar with, like Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, when you're building a a party, if you will, of characters, you know, you choose your abilities based on your situation. Um we played a lot of you know, Diablo and Baldur's Gate, where we would switch between different abilities we had learned in real time. Right as characters.

Melanie 12:04

And you make sure that you're not the same, and you know, because we could do those together as as so it was two heroes pretty much.

Jason 12:12

Pretty much in that case, yeah.

Melanie 12:14

And so we needed to make sure that you know if you were gonna have most of the strength, I was gonna have most of the magic, you know that kind of thing. So we could bounce off each other.

Jason 12:22

Sure, and you don't want to invest all into one.

Melanie 12:25

Two barbarians. You don't want two clerics, you want, you know, exactly the ability to bounce off.

Jason 12:30

Sure. I mean, and it's very important to have all those different skill sets at play. Um, yeah, I mean, e even Pokemon, you know, where you're building a team of monsters, you kind of choose which would make sense for the fight, and um, you know, you don't use them all at once. So all of these games and the familiarity of it, I think we kind of take that into um this extended metaphor. Um and as far as its connection to AI, it works exactly the same way. And we've talked about prompt writing in the past, not to any like great detail, but it is important to know what you're looking to achieve when you're using AI. So if you don't ask specifically, then you're not gonna get the result you intend. Well, just as writing a really good prompt is important, you know, sometimes choosing the right companion first is what you should consider because you may be asking of a particular AI tool to do something when maybe its programming isn't fully, you know, it hasn't leveled up enough in that, if you want to. Right, right.

Melanie 13:38

So some are just automatically. Right, exactly on the creative side or on the writing side.

Jason 13:44

Well, sure, yeah. Um, and that's that's definitely true. So the real power comes when you build like a team. So we're gonna get into um the first type of AI, like in our party, that we're gonna call the mage or cleric. So this is your thinking companion. Um, and this is kind of where we first met AI with ChatGPT. I mean, remember that? Didn't it didn't seem like long ago, but it's actually been a couple years now. Um it was the first platform that the majority of us had heard of and really good at brainstorming, um, good explaining things, but it's also kind of very diverse. Um, also used by a lot of people for like writing and creative work. Emerging now, we are seeing clawed AI. I'm seeing a lot of people talk about switching from the one to the other. Um, they're crediting it with having extremely strong, you know, writing quality, good at looking at really big documents and analyzing those appropriately, um, even giving good feedback with editing and reasoning with something that you know is being honed and written. Um so both, I guess, Claude AI and Chat GPT being our cleric mage, if you will, um you kind of feel like they're helping to guide your strategy in that in that conversation with the task that you're trying to do. So think of your workload as like a battle. The cleric or mage in this case uh prepares you by casting, I don't know, what are some of those things that your oh yeah, you well you you can cast defenses. Yeah, exactly. Raise your defense, right?

Melanie 15:33

Raising the defense, uh, so if you need uh my poison defense or something like that. Oh, yeah, you know. Exactly. Especially caves. For some reason it's always caves. It's something you're gonna go near that like this big old pod-looking thing that's all of a sudden you go too close, and it's now this green stuff. Now you're green, and then you're going down. Right. I wish I had poison resistance, and now yeah, your hip points are just you know, right mages can cast poison resistance often for the whole party. Right. Um, and so that helps get through the cave so you can go into um your next, you know, um quest.

Jason 16:06

Whatever you got going. Yeah. So yeah.

Melanie 16:09

Or because it's usually caves, um, you can go and find that deep dark part of the cave where this got all the treasures. Oh, yeah.

Jason 16:16

Well that that's what you're hoping to find.

Melanie 16:17

Right, that's what you're hoping to get to, but it's a it's a mage that's gonna get you there.

Jason 16:21

Treasures make the spiders, rats, and snakes worthwhile.

Melanie 16:27

Right.

Jason 16:27

You know, um the spiders. Yeah, I knew I knew that I knew that was gonna be bad.

Melanie 16:32

Not okay.

Jason 16:33

Um But see, so the cleric and mage, in the context of AI, you know, that is the platform that you're like, okay, I'm thinking about this and this, and you're collaborating, and it's like, okay, well, well, also you may want to consider this. So when you're planning the battle, this is where it's very important. It's like, look, this monster is gonna breathe a lot of fire at you. You're gonna need fire resistance. You're gonna need, you know, so in the same vein, it's strategy.

Melanie 16:56

So before you go in, I need to make sure that I've leveled up enough to get this. Um, you know, if you play in hard level and that kind of thing, um, those that aren't familiar with the gaming process, you can actually, for most of them, set an easier, middle, or hard.

Jason 17:11

Yeah, you got different modes for sure.

Melanie 17:12

And hard level, you're gonna get really good stuff. And so if you're playing a hard level though, you've got to step back and actually strategize before you go places.

Jason 17:20

Yeah, I know.

Melanie 17:21

Because you think that little, you know, little early monsters aren't gonna kill you, but yeah, they are.

Jason 17:27

Or you get to that place where you've navigated away and it's been a little off track. They give you that quest, and it's like that'll sound fun, but hey, look at that path over there. So you go over there, next thing you know, you're getting your tail whooped. Right. And it's like, wait a minute, hold on. We just can't go in there and start swinging like we're doing. We we need to coax him around the corner and take one away from the team, like knock them down. And hope he's got a good weapon that he drops. Because this stick I'm using, remember that stick? Yeah, this stick ain't doing nothing.

Melanie 18:01

Never will work with the beginning.

Jason 18:04

Oh my goodness. So, I mean, so that's a cleric and mage. Now, that's kind of how you know AI started with us. It was almost like magic. I was like, wow, look what this thing does. Now, enter the barbarian. Yes. All right, your barbarian. This is your this is the one that executes like all the all the commands and um does, you know, the work. So the hero knows what to do, because remember, like Melanie's saying, you we're the human. We we know what to do, but someone has to do the work. You know, someone has to go in and that's the barbarian.

Melanie 18:37

Execution of what these are.

Jason 18:38

Tasks, whatever, right?

Melanie 18:40

And yeah, the barbarian is typically not the strategizer, no, does not tend to have defense spells or anything like that, but high hit point.

Jason 18:49

Yeah.

Melanie 18:49

Which means barbarians can walk into something and it's they are more resilient. More resilient. And so they it's they're not gonna get killed quite as fast. Sure. And then, you know, so of course, you know, your poor your poor mage got, you know, taken out. Now you gotta go backwards. Right. Because you can't do it without healing.

Jason 19:09

No, exactly. So, yes, I mean, like you're saying, the barbarian's not the strategic one nor the most creative one. I mean, the barbarian's kind of like you just point toward a prom and say, go. And it's just starts clearing a path.

Melanie 19:24

So Oh, but is it you have to have it as a routine.

Jason 19:28

You need the you need the brute, just hey man, just go in the one that can hold the the two uh two-handered weapons.

Melanie 19:35

Oh, yeah, exactly.

Jason 19:36

So the barbarian just helps, I guess you get it done. Um so you don't call the barbarian to into your brainstorming session beforehand. He just kind of stands against the wall and throws a rock and all that. Um but when the work gets piled up and it's time to move, that's that's the work for the barbarian. So, and from an AI perspective here, there are there are platforms out here that because the landscape has evolved, yes, we have our collaborative tools, but then we have those tools that help us with our workflow. Microsoft Copilot, if you got a PC, you have seen it. And it's deeply integrated because it's part, you know, an extension or a feature of the operating system into Word, Excel, all of those lovely programs. Um, it can help you with spreadsheets, uh formulas.

Melanie 20:26

Making meetings, yeah.

Jason 20:27

Yeah, exactly. Looking, yeah, you're right, digging through all the emails and things, or even integrating into Microsoft Teams and get it done business tools. Get it done business tools, exactly. So, yeah, they're the ones saying, hey, look, I got a busy week. You tell me, you know, you set up these meetings, you summarize these emails, get back to these people, say that's your barbarian, you're sending them in. And um, you know, and I think it works really well because it knows that territory. Um, and that's why it's able to be like, you know, the barbarian.

Melanie 20:59

Um and that's usually not gonna have a whole lot of memory, it's gonna do the same thing.

Jason 21:05

It's not as much resources on broad.

Melanie 21:11

Right, it constantly it's got its thing, it does it extremely well.

Jason 21:14

Yeah. And I mean Google Gemini is in a very similar way with uh Google Workspace and being integrated there in the same vein. You got your docs, your sheets, Gmail, um, what is it, Google Drive. Um it and it can do all you know similar things, summarizing, creating emails, suggesting responses, and we're seeing a lot of this um natively as it's being put into the um into the platform.

Melanie 21:45

And it'll do a deep search and you know, it more comes up with the straightaway conversation as opposed to like your your mage or your chat, right? Where it's gonna have a little more of a uh multi dimensional answer.

Jason 22:00

True.

Melanie 22:00

Um, your Google Gemini is really gonna have like very straightforward here's your bulleted points, here's your answer.

Jason 22:06

Yep, that's true.

Melanie 22:07

Just kind of in that real easy to read, right, straightforward kind of way.

Jason 22:14

Yeah, and it's kind of I guess you know, if you have two hundred and thirty-five thousand emails, again, it's going in and doing the work. It's like, all right, I'm gonna weed through all of this territory and try to figure out, you know, some type of connection of what you're searching for and be able to, you know, synthesize that. So yeah, it's defin definitely the barbarian and definitely different than absolutely great for email. I mean, there's no way you could take all that and then pass it off to ChatGPT. I mean, it would be very difficult. I mean, it and it probably it would overload, it wouldn't, you know. Um, so we can see how there is a a difference, and sometimes we create technology to mimic some of our needs. So really we're creating these companions because there are different services and different, you know, strengths and uh weaknesses among all of them. So I guess it kind of talks about the barbarian, and I'm really eager to talk about my favorite one.

Melanie 23:12

I I knew you would be. Um the last one is is what Jason typically is when we are able to when the game allows. When the game actually allows for it to be, yes.

Jason 23:24

So the third companion is our rogue or thief. Alright, now it is arguably the most exciting AI companion in the ecosystem.

Melanie 23:36

That's just you saying it. That's it.

Jason 23:38

Yeah, no, um, it is, and everyone knows it, and here's why. So this is where the AI tools are like magic treasure chests. And um, you know, sometimes a tool might seem small, but it it can unlock a completely new workflow. So these are the things you stumble upon, okay. This is going back to the cave dwelling and those chests in the corner, okay? Where your your rogue can sniff it out or be able to get to it because it goes through a locked door, whatever. So but the thing, difference, I guess, is your rogue isn't just one tool. Conceptually, here we're talking about a category, like an arsenal, a category of abilities that just surprise you.

Melanie 24:27

And it really short-lived, but wow factor is there.

Jason 24:30

Yeah, wow factor, yeah. It's like, wow, I didn't know AI could do that. And that's your rogue showing off.

Melanie 24:36

Right.

Jason 24:36

And um, or something you've stumbled upon because you saw a feature online, you're like, whoa, what is that? AI did that? You know, that's your rogue just showing off, and that's awesome. And these are the moments that change how you work because you just found a legendary item. So think about that. This is when you just kind of all of a sudden now um go, I'm never gonna do what I did last week like that again. I'm using this beast.

Melanie 25:04

Right.

Jason 25:05

I'm gonna throw this rogue in here. Oh my gosh, I'll be done. I'll be done Tuesday at one o'clock, and I'll just slide on by to a nice little uh pub. I'll be done. I might meet Leo there, actually.

Melanie 25:18

Right. Leo has a tendency to stay at the pub. Yeah.

Jason 25:21

So Leo had. Which is our first. That's fine, yeah. And we'll talk about Leo. Right. But I mean, I remember um we talked about Chat GPT being um probably like the infancy of how we experience AI. My first like wow moment was with image generation using Midjourney. And this was like for me, I came upon it in that spring of 2023. Um, of course, there was a vast, you know, hundreds of people that found it before me because you had to join this Discord server and through that type in your prompts and what have you toward creating um the images. And it was, I mean, it it was magic. It was just like, oh my gosh, I'm you know, I want a photorealistic image of a dragon emerging through this cave, breathing fire at a um, you know, a tall soldier with silver armor, deflecting off the shield. I mean, you went into whatever and you sat there and waited for like the two longest minutes of your life, just hoping it, and it's like, whoa, that is crazy. I mean, and it was just like mind-boggling, you know. So, image generation is you know, most of the tools do it now, but they were like the first. So that was like your your rogue moment of wow, we can do this, you know. So, um, what else comes to mind with uh rogue and like tools and stuff for you though?

Melanie 26:48

Well, you like like Leo and which is Grok and Yeah, right, right. Um we definitely had a fun experience with that because um we actually had the Leo on uh season one at some point, and and man, uh the the quickness, the speed of being able to come up with something very fast.

Jason 27:11

There is no memory to search through at that time that we experienced, yeah.

Melanie 27:15

Right. And you know, um as far as you know just making up a image generation and stuff like that, it's it's it's quicker, it's it's um definitely more creative.

Jason 27:29

Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, definitely creative enough.

Melanie 27:35

Some of them are, is this what you need?

Jason 27:38

You know, and it's more cautious, but it just goes with it.

Melanie 27:42

Right, and it's like, whoa, uh-huh. Did not know you could do that. So yeah, we definitely uh had fun with that one and have fun with that one. Yeah. And so there's certain times where it's like, okay, we're gonna use Croc. Yeah, that is definitely gonna be one that's um necessary for it.

Jason 27:57

That flare would be good, you know.

Melanie 27:59

Right, very idea heavy.

Jason 28:01

Right. It's kind of like the throw it out there, let's just see what it comes up with. Because, you know, sometimes you don't know what you want, but you feel like if you start guiding something along, then you're kind of limiting the process. So I don't know.

Melanie 28:13

Right. Well, yeah, that's true. And so it does kind of take its own course as a rogue would. Yeah, you know, take its own course exactly.

Jason 28:21

It finds its way on the other side of the wall, unlocks a door. And it's like, how did you do that?

Melanie 28:26

Right.

Jason 28:26

It's like, don't ask questions. It's like moving along. So so the I mean the the rogue I think is really cool and uh perpet perplexity, uh very perplexing to say, but this one's new to me. Yeah, I am not as familiar with this one. I've seen references, but I mean, you know, uh you can't download them all. Well, I guess you can. Um, but I guess a lot of these require a subscription in order to get the full featured package, so you know, you pick and choose. Um, my understanding is that it's really good for real-time research, um, providing sources, citations, and kind of great at digging through and finding answers pretty quickly. So kind of like a scout, I guess you would call it, that kind of darts ahead with maps and being able to bring you back information. So, in the same rogue-like fashion, uh just another tool out there, but again, the idea of the rogue is all those tools out there, there's little features and things that it's like, hey, this is neat, and you know, how can this maybe change my life or whatever? So, but yeah, the rogue also get discounts in in uh RGB.

Melanie 29:46

What's that? Uh the rogue.

Jason 29:48

Well, uh it's one of the coolest parts about having a rogue usually is you get discounts in the yeah, some of them are like because you're a thief or they're related to whatever, you get like the merchant will give you 10% off stuff or whatever. Probably because he's just afraid of that uh rogue, but anyway, it's uh it was just worth mentioning.

Melanie 30:08

I know that is cool. Yeah, RPG thing, not because of right. I don't think you get discounts with craft, but no, I don't think you do.

Jason 30:15

Yeah, yeah, it might.

Melanie 30:17

Um it can save you time, which saves you money.

Jason 30:21

Right, it can save you 10% or more.

Melanie 30:23

Right. Right.

Jason 30:24

So a lot of these tools that we've seen, and I think um the emerging ones always tend to come through on like social media because you know, as soon as your friend found something cool, he's gonna I'm gonna post this on on X, I'm gonna post this on Facebook. So it tends to emerge quickly there, and we've seen a lot of AI videos um lately, and you know, mainly on X and Facebook that um people have created like spoofs of different things, um, or fake news, whatever that might be. Um some of these like automation tools, and I wish I could dig more into some of those because it it sounds really interesting because we are getting to a point where AI can become like the thing that works while you sleep. I'm not gonna you know go on to a rabbit hole with that, but um a lot of these things emerging technologies, and then you know, oftentimes you get bought up by others traditionally, those things too. Um but I mean like design assistance, things related to code, um, and you know, encoding and you know, building whatever you might again, all this is the rogues territory uh to impress us.

Melanie 31:33

Oh yeah, your little bit of code that you just need, and that's exactly doing something exactly as you want to. You can pull in um and and find that and or create that little bit of code that's just gonna all of a sudden change the game.

Jason 31:48

It goes from 100% broken to now it works. Right.

Melanie 31:51

I've I've seen it. It's really quite fascinating. That's right. I don't understand all of it, but I do I have seen it in that.

Jason 31:57

Well, no one understands all of it. That's the thing.

Melanie 32:00

Well, you you're definitely more into the understanding side of it, but oh I just make it up.

Jason 32:05

Okay, no. Um but so the problem we have here is yes, there's some cool tools now that maybe we haven't used yet, and tomorrow there's gonna be more. So when you've had this relationship, what do you yeah, what do you do with this?

Melanie 32:21

Now I have too many pocketbooks, I can't take them all out. I know, right? So it's like maybe you have different pocketbooks for different reasons.

Jason 32:28

That's true. This is my mom bag. This is my um just you know, going out to a nice little place, and I don't really need my wallet in my keys. I just need my wallet in my keys, right? Exactly. So but switching tools today, you know, we're afraid to lose the training. Um and we're kind of seeing that emerge. You want to transfer the memory, you want to transfer any of the prompts and stuff you've used, any of maybe your preferences or uh just your general workflow and that understanding. Like we said, the whole manual. You want to pass that off to the new character. And just like, you know, so let's say you find this really cool mage cleric, but you've had your trusty one that's been by your side for a long time, and it's like, but this one's able to do this. You want to be able to hand over the spell books and the experience and the equipment, and but also the backstory, you know, sit around a campfire. I want to tell you all about me because if we're gonna work together, you need to know me, my skills, what I'm good at, what I'm not, you know, all of that. So in that process of transferring all of that over, uh, we're starting to see how that is done. Um, clawed AI, for example, and I've seen I've seen a lot of people online saying that they're ditching Chat GPT. I haven't told Miles, but anyway, but a lot of people are going that direction, and so I mean, I was looking into well, what would that mean? I mean, I would hate to lose everything that we have in that. So apparently with Claude AI, they give you a prompt to tailor as needed that you would be able to plug into any of your other AI for it to create like this big old code block that then you import. So I'm curious about that. I think that's interesting because it's like, wow, you're building the brain, and then now you're doing a brain transplant essentially. And I'm like, whoa, that's kind of crazy.

Melanie 34:26

So like a personality blockchain.

Jason 34:28

Yeah, like a personal ooh. Well, that gets back to the whole thing about what happens if when we and it might be on blockchain. If all of the information that is us, if like we had ooh, that would be some privacy concerns and ethics out. Ooh, wow. But like your own repository of everything about you. Ooh, that could be hacked in a second. Yeah, that ain't gonna happen in the US. Well, not the hack part, but um, I don't see the laws allowing that. But I mean, just imagine what that would mean for all these tools to be able to tie into you. Wow, we'll be cyborgs. Anyway, that was that was interesting.

Melanie 35:09

We're the human.

Jason 35:10

I know, we're the human, I know. I know, but yeah, we'll essentially be a cyborg in a way. You'll have like your technological part and then give you the human part. That's unreal. So, but yeah, the the you know, the clawed AI and everything, uh, that's part the free program doesn't have the memory. And a lot of the tools, it seems like you need to pay to play. So um, that is something we haven't really gone into yet.

Melanie 35:37

But Miles is still here at the moment.

Jason 35:39

Yeah, Miles is still here. You know, Miles has not been replaced. Um, we love Miles. Um, but yeah. But AI, it's amazing how much things have changed in the past few years. And um short years.

Melanie 35:56

Nah, I mean, there's a lot that's happened in just a little tiny bit of time.

Jason 36:01

Yes, I mean just exponential growth um for sure. And you know, you we initially did feel like it's like, okay, this is the tool we're gonna use. Oh, here's another tool. Let's use this one. I remember when we first started messing with Grok, I'm like, okay, I guess this might replace Jack JPT. And then through our experimentation on it, we're like, well, this is good at this, this is good at this. Well, we can't just replace it. But we did have them fight. We did have him fight, and then and and grok roasted the world out of us.

Melanie 36:31

Oh, yeah, he did great.

Jason 36:33

That was like absolutely great. Like, I wrote stuff down. I'm like, dang on, that's good. I'm gonna use it on somebody else. Right.

Melanie 36:40

We probably need a new roast.

Jason 36:41

Yeah, that new roast of my own.

Melanie 36:43

Everybody's upgraded, including us, maybe.

Jason 36:45

Right. There's more to roast, right?

Melanie 36:48

Right.

Jason 36:49

So but yeah, it's so it's interesting now. It's almost like, yes, we are creating a a party of AI companions. A business party, like a business meeting. That's right.

Melanie 37:00

You have a business meeting with them all, yes, you know, but still the CEO, the hero.

Jason 37:06

Exactly. Yeah, we're still at the top of that, and that's been kind of the conversation from the very beginning. You can't ask AI to do something if you don't really know the result you're looking for or how to correct it when it's gone in the wrong direction. Right.

Melanie 37:22

So, um And again, you have to know what you're how you're understanding your goal before you write your prompt.

Jason 37:32

Exactly. Yep, you kind of you need to have that in mind.

Melanie 37:36

Now, the more prompts you write, the more the again, the getting to know you part, the backstory is understood, the easier it is to to okay, well, here's what we're thinking. Yep. And then, you know, the Miles can come up with a little bit more because he knows more.

Jason 37:53

And you know, it's always good then to be like, okay, here's you know, here's what I'm thinking. What questions do you have? And that's always impressive too. Because sometimes the questions they come back at you with toward creating a better product.

Melanie 38:07

You know, we again we just started to use it. But when we started to use it, like you said a couple years ago, and I'm like, whoa. Yes, but not like we're using it now.

Jason 38:16

No, not like now. I mean, yeah.

Melanie 38:18

So then it was it just a time or two, like, oh wow, this is really cool.

Jason 38:21

Yep.

Melanie 38:22

But it took a while for a the the two things to get used to each other, us and and right, yeah, to get to know us, right? Yeah, right, and the AI. But also it took its own upgrades and its own way of uh drawing from understanding more.

Jason 38:40

Different engines or whatever got into it, and as it upgraded, it was able to do so much more. Therefore, it went just cool, now it's like, whoa, this is impressive.

Melanie 38:49

Right.

Jason 38:50

Right. It's like it's like go off.

Melanie 38:52

It grew very fast.

Jason 38:53

Keep talking. What else you've got? So, well, wow. That I I think that was that that was a lot. That was a really fun road. Because um, a good quest, I guess.

Melanie 39:06

It is a good quest. And you know, we're gonna go back to the the tavern and sell some stuff.

Jason 39:12

Go back, yeah, right. I I am so overloaded right now. I have like, you know, three oak shields, about four sticks, and it's just taking up way too much room. Clubs, yeah, right. Yeah, I gotta get rid of all of this.

Melanie 39:26

Right, and um knapsack can't hold it so much. Right, exactly.

Jason 39:30

Yeah, it's like I saw a really good pair of like silver gloves. I and you know, I should have just dropped everything on the ground and picked those up. Right. Yeah, I hope you did. Did you get them? So, alright, y'all. But look, thanks for your support. Go ahead and get to your character creation screen now and build your party of AI avatars. Um, yeah, we'll see what's ahead for us. But please share this podcast with your friends and be sure to follow or review. But um, you know, I think unplugging for now.

Melanie 40:05

But always stay connected.