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Vibe Circle with Daisy, Rachel and Alanna

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This week on The Naturist Vibe, we’re bringing you a special audio episode, The Vibe Circle, in honor of Women’s Month. Join us for a dynamic roundtable featuring Daisy of Naked Newbies, Rachel The Creator, and Alanna, owner of Bare Skin Yoga, as they come together for vibrant conversation, shared perspectives, and plenty of laughs.

To keep the energy high, the trio takes on a fun round of Naturist True or False, playing on behalf of our listeners. The winner of the game earns a prize for one lucky member of the TNV Tribe, including a $50 Visa gift card, a TNV t-shirt, and a TNV sticker.

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Gabby

Welcome back TMV Tribe to another episode of the Nats Vibe. I am Gabby the Crown Nudie. We are still in March, so of course we had to do something special for Women's month and today I'm really excited because we've got two amazing women joining us. We have Alana. She's a NA owner of Bare Skin Yoga in Atlanta and host of the Wellness Vibe, and we also have Rachel the Creator. She's also a NA model influencer, photographer, and host of the culture vibe here on TMV. I'm so happy to have you two here to celebrate Women's Month with us.

Rachel

Hi, TNV Tribe.

Alanna

Hey, TNV Tribe, good to be back.

Gabby

What you've been up to lately?

Alanna

You both know, but the tribe doesn't know. So my business page, bare Skin yoga was deleted from Instagram. Yeah. Somebody had been reporting my page. So I'm in the process of pivoting and we working how I want to put that out there.. I have a new page. You could follow it. It's Bare Skin Yoga atl and then number two. So that has been stressful because mm-hmm. I gotta go find it all, getting all my followers back.'cause I had a lot of momentum on that page, so Yeah. Yeah. You

Gabby

had like over six K followers.

Alanna

Yeah, and I had more than that, but I was going through deleting people. So I think maybe some people got upset'cause I deleted them.'cause just like for ethical reasons, people were there for the wrong reasons. So I was going through followers and deleting them and I think somebody got mad and reported the page, it's all good. I'm excited though because, next month will be the two year anniversary of Bare Skin Yoga. Ooh. So I felt like that happened at a time where it's time for me to pivot anyway, so yeah, I'm just trying to look at it, in a more positive outlook. Just, doing things a little bit differently.

Gabby

Are you on Blue Sky by any chance?

Alanna

I'm not. Some, um, someone else mentioned Blue Sky to me, so I have, um, I need to figure out more about what it's about, but a couple people had mentioned Blue Sky to me.

Gabby

Blue Sky is a bit more lenient and a more accommodating to nudist profiles. Mm-hmm. And, you're not gonna get deleted because of photos or videos of you practicing nude yoga, which has been really helpful. Instagram is a bit annoying, especially when you wanna post content. You always have to blur, you always have to do little things to beat the robots that confuse naturism with sexual activity,

right?

Gabby

It's so

Rachel

sad because it's other people who are actually promoting sexual content, which is in the rules, are still up. And we're,

Gabby

that's, it's a double, double standard. It's double standard. And a lot of people feel that maybe it's coming from two different perspectives like. We're still dealing with stigmas around certain body types that are not conforming to mainstream standards of beauty. And then there's also this confusion, that nudity equals sex when that isn't inherently the case, right? You actually have to care to understand these nuances. This is always gonna be like a never ending battle with social media.

Alanna

I think that was my biggest issue that I was frustrated with because I'm like, I see so much sexual stuff on here that's new. Mm-hmm. But because, I don't know if it's because of the way my poses were. I don't know, but I'm like, I'm just doing yoga. I'm not doing

Gabby

Yeah, you're just doing yoga. Yeah, exactly. And so Rachel, has that ever happened to you?

Rachel

yes. My page last year actually wasn't taken down by Instagram, I guess. Put in jail.'cause they don't let you go live. I've definitely experienced what she's experiencing before.

Gabby

Oh, that's when they shadow ban you?

Rachel

Yeah. Oh,

Gabby

that's it.

Rachel

Yes. Shadow ban. I'm definitely shadow

Gabby

banned. Oh God. And those things happen. I know there are people who continuously have that battle, especially on YouTube as well. Yeah. YouTube, Facebook. Well, instagram is Facebook and,

Rachel

right.

Gabby

On Facebook i've had those warnings about how my profile isn't going to reach as many people because of these warnings, these mm-hmm. Red flags on your page. Yeah. Yeah. And it's always around like a picture of me, which is weird because it's always around a picture that I actually censored.

Rachel

Mm.

Gabby

Does that doesn't even make any sense. Yeah. Right. I actually censored the photo and you're still. Flagging it kind of weird. So

Rachel

that's why I think it, it'd be people, reporting something also.

Alanna

Mm-hmm.

Rachel

Because they don't like it.

Gabby

I feel like a lot of people listening know you both from the show, but they may not really know much about your individual journeys or. How each of you got into Nam. And also, I don't think a lot of people knew that you're actually really good friends, which that was new to me too until after we started working with you guys. Can one of you start and just tell a little bit about yourself, where you grew up, how did you guys meet

Alanna

you wanna go Rachel, or you want me to go?

Gabby

Yeah, you can

Rachel

go. Um, Alana.

Alanna

Okay. So I'm originally from Tennessee. I grew up in a very religious household, but. I've always been like walking around nude, so that didn't come as a surprise to my family. Like my mom tells a story to this day. She was having a party at our house, I think I was like five or six years old, and I came downstairs completely naked and Oh

Rachel

wow.

Alanna

I was just talking to everybody and they was, she was like, go downstairs and put some clothes on. And then I went upstairs and she was like, everybody just was laughing hysterically all night about it this little girl just came downstairs completely naked. And so my parents like to tell this story all the time, and so like me being aist, me having a new yoga business, they're like, we're not surprised. That's up your alley. That sounds like you. Like I said, I always practice at home. But I didn't get into it publicly, until like right after COVID. I started off, modeling. I don't consider myself a model, but I started off as being a new model for different events. So like sipping paints I also, would do, new modeling for different parties or I would be like a body bar, so there'd be like food on top of me and people would just eat the food off of me. So that's how I got into it publicly. And then I started bare Skin Yoga and it just grew from there. But me and Rachel met because she was in Atlanta doing. Some new modeling for a, what did they call it? I forgot what it was called. But basically yeah,

Rachel

life modeling.

Alanna

Yeah, still life modeling. So she was there, doing that and that's how we met. I actually didn't meet her there. My boyfriend is a photographer and he went and met her and like they were doing some shoots together. So then she came to do a shoot and that's when I met her and we've been like pretty close ever since. So she comes in town to do different modeling stuff. We meet to hang out and yes, she's a great friend. It's nice to have met her. Oh, I love her.

Rachel

Oh, I love you too.

Gabby

I love this. And Rachel, share a little bit about yourself too.

Rachel

So I am in a household of just women most of my life. So besides when I went to stay with my father, but, it's just been always just a natural thing to be. Okay with my body around them. And so I've always walked around pretty much in undies And the less I wear, the better. I just feel comfortable, not restricted. And I just got more and more comfortable with that over the years after having kids and I ended up going to, hippie Hollow, and letting it all hang out, because I was really like. Scared of what people would think, what I look like because of my stretch marks. I had something that I had to get over'cause it's something new for me. I didn't have them at first. Yeah, I got way more comfortable and then I was like, you know what? I used to wanna be a model in high school. I tried it out. We actually saw that it was too much money to go to classes for that, so I just never really dived into it until, I decided to become a model again. 30 years old, I went to Hippie Hollow, got naked. Then I ended up getting, a DM from a photographer saying, Hey, I saw you at Hippie Hollow. You seem really open-minded. So he ended up booking me at Hippie Hollow and I did my first shoot ever there.

Gabby

Nice.

Rachel

We're, we're cool to this day as well. That's how I. Alana, like she said, I went out there, he sponsored me to be one of the still life models, and I really feel empowered with my vulnerability when I do the modeling. And so ever since then, it just made me more of a confident person,

Alanna

right?

Rachel

Outspoken rather than timid. I still am sometimes, depending on the setting, but it's really brought me out of my circle of my, bubble is what I should say.

Gabby

That's wonderful and I think you are truly an inspiration to a lot of people when it comes to how they see themselves in the mirror, especially after a life changing experience like becoming a mother. So later on the show, we've got Daisy from naked newbies joining us. I know you two haven't officially met her yet. Maybe just cross paths on social. So I'm really excited for all of you to connect today, but I'm curious. As women in Natures, what's it like meeting other women who also embrace social nudity in a non-sexual space from your perspectives? From my experience, it can be pretty hard, especially living in a major city with little options available and most events or male dominated. So what's it like for you two in your, respective cities?

Alanna

I would say for me, i'll meet more people online than in the city. The people I'm meet met in the city, they're not more, not really naturist, they like being new, but it's more on the sexual side, like the more the kinky community.

Gabby

Yeah.

Alanna

So I don't really fit in with that community. I'm more so just a natures. So that's like the barrier. But I haven't really met any women in the city in a nonsexual way.

Gabby

Right.

Alanna

I haven't had any, I've had trouble meeting those women, but I know they're out there. I just gotta find them.

Gabby

What's the nearest, resort that you're close to

Alanna

Paradise Valley is the closest one. It's like in, I think. Dawsonville, Georgia. It's like an hour and a half away from where I am.

Gabby

Yeah, in the, yeah. I also know about Serendipity Park. Have you ever been there as well?

Alanna

I haven't been there, but I've heard about serendipity too, so I'm planning to visit both of them sometime this summer. I just gotta figure out my schedule so I can go.

Gabby

Let us know dan and I are always open to travel to other n nude resorts. We definitely have Serendipity Park, on our bucket list as well. So if you decide that you wanna go this summer, let us know. And Rachel, you gotta come too.

Rachel

Of course. Let me know the dates. Okay. You

Gabby

know,

Rachel

I

Gabby

like

Rachel

to travel.

Gabby

Yeah we have some TMV tribe people that are in atlanta. And when you actually got into our Discord, Alana, and introduced yourself, there were a few people that were really excited that you were part of it because they're like, is that Alana from Fair Skin Yoga? Oh my God. I always wanted to go to one of her classes.

Alanna

Yeah, that was exciting to see.'cause it's like I don't never know if people have heard about me until like I meet them and they'd be like, oh yeah, I've been following you, or, and I'm like, oh, okay. So it's nice to know like the word is getting out there, that

Gabby

the word is

Alanna

getting out there. Um, but yeah, I spoke with them. I think the only issue was that they were under 21.'cause it is like you have to be 21 plus.

Rachel

Yeah.

Alanna

But as far as going back to the question about women. I would love to meet more women.

Rachel

Right?

Alanna

Funny thing is surprisingly, I meet more men than women. I have a lot of men that come to my classes, right? So in most far surprised,'cause most you don't see a lot of men in yoga spaces, but I, they all come to my classes and I dunno if it's because it's the nudity aspect of it, but. Yeah.

Gabby

Yeah and then for you, Rachel, what's it like meeting other women ISTs in your area? I know you go to Hippie Hollow a lot, so is that a place where you feel like you can connect well with other women? Naturists?

Rachel

Yes, absolutely. You took that right outta my mouth. I was gonna say, I definitely go to the spaces to find more female.

Gabby

Mm-hmm.

Rachel

To relate to. I've also made events before, meaning I post it on Facebook, Hey, I'm going to Hippie Hollow, I'll post the Google picture. And I would tell them what you would need, what to expect. And a few people, I had a whole bunch, it was in a black women's group, and I had a whole bunch of people asking me about this place. I kid you not, I'm thinking, okay, I'm gonna have at least 20 people. No, it was like two people showed up. One of the ladies was down there by herself at the end, but we, we waved to her.

Gabby

Right.

Rachel

And invited her up and said that she can come whenever she feels comfortable. She didn't, but, you wave to'em and then they leave it open. Letting people come at their own pace

Alanna

mm-hmm.

Rachel

In these spaces. So she didn't feel comfortable enough to come up with us. And it was about three of us. I had brought my two friends, and then one of the ladies that came from Facebook, she, we met her at HEB and we drove together.

Gabby

Yeah,

Rachel

so that's the only way I feel like it's easy to connect with people by just posting something and saying, Hey, I'm gonna be here. We can all go together. And then you make arrangements for that. And then I'm always just going to something that's already nude, friendly.

Gabby

Rachel you, are doing photography. Can you share a little bit about.

Rachel

It's actually, I don't own a camera, but the photographer that I work with owns a camera, so he usually, books me to be a naked photographer. If people are listening and they have followed me, you would see, a page called reconstructs. It's with, his name is Earl Ej, a photographer, and he has me taking pictures of a subject, a model, and, it's me naked in the model cloth. And so that's been really fun because the expressions that I've gotten over the years working with him has been really cool. There's a lot of females, of course. Some dudes come to be the model and you can just see how comfortable some people are and how uncomfortable some people are. And you want. The whole point is to get people comfortable enough to take that picture and pose right in front of the camera and break that barrier of the uncom, the uncomfortable, stigmas of people being in front of someone naked. So, right. That is really interesting and it's really fun. And I also am videography behind the scenes with my cell phone, and I do that a lot as well. It's fun. I love it. Like I said, I'm a sweater so I don't have to sweat as much when I have no clothes on. I feel comfortable. It's airy. And you would be surprised how comfortable the people end up really, how they focus on the task at hand and how comfortable they are compared to

Gabby

Yeah.

Rachel

You thinking someone would be very uncomfortable in that setting.

Gabby

That's really amazing and, Alana, what inspired you to start teaching yoga and eventually open your own studio?

Alanna

Wow, so that is a great question because, so I got into yoga, I'm not sure I've told my story on here. So I got into yoga. Because I was diagnosed with PCOS and endometriosis and I wanted to find like a more holistic approach to my healing journey. I didn't wanna have to take a whole bunch of medications. I didn't wanna have to get surgeries. And at the time when I was diagnosed, I was working in corporate America. Desk job sitting at a desk all day. So I wasn't really mobile, I was just very sedentary and my doctor was telling me like, you should do more, you should exercise more. But my body was in so much pain, I didn't wanna do any strenuous exercises, so I was like, I'm just gonna start off by just stretching. And so I would get up every day and stretch. And then I just kind of started flowing with it and I'm like, I love how I feel in my body. So then I started doing more research about like the stuff I was doing. Mm-hmm. And realized I was doing yoga the whole time, and I was like, oh my gosh. So then that kind of turned into an interest in yoga and me wanting to learn more about yoga. And I just started researching about yoga and learning more. And then I was like. I love how this is making me feel. I would love to like show other people how this can be beneficial for them. So then I worked on getting my certification and then once I got my certification, I Bare Skin Yoga kind of came about'cause I was like, I'm a nudist and I don't know anybody doing new yoga. I know there's people out there to do it, but I hadn't heard anybody. So I was like, that's like a whole lane I can like dive into. So that's kind of how, that's how Bearskin Yoga came about and it's been going great ever since.

Gabby

Oh, that's awesome. Thank you for sharing that. Have you encountered anybody else, in the nude yoga space that have a similar story?

Alanna

I would say I've met people that have said like they feel more liberated when they do yoga, nude. And I feel that same way. That's another reason why I began bare skin. It's more liberating. I feel like it's a deeper connection that you have with your physical body.'cause that's what yoga's all about. Just being present in your physical body and your awareness. And when you're new, it makes you really focus on that. That's how it came about. I've met other people that practice new yoga. They would say more so say like they do it at home. They're not really comfortable in public spaces.

Rachel

Right.

Alanna

And then I know there's another guy here in Atlanta. He has a new yoga class, they call it, freedom Yoga. He does like once a month. And when I first started my business, I had a few people that came from his class and they was like, oh yeah, have you heard of Freedom Yoga? And I was like, no, I've never heard of it. To know that it was people already in that community and just grabbing those people and then them telling more people about my classes and then like it got more momentum.'cause I do my class every week. So

Gabby

Nice, nice

Alanna

people. Find it out

Gabby

and um. Oh, go ahead.

Rachel

Oh, if I can, if I can, um, add a little bit to her class. Because she was my actual first, class that was nude for yoga.'cause I got into yoga because of a car accident I had

Gabby

Okay,

Rachel

for my lower back I got a hernia disc. And so it helps me with, pain. And so the difference I ended up noticing from regular yoga with clothes on and then with yoga with clothes off, is that it's less restricting mm-hmm. Certain poses and things you can do better just with no clothes on. And again, like she said, it feels liberating. You feel just at one with yourself. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like there's nothing holding you back at all when you're trying to deep breathe and stretch until your poses. So I can definitely attest to how, it's changed my life to do new yoga for sure.

Gabby

So, I don't think you guys, are fully aware of this, but it was. Really an easy choice to have you both as part of the natures vibe. So when Dan and I first came up with the culture vibe and the wellness vibe, the two of you were already who we had in mind. And that's why it was such a surprise that you guys also know each other because we didn't know that prior to reaching out to you two. So we. Obviously we have been hearing such great things about both of you in the Natures community and from following you on social media, and we were just genuinely impressed. So when we first reached out to both of you about joining TMV and creating these segments, which have now grown into their own standalone episodes. What were your first thoughts? What made you wanna say yes and be part of it?

Rachel

Oh yeah. For me it was, trying something new that I'd never done before, in this realm of being a nudist and learning. And then I also wanted to learn more. And I have, ever since I started following the podcast, I've learned a lot of educational things behind naturism,

Alanna

For me, I was just surprised. I was like, oh, I didn't know people like notice me.'cause I've always been like a behind the scenes person.

Gabby

Yeah.

Alanna

So I be feeling like I high under the radar so people don't really notice me. So to know that you guys notice what the work that I'm doing like was interested. I was like, oh, I feel so special. And then like Rachel was saying too, like just the knowledge and learning more.'cause for me, like I'm a nudist but I'm not really. In the community as much as, because my life is so hectic. So it's kind of helping me get into the community more and meet more people and learn. So yes, I'm excited to be able to do this with you guys

Gabby

and we are very much excited. When we come back, Daisy will be joining us. We're gonna dive into her journey as a woman in Nam and talk about the work she's been doing with naked newbies. All right. TMV Tribe, we're back with Rachel, the creator, host of the Culture Vibe, and we have Alana host of the Wellness vibe. And now joining us, we've got Daisy from Naked Newbies. Everybody give Daisy a warm welcome.

Rachel

Hey Daisy, girl.

Gabby

Hey, there you go. Daisy. Welcome. Thank you. So welcome,

Rachel

welcome.

Gabby

Yeah. Thank you so much for joining us, Daisy. It's been a little while since we last connected and I'm really excited to have you meet Alana and Rachel. Have you ever came across one another?

Daisy

Thank you so much for having me. It's a great pleasure to be here. I have come across, who does the yoga in Atlanta?

Alanna

Me, Alana.

Daisy

Absolutely amazing. I came across your page. I love what you do. I honestly would love to be like in your classes.

Alanna

Yes. I would love to have you if you're ever free, um, every Sunday. So if you're ever in Atlanta, come join us.

Rachel

Really good class. I've been to a few of them. I like it.

Daisy

Maybe. We'll, maybe we'll make a group trip out there.

Gabby

Yes.

Misc

Awesome.

Gabby

So alright everyone, Dan and I definitely wanna do more episodes. Like this, a round table conversation, so instead of sticking to the usual interview format, we wanted to switch things up a bit, make it more fun, and give everyone a chance to really get to know all of you. So to kick this very special vibe, circle off the Women's edition. Uh, we're gonna play a game called Natures Red Flag, yellow Flag, or Green Flag. Sounds good?

Daisy

Yes.

Rachel

Sounds good.

Gabby

All right. All right. So here's how it's gonna work. And remember, in this specific game, there are no winners. I'll read each statement, then I'll come to each of you for your answer. And as you share, whether it's a red flag, yellow flag, or a green flag. Feel free to also talk a little bit about why. All right. Got it. Got it. Yes, ma'am. So number one, someone asks for consent before sitting close or starting a conversation about your body. Is that a red flag, yellow flag, or a green flag? And why? Starting with you, Daisy,

Daisy

I would consider that a big green flag. Honestly, like I feel the consent is the biggest key in the nature dispute, so I would really appreciate that.

Gabby

What about you, Alana?

Alanna

I would say green as well. Like consent is very important. So even something as simple as sitting close, like I think them being considerate to ask, that's, that's a big green flag.

Gabby

All right. And Rachel.

Rachel

I agree as well. Green flag all the way, because it can be nerve wracking or even annoying for someone just to pop up next to me when I'm trying to just relax and chill. But if you ask to sit next to me and hang out with me I feel like I'll be comfortable saying yes or no. Instead of just be like, oh, who's this weird on next to me? Being creepy or, invading my space.

Gabby

Yeah. Yeah. I could see that I was actually gonna go in the opposite direction myself.

Rachel

Really.

Gabby

Red flag. Yeah, because I feel like context is really important. So if a natures setting, why ask about my body?

Rachel

Hmm.

Daisy

Okay. Yeah, we definitely ignored the second part.

Gabby

We

Rachel

did

Alanna

ignore the second information about my part. I was like thinking, I was like, oh, I totally missed that part. Okay.

Rachel

Yeah,

Misc

that's fair.

Rachel

But I mean, hold on. I still agree with my green flag because instead of just commenting about my body, you're asking for consent to give me a remark of maybe he wants to say something nice, Hey, you look beautiful. So I still think it's a green flag.

Gabby

Okay. Okay. That's one perspective. Yeah. So as long as he respects the answer that you give mm-hmm. And the boundary you make after he asks, then it's a green flag. Yes. But if you said no, and he or she, or they or them decided to keep asking, then that's a definite red flag.

Misc

Yeah.

Gabby

Okay. I see. I see. What's great about this one, right? Because we have this conversation a lot in, nature spaces about questions that are appropriate to ask. And, at least when it comes to ethical nature, we are sex positive people. But also understand that there is a direct line in the sand when it comes to if this space is sexual or not. And it's not that we don't want anybody who experiences alternative lifestyle choices outside of nature. We just ask that they respect the space too. So that's a really interesting one to hear, how different the answer was for you guys than for me. So the second one, a first timer shows up and feels comfortable staying clothed the whole time. Is that a red flag, yellow flag, or a green flag?

Alanna

I would say red.

Gabby

Yeah.

Alanna

And I say that because I deal with that with my classes. This is a nude space uhhuh, so you should be comfortable being nude. Now I can understand not getting fully undressed, but you should be able to take some layers of something off because it makes the other natures be uncomfortable because they're like, we're nude and you're fully cold. So it comes off creepy like, you're here just to people watch.

Gabby

Yeah. Yeah,

Alanna

yeah,

Gabby

yeah,

Alanna

yeah. So that's my answer.

Gabby

What about you, Daisy?

Daisy

No, I would definitely have to put that in the yellow flag one. Yeah. Just'cause I deal with like newbies, I come from naked newbies. Yeah. And my whole purpose of being is just like to bring newbies into the space. And a lot of the time these newbies aren't comfortable their first time. Being moved, around random people. And That's fair. I don't wanna take that away from them. I've actually met really cool people. Who started off fully clothed and then because they saw how cool we were or how friendly we were, how welcoming we were, they eventually get nude. But I don't want, I don't ever wanna put pressure on a first timer'cause I know that pressure will take someone out of the space forever.

Rachel

Yeah. Makes sense.

Daisy

But definitely context makes sense. Makes sense. Definitely context. Because you know, you could gauge context

Gabby

does matter. Yeah.

Daisy

Right. You definitely can gauge like, what's up here.

Gabby

What about you Rachel?

Rachel

I agree with the yellow flag. Because of the fact that my first time years ago I went to Hippie Hollow and I did not take anything off until like right at the end where I was like, you know what? I feel encouraged. Mm-hmm. And then I let it go. But definitely yellow fag because I understand both sides being a red flag. If you're in a environment where it is. Clearly a nudist, or nude yoga environment, then yes, you will expect someone to come already in that space of being nude. And then if I'm at Hippie Hollow where it's clothing optional, then yes I can understand someone coming and not taking anything off the first time.

Gabby

Yeah. To that point, I can't expect everybody to be as excited or not so anxious as I was when I first. Started practicing Tism. I went to my first resort and immediately I took my clothes off. So I was really excited and that's because I've always wanted to try as well. So when I got the opportunity, I was overjoyed. But not everyone has that same experience. So I can understand where the yellow flag and red flag would come from, because there are people, and I've heard stories from Dan, when he went to Gunnison, a lot more back in the day and would see people come on a beach and gaw and they'll be fully clothed, you are the only, and not even like you're wearing a bathing suit. Like you're literally out here in Tims and, and jts and, and a t-shirt.

Rachel

Did you give it a green flag?

Gabby

I would give this a yellow flag for sure.

Rachel

Okay.

Gabby

Totally get this a yellow flag because you're not quite sure if a person is just nervous and we never pressure first timers to get, unclothed.

Alanna

I think that's, um, yeah, I think that's one of the things where it, the context kind of plays a part too,

Gabby

right?

Alanna

Because like even with my class, I'm that way, I don't force people to get new, but I do let them know like it is required to dress down. So if you do want to just be in your underwear, that's fine. And most people are nervous because they may be new, but by the time class is over, they're completely due because they realize oh, this isn't what I thought it was, and nobody's staring at me. So yeah. Yeah, definitely the context matters in that case.

Gabby

Yeah, totally agree. So number three, someone keeps bringing up sexual topics even after the group has clearly shifted away from that red flag. Yellow flag. Red flag. Red flag. Red flag. Red flag. All right. I thought, when coming up with these questions and stuff, I thought it was a little bit ambiguous. Like you don't even know where, why would anyone even want to bring that up in a natures environment? Everyone agrees this is a, a red flag.

Rachel

A red flag. I feel like we all sink was in sync in our minds when we red and was like,

Daisy

like me in the nu space. I don't even bring up that topic. Yeah. So

Gabby

I'm like,

Daisy

who, who keeps bringing up this, this topic?

Gabby

I think there are these weird nuances that Dan and I have experienced where people like to engage with you about. Certain things adjacent to sex. So like, oh, what clubs you've gone to, and try to fish to see if you've been to like Col Ande or something number four. A person is taking photos and says it's just for personal memories, but hasn't asked anyone around them. Red flag, yellow flag, or green flag?

Rachel

Ooh. It's between red and yellow. I'm leaning trying to lean towards yellow a little bit because. That is something that I do. I like taking pictures, but again, I think it's also in the setting, for instance, if you're in a public space, it's good to ask for permission because some people might be in your background on accident and they will come to you or feel uncomfortable and then, you're invading their privacy at that point.

Gabby

Yeah.

Rachel

It can be a red flag.

Gabby

Right, right. What about you, Daisy?

Daisy

I would definitely give it a red flag. Green, only if it's literally just you in the picture.

Rachel

Mm.

Daisy

Yeah. You know, if it's literally just you, okay, you got it. Yeah. But red, you gotta ask other people, I'm not gonna lie.

Gabby

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Alana?

Alanna

Yes, I would say red just because I don't see anywhere where consent is mentioned. They didn't ask to take the photo, they just took it and was like, oh, it's for my personal memories. And then like Rachel was saying, like being aware of who's in the background. Now it's different if like us four was in a picture and somebody was like, Hey, can I get a picture of you guys? Mm-hmm. Then that's different, but like, just being aware of your surroundings. So yeah. That's why I would say we're, yeah.

Gabby

Yeah. I think most spaces now understand that we live in a world where technology is everywhere in our hands, even sometimes on our glasses, which we are talking about in a future episode of, TNV about smart glasses in nature spaces, but I think, a lot of places have their rules designed around technology use. Some places only have it where it's designated in certain areas. Some places have it where just simply ask people before taking pictures. Following the rules and being mindful of other people and getting consent is definitely important. And if you're not doing that, then it's a major red flag.

Rachel

Oh yeah. And some places they don't even let you have a camera at all. Mm-hmm.

Gabby

Right, right. So number five, someone is super friendly and outgoing, but keeps giving unsolicited advice about how others should embrace nudity more.

Daisy

I would honestly have to put this one in the yellow flag just'cause I know some people just really lack social skills and hyper fixate on this one thing that they're super obsessed with. That's all they know how to talk about. And I've like, I've met a lot of people like that and they're really nice, friendly, but they're just so hyper fixated on this one thing and it's like, okay, I'm naked. Like, what else? Let's talk about something else. You know? Right. But they, they don't really get that

Gabby

We all have friends that are like in and outside of naturalism. I have friends who are definitely not Nas and I just never wanna be that person who is trying to like, recruit all my friends. you're skirting the lines and you're being that weird nudist friend that can't stop talking about being naked and trying to recruit everybody. I don't know if you ever had that experience or knows somebody who does that like it. I just feel like it gives naturalism, like this cult vibe.

Rachel

I could see that. Yeah,

Daisy

absolutely.

Alanna

I agree.

Rachel

Correct.

Gabby

Yeah. So I definitely give a yellow flag. What about you guys? Alana?

Alanna

I would say yellow as well. Like I understand their excitement about it, but also you have to meet people where there are, so some people are new and you don't wanna be, like, they puts a bad taste in their mouth if you're feeling like making them feel like you need to be nude. And it's they might not be ready to take that leap all the way. They're just mm-hmm. Testing the waters, dipping their toe in. So I think that kind of could push people away from the community as well. So that's why I would say yellow.

Rachel

this is another one. I'm still on the red and yellow look. I'm in between because it

Gabby

hasn't been really a green flag.

Rachel

No, not green for me because of the fact that they keep, giving advice about, embracing nudity because it's just not for everybody. Some people just want their parts in private and that is okay.

Misc

Right.

Rachel

It makes some people uncomfortable because usually some people use that as a tactic for something else. Oh. And so that could be, you know, redish. If you're gonna keep, trying to push something onto someone, it's always a bad thing to me. Yeah. Because you're not giving'em a space to actually understand something new to them.

Gabby

Right? I think part of being ethical or practicing naturism or nudism ethically is letting people have that autonomy over themselves. I think it is weird when we force people to immediately get nude. I think that is a little weird. I know clubs have their own rules. I get it if it's like nude only at the pool.'cause you gotta keep it clean or whatever. But I feel like the minute you walk in, you shouldn't be forced to be like, okay, now you have to strip, or else you can't cross these lines. Like it's, it's a little much, it feels gatekeeper.

Rachel

Mm-hmm. That's why I like the clothing optional.

Gabby

Yeah. Yeah giving the choice to disrobe when they feel comfortable. I like that too.

Rachel

If you are, if you are, um, a person who comes back though. Often at some point I'm gonna be looking at you side eye though.

Gabby

Okay? Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. Like, why is it okay? I

Rachel

Okay now.

Gabby

Alright. This, at this point you should know people are expecting you to get naked at some. Like we we're chill now we're giving you the space. Mm-hmm. We get it. But at some point you gotta, you gotta make a decision. That's funny. That's a good point to bring up. People who do that tend to be just like voyeurs and gawkers, yeah. Have you ever had that Alana, where someone every time they showed up, they just refused? I know you mentioned a little bit about that before.

Alanna

Um, not really. I only had that happen like one time and that was when I first started my business. I had someone come fully clothed. He sat in the very front of the class and stayed fully clothed the whole time. And it was just really weird because it was like, you know, this is a dude yoga class and I could see if you didn't wanna get completely undressed, but like you're fully clothed. I don't even think he took his shoes off.

Gabby

That's crazy. I thought yoga was about relaxation

Alanna

yeah. And then he didn't even have on like yoga attire he had on like street wear. So like jeans and a T-shirt. That's wild. So that was like, that was me. That's

Gabby

wild. That's wild.

Daisy

And he was doing every single part of the class.

Alanna

Most of it. The poses he could do. But like, yeah, it was, it was kind of weird.'cause for me it makes me uncomfortable as the instructor'cause I'm in the front of the class. So then it's like. I could see when people are staring at me in a sexual way and not staring at me because they're trying to learn the poses. Oh. So it was like, it was just weird. And I've never seen that person again. Of course they didn't come back.'cause they probably was like, oh, this isn't the vibe that I thought it was gonna be.'cause people automatically think, some people think because it's nude, it's gonna be something essential and it's not. Right.

Gabby

Right. And then if they are expecting that there are classes for that, it's just not yours.

Alanna

Right. Yeah.

Gabby

I think people really should take the time to read the fine print.

Alanna

Mm-hmm.

Gabby

Some people just, he see nude nudist or nas and they just, that's it. And they come up with their own judgment instead of just, you know, read.

Alanna

Yep. Reading is fundamental.

Gabby

All right. We got one more. One more. And that is number six. A community member gently checks someone's behavior in the moment to help maintain a respectful non-sexual space.

Rachel

Green.

Gabby

Green. That's the first green for Rachel. Is that the first green? That is the first green for you? I'm

Rachel

not. I think I had two.

Gabby

You had some greens. What?

Rachel

The first one? Crap.

Alanna

Yeah, we all said green for the first

Gabby

one. Oh, that's right. All right, so this is, okay. This was an enthusiastic green

Rachel

because something happened. You got, you got a nip it in the butt right then and there.

Gabby

I agree. I agree I think that, I understand that they're in certain worlds. Things are gonna be done differently in terms of like how you check somebody. Mm-hmm. But I think in the nature of space, it has to be right away and very direct. And there's, and leave no room for gray area. If you're doing something that is absolutely wrong, there's no, oh, let's talk to them afterwards. So I think it's a green flag. All spaces should adopt it.

Daisy

Honestly, I'm giving a green. My only problem is that instead of gently, I want it to be something worse than that.

Gabby

Yeah. What do you propose, Daisy?

Daisy

A little aggressive, a little stop what you're doing right now, what's wrong with you? Like, let's get it together.

Gabby

Yeah. So you're like, use the fear of God?

Daisy

No, not the fear of God. I need the fear of me,

Gabby

the fear of Daisy, that's gotta be on a t-shirt, Daisy. I don't,

Daisy

I'm right next to you. If you're not scared of me, then uh, then there's nothing I could do. I don't want you next to me. You're weird.

Gabby

Right, right. I believe in immediately nipping that in the bud. And sometimes you do gotta get aggressive. Especially if it's trying to like, pressure somebody or make, sexual advances like those require more, they do require for you to be a little bit harder on that person. Some people you do have to scare.

Daisy

Yes. Honestly, there's so many creeps at like the nudist beach, and you can't just walk up to them and be like, Hey, please stop doing what you're doing.

Gabby

No.

Daisy

You literally have to like scream at them and chase them away. Like there's no gentleness there.

Gabby

Right, right. I totally agree. Have you ever come across that, Rachel, in your experience?

Rachel

I've heard stories at Hippie Hollow, but in my experience, no.

Gabby

Yep. So green flags to anyone who calls behavior like that out to,

Daisy

absolutely.

Gabby

That calls that behavior out immediately. Green flags way immediately.

Daisy

Green flags.

Gabby

All right. So that was a lot of fun. And later in the episode, we've got another game coming up to keep the energy going and put your natures knowledge to the test. It's all just for fun. Nothing to embarrass anyone or measure how much of an natures you are. It'll just be for a good time. But first Daisy, I wanna give the TMV Tribe a chance to get to know you a little better. They've been hearing your voice on almost every episode since around October or November with the Naked Newbies commercial. So I'm sure they're curious to learn more about you. So Daisy, tell us a little bit about yourself, like where you're from and how did you get into naturalism?

Daisy

I got into naturalism was really, I had a dream, right? And I was at a Nud resort with my now husband and we were just like having the time of our lives. And I woke up and I told my husband about this beautiful dream and he was like, let's make it happen. And he ended up taking me to a Nu Resort where he ended proposing to me.

Gabby

Aw.

Daisy

And

Gabby

wow. He proposed to you at a, at a nudist resort

Daisy

At our, for first ever nudist experience. First ever nudist anything. The nudist resort.

Gabby

Wow, I didn't know that. I

Daisy

didn't know

Gabby

that. Yes. That's

Daisy

so cool. And we had such a lovely time. It was such an amazing experience. I associated this amazing experience with Nudism and I just felt, wow, like I have such a great memory. I have such a great feeling, a great everything with this one topic. I want to bring more people into this space who are just like me. I wanna see more people just like me enjoying their lives in this space.

Gabby

I think that's a wonderful story. I never knew he proposed to you at a nudist resort. As a nudist, I think people are dreaming about getting proposed to at a news resort. I think that is up there on the list for some people. What first drew you to this idea of creating naked newbies, especially for beginners?

Daisy

I think what drew us as we delve deeper into the nudist circle, the nudist field, the news areas, we realized there wasn't a lot of people that looked like us. Mm-hmm. Whether it was age group or ethnicity or race or whatever it might have been, we realized there wasn't really a lot of people like us. And we were like, okay, how do we bring more people into this? And then as we delved more deeper, we realized there's a lot of people just like us in nudity, but they don't wanna be in the mainstream, more white centered, older centered spaces. You know, that wasn't where they felt comfortable. They didn't feel accepted, they didn't feel like they could be themselves. So we really are just trying to offer this space of like, Hey, if you wanna exist and you feel like you can't exist in these other spaces, let's let's build it together. Let's do that together.

Gabby

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And how long ago did Naked Newbies start?

Daisy

We really, really delved into naked newbies, I wanna say last year around like February, March. Yeah. I feel like that's correct. Before that I think we already had the page, but we never really did anything with it.

Gabby

Right.

Daisy

And it was after we went to Brazil for the, their nude beach, and we were like, no, we need, we need all of our people in this nude beach right now. Like this. There's no way our friends and loved ones are not at this nude beach. Like, this is such a sick vibe.

Gabby

Right.

Daisy

And we, we just needed everyone in our lives to see how cool it was.

Gabby

And, how many members do you have now for naked newbies? Or is it a members based thing? Or can anybody just join you on a trip if they, you know, sign up and, and pay whatever fees?

Daisy

Yeah, I would definitely say we're not member based. We're more so just like. It is not that anyone can sign up. We definitely do a FaceTime, we do a questionnaire, we do, um, multiple vibe checks, if you will.

Gabby

Okay,

Daisy

right. Just to get a sense of would you even fit in here? Or, what are we looking for? The same thing here. And, once we at a point of that, maybe we'll meet up with them if we're like in the same area or if we happen to be going to the same location at some point. And then after that it's just okay, let's come on a trip with us. Let's have a great nudist trip in Costa Rica, wherever it may be.

Gabby

What does it mean to you to be a woman creating space in naturalism right now?

Daisy

I think to me it really is just. I feel like being front facing, putting your face out there is just really encouraging in the sense of like, I'm not ai, I'm a real person. I'm not a faker, I'm not a scammer, I'm not whoever, X, Y, Z or the bad things. I'm like a real person. This is who I am. I'm really, I'm being as vulnerable as fucking possible in this space, literally. If I'm able to be as vulnerable as possible, literally as possible, and then see other women wanna do this, I'm happy. You know, I'm really happy. I just want, I want, as someone who used to be uncomfortable with her body, for me to be this vulnerable with her body is such an amazing thing. I want other women who might have experienced the same things as me in life to feel so in control with their body. That they literally do what they want.

Rachel

Yes, yes. I agree with that. Yes. That's how I started.

Gabby

How did you, how did you start Rachel?

Daisy

Yeah.

Rachel

I started because like I can relate to her saying that I was uncomfortable with my body, but it came after having kids.'cause I didn't have stretch marks all over my stomach at the time or in other places that you won't see unless you see me at the New Beach. And so I, like I said, I started a couple years ago, learning and diving into Nam and at Hippie Hollow. I just beared it all that day. And when that happened, it was like a spiritual thing, just releasing all the negative things I've ever said about myself, comparing myself to people online and seeing other women, like she said, online, just expressing themselves, being vulnerable. That gave me the courage to do it. Yeah. So that's exactly how I started looking online and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna try it.

Gabby

Yeah. Um, what about you Alana? How did you start?

Alanna

I started, I always like practiced at home.

Gabby

Yeah.

Alanna

It didn't start publicly for me until a little after COVID. I went to a party and everybody there was new, and it took me a while to get undressed. I didn't fully get completely new towards maybe like the last hour when I realized girl, just be free. And it, it took for me, it was like, like Rachel, it was like a spiritual thing for me too, because at that time, so the party that I went to, it was for people that had experienced like sexual traumas and stuff kind of way to heal through that. And nudity was one of the ways to heal through that. So I was like, I feel like I need that. So I went to the party and got nude and just had a great experience and ever since then that I've been all, all tism.

Gabby

Yeah. My first experience, I went to a resort in Pennsylvania, and I mentioned that earlier and it actually was on a date with someone who told me that they were a nudist. And I said to them, I was like, I always wanted to experience, nudism never had the opportunity, but I guess this is my opportunity.'cause now I get to go with someone who actually wants to partake in it as well. So I. Like I said before, when I went in, I was overjoyed, immediately got naked and haven't looked back since. And it's very liberating and it was nice to see other people, not necessarily care about what my body looked like. I didn't have to be conscious of it because no one else was conscious of it. People were just talking to each other as normal.

Rachel

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Gabby

Daisy, what are the usual biggest fears you see from, women who are just starting with naked newbies?

Daisy

I definitely, of course, see, I'm scared of weirdos creeps, of course.

Gabby

Mm-hmm.

Daisy

Um, and then of course comes the body insecurities. But then one thing that I feel like doesn't get talked about is just like how outside of people's culture it is.

Misc

Mm-hmm.

Daisy

When I was in Brazil just recently, we had bumped into these two, I think they're Swedish. I would really love to remember that. They're Swedish. And they had a very different culture. They just weren't used to the nudity. They ended up joining us at the nude beach. But on weekends, on the nude beach, the Nudist Association, has very strict laws, so they couldn't actually sit down unless they were nude.

Misc

Oh,

okay.

Daisy

So they left, they really did wanna sit with us and just see what it was about. They really were not closed-minded. They were very open-minded, but it was just so outside of their culture that they just, they couldn't fathom going to nude beach and immediately getting naked. That was so outside of their cultural perspective.

Misc

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Daisy

So that was just something that I found like so interesting. I never really thought to put myself into someone who's like. You there's family, there's how you grew up, and then there's like, your absolute entire culture is not for that at all.

Gabby

Yeah.

Daisy

I never really considered that one.

Gabby

Okay. Yeah. When you encounter people like that, what is something that you usually do to help someone move from curiosity to actually showing up to their first experience? Do you ever have a process of how to help them feel more comfortable so that they actually do show up to the first experience?

Daisy

For the most part, if it's anyone that we encounter through the questionnaire, they've already tried nudism. But as for in person. We do encounter people who, when we tell'em like, oh, what are you doing? We're like, oh, we're the naked newbies. We encourage people to take their chance at social nudism, see what it's about, get more comfortable with their bodies. And they're always just kinda so curious that they're like, wait, what? Are you guys doing that on this trip? And we're like, yeah, we're going to the nude beach. And they're like, wait, can I come with you?

Gabby

Oh wow.

Daisy

You know? And it's like a fun thing. It's not like a serious thing. It's more like, wait, I've always wanted to try that, but I didn't know like I had this option to where you guys doing it. I wanna do it too. Are you guys gonna be there?'cause I feel so safe with you guys. And it's just more of like just building that safe space over and over and over and over

Gabby

again. Yeah. Every

Daisy

location.

Gabby

Dan always points us out that whenever, I'm out in public and I encounter new people, and somehow Nudism comes up in the conversation and then I end up like sharing, oh yeah, I'm a nudist or a nas. And they're like, wait, I'm a nudist, or a nares. However they want to identify. Do you ever come across that as like that kind of your vibe, like you are just okay with talking to anyone about it?

Daisy

I think we're absolutely open to talking about it. There was, we came back from our Costa Rica trip and there was a flight attendant. I, my husband went to the bathroom. I think I was already in the bathroom, but he was waiting on the line. And I come out and they're, he's talking to the flight attendant about what we had just done on our trip, which it was just a news trip. And I'm like, wait, are you telling her about naked movies? And he's yeah, she's actually like really interested. Wow. And I was like, wait, are you serious? And she was like, yeah, I want you guys on Instagram. You guys are so cool. Me and my husband, we practice nudity and we've been looking for cool people too. Please let me know you're information. And I was just like, wait, the flight attendant, are you serious?

Gabby

That's wild. I'm not actually, I'm not too surprised that a flight attendant would be a na. And especially since they get to go all over the world. Mm-hmm. And go to these amazing beaches. Actually I think that's a perfect job for a NIST because then you get to travel to all these amazing nude beaches around the world for free or at a discount.

Alanna

I have a question for Daisy. So I just wanted to ask have you had anyone that was interested and then once they come to an event, did they like kind of like, oh, I'm not ready, or kind, or once they come and they see it, they're like, oh, okay, I'm ready to fully dive into this Naturism thing.

Daisy

I wanna say, for example, for the women's only event we did last year, there was women on both spectrums where yeah, I wanna do it. I wanna do it. And then they get there and they're just, they're just not there. But they were really excited about it. And they might take their top, leave the bottoms on it. It's like, yo, wherever you're at is completely okay. Like, it's girl, I'm not gonna put a gun to your head. Trust me.

Rachel

Right.

Daisy

Me, it's, but then I get your clothes off. Yeah. Let's fucking right now. But then I also had people who, uh, women who were just like, they've never done this before. They were just like, oh my God. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And then they get there and they're like, woo, my God, I'm having so much fun. What? This is the greatest shit ever. And, you know, it's, it is really just meeting people where they're at.

Misc

Yeah.

Gabby

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. So, Rachel and Alana, you can jump in on this question too. What's one myth about women in naturalism? You want to completely shut down?

Alanna

A myth I would debunk is most men in nature when they aren't creepy, I think that's what kind of pulls most women away.

Daisy

Mm-hmm.

Alanna

Is because they're assumed like this is gonna be creepy men around, but. I haven't had any bad encounters with men. They're very, very friendly, very welcoming, very respectful.

Daisy

Mm-hmm.

Alanna

Consent is very important. They definitely ask for consent. So I, that's one thing I would debunk so that women won't be shy and away from it because they think oh, I'm gonna encounter a bunch of creepy men. That's just gonna be all the way me. And it's not like that.

Gabby

Yeah. I think that's why a lot tend to join as couples because maybe there is that fear of, encountering a creepy guy. Even though I started out on a date, I ended up practicing for a while on my own and going to, nature's events and spaces as a single woman. And I think just like any space textile or nud, you have to exercise caution and use common sense anyway. If we're doing that and staying aware, nudism can be really fun and safe.

Rachel

I would take away the whole myth about people being stared at, meaning like, you're gonna feel judged in some kind of way.

Gabby

Mm-hmm.

Rachel

I've had a few people actually say that, Hey, aren't you afraid that people are gonna stare at you? And I'm like. No, because literally my first time ever going, I didn't really start looking at people, like people watching until years later actually, because I really talked to people I'm looking at you in your eyes anyway.'cause that's how I was raised to talk to somebody. You don't look left and right, down and up, you know, you look at someone in their eyes. So for me, when I first went, I'm looking at people as in people, not what they look like below the neck. I'm looking at you in your face and having a conversation. And then the person I came with, she was like, did you see what they, you know, their body part basically.'cause she's like, oh my God, I've never been to a place that she was overwhelmed. And I was like, no, I actually didn't. I was really just talking to them and saying hello. And then in my own little world enjoying the atmosphere. So I would take that away that people are not literally just gawing at you. Some people may look because they've never been in that environment before, but I don't think they're gonna be staring at you so hard to where you're uncomfortable.

Gabby

Yeah. And if someone is doing that, you report it and you let whoever the host of that space or people working at a specific nude resort, you let them know so they can handle the situation. I also feel like, that's just always the best route to go. So you don't put yourself in any danger. You let the people who, are running the space handle it.'cause I'm sure there's gonna be rules around it. And you never want someone like that going unchecked. So Daisy, what's next for naked newbies and how can people find you and support you?

Daisy

What's next for naked newbies? Right now we are planning a Costa Rica and zPo trip. zPo is more of like a beach sound vibe. It's more social, definitely a lot more people on the strip. Mm-hmm. And then Costa Rica is more for like the adventurous, more out in the jungle kind of vibe person.

Gabby

Yeah.

Daisy

Um, outside of that, we're definitely planning weekly meetups at Gunnison Beach this summer. Definitely trying to get. We would go all the time in the summer, but we would never pick a consistent, day of the week. I think this time around we're really trying to get a consistent day of the week that we aren't promising to be on the beach and see who we can meet up and all the networking we could do with the people of Gunnison.

Misc

Mm-hmm.

Daisy

Um, and again, we're gonna try to make another women's event. I would definitely keep you guys updated. I would love it if you guys could come.

Misc

Yeah.

Daisy

Yay. Be there and yeah, we'll definitely just keep our eye out for all those things. Thank you.

Rachel

You have a website?

Daisy

Yes, we do. Thank you so much for asking. We do have a website. It's naked newbies.com. We have an Instagram. It is, um, at Naked Newbies. We have a YouTube, but we're not as active on TikTok as we should be. Same for Twitter, but those do exist as well.

Gabby

Yeah. And, uh, for the women's event, where do you usually hold them?

Daisy

Last year we did it at a private pool in Jersey.

Gabby

Mm-hmm.

Daisy

This time around we might be looking for something else. I think we wanna try a different location, just see what else we could really, how can we improve from last year, you know, that's always what we're wondering.

Gabby

Right, right.

Daisy

Mm-hmm. But maybe Jersey definitely gonna aim for that, but we'll see.

Gabby

Thank you Daisy, for shedding more insight on you and naked newbies. Our TMV tribe truly appreciate you coming on the show. All right, we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, we've got another game lined up for Rachel, Alana and Daisy, stay with us. We are now back and with a game of true or false is the vibe circle ready?

Misc

Ready? Absolutely,

Daisy

yes.

Gabby

All right. All right. All right. So I'm going to read off a few statements and the three of you will lock in your answers. True or false? There is a winner for this one, but again, this is all just in good fun. So now you might be wondering, is there a prize for this game? Yes, there is. Don't look so shocked and so excited. And the winner will actually be playing on behalf of one of our listeners. So if you win, one Lucky Listener is going to receive a$50 Visa gift card, plus a free TNV T-shirt and sticker. Yes. Yes. I think this is great, right? Everyone loves a good a swag and, and a cool$50 gift card. Who does it, right? And for anyone listening, here's how you can enter. You have to be tuned into this show, so you should have been listening this whole entire time. And then you'll enter the raffle using the name of the guest who wins this particular game. Once the raffle closes, we'll randomly select one winner and send over the details on how to redeem the prize. For more details, head over to the show description where you'll find the link to enter the raffle. So here are the statements. I have them written in a super secret place so that so you guys don't cheat. Okay. I

Daisy

really tried to.

Gabby

You really,

Alanna

it's like, where are the questions?

Gabby

Where are the questions? Y'all were like, is she gonna ask those questions? Yes, but I hit them. So the first one is naturalism in the US started in the 1970s. Is this true or false? Daisy?

Daisy

I'm going with false.

Gabby

A lot of,

Alanna

I'm gonna say false,

Gabby

Rachel. False. All right. It is false. It is false. Naturalism started in the US in the 1930s by a natures pioneer named Kurt Bartell. So if anybody wants to learn up, learn more about that. Look up Kurt Bartell. He started naturalism in 1930s here in the us. Alright, number two, bear Oaks is the home of the American nudist research library. Is this true or is this false? Alana,

Alanna

um, I'm just gonna say true.

Gabby

Rachel,

Rachel

is there a I don't know button?

Gabby

Unfortunately there isn't.

Rachel

Oh, false.

Gabby

Okay. And Daisy, I,

Daisy

I just, I don't know. I wanna go with True.

Gabby

And the answer is false.

Daisy

Oh my God.

Gabby

So Rachel, you gotta write, you gotta write on this one. The home of the American Nudist Research Library is actually at Cypher Cove.

Alanna

Wow.

Rachel

That's right. I heard that on a podcast. I knew,

Alanna

I shoulda knew that. I dunno why I said true. I definitely should have knew that. Damn

Gabby

Rachel, Rachel out here listening to podcasts get her history up. Didn't even know she was preparing for a game.

Rachel

Right. It just didn't sound right. Bear Oaks,

Gabby

so Bear Oaks is actually based in Canada.

Rachel

Okay.

Gabby

Which would mean that American Nudist Research Library may not be there.

Daisy

Yeah.

Gabby

Even though they are members of Anna, they are members. Oh, okay. There are an Anna affiliated club, but the research library is at Cypress Cove, which Dan and I were there last, last month and we had a blast. Have you guys visited Cypress Grove yet? Daisy?

Daisy

I've never visited, but I would love to.

Gabby

You would have a good time. You and Ojo would definitely have a good time. Anybody going? Would have a good time? Rachel, you've been there?

Rachel

Yeah, I want to go there. I followed them for a little while and spoke to some people, but I haven't actually went yet.

Gabby

Oh, okay. Okay, cool. Alana, you haven't been there yet?

Alanna

Haven't been yet either. I would love

Gabby

to. Maybe Daisy, your next women's event should be at Cypress Cove.

Alanna

Yeah.

Daisy

Honestly, if I could given the chance, we definitely

Gabby

would. Yeah, they do a lot of, takeovers too. I know the Black NAS Association does, a takeover at Cypress Cove once a year, I believe. You guys should definitely put it on your bucket list.

Daisy

Oh, it absolutely is.

Gabby

Yeah. Alright, so number three. Number three. The Nature society is based in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Daisy, true or false?

Daisy

I'm gonna go false. I don't think anything's in Wisconsin.

Alanna

Good answer. Good answer.

Gabby

Okay. We have any Wisconsin listeners? She's just joking. She's just joking. So you say false, Alana, true or false?

Alanna

Um, I am going to say. I'm just gonna say true, just because we'll see.

Gabby

Alright. Okay. Okay. Rachel. Rachel. And the answer is true.

Daisy

Oh my

Alanna

God.

Gabby

The nature of society was founded in 1980 by Lee Baxandall in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. I can't even say it. Oshkosh. What was he doing then? Osh Wisconsin. I, I don't know.

Daisy

Why was this man here?

Gabby

What's funny that it happened in Oshkosh, Wisconsin? Because there's a clothing company, Oshkosh Bash.

Rachel

Oh,

Gabby

I don't know if you guys, yeah, that's what I

Alanna

was thinking about when you kept saying Oshkosh. I just kept thinking about that.

Gabby

Like the little, like the little kids clothing brand. Yeah. Uh, Oshkosh Bash. He was like, nah, we are a naked society here.

Alanna

Oh.

Gabby

In Oshkosh, Wisconsin. They're trying to distance themselves from the clothing brand.

Rachel

Mm.

Gabby

What's the score so far? So two for Rachel, two for Alana, and one for Daisy. Okay.

It's

Daisy

okay.

Gabby

That's the, that's the score. Um, all right. So I love

Daisy

an underdog story.

Gabby

Yeah. Yes. You might come out at the top of this. We never know. There's three more questions. So the fourth question. Dan Speers, maker of things and co-host of the Nature's by Podcast, has appeared in the documentary Naked States, which aired in the year 2000. True or false? Alana.

Rachel

Um,

Alanna

I wanna say it's true,

Gabby

Rachel,

Rachel

in the year 2000.

Gabby

In the year 2000.

Rachel

Naked states. Um, I'm gonna go with True.

Gabby

Okay, Daisy,

Daisy

I'm gonna go with True'cause that sounds really cool. And Dan is really cool.

Gabby

Why not? Oh my God. Dan is over here in the background. Like, yes.

Daisy

Gimme extra points, Dan.

Gabby

All right, so the answer is true. Dan Speers was featured in the documentary Naked States. So three for Rachel, three for Alana, and two for Daisy? Yes. Wow. This might, I don't know, Daisy still, are you gonna Still able to come? We're still going. Alright.

Daisy

I'm still, I'm confident I'm going. My competitors are tough, but you know.

Gabby

All right. So number five, New Jersey is home of one of the two largest nude beaches on the East coast. True or false? Rachel?

Rachel

False.

Gabby

Daisy.

Daisy

No. Save me. Last.

Gabby

Oh, save you for last. Okay. Alana, save me

Daisy

for last.

Gabby

Alana. Alana,

Alanna

I wanna say false.

Gabby

Oh, man. Okay. I, all right,

Daisy

I'm gonna go with true.

Gabby

Okay. I, I kind of gave that one up when I said, oh, man. Yeah, I should not. Even be commenting.

Daisy

No, I was, I was going with you from the beginning. I swear.

Gabby

Yeah. I am like, okay. I would've been very disappointed, Daisy, if you what?

Alanna

Yeah,

Gabby

because that's why I was

Alanna

like beach. I was like, is this a me off?

Gabby

So Gunnison Beach is located in New Jersey. Oh. And it is one of the two largest nude beaches here on the east coast. What is the other one? Hoover and the other one is Hoover Beach. Beach Hoover. That's in New

Rachel

Jersey?

Gabby

No, Hoover is in, um, Hoover is in Miami.

Rachel

Oh, okay.

Alanna

I knew Miami was one,

but

Rachel

I didn't know. That's a beach though. Y'all beaches look like that.

Gabby

Okay. Don't stand

Alanna

in water.

Gabby

Listen, listen, listen here, listen here, pal. I know exactly what you're talking about.'cause I see the same thing. Um, new. Okay. I will say Haulover is more tropical. It's by the Caribbean Sea, so it's gonna have that nice blue see-through water and jersey. I personally don't get in the water.

Daisy

I don't get in the water.

Gabby

I don't get in. I definitely just go there to be naked and in the sun. Gotcha. Naked in this sun. That

Daisy

water is green.

Gabby

I don't, is it even green? It look gray. Ah, it looked gray. Okay. I don't even know. And it's just like, I don't know, but you get a, there's a view of New York City.

Daisy

It's a gorgeous Oh, sweet, absolutely

Gabby

gorgeous view of New York City. Yeah. Um, all right. And so this is it. Am I

Daisy

tied, did I catch up?

Gabby

Did you, did she catch up? Yes. You big girl. You did three. Yeah. You caught. Okay. Okay. So this is to figure out who's the winner. All right. Winner. And it might, hey, it might just be a three-way tie. It might just be, and then you all win it. Oh my god. For the listener. Anyway. So number six, full nudity is legal in the state of New York. The entire state, including New York City, full nudity is legal full nudity.

Daisy

I wanna say true. But it has to be for like artistic expression. Like you, like there needs to be a reason.

Gabby

So you're saying true.

Daisy

Oh my God.

Gabby

I I'm not telling you which is right or wrong.

Daisy

You say like, can you

Gabby

full, full nudity. Full nudity,

Daisy

Because I know they have the naked cowboy. He is a thing,

Gabby

but was he fully naked?

Daisy

I know. I don't know. I don't know. Uh, I wanna go false. I'm gonna go false. I'm locking False.

Gabby

False. Okay. Locking Rachel. False. Yeah, I'm

Rachel

going with false.

Gabby

Okay. Alana,

Alanna

I'm gonna say false as well. I feel like you could be, probably be topless, but not completely nude.

Gabby

All right. Locking in the answers.

Misc

Yes.

Gabby

All right. And drum roll. The answer is false.

Rachel

Yeah.

Gabby

You all got it right. This is a three way tie. We do not have tie breaker because. Y'all not playing for yourself. So, while full nudity is not legal in New York or in the New York City area, there is a legal carve out that allows all genders to be topless in the entire state of New York. And that includes New York City. And that ruling came from a gender equality case in the 1990s. And it's why NYC has those topless performers in places like Times Square. So that is a three way tie. So a lucky listener will be able to, Enter the raffle, get that$50 gift card, a free TMV T-shirt, and a free TMV sticker. Just a reminder for the TMV try check the show description for instructions on how to enter the raffle. The raffle winner will be announced on April 9th during the Nude House 2026 Live Stream special. You'll also find details there on how to join the live stream. So that wraps up this special vibe circle. I wanna thank Rachel, the creator, Alana and Daisy, for joining us today. Woo woo. Give yourself a round of applause. And, um, before we go though, let the TMV tribe know where they can find you on social media or any websites you'd like to share. We'll also make sure everything is linked in the show description. Alana, where can they find you?

Alanna

Yes, you can find me on Instagram at Yoga with Alana. You can also find me at Bearskin Yoga atl. And the number two.

Gabby

Awesome. What about you, Rachel?

Rachel

Yes. You can find your girl Rachel, the creator on Instagram. And you can also find me, on another Instagram page. This is called Everything La Car, where I make beautiful hand beaded jewelry for ladies and the gents. And it's L-E-H-C-A rco 2020 on Instagram. And again, everything LeCar.

Gabby

Awesome. And Daisy, where can they find you? Naked Newbies.

Daisy

Yes. Thank you so much for having us. It was great to meet you Rachel. And Alana. And you can find naked newbies on Instagram at Naked Newbies. At Naked Newbies. Yeah, we have a website, naked newbies.com. And YouTube again, naked newbies.

Gabby

Awesome. Awesome. Thank you all for joining us on the show today. And don't forget, you can hear more from Alana on the Wellness Vibe and Rachel on the culture vibe right here on TMV. Their episodes usually drop once a month. We really appreciate you two and Daisy for collaborating with us today and help making this such a fun vibe Circle special. We'll be right back. and welcome back TMV Tribe. I am back with Dan, maker of things. So Dan, what did you think of our first vibe circle?

Dan

I thought it was actually amazing. I was very impressed with the entire thing. You're a great host.

Gabby

Well, thank you. I appreciate it and a great host. Can't be a great host without some great guests, and I am so excited. For everyone to experience the Vibe Circle again in the future. We hope to have more of that soon with more amazing guests, but I especially thank Daisy Rachel, the creator and Alana for joining us today and making this a very special Women's edition addition of the Vibe Circle.

Dan

I couldn't be happy with how it turned out. It was really, really good. They were great guests and I think definitely appreciate them coming on.

Gabby

So as always, folks, stay ethical, stay kind, and stay comfortably nude,

Dan

and that. Is the Naturist vibe.

Gabby

Bye.

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