Something About the Traitors of Summer House

We dive deep into Scamanda and the Mormon Wives...... but mostly Scamanda!! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Why did you why did you text that we the sisters that we need to start taking dating seriously?

SPEAKER_02 0:07

Oh I had a conversation with dad last night and he was just talking about like I mean I don't we can tell them like our granddad passed away over the weekend. Um he was 92 years old, like had one of the most unreal lives, like literally almost lived a century. And we were just kind of talking about it, and he like hearing dad talk about like his he's he said something along the lines of like I've really felt recently like I'm in a very different phase of life. Like I know. And so like hearing him talk about that in his age, I was like, for his for like reasons for our parents, like hearing them say things like that, and it's not just him that his has said things like that. Like I feel like mom and cross say things like that all the time. And I don't know, maybe my like frontal lobe is starting to develop, and I'm like, ugh, maybe I should start because you know like that phrase has not left my mouth, like literally ever, since living and like since graduating college. But just like hearing hearing him talking about like okay, this phase of life is a lot of different things.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

It's a different phase of life. What is it? What did he mean by the way? Just talking about like this is freaking me out.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

I'm trying to not not try to like put his business out there, but like he's talking about like chilling out a little bit, you know, retiring. I mean, I don't want to put that out there because his clients, but like, you know what I mean? They don't know who we are. He says that, but then he gets bored and like goes off and does like another thing, so it's you know, maybe he was just like in his feelings, but I don't know. So that made you want to date? No, it made it just made me think about like, okay, like if he's in this phase of life where like he because he was talking about like, oh how like grandkids are right around the corner, hopefully. No, they're not. I know, but I mean I feel like it's I don't know. I don't know. You don't have to. We don't have to.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

But I was on the phone with mom the other day, and I don't know how it came up, but I was just like, I hope one day it's Rachel stop. I can't.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

I can't. You hope one day what?

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Don't freaking start voguing in the camera. I'm not voguing!

SPEAKER_02 2:10

I'm just making sure that my posture is okay. Hurry up, spit it out. Um first of all, pause. You are the last person on the planet of the face of the earth to ever tell someone to stop looking at their reflection.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

I haven't looked up in yet.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

Oh my gosh, Lizzie's obsession with her reflection her entire life.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Rachel, the reason why we couldn't film last night is because you had to self-tan.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

Okay, well, yeah, I have to look okay, but I'm just saying, like, do not dish out anything about looking at your reflection. Anyway. Sisters and cousins in the comments right now. Right now. Rachel, I literally was talking to you, you went. I was adjusting my posture. Making sure I looked okay. You better not look at yourself once. I won't. I can't. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Um, anyway. I was talking to mom on the phone. Okay. I was talking to mom on the phone, and I was like, I hope I find a man who finds me endearing and not annoying. And she was like, you could just try being endearing.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

It was like, um, what do you mean? Do you think I'm annoying? I love our parents. If anyone has ever met me being like, wow, that girl's like really direct. Like, she's a little harsh. It's because of my parents. Like, we just, I'm glad that we grew up with parents who don't check us like sweetheart. It was like we should just try to actually be endearing. Yeah, treat you like a princess, like maybe you should try to be endearing.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

I don't know how like what to do to be in endearing. That's okay. Like genuinely. Yeah, we don't. Like okay, but actually, like, what does endearing mean? It just means like you find it like I guess adorable. Oh. Like, I hope my future spouse finds like me wanting to shop all the time and not be put on a budget, like, oh, that's so cute.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

It's not gonna happen. I just think I I see you ending up with someone who's smarter than that. And like Are you s no? I see you, I see you ending up with a dude who will be like Lizzie Stock. Are you serious? Yes. Yeah, 100%. But like in a nice way. Like he gets you and like he lets you do your thing, whatever. But he's also, he's not just you're not gonna walk all over him.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

And you don't wanna walk. I don't want to walk all over him. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

Also, well you have to pick.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

I don't feel like I should. Um, yeah, I don't feel like I should. Did I tell you I was at the nail song the other day? Okay, the I this is the last thing, and we can jump into why we're here. I was at the nail song the other day. I don't like going. I genuinely find it. I haven't been in so long as a chore. I need to get my toes done really badly. I've been it's sandal season. Oh my gosh, I was at a client's house the other day and she's like, hey, can you take your shoes off before you come in? And I was like, I yeah, I guess. My jaundice spray tan toenails. I was just like, I literally was walking with like curled feet. I was like, please don't look at my feet. Please don't look at my feet.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

And that's why mom says you should learn how to be endearing. Because in what world do you take your feet off when you have yellow toenails from it?

SPEAKER_01 5:31

She asked me to take her my shoes off at her home. I'm not gonna be like, no. It's her home. Okay, well, lesson learned. Like, always bring socks. Socks. I need always wear socks. I just need to get my toes done. It's it's sample season. But yeah, that was humbling. Horrible. I know. That's my later's like, yeah. I was like, please look at my spray team toes. That's disgusting. Okay, anyway. That's pretty disgusting. Um, I was at the nail salon because my nails were really bad. And when I go, like I put my headphones in and I'm trying to just get out of there. Right. And over my headphones, I'm listening to a podcast quite loudly. I hear this man behind me like hooting and hollering, like, ah ow, ow, ow, ow, owl. Like, whatever, to the point where all of us are just like, what's going on? We turn around, he's just getting his feet scrubbed. So performed. Yeah, and I was just like, you can't ban him. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

Ban all men from nail salons.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Actually, no, I appreciate the self-care, but like, don't shut up. Yeah. Don't be a weirdo. It's so annoying.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

Oh my gosh, men are annoying. Men are men can be so annoying. Like, know the space that you're in. You're literally in a spa. You're in a spa where people are trying to relax and get their nails done and you're hooting and hollering because you're ticklish. Don't be a weirdo. Seriously, swallow it. No, swallow it. Don't be a weirdo and go home. Get get your pedicure and go home. Keep the hootin' and hollering at home. Okay, we have to dive into the women of reality TV as soon as possible. And personally, I want to start with the Mormon wives. I know you don't want to. I want to start with the Mormon wives, but I just have to say this because I think, luckily for them, we just don't care. I know, but here's here's why we don't care. Because we've seen enough, right? We've seen enough. And obviously, like the Amanda and West stuff came out, which like we'll get to that. But here's what I had to say. Like, I was fully prepared for this to be like the topic of the conversation for the podcast, and then this stuff of the Amanda West came out. This is kind of just like a general statement to the like I I don't want to say like women of Bravo verse because like other than Summerhouse and Southern Charm, it's like not there's not like a ton going on, I feel like. And then Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is not Bravo. So it's kind of just like the younger women of reality TV right now. I specifically the Mormon Wives, I've I think I've seen enough of them because all the stuff with like Taylor and Dakota comes out. This video magically resurfaces right before she's supposed to, you know, air as The Bachelorette and like all this stuff, and now everyone hates Dakota and thinks they're both the problem, all the stuff which they are. Well then Jas Jesse Draper goes on Caller Daddy, right? And it's all like, oh my gosh, like Jesse's redemption story, like she's getting away from like her horrible, disgusting husband, which like obviously like the stuff that they talked about, like he, when they were married, would use her money to pay for like prostitutes and like escorts, like legit, legit. And during the filming of season one, right, they uh she allegedly got these messages from people and long story. She basically said something like this the information that they gave me in those messages was from a time period before we started filming that like they couldn't possibly know, even if they watched this sh the show. And so Jordan tried to play it off as like, oh no, that's AI, like people are gonna try and do this. That's AI. Yeah, we're famous now, like all this stuff. No, literally, you stupid man. You stupid freaking man. So he tried to blame it on AI.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

But I hope if I ever scatle, I'll be like, Rose AI. Like Rose.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

So he tried to claim that because they're famous now, people are gonna, which by the way, y'all weren't famous after season one. Like, respectfully, no one really cared about either of you.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

No one cares. I don't know why people care about them now. Well, it's I think I get the girls.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

The girls I don't give a shit about them. I think my frustration and where I like lose it, where you lose me, is you in so many of the episodes and seasons, they talk about how mom talk is a business and it's about uplifting each other and all this stuff, and they're breaking culture norms and all this stuff. And it's you know, they're young moms who are supporting each other, and they're now breadwinners. So, like the dynamics from what they were raised to what they are now have completely switched. Now it's a big deal, and that's why supporting each other, supporting each other is so important because their community doesn't, and like sometimes obviously, as we can see, some of their husbands don't even support them, and all this stuff, so they they go on and on and about on about supporting each other, and then they do shit like what they're doing right now, and I'm sorry, but like tearing each other down and stuff like that, and then hooking up with each other's ex-husbands. That's for Taylor and Jesse. Like the reason this the swinging thing was a thing was because Taylor and Miranda and their husbands and a couple other wives and husbands were swinging. Taylor took it too far with Miranda's ex-husband, and that's why they got a divorce, and Taylor got a divorce. And originally Miranda wasn't on the show, she got on the show, all this stuff. Well, the last episode of season three is Taylor like on a date with Chase and all this stuff, which is like okay, not only did you know you two break up two marriages, but that's your friend's ex-husband, right? And then all this stuff comes out. That's the theme of today, friends exes. Right. And then Jesse Draper like goes on call her daddy, and it's like the way that she's talking, and like she's speaking so fast, and like all this stuff. And Alex Cooper is smart because she literally timestamped. She was like, By the way, we are filming this at like Friday, so late Friday in the afternoon of March, whatever. So if anything comes out after that point, that's why we didn't talk about it. We're not holding anything back. Like, she she gave an exact timestamp of when they filmed because she knew more stuff would come out. After the Caller Daddy podcast, it's released that Jesse hooked up with Miranda's ex-husband Chase, which by the way, I saw that.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

I also saw that Indy Blue was hanging out with him, which is like she's deaf. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

And the comments were like, who is Indy Blue? Like, who are you? Yeah, who are you? Like, she's one of the most iconic influencers, just kind of in general, not just like Utah. But she was an OG influencer. Oh, she's so cool.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

But my point is, maybe y'all need to- I also didn't realize she wasn't with her husband anymore.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Yeah, yeah. My point is for some of them, maybe y'all need to go back to taking care of your kids. Like, I know that might be horrible to say, but in all these statements and stuff that like Taylor and like all these people have made, it's like, you know, our number one priority is the kids. Like, I don't think it is, because in everything that we're seeing in the public, granted, we're only saying like 1% of things. Everything that you're doing right now, like going on Call Her Daddy to tear down the father of your kids when you cheated on the city.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

I don't know, I don't know what the right answer is, but I just feel like I don't know. I get it, it's part of their job. They should be able to do it. But like if I grew up and just knowing when I know what happened between our parents, and if mom went on the internet, yeah. Like divorce is hard. Everything that she's ever said on the podcast, I would be like, that's something I like I can't.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

She said on the podcast, Alex Super asked her, Do your kids know? She said, I don't know. Yeah. She's like, they're with him right now, so maybe he's told them. I don't know. I know he's told his oldest daughter, but I don't know. She went on the largest podcast in America and was talking about this before she talked to her children. Like, get out of my face about, like, oh, I'm doing what's best for me and my kids. No, you are not. Like, no, you're not. And I know that there's there's like eight moms involved in that group, like, that I'm sure do put their kids first and you know, would drop it in a second. I think that's why a lot of them stopped filming. But it's like the ones who are doing press and stuff like this while they're all filming, it's like, no, you you can't convince me that at least in this point in time you're putting your kids first. I don't think, you know, I I know that like parents deep down, I don't think they intentionally go out of their way to hurt their kids, right? Like I I think they're probably objectively good people, but you you need to wrap it up and you need to go back home and you need to take a second because like you he might your kid might be three now, but he's gonna see that when he's a teenager, and his friends are gonna see it, and they're gonna torment him about him and about his dad and you, about all the things that you did while you were married to his dad. Like, it's just it's wild. They've gotten out of hand. And I sometimes I have to remind myself, specifically for Taylor, like Taylor's like our age. Like, we forget that. She's Alan's age. Okay, well Michaela's our age. Yeah, Michaela's our age. But Michaela's like arguably one of those like mature ones. Okay, so I take that statement back. I take it back. Y'all need to get a grip. Y'all, I think some people, I I think Mormon wives and like what happened with them is a pure example of like not everyone needs a platform. Like, not everyone needs reality TV. Like sometimes you should, if they're if if we find these people that are in like a very niche like culture, maybe we should just like leave them alone and like not inspect them. You know what I mean? Which is not like niche culture, but like niche way of life, like a niche community that like no one understands. Like, we probably don't understand them for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, this this is you're coming in with hot take.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

I know, I'm just I'm just I'm just saying, like, the the it's specifically like the mom talk, like saying one second, oh, like we're here to support one another and we're the breadwinners of our families, and then doing things that completely blow all of it up at the same time. It's just it's just like that.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

I think that just shows you that you would rather have it like you would rather have your shit or your path figured out before you get on that platform. Yeah. Just to like think about like what we're doing right now. Yeah. Could you imagine if like we had something go viral and all of a sudden we blew up overnight and even trying to just schedule this session and we had all these people looking at us and we like couldn't figure it out? Yeah, like you, I think it just shows that like what was I listening to? The Bostics, obviously. Um, and they were like, You the faster you blow up, the faster you go down. And it's I think that's just kind of showing what's happening. And again, like I'm I don't think they're bad people.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

I don't think they're bad people like that. Like I see clips of them and it's like, I love watching the show, like I follow all of them. Like, I don't think they're bad people, but and obviously they're already doing this right now, they already paused production, like they're not gonna see this, but like if they did, they'd be like, Okay, yeah, girl, like we know that's what we're doing right now. But I just think like for your kids, for as for as often as you guys say that you're putting the kids first, you should actually do like think about what that actually means. You know, like airing out your ex-husband or your ex-wife or you know, the mother of your kid is not the best thing for your kid. You know what I mean? So I think they just like need to take a second. And yeah, so friends excess are definitely is is definitely a trend, which leads us into our next conversation. You didn't see what came out this morning.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

No, here's what I'll say before we get started. Okay, is I, you know, was obviously because I bricked my phone during the day. I unbricked it because I saw something, I guess, I don't know. And I wanted to prepare for this. And my hairdresser put a story like, oh my gosh, no one in my salon watches Summerhouse. So I DM'd her and I was like, girl, I'm dying. And she was like, I know. Look what my friend sent me that like everyone thinks it's a prank. And I've been thinking about this a lot. Don't you dare. If it is a prank, if it is an April Fool's joke, that's why I asked you, I will never watch the show again. That's why I asked you. I will be more mad than if it was real. Is it a prank?

SPEAKER_02 17:48

That's why I asked you. Is it a prank?

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Are you doing an April Fool's on me? Because I was planning on doing that at April Fool's on you.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Where is it? Go look at like all their Instagram. They all like posted the same Instagram story.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

What is it for? So many people were DMing me. Hang on. Are you lying? Who did? Sierra? Sierra posted. So they decided on April Fools.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

They pre-planned their April Fools.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

I don't, she didn't post anything. Yeah, I'm just kidding, April Fools. Fuck you, bro. I literally was gonna do that. I was gonna do that to you! My plan was to do that to you. I was gonna be like, they just posted that it was April Fools. No, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

No, because and the reason why I thought about that was because up until that stupid ass ChatGBT curated statement that they both posted.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Another PR agent needs to go to school. Oh my gosh. I I genuinely, if I see one more statement that's just a bunch of words, a bunch of big words strung together that means nothing. Well, here's what it means. Here's what it means. I can't believe you pulled an apron full that I was gonna join you. Like, genuinely, that was my plan. It's like midway through this to be like, oh my god, there's a bothered, and you need to freak out. No. Watch if they actually do this.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

That would be crazy, but I think that would piss people off.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

No, I'm t no, like I'm telling you right now, if they if they do say like, hey, we're all we were all just bored and we wanted to play a trick on you, or this is a brand deal, or whatever, I will never watch the show again.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Honestly, I'll I I I'll kind of eat that up. I'm not even gonna lie. If it's a brand to put yourself out there and read it. As a as a homie hopper? Yeah. I know. I know. Of all things, okay, listen, okay, we need I we need to pause. I need a second. I'm this entire situation is really overwhelming. Before I jump into it, I just want to say one thing. Austin Kroll. Oh yeah, he's so thirsty. Delete your Instagram app right now. Like, I I don't want to see your face. I don't want to hear your voice. I don't want to see any statement. I don't want to see I don't want to see shit from you. Pasta and fucking red and eggs in their stove back. Like, shut up. Literally shut up because.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

No, but at the same time, I went to dinner with one of them and like this was going on.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Like, I would be like, No, I'd be like, Yeah, but him specifically, we have not forgotten about the Taylor and Chepp situation.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Remember when him and Sierra were thing?

SPEAKER_02 20:25

Yeah, of course, I do. But like, please sit this one out, Austin. Like, I get it, he likes to jump on everything and just like over everyone anytime anyone does something wrong, and then just like gaslight his way out of his situation. But it's like, you've done this so many times yourself. Like, he did it with Taylor. Obviously, it's not the same with like Sally's. Like, Sally's not the same, but it's like, you love a homie hopper, Austin. So shut up. Shut up. You're just mad because you're usually the second base that they hit, okay? They don't want they usually don't want you first, they usually want Craig first. Like that's that's pretty much a trend. So Craig or Chef, right? Either go for the face or the money, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:05

But I just think Chef hasn't much money anymore.

SPEAKER_02 21:08

There's no way. Who knows? I don't know, dude. Who knows? Um, but my point being, I don't want to hear shit from you, Austin. Okay? Forget about him. We're not talking about him anymore. What I what I will say about this is I said it in one of our earlier podcasts that I did not feel bad for Amanda Batula.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

I I said that. Well, yeah, I as at some point you can't I was yeah, I was thinking about what I wanted to say, and I don't want to be such a girl hater because I don't like when people like tear girls down for making a mistake. No. But it just shows like watching a bunch of clips back, first of all, I bet Hannah is feels so incredibly vindicated right now.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

I want to talk to Paige.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

I wanna know what Paige thinks. God, they probably know so much. They probably know so much and they probably have so many good thoughts, but they're not gonna talk about it. They can't. It's such a it's their close friend. But yeah, Hannah probably is on cloud nine. Not that her friend is like deep down, like going through it, but she probably Sierra. Oh right. Per Sierra and Paige are really good friends. Right, yeah. Um so yeah, she probably feels like, but she's so vindicated. Like Kyle has shown us continually that he's known the worst. We've known. And Amanda, like, has always just I feel like Kyle being so incredibly terrible has just overshadowed that she's probably not the best either. And it's like, and I when she was going through this relationship and divorce and stuff, I was like, listen, I've been in a relationship where you just accept, oh wow, cool, thanks. I'm so sorry, bro. I'm so sorry. Where you just like accept what you think you deserve because you're you don't feel it, and then she just got to a point where she like knew better. Okay, great. Now I'm like, okay, did she get to a point where she realized that like Ben, the Aussie, thought she was hot. Something was probably she probably had like a crush on Wes or something. Was that what fueled her to move on? Or was it because I thought it was just like she got to a point where she was done being embarrassed? Yeah. So it's making me question all of that. It's making me mad because you're making Kyle look like the better one. You're making me feel bad for Kyle. I don't feel bad for Kyle.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

But okay, I do sympathize with him a little bit. I also part of me thinks that he's probably like still talking to her and like sympathizes with her. Yes. Part of me thinks that he's like being ice.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

There was a clip on Watcher Happens Live where he was like, there's no way that's going on, and Andy was like, Well, if it is, like, how would you feel? And he was like, Well, no one will be worried about me, which is valid. Everyone would be worried about Sierra.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Like he even said that he was like, it would be worse for Sierra. Yeah. And so I I have so many thoughts on the other thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

I think the reason we're not gonna get much of a reaction out of Kyle is because now he's truly free to do whatever he wants. Like now he can go out, he can do his DJ thing, and you know, hook up with all of these girls as much as he wants without getting like shit on for it. Yeah. And like hated on for it, which you know, he's divorced now, he can do whatever he wants. But I I we need to walk it back because some information came out like yesterday that is pretty crazy. Dave Pornoy. So that Brianna knew about it? No, he said that, yeah, Brianna told him at the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Middle of the Captain. Well they rapped filming in the yeah. Okay. And then Sierra posted in February, she tweeted, she was like, girls who move move weird make my fucking skin crawl.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Yeah. And then that was in February. And Amanda posted a TikTok to the sound, like, I can do whatever with whoever the F I want. Like singing and dance to it on February 12th, which I'm pretty sure the Super Bowl is like.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

I wonder what made everything come out.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Honestly, like I've they spend so much time together, and like so many people, like you they get spotted and like they send stuff to people, and I it doesn't surprise me that it came out, but here's but also she's been saying I would never touch a cast member.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

I would never touch a cast member. So she's lying.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

I'm gonna last for words. She's a lot of people. And that's that's what I was thinking about recently. It's like, okay, all this stuff which like I am not defending Kyle whenever I say this, but it does make me think of like what goes on like off camera with her specifically. That he because he talks about he when he would argue with her, he would talk about how like kind of like mean and just like not interested in him, which I mean valid, but just how unhappy they were off camera and the way that she would act off camera, right? We only see Summer House, Amanda. Now, all of this stuff is coming out, and it's like girl, what are you doing with West off camera? What literally, what are you doing? What are you like so seeing this come out, it does make me think like okay, maybe there's a lot that went on like during their relationship that we didn't know about. And I'm not saying like infidelity on her behalf, but I don't know, it's just like the male-centered behavior from her. It just shows you you don't know someone until you watch them how they act single. 100%. And so what I will say about this is that stupid statement is it's gonna be read at the final like final or reunion or whatever. All that statement means is he's gonna do the same shit to her that he did this year. All that means is they are together. Dude, he is literally glorified travel.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

So, so, so thirsty. No, seriously, I th I think he reminds her anything for a moment and for fame and for whatever, and it's it's desperate.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

Well, and I think she's like this the same thing that she wanted out of like younger Kyle is like Wes now. Like, just like the obvious he's not, you know, a young man. I wouldn't say that. Like he is a grown man, but he acts like he's you know 21, 22, and you know, he's the new hot thing, and every girl wants him, but he's also like fun and like can have a sweet moment. He's like he's he was like a fan favorite, I think. And she just like wanted to be wanted by a man who was like pretty unobtainable, and I think that's exactly what was going on with Kyle, like in the beginning. With Kyle, it's like girl, it is so clear that he does not want to be loyal to you. Like, what are you doing? The amount of people that told her before they even got engaged, like, leave him. Like, he is an adult frat boy, he's not gonna be loyal to you. She did it anyway, because like I think she's so like just her behavior just seems it seems very male-centered, and she wants to be wanted by someone who you know is hard to like claim. And so that statement, all it means is we're together, but we haven't defined the relationship. And he's not going to. It's just so sick. He's not going to. And so it's like, okay, girl, so you lost your you, your best friend, like one of your best friends, over Amanda's.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

I feel bad for Sierra because it's like you like she didn't care about her as much as Sierra cared about Amanda. Like, there's so many scenes where Sierra's like crying for Amanda and is like, you deserve so much better. Like, Sierra is such a good friend. Such a good friend. To look the way that you look and to also, yes, and be as like selfless as you are is crazy. Seriously.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

If I look like that, I would be evil. Sarah, but you need to start being a little more evil. Because holy hell, you look good. Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Seriously, what an inspiration. Um I know, but I feel sick for her. I know. I feel sick for her if my friend watched me cry over this man and be so conflicted and so down bad for somebody who knew who also took advantage of me. And then I had to go back and I was still so conflicted, and I was just so torn and like it ate me up. They also hooked up after filming was done and we're trying to figure that out. And then because you're going through a divorce, like there's so many other guys. Like, was it worth it? I hope, like, was a good lay. Like, I genuinely, like, I hope it was worth it. To do something so terrible to another girl. Not even to like, just like say if they're not even best friends, to just a fellow co-worker. Yeah. Like, that's your co-worker.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

No, Mary Helen said it works. It's so yucky. No, Mary Helen said it best at work. She goes, I would not hook up with the ex of a girl I met in the bathroom at the bar. Like, I, if I listen to a girl rant about this one guy and I barely knew it. Immediately glazed out. No, like ew.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Like you're all you mean. Yes, I mean insecure, desperate.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Which is so weird because these girls are so beautiful. But it's like, no, as soon as I associate a man with being this girl's ex-boyfriend, like that's kind of no offense, it's kind of all they are to me. And it's like, I just I personally, I don't know, it's really hard for me to look at another girl's ex and like think of that as an option, let alone, you know, the ex-situationships of one of my best. Oh my god, if one of my friends' ex-situationships ever approached me, like they know to leak me alone because I like the fact that you want to do you even want to like have a conversation with them is weird.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Yeah, I think well in their situation, like they have to, they're on a cast together. Like in a bar friend group, like when someone ends a relationship with someone, like that person like will never see them again. Yeah, but you do have to be cordial. It's the same thing if like someone you work with, you know you have to be cordial with them, like you get that, all that stuff, but you they're immediately right out of reach.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

No, for sure. And it it makes me think like if I was in Sierra's shoes, or just like in general, if I was in this like tumultuous situationship and was constantly venting to her about it, and she knew everything was going on and it was on and off and all this stuff, and then she gets out of a relationship and then gets with him. In my head, immediately my head goes to like, oh, so like she she was talking to him while we were going through that. Like, she at some point in time was playing both sides because no girl like has only one side of the story. I mean, I would hope this girl is smarter than that, maybe not. But like, as a woman, like only having a side of the story where a man is just like gross and vile, it's like, well, then what other reason would you just immediately start hanging out with him? Like, they've been in conversation for a really long time. Like, to say, like, oh, our deep friendship is evolved into something like you have a deep friendship with your one of your best friends' ex situationships. Ew, ew. Why do you have a deep friendship with him? I get it, you're coworkers and you film, but you don't have a deep friendship with any of the other guys. Like, that's weird. This whole like, oh, we just like care about each other. There's so much as it's like, it's not scandable. I'm tired of people saying it's scandable because it's not, but it's giving Rockell and Tom like, oh my gosh, we were just like such close friends. Like, cut the bullshit. You're insecure people, you were bored, and you wanted attention from each other. Like, that's what it was. You didn't have a super deep and meaningful relationship, gag me. Okay, a straight woman and a straight man don't have deep and meaningful friendships, okay? So true. That's they are side characters in each other's lives. They are that is my friend's boyfriend or my friend's ex-boyfriend. Like, you don't have if if a woman came up to me and dead serious was like, I have a very deep and meaningful relationship with my straight guy friend, I'd be like, You have feelings for him, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

But like, what are you talking about? The men in my life has come from friends.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

Right. I don't think it's possible. Right. And so if one of my friends came up to me and was like, even if they hadn't like gotten together, but it's like, I know like he did this to you, but like we just have a really meaningful.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

I was thinking, like, if I like say this happened to any of my friends, and I was in love with him. Deep down I was in love with him. I was just like I'd smack you across the face. I would never get together. I would never, yeah. I'd I'd die with it. I would die with it. Right. I would re I would remove myself from the situation. Not to sound coolier than now, but I genuinely would probably quit the show.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Like I wouldn't be able. I just couldn't, like, it's just it's so in to think about it from this perspective too, it sounds kind of like icky, but like they're famous. Okay? Your reputation matters. They put it in the middle of the year. It's how you get paid, yeah. It's how you get paid, it's how you pay, like you pay your bills, your brands, your likeness, and all that stuff is important. So if anything, you shouldn't do it out of the fear of being hated. Right. And I I think the biggest thing. If like you, if your best friend hurting your best friend is not gonna stop you, if you know hurting your ex-husband's not gonna stop you, nothing else is gonna stop you, it should strictly be how you pay the bills. Like, oh shit, what is what if this all comes tumbling down and I like I lose everything.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

But that's also kind of messed up because it's common sense that it's stupid.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

I know it is stupid from it's especially from like a business and like their career standpoint, yes, it's stupid. But that's also kind of fucked up because like Dave Pornoy saying, like, oh yeah, Brianna told me about it, you know, at the Super Bowl, Amanda posting a TikTok saying she can do whatever with whoever she wants, whenever she wants. And now the public has found out, and they're like, you know, like that there's a uh hashtag on TikTok or something trending that it's like downfall of Amanda Petula, which like obviously we don't want anything to be someone like permanent downfall. I don't believe in cancel culture, but like, oh, now that you're getting so much hate for it from the public, you're gonna release a statement. Like, and I'm sure they had internal conversations, but it's just like it's just weird, it's just weird behavior. I it's it's textbook. Women who move weird because they're male-centered are really hard to be friends with. And like, I I will say, like, in high school, like early in high school especially, like, I was a very male-centered person, so I I understand like being really insecure and just feeling like you need validation, but I've never gotten with one of my friends' exes. It's it's never been that bad. And I fear it's it's I think like yes, it's insecurity, but a lot of it is more of just like, no, take a second, you're yes, you are famous, yes, you are an important person, but you that doesn't mean you're allowed to be like selfish, and it doesn't mean that you can I don't know, just like getting with her, getting with him and then posting, I can do whatever with whoever I want. It's just like okay, so now you're I didn't know she posted that. Oh yeah, you're standing ten toes down in your decision to hurt your friend. Like that's the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

West, no, I I I just don't I have low expectations for men, so I think that's why I'm just like, yeah, he's thirsty. Like it's very obvious he was thirsty. I think the reason why he even showed interest in Sierra, this is I hope she doesn't Sierra doesn't hear this because it makes her feel negative. I think he wanted a storyline. Yeah. I think he and then maybe he did catch feelings. I just don't, I feel like he was smart at the beginning because he knew what people wanted to see from a guy on TV. He knew that you needed to be like, I don't know, like he knew the standard that Kyle set. Yes. He even said he watched the show before he went on. Of course he did. So I just think he knew what he needed to do, and now it's kind of like all blowing up in his face because he's just so thirsty. And so it's just like Wes, whatever, like you're gross. I just expect so much more from a girl. I I do as well. So much more from a girl. Um, I don't know what this means for like filming and stuff. I hope they have crew down there right now. Um, did you see on Watch What Happens Live last night? Yes, on him. Because Peacock, I think it comes out Summer House comes out today on Peacock or tomorrow, I can't remember. Um and she went to the premiere of his show, Friends and Neighbors, I think. And she saw him, he saw her on the red carpet and he was like, Hey, are you doing? Because he didn't know what was going on. And she was like, I've been better. And he was like, Oh, like, so he didn't know what's going on. Son Ham is so hot. Mad Men, please. Um, and he loves Bravo, but I know.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

Yeah, I just like then that and that is why the Bravo verse is so fantastic because we can have all this stuff going on, and then we have someone like him or Jennifer Lawrence on Watch What Happens Live, like talking about it. And it it just it connects us in such a great way. Like, uh, it gives people who like objectively would have nothing in common something in common. Because I feel like so obviously, so many women, but oh my gosh, I saw this TikTok. Do you follow Hannah Ann's little sister on TikTok? Yeah, Haley. Yeah. Um, love her, she's hilarious. Um, she made a really good point. She goes, I think every girl should watch a Real Housewives franchise. Like, I think every girl should watch Real Housewives, not just because it's an amazing show, but it really teaches you how to read people. Like it teaches you a lot about how to clock when someone's lying and when they're not lying, and it is a really good point. Like, I feel like I read people really well, not because of Bravo, but it's just it's just everything these days. But yeah, I've got to be. Have you watched Beverly Hills recently? No, it's been kind of a snooze fest. Oh, um, you should watch it. I'm not that happy with those. Really? Be careful with your mic. She's human too.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

She's being kind of a bully. Really? Mm-hmm. But Amanda, like, it's so hard to do that. She's also going through a lot of it in her personal life. Right. Um, it's not an excuse to be an asshole. No. Um Amanda, like, yes, it's frustrating and annoying, but I feel like Bo's is steamrolling her because she can. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I think it's one thing, like it's very much, I think it's stemming from a place of insecurity. And I don't know why I feel this way, because I love her so much and she is such a badass. But I think she's getting so frustrated with her, and she's just like, I'm gonna walk all over you because I can. And I don't like that. Like, you can be really successful, really strong, and whatever, and still respect other people and be kind to other people that you don't like and that you're irritated with.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Yeah. You know, it just feels like because the crazy the thing with Amanda is like, is she annoying? Yes. Does she say stupid things? Has she done weird things? Yes, but it's like sh it's not like she's like gone out of her way to like hurt anyone on the cast member, and I anyone on the cast. And so that's where I do agree, where it's like it gets to a point where it's like everyone, everyone, we've already read her to filth post. Like, it's okay. But I also, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

It's I I I will I just Because like the stuff that she says about Amanda, I'm like, yeah, I get that. Like, you can't tell people how to talk to you. You can only control what you can control. You can't set all these boundaries and expect everybody. It's so it's so elder millennial. Yeah. And she talks and she talks in this baby voice that's a victim, but then she's like, I'm a badass. Like, you can't have it both ways. You gotta pick a lane, you gotta stand up for yourself, and you gotta just like own it, right?

SPEAKER_02 40:51

Just well, it's just like it goes back to the fact that it's like like the people on this earth, we do not exist to respect your boundaries. Having that this mindset, it's like I have to do all this to like have my boundaries.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Like, you shut up. Like, shut up. Same people would talk about like protecting their peas. It's like, please give me a break.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Like, just just give it right back to them and move on with your life. That's what I do. It's great.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

Choose to not care. That's what I do.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

Like, if someone's an asshole to me, I may like I might just give a remote.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

If someone's an asshole to you, it says more about them than it does about you. So just like whatever, but it's not it's very much like the victim mentality, but at the same time, like I don't know. I feel like they're kind of both in the wrong.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

It gets to the point where it's just like, okay, what are we talking about? Like, it's common sense.

SPEAKER_01 41:34

Like if you you don't like her, yeah, like you don't like her business, you don't think it's real, you think it's a hoax and all this stuff, you think she's all these things, okay. Like, we know.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

Because here's the thing, and like here's where I will defend Bose because we come from a similar we come from. She, like, we're I'm in a similar industry to her, right? She's on like a completely different side of it. But her job as a marketing professional, they are in specifically like the kinds of brands that she's worked for, like Beats and you know, Netflix and stuff like that. She has been, you know, required, like numbers that prove the success of the work that she's done, those have been demanded from her. Like fact, like black and white fact-proof numbers that she is good at her job. And like marketing proof, it's just a really hard thing to do to like run a marketing campaign and you know create branding that's kind of just like this nuanced thing, and then defend it with numbers. And so when this person is like constantly required to be creative, to execute, to be organized, and then also come back to like the people who are above you with concrete facts that support that what you did works. I think she comes from a very like black and white, like just like a so much is required of her that I don't think Amanda is required, like is required of Amanda and what Amanda does. Because like this manifestate manifestation bullshit, like I'm sorry, what? Like, I still honestly like don't even know what she does. I'm gonna be honest, or like what her courses were. So I think it might be frustrating from someone who's worked her butt off her brand, is that she's so successful and it's like real, and then she has this course where it's like manifesting, getting rich, and it's like don't I could I could see where if I were Bose, like going through everything that I went through. Also, her husband died while she was living in New York and she became a single mom, so she moved out had to move out of New York, or maybe that's when she moved to New York, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 43:36

But like she left New York after her husband died.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

Yeah, so she went through like a lot of really hard things, not that Amanda didn't, or like really just like tough life things, she just had to like figure it out. And so I think there's more like proof in the pudding behind Bose's career, and I think she knows that. And so when she hears this like, no offense, dumbass, like talking about how much of a badass she is, but then says stupid shit like respect my boundaries, like I I would be annoyed too, but I agree with what you're saying. You know, it it gets to a point where it's like, we all know she's kind of a nut job. Like just it sometimes with people like a m like her, you just have to let them say the stupid shit that they're gonna say. Like just let them theory. Like they they will make themselves look like a dumbass.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Like you don't have to like, you know, yeah, it's just interesting to see like both get a little bit fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

And catty. I was like, oh I thought she was the sensible one.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

Right, but it's also real housewives, you know? I know. And it it honestly kind of makes me a little feel a little good to see it. Like she's human too. Like she's not always just like perfectly poised.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Did you watch the episode I sent you with uh Skin Confidential, The Bostics? No. You should watch her on it. It's good, yeah. I sent it to you.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

God, I love her so much. I know. She's literally awesome. Like one one of my favorite things that she's ever said.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

I think if I ever talked to her, I'd be so scared to even speak. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

She's like she's just so incredible. Like, oh, she's so awesome. Like one time she was talking about like, I don't do this mentor bullshit. Like, I'm not taking you to coffee where I tell you stuff and you like write down everything that I say. Like, if you want to learn, like get a job and like I can show you how to do it, like all this stuff. Like, I just love how very real she is. I love those. But you know, character development.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Character development.

SPEAKER_02 45:20

I love that her and Rachel Zoe are being like real though.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

Yeah, I will say, like, Rachel Zoe is really clean.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

I love that they're not holding back. God, I love Rachel Zoe. Rachel Zoe, I literally die for you. Oh I literally die for you.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

I die. I die. I die. Okay, I think that's all I want to talk about. We I do have to like it is we're doing this before work, so I do need to go to work. But um final thoughts, I think they should make Sierra the Bachelorette. I hope she gets everything she wants out of life. I hope she knows that good things come to those who struggle and go through hard times and she will end up on top. I don't think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

Yeah, I think she's I think she's gonna see, like, down the road, I think she's gonna get a couple badass brand deals. I saw like predictions that she was gonna be a Victoria's Secret model or something. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, bro. We're gonna see her walk the runway. Yeah, she's getting her wings from this.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

She's getting her wings. Oh my god. That is incredible. That is what makes the internet beautiful is ideas like that.

SPEAKER_03 46:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Oh yeah, I hope she does. Yeah, I really hope she does. I hope she's on the cover of Vogue. I hope she wins the lottery. I hope her, Paige, and Hannah like fucking rule the world. Yeah. Um, because they deserve it. Those are my final thoughts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

My final thoughts are I'm really excited for the reunion. I'm excited for the remote.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

They're gonna be like, the internet made us do it. Like, we weren't ready to talk about it. The internet just put so much pressure on.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

No, but here's the thing is like I, Amanda, I want you to come with the same energy you came with whenever you're posting on Instagram or on TikTok. Like, if you're gonna say that to your friend, you're gonna be like, I can do whatever, whenever I want. I don't wanna hear like what is like that whiny ass voice that you use with Kyle for years. Like, Kyle, like, I don't want to hear that shit. Like, if you want to be the badass that you thought you were hooking up with your friend's ex situationship, then keep that energy at the reunion. That's all I'm gonna say. That's all I'm gonna say. I don't think she will. I don't think she will, and then she's gonna be like, I just I can't explain it. Like he was there for me and all this stupid shit. Like, that's what it's gonna be. And that's they're gonna be like, yawn, tomato, tomato, tomato.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

I hope Lindsay rips my new asshole.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

Dude, I hope Sierra, I hope Sierra's angry. I love angry Sierra. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Yeah, I also, but I feel like she's gonna cry.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

She is, which is horrible. But like I want her to I want her to cry it out now. Yeah. I want her to cry it out now. I wonder when they're fine. I will hold your hand while you cry it out, Sierra. I want you to be angry at the reunion. I'll be angry with you. But yeah, that's my thing. It's like, don't do stupid shit, and then be like, like, I don't feel bad. No one feels bad for you. Wes is gonna be like, yeah, like I can't really like explain.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

He's not gonna talk. He'll literally shut down.

unknown 47:58

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

That's what he's done every single time he's been like held accountable. He's just like that's literally his face. He's just like So he's not gonna with your stupid haircut. Cut your hair. Yeah, trim your mustache.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

Trim your mustache, cut your hair. Go get baptized or something. I don't know. Go get baptized. Yeah. He needs to pray for you.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

All right. Okay, happy Easter, everybody. Bye. Bye.