Why Great Chiropractors Never Stop Serving: A Conversation with Dr. Liam Schübel

I'm excited to welcome Dr. Liam Schübel to the Staffless Practice Podcast for a conversation that challenges the way we think about practice, leadership, and what it truly means to serve.

Dr. Liam has spent more than three decades advancing the chiropractic profession around the world. As an international educator, entrepreneur, mentor, and leader, he shares the principles that have helped him build thriving practices, develop successful business systems, and impact countless lives through chiropractic.

Together, we talk about the importance of leading with service, why communication is one of the greatest responsibilities of a chiropractor, and how strong systems create the freedom to do what you love most. We also discuss mentorship, resilience, and the mindset required to keep moving forward through challenges while staying focused on your purpose.

In This Episode:

• Why service is the foundation of a successful practice
• The role of communication in creating lifelong practice members
• Building business systems that support sustainable growth
• How mentorship can accelerate your success
• Why resilience matters more than perfection
• Creating a legacy through leadership and purpose

If you're looking to build a practice that creates lasting impact while staying true to your mission, I know you'll take away valuable insights from this conversation with Dr. Liam. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:04

You are listening to the Staffless Practice Podcast. We aim to serve the facilitators, practitioners, and teams of the wellness practices of our community with real deal Monday morning ready tools. Be sure to follow us wherever you're watching. Tag us, like us, and make sure you check us out online at gostaffless.com. Okay, so Liam, you know, we both went to Sherman. Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 0:36

Uh no, but a lot of people think a lot of people think I did because I'm such a proponent of Sherman College and chiropractic there in Spartanburg, South Carolina. But I'm actually a graduate from another university that will remain unnamed.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

We're gonna remain anonymous on that one. And your words, my own deep love for our profession has me living life in what I call organized chaos. I divide my time between running multiple offices in Peru and the Dominican Republic, coaching chiropractors to be successful, managing a chiropractic seminar and products business, promoting chiropractic mission trips, being politically active in the International Federation of Chiropractors and organizations, and participating as an active member on the Board of Trustees of Sherman College of Chiropractic in South Carolina, USA. My life is completed at home as a father of my four beautiful children, Liam Jr. and Max Star and Sky, and a husband to my loving wife, Parinda. So my qu and I've never known you to say no. Every time I've asked you to do something or step up in some way, you're like, let's, except for hiking with me in New Jersey or having dinner with dinner men. Um you could be sitting on the couch. So, Liam, please introduce yourself. Who are you? Where are you? And why aren't you sitting on the couch?

SPEAKER_00 2:08

My name is Dr. Liam Schubel. I am a chiropractor, uh, entrepreneur, politician that won't be talking about politics, health freedom advocate that will be leaving out certain health freedom advocate topics during this presentation. Uh and I'm a family man uh and I'm a man of the world. I love I, you know, people I actually am in the People's Republic of New Jersey here in the United States of America. Uh, but you know, I almost don't feel like I'm part of here. I'm really part of everywhere. Uh I think you can be happy anywhere. Um, doesn't matter where you are, it matters the quality of the people that are in your life and the quality of the systems that you've built to design uh the life that you want rather than a life that somebody puts on you. So uh I've 30 years experience in chiropractic. Uh I have 33 chiropractic offices now. Since that uh bio was written, uh I have uh 33 offices in four countries, uh Peru, Dominican Republic, Colombia, and Mexico. And uh I have a mentorship program, ShubelvisionElite.com. It's on the bottom of the screen there. And I work with uh health professionals around the world, and and actually I've been starting to work with service professionals in general, attorneys and accountants that want to grow and scale uh their businesses and take back their time. Because, you know, uh before we got on this call, uh we were we were saying one of the most valuable commodities that we have, the only thing you're not going to be able to get back and recoup is your time. And so I'm passionate about uh helping people, and and one of the reasons I don't say no uh to things like this, because I find uh you know podcasts like this so valuable, because it's an opportunity to help people. And you know, one of my mentors in life uh was a great uh Dr. Donnie Epstein, another magician in the health uh in the health world.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Well said.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

If you don't know who he is, you should look him up immediately and uh and see if you can get involved and get connected with him. But uh, you know, he told me one time the the quality of your life is determined by the quality of the questions that you ask in your life. And and my life has been directed and guided uh by two core fundamental questions that I ask myself every single morning when I wake up, and they are number one, how can I help more people? Number two, how can I improve the quality of the service to the people that I already have the blessing to be able to help? And I find that if you can answer those questions and develop strategies and systems around those two questions, your life will be filled with an inordinate amount of abundance. Because you're of service, exactly right, and and that's the challenge for a lot of people, especially with the new generation, you know, the me generation, it's about me. I want to get something for me. And that's great. We all want something for ourselves. I think you know, innately we're about our own survival, right? But the the the interesting thing about the universe is the more that you give out to it is the more that you receive. You know, as a service professional, you're only as valuable as the quality of the service that you've just given and the amount of service that you've given during the course of the day. And you could apply that to any service industry. And so that's what I'm passionately focused on is getting more service of better quality to more people.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

I so when you were in I'm thinking about the chiropractor or the naturopath or the PT who can barely make ends meet and it's just drowning in practice. Did you did you leave school with this enthusiasm? Have you always had this fire under your belly that you're like, I'm gonna go conquer the world and I'm gonna serve? Or was this something that you learned?

SPEAKER_00 6:14

Yeah, well, I I I had it since I since because uh the one of the mentors I had in chiropractic was Dr. Sid Williams. And uh, you know, he basically taught us, he used to say to us, Boy, you gotta learn how to talk with authority. You know, he was a southern gentleman, and I didn't even understand being from the People's Republic of New Jersey, I didn't even understand what he was saying. But uh, you know, he was saying you got to learn how to talk with authority, and and he and and he really taught us the power and the principles of chiropractic and their ability to, you know, this is what most chiropractors don't realize. It's not about back pain and neck pain. Sure, we get great results with that. There's no question about that. But it's really about the optimization of the individual, and and it's about the optimal expression of the life experience. And and we know that you cannot express life optimally if you have an obstructed nerve system because of vertebral subluxation. Fancy word for the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

What is a vertebral subluxation?

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Fancy word, fancy word for bones in the spine out of place, cutting off the flow of life force over the nerves that exit between uh each bone in the spine. And and everyone has them because there is nobody that lives in a bubble, right? We all have emotional stress, accidents, we all have sleep wrong, sit wrong, you know, we we falls, you know, uh birth process. We all have these micro traumas that cause these uh subtle misalignments in the spine, and and over time that that starts to cause not only degeneration in the spine, right? The spine's like anything else. If you ignore it, it'll continue to degenerate, right? So it needs maintenance. So the spinal degeneration that happens, but what's more concerning is the disminuation of the flow of nerve energy uh because those vertebrae or those spinal bones cut off that flow. And the only way, and this is the interesting thing, you know, uh people say sometimes, I don't believe in cockabrian. And I say, well, you know, thanks for telling me your ridiculous belief system. But I mean, it's like I don't believe in electricity, you know. Uh it's not a belief system, it's a science and it's a philosophy and it's an art. And the the matter of fact is this you cannot live that optimal life experience. You can exercise yourself, you can nutritionize yourself, which is all good, you can meditate, which is all great. But I gotta tell you, there's not an injection, there's not a pill, and there's not a surgery that is gonna allow you to heal, function, and express yourself at your optimal capability if your nerve system is not uh freely expressing itself. And that's the damage. And that's what you know, most people do not realize is that the spine is the fuse box for our entire system. And so if you could imagine, and and you know, we're watching the World Cup right now. Absolutely, and this is what people don't realize, absolutely every single one of those players that you see on the field is under chiropractic care. I wonder why, right? It's because they want to win, they want to function at optimal. It's not about treating their back pain or neck pain, they're all under regular care, even if they don't have any back pain or neck neck pain. They're because they know that optimized nerve function is going to lead, obviously, to better performance in all aspects of life.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

So if you're in a supermarket and somebody asks you what you do, and you say, I'm a chiropractor, and they say to you, Oh, I don't have any back pain, I don't need you, what do you say to them?

SPEAKER_00 9:41

I say that's pretty funny. And I say, I used to think the same the same way. I know a lot of people think chiropractors treat back pain and neck pain. And yes, we get great results with those kind of things, but your spine degenerates over time if you ignore it because you have accidents, falls, you have stress, you sit wrong, you sleep wrong, and uh those spinal bones move out of place because of that, and they put pressure on the nerves and they reduce the life energy over the nerves.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

So And if you have, let me just stop. If you have 10 seconds, what do you say?

SPEAKER_00 10:15

I say your spine needs care because there's stress, tension, and trauma. Period.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Right. Not just when you have back pain.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

It's almost too late when you have back pain. It's it's almost too late when you have back pain. It's like, okay, now we gotta, now we gotta, you know, now we gotta stop the degeneration and we have to start to regenerate it. And that's what you know. I say there's two types of uh practice members that fail in our practice. The first one is the person who gets a series of adjustments, one, two, three, and they say, you know what? This didn't work for me. My pain is not gone yet, right? My my 50 years of degeneration has not disappeared in one, two, or three uh, you know, adjustments. And they go and they leave, and you know, they fail because healing takes time. You know, we we know that healing's a process where the body replaces the cells that have damage with new cells, and chiropractic optimizes that process, but it's a process, it takes time. That's the first type of failure. One, two, three, they think it's gonna be a pill or a potion and all the pain's gonna go away and all the degeneration is gonna go away in one visit.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Because that's what they're being promised on every channel that they open up. It's going to happen really fast, and you just have to do this one thing. So we're saying forever, yeah, I've been getting adjusted for uh 35, 40 years now. I'll never not be getting adjusted, right? It it didn't happen in my first adjustment that I was like, oh my god, this is something that's gonna change my life, but it changed my life. Some people get adjusted and immediately they're like, this is what I've been missing my entire life, and they're in, right? Other people they'll come for I just had someone call me over the weekend, an emergency visit. She called me. I haven't talked to this woman in 15 years, and she called me in dire straits. I need chiropractic in my life because at some point the seed was planted, she knows that it's a solution for optimal living, and here she is resurfacing. Let's talk about um let's talk about wellness chiropractic. Let's talk about the person who doesn't necessarily have back pain or the person who's three days old. How does chiropractic show up in their lives?

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Well, let me finish that that that previous thought process. You know, the the two types of uh failures in the practice are the ones that get one, two, three adjustments and then uh say this didn't work because my pain didn't go away. And the other type of person is kind of you know leaning towards the person you're talking about now, is the person who gets one, two, three adjustments, the pain goes away. They go, Thank you very much. I'm perfect. I'll see you again when my pain comes back, right? Um, that's also not the proper way to utilize chiropractic because, again, uh, you know, the wellness idea is um, hey, listen, I'm gonna start eating healthy after I'm 150 pounds overweight. You know, I'm gonna start exercising after all my muscles have atrophied, right? So I'm gonna start taking care of my spine after uh it's completely damaged for 40 or 50 years. And and, you know, one of the things I think, and one of the things I envision for the future is someday when a child is born, you know, the the people gather around and they don't say, hey, who's the pediatrician? Of course they say that. Who's gonna be the dentist? Of course they say that. I think in the future they're also gonna say, who's the chiropractor? And the person's got not gonna say, well, they don't, the baby doesn't have neck pain or back pain. You know, it's they're gonna say, of course they need to have a chiropractor because the birth promise, the birth process can be very traumatic, and that can cause the first little bones in the spine to move out of place. And that poor baby is entering a world that's traumatic, and their nervous system, which is allowing to them to manage this traumatic world, is not optimized. And so I think in the future, people are gonna look at chiropriders not as bone doctors, as back pain, neck pain treaters. I think they're gonna look like they're gonna look at nerve system optimizers and life expression optimizers as a as a result. And so it's gonna be part of everybody's regimen. I I even think the government is eventually, you know, whether you like it or not, is gonna get involved and gonna say, hey, look, we've looked at the science. People that are getting chiropractic care uh, you know, need less uh intervention, costly intervention, last-minute interventions. You know, the there was a study in Mexico that was fascinating. Um, that because it's a socialized system down there, um, you know, people get their operation for free on the back. You know, if they have a disc problem, they'll get their operation, it's covered by the government. And so what they what they did, uh, you know, Mexico has uh four chiropractic schools right now. What they did was if you wanted a if the medical doctor and you had decided, okay, it's time for an operation on the herniated disc, they made it a requirement that you had three months of chiropractic care first.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

And then if after that you needed a uh um a surgical intervention, fine. And what they found is that saved the the state, uh, you know, the state of Mexico or the federal government of Mexico countless, countless amounts of money. Because obviously three months of chiropractic care is going to be way less than a surgical operation and all the rehabilitation that comes with uh you know after it. And we know also if you even compare the results, uh, you know, the the the health outcomes are probably better as well.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Can we can we talk to the doctor who's suffering in practice who doesn't want to do it anymore? They're looking to add X, Y, Z, and ABC and one, two, three to their practice because they need to make their bills or their rent this month and their burnout, and they're most of them are really just feeling stuck. What do you say to that person?

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Well, I say, look, I've been there, right? Uh um, and I'll say, uh, you know, I I had an associate doc that was suffering the other day, and one of the things I admired about him is that he looked up at one of my top docs and he said, Hey, look, I want to get with you and I want to find out how you're thinking, how you're communicating, and what action steps you're taking. Because I know it's not magic to be successful in chiropractic practice. It's just your thinking, saying, and doing things different than I am. And that's how I started. I started in a country where I didn't speak the language, nobody knew who I was, and uh there was a doctor there that was seeing 500 a week. I said, Hello, Dr. Raymond Page, you are, I am, your shadow. So I would say to the doctor that's suffering right now, number one, look for a mentor, look for somebody that's doing exactly what it is that you want to do. Number two, I would I would caution you not to bring all those other things into your practice because what you're going to do is further for uh foment your failure, in my opinion. You're gonna further foment the message that chiropractic is some kind of pre-pound foment.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

I don't know that word.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Yeah, foment means to uh promulgate or proliferate. Oh. So so in other words, you're you're seeding. You're seeding more. So, in other words, you know, the the power of chiropractic and the power of a big chiropractic and successful chiropractic practice is what? People that understand the message, they bring their family, they bring their friends, and they come for lifetime care. That's the ideal chiropractic practice. That's the no-stress chiropractic practice. That's the abundant chiropractic practice, right? The non-fun chiropractic practice is exactly what you just said the other day. Hi, I haven't seen you in 15 years. Uh, I need an emergency visit, right? Hi, uh, you know, uh, hey, I just come when I need it. Well, because I know when I need it, right? That those are people that didn't get the message. And by the way, the best chiropractic communicator in the world can present that message if people still aren't going to get it. So don't be surprised by that.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

100%.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

But but definitely don't be surprised if you're not even giving the message out in the first place and people don't get it, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:08

If you're I want to go there. Yeah. What are the my deal breaker in my office? Is everybody knows what the safety pin cycle is. Everybody knows what a subluxation is, everybody knows what the safety pin cycle is. If they don't know those things before they leave after their visit one, I haven't done my job. Whether or not it goes in and out, I'm gonna reinforce it, but it may go in and out. Some people get it and it changes their life. Other people, I have to say it 352 times before they say, you know, I've never heard you say that before. What are the deal breakers for you about educating patients? What's really essential for you? You're listening to the Staffless Practice Podcast. If you're enjoying this episode, follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube. Just search Staffless Practice if you see a like button or a follow button where you're watching or listening, tap it so you never miss a beat. Visit us at www.gostaffless.com for resources to help you run your practice with less stress and more freedom. Now back to the show.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Well, you know, I have two I understand what patients want. They want love and they want results, right? And I tell practice members that my reputation is to provide a tremendous amount of love and a tremendous amount of results to my community. And I will not tarnish my rep my reputation for anybody. So I don't work with clients, customers, uh patients that uh are uneducated. So in order to get care in my office, they must be educated as to what the objective of the care is and uh and the the details of the chiropractic care plan and why it's so important to have chiropractic care plan, not only for them, but their family and uh for lifetime. So I I I just won't come in and adjust somebody. Uh and that's what most chiropractors say. Oh, where's the pain? Okay, great, let's get to work. And that's you've you failed the practice member there. And and and listen, this is what I don't think chiropractors realize. Chiropractic is a serious business. You know, people do not sign up for chiropractic care for three core reasons. One is they don't think the problem that they have, the vertebral subluxation, those bones in the spine putting pressure on the nerves, cutting off the life force from the brain cell to the tissue cell in reverse, they don't think that's something serious. Then they don't, and by the way, many chiropractors don't think that's something serious, right? So that's a that's another core issue. So patients don't sign up because they don't think it's serious, they don't think it's urgent. I could take care of this today, I could take care of it in 20 years, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

And they don't believe that you're actually the solution. And I have to tell you, you have to accept as a chiropractor that you're responsible. You have a responsibility to these people. It's a it's a moral obligation in my point of view that if you fail in your communication with these people at the initial onset, you are going to think about this. It's not about I'm gonna lose money because they didn't sign up for care. It's about I've just can because of my uh my inability to communicate chiropractic, this person has now been condemned, condemned to take pills, put injections in, cut things out for the rest of their life, their children's life, their family's life, because I didn't do my job. So, you know, my my worry is not that, oh, they're not gonna um, you know, they're not, they're not gonna give me their money or they're not gonna sign up for a long term care plan. My concern is have I done my job effectively to educate them? If I've done that and then they choose not to, well, it's not on me, it's on them, right? I I I I can't care more about their health than they do.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

And I do, I do care more than they care.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

I have that problem too.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

It's a problem, it's been my Main subluxation in practice. So let's let's zoom out a little bit and go to go to when they're in school and they're studying for they're in school to pass boards for the most part. And they are how are we prepping them to know how to deliver that message so that we can change the trajectory of generations of health? What's happening right now and what needs to be happening? It's a big question.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Yeah, it's a big question, and it's an important question, and it's a question that has a massive impact on the future. Um frankly, the answer to your question is most, the grand majority of chiropractic colleges in the world are not preparing. And that's why you see utter failure in the profession, that's why you see uh a level of tremendous dissatisfaction, something that didn't exist 30, 40, 50 years ago, because 30, 40, 50 years ago, most chiropractic colleges were teaching, get this chiropractic. And so what what changed that paradigm, Jody, and I know you know this, was the acceptance of chiropractic in the uh third-party paying system, you know, the insurance companies. Once the insurance companies took over and had the power of the finances, then chiropractors said, okay, we'll play ball, we'll go into the pain and treatment model, we'll we'll go into limited care, we'll we'll you know, we won't recommend lifetime care. You know, we'll we'll we won't call the shots, we'll let you guys call the shots because we want to get paid. And that was the greatest disservice to chiropractic. That was the greatest disservice to the people that get chiropractic care. And so what I love about Sherman College of Chiropractic, and in my view, it should be the only place that anybody sends somebody uh that wants to learn chiropractic care, or that wants to learn to be a chiropractor, is that Sherman College of Chiropractic teaches the core fundamental philosophy, science, and art of chiropractic. Sure, we teach all the information that you need to pass the boards because without a license, who cares what you know? And then the third thing that we teach, and this is something unique, we have business systems that teach our graduates, because here's the challenge, Jody, and I know I was the same way. I didn't learn business systems when I was in school. So I love to take care of people. As you said, I'm totally empathetic and committed to people. I care sometimes more about them than they do, right? I'm a server, I love people. And when I used to hear the word business, I'd be like, yeah, business, yucky, yucky, yuck. I got it to chiropracted to love and serve people. But here's the here's the fact of the matter is if you don't have those business systems, you're gonna lose your opportunity to serve. And you're gonna you're gonna create a level of disharmony and and unhappiness in your life. So your practice is not a joyful practice, it's a miserable practice because you haven't mastered the business systems. And and so I would suggest that keep on loving, keep on serving, but just add if you want to add something, add some business systems to your practice so you can keep the doors open and you can be abundant and you can love your life.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

So if they have if we have the business systems down, because I see this a lot, but we don't have the love of service, what do we do?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Again, I would say look for a mentor, and I would say, you know, look for the meaning in life. You know, I I I we see people dying all the time. And you know what? For about a week, that's it. And then they're gone, and we never and we never hear about them again. You are only you are only as valuable in this world as the amount of service that you give and the quality of the service that you give. And so if you want to create more self-worth, self-value, if you want to create more happiness, I'm gonna tell you, I just so you know, Jody, uh, when I was 30, I never had to work again in my life because of the business systems I learned in in chiropractic. I work more now than ever before in an intense manner. I mean, not like 18-hour days, but I work intensely and passionately, not because, oh, I got to go to the office. I don't even have to go to work. I go there because I laid on a beach for one week, two weeks, three week, and I go, is this it? This is all there is? You know, there's that Scarface scene where he says, Is this all there is? Eating, drinking. I won't say the rest of the things that he says, but he's basically saying, is consumption all about life? Is that what we're made to do? Is just consume? No, we're here to find out what are our specific talents that we've been given, and then how can we utilize those talents to help make other people's lives better? And when we're doing that, we're gonna be happier and we're gonna live more abundant lives.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

It's so good. I what if this is as good as it gets? That's my favorite line of any movie at all. So if if somebody wants to learn more from you, this is the website that they go to. What will they see there? What do they click on there?

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Yeah, so go to shoebelvisionelite.com, just check us out, go look around. And I think one one of the things that I'm gonna tell you something about myself in the world of self-improvement. I can't stand coaching. I know a lot of people do coaching and and get a lot of value of it. So coaching is fantastic. This is not me bashing coaching at all. Okay, but I don't like it because I feel like somebody's babysitting me. I got to get on a call and they're gonna tell me what to do. I'm either gonna do it or I'm not gonna do it. I don't need someone to tell me to do it. So, what I love about the Schublavision Elite System is it's all online. So if it's three o'clock in the morning, which is a great time for you, maybe, and not for me, right? I'm sleeping. You can sit in your underwear and watch the online courses and learn how to develop systems for whatever service industry you're in. And so you do it at your pace whenever you want, when you have free time. So it's all about you receiving the information when you want. And that's what I've designed. And then, by the way, so you'll watch those things and maybe you have a question, okay, Shubel, well, now how am I gonna get in contact with you? Perfect question. I got the answer. We have a private Facebook page. You just throw the question up in there. Why do I do it in our private Facebook page so that other people in the program could see it? Because the question that you finally had the gumption to ask, guess what? Everybody else in the group had the same question and they're gonna learn. So it's another way where I can use my uh talents to benefit more people instead of just you individually.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

So helpful. Is there anything else that you want to say to the community members of Staffless Practice and the world at large?

SPEAKER_00 28:22

I just want to say you're on the right track. Don't give up. You know, this is uh I was having this conversation with my son the other day. He failed in something. Can you imagine failing in something? Right? It's like, and he was all depressed and he was anxiety-ridden. And I said, son, you look at the top people. And I said, you know, the name Elon Musk, name political people, name people in health field, and the most successful people in the world in technology. And I said, you know what you're gonna see? A long list of failures. The only difference between those people and you is that they kept going anyway. And that's the difference between winners and losers. It's taking the extra step. It hurts. I know. I failed so many times in my life, and I said, This hurts. I I had something happen last week, and the pain was so deep. And I just said, Yep, feel it, acknowledge it. And now, what is it that you want? What's the objective? Keep your eyes on the prize, as Martin Luther King used to say, keep your eyes on the prize, go for it. Go for it. You're not the first person that failed, Schubel. Continue forward, forward movement every day. Ask yourself, what action step did I take? I say I want this. Think and Grow Rich says you can have anything you want in the world, but you got to ask yourself one question. What are you willing to sacrifice to get what it is that you want? Because everything that you want requires some level of sacrifice, whether that be time, whether that be money. And those things you have to be conscious of and say to yourself, I'm going to the mountaintop. Uh my eyes are on the prize. I'm going to take action steps even though I feel crappy today. I'm going to take action steps even though I'm depressed. I'm going to take action steps. You know, Donnie Epstein, again, my mentor, says, you know what the cure to depression is? Doing stuff. He doesn't use the word stuff, but we're in we're in a family program. He says, the cure to depression is doing things. The cure to anxiety is making things happen. And you'll notice the more action steps you'll take, the less depression and anxiety you'll have because you'll see, oh, I'm moving towards my goal. Yes, I failed, like everybody else does. I'm not the only one, but I'm different because I'm taking action steps. And it's that persistence, it's that omnipotent persistence that brings you to the top in any profession that you're at.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Yeah. You guys, uh, I had a moment this weekend where I was like, I don't want to do, I there's nothing I want to eat, there's nothing I want to do, there's nothing I want to say, I just want to be still and feel the sadness. And my best friend said to me, get up and just uh take some steps and move forward and your mind will follow, your mind will catch up with it. Sometimes all we can do is let our body lead the way and our mind will follow because we get stuck. We make mistakes. And I also want to just end with the pain that Dr. Liam was talking about, where we we go through these really hard moments or hours or weeks or years. The lessons we learn from them are invaluable. Keep that in mind when someone comes to you and says, I'm having migraines, I'm having back pain. Who are you to take that from them, right? I'll I'll say to them, it's really exciting that your body is giving you these signals. Yeah, it sucks. And I promise you, on the other end of it is an aha moment or a life-changing experience. So let's let's get your nerve system clear and see what's possible. So with that being said, Liam, I thank you. I adore your enthusiasm. I recognize it as my own. And um, for that, I'm forever grateful for what you do for our profession. And um, I'm just glad that you keep saying yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

Hey Jody, uh I see you. I see you and I see what you're doing, and I love it. Okay, it's mutual.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

Well, you need to come have dinner with dinner in then. All right, you guys, Liam, stay here. Uh, for all of our watchers, go make the world better with great care. We'll talk to you soon, and thanks for watching. Okay, there it is. Our amazing community. We are so pleased to bring you another great episode of the Staffless Practice Podcast. Now, go make the world better with great care.