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From Sideline Meltdowns to Premier League Card Chasing
Raw emotion takes center stage as we kick off with a candid confession about sideline frustrations. When referee quality doesn't match the dedication of players and coaches, tensions inevitably boil over. Our host shares the culmination of season-long frustrations after a bizarre officiating performance in a crucial women's football match. This passionate account explores the challenges of balancing coaching responsibilities with referee development – a unique perspective from someone who occupies both roles.
The conversation shifts to exciting mail days featuring Steven Gerrard collectibles. From Premier Gold rookie cards to Project 22 artworks, Liverpool's legendary captain dominates recent acquisitions. We explore the emotional connection to these pieces and what makes certain cards stand out aesthetically. Meanwhile, unexpected treasures arrive from family connections, proving that sometimes the most meaningful additions come from personal relationships rather than marketplace hunting.
Trading card industry changes take center stage as we analyze the shifting landscape between Tops and Panini. With licensing changes on the horizon, collectors face interesting decisions about where to focus their attention. The new Tops Premier League collection generates particular excitement, offering genuinely premium pulls from retail products. We showcase recent numbered cards including a Cody Gakpo /499 and Hwang Hee-chan /50 – evidence that quality hits no longer require expensive hobby boxes.
We tackle a fundamental collecting question: are rookie cards overrated? Our discussion reveals how collecting priorities evolve over time, with aesthetics and rarity sometimes trumping rookie status. The episode concludes with our vision for building a stronger card community through better collector networking. Join our growing platforms, share your collection interests, and let's create more efficient trading opportunities that benefit everyone. Your knowledge and passion are welcome here – reach out and become part of our collecting journey!
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Speaker 2:New York. Good morning Vietnam. Welcome back. Episode eight. Podcast vendors are here live and direct. Good evening to you. Bc in New Zealand. How are you? I've had better days.
Speaker 1:It's been an eventful day for me, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, let's get straight into it, shall we? There's something that has cropped up, this, or at the beginning of this episode in the green room bc has been um, an orgy boy. He has been in some an incident, shall we say um, and I?
Speaker 1:I haven't been told the full extent of this, so I'm hearing this at first hand as well yeah, I think, uh, I need to handle this delicately um, but and this is not card related but I feel like there is a link because I think, uh, a lot of the listeners know I am a, I coach football, um, I, yeah, coach the the men's goalkeepers for a team in Wellington and I'm the women's head coach for the same team and we had a game today. So we've how do I put it? Yes, I took over this year when I came down here and my team is made up of, like uh, 15, 16 year olds predominantly, so it's quite a, it's a real young team. It's actually been amazing, to be fair, because to see them like, come on and develop, it's been amazing. But this is kind of linked into the incident today. So the other side of that is which I'm juggling is a coach, but I also ref um and I'm a bloody good one.
Speaker 2:Got to get that in there.
Speaker 1:I absolutely love it, to be fair, and I put the effort in. You stay up with the laws of the game and stuff like that and it's been going well. So I'm in my second year, done some really good games over here. But coach on one hand, ref on the other, creates a little grey area and I think what's happened today, where we're young and we've been kind of developing and coming on, it's been a real tough season and I think recently there's been some frustrations over the appointments of the referees and I think what I find hard is that anything I do like with the sports cards and stuff like that, hence us doing the podcast. I give 110% and we train like three times a week and to see the development and the effort that the girls have put in and the level of just the level of just you know just the level of work and everything that's gone into it, and I feel like we're not being allocated refs to the correct standard for the league that we're in.
Speaker 1:We're in the capital Premier League and, like a few times this year, we've had refs that are new refs and stuff like that. Anyone who's refs has been there. You've got to start somewhere, but there's the right place to do your development and learn and stuff like that. And I think what I find frustrating is that I've tried to address this because you can see what happened today coming through frustration and I've highlighted this before and the referee today could be a massive card collector, so I'll keep it clean, but the turnout that would be.
Speaker 2:Classic Jackson Smith and Jigba fan. That would be some episode, that wouldn't it Getting on.
Speaker 1:It's funny because before I tell you what happened, I kind of felt sorry for him after, because he was so out of his depth. I kind of wanted to just go on and Do you know? Do you remember Paul Ifill?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, millwall, millwall. Well, do you remember Paul Ifill? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Millwall yeah, yeah, well, he was there. I was talking to him today. He thought I played for the team that was playing against us and he said the same thing. It was such a fiasco that it got to a point where I wanted to go and give the ref a hug.
Speaker 2:Oh right.
Speaker 1:But he, yeah, like it got to a point where he made some bizarre decisions that you so much to such an extent that I don't think he knew some of the rules and stuff like that, and before he was clearly quite nervous about it and said he hadn't reffed at this level before, which is not good going into a game considering what we, you know, like the effort that we put in and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:You want the best quality refs that you can get, and that's what's a great area for me. There was a series of decisions in the first half that were bizarre and then second half we had this 1-1 at half-time, which is huge for us because we're trying to stay in the league. So this is why, for me, it's a huge. It's a real high-stakes game. But, yeah, he makes a series of weird decisions and he gives to the opposition. He calls an offside the goal was nowhere near offside and then they end up going through and scoring on an incident just after they're all celebrating and I'm thinking and we're shouting offside, but he's not initially, he's just giving the goal. They're all celebrating. He then sort of wanders over to the corner and stands there. No one knows what's going on. And then he says it's offside. So he picks up the ball, walks towards the halfway line and then says it's a drop ball and everyone's like what's going on, like what, what's happening? And then he puts it down and says oh, I don't know, just kick it. And he says that to one of the team and I'm like what is happening here? And then within a couple of minutes they go through again and absolutely miles offside. They score and he gives the goal up and this is this is where the incident is.
Speaker 1:I've absolutely gone and I think it's it's a culmination of um all the effort you put in that you know what it's been hard for the team and the players because, obviously, where they are in their development, ideally you'd be a league below, but we've been competitive the whole season and I think the frustrations of the referee, the appointments that we've had, just came out. So I was just like I can't even remember what I said to him, but how he didn't send me off is beyond belief. Like I would have sent me off, like I would have ended up in the bug. But I remember saying that you know, like making reference to the work, that I kept saying you know we put in work week in, week out and you're not even making the right decisions, not even getting in a position to make the right decisions. You don't have an understanding of what's going on.
Speaker 1:I think I then kicked the ball back. I kicked two balls up in the air. My guy on the bench, part of the coaching team. He tried to sort of pull me away at one stage and I shrugged him off. It was so frustrating, yeah, not good tried to sort of pull me away at one stage and I shrugged him off.
Speaker 2:I was just so frustrated, yeah, not good well, yeah, you, you want the, you want the quality of the ref to mirror the, the amount of effort you put in, right, and if they're not ready, they shouldn't be pushing to that situation, or I don't know what that's the dilemma, though, isn't it?
Speaker 1:because they, you know, we've had a over here. There's like a green shirt campaign, and I've worked with some of the young refs where they've been an AR for me, and it's great because you can, you know, work with them, teach them stuff like that.
Speaker 1:And we've had, you know, one allocation that we had was a female actually girl and she I think she was saying it was her second game or something and I'm like, well, hold on a minute. This is really tricky because I'm a ref myself and, like I said, you want to help them. But this is, this is like the capital premiership. You know like we need to have refs in these games that are at that level and there's plenty of leagues below where you can go and develop and stuff like that. So I feel like so many times this season I've been put in that position where, you know, and I'm paid to coach as well. So in theory, if I don't perform, I could be, I could be relieved of my, my duty. So there's there's that performance side on it as well.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah and it's a huge factor and you know, today was such a big game for us and it was. I wouldn't. You know you, you get people in all aspects who would complain about referees and someone might be listening to this going. Oh yeah, you know another one complain about a referee, but it's, I think, what was what's important for me you know, I was talking to the president of the club after is that there's there's such a there's a big picture behind the isolate or behind that incident, where it's a combination of things that build up to this huge explosion. It's one that I've tried to sort of address prior to it happening by saying that you know there's there's people that just work hard, there's people that you know results go to. You know, like with me, I've got to get the results all on the league and stuff like that. And then obviously there's a team wanting to stay in the league. And I said there's such a big picture and you're constantly, I guess, being let down by the appointments. You know People should. You know.
Speaker 1:On the other side, on the flip side of that, I'm stuck in a system as a referee where every time I've been watched or assessed, I've had like near on, I've had really, really good feedback. So I've always you know it's always gone pretty well for me, um, and I've been given some good games. But you, I'm now a level two. So when you start you do a course and stuff like that become a level one and they do x amount of games, then you get assessed and then they make you a level two and then you have to be a level two for a whole year, but I'm stuck in in that, so I can't become level three until february. Yet every time I've been watched and stuff like that, you know I'm getting good feedback. So my opinion is that I should be um. You know I'm frustrated because I enjoy it and I put the work in and I want to referee high games. So, like, from my point of view, if I said to them I want to referee in the top league, they're going to say you can't because you've got to be x level.
Speaker 1:So my, my gripe is why is the capital premier on the Sunday for the women? Why has that not got the same rules applied? Obviously, that's going to be down, but we still need someone who's at least level two to be reffing our game, not someone that, quite frankly, doesn't understand the rules. Yeah, I know that's a strange topic to bring up, but it's just caught me. I was at the club for quite, so I've not actually been back too long. Really it's been quite an emotional day.
Speaker 1:But what is kind of cool is that the other side were. The feelings were exactly the same. They were frustrated. I mean, we even had a point where I don't know if she was their captain, but she's even on the pitch questioning asking the referee to explain the offside rules because he's trying to give, he's very late on giving this decision for an offside. He's then given a drop ball. No one has a clue what's going on. So it's frustrating, so it makes the whole image of the league and everything like that.
Speaker 1:You know, you start questioning what's the point? You know, and how much do you care? Because if that's who you're assigning, you know referees with little experience or something like that, what's the opinion of the league? Um, and it's been quite tough. Um, for that reason you know like and I've said this about 100 times already but the the work you put in, like you say we train three times a week, um, and there's so much work that goes in behind the scenes when you're planning those sessions and stuff like that. So it's quite hard to take when when you're not getting the appointments that you feel that you should be getting. But you know such is life, we move on.
Speaker 2:We do move on. How many games left for the season Two? Two, and what's the situation you're in?
Speaker 1:We need to win both games.
Speaker 2:Against teams that you think you could beat, or are they like Well?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean the other team. The last game of the season is against a team that are one place above us.
Speaker 2:Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then we've got a night game, a Friday night game. It's against a team who are second, but we did play them last week. Strangely, the game had been postponed a few times for weather and things like that. We played them last week and we ended up getting a series of injuries and ended up playing with the same XI the whole game. It was probably one of the best games we played from the team, like run them all the way to the end and they ended up grabbing a late goal.
Speaker 1:Um, so it's not beyond the rounds of possibility and it's the same as today, like we ended up losing the game 3-1 and I had lost my head and I over here we do like team speeches. So after the game, you what, when you go and have the aftermatch, the coaches will speak. You know you do a little speech and stuff like that and I used it to sort of address. You know I'm not proud of the carry on and stuff like that, but I made sure that that was segregated in my speech.
Speaker 1:I said, look, you know I'm not using this to justify my behavior. I shouldn't get so angry and stuff like that. But you know it's kind of like a season of frustration coming up and it's like to me it's inevitable. If someone isn't gonna listen to what you're saying, isn't gonna listen to what the clubs are saying, where the standard of football is so good that you deserve to have the right level officials, um and if that isn't gonna you know people want to listen to that you're going to have these incidents because of the work, because of the passion, and stuff like that and I think the word passion is used sometimes too much to justify poor behavior, um, but for me it's all about.
Speaker 1:It's not about the incident as such, it's about the what led us to that? Um, and you try and, or you think you're doing the right thing, and you try and have the conversations and you want to understand why. You're getting like new reps who are coming into this high league and you know you feel like that's taken on board and then this happens today.
Speaker 1:I would say, yeah, like it's hard because I'm not going to stand here. I don't want to sit here and be. I know I've already said he was poor, but it's not. That's not, you know, to be taken out of context, I'm not having a go as such at him. He's also in that tricky situation. He should have been allocated like when I started I started doing games Div 4 Div allocated like when I started I started doing games, did four, did five masters and the social leagues as well. So the impact of the results isn't that big um, but we're in the league under the top league in brazilian um and you know results matter and it matters for the team, it matters for the development and stuff like that. So so yeah, frustrating.
Speaker 2:But, like I said, it's weird, sorry, go on. Well, I'm sure you do that referee, but do you do referee reports?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can, we can, we can do a report. Yeah, but the I think, yeah, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't know, I mean he didn't. Actually he didn't even send me off, which is a strange one, because the whole time we were exchanging words, let's say, he had his hand in his top pocket. So I thought I shouldn't say, I thought I was gone and it's funny after. Do you remember man City, qpr, the famous Aguero goal? I remember listening to man City.
Speaker 2:QPR the famous Aguero goal.
Speaker 1:I remember listening to I don't know if it was a podcast or something, but it was something with Bobby Zamora You'll probably remember this in a minute when he said he was talking to Joey Barton. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because he kicked Aguero or something. And then he said Bobby Zamora said to him Joey, he says you're gone, mate, you're gone, so you've got to take one of them with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he was trying to get one of the man City players sent off. But what I was thinking? I completely saw red. I'd never swore at the referee, but I was. I mean, a lot of stuff came out of my mouth because I was just so angry I was, so I was upset. To be honest, mate, like I could have cried. It took everything in me today to not cry Like everything Again, probably for the hundred. I feel like crying now, but for the hundred and one hundred and fucking second time even in. You know, since I've been waffling on. I mean, this is probably 17 minutes of boredom for whoever's listening. But you know, I talk about the work you put in and it's like I can't get that across, like I just live it. I love it. I love everything, you know. I love the development that the players are made. I love the work that we put in the the. You know we've got I've got three other coaches now um we put in so much work and what.
Speaker 1:What's hard for me today is that today was supposed to be a culmination of that.
Speaker 1:You know this was a game that we targeted to get a win, and we've just been in an upward curve and it's not where we've just had new players arrive. It's the work that's been done from them. You know, when we do training and stuff like that and they put the effort in to listen and stuff like like that, and their development has just gone, uh, through the roof. And I feel like, in some respects, my reaction I've let them down, I've let my team down because it's it's something that happens, it's drama and then that affects them and everyone's then on adrenaline and and that side I regret, um, but yeah, that's where I've got a grey area because I'm a fairly new ref. But you know, like this, like that, I put my effort in. So, like I said at the start, I'm always all over the laws of the game and stuff like that. When I listen to the feedback I've had when I've been developing and I put a lot of work in, I'm usually a half-empty, glass-up-empty type of guy, but with reffing I think it's the first time in my life where I feel really confident with it. The feedback I get from players, the feedback I've had from the coaches and assessors and stuff like that, I really enjoy it.
Speaker 1:But being a coach as well, you've got to manage that other side of it. So obviously, when I got my coaching head on, you kind of want people to give that same standard. I think that was the same in England. I mean, you've played football all your life, you're paying for your ref and there's a Respect the Ref campaign, which absolutely you need referees and stuff like. I'm 100% on the referee side and being a referee, you see, yeah, everything's just in a different light. But what I'll never, ever change my opinion on is that if you've got a ref, you've got a. You've got to be good at it, you've got to put in the effort. Because the amount of times I can say I reckon you'll agree, when you have centre circle refs and stuff like that, refs that don't keep up and refs that you just look at them and you think, why are you even here? It's frustrating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just to reiterate, I don't think that's the that's the case of the refs that we've had here. I don't, I wouldn't say I wouldn't question why they want to be there. They clearly they do want to do it, but they're just, it seems to be. They're always in this learning phase and it's having an impact. And I think when I, when I've tried to address it before, I'm quite sort of clear that I'm not blaming them for the result of the game, because I believe funny enough, and this is probably quite controversial that a referee well, until today, maybe a referee won't cost you a game.
Speaker 1:Even if a referee makes a mistake, you've got to question why you're in that position in the first place. If you're 89th minute and you're still 0-0, well, you've not got the job done, have you? So you're susceptible to these things and you know like if a referee gets an offside wrong by a foot.
Speaker 1:The reality is, you should have still dealt with it. If the referee gets the corner the wrong way, it should have been a goal kick. He gives the corner. They score from the corner. Well, you've had an opportunity to defend the corner. Yeah, so I'm a massive advocate of referees. I'm very careful I hope I am Even how I'm explaining this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because no? Yeah, it makes perfect sense. I can understand your frustrations. You hope that you yeah that the effort you put in gets mirrored by the quality of the ref, and if they're not ready, they shouldn't be reffing. So yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm not questioning his effort. Like you know, the guy did well to keep up playing. He clearly wants to be a ref. But this I think today was a display of. I don't think I don't off the top of my head, I don't think I can remember a performance by a referee in my whole life as bizarre as today.
Speaker 1:It was one of the weirdest things I'd ever seen. He just clearly didn't know the rules. There's hard decisions. He just put everything wrong. Yeah, there was a lot of decisions that he changed his mind on. He didn't even signal when they scored their goal, which he ultimately ruled out. He never signalled anything. He let them celebrate. Then he wandered over to the corner and just stood there and everyone was like what?
Speaker 2:are you?
Speaker 1:doing so. Yeah, it was just one of them weird ones, yeah, well.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what we would love to hear the last two games and the reports back from them, because we are hoping for two wins for the team, and, under the lights on a Friday night against Sydney and Leeds, strange things have happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, against Wellington United. I'll be playing against Wellington United. I'll be playing. Yeah, not a good mindset to come into the pod. Podcast vendors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I'll give you a little switch reverse on that one. So I run a five-a-side team. Just a quick one. I run a five-a-side team on a Monday night Fiddlers Elbow FC. We won Division 3 last season and we are currently three points clear of the top of Division 2 with four games to go. Love that. So we are looking at potentially it's in our hands back-to-back titles Unheard of. So, yeah, that would be incredible scenes and that would also tie into where we may do a podcast from phyllis elbow the pub. Yeah, you are back in the country.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, there's a little snug at the back which, um, we've uh, I'm eyeing up and I've spoken to with liam the landlord um, so we can sit there, sup on a Guinness or two and put the wellster right and see if anyone wants to bring a few of their cards in absolutely, absolutely. Well, that's a nice segue. Shall we jump into mail though?
Speaker 2:yeah, let's do it let's do it, I'll go first because I've got them in my hand. Should we say, should we jump into mail though? Yeah, let's do it, let's do it, I'll go first because I've got them in my hand. So I had a great week in two respects. My personal collection of Steven Gerrard has gone up tenfold. As we saw as well we've seen some pictures, yep, so these are the.
Speaker 1:Have you upset any more people on eBay this week?
Speaker 2:No, I've not upset any eBay sellers. If anything, I've made friends. There was a lady that kindly reduced the price for the Stephen Gerrard Premier League rookie card to £10. So it's Premier Gold 2001. Kindly reduce the price for the Steven Gerrard Premier League rookie card to £10. Premier Gold 2001 rookie card.
Speaker 1:That's a beauty, isn't it?
Speaker 2:I see that kit.
Speaker 1:I think of Gary McAllister for some reason.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it brings back so many memories, doesn't it? And then I've got this one 2002 Young Player of the Year. It was called Premier Gold was the range that they released. And then I've got this one, 2002 Young Player of the Year. So this is the top set. It was called Premier Gold was the range that they released. So I've got 2001, 2002, and then I've got 2003 as well.
Speaker 1:Nice Used to have that shirt with.
Speaker 2:Doof on the back. Yeah, oh, how do you do Hold tight? What a player.
Speaker 1:How do?
Speaker 2:you do. I've got the other couples. I've got the old Rookie Card Champions League in there. I actually got a bonafide baller card from the LFC team set, so that's gone straight in into the top loader. Are they?
Speaker 1:your pickups from eBay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all of them, apart from the bonafide baller which came in an LFC team set box. Bit of rest. All eBay yes, I am in talks with people on Vinted for some. There's quite a few England cards, quite a few Gerrard England cards from years gone by. There's a rookie one, like a blue parallel one, which I'm going to probably buy because it's quite cheap. But she's offered me like a I can't remember if it's an auto or a low numbered gerard card for like 55 quid or something as well. If I get, if I buy the other one, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm tempted because it's like a tenner off, but I need to shop around yeah, and check the see what they, what those same cars been selling for. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 130 points. I haven't really dealt with it. I probably should go on there and have a look first. But yeah, positive Gerrard content on my side.
Speaker 1:I've also got the Project 22, which is over there, but obviously you did a post on it, that car honestly in the flesh when I got it, which is over there, but obviously you did a post on it.
Speaker 2:I love that that card honestly in the flesh. When I got it I opened it and it had the tops like folded either side and then it was in like the almost like. I guess it is a slab to a degree, not like a, a graded slab it's a slab.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they're like one touch, they're like with the magnetic thing at the top.
Speaker 2:Oh, right, oh yeah, because it's going to stick over the magnet right, yeah yeah, yeah, so it feels heavy yeah, it looks amazing. So there's another projects 22 gerard card that I've got my eye on, but I want to try and get it like this a similar packaging, like some of them aren't in the packaging, um, so I'm currently shopping around for that, but that card is up there as one of my favourites, actually, just like the artists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good. I like those type of cards to be fair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I looked at the Project 22 collection. It's pretty cool and I'm sure I'll do it again at some point.
Speaker 1:I previously ordered an Alison Becker one. This is going back a few months, but I think it was from someone in Germany or something, but it just never turned up.
Speaker 1:The guy refund. I think that's one of two cards that never turned up for me. Everything else has been good but obviously got the money back and that. But I never. For some reason I never went back to try and find another one. But I think when I come over to the UK I'll probably look at that there just to save on it, back to try and find another one. But I think when I come over to the UK I'll probably look at that there Just to save on shipping. But yeah, that's definitely on my list to get a Project 22 for Becca because it's, I think, with him in the purple shirt as well and the car with the white background just looks fresh. The colour's pop, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:It's funny you say that because you there's some of the cards like some. Obviously people like cards with different reasons and there's some with like uh you know like whatever's going on about some of these cards.
Speaker 1:I think it's a photogenic or whatever, where the whole card is like the photo. Um, and interestingly, I'm not a massive fan of those. I think I'm more towards the. I love a color blast because there, I'm not a massive fan of those. I think I'm more towards the. I love a colour blast because there's not a lot other than that, obviously, what you said it today, like pops, and then the rest of the card's quite obviously white or black or whatever it is where it's quite plain. So I quite like the look of that. But the Kabooms, for example, they look like art, don't they?
Speaker 1:And I kind of like that to be honest yeah, I like the where it sort of strays a little bit more to that, so where you get a fairly clean or simple design that's more towards, you know, a bit arty or cartoony or whatever the word is. I quite like those cards. Yeah, yeah and the.
Speaker 2:Project 22's class yeah, really happy to have got that delivered. Came from Germany actually came very well packaged. So thank you, mr eBay seller. Yeah, but yeah, we'll get on to. So the other thing that I want to talk about is the new Topps Premier League collection, but I'll get on to that later on. There's a few bits to talk about. So, yeah, there's some. Throw it over to you. What have you? What you had in the mail this week?
Speaker 1:chief yeah, I had uh yeah I think, I've said this on the last few shows like mail day for me has slowed down a bit, but I I will have some stuff coming. I did get an absolute delta I'll come back to this in a minute but next week should be good, because I did a few a little bit break mad this week, but I did. I was telling you, mark, I did the National Treasures break, which is obviously a bloody expensive product, and I went in last minute on those two. So it's obviously Nick from KCC. I didn't actually go in on his, to be fair. I went in last minute on was to says obviously Nick from KCC, I think, actually going on his to be fair. I went on some of his filler breaks To try and get the big teams but didn't have the luck this time by with card crazy.
Speaker 1:I just I know something in my head. I went Jets when I think it was eighty five dollars for Jets, about 45 grid English Again, don't know how many shekels but pesos, but yeah, I went and I actually got.
Speaker 1:I've actually got a card that I think you'll be interested in. I'm going to bring it over with me, but I got an Aaron Rodgers game worn relic. Oh wow, what for the jumps? Yeah, I mean that's a shame, but yeah, it was number to 49, I think. But I think I'm pretty sure that's my only game worn relic I actually have in my PC, so I'm quite excited to get that. And then I've got a few other bits and pieces nothing to write home about having my PC. So I'm quite excited to get that. And then I've got a few other bits and pieces nothing to write home about. But the best mail day I had was from the brother-in-law, jake Brady, hold tight, yeah is that good?
Speaker 2:I said hold tight Jake Brady. Oh sorry.
Speaker 1:So out of the blue, completely unexpected, we get. I see a parcel on the sofa at home. I said where's that come from?
Speaker 2:Emma said oh, it was in the post and I saw it had Royal Mail on it and I said, not another one of Emma's pranks, is it?
Speaker 1:well, exactly this is what I suspected, this is what I feared. But I saw it had Royal Mail on it and I was like that's an elaborate prank, if that's taking my hat off to you. And it's funny because I'm standing there bloody grilling her about what's in it, who's it from and that. And she's like, well, just open it and have a look. Good point. So I've opened it and I can see on the thing it's got my sister's name on it.
Speaker 1:Bloody hell. She's sending Open it up box inside absolutely polluted cards. Yeah, some absolute belters I had he sent me, I think I put it on Insta. I had a Nico Williams STC9 from Merlin card, which is really nice, and then he sent me a Cody Gatpo immaculate number to 10, I think. Did I post that?
Speaker 1:I think I did I think so yeah, yeah, which looks really similar to my, the van dyke I showed a few weeks ago, um, and he sent one for the for my little girl, a um disney card which was psa graded, um, I can't remember what grade, and then there was like a load of Seahawks. There's quite a few Jackson Smith and Jigba cards. I think I've put some on Insta and then there's a few more to come over next week and a few bits and pieces, but yeah, like some really nice cards. In there. There was a Russell Wilson I can't remember what the product was called, but it was a bit like Clearly so like they were like acetate cards, so you can like see through them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the card was really nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's gone straight into the PC for the Russell Wilson stuff, but that was really cool. But yeah, I don't think I, the girls, are quite heavily now into Locana. So we went to the sports card shop the other day and for the first time came out with nothing for me, just some Locana cards. Every time I go in there I'm always looking at this graded Beckett I think it's 9.5, but it's a immaculate um Chris Wood card. I was about to say you know you still still looking at the.
Speaker 1:Chris Wood card. Yeah, I keep looking at it every time, and this time I actually asked to hold it.
Speaker 2:So I wanted to look at it.
Speaker 1:And he's laughing at me saying I'm getting closer and closer to it. But yeah, I'm getting closer and closer to it. I think it's the New Zealand thing. He's in a Burnley kit, though. That's the bit that I can't, but the card is really nice. It's more the card With me being over here and stuff like that. I feel like something's telling me I need a Chris Wood card in my collection.
Speaker 1:So I feel like that is on the agenda, but I reckon the day I decide to pull the trigger, I'll go in there and some geezer will be walking out on my Chris Wood card Into the ground. That's my mail day, but next week. I should have a few bits, and then I've got a few like cheap stuff coming off A few more from my AJ Barner where I'm sort of half-heartedly going for the rainbow type thing but there's so many different colours in that Phoenix product that I'm unlikely to. I think that could be a slow burner over the next few years as they appear.
Speaker 1:But yeah, picking up a couple more, but that again, when I come over to the UK that'll be on my list as well. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I've basically been. I fell down a bit of a hole on Vinted looking at Gerrard cards and I went into so for the listeners. My dad is a big Glasgow Rangers fan, so growing up I was heavily involved in watching them and following them, and one of my favourite players for them was Paul Gascoigne, otherwise known as Gazza so I've started to favourite some of his stuff and he's got some really good, some really good Rangers cards, so I might delve into that a little bit.
Speaker 2:Obviously, gerrard is the focus, but, yeah, gazza has always been one of my favourites as well, so watch this space. What's?
Speaker 1:this card, and I'm going back a little bit. But this, this card you said from this lady, back a little bit. But this, this card you said from this lady, did you say that was a numbered card, a low numbered card?
Speaker 2:the eBay the oh no, so it was a Premier League rookie card, the Gerrard, the Gerrard one, and she basically had it up. She had, she's got, five of them. She had it up as a buy all five for life.
Speaker 1:I thought you were saying that she's offered you a deal for about 50 quid on a. Was it a blue parallel?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no. So she's got a Gerard England rookie card, which is a blue parallel, and then she's offered another card numbered. She went if you buy this, I'll sell you this one for £10 off. But I was unsure because I haven't looked into it and researched how much they go for generally speaking.
Speaker 1:So you're going to look into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I haven't got back to it yet, but definitely take the Blue Parallel one off her. But, yeah, unsure about the other one and whether it's priced and whether I want to buy it, to be honest, but I'll let you post on that one as well. Yeah, yeah, do want to buy it, to be honest. But, um, yeah, I'll let you post on that one as well. Yeah, yeah, do um. Right, let's move on from mail, dad. Should we um? Should we go into? So? Patrick mahomes I've got down here, so obviously, big name player in the nfl has um, you can tell me more about this has signed across several products but hasn't signed for tops. Is that correct?
Speaker 1:No, well, no, yeah, that I mean this year. He, when the early release stuff came out, obviously he he was. He wasn't signing with Panini, but he, he, he. He's now signing with Panini, repeating Right, but, but what? But, yeah, I think I was listening to something the other day and they were saying that they're bringing out a. I don't 100% know what it is. It's something that someone one of the listeners might be able to advise us on, but it's something about him.
Speaker 1:They're making like a set, like another set, the specific for him and his autographs. That's separate to the other runs. That and his autographs, that's separate to the other runs. That's just what I'd heard, but I'm not sure. That might be something that we might need to find out a little bit more on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not that insightful for the listeners, but it was just something that I'd heard from another sports card podcast, actually and it's just something I wanted to find out more information on, so I didn't really understand what they were doing. So at first I thought they were saying that he might, or his autographs might, be available across other products within the Panini range or programs or whatever they call them, but now I'm not 100% sure, so I got the feeling that there might be, there might be a like, a specific set for that.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if that's going to go more high end where people will have to pay quite a lot of money, um, whereas at the minute, like I think, in the score I think score he's possibly able to pull his auto, but I'm not sure. Kind of what I want to know actually is whether he's going to be signing across all or, you know, you can pull his auto from all the products this final year of Panini. So that's something that we'll have to look into and perhaps revisit next week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. Well, is that why the Tops aren't releasing any NFL products this year? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's a link to that, but with the, you know, with the license changing we spoke about a few weeks ago. So, like from 2026, tops have got the license for NFL I think, possibly basketball I'm not sure about that but we've um, yeah, like I've been hearing this week that tops now because obviously this year you had the unlicensed stuff, so they, they had their own range of cards, uh, and obviously um, jade and daniels was signing with them, so if you wanted a jade and daniels you'd have to buy something from the Tops. But then you've got that element of do you want unlicensed product. And I think I said I've not actually been into a break for Tops this year, but because I'm like that it doesn't really do it for me and kind of like what we were talking about there.
Speaker 1:The cards are like what you? You want something nice to look at. You want to what? What's your priority? What is it? I mean you could do a whole show on that. You know what? What is it? Is it that? Is it because someone tells you you need that specific card? You want the card? Is it because of its rarity? Is it because of you know, you think you need to have it. But I think for me you're high on my priority list is how is the aesthetics of the card? You want the card to look nice.
Speaker 1:I think I'm not massively into someone saying, oh, you know, you should have this card in your collection or whatever, and just getting it for the sake of it. So, yeah, that's why I've not gone into the top spread. But yeah, I heard this week that they're not going to print NFL this year at all. So this is the last year without the license for them and I think they're just going to go full whack into get the license and then go from there. So it'll be interesting really, won't it? Like, with the new rookie class and stuff like that, what sort of effect is that going to have on the hobby from an NFL point of view? Um, going into next year? So that's definitely one where you know, watch this space and see what happens. But yeah, like it's a bit of a. Is that weird? I don't know. I'm talking like we're, we know what we're talking about, but for me and you, it's like I don't really know how you process the information.
Speaker 2:I just it's a bit of a strange one but Well, when you, when you say, when you, when you say it's unlicensed and licensed, it just reminds me of FIFA and Pro Evo. Yeah, so you had it's exactly the same premise, isn't it Obviously FIFA had the license.
Speaker 1:That's the best way to explain it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what comes into my head. So yeah, obviously FIFA had all of the kits manufacturers, sponsors, correct names and people that played Pro Evo, which obviously we did. Back in the day, we were probably more Pro Evo than FIFA. They had no sponsors, no kit manufacturer. The names were all gobbledygook David Ducker or sponsors no kit manufacturer, the names are all gobbledygook.
Speaker 2:Kevin, yeah, kevin, geekin so they had all these sort of players that, yeah, that you knew who they were, but they weren't legit. So yeah, it's a weird one, because obviously some people, because I've seen some product, some unlicensed product and it's just I don't know, just doesn't feel quite right.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:It doesn't look, almost looks like you're buying. I don't know like a fake shirt or a yeah, yeah that was an interesting one. Well, tops have taken over right. Tops have got the Premier. League licence and it looks like they'll probably get it next year right for the NFL, so do you know, sorry, just quickly, I was just thinking there.
Speaker 1:You know you were saying about Pro Evo. Funny, because when we talk about the aesthetics or why you want a card or what card you like, when obviously like yourself, obsessed with football manager, yep, but like, pretty much, just like. I mean I've done a lot of um, nothing like your wren's game, but you know I've had some good saves, um, but the I used to like being liverpool, um. But the problem is when you talk about licensing, like the football league was licensed so you'd have proper kits, badges and stuff like that, but obviously premier league wasn't. I had the right names but no badges and kits and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:And it's funny because, like when you watch the thing, like you never see the kit anyway, so it's only when you went into the info page. You don't ever see the kit, but it was so important to have that kit in there and obviously you go on online. So every time it came out banks, I could. I've spent nearly 24 hours online trying to download the kits that someone's done and the badges and you import that into the game.
Speaker 1:But I could not play the game until the fucking badges and the kits are in yeah, I'm not playing like with some bullshit, like it's funny because I was just thinking about how then it's the same as the cards.
Speaker 1:I need to have the badges and stuff on the cards it has. It's about how it looks and that kind kind of links to that football manager side of it. You don't want that unlicensed like shite that they put on there. You want the proper… you want the real deal. Yeah, you want the proper badge. Yeah, exactly yeah. But obviously there's still going to be people that bought the top. So it's definitely interesting. Perhaps we'll find out more about why that decision's been taken, but I suspect it's because they're so close to to getting the license next year. So, yeah, probably getting prepped for that, I guess. But again, open for someone to come and explain and maybe shed a bit more light on that.
Speaker 2:Be good yeah, would really be good. Yeah, reach out if you know, know more in it, because we'd love to hear about it, because it is very interesting. Yeah, like that's how far it goes back. Like I mean, you're just talking then about pro evo licensing and football manager licensing. It probably didn't sink in as much then as it does now. Now we know like the ins and outs of, I guess, like businesses and contracts and all that sort of stuff. Um, back then it was just I don't know. For me it was just like that's sort of not the top of the bill, fifa at the top yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah exactly after them provo a sort of second.
Speaker 1:But um, yeah, it's very interesting um it's funny, because there was a few years weren't there, where it's all about fifa. Then it was all about there was a massive spell, primarily while we were using secondary school. Where is that what you said? Pro Evo was king, wasn't it? Yeah, as I got older yeah, like FIFA's, just regained that, but I haven't. I haven't played FIFA since the day Emma went into labour with Lily, my first child. I was playing Huggin and out in my man cave.
Speaker 2:And I went inside. Go on, who won?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Well, actually I do know I'd gone on a losing streak and I was playing him and I won the game and he said to me, like me and Huggin' would play for ages couldn't stop. And he said to me like me and Huggins would play for ages, couldn't stop. And he said do you fancy another game? And I went nah, not really. And that was it. I went in. I just thought no, I've beaten him, I'm not putting myself through this. And I went inside and I think 10 minutes later, emma went into labour.
Speaker 1:And that was the last, yeah, that was 2020. To Labour and that was the last year, that was 2020, so five years clean of FIFA. So I couldn't even tell you. I couldn't, even I don't know what goes on these days, but even then you'd play little kids online and they'd be. It'd be like constrictly come dancing. The players would be doing all these things and you don't stay on the've.
Speaker 2:Obviously we've spoken loads about the fanatics store. Did you see Gerrard and Ferdinand having a game of FIFA in there? Yeah, maybe, maybe we can dust off some old cobwebs when we go out there. Wow, yeah, I haven't played in years FIFA 17, do you?
Speaker 1:know what, though, do you know, actually do you? I haven't played in years FIFA 17. Do you know what, though, actually do?
Speaker 2:you know what? I think that story is a complete lie.
Speaker 1:Because didn't we play FIFA after one of the lockdowns when we went on the? Where did we go? Hastings, or something?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, under the yeah in Hastings, but that must have been about 2021.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was definitely after, so that would have been the last time. Is that? That's when that lady tried to mug us?
Speaker 2:off wouldn't?
Speaker 1:she had all that like damaged furniture and then we went and just like oh you damaged your furniture so the table was like basically hanging on, wasn't it when we got there?
Speaker 2:for dear life. Yeah, when the legs fell off. Um yeah, airbnb, keep your eyes peeled on some of these landlords. That's all I'm saying exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'll try anything um right, I'm gonna get back onto the cars yeah, I'm gonna talk you through the new tops collection after talking about the licensing. Um, it's super exciting, like on my the tiktok side of it's been polluted with people opening packets and things and there's so many varieties. There's like mega tins, super tins, there's pat like um, like welcome packs and all this. So I've got I've obviously got the folder um starting to fill it up nicely. Can I ask you a?
Speaker 1:question before you go into this yeah, thanks for it. Before you go into this yeah, go for it. Before you say anything else, what I want to know is because I can't find any of this over here. I spoke to the guy in Top Play Sports Cards in Lower Hutt and he said that he's ordered some, but it could take a couple of months to get over here.
Speaker 1:So I think that I'm going to hold off because those gold lions are phenomenal and I need a salad gold line. That's. That's on my list, but uh, what? My question is obviously you were heavily into the match attacks and stuff like that, but like, in terms of how premium a product is, that's kind of like entry level as much as I think those match attacks cards are actually really nice. Yes, this new new Topps Premier League stuff is that kind of a cut above that, or are they still going to have match attacks at their entry level, or is this like the? What would this be the equivalent to?
Speaker 2:Yeah right, maybe a product. Well, I'm not seeing anything from match attacks. I don't know what they're doing. I haven't know what they're doing. I haven't looked it up. Obviously for me, starting this journey tops, I don't know. I've just always been drawn towards their product and this product does feel, yeah, top draw. It's like I don't know what it is about. The quality of the card, the feel of the card Just feels premium. I feel like they look nice. The this I did a little open. There's a little gap. Oh she there. Yeah, that's a headline part of the collection. You got all these rookie ones like look at that, speaking of Burnley, aaron Lennon. So these are like the retro back.
Speaker 2:That looks phenomenal, yeah.
Speaker 1:Can you pull one up with?
Speaker 2:cards. You absolutely can. So that's the thing. This is why it's got such a draw. I think now the tops was always for me. I was always whenever I bought a match attack. So I was drawing the tops because I I get a chrome box, I might get a numbered or an auto where, if I buy match attacks yeah, like you said, entry level sort of stuff um, you get the odd like shiny if you will, or you know some like.
Speaker 1:But they're fun rips, though, aren't they? They're fun rips because you the, the variety is different, and you and you're more likely to get, uh, like their, what is it? Black edge, gold edge, and then, and then those cards are really nice cards yes, and now you can get.
Speaker 2:What you can do is the gold line cards are great. I've got two amabdiallo ones now. Great um, so it probably sucked um, but like the, the good thing about this is now that it feels like it's within your grasp, if you're buying packets or tins, to get a numbered card or an auto card. So rather than buy a hobby box or have to pay a high amount of money, I guess you should go and buy a pack of cards from the shop and they might have an auto.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've got a good chance of yeah, putting something from those retail packs yeah, exactly so the outreach is better and it feels like it's more exciting to open these packs and it is a match attack. So I have pulled two numbered cards already. Now, one of them I pulled and I didn't even notice I'd pulled it, reason being you know you've pulled a number because it's like a shiny, yeah. So I pulled a Cody Gatko. I pulled a Cody.
Speaker 1:Gatko Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and get this. I pulled it because of the gold embossed. I didn't see it, so I was pulling it, I was videoing it and I pulled it all and I moved on to the next pack and then I went back through my folder and I looked at it and it's actually numbered. So this, this is numbered out of 499, so it's 458 out of 499, which is cool. I was like that's nice.
Speaker 1:I can't see it. Where is it?
Speaker 2:the embossed bit. You see it there.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh nice yeah.
Speaker 2:It's down next to his leg. Yeah, so that's one. It's a really nice card and that's. You also get the base card and then you can also pull these as well. So that was a Gakko one. I didn't even realise, I thought it was a shiny one, and then I've done a break this morning that I've videoed and it had four standard retail packs with ten cards in each pack and it had three limited edition cards. The last card I pulled from a retail pack was this Huang he Chan from Walls, really cool, nice, and it's numbered 11 out of 50.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:Low numbered cards. You can even say it's a colour match as well, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Obviously they're golden. That is a beautiful card yeah, and it feels great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the quote, like I don't know, for me that was that was dead exciting to pull a numbered card because I'm so from a retail pack as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, from the retail pack as well, so I'm so used to getting match attacks and being like oh, I wonder what shiny it will be, but now yeah, it's sort of like oh, would it be a number that I've seen people pull like quite a lot of autos as well, so it's proper exciting collection I'm really looking forward to them that, that that wolves card though, um, from a retail pack you know number to 50 like that, you know arguably a color match as well, that's.
Speaker 1:That's a phenomenal card to pull out of that product yeah, buzzing like that was the.
Speaker 2:That was the last card I pulled, so I was like I pulled up, it was a. It was like a welcome pack. You got four packs and a limited edition. I was like I haven't pulled anything amazing, but obviously I'm still quite early on the collection. And then the last card. I was like fucking, here we go. And there it was. Yeah, um, so they're both in. They're both in top loaders now. But yeah, buzzing for Gakpo as well, obviously, liverpool fans.
Speaker 1:That's a lovely card, yeah yeah, it's nice, isn't it?
Speaker 2:topical Gakpo.
Speaker 1:Gakpo. Gakpo can't say his name yeah. Jake yeah, one of the cards in my package from Jake was Gakpo, so yeah, so super exciting.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward one of the cards in my package from.
Speaker 2:Jake was a Gakpo. So, yeah, so super excited. I'm looking forward to buying more. I've already got I've already bought two tins as well. Um, they're up on the TikTok. Um, the road to 500 is nearing. I think we're on 488 the last time I checked. Um, so, yeah, the top stuff's getting a lot of traction, like people have. The whole 4U page is polluted with it and yeah, there's been some great pulls already. I saw someone pull like a number to 10, number to 10 jotter, which is obviously really Nice. It's obviously, yeah, obviously, an emotional night. The other night, friday night, watching the game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and Wolves as well. They, they had that T-pho, didn't they?
Speaker 2:of him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, looked incredible, didn't it yeah it was really cool. The, the. I know we've said about this a lot, but I'm looking forward to that Fanatic store because by then the product will be everywhere and stuff like that. And you were saying before you got an exclusive box of, was that match attacks?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm hoping that yeah that's it.
Speaker 1:I'm hoping to have similar stuff um, when we go there, like this new, you know, like a similar type of exclusive thing for for this yeah, I'm sure they will.
Speaker 2:this store's gonna to blow your mind. I didn't spend. I was in there, for I would say I was in there for maybe half an hour 45 minutes Because I was with the wife and she's not overly interested in sports trading cards, Whereas me and you are going there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll be in there.
Speaker 2:Yes, We'll be there till closing time. We can actually spend some time in there and do a break in there.
Speaker 1:You can get they have an area for If you want to make content and stuff like that. That's what we are now, isn't it? Content creators.
Speaker 2:I guess. So, yeah, yeah, they do. There's break tables and they've got a charging port. Yeah, they've got like a charging port. Yeah, they've got, I think, two, but they've got like maybe four points where you can have your own bit to break. Yeah, it's just an incredible store and it always was going to be on Regent Street. But yeah, when we get there, you're going to be in heaven.
Speaker 1:Could there be a podcast from the store?
Speaker 2:I don't see why not. They've got the FIFA bit at the back. There's a big screen and there's pull-out chairs, dug-out chairs. There's quite a lot of areas. It's quite big. I reckon we could do it. I reckon we could do that from there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I MC before we go on to the next next topic I just wanted to sorry I wanted to briefly speak about probably, instead of my ramblings about refereeing and what not, should have started this at the start of the pod, but I just wanted to. We we talk about this most weeks, but I should have started this at the start of the pod, but I just wanted to. We we talk about this most weeks, but obviously TikTok's taken off there's I said this before, but I look at the when I go on there and see what's going on. There's a lot of more interactions per post. There's less followers, but a lot of interaction on the post and a lot of love for the videos you're doing, whereas Instagram we Whereas Instagram we've got quite a few followers but possibly less interaction on the actual post, but both going in the right direction. And obviously we've started now putting the pod on YouTube, putting some videos on YouTube, but neglected Facebook a little bit. Now set the Instagram up so the posts can get posted to Facebook. So in time, people who just use platform, we'll see a bit of content.
Speaker 1:But one thing you know, like new zealand's pretty small. I know like uk america there's like breakers and sales pages, whatever everywhere. And I'm trying to think like what can we do differently? And stuff like that, because obviously we want to contribute to the hobby and we are coming at it from the point of view that we don't know a lot. So we're, you know, come along for the journey.
Speaker 1:But with the facebook, what I think I want people to do people are listening is follow the page, join the group, because that and the links there for it and I think, long term, both in the uk and we want to get a community where we know who's in what. Because this is one of my bugbears here is that you get and we've talked about this before you know like we get a card and it's very. You might get one or two people that you know that might want that team, but I don't know who the other people are. It's quite a limited or quite a small community over here. So what we're? We're in the process, but obviously I've attached like a post, like pinned it to the group so you can see like what I've got. So let's say they're live sales, so they're, they're coined at the point where I first list them and then obviously, if someone wants to buy it, we can do like another name and date and whatnot, um, but they're like live sales all the time.
Speaker 1:So what I think my vision for the facebook and what we can do a little bit different is I want to kind of create uh, I'm not sure how we're going to do it, but kind of like a database, even a spreadsheet. You know, something basic that people can see that's got not details of people, but maybe their name, they're happy and who they're collecting, what they're pc'ing, and then you can create like an ongoing trade. So one of the thoughts I had is how can you create like? I toyed with the idea of like online trade nights and stuff like that, but I couldn't quite sort of map it in my head how it would work. But that's just something I want is because you don't, you know, like I'm a bit impatient, so like when I want something I buy it, but then how do I know that someone else doesn't?
Speaker 1:sit in there going.
Speaker 1:I've got this and I want what he got and I want something where you can have.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of rules around how you post and stuff like that, and that's understandable because you have a big group to manage and things like that.
Speaker 1:But if we knew who was collecting what and stuff like that, could we have a bit more accessibility to, to more constant trading, rather than maybe sales and stuff like that. Um, so I think you've got to start somewhere. So, like, we want to build the page up one a UK sales and then an NZ sales, so we know you know who repeating myself but who's collecting what, and then you've constantly you can see what we're selling, what we've got available, and then obviously you've got the platform for someone else to contribute to that with their own posts as well. So I think that's the what I want to encourage listeners to do and just try and grow that community for us. But again, the goal for us is to have people involved. So it's not being transparent in what we're trying to do. We're just trying to contribute to the hobby and just create a platform or a space where people can come and talk to us and educate us as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, and I think the way that community grows is, yeah, it's interaction, isn't it Like? The database idea is great and I think I'm fully back that and we'll get there at some point. But the only way we find out these people is people reaching out to us and and telling us you know, john doe is a big southampton fan. Great, okay, we can put in the database, if we put anything. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:go to john doe. There you go. But the dream is, yeah, you, you have, you're looking through and you've got cards that you want to get rid of. You go and jump on the page and see, uh, who's interested, um, and go from there and I know that you can. You know people post and stuff like that and in time, I have a group of people that I know who collect, but there's far more. Although, again, using new zealand as an example, yeah, the community's small but it's still a little bit bigger than you think. Like, even when I've been on. You know like I was talking I think he had it today with the guy at top play sports cards was having uh, someone came and approached him about a trade night or trade day for NBA or basketball and they did that today and I was looking on a few groups on Parle to see the location of people and even in Wellington there's a ton of people in these groups who are based in Wellington.
Speaker 1:I've never even heard of them. So you see the names, the common names that crop up in breaks and stuff like that, but yeah, there's loads of people out there that I've not heard of through. Yeah, I'm not, you know, not that I would have heard of them. But you know, through breaks and comments and stuff like that, you get to familiar with names, um, so it's just getting those people involved as well. Like anyone that's interested in a hobby, come in, give us your, what you're collecting, what you're pc'ing, put that in the database and then people got that information and and perhaps we can move away from. You know, like, obviously america's huge. You know that if you jump on ebay you want a specific card, you'll get it on ebay, it'll be there, um, but it's probably coming from america, from America and even in the UK to an extent, because I'm coming back certain things I have a little look at, but you can't get everything you want. If you want that, it's coming from the US.
Speaker 1:So if we can get to a point where we're not having to spend as much money because we've got more information on who's holding what or who's collecting what. I mean, there's even scope. I don't thought about that before, but you could change the database so you could say what you know you could have. You know a certain amount of higher profile cards that you're listed, that you're holding, that you want to get rid of. You know that type of thing.
Speaker 1:So in the ideal world, you get to a point where you know who's collecting what, but you also know you know what. What are your top five cards you're trying to shift, so you're building up a database of what's out there and who's collecting what. So you're maybe spending less, but you're you're getting more of what you want without having to spend that money. Um, but yeah, I think before you do anything like that, you need the numbers, don't? You need people to get to start following a page, and the response on insta tiktok's been phenomenal. A bit slow on facebook, but, um, we'll get there. Um, but yeah, that's the goal. So, just, you know, encourage people to to get People have, like you said there, people have been contacting us and saying about coming on and things like that it's just trying to piece it all together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the enjoyable part. Right the journey, Enjoy the journey. So we're loving what we're doing and long may it continue. Just get involved if you can. Yeah, we want to network, we want a community to build and the more people that get involved, the better. Really, the more the merrier, they say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, here's one for you so again, this would be interesting to ask a long-term collector. But rookie cards are they overrated?
Speaker 2:Good question.
Speaker 1:What's the obsession?
Speaker 2:I love them, obviously because I'm trying to collect the Gerrard rookies, and obviously the diamond rookies that have been released by Tops for this year look amazing and they're quite limited or very limited. I guess it's the first of their kind, isn't it? So that player is their first card, so that's what I think people want. I'm drawn to that from that side of things. But yeah, I don't know, it's a tough one. I wouldn't say they're overrated, but like I can see why people do that.
Speaker 1:Your mic seems to have cut out. Mc. Can you hear me, Are you good? Can't hear you boy? Oh, no, Reconnecting We've lost him. Oh, this is the first Kooman Curry sports cards. The pod rolls on. It's just me. Mr MC started the recording. This is uncharted territory. If you're still listening, it's just me waffling on. I don't know if we're getting him back.
Speaker 1:But if we are still rocking and rolling, what I was saying is like for me oh, are we back rolling? What I was saying is for me Are we back? Can't hear you, boy. This is, this is interesting. I'm going to keep waffling on talking to the listeners while you sort this mic out. Can't hear you. Can't hear you. I have to edit this bit out.
Speaker 2:Can you hear me? Oh, he's back. He's back. Bloody hell, I don't know why. Sorry about that. That was bizarre. Never done that before, but yeah, it started to go a little bit.
Speaker 1:Like it was stuttering, I thought I'll leave it see if it sorts itself out and then it completely went.
Speaker 2:I think I need to get some new mics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, get one of them. I don't know what that was. You know one of the ones that are just there. You know professional setup. Yeah, that are just there. You know professional set up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or did you get an actual mic that you?
Speaker 2:hold. Yeah, I mean, you know, like the proper podcast ones are like jumbo ones, aren't they?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we'll edit this bit out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, better add yeah, rookie cards. Rookie cards Diamond rookie card. I like rookie cards. I think they're the first of their kind. It's the start of their journey, of their career, I guess. So, yeah, I like them. I can see why people think they're overrated, because maybe they're trying to move away from the sort of older stuff, I guess. But I'm a fan, I like them. I think they're cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just feel it's a weird one because, being new to it, you feel it's like kind of what I was saying earlier. You feel you want a rookie card and stuff like that's important. But then there's other firsts, isn't there Like first Super Bowl? Yeah. Do you want the card from their first Super Bowl? Yeah, you know. Do you want the card from their first Super Bowl? Do you want the? Is there a last card? You know their last card, I know you get these these older sort of throwback cards and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:But could you, you know this is going to take a lot of understanding is not what I mean by this, but understanding is not what I mean by this but like their first or so, their last, I don't know, but last proper card, you know, like when they're in their career.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like their last active card maybe. But I just think, like I was thinking the other day, like if you, you know, like this year, like JSN cards that come out, I still it sounds a bit weird. I've not really sort of looked at them and gone, oh yeah, but it's not a rookie year, it's. You know, it's not a rookie card. I still just decide whether I like the card. So is it like because I've kept a couple of jsn base cards because I quite like them, same with the inserts, but it's just for me it's like whether I like the card. But I never got too obsessed with whether his were rookie cards.
Speaker 1:But this year, with the new stuff, I feel like I've been more focused on that, especially when it's not been Seahawks. So like you want, you know, some nice Bo Nicks ones and JD5 and whatnot, especially when it's not been Seahawks. So like you want some nice Bo Nicks ones and JD5 and what not. But yeah, like I was just, I've been listening to a lot of other podcasts and stuff like that and it was just something, admittedly, that they were talking about, which I thought I'd raise here because, like, obviously, with us being new, I just thought it's a question. You know there might be some interesting takes on it because is that just part of you know?
Speaker 1:as humans, they know the, they know what they're doing, don't they? They know what they're doing, they know what, uh, they know how we tick, and is it just something that's been set in motion as something to you know? That's obviously going back a long time. It's not a new thing, is it? You know, when you think about card collecting, it's all about rookie cards. But you know what's the difference when you look at a nice card, is it that important that that it said, you know, says that it's rookie card? It's just I can't quite compute it in my head as to how I feel about it, because it's, you know, the like I said. You always think those cards are more valuable and that you should have them. But but why? Just because it's the first card that was printed and it says that on there. It's a funny one to me because I'm really focused, like I said, mainly on that aesthetic and the rarity. I like that. I like when you've got like a real low numbered card or so. I'm kind of driven more by that, those two things.
Speaker 1:But then you could say that some of the rookie inserts will be numbered as well. So that kind of feeds into it. But I think my two things are how the card looks and the rarity of the card, which make them cool, because there's not many of them obviously. So that kind of makes it quite cool for your collection. But the rookie card thing I don't think it's something that I've been that bothered about. Quite cool for your collection, but the rookie card thing I don't think it's something that yeah, like I've been, that bothered about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fair enough, yeah, so I just thought I'd throw that question out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, think the I mean, I think the diamond ones. Obviously you've seen them and I've seen them in diamond tops, Premier League rookie cards. They look great. They're very rare. Rare, aren't they? I think it was 500 packs, was it one in every 500?
Speaker 1:or something like that they're nice looking cards.
Speaker 2:So that'll be more. Like you know, I think those rookie cards will be held in high regard because they're limited, whereas obviously a lot of rookie cards will just be base cards, so they're probably not held as in high regard. So, yeah, interesting takes on that, actually.
Speaker 1:I think, if you've got patience with it, like some of the rookies from this year, like Mahomes, I think, patrick Mahomes rookie card I think he was rookie 2017 I think and those rookie cards already even, like you know, even a base one is quite, you know, goes for quite decent money and it's something that you kind of want in your collection and it's funny because it's a complete contradiction.
Speaker 1:When I was having my dinner tonight I was having a flick through the New Zealand groups and I think someone sold I can't remember how much he listed it for it was a clearly don russ, so it's like one of those acetate cards, but it was the rated rookie for homes. I think he was I think 120, 150, but it sold straight away. And what's weird is, after everything I've just said, he, he is that maybe a one exception where I quite like a rookie card for my homes, but he's where I say the one exception. I mean I'm not a massive fan of him after the documentary but he's a bit arrogant, but then I suppose you've got to be to be that successful. I've got a lot of respect for him. He's obviously bloody good and, yeah, maybe one of a kind I don't know but I quite like to have his card, his rookie card.
Speaker 2:So that's probably going to go on the long-term list as well now, I think, I'll have a look on eBay for you too, Say again, I'll have a look on UK eBay for you see if there's what's going on. Have a look, I think.
Speaker 1:I think if I'd seen that a bit sooner, I think I probably I may have gone for that. You know, really, yeah, I think I would have because I'm not bothered. This is, this is a massive u-turn in five minutes because I'm not bothered. I'm not bothered about which like one it is. It was. I do like the clearly stuff though. But yeah, I do feel like, but, but that's maybe the one exception because of the calibre that he is. But like, even it's hard to say with, like you know, obviously my biggest piece is Jackson Smith and Jigba. But like I happen to have loads of rookie cards. It's quite difficult to say, you know, if I didn't have one, I'd specifically get one just because. But with everyone else I'm not that bothered. And now I've got a ton of that. I'm not that bothered. Maybe if I sit down and really think about it, that's because I've already got them. I don't know. I don't know what that is, but in my head I don't feel that it's a big factor.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you if you see my homeless rookie card come up and uh, you're sucking yeah, um, I think, then I've.
Speaker 1:I saw I was just having a flick through here because I'm having conversations with nick from kcc about coming on fairly regularly to give us some updates about what's going on, what products are coming up, and I'm just having a scroll through because I'm sure he sent a massage on it. Yes, so on out on the, in fact, mc you should join have you got signal?
Speaker 1:it's an app no I'll send you a link for it, because there's a kcc, it's like a whatsapp type thing, and then you can add to it and you can see, like, what breaks are coming up and things like that. But nick posted, uh, the schedule for the next few weeks. So august, we've got immaculate. So we've just had um, national treasures come up, which is bloody expensive, I think he. I think it retails over here for like four and a half grand or something and I think you get 10 cards.
Speaker 1:Like it's insanity like if you, yeah, if you divided that by well, I think 10 is eight cards. I think I think there was three extra in there, I can't remember, I think it was eight, but I think you divide that by eight. You're looking at what 500 bucks or something. A card, it's eight cards. I think I think there was three extra in there, I can't remember, I think it was eight, but I think you divide that by eight. You're looking at what 500 bucks or something, a card, it's insanity, yeah, and you think, obviously it's 32 teams in the NFL. So if there's no doubles, that's only eight. You know you're going to miss out. It's got me thinking in a week week, like, I mean, some of the prices. I think, uh, broncos were 289 or something like that. You know, can you imagine paying 300 in english money, 150 quid, and you're not even guaranteeing a card? I almost feel I almost felt guilty. You know, paying 85 and putting a match worn relic from aaron rogers. You know, I mean, there's people that have paid a fortune and we'll pay
Speaker 1:nothing. But you know, when you then get them, you can potentially get a life-changing card. Or, you know, maybe not life-changing, but you know, and that's the risk, high risk, high reward, it's the game. But yeah, you've got like Immaculate coming up August, origins. Yeah, you've got like immaculate coming up august, uh, origins, august, uh, september, panini one, and you've also got don russ, um. So that new product line is just churning them out big time. Probably going to get that from panini as well. Last year, get their last, last piece of the pie, um, be interesting to see next year, though, what happens from them. So, like we were saying before me, and you new to it this year, like we know no different. So you're quite excited, you know. Although my first Tyler Lockett card I got from Seattle, which I bleat on about quite a bit, that was actually a tops card and that was all I since I must've been when they last had it, but that's right beyond my my knowledge at the stage Um so yeah.
Speaker 1:I think we've covered what we wanted to cover.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, good chat. Um, have we got a hug in this quiz car, a quiz question or no?
Speaker 1:Oh he, no, he's let us down there. Isn't he really the poor performance really? I mean, let's read his message. What did he say? Yeah, I can have that. Got to read the questions A lot of waffle Waffle he's basically not delivered Again. I'm reading an old message Waffle, yeah, he's basically not delivered Again. I'm reading an old message. Hold on, oh no, Shit. Sorry boys Forgot to do the quiz question. That is pathetic, that's not a commitment.
Speaker 2:Pathetic no.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's been brought on as a permanent member of the podcast team and that's what he does.
Speaker 2:He's pretty much performing the same way that that ref performed earlier today for you In a similar, similar similar fashion, I won't bring him up here.
Speaker 1:No, disappointed, disappointed yeah, disappointed with that. Actually, we're going to have some serious words with HJ. Hopefully next week he can grace us with his presence. If all goes to plan, I've actually got a chat with you. A fellow collector over here by the name of Brock Nash is keen to come on and have a chat about his PC.
Speaker 2:Lovely.
Speaker 1:But we may have to discuss other recording times. That's what we do here to accommodate the people, absolutely. And then obviously we've got your guy potentially lined up as well, and obviously we've got a few others as well. So back to back Coem and curry podcasts and, uh, we'll get back to the guests, hopefully next week, yeah um, we, yeah, I think that's it, anything else from you.
Speaker 2:No, nothing from me apart from love to the family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, regards regards to your family.
Speaker 2:And yeah, we'll see you in the next one.
Speaker 1:Over and out.
Speaker 2:Have a good week Over and out Chief.
