Coom & Currie Sports cards
Remember that rush of excitement when you found a special card in a pack as a kid? That nostalgic thrill has evolved into something much more powerful for today's collectors.
What begins as an innocuous purchase—a Tyler Lockett card from Pike Market in Seattle—quickly transforms into a full-fledged obsession that consumes both time and finances. Our hosts share their remarkably similar journeys into the trading card world, despite focusing on different sports: one drawn to NFL cards, the other to football/soccer.
We candidly explore the psychological elements that make card collecting so addictive. From the adrenaline rush of opening packs to the thrill of scoring a rare find online, both hosts acknowledge their struggles with "throttling back" their spending while maintaining their passion for the hobby.
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Got Lucky in the Breaks (A Seahawks Fan's Dream Week)
Celebrating our milestone tenth episode with Nik from KiwiCard Collective, we dive deep into what's making waves across the card collecting universe right now. From spectacular pulls to market strategies, this conversation covers essential ground for collectors at every level.
Coom kicks things off by sharing his recent hot streak with breaks, pulling multiple Seahawks treasures including a JSN laundry tag numbered to just 5, an Elijah Arroyo RPA, and patch cards that have transformed his collection practically overnight. The group explores why Origins has become such a sought-after product, offering that sweet spot between affordability and premium hits that keeps collectors coming back.
As NFL kickoff approaches, we examine how card values fluctuate with the season's rhythms. Should you sell before Week 1 when rookies are still unproven, or hold through the season? Nik provides expert context on upcoming product releases, highlighting what to watch for in Donruss, Certified, and several NBA offerings hitting shelves in September.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Nik breaks down what constitutes a "true RPA" versus other rookie patch autos – essential knowledge for serious collectors navigating the complexities of modern products. We also explore the philosophy behind collecting: Why do some cards simply "feel" more special than others regardless of value? How do collectors evolve from quantity to quality over time?
We wrap with thoughts on the record-breaking $12.9 million Jordan-Bryant dual logoman card sale. Is it pure flex or genuine investment? The stories behind significant cards often become part of their legacy, making the hobby about more than just the cardboard itself.
Whether you're breaking boxes weekly or carefully curating a focused PC, this episode offers valuable perspectives on finding your own collecting path. Join us next week when we welcome our first UK-based breaker to the show!
Welcome to Kuhn Curry Trading Cards Podcast, where collecting meets the game. Podcast. Vendors back for episode 10. Double digits for the podcast, which is a great little milestone for us, and to celebrate, we're super excited to get Nick from KiwiCard Collective back on the pod this week. Give us some updates about products and we'll delve into that a little bit later, but we're delighted to have Nick on the pod again this week. So thanks for joining us, nick.
Speaker 2:Alright, it's awesome to be back First returning guest. Yeah, I always wonder if you're going to get that second invite.
Speaker 3:yeah, On the third one, we'll have to get the old hat-trick ball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sign a hat-trick ball for him. Yeah, cool. Well, let's dive into some serious business that you BC have had quite the midweek, so I'm here in the green room.
Speaker 3:I know the ups and downs of buying into breaks, but I've been away all week actually, which is why I'm absolutely shattered. I've been wrestling for it's tournament week, for I think it's all sorts of sports, but I've been up in Parmy, up in Napier, and in between games I jumped in the car and I bought into some brakes and I've had an absolute banger.
Speaker 1:One of which is from Nick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, look, your one's actually funny, nick, because I watched it on repeat, but I'll come to that in a second Because I saw a message just before I watched the break and I suspected that I might have pulled another good card after the break I had with Card Crazy. But yeah, I jumped in the car, watched that one on repeat as well and I got a. It was Origins, and I got a JSN, I think it was International, I can't remember the name of it, but it was number to five, but it was a laundry tag memcard, number to five. And I think with the new products that have come out so far, there's not been a lot of Seahawk stuff, so I wasn't that optimistic when I saw that. And then I had a larger Aurora, the new Titan.
Speaker 3:I had an RPA come out as well in the same break, so I was absolutely chuffed to bits. But just before that was the Score box as well and I got a Jackson Swift and Jigba auto base guard, so an absolute flyer. And then when I watched your one, I watched it after, like I said on the repeat, and I saw a comment like when you load it up it had like a preview of like the last two comments and I think it was HR hadr had commented about. It's something like you can't miss, or something you can't miss at the moment, and I was watching it and I was like, oh, it's got to be, that has got to be a reference to me um and then, obviously, with your one, I got uh elijah aurora again with that unbelievable patch.
Speaker 3:I think to.
Speaker 2:I think to 49, wasn't it? Yeah to 49, yeah.
Speaker 3:The patch on that is unreal. So I absolutely chuffed to bits. And then again tonight I've got the Sam Darnold card as well, which I think was tonight. Absolutely on fire, but I've been looking at some things that other people have pulled from Origins and there's a lot of nice Seahawks stuff coming up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was talking to Matthew about it last night and he's using a break over in Aussie, and out of three boxes, I think there's four Seahawks cards came out there as well. Yeah, nice little run for you. I wish I was having the same luck.
Speaker 3:Well, it does go in peaks and troughs. The other funny thing about that one is that after I'd had the cards come out the card crazy one I went with Jets on yours box two.
Speaker 3:I think it was. What was it? I've forgotten. I was going to not be happy, was it? Matthew Bricks, I think, messaged me and said, or someone had tagged me in it saying about going for Seahawks. And I mentioned, I was like I don't know, because I've had those decent cards come out of Card Crazy and I was like I'm not going to get anything this time, surely. And then last minute, and then obviously pulled that card but, yeah, absolutely chopped the bits. Yeah, I think I've got one more to go with Card Grazy as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've got two boxers up at the moment. Eh, yeah, yeah, long may the run continue.
Speaker 3:I know I've jumped on that as well, but I saw what's the one in Christchurch. Is it Dime Cards?
Speaker 2:Yeah, dime City yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, someone. I've tried to track him down but someone pulled I don't know if you've seen it, but a Milrow patch as well from the Origins box that they did.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I haven't seen that one yet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh that is really nice. It's a guy. He's not in your group. He's not in any of the groups that, um, I'm part of, so I'm trying to try. I can't message him. On facebook I found who I think it is and I've added them as a friend, so he probably thinks I'm a weirdo.
Speaker 3:But, uh, right as well just trying to track him down just to see, because a few people actually messaged me which is like really cool about the community, so like you, you start getting in contact and stuff like that. But I had at least two people message me about that with his name. They know he might be interested and apparently it was a random team's break. So I'm going to work on the assumption he's not a Seahawks fan and will be looking to shift it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so change your profile pic so you've got a Seahawks logo up there, so you don't look quite so weird.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a good shout actually, yeah, specifically Jalen Milrow, or maybe I'll put a screenshot of that card being pulled. But yeah, like for breaks this week, it's been like unbelievable for me, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, origins is a nice product. Every year I've kind of got quite a few in the cabinet over there of Broncos Rockies. Yeah yeah, it's a good set to collect the Rockies out of. The RPAs are normally quite nice and you get some good patches yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I own up a Milrow actually on Card Auto on eBay. That might have to be next month after all these breaks, but I think when I started I missed that cycle of origins so weirdly. I didn't know there wasn't many cards in the break.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's another one of those A7 cards per box, but the price point's a little bit better than National Treasures and IMAX. It doesn't hurt the wallet so much. But that chase card, the blank slate, it's such an awesome card. Yeah, the case hit. You know, I ended up getting the Bo Nix last year. I was hovering over a break. You know, should I take it? Should I take it? And then by the time I finished procrastinating, someone else had, and so I ended up just buying the Knicks off him. Same thing as you with the Milrow. Got straight in his inbox, introduced myself and said as soon as you fancy, because he doesn't normally take them. So I was like as soon as you're ready to sell, let me know. And yeah, it rocked straight in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but don't forget, I've still got those two Bonex cards, if you're interested. That second one I asked you about was it Red Stars or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, red Stars, or something Red Stars from Optic International.
Speaker 3:I check that quite often, but there's no other sales coming up on 130 point, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:I did see one listed, but I think it was just it was by now if no one's buying it. But yeah, I think a lot of people have been sinking their cash into those case hits and then the bigger products that are coming out. But generally, yeah, I mean what we've been seeing on eBay lately, with the football season just around the corner, is the price is starting to spike and, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I'll put that on the chat about shortly, but with the game starting, it's going to be interesting to see what happens with the 2024 rookie class and, as we'll speak about shortly, there's a couple of interesting fixtures. On week one, yeah, definitely. But yeah, with the prices, I mean you're, you're no more way more than what we do. But I think what I've been listening to recently, a lot of people say, potentially, just before the season starts, get rid of some stuff because obviously after week one that can really the prices can shift as quickly as that, depending on what happens. I don't know if that's.
Speaker 2:You start seeing a bit of movement once players are on the field, especially this rookie class where it's a little bit of the unknown with a few players. Once they actually start playing. It can go either way. It can go up pretty quickly. It can also go down pretty quickly, especially with injuries. But yeah, we'll see how it kicks off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, one of the fixtures that's interesting is Vikings-Bears, obviously with JJ and Caleb Williams. That's going to be a good good week one clash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think JJ is kind of the great unknown from last year, the only one from the rookie class that hasn't stepped on the field. So, yeah, his prices have been pretty good right the way through, pretty strong. So, yeah, interested to see how he goes and the type of game he plays, whether JJ keeps getting lit up down deep or is it all going to be in the tight ends and in the middle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely one to watch, Definitely interesting. But yeah, we'll come. We'll talk a little bit more about that shortly. Mark, do you want to crack on with mail day, shop day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a really underwhelming week for me actually, because I get my cards predominantly delivered to work, if I order them, and I've actually been working elsewhere. So I have two cards that have been delivered but they're not in my in my hands, so looking forward to getting them tomorrow. And the two gerrard cards, um, two number 250s, um champions league tops. So I'll grab them and um, yeah, looking forward to getting them in my hands. Um, I bought another tin, so there was a newsagents I went past. A lot of the top stuff is like that's it's selling out, yeah, like in supermarkets and and newsagents are off licenses and they're sawing.
Speaker 1:I walk past newsagents and had a poster small poster in the bottom of the window saying we sell tops premier league here. So straight in there there are two teams behind the till. That was it. Um, so I bought one of them and um, it was really basic. I didn't pull anything. Um, but um. I then went past the same new news agency the next day and the poster was down. So it obviously sold. Um. But I did manage to pick up a couple of eco packs yesterday, um, so looking forward to cracking them open. Um, hopefully, hopefully, pull an auto or a numbered card out of them but um originally bought for myself and don um but unfortunately didn't get to see him yesterday, so I'll be breaking them later on today um other than that.
Speaker 3:You know, like with those eco packs, do you get the same like chances of getting like the autos and numbered stuff, because I've seen some of the stuff online that's coming out of those boxes and there's some phenomenal stuff for for like a fairly entry-level type product yeah, I think they're all um.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think there's some more deep diving specifics in terms of what you can get from like just like a retail singular packet, compared to like getting a tin or super tin or an eco pack. So I think you're more likely to pull I think from what I've seen from anything that's higher than a singular packet. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, um, but you can still pull good stuff from that. But I think you've got a higher chance if you're buying the bigger packs than just a single pack. Right, okay, yeah, 25 cards in each. Yeah, two classic limited edition ones. I pulled a mummered card from a Christian Romero. I pulled it from a Nicky Nicky you're a football fan.
Speaker 3:I think, I asked you this before.
Speaker 2:I get confused. You have to call it soccer no, not a big fan watch the big games, the World Cups, that sort of thing. Don't follow religiously. Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, nice um question for you, nick. I think Matt have asked you this before, but, like, obviously we're talking about my old days and last time you showed us some of the stuff from your collection but do you? Like, like I know, day to day, week to week. Are you going into other people's breaks? Are you buying cards? What's your?
Speaker 2:I'm kind of. I guess not for a while I went a bit crazy, yeah. So I pegged that back a little bit. So I got a little bit of mail in this week, the odd single card coming in. She picked up a Stetson Bennett RPA to 99. Got to use that a little bit later for that true RPA discussion. And what else was there? A card I picked up for Nick Blinko, the set he's chasing from Phoenix.
Speaker 3:Oh, contours.
Speaker 2:Yeah, managed to find another contours that he didn't have in his list. But yeah, this week's mail was kind of a few boxes of origins, a couple of boxes of select racing and um and a whole lot of uh supplies, case of top loaders, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the engine running do you buy boxes for yourself as well? Like I know you mentioned last time, you've got some put away for Christmas, and maybe I was imagining that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm out and about cruising through the shops and go past EB Games and there's a blaster there. Got the same temptations as everyone else, but yeah, I have the personal rep as well from from my inventory. Just try, try to just save that for special occasions like birthdays, christmas, that sort of thing. Otherwise, yeah, just don't want it becoming a habit, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But, like the packs Martin was just showing there. If you find those $20-$30 packs, pull yourself a downtown out of one of those. You'd be pretty happy and it's $20-$30, so it's no biggie.
Speaker 3:I find with those, though you know, when I first started in EB Games they obviously cycle through along with what's coming out, but when I first started they had the the mosaic, and they were what you call the value packs. I think they were like 45 dollars, that's. That's kind of where, when I first started, I was getting those, um, but I absolutely love mosaic. Um, I don't, and I think that's partly to do with what I was buying when I first started, but I think the cards are really nice. The base cards are pretty plain. I've got a Devon Witherspoon, I think it was numbered to 15. It was blue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they've got the fluorescent parallels in there and all of their retail products. I think Mosaic has the fluoros in it, so the value packs have got the blue. I think Blasters have got the fluoro orange. It was kind of a lime green one as well for a while, but yeah, we ended up because we buy the boxes of those yeah, and break the boxes of value packs as a break.
Speaker 2:And quite often there's one good hit in amongst a box like that which would be one of those fluorescent cards, low numbered, or potentially an auto micro mosaic, something like that. A mosaic is a good product for case hits.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is nice. I found a, you know on eBay, because obviously for us over here in New Zealand I mean it's different for for you, mark, but I think it's not obviously America they've got everything you want. So whatever you search, it's there, isn't it? You can find it, but here, obviously, you've got the delivery. So I think I think I mentioned this before but when I tend to buy off eBay, I go for something that's graded, because then in my head it's you're not paying for that. Graded fees, that's kind of like the, the shipping.
Speaker 3:This is almost like weird. It's like I know weird self-justification for spending the money. But I used, I started filtering out to try and find free shipping and see what there was for sort of Seahawk stuff. And there's a guy who sells from canada who does free shipping, and I've just been getting a few like those mosaics but I think they were, um, maybe three or four years years ago, but there's all the different colors of russell wilson when he was still at seahawks, and he's they're selling them for like I don't know, four or five dollars a card with free shipping. So I don't know how his business is working, but it's, uh, it's working for me, so I've been picking up a few of those he's doing free.
Speaker 2:Free international shipping. Yeah, that's awesome, yeah yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like like cheapest chips cards. Obviously they're not, they're not numbered or or particularly valuable, but I just think they look amazing and I quite like cards like that. You know, obviously we're chasing the numbers, the autos and stuff like that, so that's one thing, but I've quite enjoyed getting those. Like they're cheap, free delivery and so trying to get all the different colors from that. I just think the cards look really nice.
Speaker 3:I don't talk about this often, but I also have a little Tua PC going as well. I quite like his cards, so I've grabbed a few from them as well. But with the free delivery, why not you?
Speaker 2:can't go wrong.
Speaker 3:Eh yeah, something in the post keeps me entertained.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I won't hold the tour.
Speaker 3:I won't hold the tour collection against you yeah, um, but yeah, like you, on the with mail day, I've had a, an unbelievable mail day because I've had your cards from yourself and obviously, with being away, like I came back to just a mountain of parcels there's been and obviously, with being away, I came back to just a mountain of parcels. There's been the last few parties there's not been a lot, but yeah, I was talking about it on the other show but I finally got the Aaron Rodgers player warm patch as well, which is good.
Speaker 3:I enjoyed that I didn't think it was from the same one. But I got the Tarek Woolen auto from National Treasures and not a big fan, but the Chador, chador, chador, chador, chador, saunders From Luminance, eh. From Luminance yeah, number to 249, but it's quite. It's really nice like the. It looks like it's almost like like black and white and then it's got like purple corners. It's quite, quite sharp, quite like it yeah and then not not one to really shout about with Daniel Jones number to eight from Phoenix.
Speaker 2:Luminance product and its photography is awesome. It's just a shame that it's collagen-y. If they're all in pro-many it'd be an amazing product. One of the products that they haven't done. They didn't do last year Chronicles they used to do a reissue. So within Chronicles you'd have like have a reissue. So within Chronicles you'd have the Luminance cards within that. And then it was yeah, those players, but in their pro unis and kind of the update later in the year yeah, yeah, they're definitely.
Speaker 3:They are definitely really cool cards. There you go. There's another one that's the Aurora as well, but that was from Luminance. So yeah, a lot of bits and pieces. It's nice, even some of the cards that are not particularly valuable, but when you come home and you've just got parcels of cards to go through, it's good fun.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not always about the value, eh. Part of collecting is just about the card being cool and what you enjoy. It's awesome to hit something that's worth something and potentially a bit more in the future, but it's just in the eye of the beholder, eh.
Speaker 3:It's interesting because, researching for this, I've been listening to a ton of different podcasts, mainly mainly um, american and that, and recently they've been talking about obviously the, the grading standards and stuff like that, where we're now seeing um like ai, aren't we? And things like that. So I guess in the future you'll you'll have that uh, consistency. But what they were talking about what I found interesting is maybe I could be talking out of turn, but how easy it may have been in the past to get a 10 or the value of a 9 in the past and the value of a 9 now. But then they were talking about I can't remember how they put it, but it was.
Speaker 3:You know, when you view a card, obviously some people are obsessed with that 10 or that 9 or whatever it is, um, whatever it's graded. But then you've got the I'm not sure the correct word is but like the aesthetics of the card and actually how it looks, um, and I think for me I mean it's interesting because, going back to the aaron rogers one, obviously it's a nice card, but for me that that card with the gold trim and the colors, with it being jet it, just it doesn't do anything. For me it's cool that it's it's player worn and that's, and that's possibly why I keep it. But for me, like, the cards that look cool are what makes me tick. Yeah, um, so obviously we want that rarity, I, I guess, and the numbers and the alsos and stuff like that. But, like, for me the cards got to look good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the cards got to pop, eh, and that's why some of those I guess the Chrome cards kind of become quite popular. They got that little bit of that flash about them. National Treasures is kind of toned back. Yeah, yeah, but, yeah. But the patches bring it to life that one. I think you've got. There's plain white on the patch which, yeah, kind of it, doesn't stick out as much.
Speaker 3:No, it's pure. That one for me is purely for the fact it's play at all and it's Aaron Rogers, but yeah, otherwise it wouldn't be as a card. It's not particularly exciting to look at, but it's the same with the with the woolen I showed, you know, like, but I guess that's the style of national treasures, um, whereas then, like you know, with the daniel jones, for me that card looks really cool. Obviously it's a shame about the player, but it's a really cool looking card. And again, luminance. You've got the photography as well, which you know you can really appreciate.
Speaker 2:I don't think Martin would be too worried about the National Troopers card and maybe the uniform is a bit off, but I'm sure he'd appreciate it.
Speaker 3:I'll bring it with me to the UK. We'll see what we can do. We'll have a sit down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:We'll have a chat. It's funny because that Premier League stuff we were talking the other week, mark, about match attacks and stuff like that which is like your real budget entry level, but it's fun, isn't it? You just pick a pack and have a rip and you get some decent cards. The Premier League cards are really good looking. I'm really impressed with how it looks.
Speaker 1:I think all across the board, with the quality and the aesthetics, the photography, everything's just up a level, which is why it's doing so well and it's doing so well it's got so much traction at the moment. That's why I can't find it everywhere. It's obviously doing well and it's selling well and people are responding really well to it and pulling really great cards. So, yeah, I'm eyeing up these two eco packs thinking what have we got? What have we got? What's in there? Yeah, fingers crossed.
Speaker 2:Is that?
Speaker 1:all topped up.
Speaker 2:All Tops product as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's the first season that Tops have taken over the Premier League, the contract, and it's just, yeah, it's top draw, really good stuff. And I've already pulled three numbered cards just from retail packs. No boxes just like teams or eco packs.
Speaker 3:Matching Tops was like Champions League, and that wasn't it. And the European stuff, it wasn't Premier League, was it no?
Speaker 1:yeah, it was across the board. Yeah, it was sort of all over.
Speaker 3:Europe, yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's just so much more exciting to open these Tops packs Because you sort of, like I said last week, you sort of knew what you were getting with match attacks. It was sort of you won't get anything out of the ordinary, it was proper entry level stuff, um, whereas this is just elevated, um, and it's just been so well received, like my feed. The view page on tiktok's just polluted and I've seen some unbelievable pulls. Like I think I said last week, the van dyke to 10 signed, uh, auto, sorry, um, yeah, and I'm just, I'm just getting excited thinking about that. Imagine pulling that like, especially for like a little fan anyway, um, or just pulling anything that's like they've got all those retail boxes yeah they've got one of ones like they're out there as well.
Speaker 1:I've seen a couple of them, um, which is crazy from a retail back, but yeah, super exciting.
Speaker 2:So yeah, watch this space, I'll see what yeah, you have to keep your hands on a hobby box. Treat, treat yourself to a hobby box and have some real fun with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they do this. What do they do? It's called like a super tin. I can't find it anywhere. It's online I can order it, but like it's one of the few ones that I haven't seen in shops, so I think I guess it's sort of similar to like a hobby box Probably the same amount of cards or whatever.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I'll definitely get one at some point, but you're just gonna see if they do that or do you know the answer to that, whether they have a hobby version of it there isn't one at the moment, but what they do is they do throughout the season. They they'll do like an update and they'll do like a limited in, like packs, multi-packs, but I don't think, I don't know, maybe, maybe, watch this space.
Speaker 3:I guess, hopefully a Fanatic store exclusive.
Speaker 1:I mean, it would make sense, wouldn't it, that it's the first season they've got the store and they did that massive launch for the collection. You know, Steven Gerrard, rio Ferdinand, shearer all went down, your mate Alan Shearer, nick, it's this massive launch, so I'm sure they're clued up enough to go. They'll release some sort of exclusive boxes of some sort. But yeah, we'll have to let you know in December when we pop up yeah, definitely see what happens.
Speaker 3:I'll have to bring an additional suitcase back just in time. That'll be like the unofficial supplier.
Speaker 2:You're going to bust that weight limit with cards.
Speaker 3:Cards will get heavy real quick.
Speaker 3:Exactly. Yeah, I could be the unofficial supplier in New Zealand. Just bring them all back. Yeah, changing subjects slightly, I am doing a bit of research for the pod. This week I stumbled across the fanatics, uh, iconic 100. Now I don't know if this is a new thing, but what's interesting for me is, like you, more like season long-term collectors. It's probably quite interesting how they have more. But they basically said on there that they spoke to so-called industry experts and then collectors and they collated it all together and they've come up with this list. But I was looking at the top 10 and I was thinking, from I don't know what, are we amateurs? Would we call ourselves amateurs at this stage? But I was trying to think of the cards that I would think that I that kind of stick in my mind when I thought about cards before I started collecting. So that's obviously quite modern and I think from the I guess you know King of Collectibles.
Speaker 2:Golden when I watched that King Golden, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's it. I was watching that kind of at the start and obviously you learn about the Honus Wagner card and Mickey Mantle, but before I guess I had any interest in it. It was kind of well-known to me about the 86 Fleer Jordan card. But there's one that surprised me the Tiger Woods, the upper deck Tiger Woods card. I don't know if you can picture that where he's kind of like pointing towards the hole. But that wasn't on the list. But I mean, well, it wasn't in the top 10. But when you, I guess that would be my only input into having a discussion about the cards that have made it. But I've got the list up now, tom Brady being one of them, number six. But I just wondered what your thoughts were on that top 10, if you had a chance to look at it or.
Speaker 2:I've had a bit of a look at it. Yeah, I hadn't actually seen it until you messaged about it today, so I jumped on and had a bit of a look at it. I hadn't actually seen it until you messaged about it today, so I jumped on and had a look and I guess the American market to kind of baseball and vintage baseball dominating in there and I guess vintage is where kind of that real top end is here and quite I think that top end is and quite I think that American market is just quite a different scene where there's such a variety of cards and cards going back a long way that you don't really see down under. But yeah, it's good to see a couple of basketball ones in there. So the Jordan LeBron as well.
Speaker 2:I think it was LeBron with his exquisite RPA and the classic. Where is it the Larry Bird, Irving and Magic Johnson? Yeah, but seeing that in a 10 is crazy for the age of the card.
Speaker 3:It's interesting though, because I think you know I like the I'm not really into basketball a couple of Jordan cards, but generally like I'm an ultra I don't know what the word is ultra modern collector, but it just got me thinking where these are specific cards, so you've got like a lot of. You know there's a lot of tom braden cards, for example, but this, the, the one that's at number six, is it's very specific, isn't it?
Speaker 2:it's the 2000 playoff contenders yeah, it's um, it's rocky ticket. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all autographed up and yeah, I think, I think you can actually get much better.
Speaker 3:No, but it's got me thinking. You know like, say, in 10 years' time, where you know we've been collecting and stuff like that, will I get to a point where there's a specific card, because I found this fascinating, you know, reading about it and why they've selected it and stuff like that. But it's what what's kind of piqued my curiosity again, coming at this from kind of newbies, um, and then hitting it hard. You know, like, obviously, doing the podcast and stuff like that is, um, how it's not. You know, for, for collectors it's not just about, um, their pc and stuff like that. This is very specific in it, it's a very specific card and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:I find that fascinating, um, so it's quite quite cool going through the list, um, but it just made me think well, you know, we get to a point where someone asks you and you can give an answer of a very, very specific card that you see, you know you feel is iconic or important or you know you put in this list. So it's been quite interesting reading through that. But yeah, I know it covers a lot of different sports and stuff like that. But I just kind of wondered what would be your not iconic, but what's your. You know when you think of like your, I guess, for you being a Broncos fan, what would be your grail?
Speaker 2:I was actually looking at one the other day. It's the Elway Rookie. Yeah, it popped up on an Aussie site for sale and I kind of I just saw it and went, oh shit, that's cheap. And I kind of went off and had a look and I was of and I just saw it and went, oh shit, that's cheap. And then I kind of went off and had a look and I was like, oh, it is pretty good deal, but we're back to it and it was just so badly off center. Yeah, I kind of went I I'd rather, if I'm buying something like that, I'd buy it, buy it graded already. Yeah, so you know you've got, you know it's, it's the real thing, which means it'll be the real thing. Yeah, but yeah, elway rookie. And still, yeah, I still quite like Elway. Flawless auto. Yeah, Not quite sure of the year, don't really need to be specific on that.
Speaker 2:But, going back to that kind of you know, player worn era, if I can, yeah, but we'll see. There's a few on the list.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 3:I think you'll probably say, mark, like you know, I've got like a pretty decent JSN collection now and I think my answer is like super modern. So you're going to get people that you know may roll their eyes at it, but for me I've got my downtown, I've got like seven or eight autos, I've got an on-card auto, um jsn, I've got an rpa and stuff like that. So I feel like I've ticked most of the boxes but my again a very ultra modern answer at the minute. My next one where I can feel like I can close the door a little bit on the JSN thing is a Kaboom. So that's on my list and then I feel like I'm pretty happy with that then and I think my next focus will be on Mule Road. Yeah, that's it for me.
Speaker 1:All by yourself, man. Yeah, I've seen a Stephen Gerrard Futera auto on eBay. Don't know if I've told you this, but it's up there for like it's on for like 8 grand. And just because I, I put it on my watch list but I obviously never going to spend eight grand. But, um, they came back and offered me, offered it, offered it to me for like six and a half grand. Um, which obviously I didn't buy, um, but it's just nice to know it's there. I know it exists, um, it's from his dengue seat. But, yeah, eight grand I would love to get that card.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's the trade-up challenge yeah. Work your way towards it, yeah that's the goal. That's an interesting point as well, isn't it?
Speaker 3:like you. You know when we're talking about like the cheaper cards or that just look nice and you enjoy having. I've asked myself that question as well, because in theory, you could sell a hundred percent or a percentage of a collection to get something really nice. But I feel like for me, like it wouldn't be the same, like I could trade everything I've got for like, let's say that you know, whatever I could sell it for, for the, you know the most expensive jsn card that I could, I could get with it, but it just wouldn't feel the same as having that collection. So I feel like the, the cheaper cards are nice to look at, that you enjoy it, just as important really in the long term as as, uh, you know, those bigger hits, for example yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it takes time, yeah.
Speaker 2:so you kind of, while you're all those sales are going on and you're building towards that big one, something else pops up. You grab it. Yeah, goes off track for a little bit, um, but you know, yeah, I mean, basically it's kind of the eye of the beholder here. Whatever you enjoy, same with what's in my cabinet. Here there's a real mix from low end to high end memorabilia and it's just awesome to have a better look at. You know, yeah, definitely, digging into the boxes every now and then is a good little flashback as well, reminding yourself that you've got stuff that you'd completely forgotten you had.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what I was saying before, nick, isn't it? You know, have a nice shower glass of red. Spend a bit of time in your collection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so don't you.
Speaker 3:I just love it. I've got a load of mine just spread out here. It's just, yeah, it's good fun. I just love it. I've got a load of mine just spread out here. It's good fun. I don't think I would trade what's in my collection now on PC for that one big card. I feel like it's again I'll reference this all the time but because obviously we're new to it, it's like all these feelings, even when you're ripping a box or something like that, it it's all new and it's, um, you know, like, what do you want to do with it? For me, like, having all these, all these cards, I wouldn't trade that just for one card. I feel like that's, you know, the absolute gray or comes somewhere down the road. Um, I wouldn't trade what I've got. I like. I like you know all the seahawks cars I've got and things like that, the cheap ones and the more expensive ones. I think they're just as important in that collection.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've just got mine split out here where I've got the stuff that I know I'm going to keep and I'm not going to. That stuff that's mine is not going anywhere. And then there's the other stuff that's off to the side. That, you know, it's not necessarily pc. It still looks good. I'd like to keep it, but if something comes up, um, it's, it's on the block, you know uh yeah, differently yeah, and it takes a little bit of time to build that up.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, years two, three and four you'll start. You know, um you'll start running out of room as well. Um, yeah, yeah, and that's you know. It's just just part of it, as your I guess you clicked in journey kind of moves along, yeah definitely.
Speaker 3:I've already got her another recent purchase of another, another box, so it's already getting a bit out of control. Right, we move on to? Yeah, I think one of the things we were discussing is just some updates what's coming up with KCC and if you, you know, going through the products, what's coming out and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we've got still not a lot going on in WWE land, but I mean for NFL and NBA is a pretty big month. September. We've got a little bit of NFL WWE land, but NFL and NBA is a pretty big month, september.
Speaker 2:We've got a little bit of NFL. We've still got some of last year's product coming through, so Panini 1, which is a single card product. That's it, I think. On the 4th Then you've got the Oranges Blasters, so the international blasters, but a retail version of that Still probably the most expensive blasters, but a retail version of that um, still probably kind of the most expensive blasters, um out there but but nice product and a few kind of exclusives in there.
Speaker 2:Um then, yeah, move into donruss. Uh, flawless and certified um. So flawless won't be a product that kcc does um I don't, don't know if we'll actually get to see any broken in New Zealand. I think last year it was around $10,000, $12,000 a box. So yeah, yeah. It would be nice, but you saw how long it took to get National Treasures done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of just probably a bit out of our league. One day I might get to open a box, but yeah, it's kind of. You know some nice products in there. Donruss you've got the new downtown, so the new rookie class their downtown's going to be in the Donruss product.
Speaker 3:There's got to be some Seahawks in there surely We've got a couple this year possibly.
Speaker 2:They normally have a good mix here of, I guess, old sort of vets and also rookies. And then NBA. We've got six products for NBA. So Optic Fast Break, which is kind of a variation of just the Optic product, obsidian 1-in-1, which is like the Panini 1 NFL, but it's got two cards in there, right, so two cards per box. Immaculate Prism Black, which I've not seen, well, I've not seen in NBA before. It was in a Chronicles product for NFL which was instead of the silver frame that Prism has had a black frame on it. But that's coming up for basketball. And then they've got Flawless as well at the end of the month. So some real big ones in there. I think you'll see NBA Flawless ripped in New Zealand. There's a couple of pages that sort of get that done, yeah, but yeah it won't be a huge amount of it.
Speaker 3:No, it'll be good to watch though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's awesome to watch those big boxes. Yeah, there's a bit of a thread going, was it last night in the Card Crazy chat, when they're asking everyone about what was their favourite break or their favourite product.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think someone did mention Eminence in there, which I haven't seen for a few years, which is a step up from Flawless as well. I think $30,000 a box.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's got some beautiful cards in there. Yeah, you just kind of see them, but you wouldn't catch me trying to break it or jumping in a break.
Speaker 3:No, but that's like what I think we were discussing on. The last one is, even with the Immaculate and National Treasures like Seahawks, obviously wasn't that particularly expensive so you can do it, but then I think, wasn't Commanders on? One of them was like best part of $300?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I've. Actually, I think I still got my lists right here. I was 185 and an iMac, but yes, 300 on international treasures yeah, that's the I know you got.
Speaker 3:The potential rewards are huge, but just for me that's just crazy. Buying a team for that sort of money and then not getting anything, that's hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mentioned last time jumping in that flawless breaks in the States. So just jumping in a one-off case break Just so that I could yep, I've done it, and if I get something I don't. If I do, it ended up with something nice. But yeah, when you've got a rookie quarterback in there, it's kind of no, we'll leave that to someone else.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think if I was going to do that, I'd watch as many YouTube videos as I can, which, admittedly, in the early stages I kind of did that to see I was looking at the products and seeing what teams come out more frequently when I was trying to build up some stuff to trade with other people.
Speaker 3:So seeing kind of I don't know, I guess it's a bit of research to try and reduce that risk or maximize your chance of getting something nice, and it did. I found it vary from product to product, but I think if I was doing something like that where you're kind of putting a lot of money up, I definitely watch as many videos as I could find just to see what the frequency of the teams that are coming out. But I don't know if it works like that, but it definitely gives you an idea. But I feel like the products I've watched this year, there's definitely patterns because, you know, look at, look at this week with me. Origins has obviously been good for seahawks, whereas score hasn't been too bad. But luminance for me personally, I've hardly seen any seahawk stuff come out, um, but origins, origins has been good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's not been a huge amount of luminous broken, but same with Broncos here I haven't seen any sort of Broncos stuff. There was, I think, one, bo Nix, but the second year that I pulled out of a box None of the new rookies, which is kind of where my interest is. So yeah, well, it's been a bit quiet the last few weeks breaks. It's actually been quite good because there's nothing coming out here so it's good. It's uh, money in the bank, um, instead of in someone else's pocket, uh. But yeah, I think, um, you know, as you start sort of getting in our origins, donruss, certified, um, there's some really nice cards that come, come out there, um, certified, with their um, oh, what is it? The, the, the rpa that they have um and certified, it's really nice.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, it's been mostly been a horizontal card um, freshman fabrics it is, oh yeah. So yeah, it's my sort of majority being horizontal, except last year they went vertical on it. Yeah, but it's kind of that early season or early in the year nice product and it still comes at a decent price point. Yeah, that and Darnrass are still kind of that lower end of the price points and plenty of of cards get away from those six and seven card boxes for a little while yeah, they're good fun as well.
Speaker 3:You know, like when you know when you're you're going to come away with something as well. Yeah, it definitely makes it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you said about freshman fabrics. I've got a Zach Charbonnet actually RPO with a nice packaging that was yeah, I had that in my house for a few weeks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I remember you saying.
Speaker 2:yeah, I think I bought it off card crazy. Yeah one of the guys, mitch, who had the card. He works the same business as me and we caught up doing a show and he gave me a hold of the cards to try and sell them off for him and that was one of them. Yeah, but yeah it didn't. Didn't work out, um, and ended up down a card crazy and then on to you. So it made its way to someone's pc, which is awesome.
Speaker 3:That's it 100 yeah, it's a nice card, I think. I think on top of my head it is number to 10.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, it's the 10 yeah, it's got.
Speaker 3:The patch was really was really cool on it, which is why well, that's not why I bought it. I bought it because at the time I was just like anything Sea Orcs I'd buy but yeah, it's a nice card, that one nice. Yeah, that's in my Sea Orcs in my PC, true RPA then true RPA yeah, so we, we like, yeah, like the time we've been. I think I've spoke to you about this, mark, but I spoke to Nick in the week because, again, I was listening to podcasts and they were talking, talking about it might have been, I can't remember who it was, but they were talking about a true RPA.
Speaker 3:It's a current receiver. They were talking about Jamar chase, I think, and I was saying that in the collection and it possibly was national treasures.
Speaker 3:They were saying that his you get an RPA with it was numbers 25, but they were saying that the the one that was numbered 200 or 99 was more valuable because that was classed as a true RPA. And I've heard that term quite a lot. For some reason I've never. I'd never looked into it or never understood it. And then I was listening to that conversation and I thought I'm going to ask Nick, I did try and Google it but I didn't really understand it. And I know we had a brief exchange of messages the other day but I'm still not fully understanding what that is, because obviously, before you explain all the different products, there's different RPAs as well, isn't it so in my head.
Speaker 3:I can't work out how one product or one particular one becomes this true RPA so generally in the checklist they'll be called out as a rookie patch order.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so generally in the checklist they'll be called out as a rookie patch auto. Yeah, and to National Treasures they've got the RPA base. Rpa to 99 is the true RPA. When you get down into your 49s, your 25s, your 10s, your 101s, they're effectively parallels of that. So a true is kind of it's called out on the checklist as a rookie patch auto and it'll have a base number which is normally to 99. Okay, and I can, and I guess in older products a lot more on-card was the expectation of an on-card auto. But then you've kind of I guess the proliferation of stickers lately in the last couple of years you do get stickers in there. So I guess I'm kind of. Yeah, I was trying to find an example when I was looking through my collection I was trying to find the same player.
Speaker 2:So if I got something of the same player and I kind of didn't get a chance to go into the boxes the stuff that's not on display so it actually worked out with buying that Stetson Bennett. I still don't really know why I brought it, but that's his true RPA from Spectra Right, okay, so numbered to 99, got the rookie logo on it has a bit of a patch. The only thing, yeah, slightly different, is this sticker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um as opposed to on card.
Speaker 2:Um, and in the same spectra set you've got the likes of that. Um, it's not the best, but it is a patch sort of yeah, um, which is the radiant rookie. Um, yeah, could be sold as an rpa, but it's not the true RPA.
Speaker 3:Ah, okay, I see. So each set will have a true RPA. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So the freshman fabrics would be the true RPA of certified yeah okay, that's kind of the flagship, I guess, for that product. Yep, and yeah so Spectra is kind of one that's got lots of variation. Yeah, so that radiant rocky is one variation, there's quite a few others. Uh, national treasures you start getting into like um gloves and hats, helmets and yeah, it all kind of goes away from that actual patch um and a lot of the times they will be vertical cards as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um so yeah, yeah, yeah, vertical cards um, the only kind of one. I've seen, ones I've seen a different. There are origins um and and certified, as I mentioned.
Speaker 3:Yeah do you sort of through through through, uh, the cards and stuff like that? Would you say that the because I've noticed about kabo cards and stuff like that? Would you say that the because I've noticed with Kabooms and stuff like that, that?
Speaker 2:the ones that are vertical are worth more generally. Yeah, so the vertical Kaboom is from a hobby product, so it's got that rarity or scarcity, whereas the horizontal is from a retail product. And it seems to be a lot more of those that are out in the general pop, you know, yeah so would you say?
Speaker 3:generally in the, the hobby that the, the vertical cards and more will be generally the more rare or more expect or more sought after I think that, yeah, that feels like they are more sought after.
Speaker 2:Um, I mean, people have their preferences. I quite like, you know, the the horizontals. Um, I get the ocd when they're on the shelf and they're mixed in with verticals. It's pretty good to just have a whole shelf. It is just horizontals and a whole shelf that's verticals, um, but yeah, okay, it really depends on the product. Yeah, just see the card. Like the card, buy the card yeah, I think.
Speaker 3:I guess time, will you know, in our case will dictate what you like, because right now it's all new, isn't it?
Speaker 3:you know you're building collections and stuff like that. I haven't really got to the stage where that ain't all about how things look. You know you're building collections, stuff. I haven't really got to the stage where I'm that ain't all about how it, how things look. You know when you display them and stuff like that. I feel like that's part of the process as well. You get to a certain point and you know where your collection is, where it is. You can start then looking at whether you want it vertical or horizontal, or you start, you know, as your collection increases, you start filtering stuff out and think, well, I'm only going to go for this particular type of card or the way it looks I think that's the road for us.
Speaker 2:You know there's a, you know a few collectors that are out there like that. The worst one for me is seeing a, an empty space in a binder or in a, in a rainbow, where you've just got that one card, a rainbow, but you've just got that one car, yeah, that one car that's missing.
Speaker 3:Uh, yeah, there's a bit of a trigger, um, but yeah, I mean, yeah, I generally pretty chilled about it yeah, but but you know, when you mentioned before, you know, when I was talking about my um aj barner collection, like I'm still, you know, I'm still kind of I feel like that's going to be a slow burner for me because I'm still I see them come up and I've got one, hopefully coming tomorrow, which is actually the Barna version of that. So it's numbered to eight, but there's so many bloody versions of it and obviously, with us being over here, like if you're in America, it'd be a doddle, wouldn't it, to pick them all off. But every time I go on there there's a different bloody version of it.
Speaker 2:Like to pick them all off, but every time I go on there there's a different bloody version of it. Um, so you need to yeah, I think you need to start using one of the shipping consolidators yeah, I think, instead of, instead of coming direct. Um like, I guess the downside of that is you just don't have that constant flow of mail coming in yeah yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:But. But I'm getting tell you, like that, free shipping, yeah, or cheap or cheap shipping into a shipping centre in the US, just store it and then stored and combined and brought over. You've just got to be careful with values, that sort of thing, you know, declaring your values right and getting through customs, keeping your receipts in case you know you are asked for anything um, and then yeah, just yeah, I'll sell the business holiday once a year.
Speaker 3:Pop in and see brian and ship my cards or I'll find one in seattle and just say, oh, I've got seattle again. That's probably not a bad idea.
Speaker 2:I could do that yeah, that's not a bad idea, but yeah.
Speaker 3:I think maybe that's what I'll have to do, but, yeah, there's so many of them, but I think I've got quite a few now, so that should be. That'll be one that I'll I'll keep an eye on, but that could be my first one, so that phoenix set's probably got about about 40 or 50, yeah, of the colour variations or the parallels. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Impressive when it's done, though when it's completed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so we spoke about earlier next week, week one, and I put down. I was looking at the schedule and obviously Seahawks fan we've got 49ers Going to be an interesting game, definitely looking forward to that. I was just trying to pick out a couple of ties that I thought were interesting. The one I briefly spoke about was Vikings-Bears, which we touched upon, but another one that I put down was Bills-Ravens, and I was listening to a conversation on another podcast and they were talking about Josh Allen and Jackson, potential MVPs next year. But I wonder, even as early as week one, whether that will have an effect on their, on their cards and stuff like that, because that's definitely going to be interesting, isn't it like who sort of kind of gets the better of that type yeah.
Speaker 2:I think with those two they're pretty well seasoned players so I wouldn't expect to see much movement in their card values other than the normal seasons built into the season we will start seeing a jump as when one of them actually gets the MVP at the other end, I would have liked to have seen this game a few games in rather than first up. So once the teams have had a chance to get out and get a few games off the belt, get their systems and everything going. But yeah, still a bit of a cracker for the first round.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely it could sort of I don't know early contenders. The guys I was listening to were saying whoever gets the better of this could be early contender for MVP. It could be interesting.
Speaker 2:I think it just sets up the other end of the season. Yeah, where they come back and they end up playing each other in the AFC games at the end. So you know whoever wins there, kind of they have two games against each other during the regular season, don't they? Yeah, so whoever gets that kind of head it, you know, one up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I saw. I didn't put this on the list, but I saw.
Speaker 2:Green.
Speaker 3:Bay got Mika Parsons, haven't they highest paid?
Speaker 2:paid non-quarterback.
Speaker 3:The news of the week, yeah yeah, how have you been about that?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean obviously what? What do we say? I messaged you, didn't I, about the transfer and um, was it the most highest paid non-quarterback? Yeah, be interesting to see how it gets on. But yeah, I'm looking forward to, I'm gonna. I've already said to the wife that I'm gonna be watching. There's like an NFL highlight show on BBC over here in the UK. I want to start watching that more and that's probably going to open up. Open up a world of green bay card collecting. I reckon I was really into NFL years ago and then I sort of just stopped watching it. So my knowledge is not there with NFL teams or players or anything. So jumping back on the horse.
Speaker 3:Mark, you might need to leave and come back in because we've got a bit of a delay on your You're getting that delay as well, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just go out and come back in, because we've got a bit of a delay on your.
Speaker 2:You're getting that delay as well, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Just go out and come back in again.
Speaker 2:Just before you tell us about the.
Speaker 3:I don't want him to waffle on and not get anything on the. What's your Out of the rookie class of 24, who's going to go the furthest?
Speaker 2:It's a tough one eh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's definitely mixed opinions, isn't it Definitely mixed opinions?
Speaker 2:I'd like to see Jonty have a good go, but he's a raider, so kind of the other hard part of me is saying no, don't. But yeah, I think him and RJ Harvey. I'd like to see them have good seasons. Yeah, the quarterback's quite interesting. It's interesting to see how it plays out over the years. So who actually gets the start? Who gets on the field?
Speaker 3:who doesn't?
Speaker 2:There's not as many that you'd have that kind of. You know, the same year as Burrow and Herbert, where you kind of, and even last year where they just straight into the starting positions. You don't have that kind of quality or, at the moment, the perceived quality. So yeah, just see how the season progresses.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Broncos have got a nice start though, haven't they? Titans?
Speaker 2:Yeah, titans on Monday morning, yeah, 805. Yeah, do you?
Speaker 3:watch the games over here or live.
Speaker 2:Do you have to watch it after? I'll try and have it going in my ears if I can. But yeah, generally watch it later on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Ideal times if you're not at work, like me on Monday morning. Yeah, it's the dream mate Chop the kids off and watch the football.
Speaker 2:The Monday morning games. Yeah, you get like a five o'clock start so you can get one game in before work starts. Yeah, that's it. But yeah, otherwise it's just try to either listen to a bit of it or catch the replay or the highlights later on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but then with the Premier League it's Liverpool-Arsenal today, so I'll be up at, I think, three in the morning to watch that. But again, no work for me tomorrow, so drop the kids off, I'll catch up on my sleep. Nice, what a life. Yeah, mark, just to finish what you were saying about Green Bay, you'd obviously gone off. You stopped watching it for a while because of circumstances and that, and this year, looking forward to getting stuck back in yeah, yeah, there's a I can't remember the name of the show exactly.
Speaker 1:It's called like Red Zone or something. Yeah, it's just a highlight show and I'm just going to commit to watching that once a week, catching up on all games and get my knowledge back up and, um, yeah, I can just sort of have more conversations regarding nfl because, yeah, my knowledge is just out out whack at the moment. Um, but, yeah, looking forward to getting back into nfl because I used to love it, used to, yeah, be almost as religious as football or soccer it was your conversations with lemmy that got me, uh, interested in it.
Speaker 3:That's the irony. Um, exactly that that's probably interested in it.
Speaker 1:That's the irony. Exactly, that's probably that was when, I was at the peak of my interest in NFL, I think. And look what, look what that's spawned. Yeah, so yeah, looking forward to getting my teeth back into NFL. And then, yeah, it's definitely going to open up, open up a few doors, I think.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, going to open up a few doors, I think, yeah, well, I want to get you into actually collecting NFL. I know you've got your, you started with Aaron Rodgers and that, but like, yeah, I'm hoping that you fully get into it. We'll move you away from the EPL stuff, yeah.
Speaker 1:Or maybe I won't and I'll just dive You'll get there A deep hole in both.
Speaker 2:of them it's just reminded me that I've got to send you those photos. I did pull the cards out. I managed to find one of them. So yeah, a couple of Aaron Rodgers that are hanging around my, hanging around my house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, do so.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that'd be great we've actually got next week. It's next week we've got a breaker from the UK coming up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, super exciting.
Speaker 3:Is that the Lee Carsley breaks?
Speaker 1:So the name of the page is Carsley breaks, it's a, it's a name on a on a on an old football, an old football player, yeah. But he, yeah, he's got some great content. He does really good. I was watching some of his videos yesterday. He does the 10 most expensive cards of the week that have been sold on eBay. Oh nice, it shows you the cards and how much they're sold for. It's really interesting and a good insight. But he does breaks quite often. He's doing one on Tuesday night and I said to him I'll jump on, I'll jump on on Tuesday night and he just, yeah, does breaks and then just has chats to his community?
Speaker 3:does he miss the teams like from 1 to? 20 like the same as the NFL ones, or does he split them up into like players?
Speaker 1:not sure, not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm sure. Obviously I'm going to jump on it on Tuesday, but he'll be able to tell us all next week and break it down and that will give you more of an insight into what he does and how he does it. Because, yeah, obviously some breaks are not all straightforward or how you'd think it would be right.
Speaker 3:Do you think, nick, that there would be any appetite within the KCC community, or is it more For EPL?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we did some product during sort of COVID Joe did a few football breaks. They went all right. But yeah, it's kind of not, I guess not a sort of market that we've targeted as we've grown the community, yeah. So even trying to get you know when we do these old NASCAR breaks, trying to get enough to fill a break, is quite hard, yeah, but there's a handful of people that are interested and I get the product every now and then. So it's something different, which was good this week, instead of just seeing football players, seeing the cars. And the relevance with NASCAR is just with Van Gersbergen mostly, but then there's a few that are kind of broader collectors as well. So Nick, who's in the group he's always buying in on the US pages just spent, kind of it was, a season over there with the New England rugby team and part of their coaching staff, so he was able to access everything directly while he was in the States. So looking forward to seeing some of what he brought back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nice, everything directly while he was in the states, so looking forward to seeing some of what he brought back. Yeah, oh nice. Yeah, I've watched some of the just out of curiosity, like you know, some of those your race car I don't know who the drivers are and stuff like that. Some of the cars are quite cool, but like you've got to be interested in you, I think uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, it's like any sport. Yeah, if you watch it and and you watch it on the daily you know the drivers and, okay, it's something I hadn't watched for quite a while. It wasn't until SVG got over there and started racing. That, yeah, it kind of piqued the interest again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, definitely. Yeah, right, we've hit that. We've gone a bit over the hour mark, but we I reckon, mark, we jumped to yeah one thing I put on the list which I found fascinating. Again while you're on it, just to to get your views on it the the Jordan Brian dual logoman that was sold 12.9 million crazy money, eh, yeah dual Logoman that was sold 12.9 million Crazy money, eh yeah.
Speaker 3:But when I sent the notes through again, obviously we're at the other end of the scale. But it's interesting because I think on the first podcast I talked about my dad, for example. I get the eye roll when I talk about cards, as if maybe it's a bit childish or whatever his views are, but when I saw this story I was like I know, this is the opposite end, but to me when someone like Kevin O'Leary's spending because I think it's two or three of them, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a bit of a syndicate, I think. Yeah, two, three, four people involved.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but when people are that wealthy, they don't do things on a whim, do they? So you've got to think that maybe they see value in the hobby, they see it as a genuine investment. And then when you go on to the flip side of it and you look at, you know we spoke, mark, about all the different reasons why people might collect and one of my frustrations was people especially. I say people, I'm referring to people I've listened to, in America mainly, but they're very judgmental of certain people. You know people are in it just to make money and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:You know you get the old collectors and then critical of new collectors, but at every level, be it the 12.9 million or our level, to some degree you are, it is an investment, isn't it? Because, again, to some degree it's an asset that you're buying because there is value. So the first thing I thought when I saw that was you know what's, what's? What do people think? Because that for someone like that to come in and spend that sort of money on a car there's, you know, they obviously see the hobby as a investment opportunity.
Speaker 2:Um, and that would work at both ends yeah, I kind of I mean at 12.9 million, I don't know. I kind of see it as you've got cash to spend so you spend it and it is somewhat ego driven and you know more to the status flex. I own the most valuable card in the world. Is that card going to sell for that value ever again? Who knows? For that particular card I don't really see it as an investment, I see it as more of a flex. But you kind of look at the other vintage stuff that's around the Wagners, that sort of thing. Then they do continue to sell and continue to climb. So I guess in five years' time, if it sells again for $13.9, I'd probably deserve a slap in the face for what I just said. Um, but yeah, it's kind of timid. When does that become?
Speaker 2:vintage though when does that become?
Speaker 3:because he, he made a strange comment, didn't he, saying something like uh well, not strange, it's not strange at all. He said it again in his lifetime, but at some stage that's going to become. What I don't fully understand is he doesn't? He could have bought the card on his own. It's weird, you know, like I think weird things like where's the card going to go? How often are they going to look at it. It's a weird one. But, like you, when that becomes vintage um, like proper vintage you'd imagine at some stage that that would become so long as, uh, michael jordan behaves himself, I guess yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, kobe's not going to cause any trouble, but um, but michael's still got potential to um and I I think the, yeah, the, the.
Speaker 2:The interesting part like reading about it was you was that group of people got together because they didn't want to bid against each other.
Speaker 2:They didn't want to inflate the price and be fighting against each other for the card. So, yes, kevin, there's another guy, shine150. If you've seen him on his Instagram page and his cards, he's all very top end, top, top end. So, yeah, will it go on the market again, don't know. Will it go past, I guess, when a one of one like that, will it break a record again, don't know, whereas the other, when you look at the other ones that are kind of reaching towards those values, they've done that over time. Yeah, there's been multiple sales and over what I think, 50, 60 years to get to that value, versus a card that's, you know, 20, 20 years old.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, it'd be interesting to see what happens if it sells again in our lifetime yeah, it'd be interesting, it'll be an interesting one to watch, but there's I've read a few other stories as well where, like people would have cards but you know, like touching upon the list and stuff like that, where people looking at specific cards. But what I quite like about the hobby is that there's some real high-end stuff that people know about. They know about the card, they know about who's owned it and stuff like that and I quite like that stuff.
Speaker 3:You know, like we spoke about it before, there's a lot of stories and stuff like that. There's a lot of things like that I find quite interesting about the hobby, which is part of the reason I'm really enjoying it. I quite like that. You know, there's big cards or real popular cards where people can trace who's owned it and that kind of becomes like history of the card as well. And you know, even if that card goes back on the market, you've still got that story that's always attached to the card.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the record setter and the people that set the record, yeah, yeah, and the people before them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm hoping that that card was pulled by someone out of a $50 pack a $500 pack when they were cheap and they've held it for a long time and then you know it's gone on to get their value. I mean that's the cool part of any story of a card that sells for big money. Then you know it's gone on to to get hit that value. Um, I mean, that's, that's the cool part of any story, um, of a card that sells for big money. You know, yeah, definitely there's a guy, guy that hit the 101 um downtown, uh, gold vinyl bonex. I mean, yeah, either downtown or uptown. Um, him and his wife had been trying to have have baby unsuccessfully and they graded a 10 and selling and they ended up being able to pay for their treatment.
Speaker 3:So those are the awesome stories from the home that was through Golden, wasn't it? They put it up with. Golden, yeah, I saw that on their social media. But it's a cool. Yeah, stuff like that is cool, isn't it?
Speaker 3:But that story is then attached to that card and you you know, obviously, with it being graded as well, there's not going to be no confusion over what card it was. But yeah, like that's, that's. What's really cool is that that's always. Whoever owns it knows that that's, that's the story. That's that's with that card, which is yeah, I love stuff like that. Um, obviously I'm nowhere near the realms of someone retelling my story on one of my cards, but you never know anything's possible eh that's it, mate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people will tell the story of my Tyler Lockett card one day, you know the old, the gold downtown that's going to pop out of Donruss in a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's, that's the one that's it, although, yeah, my, when I think of these, I know not gold downtown it was a kaboom. Yeah, that was. That was strange. I was nearly going to Gold Kaboom off someone and I saw the same card, just by complete chance, on someone else's Instagram in America Exactly the same serial number. Yeah, that was a weird one, but yeah, I do like the Gold Kabooms. I've got to get a standard one first, though.
Speaker 3:Absolute is October, so not far away from the chase the problem is though well, the issue is, it's Kaboom or Bust, isn't it with that product? Well, for me anyway, I don't like the cards at all and they've still got them in EB, haven't they? So there's always temptation to grab one of those for the kaboom, but yeah the hobby product's got a little bit more yeah um, so, yeah, yeah, uh, absolute retail.
Speaker 2:It is boom or bust. Yeah, um, I've been. I rolled through a case of blasters one year, um, and then that was one numbered card out of the case, which is pretty disappointing. But yeah, you kind of, that's, that's the, that's the chase, you know, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it'll be interesting to when the hobby stuff comes out, especially if there's some good seahawk stuff this year. I'm looking forward to that with Downtown and Kabooms and that I feel it's going to be an expensive year for me, you got off on the right foot with Origins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, definitely, mate. Yeah, hope it continues.
Speaker 3:I know, yeah, I just need the Milro now, so hopefully I'm going to look at one on eBay in a minute. But yeah, the other thing I was gonna say on the origin someone was telling me the other day one of the the german guys that we talked to quite a lot on instagram was saying that uh is um seahawks 50th year, so they got that 50th badge on the uniform and uh, I believe in origins, uh, some of those in the patches this year, so that, yeah, I've got to get into some more origins for that, but so far so good yeah, only one more box for us and then that's it.
Speaker 2:We're done, we're on to the next product, so yeah, nice, cool, alright.
Speaker 3:Well, I think it's been good to to have you on it because, yeah, like we me and mark talk about um, I don't know stuff sort of at our level and stuff like that which is new, but it's nice. What we want to do with the podcast is have more um, more like kind of sort of I don't want to try to say like good, you know, good information, stuff that's going on in the hobby and stuff like that that's a little bit different to to us just talking about, uh, our mail days every week, um, and stuff like that. But I say every week, the feedback we've had in the interest that's been good. It's just trying to get um times. You know, with us being other ends of the world, it's sometimes quite challenging. But we've got a nice run of guests now, obviously yourself, tonight, lee Carsley, not the, not the Lee Carsley, but Carsley and then we've got a KCC member, nick Blinko, lined up for the week after nice yeah, and there's a few others.
Speaker 3:Brock Nash member Nick.
Speaker 2:Blinko lined up for the week after nice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and there's a few others Brock Nash, matthew Bricks who are going to be at some stage as well, so there's there's a few people, which is is really cool because it's it'll just be nice because everyone who either people just mentioned that like different levels of collecting, you know different times in it, so I'm quite looking forward to like getting into that as well yeah, good, good, good to mix it up a bit and hear other stories and um, you know kind of yeah, I know brock quite well, um, yeah, and sort of met him in person.
Speaker 2:But, um, and and nick have met once, once or twice, um, but, yeah, yeah, both him, matthew, um, you know there's lots, lots of guys on the page that they're apart from what I see, the boxes that I pull for them I don't really know too much about. So, yeah, looking forward to seeing them on, you know, and hearing them on here and hearing about their journeys.
Speaker 3:That'll be good, definitely. I'm looking forward to it, yeah, so watch this space Awesome.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me back on. Like I said you always get a bit worried until you get the second invite. So yeah, look forward to coming back again and talking some more.
Speaker 3:You're always welcome, nick. I think we'd have you as often as you want to come on. It's just I think sometimes I get a bit worried that you know I don't want to. I want people to, I guess, to like want to be on, so I don't want to take too much of your time and stuff like that. But we, I absolutely love it. Yeah, I absolutely love it. Yeah, yeah, just let me know.
Speaker 2:And yeah, we'll get into what's coming up in October on the next one. Hopefully the list is just as long.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll refer to you as a friend of the show, now a friend of the pod, yeah.
Speaker 1:Nice, yeah, thanks Colin.
Speaker 2:I have to keep an eye out for those.
Speaker 3:Kombe Carey stickers in the mail. Oh yeah, we need to get some merch now. I don't know if anyone's noticed. I've changed it just before the pod, but I've put the Coombe Carey logo up in the corner, I thought it was.
Speaker 2:It's on the small screen.
Speaker 3:It's there, dan it's a slight switch and then, when we finish. I put the other picture back. Nice touch there. Yeah, hybrid of the the Coombe Curry studio slash office office by day, studio by night. Awesome, but nice one on that note cheers team regards to your families.
Speaker 1:Oh, team, regards to your families oh yeah, regards to your family take it easy, see ya.
