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Eight Pints, No Goals, But Plenty Of Shiny Cardboard
A dull ninety minutes at Brighton, eight pints deep, and still the best part was being with the boys. Then Thursday flipped the script: Seattle’s wild swing from early promise to overtime guts, a live two‑point decision, and that jittery 5:30 a.m. buzz when sleep doesn’t stand a chance. That’s the heart of this one—why we keep showing up, even when the match is forgettable, because every now and then sport knocks the breath out of you.
From there we pick apart Liverpool’s win at Spurs and the thin line between a high yellow and a red, talk discipline and temperament, and wander into boxing’s strange new economy. Joshua’s finish was emphatic, the build‑up pure theatre, and the money a reminder that curiosity drives modern sport as much as belts do. It all points to the same question we ask in the hobby: what’s real, what’s hype, and what still makes you feel something?
Cards bring the clarity. A Jordan Love eBay detour yields Select rookies and an Optic Hollow that just looks right in hand. We crack a sealed 1999 Futera Liverpool pack and feel the era in the raised foils. Then the provenance knot: player‑worn patches witnessed by a brand rep, match‑worn shorts from pre‑season friendlies, the odd weight of owning a piece tied to a player’s story. Finally, the slab debate gets honest. PSA carries the premium and the look; local graders add speed, subgrades, and transparency; AI grading teases consistency and detailed reports. If you’re building a personal collection, maybe the best rule is simple—slab what you love, protect what matters, and let the market chatter be background noise.
Join us for terrace tales, overtime chaos, and a grounded guide to collecting with intent. If this episode made you nod, laugh, or reconsider your grading plan, follow the show, share it with a mate, and leave a review—what’s your card goal for 2025?
Welcome to Coombe and Curry Sports Cards podcast. We're collecting games. Back to episode 25. That's huge, isn't it? 25. Quarter of a century. Let that think in. 25th episode and your boys are back. It's been a tumultuous Christmas period for us. Tumultuous. Great word. In terms of technical hoo-has. But um yeah, now we're back in well, I'm back in the shed. Shed session. And you're uh you're back in Lansing. So uh I look I look very pale today looking at the camera.
SPEAKER_02:I look like I've uh I did go out with um friend of the pod Ben Huggins yesterday to the Brighton game, which was just an hour and a half of my life, I'll never get back. Terrible game, but you know, going out for a few beers, absolute animals, Emlot. I had uh I had about eight points.
SPEAKER_01:Um probably why I've lost my colour. What um what sort of what sort of time did you uh did you go to the terrace at the annex? Yes, we did. We did go to the terrace, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:What what a good experience that was. Um yeah, lots changed down there. Oh, big time. So uh yeah, that was that was nice. Nice to be with the boys, but yeah, looking very pasty. That camera's following you around again. I know, yeah. Um talking of I I guess us being back to the bread and butter of the the set the better a better setup, yeah. I'll I'm gonna I've got a little call out. Oh yeah, come on. Yeah, Dom Lott, how's your luck? Oh short moral, surprise, surprise.
SPEAKER_01:The beef has ignited.
SPEAKER_02:Nah nah, it's no beef this time. I've got a lot of time for it. He sent me a message, told me to fuck off back to New Zealand. Um, because he wants some more pods. So fair play. Yeah, it's not a call out, it's just uh I like that. It's nice to see um the fans wanting the pods. So here we are, episode 25, podcast vendors. Uh we are back, we're ready to go. Martin loved that jumper. Talk us through it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh, fans are in demand, of course. Um, so it's great to hear. Uh the jumper I'm wearing today is um yeah, festive themed, if you're listening. Um now I won a competition, I think it was last year. I think it was the year before. No, it was last year. It was last year. So I won this Carlsburg competition on uh Instagram, and it was um you basically won two two of these Christmas jumpers, um, one in green, as you can see, and one in blue. Uh the green one's meant to um is meant to be like the the alcoholic version by the Carlsberg can.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And they've they've released a um the old 0%. 0%, and it's got 0-0 on the back of the blue one. Um, so yeah, really good. Cheeky little number, not bad at all. Um and funnily enough, I actually won quite a few years back now, and I've not they're in the garage. Um I won this competition on Twitter, so this is pre-X days uh on Twitter uh from a Liverpool account of these limited edition Carlsberg cans. Don't know if you've ever seen these. No, I don't think so. Specifically designed um uh to replicate like the Liverpool kits over the years. Oh yeah. So but instead of having Carlsberg across the can, it had you know Hippier with a Champions League kit. Oh Garcia with the away yellow shirt and stuff like that. Um so I've got like yeah, like eight of them cans, all like really well packaged in the in the garage. And I'm never gonna open them because I've one, I'm not really a huge fan of Carlsberg. No, no offense to Carlsberg itself, but that's never gone as a sponsor, innit? Yeah, sponsor's gone. Um but they're quite nice, like uh nice touch, bit of memorabilia, a bit souvenir. Um when this shed gets decked out, uh I can uh have them on display. But um, yeah, shout out Carlsberg. No disrespect. No disrespect, love, lovely drop. Probably the best in the world. Yeah. There you go. There's your uh there's your plug. Well nice, I like it. Thank you, sir, thank you, sir. So uh all right, let's jump into some um let's recap, shall we? Um talking well, let's go from Brighton Sunderland. So you uh you obviously went to the annex. You did have an opportunity, Coon, correct me if I'm wrong, to go to Yanex a couple weeks ago in the in the week coming up to the day we went to London. Uh that game was Brighton versus Aston Villa. Remind me of the score.
SPEAKER_02:Remind me of the score of that game, Coo? Is it four four two or something?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, four three or something, absolute thriller. Yeah. Didn't go on the basis of yet he wanted to save himself for the uh big day uh out in London.
SPEAKER_02:Save myself for Sunderland.
SPEAKER_01:Out in London, yeah. So back in for the Sunderland game and uh talk us through it. It's not a lot to talk to you about, to be honest.
SPEAKER_02:Um minimal minimal analysis. Yeah, it was nice to be back with the boys though, like I said at the start of the pod, but um yeah, I mean the game was terrible. Um and it's funny actually, because this makes me sad, but I've got a we'd been away for a week up last week up uh up to the north of England, and uh while while we've been away, my mum and dad's letterbox has been peppered with delivery on eBay. Uh been messaging them every night saying make sure you because it's cold here for the New Zealand listeners, it's peak winter. Um so I've been saying just make sure you get them in because I don't want them you know going damp. And uh so they've been getting them in. But all I could think about yesterday, I you know, while while the game was going on, not when I was with the boys before drinking, but I want to get home and open them packages. So I haven't I still haven't opened them. I've I think I've opened one of them. Um so yeah, it was the game was that boring that I decided to start thinking about what what cards I had and uh and getting back to those. But uh I've had a busy few days so I've not opened them. But yeah, in terms of the game, it was yeah, dreadful, very, very boring. Um but luckily for me, it's uh can I segue into the Seahawks?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, actually, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Feel like it's fitting, yeah. Like, because I stayed up again uh NFL in New Zealand is good because it's like Monday morning into the afternoon, beautiful. Um over here, 6 pm games are good. Uh but then after that, you know, start heading into the uh into the night. But the I what I stayed up for Thursday night football, obviously, Seahawks Rams, biggest game of the season. Um winner takes that or holds that number one seed, and uh again the emotions the game had everything. Um but it wasn't enjoyable to watch. Well, first I think first five, ten minutes, um Rams received, got nothing from the first drive, and then Seahawks got a touchdown. Um Walker doing all the work and then Charbonnet taking it over the line. And I'm thinking, here we go, here we go. Uh but from then it was downhill. Uh I skipped the first half, losing at half time. Uh and I think it was the it's eight and a half minutes to go, nine minutes. We are down by 16 points. Um in my head I've written the game off, it's gone. Um Darnold, we're uh get in the red zone, and then he's intercepted for the first time, I think, at the one-yard line. Game's gone.
unknown:Done.
SPEAKER_02:It's done and dusted, they've got the ball. Right. Um but then we stop the Rams, they punt, and uh Raheed Shahid returns uh a punt return touchdown, game on. They go for the two-point conversion, get the two-point conversion, they stop Rams again, they get another touchdown. Um I think it was AJ Barner. Uh nice dart from uh Darnold, who's what I'm gonna I'm gonna stop a little bit here, right? Darnold, when I'm watching him, he's very frustrating sometimes. A lot of interceptions this year. But what I will say about that guy, his mentality is elite. He's you're watching him on the bench and you can see the frustration, but his ability to pop that what's just happened every time out of his mind and just crack on is is unbelievable. And a lot of people have been saying that he can't do it in the big games, but Thursday showed that he's got he's got the lot. I think he's the the first uh quarterback since Brady, I think, to I think it's 12 wins two consecutive seasons of two different teams. Um so his mentality is elite. Um but yeah, he get he gets he gets the touchdown. Then there's a bit of controversy, right? So they go for the two-point conversion again and seemingly cock it up. It hits the uh I think it is his the Rams defender's arm then onto his helmet, and then it and then it goes backwards into the end zone, and I think the gate it looks dead, and Charbonnet picks it up in the end zone, and they all start to bugger off, you know, they've cocked it up, and then they look at it, and what's happened is Darnold's actually thrown the ball backwards to Charbonnet, so it's not gone forward. So when it's hit the Rams player and gone onto the floor effectively, it's still a live ball. So the fact that Charbonnet picks it up actually converts the two-point tries that levels them up at 30 apiece, um, and it ends up going to overtime. Rams score, they get a touchdown, the coup he got, I think he got about 200 yards, 200 receiving yards in the game. He's phenomenal. Um, and I'm thinking then, I'm thinking, uh no, we've uh game's got we're not I can't see us getting uh a touchdown, but they do, they go for the touchdown, and then they they're thinking draw's not good enough for us, they go for a two-point conversion in overtime. Uh you if you if you if you don't get it, you lose the game effectively. You get it, you win the game. And they've only gone and bloody done it, haven't they? And uh I'm now at half five in the morning, I'm I'm at the in-laws, and I'm wanting to just I'm buzzing, I want to run around and smash the place up, but uh everyone's sleeping, so I was uh I struggled to get to sleep because the I was absolutely buzzing. Um so yeah, like I can't complain, you know. Brighton game, terrible. Uh, but I'm still off, I'm still on that high of uh Seahawks, absolutely smashing it. Uh controlling that number one seed now, two games to go, Panthers and 49ers. Um and and then the icing on the cake yesterday, Liverpool would have win as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean I'll briefly touch on Green Bay, shall I? Um not been a great couple of weeks actually. Um was good, beat the Bears like a couple weeks ago, then lost to them last night. And then in between the time, wasn't it? Yeah, and then in between that, I can't remember who who played in between the Bears. Anyway, Mika Parsons done his ACL. Yeah. Um not good, not good. So yeah, not not not great, but um still, you know, still up amongst it, so we'll see what happens. Um but yeah, not not ideal. Bit of a dip in form. Uh injury doesn't help, and um yeah, we'll get on to some of uh rabbit hole later on in the world.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, definitely. What what um what could be interesting if you do make playoffs is that some stage there's a chance you'll meet Seahawks, so that'll be an interesting pod, won't it, when we absolutely take you apart. Um looking forward to that episode.
SPEAKER_01:Can you imagine? Yeah, but it's good. I would say we could do like a watching on pod, but American football games are so long, no one would want to watch it, would they? I mean four hours away from it.
SPEAKER_02:We get the foot we'll we'll we'll we'll uh we'll get the 40-minute highlights on while we do the pod.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Not a bad idea, not a bad idea. Um but yeah, Liverpool's good win, wasn't it? Um watched a bit of that in the pub uh or in the terrace, as you mentioned earlier at um at Brighton. That that that was uh it's we it's funny actually because um Huggins said that they sometimes have people come in, you know, like speakers or something like that, because it's the top bit of the terrace is like if you've got an American Express card, yeah, yeah, get up there. Um and last night, I don't know if this was through the club, but do you remember Anthony Knockhart? Yeah, yeah. He he came in, he was in the bar, and uh, everyone was singing the knock-kart. Um we've got knockout, Anthony Knockart. And uh he was down on the bottom bit first and eventually came up and he's on a chair or a table or something, and he's like leaning over to like one side, go giving it all this, and they're all singing at him, and uh so it's fairly entertaining. But yeah, we watched uh well, I was having none of it. I was watching the Liverpool Spurs game, saw the uh the challenge on Van Dyke. Tough one that I think um yeah, high yellow it's not such a thing, is it high yellow, red? Don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I think first and foremost, there was I mean from from a I know you you probably see it quite a lot from like a refing point of view, right? Um and I I sort of I guess I saw it from a bit more of like a playing point of view where he goes, he doesn't need to be like rushing him that much, soon doesn't need to be there because he's the ball's gone as well, isn't it? He's not going anywhere, he's not gonna win the ball, so just control your your position, I guess. Yeah, um, and yeah, it's super unfortunate that you that he sort of stood on the back of his heel, but I don't know. I I just think both set of fans, if it happened either way, would both be asking for a red, wouldn't they?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. Oh, 100%, yeah. I think I think from a refereeing point of view, it's difficult to make uh to to yeah, I get I guess to make a decision when you've had eight points. Um I haven't seen it with since I've been sober, uh, so that might change it. But I remember being in the pub last night, and I think you obviously there's a lot of factors when you're looking at that red, and I think the ball position is one of them. He's by the time he makes contact, the ball's gone. He's not and he's and he's kind of to me again could be the beer talking, but it looks like he's looking at the back of his legs rather than the ball. And I think that that's probably the factor. I think when you look at it, you no, I couldn't decide. And funny enough, I was with two referees yesterday by complete coincidence, and um I think we were all like, Oh yeah, it's uh it's a tough one, but I think when you look at the factors, it's probably is the right decision. But I think it's it's one of those that's just crossed the threshold, only just I would say so. I don't think anyone can really moan. Um but yeah, like big win. Shame about Isak though, quality goal. Uh I've read that it hopefully it's they don't think it's his ACL. So that's that's positive. But um he could be out for a while. But yeah, great. I think Spurs away used to be one of those games that I didn't like. I was always a bit edgy about it, but now it's three point lane, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Well three point lane. Do you know what? I I I I also uh rolled myself back to last year when Curtis Jones got sent off at Spurs, and that was a very contentious decision. Was it Robertson as well? We got two reds to it. He went later on in the game, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, that's it. I think he probably deserved it. But the the Jones one was a straight red, wasn't it? And it was it where he put the foot on the on the top of the ball and his foot like rolled over the ball into the player. Now I'd I've I've maybe a bit biased, but I thought that was a bit harsh because it didn't really make that much, like it wasn't forceful contact, I don't feel. But then again, if that again, if it was on the the other, if it was the other way around, maybe I would be awesome for it. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:So wasn't that the same game with the the controversial offside as well, where the AR the yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah very controversial. Um, but yeah, big win overall. Really glad that Ekatique scored as a great goal. Um and um Christian Romero is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it? I remember speaking, I remember speaking to uh a Spurs fan when he signed. Um, you do know the Spurs fan as well, WV from the predictions. He said to me that when Romero signed about half a season in, you went, he will be as good as Van Dyke. He will be as good as Van Dyke. Um absolutely not. Hasn't got the temperament, but loses his head so many times, doesn't he? Um I mean, what is he doing? Kicking out a canate on the floor. Like you won the free kick. He's won the free kick.
SPEAKER_02:What I don't get about that is that he's he's not even like I mean, if you're gonna do it, do it in style. Like it's not even you've you it doesn't even make sense. You basically like use your foot to tickle his arm, get sent off. I mean, if you're gonna do it, I'm not condoning it, but you know proper, yeah. Yeah, pointless he fo Spurs fans should be livid about that, absolutely livid. Not looking at you know, oh did did did Canate make a big deal out of it. Of course he did, because they all do. That's what happens. Yeah, uh Spurs would have done it. They should be looking at their own players, their own temperament, like you said, uh the discipline. I mean, look at Rasharlison as well when he scored his goal. He's he looked like he was trying, in fact, it looked like he was trying to um who was the who was the defender on the line? Trying to mount someone, didn't he?
SPEAKER_01:Ekatique on the line, yeah. And then he got up in the suburbslide space, didn't he? He's a weird that that guy is a weirdo, isn't he? He's always been a weirdo. Um I s I said to um I said to Hannah, she was watching the game with me, um, and I said, Is there anyone that you really dislike in football or like hate? Yeah, you know, you get the these players. Lo and behold, Richardson's coming on the sub, she's gone him, the little rat. Like, whoa, if we touch the nerve there, but you are correct, he is a rat.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he is. He's he's he's there's something not right with that boy, honestly. I he's a player I wouldn't want anywhere near my team. Yeah, he's capable, he's he's capable of the odd moment of magic, but he's also um a comedy character, isn't he? Do you remember when he scored his first goal for Spurs away to Liverpool, celebrating, and then moments later, Diego Jotta got the winner.
SPEAKER_01:Um then he gets good for the celebration as well.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and then there was the was it this season, the Manu game, wasn't it, when he scored and then they equalised. And then uh he's just it's just uh yeah, he's not a player hard one anywhere near my team. But it's just it's yeah, strange things to see in that game last night. But I think what was worrying is With nine players, Liverpool were hanging on for dear life at the end.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, do you know what? It was yeah, so strange the way almost went into a bit of a panic mode, didn't we? We sort of like proper sat, which is very unlike us, to really sit in our banks and really just sort of soak it up and give them the ball, which was a weird, weird, um, weird tactic. I don't know uh where that came from, but um but yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Talking to Liverpool yesterday, when I was at the Brighton game, I saw a uh an absolute ringer for Arnie Slot. And Huggins and um Brian are chatting to him, and all I kept thinking is I'm I'm like, the second he walks away, I was gonna go on a slot. He's an absolute ringer. Um probably the highlight of the game, that to be honest. The football was that poor. That and absolutely knock out, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Did not play for Sutherland, didn't he? Oh, I don't know. Oh no, he played for he played for Leicester, didn't he? Um the infamous goal again, or the infamous penalty missed against the game.
SPEAKER_02:When he died, he died for the pen, didn't he? Then missed it. Terrible dive, yeah. Terrible dive. Dee Dee! Absolute scenes. Yeah, I'm trying to think after he went from Briggs. I think he went out alone for a bit, didn't he? I can't remember if he was. Yeah, Fulham. He went to Fulham for a while, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was at Fulham, but he obviously loves um it's funny actually, because I said to someone else who was there last night, fully grown men in the terrace, right? There's rumors circulating that he's come down at the bottom, Antie Knockard, and they're all sort of piling forward to look over and record pictures of him and that. And I was like, it's just weird, isn't that weird? Um yeah, very strange. And then he comes up and he's like up there giving it all that. And I was like, I was I was not having a bar of it, mate. I was watching the football. Yeah, it's a big distraction to me. Good for you, because it's out of the way, yeah. Exactly, yeah. Exactly, yeah. But it's just weird, fully grown men, like you know, getting it on video like that, you know. It's just it's you know what I mean? It's not even you know, I could get it if John Barnes walks in, you know. But hold the ball and move it back. That's a slow bit, didn't it? Past the movie, it's a Liverpool groove. Oh, I mean, to be fair, it would be weird if John Barnes walked in the uh the terrace at the Amex, but Yeah, it would be strange.
SPEAKER_01:Stranger things have happened. I've got a story for you. Um I used to manage a store in East Street in Brighton. Yeah. Um quite a busy part of the lanes in Brighton. And Saturday morning, I've got into work early. There's sick in the doorway of the store before I because it's obviously uh a road that leads down to the seafront with loads of bars and clubs and whatever. So there's sick in the in the doorway. I've gone up, got a mop, gone to clean it. As I've opened the door and I'm mopping it up, I hear, I hear a voice down the road. Um, and there's there was like a homeless guy down the road that was sort of um on the corner. And and I was like, I know that voice. I know that voice. And he went, Cheers, mate, see you later. Guess who it is? None other than Chris Camara. Chris Kamara. Yep, and he said he's walked past the shop. I went, Morning, Cammy! Morning, mate, all right. Well, have a good one, and he's like later found out that he was covering the Brighton game, must have been staying, must have been staying around the hotels on the seafront. But uh, what a strange interaction that was. Me mopping up sick.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's not the time you want to bump into Cammy either, is it?
SPEAKER_01:Obviously, would have loved would have loved to have gone over and shook his hand and get a picture.
SPEAKER_02:But um I was gonna say, could you not have delegated that job? But then if he had delegated it, you wouldn't have uh met Cammy, would you?
SPEAKER_01:So no, I'd actually remember actually I got in a bit earlier than than my team just to sort of get myself set up and all that. And um well, if I wasn't there that early, then I wouldn't have seen Cammy. I like that. Lead by example. Yes, sir. Um but yeah, overall sport. I mean, flying on it this time of year, the amount of matches are on football NFL. Um I watched, did you watch any of the uh are you interested in the Jake called Anthony Joshua fight at all?
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah, a little bit. I've seen it on uh I didn't watch it um because that was earlier. That's sort of similar time to the Seahawks Rams from the night before. So we drove back down from the north, so yeah, I wasn't getting up for it, but I've seen it on loads of clips of it. Yeah, I think very quick in a nutshell, I guess. I think he toyed of him for a while, didn't he? There's lots of opportunities where he should have knocked him out, really. Um but I think they probably wanted it to go on a little bit, and obviously he picked his moment, had a little smile at his terrified face, and done everyone a favour, didn't he? By uh breaking his jaw in two places. So yeah, but but but the but the thing is it's it's turned weird boxing for me because you know, we uh Jake Paul to me just looks like he needs a bath, he just looks dirty. Um he's very annoying, but as much as you we can dislike the the the Paul brothers, like it's it's it's very hard because the money that's involved is astronomical and they've just come from two little nerdy teens, uh, when you look at their early stuff, um, and they're in a different stratosphere, so it's very hard to actually I think they're both very, very annoying. Um, and everyone says, Oh, you know, he had it, and he did. It was nice to see him get knocked out, and I think it's not I'll probably get a lot of criticism for this, but I'm pretty glad he's broke his jaw because he needs shutting up. But but all that said, I have a lot of admiration to be honest, you know. It's uh even doing people might laugh at this comparison, I'm not in any way compare comparing what we're doing to them, but when you're trying to build up a following and you're trying to produce stuff like we are and have these chats and get people on and stuff like that, it's actually hard work, isn't it? You know, it's hard work. You there's a lot of continuous posting, and um you know, we all although this is really fun, and I said to someone recently, even if no one listened to us, we probably still do it. I get to chat to you for an hour every week. Um so many positives from it, but but you know, to set it all up, edit it, put it out, put stuff out on Insta and TikTok and whatnot, it's you know, a lot of work goes into it, and to build the following, you need to continuously post. Um, so actually, in a in a weird way, you start to think, well, you know, fair play to these boys, you know, they made themselves a lot of money, they're set for life, they're doing fun things. If we were living their life, me and you, like I think as long as I've known you, we've had a joint fantasy to be in the WWE, you know. But you but you know, like they're live they're living that fantasy, so you can't I can't knock them really, to be fair. Um, but I just say to Jake Paul, just smarten yourself up. I know you look a mess. Look at your front uh Logan Paul, he's presentable, isn't he? Like Jake Paul just looks like a mess, but he's a very rich map mess, so fair play to him. So yeah, that's my opinion, my take. Is that a uh is that a call out? You're calling out Jake Paul. Would you uh I'll call Jake Paul out for 75 million, yeah. I don't think I'd get in the ring with Anthony Joshua for 75 million because I probably wouldn't live to see it, but my uh my family would be set up for life. But uh Jake Paul, yeah. I mean it'd probably knock me out, but I don't yeah. I'll be up for that if you're listening, Jake. Yeah, you give it going and you wash it off.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, first. What would be your uh left uppercut? Got a feeling you got a bit of a left uppercut on you. Yeah, I'll go jab boom. Yeah, I did I did watch it. It was a bit uh part I watched it night, I rewatched the whole fight last night. Um yeah, it was a bit embarrassing, like in terms of like the actual fight itself because you kept like falling to the floor and like hugging just in the ref.
SPEAKER_02:The ref said about the fans not paying to see this crap. I like that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's true true though, isn't it? Like the tickets of a ridiculous amount of money, so um, but it's the hype, right? That's what they that's what they've done and that's what they've created. So well done to them.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it's a curiosity as well, isn't it? Like seeing is that that's the first I know people I know Tommy Fury's allegedly a proper fighter, but he's the m one of the most boring fighters I've ever seen, Tommy Fury. Um and he beat him on points, didn't he? But like he's all the fights he's had have been the I can't say what I really think on here, because he wants to sue everyone that claims his fights are rigged, doesn't he? Um but the the Tyson one, there's something weird about that. Um and even if there's not, like he's 63, 63, 64, just an exhibition, really. Uh so this is the first proper fighter. Um but then we could do a whole show on Anthony Joshua, to be honest. The guy's I remember when he first started fighting us to love the bloke and he's done a good job, but he's an absolute clown, isn't he?
SPEAKER_01:Um I remember watching the fight that you lost to to Us. Um absolutely lost his head, didn't he? Ah, he's a map it, absolute map it. Grabbed the titles, left the ring, chaos.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, um, but look, let's not get into that. Shall we um let's get back to cards, shall we? Let's get back to our bread and butter.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um let's let's I'd like to hear about your because you've saved this for the pod. So you mentioned to me in the week, I love getting these messages that you've uh you've this could be this could actually sound a little bit wrong, but you've fallen into a uh a Jordan Love hole. Um and I asked you about it, but you've kept it for the pod, so uh let's let's set the record straight on what you mean by you falling into Jordan Love's hole. I mean a hole.
SPEAKER_01:So when was it? Must have been midweek, I think it was. Yeah, midweek I was um Wednesday night, I think it was, and there was I was left on my own left on my own devices, should we say? Um so I fell into an eBay hole of Jordan Love cards, and um, I've got some belters. I've already had some uh some delivered. Uh I've got them with me now. Do you want me to uh show you? Oh yeah. So I've got this Panini Prestige, any given Sunday, uh Jordan Love card. Um nice, yeah. The final against who's that? Is that Steelers?
SPEAKER_02:Uh well I can't I wasn't gonna reveal this, but I can't really see it because the uh stream's gone a bit grainy.
SPEAKER_01:But uh not a problem. Um Sunday Prestige. I've also got a Panini Select rookie card, Green Bay rookie card. Nice, which will be up there with uh, you know, we we know how much we like the select cards. Uh they're really nice, aren't they? There's that, and then this one, the piece de la resistance at the moment, is an optic Don Russ, uh John Love Hollow. Oh very nice, yeah. It's in a PSA, it's not graded, but it's in like a what you call it, like a PSA slab thing. Oh yeah. So it's in like mint condition, so that could be a potential to be sent off, to be honest. Yep. Uh I've got some more coming, uh, another like four or five. Um, and then one of them, second time this has happened on eBay, um, I bought a card and um what was it called? Like a gold, gold something or other of Jordan Love. Uh the seller's gone, I can't find it. Can't find it? Yeah. Can't find it, so can't sell it. Brilliant. Refund.
SPEAKER_02:He's obviously got a better deal, wasn't he? Or uh didn't get what he wanted for it. Was it a was it an auction or a buy it now? Uh uh good point, it was an auction. Yeah, not got what you wanted, has he? No, so report, report.
SPEAKER_01:Oh our report, alright. That's terrible, yeah. I also I also bought um bought a couple of Liverpool base sets actually. Um well I've got I've got a card from Fanatics, the box sorry, from Fanatics, and I've bought um a Liverpool trading card set, so 2223 and 2324. And I've got a couple of numbers out there actually. Oakley Canoya. Yep. And uh Rise of Star number 64 out of 125 and Schoberschle 87 out of 399. Oh nice. So as I'm collecting these base sets, obviously, like they come in the packs, some of them come with like number cards or parallels or stuff like that, um, which is really cool. Something else opened this week. Now, this was just a bit of a road by. I bought a pack of Futera 1999 Liverpool cards. Oh wow, is that it was stealed, yeah. I've opened it now. Oh right. Um yeah, I just thought I'd just fancied it. So I bought them, and they're so funny to see them because obviously these are what 26 years old. Yeah. So, and that all um you can get a da da da da da hunt for the special Futera chrome cards. And I did get one. So Danny Murphy hot shots. I'm guessing that's the chrome one in comparison to they're like slightly raised. The players are like raised on the card. So I've got that. I mean that's that's a general Futera, and that's the old one. So like it's quite funny to see like the difference in quality. Because if you turn the old ones around, they're like just black and white.
SPEAKER_00:Ah, okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um they're in fairly good condition despite the age or yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:They're quite lightweight, they're quite like uh got like Stephen Maneman, another like raised card. Players raised, got Patrick Burger there, Burger King. Used to have a poster burger king. I've got uh another hotshot, but not a chrome one. Steve Staunton. Great player. Oh, that's a classic. And last but not least, I've got a hero's Alan Hansen. Nice.
SPEAKER_02:Speaking of um Alan Hansen, um I've got a message from Lemers, friend of the pod, guest of the pod. Yeah, um, he we posted your uh uh Mark Laurenson card, didn't we, the other day on uh Insta and TikTok and whatnot. And um not whatnot, just saying whatnot. Maybe that's where whatnot came from. I'll wait to say that. Um yeah, to clarify, we're not on whatnot. Uh but he he messaged me and he's he was absolutely buzzing off that. I think that's one of his favourite players, and he's he's declared that he's gonna start a Liverpool PC from around the 80s and stuff like that, and he was looking at purchasing some autos and that, and I was just like, I love it, I love it. That's what we do. We've even got Lemmers and his Star Wars cards now. He's now he's now loving it. He's he's been listening to the pod, he's been on the pod, he sees the cards, and he's like, you know what? That's a bit of me, that another one button. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so yeah, that's good news. Lemma's that is another recruit to the hobby. Um, so if there's anyone out there that wants to help Lemmers get started, any Liverpool players of the 80s, some nice cards, uh hit us up, hit Lemmers up. Um I'm sure you appreciate that. Um, but yeah, that's uh Yeah, I love that. Just love stuff like that. Um we're what can we say? We're inspirational. Um before we continue with cards, another I suppose it's a bit random to be honest. Um but I met up obviously while I've been over here, I've been meeting up with a few people and that, and I met up with uh uh let me say a top grassroots striker female uh who I used to coach in Leeds, uh a girl called Jen Moffitt, uh, aka Posh. Um one of my really good friends or spent many a year sharing a beer and having many, many a football debate, uh, even to the point that I stormed out of a curry house once having a tantrum, uh, which was brought up uh when we uh we met up this week. Um classic, but uh unsurprisingly, we had a little football chat, and uh I said I was gonna give her a shout out, and she's been listening to um our pods on her uh her run. I got a message saying she actually, I think this is genuine, I don't think she's humouring me, but she said that uh she enjoyed the pod and will be a regular listener. Um so I did say to her that I'm gonna give her a shout out. So there's the shout-out. But what we were discussing was uh, so she's a Middlesbrough fan, um, who are doing really, really well in the championship, uh second at the minute. Um would be good, it would be good to have them in the Prem because then you'd have Sunderland, Newcastle, Middlesbrough. So I think that would be good for football. Um, but we were discussing Rob Edwards, right? So what I want to ask is it's a bizarre move, isn't it? He's gone to he's left Middlesbrough who were who were not sure, you know, nothing short of flying, you know, and he's gone to a struggling Wolves who are sitting on two points. Um, and I know there's a connection there because I believe he used to coach under 21s or under 18s or something like that. There's obviously there's the history, and I suspect that when push comes to shelf, wolves are probably fight in a financial better position, but he's not gonna last there, is he? So how is he what I don't understand is to me that's a gamble. You're with Borough, you're doing good things, you're at the top of championships. If you're thinking about your career, you've got a potential promotion on your on your CV there. You're going to Wolves, unless he's well, maybe this is a strange thing to say, because obviously good managers are going to back themselves, and that's obviously what he's done. He believes he can go there and do a job. But for me, for someone in his position, that's too much of a gamble. Why go to a wolves when they were in the position that they're in? Um, because that's surely going to be detrimental to his career. So you could have a scenario where Borough get promoted, which is you know, it's not a given, it's still early in the season. Um, but it's looking that way, it's looking like it's going that direction, and you're gonna you've got wolves who need nothing short of a miracle now to stay in the Premier League, even this early. Um, so for me, it's just a weird move. So I wonder what your thoughts were.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, um good question. Good question, first of all. Uh shout out Posh um up the borough. Uh in terms of that decision, yeah. Um did he used to Rob Edwards used to play for Wolves as well?
SPEAKER_02:I believe so, yeah. I think he did. Yes. I mean, we're not I don't think there's a dispute about those matches. Magnets, if you will, pulling him towards walls.
SPEAKER_01:Um but yeah, weird. From a football perspective, it is it's a monumental job he's got in his hands because yeah, like you said, if you if he's weighing it up in terms of all he's got to do now. Well, I say all he's got to do, what he's got to do now is basically keep walls up. Yeah, that's minimum what do they say, minimum like 30, 30 points, and now on what two? Two. So yeah, they'll say between 20 and 30 points to at least battle the relegation zone, should we say? So miles off it, the team they just don't really have anyone every time I see. It's like a short-term fix. So like they have a transfer window, but then you're like, well, who's gonna want to go to Wolves? Bottom in the Premier League, 11 points off the the team above. Oh, yeah, I'll go there. I mean, you know that that team's gonna go down, probably go down to the championship. So it's not even worth like him going, or them going, oh, you've got a January transfer window, here's some money to spend because the team itself's in disarray. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're not picking up any results, and it's gonna take I don't know, it's just gonna take a long time for them to. It's a terrible start, two points.
SPEAKER_02:I just think it's an unfathomable decision. I can't get my head around it. I know, you know, like you I don't know, it's just a strange comparison, but you know, like when maybe there's been murmurings of say Gerard being involved with Liverpool and stuff like that. And I think we don't know if he's ever had an I know he coached for a while, didn't he, in the in the youth setup and stuff like that, and they're not bad decisions, but like you've seen like Lampard go to Chelsea and stuff like that, and I think if you've got a pool to a club, then it's probably for Lampard, for example, it's probably an irresistible opportunity, but he wasn't right at the time, yeah. And I think people say you've got like you we can sit here all day long naming look at Wayne Rooney world-class players who who seemingly can't manage Fatoffee if you pardon the pun. Pardon, yeah, um but and I think I think management um yeah, you you've got to be a certain type of person, haven't you? I mean Wayne Rooney, for example, would have experienced some world-class coaching, but to actually then deliver it and be able to react to what goes on in a game, uh, that's different. Um, so yeah, there would have been a pull for for Rob Edwards there, but I just think, yeah, like we were chatting about it, and it just seems a really bizarre decision um for him to do that. But you know, look, it's Wolves, it's Rob Edwards, let's move on because we're giving him far too much airtime on this squad. Speaking of a quick one about Lampard, he's actually smashing a commentary, isn't he? I know, yeah. Did you see the little scuffle yesterday or so as we'll kick it off?
SPEAKER_01:I did. It's not the first time that's happened this season, I think.
SPEAKER_02:I remember the Plop one when he had the ump with Plopp in the uh, you know, when we the when we got the trophy in during Covid. He's giving it the big and then, wouldn't he? He said you've won the Premier League one time and you're giving it all that. He's bitter, isn't he, Lampard? I quite like him though. I like I dislike him and like him. Like he's a he's a knob, but I liked I like him I like him to be there so I can call him a knob. He's that type of player. Managers.
SPEAKER_01:I think he's um I think I liked him as a player, like him as a quite like him as a manager, given it a bit. Don't mind it.
SPEAKER_02:That's the s that's the professional standards, isn't it? That we uh not a problem.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna have to stick some eggshells up in there. Some egg boxes, sorry, not eggshells, egg boxes.
SPEAKER_02:Um MC, I've uh wasn't really prepared this morning because I've said that I've got this, you know, I've been peppering the letterbox with new arrivals, let's say. Um and I've got a couple of cards out that I've bought, but some of them are still packaged. Um so I've got this people know that I've kind of fallen into a uh Elijah Arroyo PC. Become quite funny. I think I think this is my ninth RPA.
SPEAKER_00:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:And and ironically, ironically, this one I actually ordered from the States. I just saw it and I was like, it just looks so good. It's this the the Phoenix um Jumbo patch. I really, really like them, so it's one I had to have. Um, so that's come over, and I've picked up this. This was I think I pay like four pounds for this card, you know, maybe eight dollars for those in New Zealand, but it's a£55.99 Origins to a Tag of Ailoa for my PC. Uh yeah, um and I thought that was dirt cheap, and it's in like perfect condition. Um, yeah, really pleased with that. But I picked up, still sit still in the envelopes, I've picked up a um Dio Gota um player worn mem card from the new, you know, from the Topps Premier League uh collection.
SPEAKER_01:Nice.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and um it's funny actually because I was reading the back of a bit, you know, like when we look at like when we get a patch, first thing you look at is it is it player worn or or whatever. And obviously, with NFL mainly, it's not from a specific game or event. But the good thing we spoke about is on the other pods with the Premier League ones is that they're all seem to be player worn, but it says, which just sort of tickled me a little bit, it said that uh that there was a top's representative that's got a big spiel. There's a top's representative there to witness it and stuff like that. So then I started thinking, well, if there was a top's representative witnessing him putting on the shirt, then obviously it's not from a game, is it? They've obviously, well, prior to his passing, um they've had the players come in, haven't they? And they've gone, just put that on, just put that on, just put that on. So he's probably just gone, put a load of tops on, and then they've just cut them up and put them in cards. Because how else could a top's representative witness uh the player wearing that shirt? So that that's the conclusion I've come to. The other question I was going to ask, is it a bit weird having a Diogo Jotta player-worn shirt following his death? Because we know he never played in the kit, so those I think tops must have taken the pictures and stuff like that before the kits came out prior to last season and had their however they do it, you know, bring the players in, chuck that top on so they can technically call it player worn. But you know, in theory, I've now got a little bit of his shirt and he's not around. So I think as a Liverpool fan and a big fan of Jotta, that was I I think it's quite cool.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, massively, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but then I start to think it's a bit weird. But I'm sure people have got a lot of player worn stuff, haven't they, from players that have died and stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah. No, it's not weird, it's pretty cool actually. Um I saw a um a video of a guy opening the new wolf era uh bot and pulled out a mat a match-worn Salah patch, right? And he turned it around and I've read Russ on the back and it says um it's from a pair of match-worn shorts from a pre-season friendly. Um I just thought quite well described well described, at least like that. Independent where you're from, you know? Like I'd rather just go. Yeah, this is not finished from a random match, and then it's not worn by this player. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So I was thinking as well, you know, my um exclusive on-card auto coom one of one. Oh yeah, on eBay, yeah, is it? Yeah, I've got I've got a request for you. I've just thought about this now. If if um anything does happen to me while we're still doing this pod, a little bit like Top Gear, the show obviously needs to continue. We've discussed that before. But I was thinking this hat. I was thinking maybe you could get that chopped up and put into my one of one. A coom pod worn hat. One of one. What do you reckon?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, maybe we should release some cards in pod worn pod worn, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Patches. Maybe we're onto something there. Maybe we should release some coom and curry cards, pod worn patches. Dom will probably go through all the pods going, well, you I've got this one of one here, it says it's pod worn, but I can't find a pod with it on, so yeah, that's that's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that uh you know who knows?
SPEAKER_02:Imagine the allegations. Imagine the allegations. Um, but yeah, like if something happens to me, that's it. That's that's the task. You've got to chop this hat up. Gonna want it put into a card, pod worn, one of one. Imagine the person who gets the little bit of the Seahawks logo. Be buzzing, wouldn't they?
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah. What would you do with mine then? Probably the uh Liverpool zipper.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, that'd be up there. I mean that Colesberg, that Colesberg jumper would be uh I'll be coming for that boy. It won't fit me, so I'll get it put in a card. Yeah, that's unbelievable. Yeah, I reckon we should uh imagine that. Yeah, I might do you know what I might get, I might get that little fluffy top bit off your mic, the famous mic that's let us down a few times. Just get the little fluffy bit put in a card. Pod used mic.
SPEAKER_01:I'll tell you what, the uh the options are endless. I don't know. We're really brain sorting it. This is great.
SPEAKER_02:Just put the whole mic in there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, squash the whole mic, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly, yeah. Imagine that. How would we authenticate it? Um witnessed by a uh a Kumakury podcast host.
SPEAKER_01:Represent yeah, a guest of the pod. Uh you know, Ben Huggins, Simon Lemker, Dom Long.
SPEAKER_02:Have we speaking of guests of the pod, we I'm gonna be very careful as discuss this. Um, but we've had a little bit of a break, haven't we? We've had a um uh we've got potentially a uh another guest coming on, haven't we?
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, like we um like we said at the beginning, it's been a bit of a not tumultuous, tumultuous might be the wrong word, but obviously you're over here seeing family, you're doing this, that, and everything, and and obviously saying my end it's busy time of year. So we'll get back to a routine. We'll bring it back to a routine, and then we'll get um there are some people in uh in the pipeline to come on as guests, which is super exciting. Um Northwest card shows uh on TikTok have reached out and um yeah, we'd love to get them on for a for a chat. Um they hope I think they hosted their first ever card show um uh last weekend maybe or this weekend. I think it was this weekend, this 20th, yeah, Saturday. So yeah, lots to talk about. Um and then yeah, we've just got yeah, just got more people in the pipeline. Um I'm sure we'll be getting them. We'll reach out to some previous guests and get them back on. Um, especially as there's you know, new year, there'll be new cards coming out. Uh Topps Chrome will be um the you know the cream of the crops coming out in the uh January, February, I think. So um, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We're getting we're getting towards the um kind of the end now of Panini in the NFL and seeing what what happens with the top stuff as well. So like obviously the new year is gonna be quite exciting, isn't it? And um yeah, lost my train of thought then. Let the good times roll. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, um, but a lot of content, but you know that that that that's really cool. Like you said, there's a lot there's a few people that reached out. I've had um a few people this week on Instagram message me. Uh new listeners actually who've started listening to the party who really enjoy it. So I think we're getting somewhere. You know, we the listener numbers just keep going up. I think people are genuinely interested. Um, and I'd actually had a few people ask me when the next episode was coming out, which is which is really cool to be honest. Um, because you know, you never know whether what you're producing is actually any good or interested. But like I said, you know, even if no one was listening, we get to spend an hour or so every week having a chat, so there's there's always a positive. Um we've in other news actually, two things I want to speak about. I've got a uh I've done a few trades with uh card geezer on Instagram, who um full disclaimer is the brother-in-law. He's got Jake, he's got right into who I hope to get on the podcast. Um nothing to be nervous about here. Um we're all friends, as I as I say. Safe space. Um but yeah, he's he's he's doing his Instagram now, and his pictures are really, really good. And he's quite he writes his descriptions really well and actually prompted me into changing my in our I kept messaging, didn't I? Changing the bio for the Instagram, and I was getting really hung up on how it appeared. Um but I was kind of inspired by his I quite like his uh descriptions of his cards, they're quite funny. Quite a lot of thought goes into it. So I feel like that's his kind of his unique USP, as they say. Um but he's got his card shops and he's got a lot of cards uh up for sale, so yeah, go and go and have a look at Cardgeezer's uh page and and see what he's got. He's got some interesting stuff, and I've got a lot of stuff off him, as I spoke about in the last few pods. Um yeah, we've done some nice trades, but we've just for Christmas, we've bought a mosaic international hobby box and we've done a little draft. Um I've got packers, so you know if I get any decent packers, they'll be coming your way. So you've got a vested interest. But yeah, we've picked up the hobby box, so I'm looking forward to that. That's and that's a in terms of uh like you can get like the prop the full hobby box, but we've uh opted to go for the international, that's technically my first hobby box I've purchased. Um I'm looking forward to that.
SPEAKER_01:Key question when are you cracking it open? When's the break? Well, I f I think Christmas Day.
SPEAKER_02:I just just hold just wait there a minute, wasn't it? I've just thought of something.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, not a problem, Chief.
SPEAKER_02:I've sort of got the um we've got the uh to show the listeners, got the uh hobby box there, ready to go. Ah, there it is. Looking forward to that sealed just for any allegations. Uh but another pickup this week. I'm not sure how Card Geezer's gonna feel about this, but I've picked up a Sam Darnold rookie card uh in his Jets uniform, PSA 10. Wow. Um reason being is I feel I you know like I especially after the game, I just think Sam Darnold's been awesome, Seahawks quarterback, and his mentality is just unbelievable. Um but when I went to New York uh the first uh I think it's the first second time with Jake and that and a few others, Lemmy, we watched Jets Giants, and um Darnold was the quarterback for Jets at the time, and obviously Jake was he saw that game and unfortunately for him decided to be a Jets fan. Um once you selected it, that's it, no going back. So he's he's stuck with Jets now. But I thought I saw that pop up in the PSA 10, and I just thought on on many different levels that had to be purchased. Very interesting. Um so yeah, let's see. I won't say anything to Jake. Let's see if he watches the pod. Let's see if we get a reaction on the Sound Arnold. But um I want to segue into a quick discussion around these slabs. So I know you're are you you still yet to have a slab card, aren't you? I think you're still sticking. So I'm not sure what your views are on the various different slabs, but I read this week that PSA have now acquired Beckett. Um it's interesting because they've got SCG now, uh SCG, um, which are the I don't know if you can picture them, but they're the slabs with like the black insert. Yeah. So I've got a few of them, and I've never really been keen. I've got a few of them. Um I I I like PSA slabs to be fair, um, but there's a lot of talk on various podcasts and um websites and that about like the competitive side of it now because they just seem to be just gobbling up the trading card of the grading market. Um and I've read a statement from Tag who seem to be up and coming, who have got nice slabs actually, they're kind of like fully translucent. Or we say transparent. Transparent's completely see-through, isn't it? Yeah, transluent, translu. Yeah, I'd say they're transparent, but they look nice. But I think I think they're uh AI grading. So I think PSA is still done by people. Um so I just wonder now, is there a competitor? Because they've taken essentially they've taken SCG, Beckett, they're the ones that people would look at. Um and is there a gap now for people like Tag or someone else to who are doing your AI grading where you've got more consistency and potentially transparency on why a card got a certain grade. Is there now room for someone else to emerge? Is there room for a tag to become a leader? Because again, we're only a year in, so the knowledge perhaps is a bit sketchy, but PSA is clearly the leader. It's you know, they've got the nicest slabs, everyone looks at PSA. PSA we know who adds value to your graded card, so it's it's seen as that that real top end. Um but yeah, what do you reckon? Is that is it is is it now time for AI? Is it the AI grading, the consistency, our tag going to emerge as a competitor?
SPEAKER_01:It's quite a um it's a bit of a minefield, isn't it? Because obviously I don't have that much experience in it, but I did see that um guy at work told me that um you know these uh what are they called side men, like KSI and all that, you know, like side one of them like grading website um to grade cards. Um uh so that's up and coming. Um but yeah, like for me, I've still yeah, still get to do it, but I that is probably the next step for me. I do need to get some cards graded, it'd be um a massive buzz. But PSA, uh the PSA ones for me are like They are the classic, that classic uh design. They look really good. Um I quite like the like the colour match ones you can get, you know, like when we were in Fanatics, there was the uh the Saka, what was it called? Like the stainless steel, and then it was mirrored on the the top. Um you can do that with like yeah, like colour match, like sort of the team that it is, etc. So um, yeah, it's a bit of a yeah, like you said, like AI getting involved, and then obviously PSA securing the business elsewhere. Um who knows, mate? We'll have to time will tell.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I think it's it's it's interesting because people uh I've referenced them on here quite a lot. I listen to sports card nonsense, um, and you know, they spoke for 40 minutes about this. Um, and they talk about PSA obviously adds value to your cards, and and and that and and and that may well, you know, that is the case to a certain extent, but you know, like perhaps at our level, you know, like when I I use PCG, so I've got a lot of PSA slabs, but that there I've purchased them, I've never sent off to PSA because as we discussed on earlier pods, I've not got the patience for that. You know, it's going to take a long time from New Zealand, and um, as much as I like them, I'm not waiting that long. I like my cards, you know. We've had discussions with other collectors, and some people get them slabs, some don't. You know, grading means a lot to some people, and you know, others aren't as bothered. I like to have my cards slabbed because obviously you've got the protection element as well, and I think it they look really good. Yeah, but I've been using PCG, Premier Card Grading in New Zealand, um, and I think they're superb. I think the the slabs are not too dissimilar to PSA, you know, they're quite tight fit into the card, they're quite thin, um, and I think their labels look really, really good. Um, there's transparency, so you get your four sub grades on the slabs. Some people don't like it, but it I still don't think there's gonna be many people that if they wanted to buy one of those cards that was a PCG 10, well looked after slab, that it's gonna affect that grade massively. I can't get my head around that, and that's coming from a novice that that's coming from us as as novices, you know, there's gonna be people listening to this that that would have a completely different opinion. But you know, for someone who's new to the industry, I think for me it's about a slab, but then I am grading stuff that's going in my PC, yeah. So I guess I've not had that experience of going, well, you know, let's exaggerate a point, let's take the sound Arnold in a PSA 10, let's get a PSA, let's get a PCG 10 and let's see what the difference is in your sale. I've you know, I've not actually experienced that. I mean, I think my views just come from how that looks aesthetically. You know, PSA slab is undeniably really is really nice, as is the BCG. But you know, would I have um a massive difference in price if I was to sell the same card twice in two different slabs? Um, so maybe that's something that in time we'll become more educated on. But for me and where I am, which is really collecting for myself, I think it's all about how something appears and how easy it is. I think if the PCG slabs were ugly, I wouldn't do it. But because I like them, it works well for me. So it's a fascinating topic because, like I said, more experienced people have had this discussion and they can talk about it for for hours, and it means a lot more to them. But for me, I find it a little bit fascinating, really. Um, but I'm I'm all for the AI though, I'm all for the consistency, I'm all for the if you think that your card's a 10 and it's got a nine or a 9.5, why is that? And I think companies like Tag can tell you, so they'll send you a report and say, right, you know, this is where we've identified an issue, and and you get and there's a lot of transparency around it. I think there's a lot of uh stuff with PSA, isn't there, where people point certain fingers or or think certain things happen. And as we discussed at the pub, we had that those cards that were regraded after the the buyer didn't want to sell. Um so yeah, I'm all for AI transparency.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, absolutely. So like when when you when you send cards are for grading, when you get them back, say they're not a 10. Do they tell you why or not?
SPEAKER_02:No. You can just see so PCG uh has subgrade you know they all have subgrades, so they they go on the surface. Um the oh I wish I had a slab with me. Oh I did actually. There with me.
SPEAKER_01:Um give me a second and I will uh um yeah, it's interesting because I uh interested yet, but um just wondered yeah whether they um they let you know if it would you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So here I've got the Roma Dunze colour blast. There it is. Um yeah, so you can see on there you've got your centering. So you can see that can you see the subgrades on there? Yeah, top uh four of them, yeah. That's it, yeah. So you've got centering. So on this one it was a gem mint 10. So PCG do actually do a pristine 10. So what I I guess one thing, if you've got a pristine, then you probably wouldn't mind seeing those subgrades. But I think where if this was a PSA 10, I guess the advantage to that is you don't see the subgrades, so a 10's a 10. Yeah, but you don't know how much of a 10 it is, for example. Is it a pristine 10, or is it and that that's good if it's just scraped it? Whereas this is a Genmin 10, ideal, centering 10, corners 9.5, edges 10, surface 9.5. So you can see where it's let you down a little bit. Um but in this case, I'd want I wouldn't want the subgrades on there. I'm happy with just having the 10. Yeah, right. But yeah, but you look at the slabs, they're basically a similar size, a similar thickness, they're quite tight fit into the card. So I quite like the slabs, I think they look really, really nice.
SPEAKER_01:Um, so yeah, that's my take anyway. Yeah, mate, love it, mate. Love it, mate. And that'll all be uh I think in the new year I'll probably um look to uh picking some cards out to send off. Um because yeah, it's been uh grabbing my charger pipeline for a while. Yeah, definitely. Um what was the most nah, not a problem. Um what I was gonna say, what the most recent slap you got back? When was the last time you got so you've never sent any off? You've just bought them.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, PCG I've sent off to the to New Zealand, and it's it and it's really good um system, really. Like you you can see, you can track it through their website.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So it'll tell you, you know, once they've received it and the various stages it goes through. Um and then once it's been graded and it's ready to be sent out, you've got the option to reveal the grade. Right. So you can have it, you can wait until it's sent out and you can just look, which a lot of people will probably like to do. Or you can you can look on the website and reveal the grade, which I do. Okay, yeah, it makes sense. And then, of course, I've done my social media post where I'm like, oh, I have no idea what the grade is. Um but but yeah, I quite enjoy that process as well. So when we talk about these different elements of the hobby and things that you like doing, it's it's almost the same excitement as a break, you know. Keep looking at the website and you want to know what your card's been graded. Yeah, interesting. Um so yeah, it is it is good, but I you know, I think it's you know, I think you want to carefully think about what cards you want to send. Like, does it you know, some of mine that I know are gonna stay on my PC, I just get them authenticated because I want them to be in a slab. Okay, not worried about the grade. Um, so there's those elements as well. Um, and it's just really how you want your PC to be presented. You know, some people over here are happy with one touches and stuff like that, and you know, they look good as well. Um there's a real preference thing, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, absolutely subjective, isn't it? It depends on how you want to present your cars, how you want them to look, feel. Yeah. But um, yeah, I definitely definitely need some slabs in my PC. But I might just pick out my favourite my favourite cards from Gerard and and Jordan Love and send them off, see what's what.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Are we um any news on a Gerald Gerard auto yet? Are we any closer?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, a little bit. Um same night I was with Jordan Love, I saw a few uh a few Gerald Autos, a bit lower in price, like 50, 60, 70 quid. Um so yeah, watch his space. Um because yeah, that that's the next that's the next one. That there's a Gerald patch card that I've I've I've watched on uh I think it's like 200 quid. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But um can you can can you can you can you make could you guarantee that you'll end up with a uh a Gerald Auto 2026?
SPEAKER_01:Breaking news confirmed. I think I will I will have a Gerald Auto in my collection. Yeah, uh love that absolutely um yeah, that'd be that'd be that'd be like that's elite level for me. That's uh the top creme to the creme. Uh that'll be at my JR PC. Yeah. Nice. Right.
SPEAKER_02:I think we've um I think it's time to wish the listeners uh a very Merry Christmas, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01:Yep, from all of us here at CCSC. That's the accounts, the HR team. They've been very busy this uh with lawsuits. Uh we wish you a Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER_02:Still ongoing, still ongoing. That'll be a new feature, won't it? Update the listeners on the lawsuit. Another court case, yeah. But uh this is a discussion that should be off air, but we'll do it on air. Will there be another pod before the new year? I think there will, from my point of view.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think they will.
SPEAKER_02:Um on my return to New Zealand, probably.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh once you're uh once you've landed, not exactly after you've landed, but um before I go through customs. Yeah. Before you get your cards taken away from your customs, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Live footage of my cards being uh oh no. Uh but yeah, I think we should um next Sunday if possible. Um if not, yeah, we'll do one before New Year.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think I'm back in the I'll be back in uh New Zealand by the 28th, so uh plenty of time. We'll get one out. Might even go out on New Year's Day. News Eve, News Eve before the New Year. Yeah, sounds good to know. So yeah, you've heard it here first, episode 26, New Year's Eve. Um episode 25, just before Christmas Day. It's been a pleasure. I hope everyone, for me, special one, I'm back after quite a few years with my family. Um, so I'm really looking forward to Christmas Day. Um everyone else has a lovely day. Nice Christmas, nice turkey. Hopefully it's moist and not dry. No one likes a dry turkey. And for the veggies, whatever you have, nut roast. Nut roast, yeah. Enjoy that. It's actually cauliflower cheese. What do vegans eat? Isn't that more of a nut roast?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think so, yeah. Yeah, it's uh yeah, that's a whole other episode, that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I'll stop going now, there'll be another another court case, probably. Alligator. We cater for all, not a problem. Absolutely we do, right.
SPEAKER_01:Love to the family, Merry Christmas, one and all. Regards to your family. Regards to yours. All the best.
