CareerJitsu Episode 53: Can Grappling Data Make You Better At Jiu-Jitsu; Substats Founder Abe Diaz Thinks So

What if the key to improving your Jiu-Jitsu wasn’t just training harder—but training smarter?

In Episode 53 of CareerJitsu, hosts Jason Patterson and Frank D’Amelio sit down with Abe Diaz, creator of the innovative grappling analytics platform SubStats, to explore how data is changing the way athletes approach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Abe shares his journey from grappler to data-driven entrepreneur and explains how tracking submissions, positions, trends, and performance metrics can help practitioners identify weaknesses, maximize strengths, and accelerate improvement on the mats. The conversation also dives into the parallels between data analysis in sports and decision-making in business and professional careers.

Whether you’re a competitor looking for an edge, an academy owner seeking better insights, or a professional interested in leveraging data for success, this episode offers valuable lessons on turning information into action.

In this episode, you’ll learn:
✅ How data can improve your Jiu-Jitsu performance
✅ The story behind the creation of SubStats
✅ Common trends hidden within grappling statistics
✅ How analytics can help coaches and academy owners
✅ Why data-driven decision making leads to better outcomes in both sports and business

Turn Data Into Dominance. Analyze. Adapt. Win More.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:06

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SPEAKER_00 2:34

Hey, thanks, Jance, for having me on. I really appreciate it. Really happy to be here.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Hey, we're very happy to have you here. And uh it sounds like a superhero, the data strangler. This is just so cool. So our listeners are definitely going to appreciate. Here's a young guy, risk taker, go-getter, building his own company, building his own product, also working with the Microsoft products, so much stuff, and then tying it into jujitsu. This is like a perfect candidate for our show. A perfect guest. So without further ado, let's get this rolling. Can you talk us through a little bit? You're young, but you have a lot of things that you've accomplished. So talk us through what motivated you to get your MBA, and then how did you build off of that into your career at Microsoft and your entrepreneurial endeavor?

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Yeah, so um I got out of the Marines in August 2020. So interesting time to get out of the military then. Um so I got out and I knew I want I needed to do two things to stay busy go to school and work. So I accomplished both of those things. I worked at like a real estate collections company for like that sent bills out from for H two HOAs. Uh, and then I was going to school full time. Yeah, that I just ended up at that place.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Did you ever have to do to do the collecting, like knock on the door and say, yo, bro?

SPEAKER_00 3:55

No, no. I did like I did all like the deed the lean searches, deed searches, and then I would take the uh the ledger that the HOA would send, and I would type it into like a system, and then that would get funneled through and mailed to the residents. So kind of operation. Yeah, I did that for like a year, and I started my MBA August 2020. Yeah, MBA Finance from Nova. And then from there, uh yeah, I got the was just going through the classes, and then throughout my in my first semester, I learned about uh data analytics. Um, because I thought I wanted to be like a wealth or financial advisor, and then I learned like I don't want to do that, I don't want to be in sales anymore because I was a recruiter in the Marines before I got out. So then I just stumbled into data analytics. Uh, I did like a veteran seminar for Morgan Stanley that had like, and one of the careers they talked about was wealth data analytics. And I was like, oh, cool, money, finance, and like this data analytics thing. So once I discovered that, then I just started in my journey of like learning how to code, what this stuff means, different tools to use. Uh yeah, so I'll I'll stop there.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

So it's kind of a natural flow into that, and then tell us a little bit about when you started jujitsu, why did you start it, what motivated you to do it? Yeah, and then how's it going for you now?

SPEAKER_00 5:15

So uh I started jiu-jitsu. Well, I saw a pic so I saw a picture of myself, I remember from April 2021. Went to the beach with my buddy and I was like, oof, I gotta do something about this. So then I was like working out, quote unquote, and then I just was like, well, let me just try like kickboxing or jujitsu again. So I just like went to the local school and I signed up, and that was like in the that was right before my 29th birthday. And then in yeah, November of 2021, I did my first tournament after a couple months of training again, and I like won and I like got hooked, and that is when like the data strangler story began, I guess you could say.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Data strangler story. So tell us a little bit about what your software does, what you input into your software, and what results come out.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, so I'll start a little bit more like of the the beginnings of the data strangler story. So at the when I got hooked again of graph, because I did wrestling in high school, I did some wrestling in the Marine Corps as well. I was like six months on the like the Marine Corps team, just getting like beat up for to be honest, for six months. It was like in Greco-Roman. I didn't know it. I was mostly like a folk style, freestyle guy. But then when I started training again, there was like five or six years I haven't touched the mat. And then once I got hooked again, I was like, all right, I don't want to just be someone that just shows up to class, drills, rolls, rinse and repeat. So I started like just tracking my own data. That's this is where it started. So I started tracking like how I did, what we learned, who I rolled with, and how I did that class. And then it started turning into okay, like now I'm competing again. I want to start tracking like all the moves that I'm doing, right? How am I submitting anybody? I wasn't at the time. How many times am I doing certain moves? And then at that, it kind of just like all came together at one point. Like I was learning about data, and then I just had this thought one day. I asked my coach in Florida, he's a former Marine as well, and he's kind of has a funny way of going about things. And I asked him, I was like, hey man, I'm like, I'm doing this data stuff and I'm like training again. Like, what do you think about like dating jujitsu? And he was like, That sounds cool, you should do that. And I was like, Roger that. So I just started doing it. So as I started learning about like how to code and how to do things and create databases and create visualizations, um, I started like fine-tuning it with my own data. So what I put into my software initially was it was just an Excel sheet. So like move name, offense and defense success and attempts, and that was it. And then initially, when I like started substats, I would like get Excel's, score it for people, and then run a command line and that would email them a PDF. But today, what it is, it's a whole grappler portal with like a dashboard and individual reports summing up all those things the original PDF did, but with a little bit more detail. So it so input, like match data, like everything that goes on, output, offensive detail, defensive success and attempts, and then a final analysis and recommendations.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Damn. So it's almost like a coach in a certain way. Here's what you did, here's what I saw, and here's your results. This is what's working for you, and we recommend you try this.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Pretty much, yeah. That was my yeah, it's still like fine-tuning it right now. So now we're like making like a coach or like a port like a gym portal view. So that's we're still in developing that, but eventually it's gonna be like instead of one individual signing up, you can sign up like your whole team and gym, and then you know, I you'll all of your guys or competitors will get analyzed. As many as many matches as you put in there.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

So you can put any role in there as long as somebody's taking now. Is there a certain way that they have to film the role? Is there a certain angle or no?

SPEAKER_00 8:57

It doesn't. I'm not gonna it's because uh I get different angles. It's most I assume it's mostly gonna be from an iPhone or for someone's phone. So as long as it's like clearly and you can tell and it's enough of a good match, I'll take it. And then I make it pretty easy. Like you can upload directly, or my preferred method is if like you already have a YouTube, just upload your videos there and then just drop the link and then I'll I'll see everything there. So can you show us some of this?

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Absolutely. We'd love to see this. And we will some people are listening to this on a podcast, Jason. So let's make sure that we let them know what we're seeing.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

Yeah, if you're on YouTube, you can see it. But if you're on Spotify or Apple, you'll only be able to hear us, but that's fine. We can tell you what we're seeing here.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

But this is very interesting because uh, you know, it's like, you know, I can remember so many times where we have videos from people competing, and you know, my student will say to me, like, hey, can you send me that video uh from that match uh I had yesterday? And you know, I can send them the video, but having something like this where they can like take that video and put it into a portal and have uh and not have I it that lessens my job too because the the this is gonna tell them this is gonna be their their debriefing without needing for me to do it.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

Yeah, and that's like a lot of oh look at this. A lot of people just like their videos are all over the place. So I think having like a centralized place, like, hey, all you guys are the whole whoever competed yesterday, drop all your videos here and then it'll get analyzed. But so here so sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

No, you go, you can explain this to what so people we're looking at like a dashboard very simply laid out, very crisp and clean with some data on it. Yes. So the data strangler is going to just walk us through some of the things that we're looking at.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Right here we have uh Taylor Pace's uh grappler portal. So here it just has some quick KPIs on the top. Uh six matches are in this portal. He has 83% win rate. Uh, most of his wins came from points, and then here it just gives a breakdown of his offensive success and his defensive success, and the top moves that he does, and then what he faces the most, and his submission frequency attempts. So here he is a big leg locker guy. So he's got three outside heel hooks attempts, two heel hooks, and a couple rear naked chokes. Um, but here I'm gonna go down, and this is his individual report based on the six matches in here. So it gives you a breakdown of submissions. Um, so how many you have, if you have any submission losses, um, your match types. Some people send gi, no gi matches, so I like to keep it breaking down like there. Um, points, still gotta clean that up a bit because some some uh tournaments are a bit weird with their points, and I just gotta catch up in the system. But here, so it's offensive move analysis. So this is what he's successfully done in his six matches. So he was in half guard. This guy is a half guard beast. He's a big guy, he's a pretty big guy. Um, I actually met him for the first time a couple weeks ago. Nice to do. And he's hit his gym up in Des Moines is gonna be our my first test gym whenever we get that sold.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

So here up here, he has his uh half guard offensive moves um four times in this in these six matches. Then it just gives a count of all the different moves that he's uh done, and then it gives you like a key takeaway. Offensive attacks from chest to chest category were the most successful, making up 40% of all offensive successful attacks, including moves like half guard top, uh north uh north-south position, and side control. Then it gives you a breakdown of his attempts, right? So he attempted uh guard pass a couple times, probably didn't get it each time. Um, then it gives you a breakdown of his defensive, like uh his defensive side of the of the stats. So he successfully defended the double leg two times, and then each of these moves one time. And then here's other moves where he um he may he may not have done uh well. He probably looks like he maybe gave up the back a couple times, maybe um defended against can opener, stuff like that. And then it gives you right here a final analysis and recommendation. So when you zoom in.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Well, that is so cool. Guys, if you could see this, yes, it's all laid out with bar graphs and pie charts so you can just understand it at a glance. It's not a bunch of numbers we're looking at. We're looking at different attempts that the person made. We're looking at um different things that they've defended, their percentages of success and failure. This is I mean, nobody wouldn't want this. That's what I that's what I say is what I thought of this because like there's nobody that would say, Yeah, I'd like to know how many guillotines I have tried and how many I've hit.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

This will tell you even opponents, even your opponents are gonna want it because they're gonna want to see what you do.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Yeah, your opponents, yeah, this would actually be dangerous.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Yes, and then there's there's also a chat depending on the tier you get for the grapplet portal, there's a chatbot that I'm still working the bugs on. It does work, it just takes a little while, and I need to clean up the output, but there's a chat bot as well. Uh, and then let me go back here. So this is like the fight recap that I got going on right now, and then this young lady, Melissa Sheppy. Um, this is how it looks like in person uh when I'm doing it. So this is an annotation.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

So, guys, what he's doing, he has the videos on this. You can actually click on your fight video and then he can play, he can press play, and then it's shows the annotation.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

This is what like I want to make like so like there's other companies kind of like this, but where the grappler will have to do this themselves. Subsats is a premier service. Like, I don't want I don't think a lot of grapplers will annotate this and do this stuff stuff on their own. So you don't have to worry about it. You just gotta get me your videos and I'll annotate and analyze it for you. And then I'll just like if there's something going on, if like a double egg happens, I'll add the move, I'll put the timestamp, I'll put who it was, her, or their opponent, and then I'll put success or fail, and then I'll do that for the all of the matches.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

That is insane. So, guys, basically what he's showing is your tape that you took, and then underneath it, it shows move by move. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:28

Yeah, right. Good.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

So yeah, I would write whatever that move would be, and then and it's whether it was successful or failed.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

That's really that's a lot. That must be so much programming that you're putting in there. And now you're training this you're training this program to eventually be that somebody just drops it in and it does all that legwork that you're doing. Yeah, so like I don't want so AI will know.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Yeah, so like when Subset gets hundreds and millions of users, I don't want to have to watch all those matches myself. The event like what I'm doing now, it kind of sucks, and it's like the grunt work, but it's building out my model to eventually where you can like drop it in. And first it has to be accurate, but it gives you everything that I showed. Probably be a look a little bit different then, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

So you need to give your intelligence a big enough critical mass of data analyzed so it will know what you would have done if you were analyzing.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Pretty much, yeah. Essentially, I need to give it like a lot of training data. So then essentially so like with the model, eventually it like once it sees like arm bar a bunch of times, it will know on its own in the future. Based on this frame, based on this movement, this is an arm bar, this is a single leg.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

That's crazy. Yeah, that's that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

You're building, you build and like when I first started Substats, I was looking at the the area of jujitsu, right? Like, and I was like, I didn't know anything. I still don't wasn't brand new whiteboard at the time. I was like, what are people selling in jiu-jitsu? Like supplements, swag, instructionals, all social stuff. Then I was thinking, like, why isn't anybody offering to analyze their data or analyze data? Because we spend a lot of time and a lot of money, especially if you're an active competitor, doing jujitsu and our bodies too. So like if it would just make sense to have your data be analyzed. Um, so that's why that's no.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

Yeah, I mean, I don't know for sure about other other like professional sports, but I'm thinking that you know, MBA, the MLB, the NFL have these type of things where they have because they they can get stats like that, you know. So this is so innovative in jujitsu in sport competition jujitsu. This is very innovative, but you're in a sense, you're you're working, you're doing, you're building a tool similar to what they would use as a for professional athletes, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Yeah, so I've I've done a lot of research into this the past couple months. So the MBA they bought, or it was called Second Spectrum. That's the MBA analytics service provider or the data provider for the NBA. And I think they sold for like two million $200 million, something crazy like that. That would be really cool if Subsat is in a position like that. But I don't think I'll make $200 million one day when I sell this thing, but I think it would be a pretty penny. I I know I I know I'm very early in this space, but I know I'm not wrong. So, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

You're definitely not. Yes. Don't forget you're gonna be famous.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

If you make 200 million, I all I want is a Porsche 9-11 turbo black on black stick shift.

SPEAKER_04 18:39

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

That's not and it's all gonna happen here because we're gonna promote you on our link. So it all starts here on career.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

This was the biggest start right here. This podcast getting out there is gonna, it's that's your jump right there. Boom.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

I have a list of people that have believed in stubsats and helped me get to where I'm at. So I'll add you guys to the list.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

All right. All right, we appreciate that. Man, that is incre you that this is such a cool and different thing to do. And like I'm thinking, like, I'm not a competitor in jujitsu. I love jujitsu, but I would be dying to have this. This would be great. Jason, wouldn't you love to have that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

Three or four. Yeah, that's a good point, Frank. You know, it's it's valuable in sport competition, but this is so valuable to training in general, you know? I mean, like you have a you have a virtual coach in a sense, you know. You just you film a role for five minutes and you put it in this portal and you have a you in have an instant virtual coach. It's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Yeah, and if you're a subscriber, if you're a subscriber to it, every week you take one role. Once it has enough data, it's gonna tell you. And then you take that information, you go to your coach, uh, you know what I found out? Every time I get I try a guillotine, the person pops their head out, and then I'm then I'm smashed. So then you can work with your coach on that because because obviously a lot of times we know where our game is good and where it's not, but I bet you there's a ton of surprises, like this is when you're getting past. This is your weakest place. So you can find your weak links, you can make those stronger, and then you can find things that you didn't even know. Like, did you know? Like you're getting the back a lot, but you're not finishing with the back or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

This is and it also can like pop your bubble too. Like you think you're oh, I think I'm hot stuff doing this, but actually the data says you're not. So that's all that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

I want that feature taken out of my no, take that out of mine. I want that button out. I don't want that option. I want it to tell me things that make me feel good.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

Frank, you thought your north-south was good, but guess what? He wasn't, sorry. Or like, sorry, Frank, you burnt way too much clock on that one. That doesn't count.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh, I hope it doesn't stat that clock work into it.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

A lot of these things are are like nice to have and very cool to do, but it's like that's gonna take a lot of work to get there. So there's a lot of things I want to do, and like I need to get rid of all the shiny objects in it. Like, oh, this is cool. We should do this, this, and this. But just need to keep it focused on like keep the main thing the main thing.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

But eventually, you know what BJ B BJJ says fundamentals win win matches.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

And with your software, to be the same thing, get the fundamentals from and like for coaches too, like if especially like you know, you have you have a lot of competitors, like you're not gonna remember every single thing. So, like my goal with the co with the coach and gym portal is like you know, you just have like a aggregated view of like, hey, how did all my competitors do this weekend at grappling industries or whatever? Instead of like trying to remember and then having people tell you it's just like it's all in one place, and then you can design your training plan or you know, work individually with your grapplers, uh, take it from there. So I think this is like very valuable. Like I feel like I was having a hard time like reaching jiu-jitsu people because everyone says, oh, this is really cool, but like cool needs to turn into dollars for me. But I think it's slowly getting there little by little. As like people, as more money comes to jujitsu, as more like analytics get into it.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

You're well, way ahead of the curve. Go ahead, Jason.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

No, I'm I'm just gonna say from uh an academy owner's perspective, um, I'm gonna say that this is like an enhancement tool. You know, it's not necessarily a replacement for for uh for a coach, um, because I think people that are a little bit closed-minded to what we're talking about might think to themselves, oh, you're just kind of eliminating the need for coaches and then it's gonna kill academies.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

No, this is this is not that situation. This is uh this is an enhanced tool that's gonna help your training and help coaches too. Because as an academy owner, I can tell you how how valuable I could imagine that being for me. Because if Frank does a role with somebody and he and he puts his role into a portal and he comes back to me and says, Jason, I had three times I got stuck in side control or something, bottom side control or something, you know. Oh, I know, okay, Frank, let's work on bottom side control escapes, you know? And then I can sit there with Frank and just drill, drill, drill, drill with him bottom side control escapes, you know. So it helps everyone. It helps you, it helps coaches and it helps the athletes.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Yeah, I'm like literally obsessed with this stuff. Like I've like originally this I just did projects on jujitsu data to help me get jobs. Cause like the thing in data, you're getting into data, it's like have a project portfolio, post on LinkedIn, share what you're doing. And everyone was doing like cookie cutter sales reports or whatever. And I was like, well, I'll just use my own jujitsu data. And like I literally like was like coding with like the someone that eventually hired me, um, like my SQL data, which was like a database language, like my own jujitsu data. And like I felt like that helped me like stand out in interviews into hiring managers. And then I was like, Well, I don't want to keep doing portfolio projects forever. I'll self-stats will be like my forever portfolio.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Man, you really built a story, and it's a great interview piece. I know. You took a you took something you love, you're like, well, this made total sense for me. Not only do I need this, everybody who does the sport can benefit from this. So it's scalable and it's it's a labor of love for you, it sounds like.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Yeah, no, it did like I literally don't have I don't like other I don't want watch sports ball, like I football, baseball, I not did not my thing. I don't I'm like I'm still it's like still recovering from like my knee surgery. Sometimes I'll drill, sometimes I'll go to class, but I've just been like working out and I just do like my day job and then subsats and then I play with my puppy because I just got cool.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

So do you have any stats to share with us that you found from the people you're analyzing of moves that are there any superior moves in general? Are there any have you been able to aggregate your stuff? Are you not there yet?

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Yeah, it's well to look everybody as a whole. So uh I'll talk for PGF for example. So this uh last season I was uh the analytics provider, the data strangler for the PGF uh this season. Um and what I noticed a lot was like there's a lot of leg locks. So, and there was only like about 60 something strangles, which they call kills. So, what I noticed a lot too, and B Mac said it a lot on the live streams, it's like once someone gets to the ankle lot and they get three points of contact on the ground and they go belly down, that's it. So like belly down ankle locks pretty much always ended up in a submission this last season of Jeff.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

So like those straight ankle locks or heel hooks?

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Straight ankles. Okay, yeah. So like the three points of contact, it's like your head, and I forgot the other two, and then when your belly's down, it's it's pretty much it. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

So legs are analyzing the the the technique, not just the submission, but the tech but the variation of the submission. Yes, which is even more cool.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

Do you think, Abe, do you think that doing this has helped you get a deeper understanding of jujitsu?

SPEAKER_00 26:17

I think so. And uh yeah, I definitely think so a lot. So for my own game, like when I was competing a lot prior to my injury, uh, I was noticing like 10 of my like 13 competition submission wins were from like the clothes guard, where there'd be like a triangle, arm bar, triangle arm bar. And I was like, huh, that's interesting. Like, I'm not really like a guard player guy, but I just ended up there and that's where I finished. So I was like, all right, let me dive into this more. But then also, like, I don't want to go all in that, and then I don't work on other parts of my game as well. So that's like one thing that's really benefited that I've benefited from doing this, and also understanding like so before the PGF season started, I created like a pre-season dashboard. But what I didn't know at the time, or I didn't understand, it's like, and other sports have this too. It's just like we have all the data, but there's other things that matter. There's the qualitative part, the quantitative part, but the qualitative part matters. So, for example, like let's say someone competed at uh uh in the PGF in a previous season, they competed at a higher weight class. They didn't do as great, but now they're in their weight class, they're more likely to do better. Um, kind of like in Moneyball when the guy was just like, oh, he likes to go to the club and he's a little chubby, but and he has ugly swing. It's like those things matter, kind of in a sense.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

So is your software going to be able to account for stuff that kind of matters?

SPEAKER_00 27:43

I don't that or is that like that's that's way down the I think that's way I like for the next season of the PGF, I'm gonna like integrate some more. It's just how you weigh the data, right? So for example, I'm doing like I'm creating like ELL ELO scores for like other organizations I'm trying to work with. And that's very hard thing to try to categorize because like this is my favorite example, like Bob, the accountant, father of three kids, he can do he can go to trials, he can go to a PGF qualifier, he can do adult divisions, he can go to worlds, and he can also do the master's division. So, how do you make one score for someone that can do all that? It's kind of difficult.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Yeah, yeah, it's complicated.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

So it's like I mean, there is no raw right or wrong way, I think. I think there's so like with this one organization I'm working with, Scrap out in South Carolina. I created like a score, I'm creating a score for them. So it's like as it's only tracking the data for that if you competed under this organization. So my friend that I deployed my computer vision at his event a couple weeks ago, I created a hubcap score. So it's just take into account your history in that event, and that gives you a score under that rule set under that event. I think that's a very fair way for just per event. Now, all the qualitative stuff that comes in, like those world champion, this and that. I that's I still have to figure out how to factor that into the data. But yeah, but like who am I to put a ranking or score on anything, you know?

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Yeah, it there's a lot, there's a lot of subjectivity in that. Tell me what, like, for your clients that have been using your service, have they been surprised? Or have they been have most of them been like, yeah, I kind of knew that my guard game sucked and my top game is is phenomenal? Or I kind of knew that I only go for chokes, I don't go for arm bars. Or have they been like, holy cow, like I that's enlightening. I didn't see that, I didn't know that, I never thought about that.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

It's a mix of both.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

What kind of reaction do you okay?

SPEAKER_00 29:46

It's a mix of both. Like people have like going into it, like, okay, this is where I think I'm at, and like they it comes firms their you know, hypothesis, and other times it's just like, whoa, like I had no clue I was doing this so many times, or this explains why I should have zigged when I should I should have zagged, you know?

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Right, right. Man, we gotta get a hands on a copy of this.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Yeah, grappler portals of substats.app. Uh, and then if you I got grappler cards as well, if anybody wants to get a grappler card.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

Frank's gonna want to share this stuff. He's gonna want to share all of this with people that are outside of our gym, but he's not gonna want to share this with anybody inside our gym. He's gonna want to keep those. Nobody, nobody in our gym is no.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Nobody needs to know you have this break. No, those young bucks, they don't need any help. I need this. I need this help. All right, this is great. So, substat.apps, did you say?

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Dot app, yep.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

What does that mean? Like, do do you like do I go on the app store and find it?

SPEAKER_00 30:46

No, it's just uh just the website name, subsats. I didn't want to do like dot com, and then I don't even know how I came to the conclusion of picking app. I was like setting up my Google account, and I was like, dot app sounds different, so I just went with that.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

App or dot app? Is it plural or singular?app substats. Subsats. Substats. That's the website. Instead of dot com. Yeah. We're definitely gonna put this link in the description. So is it ready to like people can buy it?

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Yeah, or yeah. Do you just uh sign up for the grappler portal, pick what you want to a lot of people picked the free trial and then they get a portal, or uh someone this week just wanted like an individual, like just a one-time PDF report. So I just scored up their four matches real quick and sent that to them. But it depends if like what tier you want, if you want the chat bot, if you don't want the chatbot, um just depends.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

No, you go, you go.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

Uh just I was just wondering, what did you um do have you gotten any feedback from people? Like have they in terms of have they said to you that after they've done it, like they've done this analysis and they've had a chance to go back to their the drawing board and their training and have had a chance to reiterate everything and and work on their technique or work on parts of their game that they need to improve. Definitely. Um and have come back stronger and done better.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Definitely, yeah. Like the most common feedback is like I I'm training or I'm in a match, and I remember reading your little report that you made for me, and it made me like, okay, hey, well, this is what the data says, and I gotta I gotta do this instead of what I'm used to doing. So that's lots of that essentially.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

But have they come back and said that it has helped?

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Yeah. So like have you in have you analyzed somebody that has been doing it for a while and they've been practicing now, correcting the techniques that they need to and working on the things they need to, and then they've come back to you again and said, you know, eight months ago, I sent you a I sent a video and I've been working on this thing for eight months, and I've really noticed an improvement.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

Yeah. So one of my uh Substat sponsored grapplers, uh Miss Lyle, he's out in uh Minnesota. He sends me videos all the time and he has a lot, and then I analyze it, I give him the reports, and he like, you know, he's he competes a lot, so he's always like giving me feedback on how he's doing and how it's helping him.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yeah, I think so. Like I like, yeah, I I'm just like a super nerd about this stuff. Hey, the nerds shall inherit the earth. Yeah, what was that move that old movie, um Revenge of the Nerds? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

That was a great movie. Yeah, they win at the end of the day. They they do. Nerds always win. I tell my students that all the time. I'm like, if somebody calls you nerdy, that's a compliment. Because you're gonna be having the yacht. You're gonna be having the yacht and a nice car and Yeah. The brain is a powerful, powerful tool. Young like young people don't appreciate the brain as much as they should. They appreciate other things. But when they get a little older, all of a sudden people realize that intellectual horsepower is gonna get you a lot in life.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

Absolutely. Frank, what would be your what would you what would you use it for, Frank? What do you what do you think you would use this for you?

SPEAKER_01 33:53

If I had it to you personally um to manipulate people and make myself feel better about myself. If I if I if I if if I if I had that kind of a brain, I would literally I and I'm not just saying this, I would do something like Abe's doing. I would if I had that kind of like ab ability to program and to sift through data, to understand data, to understand AI. I would absolutely do something like that. I might do it for magic because I love magic and I have all this data on my magic on what I have a binder that I used to keep of who likes what trick, what they ranked it. I'd ask people to rank my tricks in order and then and try to cross-reference what kind of people like what to make myself a better magician. This kind of talent I would definitely apply to magic and I would have a software for magicians to let them know where their wow factor is and what kind of effect you show what kind of a person. So you put in the audience that you're gonna be presenting their demographics, and it'll spit out your best. Instead of you going through all your tricks, it'll spit out. No, these are the ones you already do. These are the ones I would love to do something like that. You can do it. Unfortunately, I don't I don't think I I don't think I have the the technical brain to do that.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

No, I don't believe that. I barely passed the test to get into the Marines, and I'm doing AI, so you can definitely do it.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Man, you're definitely an inspiration. That is so cool. That is so cool what you what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

Yeah, I don't it's not much about smarts. It's like for me, it's just like I know I'm not the smartest guy on the block, but like I know like I I can find the answer if I need to, and like I'm dedicated and I can I will understand it. Might not take it might take me ten times as long, but I'll get it.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

You know, all the greats are humble. You're not giving yourself enough credit. Um, you doing this and you you putting this together and you marketing this and already getting some clients, that that's a level of intelligence. It is a level of intelligence.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

And it's part of six, it's and it's how to be successful, right? Identifying a problem and finding a solution.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Exactly, right? And then like I picked a really niche sport and a very niche thing to do, but it interests me. Like, I mean, I can work and can do job or other things and I'll get through it, but like data and this stuff, like I'm real like I can sit here like 10 hours all day. Like, I'll probably literally sit here all weekend and just do this stuff because I don't have a life and this is just what I like to do.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

You absolutely do have a life. You're creating something that's gonna be an amazing tool. You definitely have a life, and you you know, you found what you love to do. So many people are struggling to find something they even kind of like to do. So you gotta you gotta put that in perspective. And again, you know, I love that you're humble.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Yeah, no, it's uh I think uh I think a lot of times too, it's like, man, am I like am I just like spinning my wheels? And like the doubt creeps in, you know, but I'm like, no, like I'm early, but I know I'm not wrong. So I just gotta keep uh keep doing it. And that's how it led me to like the PGF and other opportunities uh and what's and what's coming in the future.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

That's yeah, I think you're gonna I I personally think, Abe, you're gonna need some help. Yeah, you you definitely I I think that I, you know, I I'm not the most amazing uh business consultant there is, but I can see that this is something that could really take off for you. And you're gonna need to start thinking about preparing for the future and thinking about maybe, you know, you not doing everything.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

Yeah, that's like it's literally like so. I have like a couple of developers um that have helped me out, like my day one guys, and then like the guys have the guy helping me with computer vision stuff. And he mentioned, like, hey, we're gonna need to build a team eventually. And it's just like I do sales, marketing, content, operations, finance, right, and then all like the heavy lifting data needs and coding. I like off put that and I did a little bit that I can. But yeah, eventually, like, you know, because I someone asked me a while ago, it's like, do you want to do substats full time? And I was like, hell yes. Like, I love my day job.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

I love my day, I really do like my day job and who what I where I work and who I work with, but like, man, it would just be super cool to just like substats funds my lifestyle. I can like travel around the world with it. That would be super cool.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

But you know, you're in a good position because you have your Microsoft job there for you. Are you able to, as your business grows, are you able to pare down a little bit on the Microsoft and Or is it an all or nothing? No.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

Is it like so? I don't I work at uh I have work at a government consulting firm out in DC. I work remote, so it's a 40 hour a week job.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

So but like I So you have no flexibility to flex that down a little.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

No, and I don't I wouldn't want to because like I'm I just got like another pretty good review, like an annual review, and hopefully I'm up for promotion soon. And like I said, like I really like it working there and my clients and like what I'm doing. But like if Substats make a buttload of money, like then I'll be like, all right, see ya, like I gotta I gotta send it on those.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

Yeah, yeah. That that leap, you take it early, it's very risky, but it can make you grow a lot faster, or you could suffer more and burn the candle both wicks until your your dream is already giving you enough to s to to live on.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

Yeah, I mean if it was just So that's the sorry no if it was just me, like I'm I have a wife, I have a puppy, like I have to like I gotta do the day job, but if it was just me, I would take I would be more inclined to take that risk. But right now I'm okay. Wake up early.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

And you'll know you'll know when it is. You'll know when the time is. You know, you start getting a lot of clients and you're s and you and you and you're you just don't have enough time, but the money's coming in, that's when you do it. When when the demand is crushing you, that's when you do it. And you'll know that.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

Yeah, I'm not there yet. Hopefully this computer vision stuff they'll get me there a lot faster, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 40:12

Can I make a suggestion? Please. I think that if you have like, let's say you have 10 components of your business, let just hypothetically speaking. Um, you know, marketing side, analyzing data, creating leads, setting up, going to tournaments. So take a list, list all of the responsibilities of your business and take things, take a few things that you don't like to do that you really would rather not spend your time doing and outsource those.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

I have just a suggestion.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

No, it's a good suggestion.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

That's a great suggestion.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

The one I would all I would offload like making content. I mean, I don't mind. It's pretty easy. I have like AI agents help me. I use AI agents a lot to do a lot of this stuff, but I just like don't want to have to be creating content and scheduling it. And that's just one thing I would immediately get off my plate. But it's uh I can handle it for now, it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 41:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:07

And you're loving doing it. So you know, when you're passionate about something, it's a lot, it's a lot easier when you love it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 41:13

Yeah, I'm having a good time. Eventually, eventually, like some I'm gonna find like a teenager, be like, you make content.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Yeah. You do you you know, you can look at you know you can look at your local community college and you can get that for a song for a kid who's just trying to build his portfolio, but who's really into it. You can also look at local high schools that have marketing programs and ask those kids to do it. Some high school kids are really, really good, and they'll do it for for a song too. So and that's giving them experience, resume, and a portfolio.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Yeah, I I've had a couple grapplers reach out, be like that are that work in data, be like, hey, is there anything I could help analyze with subsets? And I was like, sure, man, like I gave him some data or I gave him some ideas, and uh yeah, so that's been that's been uh working pretty good as well.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Very cool. And I want to wish you the best, but I know with a product like this, as long as the product is doing what it's supposed to do, people are gonna want it. There's nobody that's not gonna want it. One out of ten people will be like, I'm not into jujitsu that much. But the anybody who likes it as a hobby, even, is gonna want to see their stats.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

That's what I've been like screaming from the rooftops for like years and feel like no one's been hearing me. But yeah, like it's like we spend a lot of time and money doing this stuff. Like, why wouldn't you wanna get and like I know you're gonna run into like the old school people or they just don't care, and that's fine. Like there's plenty of other stats nerds and data nerds that care about their data that will And I don't even think you need to be like a data nerd at all.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

I think you any I think if you practice jujitsu and you go even once or twice a week, you're gonna wanna know where your weaknesses are and and you're gonna wanna know where some of your surprise strengths are. And it's just so nice if you can just put that drop it into a bucket and it spits out. Hey, you know staying off your back or in class. Try to work on a different pass rather than a kneecut. You need another pass. Or every time you're wrestling with somebody big, why are you trying to do this escape? Why don't you try that escape? That would just be great. Yeah. Or why do you and fun. And it would be fun to run your data. You'd be you press go and you'd be like, oh, what you you know, you'd be o it'd be like watching a movie. It'd be getting putting it.

SPEAKER_03 43:33

You know, putting like an automatic microscope over your training, you know?

SPEAKER_01 43:37

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. I w I would definitely have a button that says the harsh reality or the soft reality some people's egos.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Yeah, let's see about adding that in there, like or or like uh like the tier like do you want like the ha like the happier, like the the the really messed up face?

SPEAKER_01 43:55

What mood are you in? What do you need today? What do you need today? What you're doing really well. Do you want to work on your strengths? Or are you you know, are you open to some harsh criticism? Yeah, that's it. You know what would be funny if you put something like a little thing like if you do you want us to be a bitch to you, like man, you're just a dick. You're doing the can opener, you're just a dick. You can have like you can have a humor one, like forearm on the nose. Come on, guy. You're super douchebag right there. That'd be funny.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Or you got caught in a submission and it got caught in a submission and it says, you suck.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

Yeah, dummy sweep again, they named it after you. You could have like a sarcastic button. That would be fun. That would be fun. Think about that. Yeah. I'll write that down. No, that'd be f that'd be all right. And listen, you don't even need to footnote me. Just take it. It's your way.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

And that's what I so for so for the grappler cards that I'm I decided to make or have made, um, I thought I've that's why I wanted to make them because like you can make cards and like roast your friends in it. Like uh someone made a card and um I forgot the funny line that they said about their friend was just like always passes the wrong way or something like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

What it's like when you say grappler card, are you talking like a baseball card? Yeah, like uh like a picture of the person like flexing and then their stats on the back or something?

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Something like that. Let me show you.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

I'm excited to see this.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

Hey, while you're while you're pulling while you're pulling that up, um, what do you where do you see this going in like like 10 years from now? What's your big what's the vision that you see like 10 years from now with this?

SPEAKER_00 45:31

Me um selling this for a billion dollars.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

No, not aside from money, what is it, what do you see it does? What does it what do you see it does for jujitsu?

SPEAKER_00 45:41

I really want to change the game, and that's what I think that's what I want this to really get. Like at the end of the day, when I'm like gone from this earth, I want to know like I made a really good attempt to change the game and bring professional data analytics to a sport that didn't have it. So that's where I want to take.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

That's a great mission statement. That's a great mission statement. That answer your question? That's perfect. That's a perfect answer.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

Love these grappler cards, we gotta get them.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

Yeah, so here's so I made some for the PGF, like but the um I just made like the franchise player ones before the season started. When uh when I met everyone, I handed some of these out. And uh a lot of people were like, oh, where do I get one? Where do I get one? And I was like, Well, let me make a work.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

Wait, wait, are they digital? When you say you handed them out, are they digital? So for our listeners, he's showing us. You remember like the baseball cards where you have your favorite baseball player on a on a card or Pokemon cards. Oh, they have a back okay stuff like that. This is so cool. Oh, we gotta get this for our gym. It's like everybody's famous. Please do.

SPEAKER_00 46:52

Wait, how much are your cards? So one is one is ten. So these are not, so when I handed them out to PGF, like I use my own money to print them out because it was my first time meeting the PGF team. So I didn't want to like just say, hey, I'm substats. So I handed out stat sheets, these grappler cards, um, just to be like make a good first impression. Um, but these right now are just digital. I still have to think of a way, like it's a very complicated process um to get it to be printed out because I don't want to have to go to FedEx every time and get it printed out. So I'm still working that in, but like these are digital. So how it works is oh, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 47:32

Like, can I print them out on my own or no?

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Yeah, yeah. So so like how it works is you choose a package and you fill out all this information, like it'll ask you all this stuff here, like your name, your gym, and all that stuff, and then it'll say it'll email you a PDF so you can print. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

I am buying mine tonight.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

Please do.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

That is so cool. So basically, you get a picture of you looking like an animal in the front, and then on the back it says your team, what your like superpower, belt rank, style, what kind of style, and you fill it out. Signature move.

SPEAKER_03 48:09

It's like jujitsu Pokemon.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These aren't like super, these aren't like super statsy. Um, but I so like this one, so like the substats take, this is dynamic. So it takes everything up here and it makes this here. So like this guy, well, here's mine. Uh, if you give him space for the head and arm choke from top side, expect he wins scrambles, turning small openings into clean control. Uh, not I think this is just an example I made, so not very accurate to me, but it's pretty like imagine you like imagine your friend went 0-2 and lost really bad at this this past weekend's tournament. Imagine getting him one of these and just roasting him. I think that would be fun. Funny.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Yeah. So we gotta listen.

SPEAKER_03 48:53

Yeah. Our listeners, like Frank said, this is like a it's like a baseball card. You can imagine this if you can't see it. Um, it's a bait, it's basically like your a picture of you, like on a baseball card. Um, and then it has like the back of it has all of the stats about you. It's it's amazing. It's so cool. You can like you could use this as a game. You could do this as like a I feel like you could we could actually buy all these in the gym, Frank. Um, get one for everybody, and we can have like a little battle, like a card battle with each other.

SPEAKER_00 49:23

Yeah, it would be we sh like for style snapshot. I'll put I'll put them for my friends, like taps to pressure. Um, just something funny like that.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

That's funny. This would be a great thing for like Chris our Christmas I think so.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

I think it's a great idea.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

This is this is this is really, really good.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

Abe, is this a separate website or is this the same that's a good idea? Yeah, this is a separate app.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

This is uh cards.substats.app. Like for my main website, like it was kind of it was kind of it's gonna be weird to kind of include this. So I just told my guys like let's just make something completely separate. Um, because like at okay, let me pull up that my actual website right now.

SPEAKER_03 50:08

So you heard that, listeners. There's gonna be two different links in the description of this podcast. The first link would be the substats one, and the second link will be for these cards.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

Um, so here we have like just a regular website, just kind of goes down like what is substats. Um, and it talks about me, the founder, mission statement, what we offer. So competitive analysis, AI, jujitsu coach, accessible data reports, substats cards, video to a video tutorial of like how to upload your videos to the portal, be good to know. Um, contacts us, and then here are the the plans, right? So you the free two-week trial, or if you want the essentials, which is like four $3.99 a month, so four bucks a month, you get up to six matches analyzed. So if you compete one, let's say you compete one time a month and you do at least two brackets, hopefully you have at least six matches, or you compete every weekend of the month. Um so and then if you want the precision, which is like eight bucks a month, then you get like the AI support and all this other stuff. And the one-time analysis, four quick videos, get you that, we'll get you a quick report.

SPEAKER_03 51:18

Abe, I you're undercharging, brother.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

Yeah, I know. I I I I th you can always charge higher, so and yeah. So but uh I'm eventually eventually substats is gonna be very expensive. Not very, but like it's gonna be a good price. And then here are Well, that is and you got your uh and um so for uh for the gyms too. This is something here. Like this is my friend Drew that told me just to do it.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

This is funny. Just got some analytics from Substats. I thought I sucked at Jiu Jitsu. Thanks to the report. Now I know I suck. Benny Black Belt.

SPEAKER_00 51:56

Yeah, shout out to Benny. He's a great he's a big believer in Substats, huge fan. He's also Substats sponsored grappler. He's the first unk signing. I don't know if you guys have been called unks or hear other people calling older individuals unks. It's like uncle, like older. Yeah, yeah. I'm a teacher, I hear that. Unk and nephew, yeah. So yeah, no, this is it. And then well, since I'm already sharing the screen, uh, you guys want to see the computer vision stuff I've been working on? Yeah. So this computer vision here, so this right here, um, uh a couple weeks ago at my friend's event in Minnesota, I deployed this for the first time. So I literally went to his uh went to the event, had my laptop, my tripod, my camera, and I clicked run and on the code and uh analyzed all the matches. Here, so this is the graph, so this isn't that event, but this is just an example. Blah. Sped up a little bit. So this is an example overlay of Sean Melanson versus Austin Aronde during the PGF, and it's a little sped up right now, but what the program is doing, it's looking at what's going on in the match, and it's annotating and analyzing everything. So this is a little it's do you're not doing it at all. I'm not doing it at all. The code is doing it. That's crazy. And it's a little that this is a little uh earlier version, so like it's it picks up, it picked up a lot of the positions wrong. So been working on that. Uh, but here it gives you a report on the side here once the match is done. There's like most of the time, the most of what's going on is leg locks. It gives you the amount of transitions. And let me go back here. So that this is where Sean gets it. He's about to get the ankle lock, boom. And then here at the end of each match, it gives you a match breakdown. So uh how many transitions there was, the time in each position, all that. Now, my goal with this is this doesn't exist in grappling competitions. So there's a lot of like major events and smaller events locally, regionally, and but they all have pay-per-view or they have they have TVs around the venue. Computer vision analytics for live grappling matches doesn't exist, and I'm the first person to do it to test it live on an event, and I'm gonna be the first person that does it that brings us to jujitsu events all around the world.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

That is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

So that was we knew you when, and we knew you when.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

You knew me. So this is like the next phase I've been working on. Um this is the same Sean and Austin match here. So now what this is is segmentation. So what it's doing, it's picking up grappler A and grappler B. So now it's gonna give you of like who on the bottom who's most dominant. So still some tw tweaks to work out and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

Uh like, for example, I gotta like this is like science fiction looking. This is wow.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

Yeah, if you can't see this, like it's like watching two computer animated uh grapplers.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

Yeah, so this exists for like striking arts and stuff like that. Like I did one for MMA, I can show that too. Um, but like this, like it's this is like the next version, but like I still have to like do a better job of like filtering out, like not picking up people in the crowd. And this is very difficult because like every event is different, camera angles, lighting, uh we're like the audience, like where is it elevated stage, or are they on the ground, or are they in a pit? So that's a lot of this is like why this doesn't exist in grappling because it's a very hard, complicated problem to do. But I was just like, screw it, like I'm like I'm gonna be the one that does it. Well, with some help, because this is like way above my level.

SPEAKER_01 55:49

Yeah, this is very, very cool. So to our listeners, it's like one guy's like in blue, one the other guy's in red, like it it gives them a color, and then it's hard to explain.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

It's picking up so like Sean's on top in blue, and blue is mostly 51% of um aggressiveness.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

So he's just showing us some of uh some of his work in action that this has actually been happening.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Um so I a couple weeks ago I wanted to do one for MMA, just like testing it out because I want to so but the last podcast I did, they asked me what's my goal with substats, and my answer is world domination. Like I'm not just gonna stick in grappling. I'm gonna the next the natural transition is to MMA, and then I've been messing around with some judo data as well, talking to some judokas. So I'm looking to get into that area as well. Yeah, world domination is my goals. There is uh striking computer vision models that exist mostly for boxing, but for MMA, you lose to analytics once it goes to the ground. That's where Substats comes in and brings in the grappling part.

SPEAKER_01 56:53

Oh nice.

SPEAKER_00 56:54

So for this here, this was like that Blades Hokich fight, that crazy fight a couple weeks ago. Um, this is just me like messing it around, telling like Claude Code what to do. Um, and yeah. So it's just picking up like right hand, it's giving like the pose estimation with like the skeletal um things going on. Um still very early model. I've been messing around with the MMA side uh when I can. But wow, Jason.

SPEAKER_03 57:19

This is this is innovative. Like I well, I think I started this introduction today saying how innovative this was gonna be, and that's a great description because it is truly innovative.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Yes, sir. Yeah, I appreciate it. No, thank you. Yeah, I've been uh like I said, I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I know I'm very dedicated to this, so it'll get done.

SPEAKER_03 57:39

Done. Done. All right. Well, Abe, thank you so much for your time. Frank, what time is it?

SPEAKER_01 57:46

It's tap out time, your favorite time of the program, where we wrap up and give you some of the golden nuggets from our interview from Abe here. This is a podcast I'm gonna make my students watch. I teach entrepreneurship. This is very inspirational. Man, you Abe. You're an inspirational You look like a kid. You look so young. Thank you. And you've done a lot in your how old are you again?

SPEAKER_00 58:13

Oh, I'll be 35 in two months.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Thirty-five. You look like you're like twenty-one at the most. But you've done a lot in your in your youthful years. So the data strangler, here are some of the things. The biggest takeaway from this I know it sounds cliche, but it's not because this is somebody's actually doing this. Taking what you love to do and just naturally, organically growing that into a business is the best feeling somebody can have. And I love when you said that if everybody else was doing their portfolios on analytics on sales processes processes and things like that. Why don't I just take something that I like to do? Now, if that's something that somebody's really into, that's gonna shine for them. But if you just pick that because everybody's doing it, you don't distinguish yourself. You distinguished yourself by taking something you loved, and it grew organically. And Jason, so many of our successful guests on the show have you noticed have done that. They're like, well, I really liked this, and then I saw that nobody was really doing this, and then I started to do it just for fun, because I liked it, and then all of a sudden the people were interested, and now look at me. That is the most organic and sincere way to not chase money, but the money will come. The money will come because you're fun.

SPEAKER_03 59:37

And it's not a coincidence that they do jujitsu, right, Frankie?

SPEAKER_01 59:40

No, it's it's not a coincidence. Jiu-Jitsu teaches you to find your way, which gets gets me to the next thing that I really like about you. I said this in a pre-interview, and I'm gonna say it again. I had a physics teacher who said progress in science is one percent inspiration, 99% perspiration. I always liked that quote. It stuck with me from Mr. Zafron in I think it was like 10th grade science. And you are living that because you are all about the grind. Right now, you're teaching your system how to analyze these videos, but you have to do it first X amount of times until your system understands it. And you're like, all right, well, I have my 1% inspiration, I know what I want to do. Now give me the grind. Yeah. I'm just gonna just put my nose to the grindstone and do what I gotta do.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

I don't think there is an excuse for anyone, especially nowadays with all the AI and everything that's readily available. Like, there is no excuse to not go after what you want. Like you you have you literally have super intelligence tools in the app store at your fingers on your phone. Like you can make it happen. Usually, like I'm using it like like like I couldn't code all this stuff on my own, but I can ask an AI, I can give it the idea and help me learn how to do it, and then do it my like that AI gets the credit, but I mostly get the credit, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:59

You're leveraging AI.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

I'm leveraging AI. So there is no excuse for anyone to not use AI. To if you have a goal, you want to achieve something, a business, a product, or something, use Chad GPT, or I personally use Cloud Code. I'm not sponsored by Cloud Code, but I just think it's the best one out there. Use something, get it done.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:17

So a couple of other things I wanted to say is you're also living proof of consistency. You're very humble, um, and you're not giving yourself a lot of credit for your prowess with technology and coding. You're like, ah, I'm not the best coder. But I want to say that consistency always pays. You don't have to be the superlative anything. You don't have to be the best anything. It's the person who shows up and does the consistency, which your product is a real, palpable manifestation of that philosophy. I love it. And another thing you said that I thought was great doubt creeps in. Doubt creeps in, and you just say, you know what? I know, I believe. So you just cast that doubt right out and you keep on doing what you're doing. That's everybody who's ever accomplished anything great has said the same exact thing. And the last thing I love about you is you think big world domination. And you actually could do it. There's no reason that you cannot do that. This grappling software, if you get it and you smooth it out and you get enough people doing it, easy to go up to MMA because you they already have the striking stuff. Marry those two together. You're you really can rule the world. Do not forget about my Porsche 911 Turbo, black on black stick shift. It all starts here. We're gonna put your links down there. Everybody, check out the links, check out the card links. They're so funny and so cool. And then check out the YouTube. He's got a free trial. Just try it. Yeah. Take a video and then send it in and try it. See if you like it. And it's very reasonably priced. So everybody give this kid. I say kid, I'm sorry. I know you're an adult, but you look so young. Give this guy an opportunity to shine. He deserves it. He's a baller, he's got a little bit of that nerdy-ness to him, and he's also savage with a blue belt. So come on here. Let's support this guy. Appreciate it, Jens. Thank you. Thank you so much for being on our show. Jason, do you want to do any calls to action?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

Just our call to action is to get this episode out to everybody. Everybody who knows Abe, get this out there and share it. Share it. I think this is valuable for academies. It's valuable for BJJ practitioners. It's valuable for coaches. Um any grappling organizations. So get this out there to every avenue that you can because you will be able to say that you knew Abe even before he became super famous.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:56

Yes, yes. Great stuff, guys. Enjoy your weekend. Ciao.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:03

Well, there you have it. As we wrap up today's episode, let's take a moment to reflect on the powerful connections we've explored between the art of jujitsu and your career. In your workplace and in jujitsu, you learn to adapt and navigate challenges. So remember that persistence and the courage to embrace the lessons you learned are the keys to your growth both on the map and in your career.