The Holy Standard
Welcome to The Holy Standard - the podcast for women who don’t just want to grow, they want to lead. Here, we build spiritual authority, internal systems and bold standards that make you unshakable. If you’re done with watered-down faith, fluffy self-help and surface-level success... you’re in the right room. Let’s raise the bar and our standards.
The Holy Standard
Spiritual Authority, Deliverance and Kingdom Influence with Kevin Crenshaw
Kevin Crenshaw shares his radical transformation from relationship coach to deliverance minister, revealing how hitting rock bottom led him to discover authentic Kingdom authority and spiritual freedom.
• Growing up in the church but later exploring new age practices and plant medicine
• Experiencing homelessness, chronic illness and financial collapse before returning to faith
• Understanding demonic influence through torment that willpower cannot change
• Distinguishing between horizontal change (self-improvement) and vertical evolution (spiritual transformation)
• Recognizing common "open doors" to spiritual attack including unforgiveness and pride
• Approaching business as a garden requiring presence rather than a rocket ship needing acceleration
• Reframing entrepreneurial influence as a calling rather than an achievement or requirement
• Identifying how Kingdom authority operates through surrender rather than striving
To learn more about Kevin's work and his new book "Perspectives," visit him on Instagram @the.heart.guy or grab the first chapter of his book here for free! Link
Welcome to the Holy Standard, the podcast for bold, god-led women with strong spirits, sharp minds and high standards. This is where kingdom authority meets high performance discipline. Together, we're raising the standard for what it means to be a woman of God in business holy and high level. All right, you guys, welcome. I have such a special guest today, and before I introduce who it is, I actually want to give a little bit of a background, and I don't even know if you know this, but I found your page probably a year ago. I was in the jungle of Tulum. I just started pivoting my business into talking about heart-led leadership and I found your page and for the first time, I felt such soul resonance in my head. I was like somebody finally gets it. And so ever since then, I've just been following along your entire journey, and so I just have to say it's so cool and it's such an honor to have you here on the podcast. So, you guys, I want to introduce Kevin Crenshaw.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's an honor, and wow, thank you. Wow, that's an honor and wow, thank you. It's. It's just so crazy, right. Sometimes I post stuff and I'm like that's a weird topic, god, but okay. And then the amount of DMS I get of, like I needed to hear that. Today I'm like whoa, okay, okay, I see what's happening here. So it's, it's just really cool to hear it, right, cause I think it's, if anybody can relate, sometimes we just post on Instagram and we don't really we see likes and comments, we don't really know the impact we have.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and how much thought that comes into it. So I would love for you to just give people a bit of a rundown, like tell us a bit of your story, tell us who you are, what you do. I know you're in a bit of a transition, so I'm super excited to get into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow, a little bit of who I am. I'm a DJ. I love Jesus. I have been in near-death experiences. I've been through homelessness. I used to be a relationship coach for eight years, which is part of the transition you mentioned building that company up twice and basically tearing it all down and starting over in a new way, which I'm excited to talk about. I got a book that I just wrote that's coming out soon, which I'm very excited about. I battled Lyme disease earlier this year and I'm on the tail end of recovering from that. I had chronic stomach pain for five years after my near-death experience, which was from an accidental overdose, and um had a deliverance and all the pain went away, and so there's so much that we could talk about. I mean, what do you want to go in that right like?
Speaker 1:so insane. Like every time you post something, I'm like people need to hear this, like this is the stuff that needs to go viral. I would love for you to even just talk about like let's start a little bit just with like kingdom influence and really talking about like even just you being in entrepreneurship, really coming into your journey, finding Christ, like I would also love to know what the testimony is there, like what's the tea? How do you find you? How do?
Speaker 2:you track you down. Well, so I grew up in the church. I grew up and I'm very blessed with that Shout out parents because wow, but I grew up in an evangelical Christian school and then I also grew up at Presbyterian church and so that was my world and they my parents never really like forced it on me. They didn't like fear monger me about hell, you know, they just showed me that path and I'm very grateful for that because I have a lot of knowledge of the Bible and scripture and had a lot of conceptual understanding of things. But then when I left high school, that was around the time when my ex-fiance left me for another man and so that put me in a suicidal depression, sparked my curiosity about love and relationships. The two relationships after her ended because they cheated on me and I was like what the heck's going on? That's what dove me into human transformation. I started following Tony Robbins and working for his events and did that for a time and in that opened me up to more of the energy healing, new age plant medicine, all the things. So I just went in exploring that, to work on bettering myself, and that spun me in that direction for about 10 years.
Speaker 2:And then that fast forward to about two and a half years ago. I hit the end of myself, like I had had that near death experience. So I was physically not well, I was mentally not well and battling a lot of depression and weird stuff. There. I had a relationship end that was two years long. That just wrecked me emotionally and kind of blindsided me, to be honest. And then I was also financially upside down. I had started doing car rental stuff on the side and some other things. Everything at the same time just tanked, like car rental stuff on the side and some other things, and everything at the same time just tanked. And that was the first time I was like I can't do this anymore, not like from a I want to eject life button, but like my will has run out. Like I looked around and I was like I spent 10 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars and all these mentors and traveling around and all these retreats and all this plant medicine and all this stuff. And look at my life. And it was just such a smack of reality.
Speaker 2:And I was couch surfing at the time Cause I gave my ex that place we were living and so there was a lot that, um, I was just lost, and so I started, you know what, let me go to church again. And, um, I was just lost, and so I I started, you know what, let me go to church again. And cause, a lot of my friends started going to church here in Austin and, um, I started hearing the messages differently, from a different perspective. I didn't really have resistance to it, it was just kind of like, you know, I again I grew up in it so I was like, yeah, cool, uh. But then I started actually realizing, oh, I never built a relationship with God or Christ before. It was conceptual understanding and knowledge and longer you know, it's a long story.
Speaker 2:But got baptized and then the spiritual warfare really cranked up, as it does right after. And then I had a deliverance a few months later and all the pain in my body went away, all the anxiety in my mind went away, and I actually understood what it meant to be born again. And I, shortly after that, god directed me to leave a relationship that I was in. That was the healthiest relationship I'd been in at the time and it didn't make sense. And then I was like, oh, love and relationship was on the throne of my life, not God, and so I had to rip my heart out of my own chest and leave.
Speaker 2:The Bible says about God as a judge, um, learning about the courts of heaven, learning about deliverance, learning about you know, going deep in all of those things and our spiritual gifts, um, prophecy all of it. And it's crazy because in that time this is over about a year all of my clients started coming to Christ or at least opening up to scripture for the first time or building a relationship with God in their own way, and a few of them, we had deliverance that I was fortunate to minister and I was like this is more rewarding than people getting tattoos of my logo on their side, which has happened before, like people have tattoos because of stuff that I did in a previous company, and so I'm like this is it? And then I got diagnosed with Lyme disease the beginning of this year and, um, you know, that was tough, just because it's like, okay, I gotta learn to slow down. I read a book called the ruthless elimination of hurry um, and it's a really good one if you are a workaholic, recovering workaholic like me, but basically it's like jesus never was in a rush, so why are you? Uh, and it's really great, but that, that that slowed me down and you know I kept asking God for peace.
Speaker 2:I was a chronic grade, a workaholic, always high energy, as I had a battle the caffeine addiction for 10 years. Um, it was rough and I tried to slow down and it wasn't until I read that book and got diagnosed with Lyme disease and I was like, oh, I have no choice but to slow down and so, quitting caffeine, dropping or detoxing my body, my capacity is nowhere near where it was, but I'm so much more present and connected than I ever have been. So it really is a blessing and thankfully I got the right support with it all. So it's clear now. Now, I mean, where I'm at in the current moment is like this business transition which we'll talk about, what that's going into. Also, my body is like nowhere near the capacity I used to have, because I used to be on stage with bodybuilding shows and I competed in physique shows and stuff. I used to be what? 40 pounds heavier muscle than I am now. Right, like the mind game that happens there too is crazy. It used to be a group fitness instructor, super high energy all the time, you know. So that's taught me a lot.
Speaker 2:But anyway, you asked about coming to Christ. I mean, that was really it, um, and now it's just really understanding what it is to walk the path, the narrow path, and actually follow Christ and walking in authority, knowing that we're co-heirs and what that actually means, and our identity and you, you. One last thing you mentioned kingdom influence, and I want to make this really clear that influence is not a fruit of the spirit. So influence is a calling. It's not a requirement, it's not meaning a measure of if you're doing it right or not, and it's almost something that is given to us right, like when I'm moving into, I didn't and I would never have chosen to do. I'm like, really, god, you want me to do this? Can we do something else? So that's how you know it's's a calling if it's, and it's God's will not my own, but anyway we could. I just I've been talking for a bit. That's a little bit of my story and all the stuff.
Speaker 1:I, I'm like, just take the mic, run with it, like, just like. The one thing that just like is so incredible. And it's crazy Cause I've talked to a few other entrepreneurs who've kind of gone through similar right. Not that everyone has the same story, but I even personally, with my clients, as I started to come to Christ, all of a sudden my clients same thing oh, I'm starting to read the bible again, I'm starting to go to church again, even without saying anything. And it's so crazy how there's this almost, this revival that's starting to break out and people are really starting to recognize okay, I, I'm at the end of myself. Like you said, I've tried all the things the plant medicine, the new age, all these different modalities. Why is it not getting me to that ascension? Almost I used to ask myself how many hours of meditation do I need to be Eckhart Tolle?
Speaker 1:That's what I used to ask myself and I tried so many hours I'm like it's not working, like there must be something broken. And you touched on so many, so so many good things, but what I actually really want to hear from you, because you have such an incredible testimony with this is when it comes down to spiritual warfare, like deliverance, like the demonic, and it's really crazy, when you start really looking at the Bible as a legal document, as a contract, and you start reading it as such, how different that starts to be. So first, like I want to hear from you when it comes to say somebody doesn't really know about this stuff, because some people listening to this are, I'm like, just starting to break up like self-help, the new age, all that.
Speaker 1:So when it comes to spiritual warfare, deliverance, like can you explain that a little bit in your own words, like what that is for you?
Speaker 2:Definitely so. This is actually what I'm moving into is being a deliverance minister and supporting people in discipleship. Now, I want to preface all of this by saying we don't want to make Satan more interesting than God. All this stuff is important and all of this is about love of god and love of christ. All right, so preface uh, while we're talking about the topics of the demonic, now that's why the discipleship stuff is important too.
Speaker 2:Um, so I didn't know, I had a demonic influence in me, right? The number one sign that you know it's demonic is that there's torment, which means your own willpower can't change it. Wow, so that's clear. And also, demons aren't like what's shown to us in movies. It can be very rare occasions, but sometimes, most of the time, it's mental, emotional patterns, life situation stuff. They can be in us. They can also be afflicting us around us, right? So those are. Those are things, too, that can be on assignment.
Speaker 2:Now, um, I like to use the word entity, sometimes cause. It's a little less like triggering than right, um, but entities, you know, are like parasites. So think if you have physical parasites and they're creating these sugar cravings in your body and you're like, oh, I'm craving sugar, I can't break my sugar habit. It's not you. There's something that's feeding on that desire. So, in in the same way, entities and demons create your own needs that you think are you and your own thoughts that you think are you, and that's the, that's the hook. Where it's they stay hidden If they can think that it's you and you're, and you're just fighting yourself and you're just trying. It's your voice that's saying that you're being, you're shameful and not enough, and blah, blah, blah. And it's something that you have to interwork yourself through, right, sometimes it's somatic, sometimes it's demonic. Either way, you need Jesus, okay. So I did go deep down the somatic route and that's. I still do that with clients. I'm still going to do that with clients.
Speaker 2:The mindset stuff is important to emotional processing, yes, and sometimes it's demonic. Now again, it's a. It's a scale of influence they they have over you, or control they can have over you, where it could be something as simple as a thought that creeps in every once in a while that you start coming into agreement with and you think that it's true, or it could, I mean, be like something takes over you where it's whether it's anger or in a relationship dynamic, where it could be like a push pull thing, or you're attracted. Who you're attracted to also can be influenced by that. So there's a lot at play here, okay. So that's number one.
Speaker 2:I also want to mention this as we go in to this conversation. To mention this as we go in to this conversation people who see it's we're all one and everything's love, see this conversation as living in fear because it's like, well, everything's one and you actually don't need like there's no separation. I see what they're living in because I used to be that as ignorant and dangerous. So I just want to note the perspectives here. It's important to just honor that, and I've done both and I have felt more empowered and free understanding the demonic than I did, thinking that we're just all one and and kind of like not looking at it.
Speaker 2:You know, when you, when you walk on the street, everybody, if you ask, is there evil in the world, everybody's going to say yes, but when you ask about God, it's what? What's that about? Right, okay? So, anyway, totally agree. So that's an overview of these things. Again, the biggest sign is torment, things like mental health disorders or physical illnesses, patterns that happen with your finances, patterns that happen in your love life. A lot of those things are demonic and they can have influence because of something that you did in your own life, which is called what's called an open door. You did something that gave them legal rights to torment you. Okay, it could be through your ancestors and your genealogy. They I think it's four years back says in scripture um, they, satan, can torment four years into the future, or four um, not years, I'm sorry Um generations.
Speaker 2:So, four generations back, four generations forward. So if you do something, four generations forward can be cursed from it. If one of your parents, grandparents, great grandparents, did something, there can still be torment in your life because of what they did. And until you call upon what Jesus did on the cross and nullify the old law hear what I'm saying the old way of doing things. It creates a new law. You call upon heaven on earth and you rewrite new legal documents. If you will, you put an eviction notice on the door and the thing can't torment you anymore. That's legal, legally, how it works. So it's not.
Speaker 2:I'm not gifted as a deliverance minister Cause I have superpowers. I'm praying over people. That's all I'm doing. But I just know how to. I know about the mnemonic, I know the authority of Christ given to me. I I know the authority of Christ given to me and if that person can repent or forgive, which is the two biggest internal holds that a demon can have If you're not repenting of a sin, or if you don't forgive somebody again, they'll stay. They'll keep tormenting. So that's why forgiveness work is so important. That's why repentance is so important and even confession right of just denouncing the sin. You step over the line if you will and you actually choose the new law that Christ came to bring into the world. So that's essentially how it works.
Speaker 2:I like to tell people that you know it's not anything to be scared of. Scripture tells us like we've been given power and authority over every snake and scorpion that walks the earth, and we cannot be harmed. This isn't something to be fearful about. It's something to have discernment about. What do you do that would invite open doors and then, recognizing that this isn't a I got to get it right game, this is a keep your eyes on Christ game, and he'll sanctify your heart.
Speaker 2:The work starts working you when you become a Christian. You don't do the work. It's not like oh, if I just didn't lust as much, if I didn't have as much greed and let me like, work this out of me. There is a level of willingness, and God's the one that sanctifies your heart. It talks about an Ezekiel, that he takes away your heart of stone and gives you a heart of flesh, and that heart of flesh makes you immediate to Christ, and that heart of flesh will revive the dead cities. You could see that as a metaphor for inner stuff. Right, so it's learning the new heartbeat and what it means to be a new creation, not a better creation of who you were. A new creation, which means Fully letting the old die. Now I'm going to stop there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, by the way, you can go as far and as deep and as savage as you want. There is no barriers, because I know some people are like, okay, how deep can I go on this? And I actually love that. You kind of mentioned too that it's not self-work, because a lot of people, I think that are going to be listening to this, have come from a place of, oh, I just need to be more disciplined, I just need to be more xyz and you know, I've even really had to minister to my people about this as well of you start reading about the fruits of this, the fruit of the spirit.
Speaker 1:Now, everyone wants to be more patient and more loving and more, but it's not about, oh, I need to be more loving. No, it's. You need to abide deeper in Christ and he'll produce the fruit. And I always like to explain it in a way of like what are you rooted in? Like a tree, because a tree is going to grow from accessing the water through its roots, and so the living water is Christ Jesus, and when that happens, the fruit will produce, and I just think that that's so important to recognize. Like you said, it's not about more, it's just about how close, are you abiding to Christ, because he will sanctify your heart for you. You don't have to do the work, right? It's not about that.
Speaker 1:But you mentioned open doors and I think that this is such an important thing to talk about, because I even recently was in a small group with my church and we were talking about that, because some people too, like we can talk about open doors and I think a lot of people are good at closing the doors, right, there's a lot of people who are like but I'm a good person, I do the right things, right, you know, like it's love and light.
Speaker 1:But what they're not recognizing is like you can close all the doors you want, but if there is still a window, if there is still like a tiny crack in your window in the upstairs bedroom, like it will come in. And I really think that there's a lot of like. Of course there's the big sins, right, more so that I'll say of like. Of course there's the big sins, right, more so that I'll say of like sexual immorality, murdering someone, right, if we really want to go super extreme. But there's a lot less conversation about the smaller sins, like you said, of like unforgiveness, pride, the self-righteousness, the jealousy and things like that. So I would love to know from your set point, when you talk about like open doors and especially through your experience of actually doing deliverance for the few of your clients that have like, what are the most common things that you see?
Speaker 2:The number. The most common thing is that open doors are normal in society. Yeah, yeah, that's the most common thing. The most common thing is people are like wait, that's bad. You mean, that's not normal. That's the most common thing, yeah. So here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2:Everything demonic has a benefit, until you wake up a few months later and you're enslaved by it. So good. So you know whether it's something like pride and shame, that can be very sneaky and hides um, self-serving right. Whether it's, um, uh, self-rejection. And there's a flip side of that Thinking very lowly of yourself. That's actually not alignment with scripture. Believing that's another open door would be believing something that's not in scripture about you. So believing an unholy vow or a lie, essentially, which is you're coming into agreement with it. Another thing so there's a lot of like mainstream stuff that's and again, I don't I really want to preface this I'm not, I'm not living in fear with this stuff. Y'all it's discernment and it's like what's going to keep me clear and free and it's invited. I'm inviting people into playing the game of life different.
Speaker 2:You don't have to uh, but it's. It's a different way to look at life. Now I wrote segue real fast. I wrote a book called perspectives. I'm very excited for it to come out September 30th 2025. Um, I got it right here with me. This thing is contemplative art, so it's poetry that I wrote poetic little snippets. I mean just flip to any page and you can see it's not like a normal, normal paragraphs and stuff that walks you through my mindset basically finding Christ. But I didn't never say that directly in the book. This was walking the new game. Playing the new game.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:And not having it be out of fear, not having it be out of judgment. This is going from understanding concepts of self, relationships and love and God from different perspectives, and just you know. Whatever perspective, yeah, as is it giving any answers. This is just something to sit with. Okay, I, I want to. I want to bring that up because in the book I talk about this, this concept, I'm going to flip to the page of change versus spiritual evolution. So this is where it's willpower versus your soul evolves, or you have, you know, deliverance or whatever. So if change is on the horizontal plane and evolution is on a vertical plane x, y axis okay, if I change, I can only. I can only change, I'm sorry, from left to right, horizontally. That's their free will you're locked in place spiritually though.
Speaker 2:So that's your thoughts, that's your actions you take. Your own willpower will change things. Now in the in the world, change looks like progress, and it did for me. For the longest time. It got rewarded massively because I was playing the game of the horizontal game. I didn't see the spiritual evolution game yet. So change of binge eating disorder to getting fit and counting macros all the time, for example, out of control to overly controlling You're still under the same influence spiritually and you're still on the same level spiritually. See what I mean. So good, okay.
Speaker 2:Str what I mean so good, okay, struggling with money, being greedy. You can be greedy, by the way, and not have any money. You cannot be operating greed and not have money because you're making money. You're God anyway. So going from greed to having a bunch of money, it's all still self-serving. You're still locked in greed. You're still on the same plane spiritually. Now the the thing with the spiritual evolution. Where is that in the book? Here we go. It's the next chapter. Um, it's something that happens to us and you have to die to yourself to be born again. So, horizontal shift versus vertical evolution. You can tell spiritual evolution by different home emotions, the patterns of thought and external reality, and you start to crave things in the unseen.
Speaker 1:You came up with this yourself.
Speaker 2:God. There's some times where I'm like, how the did I write that that's God so good, Can't keep going.
Speaker 1:So I'm like how the did I write that that is God so good, Can't keep going. So I'm just like mind blown over here.
Speaker 2:So again, if you're watching this on a video, the whole thing, the line goes up. So now you, now your free will changes to a higher level than it was before. But spiritual evolution only happens when we encounter truth, which I talk about later in the book is something that we don't have. Our truth changes us when we encounter it. It's not something that we have a preference for. There's your truth, which is true to you and your reality, but truth isn't always your truth, and I talk about that in the book too. So when we encounter truth, when we encounter Christ, when we encounter God, it changes us spiritually and that's where the work works us. And then it's we're playing a different game, spiritually evolution speaking, and that's where things like deliverance support.
Speaker 2:So what I'm moving into right I mentioned, I'm doing deliverance work, I'm doing ministry work and and discipleship is the word sorry and really helping people. Essentially, the mission is Christ said he came to give life, and life to the fullest, or some translations say, life more abundantly. And that means if you're not experiencing that, you're not operating in the promise. Amen. So that that means there's sanctification to do in your heart. That means there's inner work that you can do. There's. You got to get deeper with God, you've got to deliver some stuff around you or in your life, whatever it is, so that you can free up to live life, and life to the fullest. And so that's what I'm calling upon and that's what we're creating. I say weeks. I have a group of people I'm doing this with and it's really exciting.
Speaker 1:That's incredible and so needed. And I also like I just want to preface for the people who are listening to this, watching to this, et cetera Like when we, when we reference God, when we say, okay, there's something going on here, if you're not experiencing these emotions, if this isn't going for you, like very, very clear, we need to be like super. This is like bottom line. When we say God, we mean Christ, we mean Jesus. We don't mean source, we don't mean universe, we don't mean yourself, we don't mean the gods that you make up in your head of what you think God is. We mean biblical truth. What does it say in the word? So I'm like I got to clear this up, because everybody nowadays is talking about God Like bottom line. That is what we mean every single time we say that word.
Speaker 2:You know, what I find interesting, though, chelsea, is that when people have their preference for God and then I ask what their relationship is like to God, I can instantly know if they're talking about Christ or not, because a lot of people have opinions about God, but the people that have a relationship with God know Christ.
Speaker 2:Amen, that's so good, so I want to say that to people listening to this who might be that's so good. So I want to say that to people listening to this who might be wrestling with your religious constructs in your brain, or or you're still figuring it out like, just start praying, like build a relationship with god, and then, slowly, your soul is going to be like who am I talking to? And then it's, it's gonna, it's gonna work itself. When I had understood god as the universe which is a perspective to see god, because that's partially true um, I didn't have a relationship with him and so I was doing like my own way, right? So I, I want to.
Speaker 1:I wanted to start out that too, but yeah, no, I love that something that it says in proverbs that I always recognize too, and I'd love to even hear your perspective on this, because I also grew up in the church and it's so easy to grow up in the church. You hear what the do's and the don'ts, the, you know, the, the dogma of it, and then coming to Christ after and having relationship with Jesus, it's so different. And there was something I read in Proverbs and I don't know off off the top of my head what line, what verse, but it talks about how the fear of the Lord produces wisdom. And that hit me so deeply because it was that was what lifted the veil off of me. Nothing else could lift the veil from me truly being able to see truth. Until it actually was me starting to watch the Chosen. I was like Christ, curious, I'm like going into. I like, okay, I'll start watching the chosen. Everyone's talking about it.
Speaker 1:But it was through that process that I started to see Jesus as who he was, as his character, and I started to create the reverence and the awe and the full love, like you fall in love with him. And from that, all of a sudden, there started to be, oh, this makes sense now. Now I can crack open the bible and I can read it, and it's like that veil that's over our eyes, that we can't see what's going on right in front of us all of a sudden was lifted, and so I know that you also came up in the church. So I'd be curious what that is like for you, because you also talked a little bit about reverence in your first chapter of your book. So I'd love to know like what that was like for you having that torn off.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, I mean, like in in the beginning, like I said, I mean I I knew a lot of scripture and I memorized a lot of Bible verses, had a lot of understanding in that way, but I just really hadn't had. It was more conceptual, I think because of lack of life experience, I don't know, but I'd never really had an encounter with christ in that way, um, younger, and I think I just needed to go through life and certain things, right, really actually understand that. But the scales fell off after my deliverance. That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 2:I think before that, even though I was giving my life to christ, I started trying to walk the path I was getting baptized, all the things I didn't see clearly because of how much torment I was still in and how much suffering my physical body was going through and all the stuff with, like I had chronic gut pain, right, so like I was walking blind.
Speaker 2:I was even thinking about that. Today I'm like this whole thing can be summed up into one or two words, which is trust and faith. We're just. We're just walking blind, and the more that we trust God and have faith in God, in our, in our walk and our path, where we can be obedient, where we can use us to bring heaven on earth and I forgot where in the scripture it says this. But the only thing we can do to please God is have faith. Right, so it's I want to. I want to mention that, like yeah, my scales were lifted and I started seeing clearly, and there's still stuff that I'm wrestling with and there's still stuff that I'm like, oh, okay, I'll do it.
Speaker 1:You always know it's from God, cause you're like I don't want to do it, but I'll do it, cause I know you're putting all my heart, yeah, and that's actually the safest place to be is on assignment Right.
Speaker 2:If we're not actually safe or we're struggling in any sense, most of the time that can be a sign that we're off assignment from where God wants us to be, and there's certain times, you know, for him to take things away from us so we can learn lessons or tear down idols. But in short of it, yeah, when I, when I started lifting to see Christ in that way, it was for me cause I had a lot of the understanding of it. It was, it was having the experience of the shifts, and then it was also seeing and noticing the spiritual transformation that was happening inside of me, like again, like I started actually craving to be chill and not like super high energy, or I actually started to like rush feels like an absolute no, semantically to me. Now I can be urgent, but I ain't going to rush. And me a year ago, never, never, what the heck? Like I lived, rushed, hurried, like I was cracked out on cocaine all the time. It was wild, all right, I'm telling y'all. So, anyway, that's. It's like okay, this is undeniable.
Speaker 2:And then noticing the shift in my clients and noticing the shift in my friends around me, and it's that's another thing too that can be demonic is deaf and dumb spirits. So there can be spirits that can block your connection with God or for seeing clearly, and so that can also be something. Whether that's again inside of you, around you, it doesn't really matter. But they can torment you to block that connection. Where you won't hear God clearly, you won't see God clearly, you won't be able to have spiritual insight or discernment as clearly, and then that can be a stronghold for other things.
Speaker 2:So to go back towards the demonic conversation, like yeah, these things have it's called a stronghold or a strong man, where there's one spirit okay, that kind of kind of breaks through and then it just opens the door for everybody else. And if you start focusing on all the other ones, the door's still open. So you have to go where's the strong man, where's the one that came through? That's kind of covering spiritually all these others and that's certain perspectives on this. Within deliverance ministry is like the ranks of demons, whether you know, kind of like a, like a army ranks right, like actual ranking system, and so you go to the highest ranking demon that's sent on assignment and then when you clear that one, it's cast out all the others and that's also biblical. So when Jesus cast out the 5,000 or the legion of demons from the person and they all went to pigs and pigs drown and stuff, he was casting out the strong man in that and everything else left. Wow.
Speaker 1:So in your work starting to do deliverance, how would you pinpoint that? How would you find that?
Speaker 2:So it's a conversation with the person, because I'm praying over them, but they're still conscious, right, like, of course. So sometimes I ask this, sometimes very rarely, but sometimes I'll ask, I straight up, evoke the spirit and say talk to me, I command you right now, who are you, when did you show up in their life? And the person will just blurt it out, and then I'm able to like okay, cool, not anymore. So, and then sometimes I'm there's. There's also like, okay, it's better to usually start here and then go to here and then go to here, in terms of, you know, start with a cult and then start and then go to witchcraft and then go to sexual spirit. So that's, there's a general pattern for that. Sometimes I'm guided different by the spirit, but generally speaking there's a flow of how to do it. Um, and then also it's it's real time. Sometimes I'm like praying against something and they're like there's, there's nothing happening somatically or mentally. I'm like, cool, okay, that's not a thing. So then we go next. So when it's a deliverance session, that's usually what it looks like. If it's on the spot, out in the wild in life, you know, god just speaks to me and I just boom. And every, almost every time with deliverance that happened yesterday client I start praying over something that they've never told anybody before. There's no freaking way I could know that unless it was the holy spirit. Right, so it's. And I'm not just like praying against these things and the way that I do deliverance, I'm also infilling the holy spirit. I'm praying blessings over the person's life. I'm rewriting their and their genealogy, their, their ancestral line, their genome and their body, the renewal of their mind. I am wiping this weight clean and part of this, which is why it's so important and what I'm creating with the discipleship component you can't just get a deliverance and you're good Technically speaking.
Speaker 2:Yes, deliverance isn't just another plant medicine ceremony, and it's not just. Deliverance isn't just another plant medicine ceremony and it's not just another like Jesus, isn't just another healing modality. Okay, I want to make that clear too. Deliverance is a one and done deal unless you go back to your sin. So you have to have real repentance and understanding how to walk life in a new way and play a new game. Or scripture says that it'll come back seven times. So, yes, get deliverance, but really only if you are truly repentant and want to learn how to do life differently, and then that's why you know discipleship afterwards is so important, mainly understanding who you are in Christ when you've accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior. Who you are in Christ when you've accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior.
Speaker 2:You are now adopted, but it's not a legal adoption like we have on earth. It's a blood adoption where you are a new being and now you actually are blood heirs with Christ, next to God, and understanding the royalty and the authority that you have because of that is something that is not talked about in church, hardly ever, and that is, I think, one of the big things that I'm going to be really talking about is because when you can understand the power and authority of Christ through you and what that is, and then you actually die to yourself, now your will is God's will, god's will is your will, it's the same, but you have to die to yourself first. It's like the saying that God will give you the desires of your heart, but first he changes your heart. Yeah, and so the authority piece can be misconstrued, because if there's pride there, it'll be self-serving. Be misconstrued, because if there's pride there, it'll be self-serving.
Speaker 2:So we really have to continue to have repentance and sanctification and go to the altar and bring out your heart through fasting and prayer and being in communion with others, and in that it's the most humble power ever, because it's like it ain't you, but you're. You have authority then and and are are lifted up in the right time from god, and that scripture says that. So he will exalt the humble in the right time, or the righteous. I believe it says so. Our job, quote unquote is to grow in a greater intimacy with him and then he will produce fruit in us. And if it's in our path, he will have and there's different levels of influence, but he will give us influence. Why? Everything is so. That is a testimony for Christ and I want to make that clear too. Like it ain't about you, your life, your testimony, your business, your relationship, your everything is not about you. Your life, your testimony, your business, your relationship, your everything is not about you. It's actually to glorify God so that other people can see your life and go what's she smoking Like? What? What you got that I, what you got that I don't. That's why God's doing everything that he's doing.
Speaker 2:I mean, I was in scripture this morning and reading about Moses, and when God calls Moses, he goes. I was in scripture this morning and reading about Moses, and when God calls Moses, he goes. You know, go to Pharaoh and tell him let my people go. And he's like me. He's like yeah, I'll speak through you, just go. But what if the Israelites don't believe me? Throw down your staff, turns into a snake. Put your hand in your cloak. Your hand will be leprous. Do it again. You'll be healed. Like I'll give you signs and wonders. Pour out water and it'll turn into blood. Like the signs and wonders are what gets through our thick skull and our hard hearts to go. This, I can't understand this and it humbles us enough to go. There's got to be more than what I think and what I can perceive and what I have a preference for, and that gives the opening then to even a conversation about God or a new way. So that's why God does all of these things. It is to glorify him and have his way.
Speaker 1:Amen. That's so well spoken and something I love so much too that I consistently and you might have similar experiences. But even reading the bible, there'll be times where I'm like, oh, we're coming up on the bad guys, like something's gonna happen, like you're expecting like revenge and you're expecting like some, like just typical worldly, the way you would expect things to go, and it's been so humbling and so beautiful. Sometimes I just sit in my bible and weep because you just see, oh no, he didn't just walk one mile, he walked two, he didn't need to, but he did it just to show that extra humility and there's that upside down kingdom that happens. That, I think, is going to be such a beautiful piece of your work because it really does just start reclaiming, I feel, like Christians, back to that authority.
Speaker 1:Something that breaks my heart so much that I see very, very often, with a lot of people who are claiming Christ or claiming God, is, you know, you see a lot of people and you meet them and they start talking about Jesus and there's almost that feeling of well, I didn't know that you were a Christian, like everything in your life should point back to the glory of God and there's so many people who are living with right, the shame, the sin, probably demons, let's be honest. That isn't fully allowing them to have, as you said, that fullness, that full abundance of life. And so I just think what you're stepping into is so incredible, so beautiful. That deliverance work is so needed, because I myself know so many Christians who will say yeah, I'm a Christian, but you don't look like it, you don't live like it, you don't show the fruit for it.
Speaker 1:Right, and there's obviously, you know, so much work to be done in all of us. None of us are perfect. I'm not sitting here on my high horse, like I'm still. I'm still wrestling with things in the bible too, but I just think that's so incredible. I would love to hear, like, just because I know the authority is not talked about enough, the demonic, the authority, like what that actually means through Christ. I feel like a lot of churches hide away from that. So I would love for you to just like whatever is off the top of your head that you feel like nobody talks about, like I would love for you to just give it to us yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2:why does the path leads to destruction and narrows the gate that leads to eternal life, and few even find it. I think. Write that on your mirror and put that in front of your face, because if it's mainstream, that by definition is a wide gate, including modern day Christianity. I'm just reading this, I'm just reading the book. Okay, I'm saying what the book saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:When you look around, lukewarm Christianity is what is being talked about and preached. Christianity is what is being talked about and preached. Jesus loves you the end. Raise your hand If you want to accept Jesus into your heart and give some service hours. Be a nice human. Don't do these other things. That's not what Christ came to do. It came Christ didn't. Love is a part of his message, but it's not the message. He talks way more about bringing the kingdom of God onto earth than he does talking about just loving people.
Speaker 2:He talks a lot more about money too, by the way, which is a whole nother topic in the Bible scripture, talking about money more, almost more, than salvation, if I believe that's accurate. But because of the grip that money has on the human heart and how much power it can have over us. And part of how he can make heaven on earth is by ridding humans of greed, so that when we have money we can actually do things with it to progress humanity or to serve others. But you have to get. Greed is just accumulating for accumulation sake and being selfish about it. But when you truly have a heart of service, how much more is that going to be rewarded? But then you look around and you go oh well, they're greedy and they make a lot of money. How could God do that? They're still operating in natural law Doesn't mean that the law and how nature works and the laws of success don't stop. But how much more would God multiply the blessings on somebody that he knows is pure to pour into? So if we want to talk to entrepreneurs for a second, and people of influence, the idol of money, the idol of pride, has to be torn down. If you actually want to bring heaven on earth and if you want to be in service to the King, let God do it, give your business to God.
Speaker 2:When I gave my business to God, not to scare anybody, he tore it down. He transformed some lives and then he tore it down. And the second that I said I'm, I stopped relationship coaching. The next day, all the clarity came through for what I'm doing now, all of it, and I was wrestling with God for three years for clarity. Second, that I laid it all down and I also humbled myself. Where I didn't get off on hustle, culture and a full schedule and all that stuff, I had to slow down enough. And and where I see my business your, your audience is like entrepreneurs, right, okay, great. I see my business now as a garden, not a rocket ship.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's so good.
Speaker 2:If you're hurrying to get to Mars and building a rocket ship, that's going to be this thing Like think about that energy versus in a garden. All you have to do is be present and you'll know what to do. You know, pull some weeds here, oh, you need to fill the soil here, water it here, just spend time in the garden and then you garden. It's not like a to-do list when you're gardening sometimes, but like more so than anything, it's just being present. Right, and the same is true with your business. You're not the one that's going to make your business work. God is. You could do the exact same actions, take the same amount of calls, make the same amount of posts, get the same amount of messaging all the same stuff, and it worked and it not. God is the one that makes it rain. So our deal on that, our side of that deal, is to work clearly, and God's the one that makes it happen. But just because the work isn't producing money and the fruit that you, that fruit listen to what I'm saying that you think it should doesn't mean it's not working. The work is going to work you until the work works. Why? Because, as an entrepreneur, it's flowing through you. I've been doing this for over a decade, the more that you.
Speaker 2:Just, there's a parable, okay, and I forgot where this came from. I'm going to share this parable. So God shows to this man in a cabin out in the woods and he goes and man's wrestling with, like God, what do you want me to do? I'm here, I'm listening. He's not hearing from God. And then in a dream, god's like see that boulder out in your front yard. I want you to push against it. And so he goes. Oh, my God, I got all this clarity. Okay, I'm gonna go push against the boulder. And so he goes and he pushes with all his might, day after day after day after day after day. And then he starts getting like what am I doing? Was that really God saying that, like, this boulder hasn't even moved? I'm spending hours every day pushing against this thing and he's wrestling, but he still does it. A few months later, he's really down and like, angry at God, this thing isn't moving. Like, why did you choose me for this? Like what the heck? It's not happening? And then God shows up to him in a dream that night After he says he quits, he's not going to do it tomorrow. God shows up in a dream and he says I didn't tell you to move it, I told you to push against it. Look at how strong you are. Now Wake up in the morning and the boulder will be moved. The work works us. Showing up is pushing against the boulder.
Speaker 2:Your job is not to move the boulder. Your job is not to make money. Your job is to steward and push or be present with okay, all similar things. So stay consistent and stay present and stay on assignment. Being on assignment is the safest place you can be. You'll be provided for Any spirit of lack or spirit of worry financially.
Speaker 2:Listen y'all. I've been homeless, sleeping on the street before. I have had more months than I can count, not knowing where rent's going to come from. I beg for food, I beg for rent money. Guess what? I'm still freaking alive. At the end of the day, we're all just humans floating on a rock, curling through space. Nobody knows what the heck is going on.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what's the worst that happens if you lose money or can't pay bills? A miracle happens and you get money. You humble yourself and you ask for money. Or you humble yourself and you live with somebody else. You're still alive. You're still on assignment, you're still on mission and God can still use you, even in those lowly places.
Speaker 2:You don't have to have a social media following to have an influence. You have influence and impact based on you knowing who you are in Christ and walking in that authority. And everywhere you go, whether it's a coffee shop or a phone call or social media, you can have an impact because of your presence. And guess what? It's not your presence, it's God, and you Take the pressure off. His yoke is easy and his burden is light. It's not about you. So authority is understanding our royalty.
Speaker 2:If we we did not grow up in the kingdom, okay. So modern day. It's like if your dad was one of the wealthiest men on earth, okay, you grew up in a kingdom. We did not grow up in a kingdom, but then we became a king. Those who grew up in a kingdom were groomed to know their power and authority. We are shepherds, so to speak, who are just in life. Then, all of a sudden, boop life, and life to the fullest, and you're like I don't deserve that. Well, guess what? You're right, you don't deserve it, it's a gift. Oh my God. The worthiness conversation is so irrelevant. Stop worrying about what you're worth. Okay, you're actually not worth anything.
Speaker 1:Stop thinking about yourself.
Speaker 2:Amen, it's a gift. Okay, all of this is a gift. We're called a steward and if it's given, great, if it's taken, great. Read Joel, all right. Anyway, like tear down the idol of, of, of yourself in business and expecting money. When the money comes you'll steward it different, cause you have a different perspective, and it took me over 10 freaking years to learn that.
Speaker 1:So y'all get the cheat codes and you'll get even more. We just have to say in your book I literally was reading the first chapter I was like I got to chew on this, but it's funny that I said you want this. I got to like get into this before I have you on here. Like I got to see what it's all about. And one thing that you did say that I just like wanted to end this with that, because I also want people to apply it to this podcast too is you use this term spiritual bubble gum and I was like that is just so good. Like it's not here to give you answers, it's not here to give you solutions and, like you said, just being fully present with everything that people are saying and chew on this. Like I guarantee you people can listen to this podcast like five to eight times and get different things out of it every single time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just turn the fire hose on. I'm not sorry, but yeah, that's Don't ever apologize.
Speaker 1:I literally I prayed before this and I was like Holy Spirit, go before us, like you be my tongue, like you walk, like you make the whole thing happen for your will, whatever you want. And so, as you're just talking, I'm like I see you doing your thing Like fire.
Speaker 2:So spiritual bubble gum is? It's a metaphor, something to think about, where you just chew on gum and that's how you get the flavor. The act of chewing on gum is the point. It's not to get nutrients, it's to enjoy chewing on it and have flavor in your mouth and the sensation of chewing there is no end, meaning there's no point to it other than to chew it. That is the end, that is the goal.
Speaker 2:And the same is true with this podcast and my book. It's the art of contemplation and we don't have that today, because so many people are looking for answers and they see something that's said confidently on social media, that affirms some belief they have, and they go boom. Social media that affirms some belief they have and they go boom. Oh, that's it, and they accept it as reality. We're not thinking critically. We can't sit in uncertainty or unknown too long for some reason, like as a society and I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2:But be patient, Sit and figure it out. You don't have to know everything now to be safe. If you come from safety, if you come from authority, if you come from victory, there's nowhere to go, just something to be, and that's what you get to chew on. And you know, as I shared my brief story or overview of my story, it's like I just had to go through extremes of certain perspectives, of being an atheist, doing the new age thing, being born again Christian and understanding what that is like, all of these things, and God's just blessed me with that. I think part of the reason is I was before seeking an answer.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And now.
Speaker 2:I'm before seeking an answer? Yeah, and now I'm not seeking because I'm already found and I'm home and I'm safe. So what's there to do? Well, keep being present, be obedient and contemplate on things you know, like when you're not worrying about where your money's going to come from, when you're not worrying about physical illness, you're not worrying about relationship stuff and what's going to happen or not happen, the only thing to do is to contemplate God, which means you grow in deeper union with God, which means all the other stuff starts to happen. Oh, seek first the kingdom, and all these things will be granted to you. Okay, well, now it's starting to make sense.
Speaker 1:That's such a good breakdown. And even just going back to the garden, what you said there is, like your job is to water the garden. Your job is to do like you said be present with it, what does it need and you can show up for it. And in that, it's not your job to make the plants grow, it's not your job to produce the fruit. God will do that. Sitting there looking at it, staring at the ground, is not going to make it happen faster. It's not going to make your life easier. It's not going to change anything, right.
Speaker 1:He says in Matthew when has worrying ever added an extra hour to your life? It's paraphrasing. I probably butchered that, but it's so true. And so I just think that this is so beautiful to finish on, especially for entrepreneurs that are in the business world, because how business is being taught to us from a secular set point is the rocket ship, and it's such a beautiful way to bring it back to the kingdom of like it gets to be a garden and it just such a different perspective, which is the name of your book. So I do want to finish this by letting you do like a promo for your book. Tell us a little bit about it, like where can they get it? And also like where can they find you as well, Because I want people to just like send everyone your way.
Speaker 2:Awesome. So the heart guy on Instagram and then you can get my book at heart guycom slash book. It's also linked in my bio and then, if it's after September 30th, go to Amazon search perspectives. Kevin Crenshaw, I'd love to pray us out and I want to pray blessing over everybody listening to this podcast Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Holy spirit. Thank you so much for Chelsea and this podcast. I just and this time, thank you for everybody who's listening to this and recording, no matter when and time they're listening to this, and I just pray for an increase of your spirit in their life. I say thank you for who you are, what you've done, what you're doing and what you'll continue to do the things that we know about, the things we take for granted and the things we don't know about. Thank you that you are always working and our yoke and our burden is simply to rest in you and I pray for an increase of that rest and grace and peace in everybody's life. Who's hearing my voice right now.
Speaker 2:I say that thank you that this can translate and travel throughout time. I ask that any strongholds fall in the name of Jesus and any blind eyes open and see spiritually and the scales will just fall off. I pray that these leaders and these entrepreneurs, those willing and so hungry to leave an impact, god, that you would impact their heart, that you would shape them and forge them into the weapon of unconditional love so we can bring heaven on earth. I say thank you that you placed it in our hearts to be creators, to be leaders, to be entrepreneurs, because the world needs.
Speaker 2:The world runs specifically on business and the world needs more kingdom builders in business and leading the way, showing a new way and help us to to break away any chains of the old and the old way and help us to actually steward and have courage and authority and confidence to walk in, bringing a new way and a new way of doing business. Continue to allow us to humble our hearts and speak to us. Show us the way, show us what to do in our business day to day and help us to not walk in pride or our own understanding but in all of our ways, submit our will to yours, make our path straight, protect us, guide us and grant us the peace that surpasses all understanding through knowing you have your way. It's in Jesus' name that we pray, amen.
Speaker 1:Amen, thank you, thank you. It has been such a blessing to have you on this podcast. I cannot thank you enough. I'm sure it's not going to be your only time.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I thank you so so much.