EP. 12 - Let’s Talk About ANTM (Because Wow)

This week, we’re diving into the America’s Next Top Model documentary on Netflix — and let’s just say… it hits different now.

What once felt iconic and aspirational raises a lot of questions looking back. We’re unpacking the moments that made us pause, what we overlooked at the time, and how the show shaped our views on beauty, power, and identity.

A little nostalgic, a little uncomfortable—and very real.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Hello, Five Tribe. Hola. We are happy to be back. We hope that you all are happy that we're happy to be back. Everybody's happy.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Everybody's happy. It has been a great weekend. Awesome. So everybody happy?

SPEAKER_00 0:39

I'm glad that your weekend went well because I I I understand that it was a little uh little little shaky.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

It ain't going sliding into the weekend was problematic.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Okay. Listen, life is all about, you know, challenges.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

You know?

SPEAKER_01 0:57

And trying not to pluck somebody's eyeballs out.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Which can be a challenge on any given Sunday. But you know, the the weather has been wonderful these days.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

The mood. I think that's the vibe. Are we gonna do a vibe check? We are okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Does it have something to do with the weather? It does not.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Well, I I don't know, it might. But um anyway, we hope that you all, our vibe tribe, are doing well. As you all can see, my hair is not done again this week, and Sherry's is. Um, but anyway, uh, so yeah, what what um let's get into our vibe check. Okay. And so the vibe check, uh, and this is based on a conversation and a video that I saw uh this week.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

What is your feeling about bonnets and pajamas outside of the house? Which go ahead. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Can be an episode, but go ahead. It could be an episode because I saw a woman in Panera with a bonnet, her pajamas, her slippers, and the robe, and I took a picture of it and I said, seriously.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Not you took a picture of it. I did it.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

I did it because and I sent it to my kids, like, what? And a few good girlfriends. I was like, what was happening? However, my daughter, always cheering for the underdog, she said, Mommy, you don't know what it took to get her out of the house this morning. She said she may not have been out of the house in the last three months, and all she could do was get up, roll out of bed, and go to Panera, and that could have been a big step for her today. I said, Well, that's not fun. I would I wanted to be like, why she got that on? You know, but no, my daughter checked me real quick.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Yeah, you know, there are all go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

The noise you hear is a dog.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

He is hot with Sherry because she didn't let him go outside to attack another dog. Not attack, he wouldn't have attacked the dog.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Oh, okay. Well, let me know. And and the man is still standing outside with his two little dogs. He knows my dog don't like Bentley. So hopefully he'll calm down soon. But if you hear it in the background, just ignore it.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Just ignore it.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Yes, but uh continue.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Yeah, you know what? There are all types of opinions around this topic, and you know, from time to time it resurfaces on, you know, social media and what have you. And um, you know, it the I think the varying opinions are generation based.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Has to be because I am a definite no. Do your hair and put on some clothes. And put on some clothes, like it's not if you could put on pajamas, the same energy it took to throw on some pajamas is the same energy it takes to put on a t-shirt and some leggings.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

Yes, and you know, we are very much from the generation of you know, um putting effort into your appearance, caring about your appearance when you go outside.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

And so even now I will spend the hour, hour and a half trying to make sure she's gonna make sure it is just so because it always frames her face perfectly. So that's a good 45 minutes right there.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Well, but I'm just saying that you know, I think younger generations definitely uh feel differently about it. Obviously, and not and not only the bonnets, but the the pajamas, like for, you know, you see uh people in the airport with these bonnets and pajamas, their favorite blankets, and it's like we're you know, we're traveling and people used to wear suits and dresses and heels in the airport, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

What is happening? And I I usually try and side with the younger generation, be like, oh, you sound all old, and you know, that's not what's going on now. But I I have to I I have to stand on the side of my generation with this because the bonnets, and then the the fact that men and women wear bonnets, I kind of giggle about that one because I saw this couple and they were in love and they had on matching bonnets, and I said, now isn't that cute? I did say that. I said that because that was funny and it made me giggle, but yeah, they had on matching bonnets.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Well, so yes, and there's a whole nother uh conversation that's attached to that, which is you know, things that once upon a time you only saw women do that um men now do. Um to that end, we are going to leave that there and put a pen in it. Or not. We might just leave it there.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

We are not revisiting that topic at all.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Correct, because we love everybody.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

We do. I mean, like honestly. I mean like we're just we're joking now, but that's that's real talk.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Absolutely. Um, so you all let us know what your thoughts are. I we we are curious to know what your thoughts are about uh bonnets and PJs um outside of the house. Slippers and robes. Um yeah, the whole thing. So anyway, um today we wanted to do a review of the American Next Top Model documentary. Uh we, you know, it it it there have been so many conversations, so many opinions about everything. And so we just want to give ours as our opinions are important as well.

unknown 7:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

And so you watched the documentary?

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Not only did I watch the documentary, but I was a fan of America's Next Top Model. Oh, okay. No clue all of that stuff was going on behind the scenes because I'm not into social media very much, especially back then. Really? Tell us more. And so if there was talk about it back then, I just I had no idea.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

But social media really wasn't bad, it wasn't that big of a thing.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

I mean, it was just in its infancy, right? But I love that show. Really? I did. I I love any show where people are pursuing their dreams. Oh, okay, because I was about to ask you what what aspects of it. Yeah, just pursuing their dreams. Like, you know, people feeling like this is my my shot and how they show up for that. I find that so interesting because some people rise to the occasion and other people figure out a way to sabotage themselves. And so I really like watching that whole thing. Now I didn't know there was a whole crew of people helping the contestants sabotage themselves or you know, or right, implode. But um, yeah, from the outside looking in, it's just it's fascinating. Yeah, I this dog is driving me nuts. Uh-oh. And he now he's talking about me. He's saying you driving me nuts too.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Right. So I can't say that I was a fan of the show, but I did watch like a couple of seasons of it. Like I watched the season um that Eva was in.

SPEAKER_02 9:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Uh, which it I think was the same one that Takara was in.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

I don't remember names, but she was the the first plus size. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I remember her. But was Yaya in that um, I don't know if she was in that season or the one with Danielle, the one with the gap. I I you know, because I watched all the seasons, they run together for me, but yeah. Oh, okay. They had, I mean, she had some stunningly beautiful women on that show, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Um, you know, of all hues, all races, colors, shapes, sizes, the whole nine. Oh, however, so we'll get into that. We will get into that. So you um, you know, were a fan of the show. Were there elements as you watched from season to season, you know, were there elements of the show that caused you to kind of look at yourself and maybe judge yourself or feel like you needed to look a particular way um as a result of the show?

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Um, not really, because these were 20, 18, 19, 20-year-old girls, and I was a woman with my own children, and you know, so there's just no comparison between the girls pursuing that dream and me. And, you know, I was my children were young, so I was in the throes of things. I was good not to put a bonnet on and leave my house with my pajamas on because you know, having small children in the house, or even, you know, elementary school age, it was just it was a lot.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

So yeah. But do you think that the show played a part um in this whole culture of wanting to be skinny? And I thought she was doing just the opposite.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

I thought that she was because she had like a plus size woman, she had a plus-size show. She had short, like a season with shorter models on it. I mean, so it seemed like she was doing things to break through and and shape things up in the industry. And then she'd come out of her mouth with some crazy stuff. And so it was just like, but I was all wrapped up. I didn't, I didn't zoom out because I was watching the episodes. So I didn't zoom out to be like, wait a minute, she's being a bit hypocritical here. I just was like watching the show and rooting for the people I was rooting for.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Okay. Yeah. So you you kind of answered this question about your thoughts about the feedback, because you know, there was Janice Dickinson. Oh, she was brutal.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Yeah, and looking like she didn't need to be saying anything to anyone, especially those beautiful young ladies. I mean, you know, I'm all about aging.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah, there did you feel that there was an element of hazing?

SPEAKER_01 12:12

You know, I would not have characterized it like that. Um like even now, or especially after watching the the documentary, yeah, I would I would definitely consider it to be hazing, but back then I would not say it's brutal, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:30

It won't go away. But you you didn't um you then right because you were in it. You you said that you didn't like kind of zoom out.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

And I was thinking about it in terms of oh, they're trying to make for good TV. Um, and this is you know, I wasn't sure if they were if it had anything to do with editing. And so the way that they were editing the show made it seem worse than it really was, you know. So there's all of that kind of stuff that you really don't know. Right. But the behind the scenes thing was, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

It made it pretty. I finished watching that documentary with a little stomachache because I was like, these people were pursuing their dreams. And then, which is a very positive thing. It's it's courageous, it's bold, it's you know, it's all those positive things, and then they just turned it and made it something really negative, or at least that's the way it seemed in the documentary.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Yeah. Um, you know, I'm I'm curious in terms of well, first of all, let me just ask you, you know, during the documentary, you know, everyone sort of spoke about how they felt um how, and I guess, and or if they felt any responsibility for, you know, the things that had gone on during the show, even the way that you know the judges were speaking to the um the contestants and all of that. So that was a whole interesting thing because you know, people tend to uh get real crafty with words when it comes to owning, you know, their actions and what they did. So I'm curious to know your opinion on how Nigel uh and the Jays. Yes, and the J's uh first showed up.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

I thought we were just gonna jump into Tyra. Oh, we didn't jump. We'll go with Nigel and the J's. I had less of a reaction to how they positioned themselves. I mean, they I think because there was such a stark difference between how they were addressing their role in it. And and Tyra's like, oh, I had no idea. Oh, it was so-and-so's fault, oh, it was so-and-so's fault. Oh, well, I talked to them and they seemed fine. You know, it was and they acted, they didn't, they never came out and said it was someone else's fault, but they were almost like we were helpless, there was nothing we could do about it. Yeah, like they were never around production, right? Or they didn't have a voice, and maybe they felt like they didn't have a voice because the money was good, I'm assuming. Like, you know how people don't speak up when they don't want to lose their job. Well, that's true, and so you know, I don't know how good the money was. They didn't talk about how much they got paid or anything like that, but it was better than what they had been getting, I'm sure. Especially after that first season when they realized, oh, we have a hit on our hands, they probably negotiated better contracts and things like that. So they were they were probably living pretty well, yeah. And for that time, for that time, and they didn't want to say anything because they didn't want to mess up their money, but they were just so I so I I can I can appreciate that a little bit. Yeah, because there's stuff going on in my job that I probably should say something about. Oh, but I gotta pay my bills. So nothing to that disagree, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you you you're gonna make sure you can feed your family.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

Yeah. I I feel like the judges, you know, they have been making their rounds to this show, that show, or whatever, or or have been invited, I guess. Uh, because everybody wants to hear, you know, their perspective. It's not, oh, I played a part in X, Y, and Z. It's the the common uh statement that I keep hearing is everybody needs to take responsibility for the part that they played in it. So, you know, it's no individual that I've heard, um, including Tyra, that has taken responsibility. Because, you know, there's this whole situation with the young lady Shandy. Is it Shandy? Oh, yeah, that was bad. That was terrible.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

That was really bad.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Yeah. And so, um, which apparently, you know, from what I understand, production was involved in that, like inviting those um Italian models to, you know, it was a mess. But um, so yeah, even from the the three judges, I didn't uh hear anything specific in terms of ownership. So then what about Tyra?

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Tyra, well, I I mean, to your point though, I I think that everyone said, Oh, yeah, we we could have done better, but no one was like, I was wrong for that. Exactly. I was wrong for that. That young lady was sexually assaulted, and that was just that was horrible.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Yeah, it really was. And then she Tyra did an interview with her on a show on her talk show and was like, it's like, girl, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Well, I think I I think that you could have said, or one could say, oh, that was her fault because she drank too much and was not aware of what was going on. But if there are adults in the room, and clearly she's a young girl, she had to be of age to be drinking, right? But she's still, yeah, and I'm not gonna have to be on the show. At least, well no, they had young girls on the show, didn't they? I felt like 18, but you still have to be 21 to drink. So assuming she was 21, okay. But that's someone's child, and I didn't really even care about the boyfriend. Who was protecting her? And and young ladies make poor choices all the time when there's no one around. But if there's someone around, we've got to look out for our girls.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

There was a question of how the models, the male models, got in there anyway. Right. And you know, somebody, I don't know who mentioned that uh production was like, oh, well, let's invite the um guys in here, which you know was irresponsible.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

Um it was just there was just irresponsibility all around for the sake of the show, they were doing things to people and allowing things to happen to people for ratings. That's yes, inexcusable, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

So what did you um I what I found interesting was how Tyra showed up, first of all. Why are you in a trench coat like that? And she looked drugged.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Didn't she say she said she was talking like this? And she it was it was almost as if she had the questions um given to her ahead of time and a publicist or somebody, or maybe she used Chat GPT, I don't know, but she it was as if she had scripted her responses and she was reading a teleprompter. Oh, I'm sorry. It was it was I have never, especially the topics, there was no emotion at all. So she was either drugged or she was like reading a script because you know she ain't the best actress. So that's a very poor performance of a script she was reading. It was how do you talk about topics of what Shandy went through, what the what the woman Danielle went through with the gap, and you know, all of these devastating things, no emotion, no emotion at all, even defensive.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Danielle had some words for it, but um Danielle was like, look, yeah, I I would agree with you. Um, and I remember the guys saying that initially when this whole documentary thing uh idea came about that Tyra wasn't supposed to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Oh, she was just the brainchild.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

A part of the documentary.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

And then I think she um somehow, I don't know if she reached out or and you know, she became she ended up being a part of the documentary. But yeah, I she just didn't I don't know who her publicist is. I don't know who advised her on how to show up, but you know, it it just was not a good.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Look, it was not a good look at all. It was, and what what made it worse is that she literally blamed everybody else. As if if this is your brainchild, this is your baby, you took it from concept, you had a vision of what you wanted to do with this thing and kind of break down some old you know ways and be innovative and all of this stuff. And then at the end of the day, you're gonna be like, there's nothing I could do about it.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

I'm just the I'm a victim too. But was also interesting is to hear what other black female hosts have to, you know, had to say. The one that I heard, um, and I'm not gonna call any names, but she was coming from the perspective that she knows how it is to be uh to work with production, you know, on these um these television shows, you're gonna get me in trouble. And that, you know, Tyra was the creator of this idea that created this platform where these young women could pursue their dreams. Several careers catapulted from you know the show and uh just sort of highlighting, so it's a double-edged sword, really. And when I've heard interviews from some of the um the folks like Eva and Takara, they didn't they weren't in the documentary though, Eva didn't show up in the which is interesting. Yeah, that's another interesting point that the producers didn't reach out to any of the black uh females who were on the show. Not they that made it, which is which is interesting. So it to me it it it says that the the angle was to you know make her look like she ended up looking. So their goal goal was accomplished, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

That that could be that that could be, or they did approach them and they were like, I'm not messing up my money, and they took the route of the people on the show at the time. Like, I'm not messing up the bag, I I don't have anything to say, it worked well for me, and I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. And they may tell their good good girlfriends a totally different story, but they're not gonna come out publicly and mess up their money.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

That's a good point. All of it is just very interesting. And um, Tyra, in terms of how she showed up on the documentary, and then also just seeing her um, you know, now and some of the stuff that she's doing, uh, how she's appearing or or showing up on social media is is kind of what is she going through? I don't know. That that's just in Australia, and she just seems weird, and she has this hot ice cream uh something or another. I don't know. Which I'm a fan, because you know I love me some ice cream, but you you no, I I know that, but you like cold ice cream. Oh, it's literally hot ice cream. I feel like it's like some type of hot ice cream or warm ice cream or something. I don't know. We'll have to follow up on that.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Yeah, I don't know about the hot ice cream because then the other girl said, Oh, Tyra was kind of biting off of her because she had she owns an ice cream shop. But yeah, I thought it was regular ice cream.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

I don't know, but that was a bit much. And what about Miss J?

SPEAKER_00 25:38

Yeah, that I I I don't to me the fact that you worked with these three judges um for all of these seasons so closely, and she it seemed like, well, it seemed like she she had she was very fond of all three of them. Yeah. Um, but there seemed to be maybe perhaps a closer relationship with um not Miss Jay. Miss Jay is the one who had the stroke, right? Right. And then there's Jay Manuel, right? Who um, you know, she treated some type of way. Yeah. But I think it's awful that she did not, you know, go see uh Miss J, you know, in the hospital after having the stroke or whatever. It's just like, what is going on with you?

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yeah, I don't I don't get that. I mean, unless the relationship wasn't what they thought. I mean, they Miss J thought that it was one thing and it really wasn't. Maybe it was for him and not for her. I don't know. But well, clearly. Clearly. Yeah, poor fella. But then but then to have a stroke and not, you know, lose the ability to walk and all of that stuff, and the and what he did and how he taught people how to walk in.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

That was that was taught her, yeah. So the relation there had to be some type of um relationship.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

If not for him, she wouldn't be who she is. And that'll get you to the that'll get you to the hospital to just say thank you.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

At a minimum. At a minimum. Send some flowers or something and say I'll see you soon.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Or I mean But didn't she send him something and he said but and it said see you soon, but she he said he was still waiting on.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Was it a text?

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Tacky.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Do better. That's just unfortunate. And then how she treated Jay.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Like and just totally because that's one of the things I hate most in the whole wide world is to be ignored. I know. I do not like that. Because just say I don't want to talk to you or something, or I ain't fooling with you. But I just uh that whole ignoring thing is just not cute to me. And how are you gonna be on set with somebody, ignore them all to be damned, and then turn around and say, Jay, what do you think about yeah? I was just like, see, that would have made me want to pluck her eyeballs out.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Yeah, it's just like you may as well just stay on that train of ignoring. Please, and thank you.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

There was this photo shoot that they were doing, and there were these, there were these guys, like oh, the that one, and where the guy was like all pressing up against her and all that touching her and stuff, and gripping on her thigh, and she didn't she didn't want that, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:36

And this is a perfect example of even those three judges cannot sit up there and say, because this was a photo shoot, right, Nigel, right, and you you have children, you have a wife.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Would you want somebody groping on your wife like that? Yeah, I felt like they just didn't protect these girls at all.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

At all. Um, but I also wonder where the so these young ladies were like 18.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

At least, yeah. I don't I can't remember if they were any younger than that. Okay, but yeah, 18 and over, we'll say.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

Because I was about to say, I wonder where the parents were and the male models, I think they were like African male models or whatever, and had on a little moine cloth.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

And she complained about how he was, you know, being aggressive with her, roping her, and all of that.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

She couldn't win because she was trying to tell them this man is being inappropriate, and she tried to stand up for herself, and they were like, Oh, well, you should get physical to get him off, get him up off you. Right. And then if she had done that, they would have been like, Well, why are you doing that? That's unprofessional. So she was in a no-win situation. Yeah. I'd be interested to see the contracts that well, they were getting wavered waivers around what they're the waivers. Because they were giving what $35 a day to eat, they give them $40 a day. Sometimes it depends on the season, and then they'd have to give that money back when they were ordering food and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it it's just so much and too much. It's too much for a show.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Yeah. It's it's too it's too much. And then the the hypocrisy, you know, telling these girls they're too big, but then you're trying to fight against the industry standards of, you know, and and endorse plus size models. Well, which is it? Right. Are you too big or you not or not?

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Yeah. I feel like, and I'm not blaming the show solely for this, but when I think about, you know, what I see on social media now and the filters and, you know, people listen, do what you want to your body. I don't care. But, you know, getting the fillers and the lips and the face and the, you know, and the fake boobs and the BBLs and all that. I mean, boobs are okay though. What you mean? I mean, I could have stood a few size or two.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Oh. I don't have it, clearly, but I mean But I always said I would. I just didn't think it was worth the money.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Really?

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

Yeah. Oh, okay. I mean, I couldn't I don't I had never investigated. I never looked into it, investigated it or anything. That and a nose job. Oh. So you see, I need to become I think based on the botch jobs that I've seen, not the show, but real real in real life, yeah. That I, you know, in my mind or my go-to is see, you just should have left it alone.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

I I mean, I I totally understand breast augmentation because if you don't have anything, it it affects how you your self-image.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

You know what I mean? So Yeah, you know, I I just feel like I probably need to um be less critical. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

No, no, I don't mean that towards you. I just mean that in general.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

Uh because, you know, you just never know, you know, what people look like. I I some of these young ladies out here, some of the older ones who look crazy, you know, I just kind of feel sorry for them because it's like, what are you going for? Like, what what exactly are you going for? Because you've gone too far.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

You can go too far. You can absolutely go too far. Like the whole big old cheek things, and then the lips like this. This is not cute.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

I hate it.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

This is not cute. At all, at all. But um, you know, I I had asked the question at the top of the show, but you you you um answered it in terms of you know, if you felt like the show played a a role in this whole culture of enhancement. Actually, it's not even enhancement, it's like takeover.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Yeah. A redo. Yeah. And then the the body dysmorphia, is that what it's called? That's that's real.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

So it's just it's tragic. It's almost like we don't know what to do with our money. Like go and, you know, start a phone a farm or a foundation or something. You don't need to do all that.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

But I think even beyond that, what is going on with you? Yeah, well, that there's that. Like, yeah, I mean, I don't know. To me, it's it's um and and I'm just speaking generally. I'm not saying in every case, but in a lot of cases, there there's something that in my mind can be tapped into to m help you understand why you feel like you need to do this.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

I think you should have to go to uh therapy before you get that done.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

That would be good.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

Yeah, because people because then a therapist has to sign off on it and say, yeah, yep, they're doing it for the right thing. Yeah, she's crazy. Go ahead. Or like y'all go ahead. Or the therapist could be like, she really needs it.

unknown 34:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

There is not much hope for her, let like, or him. So, you know, I think that would be that would be good.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Yeah. Well, anyway, um, did you have any other thoughts? Nothing else.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

I I no, I think the show was just upsetting.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Yeah, yeah, and I'm wondering if Tyra will uh look at it and then maybe come back with, you know, some type of explanation or some type of um, I don't know, I've watched this, I now see how I look, I understand, I've gotten feedback about it, and this is how I think about it now.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

That's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

So you all let us know what your thoughts are. I'm sure that uh 95% of the world has seen the documentary, and so we'd be interested to hear what you all uh um thought about it. Um, all aspects, how the judges showed up, how Tyra showed up, and just different elements of the um of the show and the documentary. And to that end, remember that we are on We Everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

How about that? We just look for us, we there.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Everywhere where you get your podcast. That's where we are. Everywhere. All right, well, until next time, we look forward to hearing from you all, but we will see you on the next episode. Thank you for joining us for this episode.