Bite Marks w/ Daniel W. Kelly

Queer Horror: A Film Guide creator/co-editor Sean Abley and O.G. contributor Daniel W. Kelly of Boys, Bears and Scares, dig their bear teeth into Mark Bessenger's gay vampire indie, Bite Marks. 

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Queer Horror: A Film Guide - The Podcast is a 30 minute deep(ish) dive into a classic (or not-so-classic) horror film found in the 500-page encyclopedia of genre films with LGBTQ content, Queer Horror: A Film Guide. Each episode Sean Abley, creator/co-editor of Queer Horror: A Film Guide, asks one of the contributors to pick a film they wrote about for the book that deserves even more queer analysis. Guests include co-editor Tyler Doupé, contributors Calpernia Addams, Daniel W. Kelly, Brian Kirst, Michael Varrati, and special guest Heather O. Petrocelli, PhD.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Hi, welcome to Queer Horror, a Film Guide, the Podcast, where every episode the Oh no, my microphone is in my beard. This is gonna be some great outtakes. Okay. Hi, welcome to Queer Horror, a Film Guide, the Podcast, where every episode the editors and the contributors to Queer Horror a Film Guide pick one film to do a 30-minute deeper dive. I'm Sean Abley. I'm the creator of Queer Horror Film Guide and one of the co-editors. And with me today is the OG contributor to Queer Horror a Film Guide, Mr. Daniel W. Kelly. Hi, Daniel.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

Ah you made your own crowd noise.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

I love it. My own crowd noise. You were telling him a story before we started recording about your media room, your Dan Cave, Daniel Cave. Please tell it again. Like I asked Daniel, I'm like, you're married, right? Because of course I'm now finally seeing his collection, which is enormous and an entire room dedicated to it. So I'm like, I'm also married, and I also have to negotiate these things. So I asked him, like, how did this come to be that you have an entire room in your home? And Daniel told me.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Well, you know, it's also I he is an antique collector. We're like the perfect pair because I'm into all the modern pop culture stuff and he's into all the antique stuff. So our house is this weird blend that somehow works. But when we were shopping for a house, I we told our real estate agent, we need a room for dance music and movies. And she took us from one house to another, and we every house we'd be like, no, there's not enough room for dance room. No, that this one doesn't work. This one isn't and finally we came to the system ranch house, and the basement just you know runs the length of the ranch house, so it's very long. So then it was like, this is gonna be perfect. We set it up over a course of a few months, and then the real estate agent came to visit, and she stepped downstairs and she went, Oh, now I get it. Because she didn't really understand the vastness of it. I mean, it's between CDs, vinyl, and DVDs and Blu-rays and stuff, it's I would say 20,000 pieces. Wow. And on top of that, it's all my, you know, we used horror geeks. We have all our little chachkas and I have all the things from when I was growing. All my Star Wars toys, they're still here. All my all my things are in perfect condition from when I was a kid because I didn't let any other kids touch my stuff. So people like see my Star Wars toys from 1977. They're like, You were eight. How are these in such great condition? I'm like, because I didn't let any kids touch my stuff.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

I'm also a collector, but I had to make the choice that I was going to collect only books, because otherwise my life would become unmanageable. And so I, you know, no more toys. I got rid of most of my physical media, except for the stuff that I really care about. Of course, I did that, and then six months later, all the streamers started going under. And the whole myth that everything would be available online forever in perpetuity was, of course, uh just that a myth. And we found that out the hard way. So now I'm slowly but surely buying it all back again. Under the watchful eye of my husband, who is would live in that room on Absolutely Fabulous, where Adina goes to visit her old college pals, and the flashback is them in the white room with no furniture.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

And my husband and I are both big book collectors. And I used to I worked at Farnoble for five years in the 90s, then I went to St. Martin's Press, then I went to Double Day book clubs for nine years. So we have a dedicated library, but every other room, there's a there are at least one bookshelf that books on it.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

By the way, listener, if you hear um what sounds like a weird animal crying in the background, that's just my cat asking for attention, and he does it every day. Just ignore him. He's pretending that he's not the most well-treated cat in the universe. All right. Well, we're not here to talk about my, you know, animal problems or Daniel and my hoarding problems. We're here to talk about a movie. Daniel, what movie did you choose for us to uh do a deeper dive on today?

SPEAKER_01 3:49

This one we're gonna go with Bite Marks. And it's by director Mark Bessinger, which I think I think we both know him.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Yeah, he's a friend. We can literally say that he is a close personal friend of both of ours.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Another one who I met originally at Bentcon. We were everybody was there that year. It was great yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Right. For those that don't know or or are are maybe um wistfully remembering, uh Bentcon was the queer, I mean, I think it was came out of comics, but it was basically just the pop culture, queer pop culture convention that happened for a couple years in the Los Angeles area.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

Two years, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Yeah, sadly went away. Uh well, tell us about uh bite marks. What what happens in bite marks?

SPEAKER_01 4:26

In a way, it's like Fright Knight meets Salem's lot because, well, first of all, Stephen Jeffrey, who played um the best friend in Fright Night, Evil Ed, and then went on to Evil Ed, and then he went on to become a porn star. He gets a has a role in this movie. He plays, he's in the first scene, and he gets attacked.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Oh, the spoil spoilers, you have to let everybody know he gets backing up, take a time machine before he Daniel just said that, and know that there will absolutely be spoilers in every episode of this show.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

So Stephen Jeffrey, his character, gets attacked at the beginning. He's a truck driver, he goes to pick up his truck and he gets attacked because he's supposed to be delivering coffins, and he hears something in the back and he opens it up and apparently he gets attacked. His boss calls his brother, who was a truck driver but has lost his license. But somebody's got to do Stephen Jeffrey's job. So they convince the brother, who appears to be straight because he's having sex with a woman in a hotel room, he's having performance problems. So he takes the truck, and in the meantime, we meet two other characters, Vogel and Carrie. And Vogel is played by a young man, handsome young man, cute cutie, named David Allenson. And the thing about him, a pop culture thing about him, was he was on Below Deck. The first, I think the very first season, he was one of the guys on Below Deck, and he was dating very well-hung porn store Trevor Knight. He he has a little bit of a a gay history, and um he was also in vampire voice too, so he's done some gay stuff. But he and his boyfriend, they are hiking, they're trying to fix their relationship because their relationship is not doing well. And luckily, the guy driving a truck, his name is Brewster, which is important. Um, he picks them up. And Vogel realizes he's the more sexual one. He realizes that he wants to he this guy's cute and he wants to taunt him. So he keeps doing things to make the supposedly straight guy, Brewster, notice that he's gay. And his boyfriend Carrie is in the closet about it. Like we don't want him to catch on, we'll or we'll lose this ride. But anyway, they get to where they're supposed to be going. Um well, Brewster, the guy driving the truck, he goes off to go pay. And while he's doing that, the two gay guys hear the the banging. So they open the truck door and they see one coffin, but there's supposed to be five. Brewster comes back and he sees only one and he doesn't understand why. Then the gay guys get distracted and they go off, and he looks back in and he sees the five coffins again. And then he looks back in again after checking his little sheet of how many coffins he's supposed to have, and he only sees the one coffin and now it's open. So pretty soon the guy, the gay guys first are being terrorized by these very sh hot, shirtless vampire men. It's really funny. They they get stuck inside the truck. It's like a cujo situation. They're trapped in the truck, and uh, there's a Bible in the truck, so they use the pages of the Bible and they paste it all over the windows uh to keep the vampires out. But of course, you know, they're they can't stay in the truck, so they eventually all get out of the truck for one reason or another, and they're fighting these vampires outside. But it turns out this the vampire, there's only one vampire. There's one vampire, but she makes you it's a she, she she makes you see what you want to see. So she makes straight man see a naked woman, she makes gay man see her shirt hot shirtless men. So they spend the whole movie trying to fight off, fend off these vampires and to varying degrees of success.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

And that's that's the only part that reminds me of Salem's lot is because remember that great scene in the original Salem's lot where the two truck drivers are are delivering the the vampire's coffin. So that's that's where that whole thing about uh it feeling like Selm's Lots and reminding me of that. But then of course Stephen Jeffrey was in Fright Knight, and the main character in Fright Knight was named Brewster. So Stephen Jeffrey eventually comes back later in the movie and he gets to do his little kind of evil-edged stick. So it's it's really funny. It's interesting because you think like, did they cast him first and then name the character Brewster, or did they have to rewrite once they realized they had scored Stephen Jeffrey in the movie? You know what I mean? Yeah. So I guess we could walk, I could we could ask Mark if we want to talk about it. Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

I could literally text him right now. I'm gonna text him in real time while we talk about this while I talk about something else about the film, which is the fact that you mentioned Salem's lot and that one's connection, but I will offer that this movie looks as good as any like TV movie or film out there. Like so good, right? Mark and his DP, and I I I apologize for not knowing who his DP is. It just looks, you know, we just who knows how what order people hear these episodes. And you and I just talked about a movie called Stripper Land, which was made, I believe, after by Marks. I could be wrong about that, maybe around the same time.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

It came out the same year, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

But yeah, and this one, you know, everybody has their strengths. This one looks a hundred times better than that film. Yeah, so polished. So polished. Gore is great. The gore is great, like the light vampires, the vampires look great, the mood, like everything physical production-wise, is just right on.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

The pacing, the timing of the characters, that you know, there's no there's no, you know, those weird lulls you get in between characters speaking in some indie films where it's not edited right, so that there's not a smooth transition of dialogue from one person to another. This is just perfectly edited and everything.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Hang on. So here's what I'm talking, I'm texting to Mark right now. Our audience can get the the the news as it happens. Did you cast Steven in Bite Marks and then change the script to reflect him, or vice versa? Okay. We'll see if he answers during our 30 minutes. Yeah, and look, we could talk about some of the other cast. Other cast members in this, uh, Wyndham Beecham, who plays the other of the two young men, he was sort of burning it up in uh gay indies back in back when this movie was made. I know he was in something called Back Soon with uh Matthew Montgomery, who was somebody that I put in a couple movies, and that was sort of a reincarnate a really interesting reincarnation story. Um, who else do we have in here? We have Evil Ed, we talked about Stephen Jeffries.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Yeah, everybody's cute. They're all cute. Everybody's such good casting, right? It's such good casting. And these are a little different height, they're not all the same height, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

And to your point about the like vampires, how many vampires? That was something that I thought was interesting in that I still am sort of trying to figure it out. I guess I inspired about that too. Yeah, because I I know like the thing about the vampire appears to you how you most want it to appear. That is very straightforward and that makes sense. But then there's the moment when they're trapped in the cab of the truck. And of course, you know, that's a filmmaker. Mark has to figure out how to get them out of the truck so they can be attacked by vampires. And it turns out that the vampire that's at the window isn't real because these vampires can actually be seen in a mirror if they're real, and that vampire does not reflect the mirror. So the character's like, oh no, no, no, this vampire doesn't exist, and they get out and they're safe for the moment. So the yeah, the question is how many vampires are there? And I and I guess uh this only came in a rewatch. Like for all these years after watching it, I I didn't remember this specific tweak to an already tweaked premise.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Yeah, because you know that's why, because like when they when they get out, like there's the scene where uh David's character Vogel is having a fight with the vampire up on the top of the truck. He he wraps his hand in Bible pages and he's touching them. He says, I bet you never saw this in a horror movie. At that moment, that vampire is real. That like, so are there really five vampires or not? Like that's like you know, like you're saying, it's not it's not really clear because they do have physical contact with other vampires other than the main vampire that they fight at the end.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

So they are fighting them, but it at the same time, there are scenes where they show that they're not actually supposed to be there. They do little like flashbacks of like this is why they're not actually reacting to us because they're not actually there. They show a scene where the junkyard, the guy who owns the junkyard, comes out and he walks past the row of gay vampi or male vampires and doesn't see them because apparently he's straight. But if nobody was there to see those vampires except for him, why are they there?

SPEAKER_00 12:41

You know what I mean? And I think that there's something, you know, because a big big piece of this whole gay horror pie is uh Benjamin Lutz? Am I is it that his last name? Benjamin Lutz. I should know this because I produced a movie that he was in. Sorry, Ben. Um he, you know, he is, as you say at the beginning, ostensibly straight, but he's having problems uh with the lady he's with. And then, you know, throughout the after he picks up the two gay guys, there's you know, this timmering like, will he or won't he, will they or won't they?

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Oh, so attention is so good. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Yeah. And uh, you know, I think that is being mirrored, you know, if if we to assume that his he fears his own homosexual or bisexuality, or just same sex attraction, I guess we should say. And that is manifesting right in front of him as what he really wants. And then, you know, there's consequences, unfortunately, for it. That's sort of mirrored in the other vampire interactions, because you know, if these vampires are appearing, how you you really would want to see them and then you interact, and then it goes poorly, it it almost implies that there's some moral sort of equation to what's happening, which I'm not sure I want to lay on this film, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

I'm not sure it's it's too much. Yeah, it's hard to give it put all that weight on it. Because it it is like, like you're saying, like Benjamin's character Brewster, he's when they all see her see that one main vampire at the same time, he sees her as a woman, and the two gay guys see her as a man. If he's not completely straight, why is he seeing her as a woman? Or is her glamming or whatever it is she's doing to them confused because she doesn't under quite quite understand that he may be bisexual or gay? Like, you know what I mean? Like, so it it would be a lot to try and unpack that and and like you said, put all that weight on it for this movie because it's such a simple and light, fun movie that should we read that hard into it? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Yeah, I think you know, this is a a a uh a low-stakes sport that we're engaging in. So I think it's I think uh you know, I'm totally cool with like getting real granular with it, with you know, always the caveat, like who cares? Right? Like at the end of the day, it's just fun. And and I say that as a preface to the next point I'm gonna bring up, which is sort of sliding into the stuff that when we look at films to like examine the parts that may not add up to be positive. You know, there are vampires trying to get the people in the truck. There's also a gay guy trying to get into the pants of somebody who does not want him to be in his pants. And you know, that's something that's certainly leveled at us all the time. We're certainly on, you know, this movie is how I don't know how I can't remember how many years old. I can look at my book. So, yeah, so anyway, that's the thing that's sort of come around, like we're recruiting your children. Um, and I to that I say we're only recruiting hot guys like Benjamin Lutt. So don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

But but see, but the movie takes care of that because it's it it's a movie for gay men, I think, mostly. And the fact is that gay men are gonna see that this is one of those situations where the gay guy recognizes that the straight guy is actually hot for him. He knows that he saw the gay couple has sex, they stop at a a restaurant and the gay couple goes into the bathroom and they have sex, and Brewster comes in and sees them through the crack in the in the stall, and he watches, and he's almost gonna reach into his pants, but then and jerk off, clearly, and then he realizes he hears a noise and he leaves. So David's character, Vogel, recognizes that this guy has it in him to to be, you know, do gay stuff, even if he's not totally gay. So is he really pushing him to do things that he doesn't want to do? I mean, that whole scene, he makes him give him David's performance there was so commanding when he convinces him, like in an instant, like you go down on me, and you know, I'll go down on you, and then you go down on me. I know this is what you want. So it's like in puts in question, is he really not gay? I mean, is he forcing him to do it or is he into it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 16:54

I guess it could be looked at as like there's it's a parallel, right? There's these two tracks of seduction that are happening, and one of them is an example of you know the bad version of it, and the other one's an example of like a means to an end, and that end is this person living their truth, and so that could be you know seen as a positive thing.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Um, but you also, you know, the whole this first scene where they show that he can't get it up for the woman. So where's it starts us wrecking like presents him as not being able to have sex with a woman at the very beginning to kind of plant that seed in your head that there might be something going on with him? Plus, the whole idea is he's a truck driver, and you know there's all those stereotypes about truck drivers that dress stop. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 17:39

So yeah, I was gonna literally saying like, let's not forget about the truck stop fantasy and like the trucker fantasy. You know, we can't hitchhike anymore, pretty much, because we'll get murdered. And I by we, I mean just everybody, not just gay dudes. So sadly, that era has passed. That I mean, that's you know, Mark has canily tapped into gay porn fantasy. You know, there's the um famous joke age movie, uh LA Tool and Die. Um I'm sorry, Kansas City Trucking Company. LA Tool and Die is part of that trilogy. Uh Kansas City Trucking Company that's all about two dudes driving across the country, and one of them is supposedly straight uh when they get into the into the truck. Not so much by the time they get to where they're going. And and that movie also has a bit of a strange um ending to it. If you haven't seen it, uh highly recommend it. Yeah, it's it's got this interesting uh push-in. So the kid who's been in the truck the whole time who was maybe not gay, maybe bisexual, who knows? You know, by the end, of course, there's the giant orgy and he participates. But the very last shot of the movie is a push-in on his face that looks kind of distract. It's almost like what would later be in um looking for Mr. Goodbar when they push in a regret on Diane Keaton's face. And it's yeah, is it a regret? Is it realization? Who knows? And I I wish I had my notes in front of me because I interviewed Joe Gage when I did the stage version of LA Tulendai as a play. And he, oh God, I wish I could remember what what classic French film he said that was an homage to. Anyway, um, we're getting super off track. But once an artist creates a piece of art, it's now freeing the world and they're powerless over it. And they're powerless over our analysis of even if they didn't intend things to be the way we see them. And one of the things that I look at in this film is the plot of seducing the truck driver and giving him what he not just wants but needs. Is interesting. And then of course the fallout after that it's not connected to that so much like like a punishment, but more like the circumstances in which it happens, right? Um so that's interesting that that Mark severed that um and laid all the groundwork, like very cannily laid all the groundwork, as you say, for the character. So it's not a pure, it's not a pure uh what's the word I'm looking for, uh stalking of the straight guy. Trying to convert the straight guy thing, yeah. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Yeah, it's that's interesting. He puts moments in there. He's trying to make Brewster, meaning Mark Messenger, it's trying to make Brewster Abson look like that character that you could guess in a second that he's a closet. Because he gets he has too many moments where he's like, Your name's Carrie, that's a girl's name. Like he plays too much into stereotype, he's too he's too he has like a gay panic, even when it's not a gay situation, you know. Um so it it they make he makes sure it reads like this guy has issues, you know. Um there's a funny scene where they all fall asleep in the truck and then and Brewster wakes up and he goes, Two fingers! And and David C David character buckle looks at him like, excuse me, like you're thinking he was having a dream about getting two fingers, not just one finger. You know, like there's these little moments where you're being it's being hinted at that Brewster has a gay urge, if not you know, fully gay, you know.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Right. Also, if straight guys understood that butt stuff felt good, the world would be a different place. Let's be honest about that.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Right, exactly. And I love the the part Vogel uh Brewster has to pee, and they're all sterile now trapped in the truck, and he opens up the he has uh Vogel opens up the door, and it's leaning over his shoulder, watching him pee, and that's that alone is very homoradic. But then he pees right into the mouth of one of the vampire men and standing there. And I'm like, Oh my god, it's like a it's like a a you know, a little nod to like you know, water sports and stuff. Like it Mark is just it was just brilliant. There were so many little brilliant moments in the movie, you know.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

This movie almost is it is a gay movie. Like the you know, when we talked about you and I talked about Stripperland, that's not a gay movie, it's a movie with gay content. This is a gay movie, but it's also a gay movie that I I don't know. I mean, you could put it on shutter and it would, I feel like it would do well. Like it is, you know, in this day and age, like maybe when it was made in 2011, it would have may have had a little tougher time, you know, getting out of the festival circuit.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

I think people would like it. I think even uh straight people who have no issues with gay people would really like it. As gay as it is, it's almost like irrelevant to the to the fun that's going on. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 22:22

In a weird way, like and I I don't ever think we should ever compromise our artistic visions for straight people, but the fact that the film, the nudity in the film is really relegated. I mean, I think we see the lady vampire's breasts at some point, a few points. And I'm trying to think, do the dudes get naked? Do we see their butt?

SPEAKER_01 22:44

We see the butt, David's butt through the crack in the stall door. And then I think we see, oh, and at the end he wants to take because he's obsessed with being on YouTube. So he tells his partner to take a picture of him and he and he moons the camera.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

And I think that's about all the nudity that you but you know it's not missed. Like this isn't there are certain gay films when I watch it, I'm like, oh, you purposely decided to not have uh nudity for whatever reasons, but this feels like a film that could benefit from it. This feels like a film that's perfectly calibrated with all of the various elements. I I just am so impressed by it. And and and during the rewatch, both for when you wrote your entry for the book and again, so we could talk about it today, never bored. Like it really just it it really does stand up.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

It moves. Yeah, and it moves. The whole movie, it doesn't stop. It's it's a non-stop ride for sure.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

So that being said, maybe you've sort of already answered it. I ask all my guests about their film. Like, where does this fall in the in the spectrum of like this should be in current rotation versus maybe this is just an artifact, maybe it's a good rental, like what would what would your aspirations be for this film now that we've taken a look at it again?

SPEAKER_01 23:54

I I watching it again, and I I went to look back at my original post on my website about it, and at the time I said this is perhaps one of my favorite of all the gay horror movies I've ever seen. And I have they're all right here next to me on the shelf. All the gay horror movies I have, I try and collect all the gay horror movies I can. Um, and it it's I by far I think it is the highest-rated one that I would I can watch it over and over again. I would I would not get tired of it.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

I got uh you know what? I feel like I could get on board with that. I'm sort of you know cataloging all the gay films. I made a couple myself and I would certainly like product.

unknown 24:28

I don't talk.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Oh yay. I was also you know the producer and a couple others that I won't some that I will happily mention and others that I won't. Oh well, one that I produced, David Kittredge's pornography. Um John Gale, who plays the dispatcher in this film at the beginning, who tells Benjamin Lutz's character, you know, go ahead and drive the truck without your license. He is also in pornography a thriller. So yeah, I I I I I would put it really high up there. I think it has it has legs and it's one of those movies um like Hell Bent where the quality is high enough that I think we could be writing about it, you know, when an anniversary rolls around.

unknown 25:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

So well, it's one of those I what you know, I watched it and I think, you know, I I write gay horror gay horror novel series, but I also have a couple standalone novellas. And I had written a slasher, gay slasher years ago. I actually wrote it before Hellbent was even a movie. I wrote it in the early 2000s and I just wrote it as a script at the time, and I had no idea how to get a script made. And eventually I converted it into a novella to add and include in one of my books. And um and it's one of those like if that ever got made into a movie, I'd be like, I want Mark Messenger to to direct this movie because I'm like, he knows how to make a movie. Like that, you know, he knows how to make gay, he knows how to make horror, he knows how to make sexy, he knows how to make scary, he knows how to make funny, and all in one movie. You know, like I I think it's just one of my favorites, it's absolutely one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Mark, if you're listening, and I hope you are, make more movies.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

I know I looked at it on MDV. I'm like, has he made NV? He has a Gale Galean series recently. Um, but yeah, he hasn't made a lot of movies.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Can you hear that? Here it is. It is the timer going off. That's been 30 very short minutes. So it's time to time to wrap up. And my first question for you, or no, I'm sorry, it's my last question for you, Daniel, is uh where everybody can find you on the internets.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

All right, look for me at Boys, Bears, and Scares written out as one word. You can find me on Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Blue Sky, and that's the my website as well as boysbearsandscares.com. And also on YouTube, I do videos every once in a while on YouTube. And it's all under boys, bearsandscares.com, or written out as one word.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

And also Scare Bear Dan, if you'd Google that.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

I know, yeah, and I call myself Scare Bear Dan.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Yeah. Yeah. Uh again, I'm Sean Abley. I'm also known as Gay of the Dead on all the places that you can be. Facebook. I'm spending a lot of time on Blue Sky these days, but also TikTok, Instagram, hanging out on Twitter still. All all the places where the bad men own them. And we give them our data. I'm on all of them. So find me there. You can also find Queer Whore, a film guide, the actual book, at McFarlaneBooks.com. And we uh as I say, every episode, we really encourage you to buy directly from the publisher because helping they're not a small publisher, they're like a medium publisher, but you know, publishing is in such a dire state right now that it's important that we we make sure that they make all the money they can off of our uh pieces of art. So mcfarlanebooks.com. And that's it. Thanks for inviting me. Oh, thank you for being here, and thank you for you know being the person that like made basically made it all happen. So that's it. We're out of here. Thanks so much. Join us again for our next episode of Queer Horror, a film guide, a podcast. Thanks, everybody.