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Encountering The Devil, Priest's Shocking Exorcism Stories Revealed!

• Ira DeWitt • Season 1 • Episode 1

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Join us as we delve into the mysterious and often misunderstood realm of exorcisms with an experienced Catholic priest. Discover the calling that led him to become an exorcist, the rigorous training involved, and the critical difference between mental illness and possession. Learn the primary signs of possession including arcane knowledge, speaking unknown languages, and inhuman strength. We also explore the significance of Latin in exorcism rites, and the roles of sacraments versus sacramentals in spiritual warfare. This episode provides a rare and insightful look into faith, psychology, and the supernatural through the lens of the Catholic Church's official practices.

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Is possession on the rise?

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The devil wins when he convinces you he doesn't exist. The devil hates Latin.

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Why do you think he hates Latin?

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Because it's the language of God. It's the language of the church. God says to get out.

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Does anything happen when you're sprinkling the holy water? Oh,

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of course, yes. I've seen live worms come out of people.

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Hail Marys and sprinting at the same time.

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I have seen that happen.

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Okay, I want to take it way back, even before the exorcist stuff. What drew you into priesthood?

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That's a long story. I'll keep it as short as I can. Halfway through high school, I realized that nobody was noticing if I went to church on Sunday or not. So I stopped. It was a boarding high school, you know, one of those military high school type things. And it was mostly non-Catholic people. But there were a few Catholics there. And we were supposed to go off to our local church on a Sunday, whereas all the others went to the church in the school. And no one was watching me, so I just quit. And it wasn't until I was about 25 that I started coming back to church again. Now what had happened in those 10 years was the Second Vatican Council. So when I stopped going, it was all in Latin, all on your knees, beautiful. And when I came back, I went into a Catholic church, and they were talking in English, and they were reading in English, and they were singing in English, and I walked out, and I thought, I'm in a Protestant church, because I didn't know about any of these changes. And I went out, and I looked at the sign outside, and it said, such and such Catholic church, and I thought, what? So I went back in again, and I just sat, and then I got used to it, the new changes, the new use of English language, or other languages as well. At about that time, there was this little nagging feeling in the back of the neck here, you know? You're supposed to be a priest. The calling. The calling, the vocation, yes. And I fought it for another three or four years. And then eventually, the priest at my parish that I was going to, I was going every Sunday now, he said, you know what, I think you should go and talk to the bishop. So he sent me off to the local bishop, and the local bishop interviewed me, and he said, so you want to be a priest? I said, I don't know. He said, I think you do. And he sent me to seminary. Oh, that's cool. So that's what happened.

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Okay, great. So it was

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God's work.

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God's work. We're all called in a different way or form. Absolutely, absolutely. How does one go from being a regular priest to being called to do exorcisms?

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What happened was I had this phone call one day from the vicar general of the diocese. And he said, oh, Steve, he said, the bishop wants you to be the exorcist. I said, what?

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What?

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That's a big job. That's like a huge job.

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Yes, it is. It is. Now, funnily enough, I already had this book, The Official Rite of Exorcism. I already had it because I like old books. And it's in Latin, and I like Latin. And I hadn't read the exorcism prayers specifically, but there's a lot of other stuff in here too. There's lots of prayers, blessings of this, blessings of that.

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And you've read that book in its entirety?

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Well, mostly. I wouldn't say read it, but use the prayers. It's full of prayers. It's called the Rituale Romanum, the Roman ritual. This is about 150 years old, this particular copy, this book. And I have got some older ones in that too. So it turned out... So I said to him, I've got to speak to my spiritual director about this. So he said, okay. He said, can you give me a response in a week? I said, well, that's quick. He said, a week. So I said, okay. So I called my spiritual director up, and he's a good guy. I've known him for years. And he said, okay, three things to think about. How does your mind think about this? how does your heart think about this how does your stomach think about this so i sat down and i spent three or four days praying about it and my head was saying you know you can do this and and this came out later on one of the reasons they asked me was because they know i know latin

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oh they know

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that they knew that and my mind was saying you know you can do this it's not impossible my heart was saying I know people who are suffering and I want to help them in whatever way I can. And my stomach was saying, this is not making me sick. The spiritual stress is not making me sick. Because that's what he meant by, what does your stomach say? Are you beginning to stress about this? It wasn't. So I called him back and I said, yeah, okay, I'll do it. He said, okay, good, that's fine. There's training. in Chicago beginning next year, and we'd like to sign you up for it. Can you go?" So I said, okay. It's a training program run by the Pope Leo XIII Institute, which is an institute of the United States Catholic Conference of Bishops. It's organized by them, run by them, approved by them. And it takes place at Mundelein Seminary in Chicago. And it's four 10-day sessions spread

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over two years. Four 10-day sessions. Total 40 days. Total 40

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days. And I attended them all. It was, you know, I learned a lot. I understood a lot. There were exorcists who came and gave us talks from all over the world. From the Philippines, some of the biggest... Exorcism ministry goes on in the Philippines at the moment. From Spain, Father Riffinger was there at one of the sessions and taught us, and others as well. And, you know, it just set me up. So now I kind of know what to do. It's new every time.

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My background is in education and psychology. I have a PhD. Psychologists and psychiatrists usually... refer to when they're diagnosing someone with a mental illness. They usually reference the DSM-5 and you have to like check off like a variety of symptoms to be labeled a certain kind of mental illness. Tell me what has to be in place, I would say like for lay people, signs and symptoms of somebody who is diagnosed or considered to be possessed.

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Okay. Well, one of the protocols we have is before I ever see anybody, we send them to a psychiatrist who has to eliminate mental illness.

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That's a tricky thing.

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It's very tricky. And it's not total elimination, but it has to be. The psychiatrist gives me a report, and it's all signed off on HIPAA laws and all the rest of it. The patient has to admit to all that. So I get a copy of the report, and then I invite the person in. And basically there are three signs of possession that we look for. One is... what we call arcane knowledge. Give me an example. I will give you an example. This did not happen to me.

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This did not happen to you. It

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did not happen to me, but another exorcist shared this with me. He said he was doing an exorcism once and the person was sitting there or kneeling there, however it was, and suddenly the voice of the person came out and said, the last time you went to confession, Father, you didn't confess a sin. And he said to me, he said, you know, that was right. There was something I didn't say the last time. Now, how did that person know that I had not confessed a sin? Because he said, I wasn't deliberately hiding it, but the moment they said that, I thought, oh my gosh, I forgot that. I forgot that. So that's kind of arcane knowledge, knowledge of something that they wouldn't otherwise know.

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The

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other thing is speaking in a language that that person doesn't know.

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Not like tongues, but like Italian. No,

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not tongues. No, exactly. Tongues is a spiritual gift. That's something totally different. But speaking in a real language that that person doesn't know. I have had people speak to me in languages that I know and they do not know.

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And they've never been exposed to it.

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They've never been exposed to it. These are languages from foreign countries that I happen to know. And they've spoken to me the devil's in them, the demons in them, have spoken to me in this language that they don't know. Because the demons know the languages. And the third thing we look for is inhuman strength. A nice young lithe lady like yourself suddenly picks up that heavy altar and throws it across the room.

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Oh, now say less. I'd be so... Hail Mary's and sprinting at the same time. I have seen

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that happen. I have seen that happen, not with that altar, but with other things. That somebody... under normal circumstances would not even have the strength to lift it, let alone hurl it across the room. There are other things too, but those are the main

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ones. Those are the big three signs and symptoms. My image flawed image of a person who's possessed is like in so much agony and pain, like they just want this out of them. Or they're starving to death or like, you know. Or they're hurting, they're like cuts on their bodies, I don't know.

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It could be, but that's not my experience.

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Oh, interesting.

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My experience is people who know it's wrong, oftentimes a family member has noticed before they even noticed and talked to them about it, you know, persuaded them to come.

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Tell me about sacraments versus sacramentals.

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Okay, sacraments and sacramentals. Good question. The church has seven sacraments. And for those seven sacraments...

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Can we go over them? Yes, we will. I'm getting

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there. For those seven sacraments, you need an ordained minister of the church. So a deacon, a priest, or a bishop. Now, one of them a deacon can do. which is baptism and a priest can do that obviously and a bishop can do that obviously because they're higher ranked but the only one that a deacon can do is baptism no that's not quite right let me rephrase that there are two that deacons can do one is baptism and one is witness marriages okay you need a priest for confession you need a priest for the mass you need a priest for the anointing of the sick so we're up to five now okay Yes? And then the last two, confirmation and ordination of priests or deacons, you need a bishop for. Now a bishop can delegate confirmation to a priest. A priest can do confirmations if he gets the permission of the bishop to do it. And normally that's Easter vigil, when the local priest will bring someone completely into the church, baptize them, confirm them, give them Holy Communion, all in the one mass. So those are the seven sacraments of the church. They're all in Scripture. You can find them all in the Bible there. Sacramentals are things like holy water, like crucifixes, like St. Benedict medals, like rosaries, holy salt, and in some ways vestments that priests and deacons wear because we... We put special clothing on to do mass or to hear confessions. The sacramentals all need to be blessed by a priest or a bishop. And the traditional blessings we know are more powerful than just, oh, I bless that name, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, amen. That works. God works. But the traditional blessings, especially for things like rosaries and especially for St. Benedict medals and the exercising of water and salt are very powerful blessings. You can bless water. A priest can do that. Yes, he can. But it's much more powerful when it's blessed properly. So those are sacramentals.

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Okay, got it. Okay, so you said take advantage of the sacraments and the sacramentals of the church.

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Exactly, to the people. So I give them this sheet, and it has all this on it. And then I give them another sheet, which is, and I do this one with them the first time. It's a renunciation of evil and a reaffirmation of good. And we go through it the first time. And there are three paragraphs. First two paragraphs are from the person, and the third paragraph is the priest blessing them back. And they have to say each paragraph three times, because in many ancient religions like Judaism, from which Christianity comes, and early Christianity, when you say something three times, it's true. I don't know any exorcist who uses English or Spanish. If we're going to do it, we do it in Latin.

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Why do you think?

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Because the devil hates Latin.

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Why do you think he hates Latin?

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Because it's the language of God. It's the language of the Church.

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It's

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the ancient language of our Roman Catholic

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Church. He doesn't hate Hebrew?

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Or Aramaic? He probably does, but I don't know that the exorcism is in those

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languages. And Jesus spoke Aramaic, correct?

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Jesus spoke Aramaic. That was his home language, yes. Yes, yes. He could probably read Hebrew because we know one of the Gospel stories tells us that he went to the synagogue and sat down and they handed in the scroll of the prophet Isaiah, and he opens it up, and the scroll, even though they spoke Aramaic, the scrolls would have been written in

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Hebrew.

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And he reads, and it says in the scriptures there, and he read the passage, rolls it up and says, today in your presence, the scripture is being fulfilled. So we know Jesus could read Hebrew, but he certainly spoke Aramaic. That was the language of the area. Yeah, sure,

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for sure. When we envision an exorcism, we say these set of prayers.

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Right.

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Give me the roadmap, we see.

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Okay, so if I'm in here, I'm usually standing at the altar, facing that way. The person who's possessed would be in one of these front seats. And behind them there would be prayer warriors. which would be people from the parish or people that have expressed an interest in deliverance ministry. Some of our prayer groups, for instance, in the parish. And they'll come in. They'll just sit at the back and they'll just be quietly praying. They say nothing. They make no movement unless, and I'll tell you about that in a minute, but they're just there as prayer warriors.

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Quietly praying.

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Quietly praying. Well, I am speaking the Latin prayers.

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Okay. How many prayers?

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Oh, there's about 12 pages of prayers here. So, you know, I would say, God says to get out. Get out of the person. Sometimes the person might start manifesting at that stage, but unlikely.

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At that stage, in the beginning? At that

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stage, at the beginning. After we've done a number of those in English, and renewal of baptismal vows, and sprinkling of holy water. I use a lot of holy water.

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Does anything happen when you're sprinkling the holy water?

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Oh, gosh, yes. They scream out sometimes. They vomit sometimes. They thrash around sometimes. And these are the demons taking control of them. you know and the interesting thing is the the vomit is not it's not the kind of stuff that comes up if you've had too much to drink excuse me for making that

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what comes out

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or if you've got a stomach bug and you're throwing up it's not that it's i've seen live worms come out of people i've seen snails or slugs And you can see them moving in the trash can, you know, that they've vomited into. I have not seen nails, but I know exorcists who've seen people vomit up nails.

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Adam Bly has seen them. He's

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seen that,

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yes. Like big ones, like hundreds of them. Yes,

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exactly. I've never seen that.

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I'm not built for that. I'm not built for

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that. So they vomit. Holy water brings on vomiting big time. And, and this is something that's always so embarrassing for them afterwards, the language. Oh, my gosh.

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Cursing and insane.

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Just disgusting language. I mean, come on. Not necessarily cursing. It's just disgusting

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language. Everything unpleasant.

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All those so-called four-letter words, most of which are longer than four letters. And the person will be screaming those out at the top of their voice. But they're not screaming them out. The demons are doing that. But they remember.

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They remember?

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Yes. And afterwards they're so embarrassed by it, I have to spend time saying, no, it wasn't you. It wasn't you. It was the demon taking control of you. But I never used those words. I said, that's okay. You're not using them. You weren't using them then. The demon was using them. So after we've had the introductions and the various different prayers in English or Spanish, then I'll go into Latin. and I'll pray the Latin prayers over

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them. There's about 12 pages, you said.

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Well, I usually use the shorter form, which works very well indeed. Okay. Sometimes I've used the longer form. The shorter form is just four pages. Four pages there. And it's very powerful because they scream and they shout and they writhe on the ground and... all those manifestations take place. And then once that's finished, we will go back into some cleansing prayers, as we call them, to cleanse me and the prayer warriors, to cleanse the prayer warriors, and then relaxing prayers, and all this is in English or Spanish, and end up with a decade of the rosary often. praying together. The person has calmed down by then. Maybe they're sitting back in the seat there rather than kneeling or lying on the floor, writhing on the floor as they might be, whatever it might be, whatever they happen to do. And then they go. And one session is never enough.

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That was

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my next question.

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Yes. I read online that exorcisms in previous years used to take like one or two or Three sessions now can take weeks and months.

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Well, I've had some people coming to me for two years now. Generally speaking, once every couple of months.

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Is possession on the rise or is it...

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The devil wins when he convinces you he doesn't exist.

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That's interesting you say that. I read that they polled people and they said, do you believe in God? And I think 80%. or 89% said, yes, I believe in God. They asked the same question, do you believe in the devil? And I think only 60% of them said they believed. And I would think it would be the exact same statistic. It should

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be. It's all in the Bible there. It's all in the teaching of our Catholic Church. But the devil wins when he convinces you he doesn't exist because then you have no resistance against his little insinuations.

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I wanted to ask you another question about the exorcism, as you're doing the rite of exorcism. Do you find people sometimes have more than one demon in them?

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Oh, multiple, yes. And this is one of the reasons, go back to an earlier comment you made, of how long it takes to do this.

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Oh,

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okay. Because sometimes people will come in and they'll be here or they'll be wherever, whichever side they're on, and they are... coughing out or vomiting out or screaming out. And devils are being released. I can sense that. But there's so many in them sometimes that it takes two, three, four, five, six months to get them all out.

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I follow a couple of, I guess, authorities, you would say, on exorcisms. And one of them is Father Dan Rehill.

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Yes.

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I know him, but I know of him. Okay, so you know of him. I try to not watch his videos at night because I don't feel like not staying up all night and praying the rosary over and over again. But he said he encountered the devil twice in person.

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Right.

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Do you think that's possible? Absolutely. Okay, great. Oh, yes,

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I

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have. And he came, he was a very good-looking man, he asked him to drink with him, and one was on the beach. Okay, so I was just curious. And Adam Bly said that he encountered the devil in an exorcism once himself. Have you ever encountered the devil himself?

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Yes.

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Tell me about it.

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Okay, there are several things about the devil. One is he's actually quite stupid. but he can dress up fancy and look quite attractive, either as a man or as a woman. And depending on what your desires might be, he can appear in that form and try and get you in that way. So I've certainly seen him show up in a very revealing outfit as a woman and try and work on my priestly celibacy.

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Interesting. So this is not like a real person in the community. This is like an actual...

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It's a hologram, you could say. She's a modern. I'm not saying it's a hologram. That's a modern thing. But like a hologram. It looks real. He looks real. She looks real.

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So when you encountered the devil herself or himself, what did you do?

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In most cases, it takes me a minute or two to realize that it is not really a person and that there is temptation there for me. And that's the time when it suddenly comes to me, oh my gosh, this is the devil. Vade retro satanas. Get behind me, Satan.

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And then the person just kind of disappears. Interesting.

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Can

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a lay person do that or only a priest can do

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that? No, a lay person. Those are words in Scripture. Those are words of Jesus in Scripture.

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Another question. I read that if you pray over, if you're not a priest, if you're a lay person and you pray over someone possessed, you're not supposed to touch them.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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Explain that.

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Well, the laying on of hands is an ancient Jewish tradition which the Catholic Church took over. And we use the laying on of hands in baptism, for instance. The priest will place his hand on the baby's head or the adult's head if it's an adult being baptized. We use the laying on of hands in confession, although often these days A lot of us are going back to the screen. So behind the screen, I will symbolically hold my hand up over the person. We use the laying on of hands, bishops do, for confirmation and laying on of hands and anointing with oils in ordination. So the laying on of hands is a priestly symbol, a priestly sign. And that's why lay people should not do it.

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Okay, and what can happen if they do?

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Well, I've actually got one case at the moment where somebody, a lay person, did do that. And they also anointed that person with holy oils, who knows what the holiness was. And that person got worse almost immediately with possession. And I think we've now got 50% out of that person. She was here the other day. Screaming.

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So we can go like this with holy water, but we can't touch it? You can bless with

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holy water, yes. You can sprinkle with holy water. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Okay.

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But usually not with the words. A priest would say, I bless you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You would just sprinkle holy water.

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Good to know. You

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could say in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

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Can we talk a little bit about demonic attachment versus full possession?

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Okay, attachment. It's kind of like a powerful temptation so for instance somebody who likes and it often comes out in addictions so somebody who has been persuaded that the next time they go to casino they're going to win big

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I see

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so they go to the casino and they spend the money they'd put aside and then they spend the rent money because they haven't won yet And then they spend the grocery money. And then they spend the car payment money. And suddenly they've got nothing left at all. Or they take money out of an account, a credit card, and go into debt. So that's an attachment where you cannot break because you're being tempted with great riches. Those are attachments. And by the way, you asked me about if I'd encountered the devil. You haven't asked me if I encountered the Blessed Mother, which I have in this very room. I've seen her walk out of that statue.

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So you had an apparition. And come

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and stand here.

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She came out of that statue and walked out, wait. Yes,

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and walked in front of the person here.

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Tell me, what did she look like?

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The most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life. And that's all I can say, it's just beauty. I felt an enormous peacefulness descend upon all of us here. particularly upon the anergoman, the one that's possessed. And it seemed to be, and I, you know, I'm listening to, I'm learning some stuff at the moment too. I don't think that was the final exorcism we did on that woman. I don't think so. I think I've done a couple since. But it was kind of like Our Lady saying, it's okay, it's going to be over. It's going to be over. And not using words, but just... So she didn't talk? She didn't talk. No, she didn't talk. Smiled, smiled, opened her arms, but didn't speak. Just was there. And you know as well as I do that lots of times all people need is an arm around them.

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Who's your favorite saint and why?

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Oh, my goodness me. It certainly isn't St. Francis of Assisi, although I've been there many, many, many times.

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But that's an odd thing to say. It's not my favorite saint.

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I can't deal with poverty.

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Oh, because he took a vow to poverty, yes. I've been to St. Francis. His shrine and his house and everything was so beautiful, though. And I think, what is the connection with Carlo Acutis? Is he from Assisi as well?

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No, Carlo Acutis was actually born in London, in England. His parents were Italian bankers, and they were working in London, and he was born there. And I visited the church where he was baptized, and they have the font that he was baptized in, and you can kneel there and say a prayer in front of the font. And they I have an exhibition of Kalu, which is blessed, which will be Saint next year. But he was about three or four, I think, when they moved back to Italy, to Milan. And he became... I don't know the full story

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of how it happened. There's some giant devotion to Assisi. His mother

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has written a brilliant book, which I'm halfway through at the moment, about her life with Carlo. It's in English. His mother speaks English very well, because they worked in

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London. I've watched many documentaries on him.

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Yeah, yeah. And... She's very honest about it. She says, you know, until Carlo came along and started getting religion, she said, I'd been to church twice.

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He got her back into her faith.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. Once was her marriage and once was her confirmation or something, I think. Probably baptism and first communion she had forgotten about, but never mind.

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She ended up having twins on his, like he came to her in a dream.

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Yes.

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But there's like some St. Francis of Assisi connection because when I went to Assisi. He's

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buried in Assisi.

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When I went to Assisi, his pictures are all over the place.

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Absolutely. They love him there. He loved being there. Great computer analyst built websites here's the patron saint of the internet yes

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I wanted to launch my app on that day but it didn't happen

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before you launch your app pray to him

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I did I do I do pray to him and for his intercession I think his feast day was like six weeks ago and I was trying to launch that it just didn't happen now I'm going to launch on December 12th which is the feast day of Our Lady

SPEAKER_01:

oh that's a good one too yes that's a good one

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yes but you haven't answered the question

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so I haven't answered the question yet no I guess probably St. Ignatius of Loyola.

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Why?

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I always wanted to be a Jesuit.

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Why do you think God allows us to get possessed?

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Oh, what a great question. What a great question. And the answer is I don't know the answer to that. But what I do know is that God can always bring good out of anything. And oftentimes the good that comes out from a person after they've been delivered is amazing.

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What's the fastest way to get possessed?

SPEAKER_01:

And make a pact with the devil. Yes. You know, to say no to God. And when we've done that and we start making a pact with the devil, the devil's in like a shot.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's talk about some pacts with the devil, like pact with the devil himself, like making a deal, like do this for me and I'll do this for you.

SPEAKER_01:

That sort of thing. Or, you know, I really fancy that woman over there and I wish she liked me. What does it take to get her to like me?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, okay, I didn't think about that.

SPEAKER_01:

And the devil will, you know, work with you and say, okay, well, what it really takes is your eternal soul for all eternity. But meanwhile, I'll give you 40 years of the best sex in the world with that woman, if you want. For instance, you can edit that out, I'm sure. No, I think we should keep it. People need to hear real stories, yes. That's the kind of thing. Or to be fabulously wealthy, or to be... Honored for nothing, you know. Influencers, as they call them

SPEAKER_00:

these days in the world. What kind of things should we stay away from to avoid demonic attachment or possession?

SPEAKER_01:

There's actually quite a lot. Ouija boards, terrible things. Tarot cards. Even, you know, tea leaves at the bottom of a coffee cup or tea cup. Santaria, brujeria, or voodoo. How

SPEAKER_00:

about psychics?

SPEAKER_01:

Keep away from them.

SPEAKER_00:

If

SPEAKER_01:

they know anything, it's from the devil. Another thing, and this has suddenly come to me, tattoos. Sometimes the tattoo artist is in pact with the devil, and sometimes the tattoo artist uses inks that have been cursed.

SPEAKER_00:

Interesting. Another easy way to get attachments and possessions.

SPEAKER_01:

Attachments and possessions, yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, anything we've missed as far as?

SPEAKER_01:

Witchcraft, yes. Around most Catholic churches, there's a witch coven praying for the destruction of that church.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

They just do it. There are witches everywhere. You wouldn't know them from Adam or Eve. You just wouldn't know them. I

SPEAKER_00:

don't want to know them.

SPEAKER_01:

They are, and they're praying for the destruction of the Catholic Church.

SPEAKER_00:

I know only Catholic priests can do exorcisms. How about if you're a non-Catholic and you are possessed?

SPEAKER_01:

We can work with you, but understand that this is not magic. I pray the prayers. Jesus does the work. Understand also that you have free will. And Jesus is not going to do anything to you that you don't want done. So, okay, you're not a Catholic. I don't know what religion you are. You may be some other Christian. You may be nothing. At least do you believe in Jesus who wants to work with you? Because if you don't, it's going to be very, very difficult, if not impossible. At least have that basic belief in Jesus as the Son of God. And then he can work with you because he's not going to impose himself.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much. It was so helpful and informative.

SPEAKER_01:

You're very welcome. It's an honor.