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Beyond Saint Podcast
Braden Sorbo on Faith, Hollywood, and Converting to Catholicism
Actor and author Braden Sorbo shares his personal journey from evangelical roots to embracing the Catholic faith amidst backlash in Hollywood. At just 23, Sorbo discusses growing up with famous parents, homeschooling, and entering the acting world by his own merit. He opens up about the challenges of being outspoken about his conservative, Christian, and Catholic beliefs in today’s entertainment industry, including facing harsh criticism and threats. Braden also reflects on the theological reasons behind his conversion to Catholicism and the importance of living out faith through works, not just belief. This episode offers an insightful look into navigating personal faith and career in a complex cultural landscape.
With my Catholic and political stances, I fear that Hollywood doesn't necessarily want to work with me nearly as much anymore because of who I am and what it means to be Christian, to be Catholic, and to be conservative.
SPEAKER_00:Do you really feel like you've gotten backlash for being a conservative?
SPEAKER_01:I have death threats. I have all these things. On top of me posting just some comments such as, you know, egg prices going down or border crossings down 93%, I'll be getting comments like, this is the brainwashed cult. I mean, that's what most of my comment section is. Catholics in particular, even among Christian groups, are the most attacked group of Christians. I mean, I've been raised evangelical, non-denominational my whole life, and the day that I announced that I was looking into Catholicism, I received multiple texts from Protestant friends of mine saying, don't go down this path, you're following the devil, like, you're gonna go to hell.
SPEAKER_00:We're here today in Palm Beach with Braden Sorbo, Beyond Saint, and we are going to talk about his career, his journey into the Catholic faith. You've done a lot in your short 23 years. You're an actor, author. Tell me a little bit about growing up, Sorbo.
SPEAKER_01:You know, it's funny because Whenever I go anywhere with my parents and they find out who my parents are, they always ask me, well, what was it like growing up with famous parents? And to me, it was normal because I have no other point of reference. I don't have something else to gauge it on. And so I grew up in Thousand Oaks, California, a small town about 40 miles north of LA itself. And I was homeschooled from second grade all the way through graduation. We traveled a lot because my dad was an actor. And so my mom had a rule. Anytime there was a movie being filmed that he was part of, if he were going to be gone for two or more weeks, he would bring us along for at least a couple of weeks. couple days during that trip, kind of so that we could see our dad, you know, spend some time with him, time with family, because it's always important. And so my mom decided it would be the best case scenario to homeschool us. And so I grew up on sets in Hollywood. I grew up behind the scenes, friends with all the crafts and caterers and the PAs and, you know, the director, just watching from afar as my dad was in front of the lights and the cameras having a blast doing what he loves to do. And when I was about 11 years old, I told my dad, I was like, you know, dad, I think I want to be an actor like you. And his first reaction was, please, God, no, don't do it. Because he knows how terrible Hollywood is. And so he tried to persuade me away from it, but I obviously didn't budge. And so he signed me up for acting classes. I went to Antonio Sabato Jr.''s acting class out in Westlake Village, just a town next over from me. And I took classes there for about three years. And on my 14th kind of birthday-ish, I booked a movie, my first movie. It was a audition for, because in their words, it's not our money, we're not funding it, you have to earn it, which I appreciated because it gave me a sense of accomplishment, not that I was just given something for the sake of being given it, but that I'd actually worked hard and deserved it. And so I turned 15 while we were filming that, and ever since then, I've roughly done about one movie a year, and my latest film is called I Feel Fine, it's now on Amazon and Paramount, it's a heavy movie, deals with suicide and OCD and depression and stuff like that, so it's a pretty dark film, but we were just up for a film festival in Paris, I can't remember the name of. So it's been a blast doing that, although with my Catholic and political stances, I fear that Hollywood doesn't necessarily want to work with me nearly as much anymore because I've started with this online, not persona, but just more being outspoken in who I am and what it means to be Christian, to be Catholic, and to be conservative.
SPEAKER_00:Do you really feel like you've gotten backlash for being a conservative?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah. I can show you my comments on Instagram. I have death threats. I have, you know, everything. I made a joke because they cast the chick from the Wicked movie, the girl who plays the witch, the black, bald, queer actress. They cast her to play Jesus Christ Superstar in the play Jesus Christ Superstar. And so I said, when are they going to cast a queer, black, bald woman to play Muhammad? And I got people giving me death threats saying, how dare you insult our prophet? Do you want to die? It's like Allah will smite you and all these things. On top of me posting just some comments such as, you know, egg prices going down or border crossings down 93%, I'll be getting comments like, this is the brainwashed cult. I mean, that's what most of my comment section is. It's a little bit funny at this point because I've made videos responding with cited evidence from leftist news sources that back up what I'm saying, but people refuse to listen to the truth even if it's dangled in front of their eyes.
SPEAKER_00:It's weird because we are the only religious that I feel like can get attacked with no repercussion. Because like you said, if somebody was to attack the Prophet Muhammad, it would actually be death. I think there was a bounty on his head. Was it Salman Rushdie? I think so, the
SPEAKER_01:artist?
SPEAKER_00:No, he was an author that spoke against the Muslim religion. there were like people were looking for him to kill him
SPEAKER_01:yeah well we had a lady about a year or two after god's not dead came out we had a lady come up to us in the airport we were in salt lake city and this woman uh islamic woman came up with her child and she told my parents she said i watched your movie god's not dead and i left islam and i had to flee with my kid because my husband tried to kill us both
SPEAKER_00:So
SPEAKER_01:we have real experiences from people who are actually living this. It's not just some sort of fake, you know, some people think it's online. It's going, oh, well, it's, you know, it's not that bad in real life. It's actually worse in real life. And there's a reason why Catholics in particular, even among Christian groups, are the most attacked group of Christians. I mean, I've been raised evangelical non-denominational my whole life. And the day that I announced that I was looking into Catholicism, I received multiple texts from Protestant friends of mine saying, don't go down this path. you're following the devil, you're going to go to hell, idol worshiper, all of these things. Whereas my entire life as a non-denominational Christian, not a single Catholic person told me that I was condemned to hell. Not a single Catholic friend of mine said, you're going down the wrong path, you need to become closer to Jesus, you need to do all this stuff.
SPEAKER_00:What made you, because I spoke to your mother about this, and we were at lunch, and I was obviously, I'm a devout Catholic, and she told me your father belongs to a church called...
SPEAKER_01:He was raised Lutheran.
SPEAKER_00:Lutheran, but there's another church he belongs to. It starts with a C. I can't remember
SPEAKER_01:the name. Oh, Calvary Chapel.
SPEAKER_00:Calvary Chapel. They were in the Calvary Chapel, and they're evangelical. And she said, but my son is converting. And then I was like... would you ever consider it? I'm like, it's pretty amazing. She goes, yes.
SPEAKER_01:I've been working on it. I'm working on it.
SPEAKER_00:But what made you decide to convert from evangelical to Catholicism? I
SPEAKER_01:have always been Not a confrontational, but a person who loves apologetics and debate. I never excelled in math and chemistry and the sciences and stuff like that. The numbers, once they started adding letters to the numbers, I got lost and I just sort of gave up. But I was great with the writing, the history, the debating. Those were my strong suits. I loved them. Even at 14 years old during the 2016 election, I remember debating people. There was one time I was on an airplane where I debated a history professor from Pepperdine who didn't know who Saul Alinsky was, which is the man who wrote the play Olia dedicated to Lucifer himself that Hillary Clinton did her senior thesis on in college, and he was supporting Hillary Clinton during this election, and I, as a 14-year-old, am telling him this, and he's going, oh, you know. I have one of my best friends is a Seventh-day Adventist. And I remember just out of the blue, he brings up how the Catholic Church is the Antichrist and they're the whore of Babylon from the Book of Revelation. He's giving me, well, it says that you'll be clothed in scarlet and they wear purple. And I was like, okay, you know, I've always known Catholics are kind of like, you know, weird. They pray to saints and they drink wine and they have all that. But I never looked into it. And when he made these crazy unsubstantiated claims, it kind of forced my hand. It made me go, all right, I need to actually check this out. And so I started looking into it. And I started with apostolic succession, with St. Peter being given the keys to the kingdom. And then I went down the path of Mary's perpetual virginity and life of sinlessness. And I eventually got to the Eucharist and the Eucharist actually transforming into the body and blood of Christ. And once I had that, once I had started going down that path, it was too late. I was like, all right, well now I have to be committed because this is very clearly the one church that Christ founded. This isn't a church founded by man. This isn't a church that's decided what they want for their own benefit. This is a church of martyrs who have all been killed for the faith when they were founding it. I actually just this morning came to the conclusion that if we truly believe in faith alone, then the martyrs died for nothing. Because if all you need is faith and you don't need any sort of work or any sort of proof of that faith to live your life a certain way, then you can do whatever you want. And as long as you say, well, God's my best friend, then you're guaranteed heaven. And if I were the devil, that's exactly what I would tell people. Because that is the best way to keep people away from heaven. The devil knows Christ better than anyone. He knows scripture. He quoted it during Jesus's 40 days in the wilderness. But he misquoted it on purpose. And that's what happens to people today. I mean, we look at Everything going on. My mom and sister went to a different church. I still go to Mass, obviously. But my mom and sister went to another church this past Sunday. And the sermon essentially was, once saved, always saved. There's no way for you to fall away as long as Jesus is your friend. And that's a cop-out. That's me going, well, you know, I'm saved, but I still have premarital sex. I'm saved, but, you know, I smoke, I drink, I eat in excess. I do all these things, but I'm still saved. It's like, well, you're still going to be judged, just like in 1 Corinthians says, by your works. A man's works, Paul writes, will be tested by fire, whether they're built with hay, straw, or wood, or iron, diamonds, or stone. The fire will consume, otherwise known as purgatory, and cleanse, and those works will be tested against him, and he'll be led into heaven.
SPEAKER_00:What did you give up for Lent?
SPEAKER_01:Me, I gave up a lot of social media. I still use it for posting because that's what I do for a living, but I would find myself often getting distracted where I would just scroll for 30 minutes, 20 minutes,
SPEAKER_00:and I would go do something else. It's so satisfying.
SPEAKER_01:I know, and I would go right back. So satisfying. And so I put a time limit on my YouTube to stop me from doing that.
SPEAKER_00:That's good, that's good. I gave up alcohol and soda, and I'm telling you, It's not been easy.
SPEAKER_01:I could give up soda, but I don't drink soda, so I feel like that'd be cheating.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I know. You have to give up something you love. So for me, it was a glass of wine. For me, it was a Coke once a day. I was like, oh, I can't handle this. But I'm trucking through it. How was it being homeschooled?
SPEAKER_01:It was great. I loved it. You did? I was the popular kid back in public school, first and second grade. I was always on the basketball court. My parents said that I was preparing to be a bully because I was one of the popular kids. But when I became homeschooled, I sort of lost all my competitive drive because as an extrovert, I love being around people and I love competing with other people. And so when I became homeschooled, I started eating popcorn every night with candy, watching a movie, you know, not working out, not taking care of myself. And I became a chubby kid. And so by like 14, 15, I started growing. So I started stretching out a little bit, thinning out that way. But by 16 is when I kind of hopped in the gym and that definitely changed my life. But the homeschooling aspect of it was great because I could wake up at, you know, 5 a.m., get all my work done before 8, and then I had the whole day free, and that was really fun.
SPEAKER_00:That's really cool, actually. But I feel like it would be a little isolating.
SPEAKER_01:It really depends on how people go about it. There's plenty of homeschool curriculums and programs and co-ops that people are now doing that have that social aspect. I mean, like I said, I couldn't debate myself. My favorite subject was debate. I had to be part of something. And so we joined a co-op called Classical Conversations, which is Lee Bortons. Robert Bortons is the CEO now. He's the son. And it is a classical curriculum, Latin math, science, chemistry, history, theology, debate, writing, all the different curricular activities that you would need. And you meet once a week at a building typically it's a church that lends their facilities for the day kind of thing and everyone goes over the work for the week they go over what they went what last week what they're going through the next week and then you disperse and then you have the whole week to do the work that you talked about and you meet right back up so once a week you're getting that social engagement and more if you want to
SPEAKER_00:so it was a good experience for you
SPEAKER_01:without a doubt I'll be doing it with my kids
SPEAKER_00:oh oh your mom's a big proponent of homeschooling how did growing up in Hollywood the Hollywood environment affect your perspective on faith and politics, really?
SPEAKER_01:It was definitely interesting because when I'm eight years old, I don't really have an idea of any of that. I don't necessarily understand how any of it works. And so by the time I was old enough to really get a grasp on it, my dad had fully ousted himself as a conservative and had begun working more independently than in Hollywood. And so I never really got to see firsthand how the Hollywood scene was. If it was anything like any of the independent movies that we were part of, the majority of the cast and crew were on the same side. They were just less vocal.
SPEAKER_00:Who's your favorite saint?
SPEAKER_01:So I love St. Michael the Archangel just because I love the aspect of stabbing Satan through the head. I have a poster of it in my back room of my podcast studio that I built. But my personal patron saint that I've chosen is St. Justin Martyr, who was one of the first apologists for the church, wrote numerous letters. His first apology is actually... A highly recommended read. The paragraphs 60 through 65 cover the Eucharist in great detail. And it not only proves the validity of the Eucharist, but the fact that it's been around since the first apostles. Because this is something that was written, you know, a couple, it was like 120 AD, I believe, maybe 200 AD. And so St. Justin Martyr was killed for this. He was executed. And so his symbols are an axe for his execution and a quill because of what he wrote. And I, as wanting to be an apologist, figured he would be the perfect guy.
SPEAKER_00:You're 23 years old and I think Carlo Acutis is being canonized on the 27th of April. Can you relate to him being like, you guys are somewhat similar ages? Is
SPEAKER_01:that the kid from South America, the 15 or 16 year old? I
SPEAKER_00:think they lived in Italy. but I think... He's the
SPEAKER_01:newest saint, right? The newest saint, yeah, yeah, yeah. The younger kid, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Do you know anything about him? He talks a lot about, he talked a lot about Eucharistic miracles and...
SPEAKER_01:Yes, so he was also big on social media and that component, that was
SPEAKER_00:what... He's the patron saint of social, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, so I love that. I didn't pick him as my patron saint and it could have been just because I felt weird picking someone who lived at the same time as I did, but I'm not entirely sure why I didn't. I mean, I love Justin Martyr's apologia in general and I think it still applies to social media, which is where I plan on using it. I didn't pick Carlos just for that reason, I suppose.
SPEAKER_00:What's your favorite prayer?
SPEAKER_01:Hmm. Oh, favorite prayer is tough. My favorite prayer is Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. That is the prayer that puts you in the proper headspace to enter into that kind of relationship with God, is to enter into the throne room, to kneel at the foot of the chair and to be there present. It is something that you can sit and repeat in your head or repeat out loud for as many times as you need. And it's not a vain, repetitious prayer unless you make it mean nothing. But it's supposed to put you in that space of Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. It puts you exactly where you need to be.
SPEAKER_00:Gets you straight. You wrote two books, and one of them is on masculinity.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:There's so much banter around the word masculinity. Talk to me a little bit about how you define masculinity and what that means to you.
SPEAKER_01:Well, masculinity is obviously exemplified through Jesus more than anyone else possibly could, but from a human perspective, from a solely human perspective, something that's achievable, masculinity is responsibility. Masculinity is taking charge and caring for those that you otherwise don't necessarily have to care for. I mean, my dad didn't have to marry my mom and take care of her, but he did. He didn't have to have kids and take care of us, but he does. So masculinity is this tenet of being able to take care of others and then choosing to do that. Now, I will say, not everyone is worth taking care of. I mean, you have plenty of people who are going out and saying things like, well, where are all the good men? And a lot of people have pushed them away simply because they don't understand what masculinity is. I mean, what we've What we've done is society's taken true masculinity, the essence of it, which are comfort, responsibility, protection, provision, and they've replaced it so that we think masculinity now is dominance, overbearing, destructive, controlling. We have all of these negative connotations around masculinity, and so we push away any man that could resemble a protector, provider, because he is a big guy who wants to take care. And part of that wanting to take care means taking responsibility. And if I'm dating someone, I'm taking responsibility for them. to be cautious of how they are acting because how they are acting and what they are doing does reflect on me as the guy who is supposed to be leading the relationship. And so it's this give and take where we don't understand what masculinity is because we've also forgotten what femininity is. All the waves of feminism have gone from every single stage until now. It's basically at this point men are women. It used to be we want to be equal to men and now it's men are women. We've lost the
SPEAKER_00:thread. I can't even go down that rabbit hole because I am... old, probably your mother's age, and I can't even wrap my head around that stuff. I respect you however you choose to live your life. I respect that. I think they should have the same rights. I don't believe in discrimination for anything. But the minute we're debating what a man and a woman is, that's where I just get checked out.
SPEAKER_01:Real man is someone who is not afraid to go against the status quo. That is the truth in masculinity. A man who is not able to defend himself physically, should the need arise, is not someone who's willing to speak up and stand out because he's not able to defend himself.
SPEAKER_00:You mean just vocally, not physically?
SPEAKER_01:No, I mean both. I mean, if you do not pose a threat...
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:in any way, shape or form, you are immediately a target. There was a famous child predator guy had abducted plenty of kids and they asked him, what do you look for? He goes, I look for a weak father or no father at all.
SPEAKER_00:I read that too. That's so sad. As a
SPEAKER_01:man, you need to be, if you are not capable of violence, then you are not tame, you're just weak. That's basically the entire aspect.
SPEAKER_00:Got it. Got it. Do you have a girlfriend?
SPEAKER_01:I don't. Not currently.
SPEAKER_00:Why do you think you don't have a girlfriend? I mean, you're super young. That's one part.
SPEAKER_01:I've dated people before, but I don't see a point in dating unless it's to marry. And if I don't see myself marrying that person, or if I did and I no longer do, then I don't see the relationship going any further and I end it. I'm very logical with that. I love the idea of being comfortable with somebody, but if I don't see a future with it, I'm not going to waste their time or waste mine. And that's... what I've been doing my entire life.
SPEAKER_00:You're very much an exception. I mean, you really are practicing, I guess, I don't want to be presumptuous, but abstinence and I guess you're celibate?
SPEAKER_01:I am, yes.
SPEAKER_00:And I don't want to assume, but it just feels like from how you're speaking that you're really trying to follow... the steps of Christ.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I didn't always, unfortunately, because of how I was raised, the whole idea of evangelical, like when you have faith, you're all good. I took that literally and said, oh, as long as I apologize to Jesus after I do X, Y, or Z, everything's okay. And obviously that's not the case. But I mean, I could tell you my testimony if you would like, if we have time.
SPEAKER_00:Would love to hear your testimony.
SPEAKER_01:All right. So at eight years old, I discovered pornography. through a virus on my computer. I was just watching YouTube videos and I clicked a link in someone's description and there it was. And at eight years old, that really absorbs. Now the average age for a boy discovering porn in the United States today is 10 to 11. Back when I discovered it, eight was 15 years ago now. I gotta think the age might have been a little bit higher, 14, 15. But through my entire formative years, that was what I was addicted to. I'd seen every single thing imaginable and I went through that addiction for about 12 years and at 20 years old and I would always you know go oh God forgive me I feel so bad and then then I would do that every night when I watched and then it became every week or maybe once a month I would apologize and then it became once a year on my birthdays I would have this big emotional oh I'm gonna stop this year God just forgive me and I'll be better and obviously you can't do that that's not how addiction works people people don't seem to realize that the devil's favorite word is never because he takes it as a challenge so if I say oh never do this again, the devil goes, really, you want to bet? And then you end up doing it again. The only way people can do anything is if they allow God to do that. And so at 20 years old, I said, okay, God, I'm done with this. I can't do it anymore because all it does is hurt my relationship with you. I need you to take it away from me. And just over three years ago, I quit a 12-year addiction cold turkey. And I say I quit, but obviously God did for me. And so it's been just over three years for me now, but that 12-year crippling addiction that destroyed my psyche ever since I was a child has been gone.
SPEAKER_00:That's insane to get addicted to porn at eight years old.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I wrote a little bit about it. in my book, Embrace Masculinity, it's a chapter called The Sex Talk. And I discuss pornography. I discuss the crippling effects and how it destroys not only your body and your mind, but it also destroys your soul, it corrodes your soul. Every single chapter has a quote on it. And I quoted Phil Voilette from Black Violet, I think, and he says, I've looked at so much porn, every single woman looks vaguely familiar.
UNKNOWN:Wow.
SPEAKER_00:It's insane. I read that people who have porn addictions, when you put their brains under an MRI, the brain lights up differently than a healthy male brain.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, it does. And the problem is we've subsidized porn and capitalized on it. What
SPEAKER_00:do you mean subsidized?
SPEAKER_01:We've made it accessible for everyone. Softcore to hardcore. Hollywood promotes it in movies. Music promotes it with what they're speaking, with what they're singing. And we have a generation of young men who are paying for OnlyFans because... they think it's good. We have a generation of young girls who are selling their bodies on OnlyFans because they think it's empowering. All of this is pornography. Whether or not it's clothes on, clothes off, you know, silhouettes, all of it's the same because it leads to the same goal. It leads to destruction and devaluation and there's a reason for that. The people who founded the porn industry hate Christ. Alvin Goldstein, who was known as the father of hardcore pornography, did an interview with Ford Magazine and he's quoted as saying, we're in pornography Because we hate Christ, and we hate His children, and we want to rip them apart, essentially.
SPEAKER_00:Any professional or personal milestones that you want to talk about that you'd like to achieve?
SPEAKER_01:That I would like to, that I haven't achieved yet? Yes. Get married and have kids. It comes with time, but get married and have kids. What
SPEAKER_00:does your perfect wife look like? Physically and spiritually. That's
SPEAKER_01:tough. Tall, athletic. I'm an athletic person. I like someone who is able to keep up with me in that same sense, someone who takes care of their body. Because if you can be dedicated to taking care of yourself, then you can be dedicated to taking care of a relationship. So tall and athletic. And then spiritually, Catholic. Don't want to be unequally yoked. I want someone who is... It
SPEAKER_00:would be tough, I think.
SPEAKER_01:It would be very, very hard. I would have to be either not a good Christian or... Or she would have to be better than me, basically, for it to work in that sense. And so someone who's Catholic, athletic, takes care of themselves. Tall is great because of the height for the babies, having strong NBA, Division I children. Yes, I want a lot of kids. Non-negotiables are homeschooling, needs to homeschool.
SPEAKER_00:Wow. Because
SPEAKER_01:this isn't just a me thing. I'm not going to be sitting there homeschooling the kids by myself. The father being the spiritual leader in the house is the most important thing to a child's development, but the mother also needs to be there. And if I'm supposed to be working, then what are you going to be doing with your spare time if not helping take care of the kids with me? So homeschooling, taking care of a household, someone who knows how to be tender, nurturing, loving, submissive. I mean, I always say, there's so many guys who go, I just want a submissive wife who's gonna do what I tell them. And I go, great, so what are you doing to be worthy of that submission? What steps are you taking where a woman is gonna look at you and be like, that's someone that I would follow. That's someone that I would trust to lead me. You're not. You're not worth submitting to. You are not a man. That's all it is. Now granted, In 2025, it is extraordinarily difficult to find a woman who is worth being a man for kind of thing, right? Unfortunately, so many young girls have been usurped by this power that tells them, like, OnlyFans is good and to go, spring break is coming up. I was down on Miami or Fort Lauderdale Beach last year with a friend of mine interviewing girls and a couple of the people that we talked to, one girl stood out, she said, my goal is to sleep with five people. And we said, really? And she said, yes, today. And we said, what? And so her goal was to have sex with five different strangers every single day down in Fort Lauderdale for a week straight. And she was serious. She was a little bit intoxicated, so She was speaking her mind, but she wasn't joking. She wasn't laughing it off like, ha,
SPEAKER_00:ha, ha. There's like this weird movement. I play on social media a lot. And this girl, Bonnie Blue.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Both of them. So their whole goal in life is to, I think Bonnie Blue slept with a thousand men.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. And got pregnant and a couple STDs and things like that. Yeah, that's.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, like why, like what, like how broken are you that you have to want to sleep with a thousand men in a day?
SPEAKER_01:So bad fathers make broken daughters.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's,
SPEAKER_00:that's all it is. It has to be the mother in there and cousins too. Like a lot of, that's a lot of, that's a lot of, either you're like a raging narcissist where you need unlimited supplies of attention, like something's going on. I mean, and then there's like, there's a movement with these women that want unlimited partners. I don't get it.
SPEAKER_01:Because they see online other women who have unlimited partners and they see it as beneficial. The problem is young women are exceptionally impressionable. Because historically speaking, it used to be you find a girl, you get married, you settle down, and you have a family. The average age for getting married back in the 70s, I think, was 27. or 25 for men, 22 or 21 for women. Like it was pretty young. The average age today is over 30 for men and just under 30 for women. And so we have this extra gap and people are calling it finding yourself, but all you're doing is setting yourself up for failure. When these men would get married, back in the 70s and these women would get married, what they would do is they would build a life together. And so the women would learn how to be women and the men would learn how to be men and they would start this life and they would build it together. Now, you have people learning apart from each other, building two separate things and then trying to mash it together and that just breaks both pieces.
SPEAKER_00:I read that A large percentage of women now are not interested in marriage.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know if it's necessarily not interested, but they can't get married, and so they say they're not interested. We're going to see something like 45% of women by the year 2030 that are going to be single into their 30s. And that's terrible. I feel bad for those kinds of people because they have this idea of, well, I don't need any man and I'm a girl boss and I can do whatever I want. But they end up lonely. They end up lonely and miserable. And the same goes for guys. We're supposed to need each other.
SPEAKER_00:But you know what? I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute.
SPEAKER_01:Please.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's a result of men that women have been hyperly masculated and taking on more masculine roles. I think it's not just submissiveness and all this stuff because men pre-social media, pre-dating websites and apps, you had to go and have a little bit of a game about you to approach a woman and ask for her number and ask her out on a date. Now it's like swipe. sends like a fire emoji and the girl's supposed to write back it's like i think i'm i think that men are i think we're having this weirdness in our relationships because men have become more feminine and it in turn makes women have to step up and do a lot more of the men's jobs and in a way it's like okay then what do i need you for So it's kind of like this vicious circle.
SPEAKER_01:No, you're not playing devil's advocate. I wholeheartedly agree. Can I tell you why that is?
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Men grew up because they needed to. They grew up because they had to become men to take care of their families because they had a wife and potentially children who would depend on them. After the 20th century turned, When we get into the 1900s, you start seeing this shift in dynamics where women are slowly, you have the waves of feminism that go, we can do everything men can do. And as the 1900s progress, you have this, well, we don't need men, we don't need men. So men slowly stopped growing up because the demand to be a man wasn't there anymore. And so it is on the men. Because at the time of The 19th Amendment passing in the states, only 4% of women wanted it because the way that the voting system worked was the household would vote as one conglomerate, one unit. And so the husband was responsible for his entire family and would vote for the family as one unit, and the government went, well, okay, we're missing half of the population, we can't tax them, what are we gonna do? Well, we'll tell them they need to be independent, they need to do their own thing, and then we'll get the kids, because we'll get the kids in school, and we can indoctrinate them how we want, and we'll split them, we'll cause this division, we'll have couples fighting with each other, whereas it used to be one unit, and the burden of responsibility was still placed on the man, but everyone's voice was heard, respected, and loved, and cherished, because if I just have a group of yes men around me, that's miserable, I don't want that, I want to be challenged, I want people to speak up, because there are things things that I can say that I don't see the full picture of, but that if I'm married, my wife will see a full picture of, or at least a different angle and can give me a great perspective on it. It's supposed to be that unison. But when we started losing that unison through the divide, men stopped growing up because they didn't need to anymore. Like you said, they could swipe on dating apps and send a fire emoji now. And women took the responsibility of growing up and becoming the men because they there were no men. And so they said, fine, we'll just do it ourselves. And so unfortunately, like you said, it is a cycle. The men are seeing the women who are masculine. They're like, oh, I don't want to do that. And the women are seeing the men who are in Neverland, the Peter Pan lost boys, you know, they're refusing to grow up and they're going, what are these puny little weak men? And we're going back and forth and back and forth and there's no growth. It's only going to stop, unfortunately, when the men decide to grow up. That is the only outcome for it because We can't sit here and go, well, then women, you need to learn to be submissive and quiet and loving and nurturing and all that stuff. And then they do, but then there's a vacuum because there's no masculinity. There's going to need to be something to fill that vacuum before it's even created. And so the men are going to have to grow up if they want the wives that they're claiming to actually want. If they want a biblical, if they want a Christian, if they want a loving... tender wife?
SPEAKER_00:Maybe I'm sinning. I don't think I'm that submissive.
SPEAKER_01:It's not a matter of just being yes or no or yes, yes, yes all the time, obviously. It's a matter of respecting opinions. That's
SPEAKER_00:pretty much it. No, of course I respect my husband's opinion most of the time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, the thing is you married him. He's the head of the household in the same way that my mom and dad will have disagreements. She still respects his decision at the end of the day. She'll voice her opinion and he'll listen. And if he sees a reason to change his opinion, he will. And if he doesn't, he He won't and whether or not it ends well or not is on him entirely because he made that decision. So he has to take everything into account. I have a friend of mine who's a pastor who told me, he said he had a dream where if he invested with this guy, the company that he would invest in would make hundreds of millions of dollars. And God was saying, if you do that, this is the outcome. So he's going, I'm going to invest. His wife said, no, the guy's going to take the money from you. He goes, God just told me it's going to make money. The wife said, okay. She voiced her opinion. What happened? The company made money and then the guy took it. So the wife had the extra opinion there, but she still respected her husband saying, I'm going to do this. She still voiced her opinion. He still heard it. His disregard was at his own demise to his own detriment, but the dynamic was not affected in a negative way because they still love each other. It was just essentially proving that God uses both parties in the relationship to communicate.
SPEAKER_00:I also think that the masculinization of women, which I'm not totally against, I think is a function of financial issues because you can no longer have one person bringing in income and expect to buy a home. It's just impossible. No, it
SPEAKER_01:is, and it's terrible.
SPEAKER_00:Without two people working full time,
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I lamented it in literally the first chapter. I called it The America Your Parents Knew Is Dead. And so in 1959, According to the Treasury, a college graduate would earn a salary of just about$10,000 a year, which was equivalent today to$120,000.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Today, a college graduate is making$80,000 a year. That's a third of the price or two thirds. And how do you buy a house? You can't. Homeschool your children like you want to. Inflation has, there's no way to do it. I 100% agree. And so it's not black and white, like, well, the people need to do this and then this and then this. It almost is. We could start with men growing up, men taking responsibility men deciding you know what it's may not get married but let me just let me just do this because I don't need it you know anyone else kind of thing and eventually things will follow but we have to take that first step
SPEAKER_00:Brayden tell me where we can find your book and the title and if it's available in audio or
SPEAKER_01:I'm working on an audio book right now okay I'll be reading it in my voice my soothing tranquil um it's available on sorbostudios.com People want to go there. We have the shop where they can get a signed copy. And if they don't want to do that and they would rather support Amazon, it is there, although I don't know why they would choose that.
SPEAKER_00:What's the name of the book?
SPEAKER_01:The book is called Embrace Masculinity.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, great. Thank you, Brayden, for coming to speak to us today. Do you have a social media handle?
SPEAKER_01:I do. It's just Brayden Sorbo. Just all platforms anywhere and everywhere. IG, Facebook, Twitter. IG, Facebook, Instagram, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:All right, great. Thank you.