The Friction That Keeps You Out of the Shop

This week on The Joiner's Bench, Alex and I get into something every woodworker runs into eventually — falling out of the habit, and all the little friction points that keep you off the bench. We talk through the usual excuses (the couch is comfortable, I don't know what to make, I don't have the time) and the things that actually get you back in: committing to ten minutes, picking a standing shop day and defending it, keeping a basic toolkit in your car so there's nothing between you and the wood. I also tell the story of the architect who talked me out of putting my shop above the garage — and it had nothing to do with hauling lumber up the stairs. Then we run our first "Myth or Real" segment on the Kreg pocket hole jig: real joinery or cheating? We land hard on the same side. We get into where pocket holes earn their keep versus where the Festool Domino makes more sense, Kreg's rumored loose-tenon tool, and I make my case one more time for why you should stop buying biscuits.

Transcript

Welcome and intro

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Alright, hey, and welcome to the joiners pitch. I'm Steven. And I'm Alex. And we're just two guys talking about woodworking and the craft that we love.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Yeah. And this week we're talking about getting back into that craft that we love. If we have to step away for a little bit. Experiences with that in the past and just how to get back into it.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Yeah, I mean, it's easy. And I think it applies to anything, not just woodworking, but any craft or any anything that you get back into. And I'm experiencing that right now because I've been you know running the joinery for so long that getting in the shop and actually making something is is kind of difficult. And now I've I've got things I want to do, and I keep finding reasons to not do it. So it'd be good to chat about that. But before we

What's On the Bench

SPEAKER_00 1:03

get into that, last week we promised we were gonna follow up on some stuff that we were gonna do this week. So, Alex, how did you do?

SPEAKER_01 1:11

I I did build things, I built some walls. So unfortunately couldn't make it into the shop to work on my headphone stand. But I did feel good with doing the framing that I was doing, getting like these tight fits, sometimes too tight. But it it felt like a good step back into working with wood and measuring and cutting and the little nuances.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah, sometimes that's what you that's what you have on your plate, and we all have those chores that we've got to do. And I don't know about you, but I think a lot of my woodworking love came from doing those home projects and things like that to see how that goes. And yeah, I didn't really get in the shop. I did, I did make progress on the dining room table, though.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

And I was actually kind of pleased with it, and it was an interesting path to get there as we're sitting at the table that I have to reproduce. So I have a sample. This one was made by this one was made by just on the fly, right? I didn't have any drawings, I didn't have any samples, I just made it. But now I've made one and my wife wants one just like it. And so I took three photos of it and I put it. This is gonna tick some people off. I put it into my AI and I connected it to Fusion 360, and I said, Can you create this model for me? And it got 80% of the way there. And then I was able to finish it out and add the joinery and the things that I want to do with it. So, and I got that far, and then I actually created the cut list and I placed the order for lumber yesterday. So I'm on my way. So, yeah, we we got some progress made

Main Topic - Getting back into the craft

SPEAKER_00 3:00

there. Well, good. Well, that probably does bring us to then our main segment where we were talking about getting back into it. So, how did this come up for you? Because you suggested this topic for us.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Yeah, it kind of springtime. I just found myself not getting here to the shop. It kind of got out of my daily cadence, and I found myself making excuses of I can get off my couch and come here for a couple hours. And yeah, just getting little excuses to not do it. Times that I would come in, it didn't feel like I had the flow. And yeah, it's it's been on my mind lately of getting back in. So I figured let's let's chat about it.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Yeah. And yeah, and I think it's it's a normal thing. You've this probably isn't the first time you've experienced it, and it's it's not my and like I said, I'm kind of going back through it now as well. And it is, it's all those little friction things, right? It's like it starts off with like the couch is comfortable. Yep. I'm sure you're the same way that I am. It's like when you get a chance to sit there, it's kind of nice to be able to sit there because we're doing so many other things. It's funny because we several years back, we were gonna build a house that we ended up not building. And part of the reason was because at the time I needed my shop somewhere, at least on the grounds of the house, because I didn't have the joinery at that point. And we were working with an architect and and we had come up with a plan, and and I had come up with a couple of plans, and one of them was I was gonna build a shop above my garage.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

And the architect was like, That's a bad idea. And I was like, Well, don't I I do lifting for a living, I know how to get things up there, and he's like, No, no, no, that's not it. He goes, the stairs is the problem. And I said, No, I just said we can have a hatch, we can lift stuff through. And he's like, No, no, no, the fact that you have to walk up the stairs is going to be friction and it's gonna keep you out of the shop. And yeah, and I was like, uh that's kind of that's kind of lazy. And he's like, trust me, I've seen it time and time again. If we don't make this easy and frictionless for you, you'll it'll be the reason, right? It'll be like you could run out into the shop during a commercial break if it's easy and accessible to get something, and then you get stuck in there for an hour because it actually is more pleasant than being watching the sports show or whatever you're watching. And and I tell people that here when they come to look at the joinery, one of the first questions I ask is what side of town do you live on? And if they say they're from the east side, I'm like, well, you know, there's a couple other makerspaces over there that are probably gonna be more convenient for you because driving that 20 minutes across town is not gonna be it's not gonna be it. Now, for some people, the shop is an escape. And I think for both of us, we've felt that as well too. Sometimes you can just you can just go

Overcoming friction to start

SPEAKER_00 5:51

someplace and do it. So but it is also some some friction. So what do you what have you found in the past that you do to kind of overcome that? Or do you just knuckle down?

SPEAKER_01 6:01

I mean just do it is really the first step. And I love the I think it's some kind of there's got to be some psychological term for it, but it's like you commit to going for 10 minutes or just do it for ten minutes, or here at the shop I would say just go for a half hour, just mill this one piece, and then then it'd be totally okay to stop there. But if you're feeling it, then yeah, you have enough time to keep going and experiment. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

And I think it's it's uh the is it Mark Twain that said said, you know, how do you eat eat an elephant just one bite at a time, right? It's that same concept. It's like just get there, even if you're just gonna sit there in the shop, just go do it, right? I think I would I think for me sometimes it's on a project, it can be as simple as that. But unfortunately for me here at the joinery, if I come sit in the shop, I'm gonna get asked a thousand questions and and be pulled in different directions. But for me, it it is it's doing the plan. Because usually what's stalling me from doing something is there's some unknown, either I don't know what joint I'm gonna use. It's been ages since I've cut that joint. Can I still do it? And oftentimes by doing it in modeling, it gets me over that hump because I've either see it on paper that, oh yeah, that's not gonna work, or it doesn't look right, or or whatever. And then usually by the time I get a model created that I can spin around and show and I can show other people and they're excited about it, then I'm like, okay, now I gotta go by the wood. Right. And then it's by the wood. And then but then it gets to that now. Once the wood's here, it's gonna be, okay, now I need to go get out there and and and do it. And that is often the hard part. I I think the other thing that I tell people here, new members particularly, is like you don't have to be here every day. And you don't even have to be here every week, but pick a time and make that your workshop time. And it kind of combines the the two things. It combines what you're saying and what I'm saying. And and so, for instance, for me here in the last two or three weeks, what I've said is that I mean, I'm here almost every day anyway, but Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursdays, and Saturdays are the days I'm here to work, to help members, to teach classes, to do those things. Mondays, Fridays, and Sundays are my day. Okay. And now the the one out that I gave myself in the beginning was I could I could stay at home or I could come here. And now what I'm kind of saying is that, you know, Mondays at least I'm gonna come to the shop and I'm gonna do a woodworking project. And that's where your rule kind of kicks in, which is if it's a Monday afternoon and I'm like, well, I don't know what I'm gonna do, it's easy to just go home. Instead, I'm like, nope, I'm gonna go sit in the shop and I'll get inspired and something will

Pushing your skill level

SPEAKER_00 9:01

happen. So exactly. Yeah, and I think I think a lot of this is the unknown, right? It's like when we start a project, it's just it's like what do you do? And it's a blank sheet of paper again.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Oh yeah. And I mean, for my the spot where I am with woodworking, it it I don't know what I don't know. There's I want to try every little thing, but then also I know that there should be a progression of difficulty in what you try and that I really should not this might be a bad example. I could try and cut dovetails just on scrap wood and and practice that, but I shouldn't jump into making like a humidor and dovetailing all the sides and doing a glass insert and things like that. And I think it's good to try and push yourself. And like I d don't want to make just the same old basic like bird houses. I I do want to push and get creative and and have fun with it. But yeah, there's still I guess it can be intimidating. I can talk myself out of it right now. I'm realizing of oh, I can't I know I shouldn't do this super intricate thing. So I need to figure out something else that that's simpler. Oh, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Yeah. Yeah, and I think I think we can sack ourselves out for that. I I talk a lot about a lot of woodworking we do to impress other woodworkers because the people that use whatever we're making don't care if it's a dovetail or a butt joint or or something like that. And so we often I find myself doing that same thing. It's like, oh, I want to use this particular joint. Hmm. Is it is it the right joint? Is it is it gonna look bad if I do it that way? But you're right, there's that there's that pressing to do more and develop your skill, and then there's the like, okay, what are the steps to launch into these things? And again, it of course it takes more time then is like you could say that that well for 30 minutes I'm gonna go in and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna cut a dovetail joint. And then the the second 30 minutes that I'm there, I'm gonna work on this, you know, cigar humidor. And on that one, I'm just gonna use butt joints and I'm gonna I'm gonna learn everything I can learn about you know that part of the process and building a box or maybe I'll put miter, you know, corners on it or something. But every time I go in the shop, I'm gonna cut a dovetail. And at some point, some point you just gotta make the leap and and add it into a project. And and I think when I see the successful members here, they are the ones that experiment a lot. And I think I I think that's the I think that's the thing about any craft is you have to have curiosity. Yes, because there's so much involved in it. And if it's if you you've heard me say this to people all the time, I've said it on this podcast multiple times, think of everything as a prototype. Okay, right? So in some aspects, it's like, okay, I'm just gonna prototype a dovetail box. And then if it turns out pretty darn good, then it turned out pretty darn good, right? And then you do another one. So yeah, these are all challenges, and it's all it's amazing how much psychology plays into all of this stuff. We we tend to blame it on time. We we tend to think that our time is precious, but then if we go look in our phones and we look at how much time we spend on Facebook or Instagram or whatever, it sometimes, you know, it's like, wow, I could have had those three hours to go out into the shop. And even if it was just go into the shop and sit, or better yet, go into a shared shop or something like that, where you can talk with people and see what they're doing and get inspiration. And because sometimes that's the best thing too. So oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

And then the another one of my favorite tricks I learned about going to the gym where it's like you you pack your bag and just have it in your car.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

So that way after work you don't have to stop home and get your get your whatever. It's just I can I can go right to the gym and I can commit to that 10 minutes. So I I do that with tools in my car. Oh, awesome. I'll have the the basic like a chisel, uh some kind of um one of those simple planes I'm blanking on the name. Some glue. And I just kind of keep it in my car. Having storage here is a huge convenience of I can keep just enough here to to be able to work, even if it's uh just practicing.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

Right. Yeah. No, I think that is it again, it's getting rid of all those friction things, right? If you're like, oh, I've got to go get sandpaper before I go do this. Well, in a shop like ours, we have sandpaper, right? You don't have to carry that with you. We have it here available for purchase. But yeah, if you had a toolkit that had your own sandpaper and glue and chisels and tape measures and things like that, then that's you're just ready to go. And when you come in the need, you know, I and I I would extend that to even if you have a home shop or you're in a shared shop, is have a source of wood. Yeah. Because and cheap wood, found wood, you know, so that it's not too bad to just like, I'm gonna grab that piece of wood and try to make a box today. Uh we're making boxes out to be evil things, but they're it's a good starting point. Yeah, it's a great starting spot. And and usually they turn out. It doesn't matter what you do. They usually come out, you know, they're fun. The box is pretty functional if it's just got a lid and can close. So yeah.

Finding ideas and help

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Yeah, so I think I'm I'm with you. I think part of it is psychological, is like, what am I gonna do? The the things that I hear here is I don't know what to do, I don't know how to do it, and I don't have the time. Well, if you don't know what to do, there's a whole world on the internet where there's all kinds of plans. Just type in basic woodworking plans and you're gonna find stuff that aren't the bird houses. I mean, you're gonna get the bird houses and you're gonna get the little knickknack shelf, and but there's some actually some pretty nice things out there. The joinery's website has sample plans on it that are pretty good. Good places for beginners to start. But I and I guess maybe I'm biased because I've opened a shared shop, but I would say find somebody in your community that's already doing woodworking and work with them on some ideas and and bounce things around. Here at the joinery, we have a Discord channel, but there's a woodworking Discord channel that's open to the public that's not run by the joinery. And you can just you can say, hey, I'm a new woodworker, I'm looking for something to do. Give me some ideas. But also people know what they need to do, right? They all have a project that they want to do or something or they've seen it. So then the next step is the how. And that again, I think that's where a shared shop comes in, a makerspace, uh, your local woodcraft store, your local rockler, even your local Home Depots and Menards and things like that. Sometimes there's people in there that know what they're doing. The internet, again, can be very helpful. And almost every major metap metropolitan area has some sort of woodworking group that you know you can you can ask questions of and they will they will help you. So I think in today's world, finding help and inspiration is is not that difficult. So then it really comes down to what you and I have been talking about, which is the friction of what will it take to get what would be better than sitting here on this couch watching YouTube? Yeah, watching somebody else do woodworking and taking all the risks. And I can tell you what it is is when you finish that box. Oh yeah. That's the that's the payoff, right? And it's but it's like everything else, it's kind of delayed gratification. It's like you gotta work for a little bit and then you get it, and then it then you're hooked again, and then you're like, what's my next project? So yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

That yeah, the the satisfaction you get from applying finish and seeing I'm a sucker for crazy grain patterns, but like seeing the colors really pop and the the feel of it too really gets me of like it's nice and smooth.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

That it's awesome. That's my work. Yeah. It that's why it always pains me when I see people put polyurethane all over freshwood work. It's like, oh no, you're applying plastic to it. Don't do that. Yeah. All right. Well, let's see, where are we

Real or Myth? Kreg pocket hole jig

SPEAKER_00 17:34

on this? So I guess our next segment is the myth or real. And we're gonna change this name five or six times because I don't know if that's a good one or not. But I I I'll I'll do lead in. I thought the first thing we talk about is the Craig Pocket hole jig, which if you haven't seen that, it's it's a little and it comes in all different flavors. But the simplest version, the version they came out with, was like a little wedge that had two holes and bushings in it, and you clamp it to the end of a piece of wood and it drills an angled hole into it that you can then butt up to another piece and put a screw in and connect it. I'm doing a terrible job of explaining it, but I think most people that are listening to us know what a pocket hole is. Like a pilot hole. It's a pilot hole. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

It gives a spot for the screw head itself to really totally get hidden.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Right, right, exactly. And the nice thing about it, the screws they use use that wide flange on them. So it's not just it's not like your deck screws that have the wedge head that kind of splits the wood. This has a nice, almost a self-tapping screw and then a flat top on it that works as a clamp, I guess is the way I'd explain it. Yeah, washer built in kind of. Yeah, exactly. A washer built into it and it pulls it, pulls it tight. And I've seen people on both sides of this thing. They're like, oh, you shouldn't use these things. And I'm a huge proponent of it. And you've said you've you've used these even recently, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah. I, as I said, I've been doing framing, building walls in my garage and basement, and basically I got tired of trying to start a screw with the driver, start it sideways and then tilt it so to to like toenail it in.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Tonail it in, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

So I went and bought the one of the pocket hole jigs, and I was fairly against them for a while. I know that they have a place, but it's like, I I don't need it. They're kind of like, feels like seating. Yeah, yeah. But I I picked one up and it adds a little bit of time to the framing. So I found myself going back and forth a little bit, but that's how I was putting in these these middle studs was especially because the garage is so wonky, so I can't just cut everything at a standard height. Yeah. I'm measuring each one. And yeah. Then I I drill the pocket holes and it made it so easy. Like it, it I'm gonna come back to satisfying.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

It was really cool. Just setting it's inch and a half wood. You set that on the the jig, just drill in and it's set, like takes the thinking out of out of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

It's i it's it's it is actually crazy simple, and I'd bet that mate for me it would be faster because I can't toenail. I I I split wood, I whack the nail sideways, and so for me, I'd probably be more successful and be quicker by doing it that way. I do a lot of cabinet face frames with it.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Because you know, the pockets are always going to be in the back, they're not gonna be visible. It's a flush fit because of the nature of the way it clamps, and it's very secure. And you can put glue on it, you know. Some people do, some people don't. If I'm doing a face frame, I'll usually glue it, just gives a little bit more mechanical bond to it. But I've used it, I use it in the shop all over the place to build shop tables and things like that, right? Same thing you're doing. It's it's two by fours. You know, these days, two by fours, they're using that white pine that's really crappy, that's probably not dried all the way. And as soon as you put a nail into it, they split, or as soon as you drive you know, a long screw into it, it splits. And so pocket hole is pre-drilling, like you said, and it's got a nice clamping force on it. And like on the shop benches, we don't even glue those. We'll because then we can take it apart and rebuild it some other way. Yeah. And so the other thing is you'll know you know this that I'm a huge fan of the Fest Tool Domino. And I know that it's an expensive tool. I think it's one of the few, as Alton Brown from Good Eats would call it, the Unitasker. It's it, but it's a Unitasker that it has so many different versions of that task that it that it's very appealing. And it can be used in a lot of ways, like on face frames and things like that. But in in my mind, it becomes overkill for that because your face frame's not taking a lot of it's not taking a lot of weight, a lot of stress. Yeah, it's just it's a it's a trim. Right. Yeah. Just there and it looks good. Yeah. And so the pocket hole works great for that. But even in the framing stuff, it holds really good. It it just there's a lot of uses for it. And I don't know that people really really poo-poo it, but there are people out there that are like, well, it's not real joinery. And I would argue that it is real joinery. It's it's it may not be that it's not hand cut. It's not, you know, it's not machine cut either. It's kind of a cross-between. And there's nothing at all wrong with it. And it goes back to that. What are you building? Is it a utility piece of furniture or something, or is it legacy? And if it's legacy, then it's worth putting the time in and doing hand cut joints or doing nice machine joinery and things like that. And if it's utility, your job is to get in and get out, right? Exactly. Yeah. So yeah. I'm a huge fan of Craig. They're now making a whole line of tools.

Domino and biscuit talk

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Speaking of the domino, you you brought this up before the show that they're they're announcing a I don't know if they have a name for that thing yet. Domino killer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

And and they they have said that that's not what they're aiming for. It's been all like third parties that I've heard that from, but like kind of a competitor to the domino. Yeah. That you don't need. I think its big claim to fame is that you don't need the actual dominoes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Or the the uh dust extraction hooked up. Right, because it just ejects it out there. They they do that, even their pocket holes do a pretty good job of just ejecting the the dust. So yeah, yeah. The domino, you definitely want that dust collection hooked up to it, which means the cost of the tool goes up because now you have to have a shop back to go with it. And yeah. But having said that, it you know, for anybody out there that is using biscuits, I implore you to stop using biscuits. Don't don't give the tool manufacturers the satisfaction of getting your money to buy that tool. It is it is not worth it. There are so many other things out there, and that's why I'm excited about the Craig jig that does the domino, like the the they're probably calling it a slip tenon tool or something like that. It's such a better joint than a biscuit. It's it's a better mechanism, it's more much more precise. The the biscuit is a tool from another another century that just should go away. And one day we'll do a show on why I think it's so bad. But I I I feel bad for people that are using it in their in their builds. And I know that's a lot of people, and I'm sorry that I'm offending some people right now, but yeah. But Craig, on the other hand, I think they're a great tool company. I believe they're a U.S. company. Now, whether they make their stuff in the US or not, I don't know. Uh and they're they're starting to come up with a with a pretty decent line of tools. Oh yeah. They now have a bunch of battery-powered stuff, I think. I haven't used any of them, but I hear they're and seen some tool reviews where they seem to be pretty good. So we've had we had their router table uh lift mechanism here that I really enjoyed, but this is an environment that is unfair to tools, and it just it did not did not hold up to the 120 different people using it in different ways. And not always knowing exactly how to use it. Right, the correct way of using it. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, so but I I think for a home shop it would have been awesome. And it it lasted a long time for for what it was for this environment. This is a harsh environment. It's funny where I went to school down at the Mark Adams School of Woodworking, he used to say that he always he never got sponsorships on tools because he wanted to try all the different tools. And what he's found is that tool manufacturers want him to do that because in that school environment, just like I'm learning, it's a very harsh environment. And if the tool can withstand that, it's gonna be a pretty good tool. So yeah, if you ever want to find out about tools, I can talk your ear off about what has worked here and what hasn't. But yeah, Craig Jig, especially the pocket tool. It is low cost, you can get them in in your big box stores like Menard's, and I think Home Depot has them as well. Yeah, they do. That's where I got mine. Yeah, so and they're not, I mean, if they're 50 bucks, I'd be shocked.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

They're the price does go up depending on which seats you get. Yeah. But it's at entry level, I think they have a single one. It's very, very accessible. Yeah. And you go as as much as you want. How much are you going to be really using it? Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

And you can, I know this too, you can find them on 3D printing models. So you if you have the right bit, which they do have, it's not a special bit, it's not special to them, but it is a particular bit that you would need to buy, which aren't very expensive. But you can get 3D models from Thingiverse and things like that where you can print them. They don't hold up as long, they don't have the steel bushings in them, but in a pinch. Or what I've where I've done that is where I've been in like a tight space that I couldn't get the actual Craig tool into. I've printed one that was really small and tiny that worked out great for me. So yeah, I I think we're both the thumbs up for Craig Jig pocket holes, and everybody should uh try them out at some point.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Yeah, I I'm excited to try out really the the whole line of things that are that are helpful. Like I want to say center finding jigs, cross-cut sleds. My mind is blanking. Did I say doweling? No, no, yeah, doweling jigs, yeah, that's right. The inside of the cabinet where they the adjustable shelves kind of whole drilling thing. That's right. They have all those accessories for that stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

And again, I think in the world of woodworking, they're they're exceptionally well priced, I think. Yes. They're worth the money. And they're not, you know, woodpecker and some of those other companies that are like through the roof for the good quality tools, probably worth the money, but Craig gets the job done for the normal DIY home woodworker who's not beating the tools up. It's they're they're probably pretty good. Yeah.

Plans for coming weeks

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Well, that takes us to kind of like what's our plan for the next couple of weeks? Speaking of getting out in the shop, we both have a problem with that right now, but we're both also very busy, which is like probably most of our audience. So, what do you think you got coming up?

SPEAKER_01 28:02

I have a festival that I volunteer at that I lead the photo and video team. So that is very much on my mind right now.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

And that's fine, that could be enough.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

And I've committed though to I'm gonna go back to that the headphone stand because I want to be able to sell it there, basically, even if it's one model.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Uh help kind of fundraise for this video gaming kind of part of it. Oh, that's a perfect thing for it, too. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah. My goal is to have at least I'm gonna step back. My absolute minimum is to make a kind of page holder thing for for reading where you put your thumb in it and it holds the page so it's open like that. If I get nothing else, okay, I'll be happy with that. But ideally it's the headphone stand.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Yeah. Okay, good. Well, I may even go less than you. I've got big plans, but I think what I'm gonna say is that I'm gonna spend I'm gonna go, I'm gonna put yeah, I'm gonna reach out there. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna spend an hour over the next week actually cutting wood, not planning it, not drawing it, not modeling it. But hopefully my wood comes in for the table and I can at least start making some progress on that. And the nice thing about that is such a big project that once you get started, you kind of have to finish or people yell at you because your stuff's in the way. So but yeah, I I'm gonna say that that's that's for me is I need to, I'm excited about that table. It's and then that's gonna drive me, you know, even past that because I'm gonna have to finish the chairs that go with it. So that's that's gonna be a fun thing. So yeah. I don't, you know, it's funny. I think the next week I don't have a lot of weird stuff going on. We're kind of it's slower here at the joinery.

Upcoming joinery classes

SPEAKER_00 29:46

So I think next week we have a break from classes. We do have a tool to class this weekend that we're doing.

unknown 29:51

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

We did get posted our July classes. So we have what do we got coming up? We've got a Saturday special class, which is three Saturday mornings for four hours where you build the shaker table. And then we have our normal Thursday evening class, which is two hours on Thursdays, introduction to woodworking as well. And then there's another tool tote class, I think mid-July. August will probably be about the same kind of pattern. And then at September, October, and November, we're really ramping up. We'll have the normal introduction to woodworking class, we'll have the normal tool tote, but we're gonna have a serving tray class. I'm really excited because one of the things I didn't mention yet is that I've I've put together plans now for a Craftsman style setting bench. And so that's gonna be a fun class project that is gonna be pretty, pretty intense, but I think beginners could do it. And then I've mentioned these chairs time and time again, these dining room chairs. There will be a class probably late this fall on those dining room chairs. And it that that talk about an intense class, that one's gonna be out there. But again, I think very doable and in reach for most people. It's just an intimidating project.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

Yeah, that's what I've heard about chairs, is it's not exactly fun, but if you can do it, it's worth it. Well, and the nice thing about it is the first one's not fun, and then after that they get because you know what you're doing and and you have a pattern for them. So and this one's particularly a challenge because it's a it's a slap back bent chair, so it's got it's got you know formed wood and things in it and funky shapes that you cut out on the bandsaw. And and and I think we'll probably use the domino joinery on it because that's a nice simple thing to do, and we can we can do that. So

Wrap up and contact

SPEAKER_00 31:33

all right. I think that that is about it for this one. If you want to keep the conversation going, how would they do that?

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Yeah, come find us at the joinery.club if you're a member here. Find us on Discord and get that conversation going there. Social media. We're on social media and yeah, just get out there and make something. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Yeah, and we'll uh talk to you in a couple weeks. All right.