Why So Serial?
A Former Police Detective and His Son Discuss Cases of Serial Killers with a Fresh and Entertaining Perspective.
Why So Serial?
This is Why We Don't Pick Up Strangers (Aileen Wuornos)
Highway hitchhikers beware—America's deadliest female highway predator lurked along Florida's roadways in the late 1980s. Eileen Wuornos murdered seven men between 1989-1990, shooting them multiple times and abandoning their bodies in wooded areas across central Florida, creating a terrifying serial killing spree that shocked the nation.
Born into unimaginable trauma, Wuornos never stood a chance at normalcy. Her biological father—a convicted child abuser—died by suicide in prison. Abandoned by her mother and raised by alcoholic, abusive grandparents, she faced alleged sexual abuse from both her grandfather and brother. By age 14, she was homeless and surviving through sex work, creating the psychological foundation for the violence that would later define her.
What makes Wuornos' case particularly fascinating is her methodology and motivation. Unlike most serial killers who hunt vulnerable victims, she targeted middle-aged men traveling alone on highways. While she claimed self-defense against abusive clients, the evidence suggested something darker—a rage-fueled revenge against men who represented those who had hurt her throughout life. The increasing brutality of her killings—from four gunshots with her first victim to nine with later ones—reveals an escalating emotional disconnect typical of serial predators.
The investigation that brought Wuornos to justice combined forensic evidence with classic human error. She pawned victims' belongings under her real name, left fingerprints, and was seen fleeing from a crashed victim's vehicle. Most damning was the betrayal by her girlfriend Tyria Moore, who cooperated with police to record Eileen's confession. Her subsequent courtroom behavior—marked by outbursts, vulgar language, and paranoid claims—captivated the public and highlighted her severe mental instability.
Before her 2002 execution, Wuornos requested only black coffee and a cigarette for her final meal—a telling glimpse into her hardened persona. Her story inspired the Oscar-winning film "Monster" and continues to spark debate about trauma, gender, and violence. Was she a cold-blooded killer or an avenging angel for abused women? Listen and decide for yourself.
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Speaker 2:So now it's time for the greatest podcast on the face the plan. Why so serial? Oh, shoot this is episode four.
Speaker 1:This is why we don't pick up strings.
Speaker 2:Take it away, boys, let's go.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to why so Serial? It's your boy, corey, here, and I've got Soren with me. Say hi, soren, hello. And today is episode four. This is why we don't pick up strangers. Today, soren, we're going to be starting in Florida. All right, that's where we left off last time with Bundy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we're in Florida 1989.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I actually think Bundy was actually executed in 1989. Yeah, I actually think Bungie was actually executed in 1989.
Speaker 1:I think you're right. Well, where one serial killer ended, this one's going to pick up. All right, all right. Well, at least that's where our story starts. Florida, 1989. Body of a man is found. He's shot several times off a wooded highway. Days later, another and another, and another, another, and another, and another, and another. You get my point. Over the course of the year, over the course of a year, seven men would be murdered and dumped across central florida. The killer, not your typical predator this time it was a female, yeah we haven't done a female serial killer yet we haven't.
Speaker 1:Um, this is actually the first one, and she was a drifter, she was a sex worker and she was a survivor and she was also a self-proclaimed avenger of abused women. Who we're going to be talking about? Her name is eileen warnos. She's a lot of people will say she's America's first female serial killer by FBI standards, but realistically that's just not true. There was Velma Barfield right here in North Carolina, jane Toppin, the killer nurse. There was several more before her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've heard of a few more before 1999.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I don't know where that actually comes from. I don't know if it was because she was kind of the most popular, because there's a lot of really I say funny. But she was very vocal about things and had a lot of interviews and stuff that were public, that people got to hear on TV and stuff that were that were public, that people uh got to hear on tv and stuff. So let's get into who she was.
Speaker 1:A little bit of her background all right eileen was born in 1956 in the state of michigan. This is where, I mean pretty much right from birth, is where the trouble kind of starts for her. She, her biological father, was, uh, convicted. He did some bad things to children and he was convicted of it and he died by suicide in prison after he was convicted of those things. She was then abandoned by her mother and raised by an alcoholic and abusive grandparents. Dang yeah, so there was also some claims of abuse by her grandfather and her brother and that her brother took an inappropriate relationship with her when she was very young. Yeah, yeah. So she really, right from the go, was just giving a really really bad go at things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for real.
Speaker 1:You know, as you hear more about her, it kind of makes sense Like how do you turn out well after you've received like literally no love as a child?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:She probably doesn't even know what love is and caring is. I think she tried. She was homeless by the age of 14. She kind of began sex work as a way, just for her to survive. She started at the age of 14.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dang. I mean she was on the streets, she was homeless, she had nobody to care for, so she did it as a means of survival, and that's how she survived.
Speaker 2:Wait. So when she was 14, her grandparents were like yep, you're good, you're on your own now. Like what?
Speaker 1:Well, I think it was more so that they were alcoholics. They were abusive um. Her brother was also abusive to her, so it was one of those things where she just like left him right away yeah, she was better off on her own trying to make it than you know sitting at the hands of abuse for yeah however long, and you know this kind of upbringing and abuse and abandonment, betrayal, you name it, uh, it kind of builds the foundation, um of like psychological scaffolding, so to speak.
Speaker 1:That yeah can just lead to violence and, um, you know, from a law enforcement perspective, you can look at this kind of trauma that she went through as a child as not only a motive, but there's like a huge red flag. Um, yeah but it could be a motive as to why she ended up?
Speaker 1:it could be ultimately doing what she did? I don't think you know a lot of people. There were some interviews where they actually asked her like, do you, do you think you were born a killer? And and I don't think she was. I think she it's easy to say that because she was very she made herself seem very. I don't want to call her crazy, but she was just born into so much chaos and abuse, you know. But yeah, she goes off in her teens and she's doing sex work to survive and she actually hitchhiked across the United States and all along the way she was doing petty crimes and she was arrested several times for this and that, but nothing super crazy, nothing super crazy. And she eventually settled in Florida, where all these murders take place, and she met Tyria Moore at a Daytona Beach gay bar in 1986. Yeah, tyria ends up becoming her lover and kind of her emotional anchor.
Speaker 2:Dude, that's a thing A gay bar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a gay bar is a. Thing.
Speaker 2:For real.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like is it a bar where only gays are allowed, or something, or how does that work?
Speaker 1:I'm not sure if you have to be gay. I don't think you have to be gay to go there. I don't actually know how it works, but that's where they met. All right, yes, I don't have a good answer for you, man.
Speaker 1:Um, yes, I don't have a good answer for you, man, but um, you know, tyria, I think, was the first person to really genuinely care about her, yeah, and love her and show her love, um, but uh, the problem with that is their relationship was very intense and dependent. It was marked by a lot of jealousy and financial desperation, so they were sort of partners in crime trying to survive together, um, but they were very dependent on each other. Yeah, um, and you know you're still very young. But in relationships, especially romantic ones like that, um, if you become too dependent on the other person, it can lead to some unhealthy things in my opinion. But you know what does my opinion matter? But, interestingly enough, wernos was very, very protective of Tyria and that ends up people end up believing that that is ultimately a motivating factor in her crimes, and I got a theory on that. I do want to share with you my theory is whatever they said.
Speaker 2:is they some buffoons?
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:Protected of her. That makes you kill people.
Speaker 1:Think about it. Let's think about that. Yeah, think about it.
Speaker 2:I mean it could, but the odds of like those people hurting. Wait, what was her name? Tyree.
Speaker 1:Tyree.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't even know if I'm saying that right, but I want to come back to that. Don't let me forget. All right, because I want to share with you what I think. But she's going to later. Ty tyria's eventually gonna later be the prosecution's star witness against eileen. Yes, spoiler alert um, some argue she killed for money and to rob these people. Some people say it was love, other people say it was rage. So do we ultimately know what her motive was?
Speaker 2:rage I think it's a combination of these things like I I've heard of like a few of her interviews and stuff. Yeah, I think it ultimately was rage 100 I think, I don't think they would rob for money or kill for money yeah, I think like there's like a I mean it's decent amount of money, but like it's not, like it's like a million dollars or anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe, maybe like a couple hundred bucks yeah, and I'll talk about a few of the things that she actually stole to, like, sell at pawn shops and stuff. But, you know, with everything that happened to her and a majority of it was at the hands of a man, yeah, you know, and all of her victims were men, so Do I think it had a An influence on that, but I think she was very, very angry and took it out on these men Probably.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Probably, but at the same time, this is my theory on the other part of it, let's go ahead and talk about it. Maybe she was in her own mind Now for us to say, oh, she's not protecting Tyria from anything, but in her own mind is she protecting her from these men well, was tyria also doing the same work?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think so yeah it makes a little bit more sense. Get him off the streets before you're thinking too literally about it.
Speaker 1:She's not thinking like we are, like of course it's not going to protect her because anybody could hurt her right yeah but in her mind, men consistently hurt her badly and abused her badly. Yeah, so by her killing her, these men, is that in some some shape or form protecting tyria? Does that make sense? Yeah, it's interesting, but enough of that, let's talk about the murders. Excuse me, you're excused. Are you ready to talk about murder, or do you need a little gas break?
Speaker 2:I'm ready.
Speaker 1:Okay, murder number one Richard Malloy, old Dick Mallory, age 51. He was killed on November 30th 1989. He was an electronics store owner from Clearwater, florida, and later it came out that he had a prior conviction and I'm very careful about my words here because some people are triggered by certain things but he had a conviction for abuse against a woman and his body was found several days later in a wooded area near Daytona Beach and he was shot four times with two bullets in his left lung. Now Eileen said that he did some violent things trying to abuse her and that she killed him in self-defense. But this claim would then, you know, kind of spark debate, since his past kind of corroborated but kind of went with what?
Speaker 1:she said um, but it also raised some more suspicion about her motive raised some more suspicion about her motive in the other murders that wait.
Speaker 2:So did the police, like a mean like, did like she like, tell them that she killed this man?
Speaker 1:or how did no, like they didn't find out this until like much?
Speaker 2:later trial and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah all right until she was like she was talking about all the murders. At that point I think ah yeah, so, um, the next one, david spears. He was killed. Now she went a pretty good while between the first one and the second one, the first one was november 30th 1989, the second one wasn't until may 19th of 1990, so you're talking a good six months later. Six and a half months later his name was david spears.
Speaker 2:That's what or sorry, I mean no go ahead. That's what I'm saying. It might not be rage because, like six months in between, now I feel like it's calculated yeah, did he did.
Speaker 1:He have prior convictions no known history of violence, and his murder seemed to be much more like execution style than the first one now.
Speaker 2:Now my theory might be wrong. So I was thinking she was like she knew about his past and saw him, or I don't know how it worked exactly, but like she somehow knew that. And then she said like whatever, and knew she could get away with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, but David here. He was a construction worker from Winter Garden and his naked body was found in Citrus County and he was shot six times.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but no known history of violence for him and, like I said, it was much more execution style of murder. The third victim was may 31st 1990, so only we're talking a couple weeks later yeah charles cars cadden cast, I don't know why does everyone have weird names bro? Man, I don't know. He was a 40-year-old man, he was a rodeo worker and he was traveling through Pasco County and he was found shot nine times Now. He was also shot with a .22 caliber weapon, just like the first two.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:And this was an excessive number of shots, which kind of suggests to me that as they're going, she's getting more and more pissed off, because the first guy was what two? Dick Mallory four times. The next one was six and now we're at nine. I mean, granted, it is a .22 that she's using, so a really small caliber, but dang.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it still is a lot.
Speaker 1:Nine times is excessive, no matter what you're using.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was probably dead after the first two or three, I would assume.
Speaker 1:I would think If he wasn't dead right away, he was going to die Now, two months later, in July, july 30th 1990. Troy Burris I don't even know how to say Troy Burris was a. Troy Burris was a traveling sausage salesman from Ocala what? No way, that's a real thing he was a traveling sausage salesman from Ocala where's Ocala? Florida. It's like a little bit south of Jacksonville, duval.
Speaker 2:Come on, duval.
Speaker 1:His body was also discovered in a wooded area in Marion County August 4th and he was only shot twice.
Speaker 2:Did he have any prior convictions?
Speaker 1:I don't think that he did. Yeah, I don't think that he did.
Speaker 2:Maybe it is that random.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:About the rage.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know. I mean because she was in that business and she was picking up a lot of men or they were picking her up. Rather that's how she made her money. There was only seven murders, so I don't know how she picked. I don't know if it was just days that she felt extra pissed off.
Speaker 2:Wait, they were picking her up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so she was a sex worker.
Speaker 2:Wait, what was she doing with the cars?
Speaker 1:She was ditching them. She was taking their cars and then ditching them later. She would use their cars for a little while. Yeah, but his family actually reported him missing right away and they actually found his van abandoned. But after she kills people people she takes their vehicles, like I was saying how far away was it abandoned from where his body was found? That is way too specific for any kind of research I'm gonna be doing all right.
Speaker 2:Where was the van located?
Speaker 1:these are all. This is all happening in florida, okay, yeah, so not far from each other.
Speaker 1:Like law enforcement is drawing the connection already same county they're not in the same county but they're close enough to where law enforcement even back um, you know, in the early 90s, late 80s. They're hip to that. These are connected and they they have something more than just a random murder of one on their hands. You know, not like the Bundy case where he was just going around killing all kinds of people and nobody was communicating and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Well, his murders were a little bit before. His murders were probably like what 70s. Yeah, 10 years before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, her next victim, dick Humphreys, age 56. I'm not making this up, man. He was killed on September 11th 1990. He was a retired Air Force major, former police chief and child abuse investigator.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Fully clothed body found in Marion County, which is where they also found that other dude, and he was shot six times in the head and torso.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 1:Like golly man. But this is where it's weird to me, because the irony right, this guy was a police chief, he was a retired Air Force major, a very respectable man, um and he spent his life protecting vulnerable people like her dude, this is definitely like I think.
Speaker 2:Dude, this is so confusing. Now, like, how does she pick these people like? Like it makes no sense.
Speaker 1:I honestly think she killed because she wanted to and because she had all this pent-up rage, and this was her way of getting back at the people that hurt her. Now. It wasn't the right way to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But, like this, guy spent his life and his career protecting vulnerable people yeah and like why wouldn't, as a child abuse investigator. Why?
Speaker 2:wouldn't. Why would she? I mean seven's a lot, but like why wouldn't she? I bet she does way more than seven. Uh in it, like you said, it was like 12 months, so a year yeah, it was a year like why wouldn't? I mean not saying she should have killed more, but like it's just weird how she only kills seven. She's doing so many At that point. Just kill them all. I mean not saying it like that, but like if you have that much rage, why, are you just killing seven?
Speaker 2:Yeah, across like a month, like the shortest period was like what? Two, three weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a couple weeks and that was like only one time.
Speaker 2:The other ones have been like months apart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything else is pretty spread out for the most part. Her next victim is Walter Antonio, truck driver and former police reservist, and he was found nearly nude in Dixie County, shot four times and then his vehicle was later found abandoned in Brevard County nearby. So yeah, kind of the same song and dance. Yeah, vehicle abandoned, man went missing.
Speaker 2:How many times did he get?
Speaker 1:shot Four times. Peter Seams, age 65, disappeared June 7, 1990. So a little bit before that he was a retired merchant seaman and Christian missionary.
Speaker 2:What's a merchant seaman?
Speaker 1:I don't know. He worked on a boat. Oh, a seaman. Oh, all, right, yeah, his body was never found. But his car was located two weeks later, crashed in Orange Springs, florida. But this gave us a key clue Witnesses saw two women fleeing the crash site and they saw Eileen and Tyria fleeing from the crash site. But let's back up just a second and kind of talk about you were asking about like the distance for everything and all that, but let's talk about how law enforcement started connecting the dots and how they started to kind of solve this thing. So law enforcement agencies across multiple Florida counties noticed the similarities. Like I was saying, victims were all middle-aged men last seen traveling by themselves, all found naked, or at least like mostly naked.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or partially naked, and they were all shot with the same 22 caliber weapon. So they were actually able to uh link these cases based on on ballistics and the victimology.
Speaker 2:So wait, what's ballistics type of gun or weapon?
Speaker 1:the bullets they recovered and the you know ballistics stuff from the weapon. All right that was used and evidence that leaves behind, Like every weapon leaves different. It's almost like every weapon has a fingerprint. It's not a fingerprint, obviously, because it's a gun, but Like they're all different somehow.
Speaker 1:They're all different so you can link. If I use, you know know, the same gun to commit 10 shootings and law enforcement was able to get the casing from all 10 shootings, they could link them all together and say the same gun fired all these rounds, yeah, yeah, so that's, that's what they did in this case too. That's a um, they were still able to do that back in 1990. But um stolen property I mentioned she would take stuff from these dudes, um, and go and pawn it. So eileen would go and pawn and she did pawn several items belonging to the victims.
Speaker 1:Uh, the most important to this case was a radar detector tools and a camera. And a radar detector is kind of like an old school thing, because now we've got Waze and stuff that tells us when cops are around. But people would put radar detectors up in their car windshield and it would beep if there was a cop. You know, running radar or whatever. It was really popular back in the 90s. I don't know of all too many people still using those, but um, she would. Actually, when you pawn something at a pawn shop, you actually have to um sign something for it and show id most of the times, or at least that's how it's supposed to go yeah but she was actually signing the pawn slips under her real name and left fingerprints behind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not too intelligent no, and you know, when I was investigating uh major crimes, pawn shops were huge.
Speaker 2:We had a system where we could actually uh go in and type in somebody's name and see if they pawned anything anywhere yeah, but it's not like she's pawning something that's like specific to like one person, like I've seen some like or kidnappings or killings. But I actually think I saw one where someone um sold like someone's class ring or something like that or someone's ring. It was very weird.
Speaker 1:That's very specific and very easy to connect the dots there.
Speaker 1:But um so the the peter seems guy signs whatever his name is that crashed, the car that crashed yeah, yeah, yeah so they found that car abandoned and wrecked and that's where two women had been seen fleeing the scene and and witnesses helped police uh create a composite sketch based off what they saw, because there was actually witnesses to to that car. So the sketches actually matched eileen and tyria and they were known. They were pretty well known in daytona so the locals known them as lee and tyree, all right. So tipsters actually contacted the police after seeing the sketch and recognizing them, um, and snitched on them. So there was probably some kind of reward and they were all trying to cash in.
Speaker 1:But, um, she was arrested. Uh, warn us. Eileen was was arrested at the last resort biker bar in port orange, florida, and police were actually in there like hanging out with her, uh, undercover, because they were trying undercover. They were scared of her. You saw some of the videos and stuff. She was a little bit scary man. So police actually wanted to be really careful and they actually went undercover and ultimately arrested her in that bar without incident. But probably the biggest thing in this case and for the prosecution is they were able to get Tyria and they were able to flip her.
Speaker 1:So, Tyria would eventually snitch. So she was scared that she was going to get prosecuted and she probably was. But she agreed to cooperate in exchange for her own immunity. So what police did was they put her up in a hotel and had her call Eileen multiple times over several days.
Speaker 1:So this went on for a little while. All these calls were recorded and Eileen eventually confessed to her over the phone, um, and she told tyria that she did all these murders to protect her. Yeah, and that's. We talked about a little bit about that um earlier, but you know, this is one of those cases where this case didn't get cracked because there was some crazy breakthrough in DNA or forensic science. It was human behavior.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Greed. She got greedy she. You know, tyria panicked. Eileen trusted her when she shouldn't have. Can't really trust anybody, to be honest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like she would have gone a long while if she didn't bring tyria with her yeah, I mean you got.
Speaker 1:You got tyria, you got these pawn slips, sloppy getaways you're crashing the freaking getaway car. Look, rule number one in a getaway, especially if you're driving away from that junk don't crash the car. Don't crash the getaway car. It works a whole lot better and you might actually get away. Yeah, um, and you know, ultimately tyria's survival instinct was stronger than her loyalty to eileen. So, um, in a nutshell, eileen got caught because she left her seats, literally left her seats.
Speaker 2:Actually it's pretty funny.
Speaker 1:You liked that, didn't you? Yeah, I'm pretty good at this podcast, John. Hey side note Did we tell the people that we are worldwide now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are.
Speaker 1:We are a worldwide podcast. We have not only been listened to in the United States. Hit them with it somewhere else.
Speaker 2:Well, canada doesn't count, but canada does count, it's a whole nother country. Man, they speak english and like it's not across water, whatever, but we also got to listen from singapore.
Speaker 1:So if you are a singapore friend, um welcome welcome back my friend, you're.
Speaker 2:You're our favorite even though you're probably just using a vpn. But look, we're gonna remain positive, we got.
Speaker 1:We got fans in singapore, bro. All right, here we go. Let's talk about the trial. So she was first tried. Eileen was first tried. Like I said, tyria got a full immunity so she's good.
Speaker 1:She's good to go. Wuornos was first tried for the murder of Dick Mallory in 1992. She was found guilty and sentenced to death. She actually received six death sentences total. Her courtroom demeanor is something. It was very unstable. She was paranoid, angry and really vulgar about it. Um, I saw some clips where she was like flicking off the judges on the way out and just cutting up in the courtroom dude.
Speaker 2:I heard one where he's like up in the courtroom. Dude. I heard one where he's like he said I did the most gruesome crime. I only shot him, not like I cut his penis off and put it in his mouth or something gross like that yo, I actually want to hold on.
Speaker 1:Let me play that, because I think the people uh deserve to hear that one, because that was actually kind of funny, you ready.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as you know, and he said, I did the most horrendous crime in the whole wide world. Not true? I guess not. All they were was shot and left. If it was a horrendous crime, why didn't I shoot them between the eyes, cut their penis off, stick it in their mouth, you know do all kinds of gross stuff? All they were was shot and left, you know.
Speaker 1:That was actually a clip from 60 Minutes Australia. Yeah, dude, she, yeah, she was a fun one. She was interesting yeah For sure. Yeah, she was a fun one. She was interesting yeah For sure. But that, like you can see just in that if you actually watch that video or that 60 Minutes episode.
Speaker 1:But even just listening to that clip of her, she wasn't all there and I think a lot of it had to do with her upbringing and what she had been through in life. You know she was in survival mode and she probably did have a ton of pent-up rage, but in those clips and videos of her you can see she's in distress, just mental and emotional distress. So it's a bit sad to be honest. Distress, so it's. It's a bit sad to be honest, but you know, um, she was ultimately, uh, she wanted to be executed. Like she actually made it her attorney's goal, like a I'm trying to get the death penalty. So if you could just like get me the death penalty, that would be great. Yeah, but in 2001 she ultimately dropped all of her appeals and said she wanted to die and she was executed by lethal injection on October 9th 2002. And her final words I'll be back, like Independence Day with Jesus, you actually do a better impression of her than.
Speaker 2:I do. All right, hold on, read it to me again.
Speaker 1:I'll be back, like Independence Day.
Speaker 2:I'll be back, like Independence Day I got Jesus with me.
Speaker 1:That's good man, that's pretty good. You do a heck of an Eileen Wuornos man. You know, at the end, in my, my opinion, she didn't see herself as human anymore. She was very apocalyptic and disconnected from reality yeah that's.
Speaker 1:That's trauma or psychosis or or both something I believe it was really. I think what we're seeing is is trauma. But you know, she she went a lot in these interviews saying at one point she was blaming the police, saying that you know that she was leaving plenty of evidence behind and they didn't do their damn jobs and they should have arrested her and saved all these guys. This is their fault, they died.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it wasn't my fault. The police, they can't even stop me. I was leaving plenty of evidence, they just wasn't catching on to my trail.
Speaker 1:Dude, that is hot. I feel like I'm talking to eileen warnos right now. That's crazy, man. Since when are you so good at that?
Speaker 2:I've always been good at this that's pretty good man.
Speaker 1:But you know, I do want to talk a little bit about with you about, um, oh, you know what, before we get into that, what was her last meal? Yeah, dude, she. She was kind of a G, I'll give her that man. She didn't want a meal, all she wanted was a cup of black coffee and a cigarette, like that's some serial killer stuff right there, dude what. Yep, yep, black coffee and a cigarette.
Speaker 2:They gave it to her. Yeah, she got it.
Speaker 1:I mean, you got to think about it. Most people are requesting all these lavish and expensive last meals, and all she wanted was a cup of black coffee. She didn't want creamer in the junk.
Speaker 2:Dude, if I was, was them. I feel like some serial killers. If they don't want to get executed, they should ask for a fruit that's out of season.
Speaker 1:Think about that oh, do you think like trying to delay it by getting them on some wild goose chase for a fruit?
Speaker 2:december. Like there's like no strawberries. Like, hey, yo, I want four pounds of strawberries I wonder if anybody's ever tried that before. That's pretty funny, I don't know, but like that'd be, like that'd be pretty smart yeah, that's pretty, they probably just say no, pick something else.
Speaker 1:But probably so. That's pretty funny, though. Uh, yeah, man, it's, she's. Uh, eileen was a character, yep for sure. Um, I don't, maybe we can knock out her last meal and ted bundy's at the same time, we're gonna need something to drink with our steak and eggs. Yeah we're gonna have to do a little bit better job of picking these people, because I've been pretty upset about the last meal selection so far did holmes get one yeah, he had. Remember it was hard to exit toast.
Speaker 2:It was lame, bro um like me if I'm requesting last meal. I want want shrimp, crab steak, baguette, pasta, breadsticks.
Speaker 1:Exactly Me too, man Chips and salsa, tacos, everything bro. Yeah, I don't know what they limited or what, but that's definitely something.
Speaker 2:Even if they do limit it. I'm like, let me get a steak.
Speaker 1:Might as well try what you got to lose. They're gonna kill you anyway.
Speaker 2:They don't kill you anyway diet man, I do baha blast did that even exist?
Speaker 1:back then, baha blast hold on. Let me check no, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't. So let's 1984 on my bottle, or 1948 Mountain Dew. Maybe Mountain Dew Baja Blast ain't been around that long. We're gonna have to get back to that. But um, you want to rate her? We got time to rate her all right, let's do it you. You know, there's dude. There's some fun facts about this case. I guess they're fun facts. Charlize Theron won an Oscar in a movie where she actually played Eileen Wuornos.
Speaker 2:Oh, for real In the movie, yeah.
Speaker 1:In 2003,. The movie was called Monster.
Speaker 2:Was the movie good?
Speaker 1:I guess. So If she won an Oscar for it, like that's the highest award you can win as an actress. There were documentaries by Nick Broomfield that kind of reveal her unstable mental state. She really became this controversial figure because to some she's like this feminist icon, because she was killing guys that deserve to die in their eyes yeah um, but I think she did a really good job of selling that and people didn't know any better.
Speaker 1:Um, you know the other half of those people, of people anyway. Uh, thought she was just a cold-blooded killer yeah um, but her.
Speaker 1:Her story actually sparked a lot of debate on mental health and the treatment of women in the justice system, but you know a lot of it. It just doesn't make sense to me because I do feel bad for Eileen. She was born and didn't have a freaking chance man. Every but every man that she knew in her life that was supposed to protect her, was supposed to love her failed failed. And not only failed, but they abused her instead yeah, and her father abandoned her right at birth.
Speaker 2:Or and her father abandoned her right at birth.
Speaker 1:Her mother abandoned her. Her father was abusing kids and went to prison and killed himself, and then her brother was taken up in an inappropriate relationship with her. She didn't stand a chance, man. I feel bad for her and I want to believe that she was this woman that was going out and killing men that were being mean to sex workers or doing bad things to sex workers.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I just don't think that's the case. I want it to be, I really want to be on her side and believe that's true, but I just don't see it.
Speaker 2:Me neither.
Speaker 1:The first guy. It's weird to me, man, because she kills that first guy and then seven months goes by, but then after that it was like full speed ahead yeah you know. So I wonder you know, maybe she did have you know a reason to kill that first guy, because he had a history of abuse, and then maybe he did do something to her or tried to, and she killed him, which I'm all for that, but what happened after that? There's so many things I can sit here and theorize about.
Speaker 2:Greed, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was greed, because she could steal from anywhere.
Speaker 2:No, I'm talking about killing. Maybe, or she got cocked or whatever Did it unlock.
Speaker 1:I mean, did it unlock this rage inside of her? I?
Speaker 2:don't know.
Speaker 1:Did he, did he, did he? I mean, think about this. I mean, this is one thing I go back to is did he actually try to do something to her? That was terrible, and it just send her over the freaking edge.
Speaker 2:In my opinion? I don't think so, and I think he just had a history. So they're like oh well, it must have just been that, so let's just she.
Speaker 1:yeah, like whatever I wish I had the answer to why there was that big break for her is tyria still alive I? Don't know. Probably this wasn't terribly long ago. I'm talking 35 or so years ago, so not too long ago. She probably is still alive, but Eileen's not.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:RIP, girl. Sorry you had such a crappy life, but you shouldn't have killed all them dudes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that wasn't nice.
Speaker 1:But you want to raid her.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We got some time, we can do that.
Speaker 2:Alright, let's do it.
Speaker 1:All right. First category is brutality.
Speaker 2:I'll give her like an eight.
Speaker 1:Eight. Yeah, that's pretty solid, I mean realistically. She was, in her own words, she would shoot them, dump them. Yeah, shoot them up, dump them. They just happened to be naked because they were, you know, picking her up as a sex worker. Creativeness.
Speaker 2:Like a five.
Speaker 1:Five. Yeah, Nothing super creative about having a guy pick you up, shooting him, dumping his naked body out on the side of the road. Intelligence.
Speaker 2:Zero, zero yeah.
Speaker 1:Why Zero? Yes, all right, tell me more about that sword.
Speaker 2:Dude, she messed up in every single way possible, mm-hmm. She even admitted she left so much of a trail. And, dude, why would you bring your girlfriend with you to the crime you're committing?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, come with me to commit a murder, yeah.
Speaker 1:Makes no sense. Yeah yeah, I'm kind of with you there, so I don't think she's going to be very high on the running on our list of serial killer ratings.
Speaker 2:huh I mean, if there's a ranking for like, should we make a gangster ranking? She get a 10 in that you want to.
Speaker 1:We're gonna make a, we're gonna substitute a category and put gangsta yeah and put her at a 10 yeah was it? Was it the murders themselves, or was it dude? The overall picture interviews bro y'all have got to go check out eileen warnos's interviews. Like go to youtube and just put her name in there and watch it. She's highly entertaining. She's obviously going through some kind of mental distress, but, um, you know, like I said, yeah, we were listening to the 60 minutes in the car, australia.
Speaker 2:You should definitely listen that dude. It was amazing yeah, the 60 minutes dude, I was dying laughing most of the time. It was so funny it was pretty funny.
Speaker 1:But, um, you know, to wrap this up, eileen warnos didn't hunt these guys in alleys or dark parks and she wasn't, you know, secretive about it. She hunted them on highways. She was looking for for men who, in her mind, she deemed as a predator. Yeah, and you know. But justice, no matter how twisted that road is, doesn't allow revenge killings and in the end, it wasn't the system that saved her, it was the system that executed her and regardless of what, uh, you believe in, as far as this case goes, um, you know, were these men predators? Did she just think they were predators? Did they give her some sign and trigger her deep, deep trauma?
Speaker 2:or did they just look at her funny?
Speaker 1:maybe, maybe that's all it took with her, but did you just?
Speaker 1:raise your eyebrow it could have been that she was. She was in quite a bit of mental distress, uh, towards the end of her life, but, um, the day before her execution she was interviewed and she accused the prison of sonic pressure on her brain. So that just kind of goes to show you the mental state that eileen was in. And it's unfortunate man because, like I, like I've said several times, I think you know a lot of it's due to the fact that she was born into absolute chaos and the family that was supposed to protect her was ultimately the family that caused her terrible trauma that she was never able to recover from and ultimately led to a lot of murder and a wasted life.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's all we've got for Eileen Wuornos, and this is a very, very entertaining story, to say the least. So check out the movie, check out some of the documentaries that are floating around out there and check out that 60 Min Australia episode for for more information. But, like we've said on this podcast before, we like to keep everything pretty brief. We give our little opinions. We tell a story, um, but invite you to go do your own research, go find out more, go learn more, um, because we just try to fit this into one small, digestible episode where you can get the information, learn a little bit about the case, and you can do it in one commute to work or a couple at the most, instead of breaking it up into I mean, we could really break this story up into seven, eight parts, and same with Bundy and HH Holmes and the same with Israel keys all the episodes that we've done so far.
Speaker 1:But yeah, um, we appreciate you listening to us, um, just a dad and his kid trying to, you know, do something that's entertaining to us, and we're also learning a lot, um, and it's something that we enjoy doing together. So we hope that you guys get some entertainment about, you know, out of the things we're doing on this podcast and I hope you keep tuning in. Make sure you give us a download on iTunes, spotify, wherever you're listening, and make sure you give us a rating too, because that helps us if people are searching for a true crime podcast where they can find us. Go ahead, soren. You got any parting words, buddy?
Speaker 2:Don't get in the cars with strangers.
Speaker 1:Do not get in the car with strangers. Your parents been telling you since day one Don't do it.
Speaker 2:Stranger danger.
Speaker 1:Yo did she really say at least she didn't chop their penis off and put it in their mouth. I mean, she got a boy right. Anyway, follow the boys on TikTok, follow the boys on Instagram and handle it YSOSerial, and I hope you enjoy it, because this is YSOSerial. And that was episode four.
Speaker 2:See y'all next time.