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Dinner is Ready in Apartment 213 (Jeffrey Dahmer)
The quiet neighbor who always smiled politely could be hiding the most horrific secrets imaginable. Behind the door of apartment 213, Jeffrey Dahmer transformed his living space into a charnel house where he didn't just kill his victims—he consumed them.
Dahmer's childhood fascination with animal bones evolved into something far more sinister as he grew up in a chaotic household with an absent father and mentally unstable mother. By the time he obtained his own apartment in Milwaukee, his murderous compulsions had fully manifested. Between 1978 and 1991, he murdered 17 men and boys, targeting particularly vulnerable victims from marginalized communities.
What makes this case particularly disturbing isn't just the brutality of his crimes—the drugging, strangling, dismembering, and even cannibalism—but how easily preventable some of these deaths were. In one shocking instance, police actually returned a drugged, injured 14-year-old victim to Dahmer's apartment despite witnesses begging officers to protect the child. Their failure to conduct even a basic investigation, seemingly influenced by homophobia and racial bias, cost that young man his life and allowed Dahmer to continue killing.
The Milwaukee Monster's methods were meticulous and deeply disturbing. He attempted amateur lobotomies by drilling into victims' skulls while they were unconscious, hoping to create "zombies" who would never leave him. His apartment became a macabre museum of preserved body parts—severed heads in the refrigerator, skeletons in the closet, and torsos dissolving in acid. All this horror occurred while neighbors complained about strange smells but never realized what was truly happening just walls away.
Dahmer's reign of terror finally ended when Tracy Edwards managed to escape and flag down police. What officers discovered inside apartment 213 was described as "walking into hell"—a crime scene so horrific that one officer thought he heard screaming, only to realize the sound was coming from himself.
Join us as we explore this chilling case that forces us to confront uncomfortable questions about how prejudice can blind justice and how monsters can hide in plain sight. Subscribe now and follow us on TikTok and Instagram @YSOSerialPod for more in-depth explorations of the criminal mind.
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Hey where y'all been. It's been like a week and I had no new material. Hey, guess what? The boys is back, like they never made it. Welcome back to the greatest podcast on the planet. Why so cereal? This is episode six. Dinner's ready at Mark 2.13. Let's go.
Speaker 2:You know what one of my favorite things in the world to do is Soren?
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 2:Host this podcast that has four fans.
Speaker 3:Well, actually I think it's five, if I can include myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, no, we just play it. Welcome back to why so Serial, your favorite podcast, probably, maybe definitely. Welcome back to why so Serial, your favorite podcast, probably, maybe definitely. And boy, do we have a doozy for you today. But anyway, I'm your boy, corey. Say hello, soren, hello, everybody. Say hello to Soren. Well, you can't say hello to him because we're speaking to you through your speakers. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But anyway, that's beside the point. Soren, we are going to be talking about jeffrey dahmer. Okay, he is one of the most famous serial killers that there ever, ever once. Was you actually? So, unlike other people we've done, you've actually you watched some of the netflix documentary with me. What were your thoughts about after you watched that? Did you sleep last night?
Speaker 3:Dude, it took me a while to fall asleep. I kept thinking of Jeffrey Dahmer, because we were doing this podcast the next day. I'm like I probably ain't go to bed till like 1150. Just sitting there thinking about Jeff Dahmer.
Speaker 2:It's a chilling documentary, but it's pretty accurate to what actually happened, so that's. That makes it even more creepy yeah, I ain't gonna bend till.
Speaker 2:I saw a funny baby tiktok funny baby tiktoks usually help yeah oh, but anyway, let me hit my intro, intro, intro, intro. Let me get a little intro going to it. Neighbors complained about the smell, strange noises, but no one imagined that in apartment 213, a man was preserving heads in the freezer torsos in acid and eating parts of his victims. It wasn't just murder. This was Jeffrey Dahmer. Between 1978 and 1991, 1991 being the year I was born Dahmer killed 17 men and boys, dismembered. Most of them Can't speak today. Most of them Can't speak today. He dismembered most of them, performed necrophilia and even practiced cannibalism.
Speaker 3:What's necrophilia?
Speaker 2:Necrophilia. I knew you were going to ask that, bro. Necrophilia is he was getting. He was doing things to dead bodies that normally like alive people do, like when a man and a woman or a man and a man love each other very much.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know what I mean? Yeah, in this case it was he killed men. So anyway, let's get into his early life, dun dun dun. He was born on May 21st 1960 in West Alice, wisconsin. His parents were Lionel, who was a chemist, and Joyce, who was very mentally unstable, to say the least.
Speaker 2:Um, jeffrey had a very chaotic home life. There was just constant fighting. His mother had very severe depression and I know there was a couple of suicide attempts. Even um and his father was absent a lot he claimed for it was for work and stuff like that, but who actually knows? So jeffrey was kind of up against it from a, from an early age, and from an early age he developed a very early obsession with death and dead things. Yeah, um, he was really fascinated by bones and his dad, who I guess was really into science he was a chemist yeah, kind of showed him how to dissect animals and explain to him different parts of the inside of the animals and taught him, even taught him, how to bleach animal bones, and this developed a lot of curiosity for Jeffrey, especially when it came to dead things.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and did see this one thing in the um. So we were watching a documentary last night. So he gave his teacher tadpoles and at the end of the class she gave them away. I was like dang Like why?
Speaker 2:Dude Jeff saw this, followed the kid off the bus, went into his house, took them and I was like like, oh my god, jeff, you're a g puts motor oil in it yeah, he did some pretty messed up stuff to to animals and I don't know how much of that documentary was like dramatized or if that actually happened or not, but I think the point of that even it may have, but even if it didn't, it was just to show you inside of, like, how his brain operated. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it wasn't super normal. No, um, as a child he was really shy, introverted and just odd. Teachers that he had noted that he was kind of withdrawn, teachers that he had noted that he was kind of withdrawn. But when he would perform the this dissection of animals and stuff, he would actually keep their remains in jars and his dad him and his dad would ride around and pick up roadkill yeah and neighbors would actually just watch jeffrey skin animals, like out in his yard or whatever it was just like.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine like you just see your neighbor consistently out in the yard skinning different animals? It's not like it's a deer hunter or something, it's just like he's got random animals he found on the side of the road. He's just out there skinning them every day.
Speaker 3:No, I couldn't.
Speaker 2:It's just. I think a lot of his interest though wasn't like to be cruel, necessarily for fun, but I think it was just like he developed that extreme curiosity about anatomy and anatomy I cannot speak today. Anatomy, anatomy is that word I'm looking for. He had a lot of curiosity about anatomy and just the control. He didn't have a lot of control in his life and everything was so unstable. It gave him some sense of control over these animals. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But his family moved a lot and he just, with all these moves and the escalating chaos in his home, he just became more and more isolated. By high school he was drinking daily, taking liquor into class. He was known as the class clown for his weird antics. He had this outward appearance of I'm okay and I'm the drunken class acting funny. But in reality he was depressed and he realized that with his sexuality. He realized that he was gay pretty early in his adolescence, while he was in school and stuff, and I think he went a little back and forth about that and I don't, I don't know why, necessarily. I guess back then it wasn't as widely accepted by everybody as it is now and his fantasies about men kind of turned violent after a while and his fantasies turned into more of just imagining himself dominating and controlling men, especially ones that were unconscious, and these were things that he would said himself. Let's get to what we came here for His first murder. His first murder was in 1978.
Speaker 2:The young man's name was Stephen Hicks. He was 18 years old at the time of his murder. He was a hitchhiker who was actually walking headed to a concert and Jeffrey stopped and picked him up and lured him home to his house for beers. When Hicks decided that he wanted to leave, dahmer really freaked out about the idea of being abandoned by this man, and a lot of that, I think, came from jeffrey's childhood, where it was a lot of chaos. His dad was always leaving and he felt like no one accepted him. He felt like he couldn't keep friends. He felt like he really had nobody. So he had steven hicks there at his house and really took it personally that he wanted to leave, but really he just had a concert to get to yeah so he actually panicked in this moment and hit steven with a dumbbell like they were working out, and he hit him with a dumbbell.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 2:Yup Knocked him out and then strangled him to death oh my God. He then dismembered Stephen's body right there in his basement and buried his body parts in the backyard.
Speaker 3:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:He would later admits later say that he smashed his bones with a sledgehammer. He was trying to I don't think he expected this to happen. So this is where he's trying to figure out on the fly, kind of, how to get rid of this body without leaving any traceable parts behind. So he started smashing the bones up, yeah, to try to make them, you know, as scattered possible. And he would later say that the reason he killed Stephen was just because he didn't want him to leave. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And uh, I guess you could say mission accomplished. He definitely didn't leave.
Speaker 3:No, he didn't.
Speaker 2:So after the first murder there's, it's actually a really long time until he murders again. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Nine years goes by before he'll actually commit another murder. During this time, he goes into college and the Army. He spends a brief time at Ohio State University, into college and the army. Spends a brief time at Ohio State University and really what happened was he drank too much so he never went to class and just dropped out a short time after. I think he spent like a semester there, maybe Okay, and he actually was a medic. He enlisted in the army and was a medic in Germany, but he would eventually be discharged for alcoholism.
Speaker 2:So, surprise, surprise, right later reports uh come from his time in the military of him drugging and doing sexual things on fellow soldiers that he served with.
Speaker 2:So he came back to the us after he was discharged from the military and lived with his grandmother in milwaukee and he's having all these urges to do these devious things that he's kind of delved in a little bit. He's committed a little bit of murder, done a little bit of assault and drugging, yeah, and he's trying to suppress these urges. But he's having a hard time suppressing those things. He's actually arrested in 1982 for indecent exposure so he went and waved his ding-a-ling around somewhere and got arrested for it. In 1986 he was arrested for disorderly conduct and in 1988 he got arrested for drugging a 13 year old boy what yep.
Speaker 2:So sad part about that is he only served 10 months for that after assaulting this child. And when I say he served 10 months, he was on work release jail, which you know. He was in jail at night and worked during the day.
Speaker 3:That makes no sense.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't really. I'm not really sure why that happened, but he was on probation after that and the court ordered him to register as a sex offender, but the monitoring was just really lax, Like it really didn't mean that much back then, obviously because he would then go on to become one of America's most notorious and evil serial killers. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So this is where things are going to start to escalate. After this, in 1987, he kills a man in a hotel. His name is Stephen Tuomi Tuomi Tuomi Stephen Another Stephen Jeffrey claimed that he had actually gotten so drunk that he woke up next to this guy's dead body and didn't have any idea what happened. What.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but after that he began taking pictures of his body his dead body posed in different fashions, and then dismembered him and started disposing of his body. His dead body posed in different fashions, and then dismembered him and started disposing of his remains.
Speaker 3:Is there any idea on how he disposed of the remains acid or?
Speaker 2:I'm not sure how he disposed of the remains from the hotel murder.
Speaker 2:I'm not actually sure about that, but then he's actually at this time, he's living during this time period. He's living with his grandmother, grandma Dahmer. He then commits the murder of James Doxtator. Doxtator, doxtator, I don't know James. James is only 14 years old, oh my God. He also commits the murder of Richard Guerrero, who was 22. Both of these young men were both strangled and dismembered, and this is where he also begins to experiment with keeping skulls and bones as souvenirs, just like he did when he was a kid with the animal bones. Yeah, but that's a lot different.
Speaker 3:It is definitely a lot different. Now he's doing it with the animal bones, yeah, but that's a lot different.
Speaker 2:It is definitely a lot different. Now he's doing it with humans. Humans? Yeah, but in 1989, he molested a young boy. Oh my God. This young boy is actually going to come up again, though Someone related to him is going to come up in this story again, oh, okay. Despite this, he never served any significant jail time.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 2:He was still free to continue killing and the way Jeffrey Dahmer would lure these men in. So let's back up a second. After that arrest he would move into the Oxford apartments, and this is where he moves, into apartment 213. This is where it really gets crazy. Yep Okay, he was always living with his grandmother, so he always had to kind of hide what he was doing. He had limited space and, of course, didn't want his grandmother to see what he was actually up to. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So when he moves into this apartment in 1990, it gives him the freedom to kill without his grandmother getting in the way and his MO. How he would do this, you might wonder. Like how do you get you know 15 men to come back with you you know so frequently? Yeah, and we've already talked about it, he's like a social weirdo. So he would go to, he would. He would meet a lot of men who were either gay men, particularly of color, and runaways. So he he would offer them and he would offer them money to take pictures of them, oftentimes nude. So he would invite them back, offer them money to take photos of them and when they would get back, he would offer them a drink and he would put sedatives in their drink, he would drug their drinks.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:Yep. Oftentimes he would strangle his victims Necrophilia we talked about. He would dismember them with knives, yep, and he would then store their body parts in the freezer, the fridge and the acid-filled barrel in his living room. Things like that. It's disturbing, man, yeah, it's disturbing. But something that, uh, he would also do is I don't know if you know what a lobotomy is, but it was an old medical procedure where they would actually drill into the front of your skull and I think it's called the frontal cortex.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Frontal lobe Frontal.
Speaker 3:Something like that Front brain.
Speaker 2:Branial cortex, cranium thing, I don't know. They would drill in there and they would do something to something. I don't know. They would drill in there and they would do something to something and it controlled the part of your brain that controls emotion, personality, all types of things.
Speaker 3:It essentially would make you like a zombie? Yeah, like a robot. Wait. So what was this procedure used for? Like normally, like not killing people?
Speaker 2:Wait so what was this procedure used for? Like normally, like not killing people. So doctors, I think, believe that if they could essentially turn someone's brain off but keep them alive, like they wouldn't be crazy or what somebody called crazy anymore, but really what they were doing is just making them a zombie, so like they didn't really have much of a personality at all.
Speaker 3:Not only were they not acting out anymore, they weren't doing anything at all. No, I'm like what, yeah, and like that was like legal for a period of time. Yeah, like did they do it to like a lot of people they did it to people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like it's definitely, it was a thing, yeah, kind of blowing your mind right now yeah making you lose your full frontal cortex.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh what yeah, it's kind of crazy um and like I said before not only did he store these bodies but, like I said before, not only did he store these bodies, but he spent some time. You know, he spent his whole life dissecting animals and stuff, but he also worked in different delis and stuff like that cutting and slicing meat, so he was very familiar with his way around a knife and he eventually started eating people's biceps, their thighs and their hearts eating people's biceps, their thighs and their hearts and his reason for this was he was making his victims a permanent part of him. We talked about how he hated for people to leave him and it just kept happening over and over and over again. This was his way, by consuming their bodies, that he was making them a part of him. Yeah, you ever heard like two people that are in love they're like oh, I just wish I could crawl inside of you. You know. Like they're so in love that this will like actually like join as one, like Jeff. You never heard that before.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Like oh, you're so cute, I just want to eat you all up no, no you've never heard these things, I mean not from someone that's like under 50 anyway, my point is still gonna. My point is still gonna remain. Jeffrey dahmer took that way too seriously, like he said. If he said that to you, you were my boy, you were done, okay, yeah, you were so done and you should be probably a little bit scared yeah, I would be I can't believe you haven't heard that before.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know that I have either. Really, who am I talking about? I'm gonna eat you all up I never mind you want to talk about another murder? Yeah, let's talk about another murder ernest miller. Jeffrey dahmer murdered him in 1990. Jeffrey would actually keep his entire skeleton, his heart and his biceps, and he said that ernest miller was the one he wanted to keep forever.
Speaker 3:So he basically kept all of ernest and like that was the one for him what do we know what ernest looked like?
Speaker 2:I don't offhand, no, but Tony Hughes would be his next victim in 1991. And he was deaf and mute and he he couldn't hear Dahmer's drug laced offer and he was eventually killed and dismembered, just like the others. But that young child I told you about the one he got arrested for in 1989. This is where his name comes up again, his next victim. His name was conorack. I'm not even gonna attempt to say his last name, conorack. In 1991 he was 14 years old. He was the brother of that victim in the other crime well that he was arrested for.
Speaker 2:So he goes through his usual spiel with conorac, brings him back up to his apartment, offers him money to take pictures of him, um, and conorac actually calls him out and says that he remembers him and knows who he is.
Speaker 3:Uh-oh.
Speaker 2:So I think immediately Jeffrey starts to freak out a little bit. Yeah. I would. I mean that's alarming. Now he probably thinks he's caught, but Conor Rack said he needed the money and was willing to do what Jeffrey asked of him. But Jeffrey drugs him and I talked about that lobotomy earlier. So what Jeffrey would do was do his own form of a lobotomy on somebody.
Speaker 3:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:Except he doesn't have medical tools. He's got a DeWalt drill that he got from Lowe's the other day and he's actually after he drugs Conrad, he starts drilling into his skull.
Speaker 3:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:And he would inject these men's brains, their frontal lobe or whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 2:He would inject it with chemicals to essentially perform his form of a lobotomy that's crazy and he started to do this on connor act, but I guess took a break to go get some more beer. Like I don't know at what point, during a homemade makeshift lobotomy, you decide that you're like, oh, shoot out of beer. He actually leaves the apartment but he thinks he's safe because conorac is just so out of it from being drugged. Um, but conorac's able to get up the strength to escape from the apartment. Now he's completely naked. He's completely naked, he's drugged and he's bleeding because he just had his skull drilled into with a D-wall. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, and thankfully in this moment somebody called 911.
Speaker 3:Let's go, gee.
Speaker 2:Police get to the scene, they're talking to him and there's actually some people out there with Conorac and Jeffrey Dahmer walks right up to him and this is where you start to see a little bit about the person of Jeffrey Dahmer. He was the social outcast Probably the first social outcast, truly, that we've really dealt with.
Speaker 3:Yeah, everyone was kind of normal.
Speaker 2:Everyone else was kind of normal. Jeffrey was not. Jeffrey was that stereotypical loner, outcast weirdo that you normally think of when you think. What pops in your head when you say serial killer? Um, but he's able to speak so confidently, so clearly, articulate what he's saying. Uh, he's able, he's believable, yeah, and he doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary. He's smart enough. He goes right up to the cops and he says, oh, that's my boyfriend. He's so drunk right now why don't you just let me take him back home?
Speaker 3:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:They go back and forth a little bit and they eventually, the police, go back upstairs with Conor and Conor can't even speak To defend himself. They take him back upstairs, they get to the apartment and they see pictures of naked men. Jeffrey is telling them that they're a gay couple who's having a fight and that he's an adult. He's not a child. Gay couple who's having a fight and that he's an adult. He's not a child.
Speaker 2:The police asked to come in and look around a little bit, but at this point, like I said, being gay wasn't as widely accepted. Um, I don't think. I think people just had a gross misunderstanding of what being gay meant, or, yeah, like you're gonna catch something from someone which is totally not true at all. Um, but that's how these police acted with him. And they go in, they peek around the room a little bit. They actually walk to the edge of his bedroom, look, peek in the room a little bit and they're like oh, you know nothing. Nothing here. I guess you guys have a good night and please don't tell me there's something in there there was what was it?
Speaker 2:there was something in there earnest. What earnest was in there earnest earnest feet were sticking out from behind the bed what earnest, earnest, yeah, earnest. The one that he said he wanted to keep forever. His favorite one, ernest, was in there.
Speaker 3:He didn't even try to hide Ernest.
Speaker 2:His little piggies were sticking out from the end of the bed.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Dude. This is insane.
Speaker 2:And there's pictures of dead bodies and naked men all over the apartment. This is where it's really messed up, man, because if someone looks like a child, they can't speak. I don't care what somebody's telling me. As a cop, I was one, so I know exactly what I would do. Yeah, I need to see identification. Jeffrey said he lost his ID. Okay, if he lives here, where are his clothes?
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 2:Where are his belongings?
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 2:Show me If he's letting you in his apartment. Show me, show me something with his name on it. If he's truly 19 years old, like you saying, he's gonna have something, if not a driver's license, a freaking library card, a freaking bank card, a checkbook at that time, something yeah a pair of sneakers.
Speaker 2:You got to show me something. I'm not just going to peek around the bedroom, especially if he looks as young as he did, because he did look really young and the people that were outside are like basically begging the police not to let him go back up there with them. And these police are just thrown off by the fact that they're gay, so what? It should make no difference in what kind of investigation you're doing.
Speaker 3:It should make no difference in general. Exactly.
Speaker 2:But they failed to do a proper investigation. Take the boy who's escaped the grasp of Jeffrey Dahmer back to Jeffrey Dahmer. They took him back. They might as well have opened the casket and thrown him in themselves.
Speaker 3:But unfortunately for this kid, he didn't even get the decency of a casket. You know, do do head Again back-to-back episodes.
Speaker 2:That's terrible, terrible police work Like it doesn't get any worse.
Speaker 3:How Like I don't understand the one in Gary Wedgeway, but it's not even this bad.
Speaker 2:No, it's not.
Speaker 3:Dude. How sad is that.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine it's horrible. I just I can't wrap my head around that part man, because like was that like earlier, later in his killings?
Speaker 3:no, I mean, it was it was pretty late, but still, if they couldn't, they couldn't stop some from happening there was a few they could have stopped that one they could have stopped that one they could have arrested him right there for the murder of Ernest if they would have actually done a full investigation. Or maybe looked in his fridge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, after Conorac, besides him himself, matt Turner, oliver Lacey and Joseph Braidhoft were also killed. Those were all in 1991. It seemed like after Ernest in 1991, I don't know if he was just chasing his next Ernest air quotes. Yeah. You know his next favorite. Yeah. But it really picked up because all in 1991, you have Tony Hughes, the deaf mute guy, conor Act, matt Turner, oliver Lacey and Joseph Bradhoff.
Speaker 3:So they could have saved like four people. They could have saved that one dude.
Speaker 2:They could have saved three other ones. They could have saved four. Yeah, four. That's a lot. If you can save one, it's worth it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But even after those police left, Jeffrey's neighbor, who I think was also his landlord maybe not, I could be making that up she actually called the police and was like hey, what happened with that child that we called about? Like is the child okay? And they're like oh no, ma'am, they're just gay and he's actually an adult, god bro. And she's like are you sure? Like did you like double check because that was a child? And they're like no, ma'am, that's uh, that was an adult and they were having an argument and he's free to do whatever he wants to. We took him back home.
Speaker 3:At least she's a G, though.
Speaker 2:She is a G. She tried. She was like are y'all sure? Because, like, did y'all really really check? And they're like, yeah, we checked, he's an adult. What do you want us to do? And I never heard what, if anything, happened to to those cops, or heard like any comment from them afterwards.
Speaker 3:They should have been terminated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I don't know what the police standard was in the early 90s, but like they didn't do anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I never used official terms, like I'm mad about these cops, they should be terminated, not fired, terminated he said.
Speaker 2:I don't usually use official terms, that's how you know. You're just dead, terminated it's. It's messed up, though, man, because all it would have taken was just four more steps basic investigation basic.
Speaker 3:Went into the bedroom.
Speaker 2:Hands behind your back, not even that man. It's like find out who his kid is Exactly. Find out who Jeffrey is.
Speaker 3:Did Dom even like? Did he even give his name? Or the kid's?
Speaker 2:name. He gave his name and then made up a name for Conor. It's messed up. I just can't for the life of me understand why not one but two cops that were there couldn't figure this out oh no.
Speaker 2:I couldn't figure it out so stupid? Let's talk about how he got caught, july 22nd 1991, right the day before I was born, actually yeah, that is the day before you were born. Dahmer invited a man named Tracy Edwards to his house and tried to handcuff him, and Tracy's like what the hell, what the hell? And Jeffrey's like oh, I'm just playing, you know. And then he actually forces him to watch the Exorcist 3.
Speaker 3:What's that?
Speaker 2:It's a scary movie Like really scary Like an old scary movie and threatens him with a knife okay he's like holding him at knife point naked after he's taking some pictures of him making him watch the scary movie and the guy's like I don't really really mess with this stuff has he drugged him already or no? Uh, I think he was attempting to.
Speaker 1:At this point, he's getting he was trying to get him to drink a drink and he was, uh, going through his thing.
Speaker 2:So tracy immediately is not okay with any of this yeah so he's actually able to get away oh what and he runs um. He actually gets a scuffle with jeffrey but is able to get out, get away down the street. Luckily he's able to.
Speaker 2:He sees a police car oh my god, this perfect look so the crazy part about this is the way the cops handled this part of it was much better than they handled anything else, because tracy comes up to them and he's got a handcuff on and he just goes up to them trying to get help getting out of the handcuffs. He doesn't even say like anything else, but they're like hold on, who are you? Where did you come from? Like, how did this come to be? Tell me more about this. So he does, and they end up back at jeffrey's apartment yep which, thank goodness.
Speaker 2:Um, when they get to jeffrey's apartment they see polaroids, pictures of dismembered bodies and the cop, actually he picks up these pictures and he like double takes and he's like, holy shit, that's real yeah, like kind of like how you double take when you think you see a deer like yeah, yeah he, but this is a dead picture of a dead body. He's like oh my gosh, in the fridge there's severed heads, there's organs, various organs. In the freezer there's a 57 gallon barrel with three torsos in it dissolving in acid.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, please don't tell me ernest is still laying on the floor yeah, I told you he had his whole skeleton he's still there in his closet, and beyond that he had like an entire skull collection oh my god yeah, and he actually had preserved genitals too, so he had people's tally whackers in his closet too oh my god yeah, and cops would actually describe this scene as walking into hell.
Speaker 2:So I'm laughing because there's actually an account from one cop who says when he walked in the bedroom he thought he heard a scream, but then he realized it was himself. He walks in, he's like, ah, he's like hell, somebody's screaming oh shit, that was me. Oh, that's funny. Oh, sorry for my language there, but uh, yeah, for real. He said that like he thought he heard a scream but then realized it was himself wait, what did you say?
Speaker 2:you said my language, I said excuse my language, yeah, I said the s word, I know right, but as horrific as this crime scene was and as many bodies as there was, jeffrey never put up a fight with the police. He went with the police willingly. He was calm and he gave a calm, complete confession in horrifying detail. But he gave a calm, complete confession and horrifying detail. But he gave one. And he claimed that he killed to keep men from leaving him. Yeah, this was his way to have control. He never had control before and he was constantly being left and he wasn't being accepted. But this was his way to get someone to stay. Yeah, and he pled guilty. But insane. And the prosecution. The state would argue he was fully aware, he was methodical and I agree with that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He knew what he was doing. He knew it was wrong. He was crazy but he wasn was wrong. He was crazy but he wasn't criminally insane. He knew what he was doing and it was very methodical and calculated and the jury would find the same thing that he was sane and he was sentenced to 15 consecutive life terms 957 years in jail.
Speaker 2:Wow but let's talk about when he was in jail because he didn't serve all 957 years. He didn't even serve well. I guess he did get some sort of death penalty. We'll talk about this. Let's talk in prison. He was real odd. He would read the bible and kind of like joke about his crimes.
Speaker 2:He, of course he would I don't know if he was doing this like try to be funny and get people to like him or think he was some badass or something. I'm not really sure what his deal was, but he would actually like shape his food into different body parts and make the ketchup like blood oh my god and this would piss people off. Yeah, they didn't like it. He thought it was funny, but nobody liked it. Like everybody's.
Speaker 3:Like that's disgusting oh my god, someone killed him someone killed him what sure did.
Speaker 2:November 28th 1994 he was beaten to death by christopher scarver with a metal bar.
Speaker 3:I know killing people is not right, but that dude is a G.
Speaker 2:Scarver claimed that God told him to do it and normally, normally, yeah, hold on. Do we got the?
Speaker 3:We got the clap somewhere Play it.
Speaker 2:Hold up. Now let's do it. Let's give him one. This is for our boy, Christopher Scarper. Good job on that one, Chris. I don't know what you did to get in the prison, but if you did something screwed up, we take our applause back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we should probably look that up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably before we gave them one. But anyway, he said that God told him to do it and normally I would say that mofo is crazy. Yeah. But in this case, maybe God did tell him to do it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude, get Dumber out of there. He's like no more.
Speaker 2:Dumber and you know this whole story comes down to jeffrey's just desire for control, his fear of being abandoned and his weird sexual obsessions so how long was he in jail before he got killed? Uh, it looks like a couple of years. He didn't make it very long. Yeah, he was arrested in 1991 and he got killed in 1994 I was hoping he'd get the chair or something but you know his case highlighted just police negligence, yeah, and stupidity because they're four people not only that, but just systemic homophobia and racism.
Speaker 2:These were gay black men that were his victims or um, of some sort of uh you know ethnic groups, different ethnic groups and police had spots of racism. They had spots of homophobia and that was pretty evident in this case, like how they handled the whole Conor Act situation. Yeah. They were scared of gay people, which is? It's just crazy ridiculous.
Speaker 2:And you know, um, we learned a lot in this case about the dangers of ignoring victims because of the color of their skin or what their sexual preference is. It shouldn't matter. It should never matter in any circumstance, but you know, especially one like this. You're talking about someone's life.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There was countless document. There's been countless documentaries about Jeffrey Dahmer. There's been countless documentaries about Jeffrey Dahmer. If you want to learn more about the case or his victims or just the sheer craziness of the story and the things he did, like cannibalism and cutting up bodies and stuff, go watch one of those. There's a whole Netflix series on it. It's more like a movie almost. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You've seen it um scary the only bad part about that is the families of the victims kind of. They criticized that uh sensationalism of jeffrey dahmer, yeah, which I kind of understand that. But you know we're coming up on time here, so we're we're going to skip our uh ratings today and we'll have to do that. We'll have you do it on tech talk later, unless we can.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:But I want to kind of just wrap up. I do want to add one thing, though. We're talking about the victims families. Jeffrey Dahmer is one of the only people that said I don't know if he meant this or not, but he gave a full confession. But then he would come back like every other day with more details about a certain victim or information about a new victim, because he would remember something. He would call police in the middle of the night, and he said that he did this because he wanted every single family that was affected by what he did to have closure or to know what happened to their loved one. So he didn't want to forget or leave out anybody. Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2:So how genuine was that, I don't know, but at least, at the very least, at least, he was able to provide closure to these families. But all in all, jeffrey Dahmer wasn't some shadowy monster. He was a quiet neighbor with a polite smile and hiding a literal nightmare behind his door, his apartment door. And he didn't just kill these people, he consumed them. For years, people in his drug ridden apartment building smelled death. They may not have known what they were smelling, what they knew, they smelled it. They were smelling the death and stench of his crimes. And they never realized that inside of apartment two, 13, was a monster, a killer, cold blooded, disgusting human being. Want to rate him real quick. Want to rate him real quick. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Creativity, creativity 8.5. 8.5? Yeah, okay, brutality.
Speaker 3:Hold it. Can we change HH Holmes' intelligence again? Can we move him down?
Speaker 2:We can do it later. We don't have much time. Let's rate Dahmer and then we can worry about the other ratings.
Speaker 1:We move him down.
Speaker 2:We can do it later. We don't have much time. Let's rate Dahmer and then we can worry about the other ratings. We can post them. We need to post the ratings soon because, we've got quite a few of them now On our TikTok. If you follow us, we'll post Soren's ratings here sometime in the next couple of days. Intelligence, Since you were talking about it 8 what makes you say that?
Speaker 3:like he had bad grades and stuff, but like he planned this out really well yeah not to say that, but like.
Speaker 2:I think he only got bad grades because he was a drunk, yeah, and didn't go to class brutality 15, I think he only got bad grades because he was a drunk, yeah, and didn't go to class. Yeah, brutality 15. Yeah, I was about to say, dude, if your answer is anything but a 10 or above, you're crazy, because cutting someone up and eating them, yeah, exactly, gag, disgusting.
Speaker 3:What else is? There um execution execution nine, nine, so, so I'd like I would go lower there, I would would say seven.
Speaker 2:He did, he was quote unquote, successful at it, but people kept getting away. Yeah. People kept getting away. Yeah, people kept getting away and he would stop in the middle of crimes to go buy beer.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Like while he's performing a lobotomy in his apartment? Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2:You know.
Speaker 2:So that's all the time we've got for today. But, um, like I said before, if you're interested the the jeffrey dommer case, we could break this down in great detail and talk about it for days. It's a fascinating case. Um, it's one that very, very interesting just because of how brutal and disgusting it was. But I do agree with the victims' families. I think we need to pay more attention to the people we lost and hopefully their deaths weren't in vain. I hope that police especially learned something from their death, at least to help the police department be better and to help the country and people in general at that time just be better. Yeah, regardless of the color of someone's skin or their sexual preference or whatever, their life should be just as valued as anyone else's and their murder or crime should be investigated just the same. You know what I mean? Yeah, so hopefully their deaths weren't in vain and hopefully there was something learned from this case. But we're out of here if you don't already follow us on tiktok instagram. That's, that's all we got. It is.
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