Family Affair

In this episode the duo discuss the hot topic of the moment as they look into the Andy Byron/Coldplay situation. They look in depth and explore the different dimensions this story entails, whilst maintaining their humanity in understanding. They openly and honestly share and express their own viewpoints, and take the time to exchange the differing perspectives of the other.

We hope this conversation brings you light and understanding, and allows you to exchange judgement for empathy. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:20

Hello everybody and welcome to Yo Pop Podcast with me, Sean Williams.

SPEAKER_04 0:26

Good morning and blessings to you.

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We hope that everybody is feeling good and they're excited about their day and that you enjoyed the last episode that we did. Um now there's a lot been going on in the world, um, and we're gonna jump into that today, and we're hopefully going to extract some very uh important insights. Um, also have a little bit of fun, even in quite a serious topic and situation discussion. Um, but before all of that, Dad, how are you? I am fine, thank you. What makes you so fine? Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

Oh, the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. So have you been dealing with people not in the land of the living? Uh yes, people, but the Lord made it possible to deal with them. So you've been dealing with the dead? I said the Lord made it possible to deal with them.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Okay. Okay. And you slept well?

SPEAKER_04 1:20

Very well, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Good, good. Um, how how was your day yesterday? But it was fine. Mm-hmm. And your week so far?

SPEAKER_04 1:32

Um, just started. Yeah. So day one was wonderful. Okay. What was wonderful about it? It was that I am still alive, my son is alive, and everybody's alive that I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:48

So, Dad, um, there's a lot been going on in the world. And uh, I want to start today uh by showing you actually a little clip that obviously will run in real time so everybody watching at home can see as well. Um, and I'm very interested to get your idea. So you're not aware of what I want to talk about today, really. Um, but this hopefully should give it a little bit of context. So if you tap my screen and feel free to have a little watch.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

CEO Andy Byron, caught in the cold plate cheating scandal, has resigned from his role after failing to meet company standards. The married boss and his alleged mistress, Kristen Cabot, were caught off guard when their grinning faces flashed up on a big screen in front of 55,000 people at Boston Gillette Stadium. Byron had been CEO of Astronomer, valued at over$1.3 billion since July 2023. The company said in a statement, as stated previously, Astronomer is committed to the values and culture that have guided us since our founding. Our leaders are expected to set the standard in both conduct and accountability. And recently that standard was not met. Andy Byron has tendered his resignation, and the board of directors has accepted. Astronomer CEO Wow.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

So said CEO goes to concert with head of HR. That's his head of HR. Okay. Coldplay have this thing, Dad, where they during parts of the gig, so in basketball, certain matches, and also baseball, especially it's an American sports thing, they'll have a like a people cam or a kiss cam. So basically, if you go to uh a sports event or an entertainment event with your partner, it's a nice way for you to express your love and affection for that person, right? So he's obviously going with not the person he should be going with.

SPEAKER_04 3:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

And they are hugged up somewhere in the stadium. And what cameraman finds them, goes to them, and dad, here's where you knew something was wrong. Their initial reaction is what let the people know something was up. So when the camera goes and they see themselves on the big screen, they jump away from each other. And the singer goes, okay, either they're having an affair. So he announces to everybody in the arena, either they're having an affair or they're just really, really shy. This goes everywhere. And then over the next couple of days, when I say this has been everywhere, dad, I mean everywhere. Now, whilst the world is obviously having a bit of a moment with it, um, because there is a certain ironic humour to the situation. Um but my mind very quickly fell into the place of what I call the collateral damage that often isn't overly taken into consideration. Um, there would be a very embarrassed spouse somewhere having to either hide in the coffee line at Starbucks or sh wearing all kinds of disguises. Yes, yes. Um and because of the social media age, there is no way that that man's kids didn't go into their educational institutions and everybody not know what was happening, what's going on. And the other thing is, and especially when you live within an environment and a culture of means, right? Sometimes because everybody's on what it would appear to be equal footing, it's those situations that sometimes become the sticks but people gotta beat you with. Obviously, I looked at the situation, and my first initial reaction was just like I kind of I ironically chuckled to myself, and then because of my time in education and stuff, I I started to think about okay, there's other people involved here, um, and how do they get help or how do they find solace in a situation that they didn't ask for, but has been thrust upon them. And then I thought about lots of men and women that are particular potentially in the same position, right? And this might be the warning, um, but I'm also aware because of your time in ministry that firstly, Dad, we're all humans, and it is a part of human nature to make mistakes, right? It is how we rectify those mistakes that shape our character and allows people to understand who we are within. So as I was kind of thinking about um this topic, I wanted to kind of go ask you some questions based on your time in ministry because over the last 30 to 40 years, you've dealt with everything, you've seen everything. And I thought to myself, because we don't have access to all of the information, I haven't been able to find extensive information about his wife. I haven't been able to find extensive information about their marriage, I don't know what the dynamics and the setup is. I only know what we've seen, obviously, in an isolated moment. And then because of watching you in ministry, I can objectively step back from a situation and almost simulate what is and isn't there based on what might be happening in an action or an activity at any certain point. So that the first question I want to ask you is what on earth is going through that man's mind?

SPEAKER_04 7:54

Okay, um, shock, um, surprise.

SPEAKER_03 8:02

At being caught or how quickly something he thought he was in complete control of has just spiraled out of control?

SPEAKER_04 8:10

I think uh being caught would be the first aspect to it. Um because clearly the location would have been designed to give him certain coverage, you know what I mean? I mean 55,000 people are you gonna take out the CEO of that? And then for a camera to unintentionally or intentionally. Do you think somebody may have very much, very much indeed. Do you really think? Oh, goodness me. I mean, if it's a billion-dollar company. Indeed. And that that situation wouldn't have just happened at that moment in time. You know, there has to have been coming together, perhaps close, overly closer proximity.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

Um you mean between the gentleman and the woman.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

That's right. Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

The way that they that you saw the way that they were that was.

SPEAKER_04 9:11

And somebody may have it in for him and feel okay, this is the moment this is the moment to expose him, knowing the damage it would cost. And so, yeah, I think that would be likely to be the situation. So the first thing is shock. That's right. The shock, um, the shame, and of course, there would be a lot of emotions that would now be flooding his mind and her mind. You know what I mean? And obviously, all of that would in also engulf the consequences of his action and what implications he's gonna have with family, friends, neighbors, and of course, in this case, employment.

SPEAKER_03 10:03

Question Dad, in terms of your time in ministry when you've dealt with people that are trying to rectify mistakes of infidelity, what is the overriding feeling of the person that has done wrong? What has been their overriding emotion of expression to you?

SPEAKER_04 10:28

Ignorance.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

No, that's interesting because you'd expect someone saying remorse, right?

SPEAKER_04 10:34

But it's um ignorance is the number one situation. I'll get to that. Wow. Of course, you then have all the other common emotions. Remorse, yes, remorse, you know, I mean shock, fear, um, anxiety, and all of that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

Because I don't believe that since that concert, he couldn't have had a good night. He he hasn't slept.

SPEAKER_04 11:02

Absolutely. Um, he, you know, all of that would have been so he would be almost immediately suffering from levels of anxiety as to what's gonna mean for him and his spouse. Yeah, what it's gonna mean for him and his children, what it's gonna mean, of course, for his uh employment, because of course he's now famous for reason that if you're coming to do business with me, that, and I'm looking, um you can be talking about product, right? But I'm looking at you like Indeed, exactly. So they have that, and the security going forward of um this uh, you know, his collaterals, his family, etc. Because I mean, under such a situation, uh, a good lawyer for his um spouse would take him to the cleaners.

SPEAKER_03 11:59

Well, it's funny you say that because I was doing a little bit of research yesterday, um, and I came across this um, it's called the budget dog, and he is an online stock mentor. Um, and I really enjoyed what he had to say because he broke it down in what I would call uh an emotionally balanced way, because it was holistic what he was saying, and he was not only talking about he was saying that a lot of people are focusing on the fact that this is a man that makes half a million dollars a year, um, that he is CEO of a billion-dollar company, that the divorce can go up to anything of$25 million. Um, but he really started to layer in the what I call the deeper places that sometimes people that are on the skimming the surface miss. And he was talking about the trust broken within his family because of the position that he held and the job that he has, there would be a certain reverence to him because he's created the perfect environment, if you will, um, and that's without knowing what their chemistry dynamics like. And then that he was talking about the seed that he's now placed in his daughter on the basis of men that she will now look at. There will be things to almost heal because of what he's done and depending on what he does, the same way with his son, and it kind of opened up the onion, Dad, because there was all these layers that I hadn't necessarily looked at. So the question I wanted to ask you next would can it be fixed?

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Yes, it can.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

Okay, it can. What needs to happen, or what would what would what would the environment need to be?

SPEAKER_04 13:47

If I had to deal with that situation, uh-huh, I would bring both parties to task.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

To task?

SPEAKER_04 13:55

Yes. Um, both the guy and his spouse. You see, what you're looking at there is a blatant display of needs. Needs.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Oh, I'm gonna let you talk. I'm gonna get involved. One of us might be getting cancelled today.

SPEAKER_04 14:18

I'm very joking, but needs. Okay, you see, I would be saying to what's his name? Who the man, Andy Byron, okay, Mr. Byron and Mrs.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

Byron in this case. Dad, please, like we are in a minefield. Please, like, yeah, no, I mean, obviously, it's it's a it's a public thing.

SPEAKER_04 14:40

It's opinion. So I don't, I'm only I'm only doing what I just so I would be asking him what needs are not being met at home. See, and um the same question I would be asking. His wife's baron. What is she not? What exactly what needs are not being met? You see, if you This is deep, this is deep.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

No, I can see you getting comfortable. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

If you're coming down the road, are you going home? And you stop at the kebab shop. Of all the things you can stop at. Okay, go ahead. You get over the KFC because those things do not sit in the stomach like a rock, you know what I'm saying? So you fill your stomach with some kebabs, some um pizza, right? And you get home. Whatever is provided for you, you're not gonna want it. Because you're already filled up with something that you feel at that moment you need it.

unknown 15:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

However, if what is being prepared at home is gonna meet your needs and satisfy you, then you're going to say to the, you're gonna pass the kebab shop.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Just be like, yeah, yeah, I'll see you later, guys.

SPEAKER_04 16:14

Okay, simple. You know what I mean? I am not going in there because what I've got at home is more healthy, it's more full, it's more filling, and so I'll be far more happier having that. See, see, it's it's it's needs. See, so what I would be asking Mr. Byron, what is it that this lady is what needs is is she meeting that Mrs. Byron is not meeting.

unknown 16:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 16:48

And um vice versa. You see, you see, this is it. So one thing plays off against the other. Because sometime in the moment of success, in moments of success and achievement, the needs of people are not taken into account. And if you're gonna look at it biblically, who does it remind you of? Samson. You are fantastic in your in your group. Yes. But yet nobody saw the need. And the only one that did was the woman of the enemy. Precisely the precisely the point. You see, and that is often time where many people miss it, both in terms of therapy, because the general tendency is to favor what perceived as the victim. In this case, this is Barra. But does not ask the question why would you leave the best, the greatest, the sweetest, the most wonderful for something that is not the sweetest, the best.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

I mean, Dad, let's because you've to be fair, you've you've broken it into a space where I I hadn't attached the Samson paradigm to this. And now you have. I'm like, huh. Because he's Samson was so brilliant, yeah, that he didn't want, he didn't necessarily want to go home and be worshipped like he was in front of the crowd, but yet he wanted to be, I guess, vulnerable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:40

The thing, you see, he did he didn't he didn't mind being worshiped, it's just that people didn't see him.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

Yeah, they saw his position.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

100% and you know, with a person coming in with half a million, you know, I mean the Lamborghini, the holiday of the yacht. Yeah, that is oftentimes the deflection from the needs of individual and both sides of the fence that led to issues like that.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

Um so firstly, that was a brilliant answer. And on the basis of the answer you gave, where you said it can be fixed, then Dad, what would be the first steps to building back better?

SPEAKER_04 19:42

Is asking both what needs are not being met in each other's life. Because the tendency from what I said for most people is to go with the victim.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

You're really good at this. I'm being serious. There are certain times where we'll talk and I'll be like, oh, yeah, nice, nice, nice, nice. And there'll be other times when I'll be like, yeah, yeah, you're you're good at what you do.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

See, so um, so that is what I would need. And when I have cases like that, and especially if the lady comes to me and says, Look, this is what my husband did. In 99% of cases, people expect you to start to slug, slug slug off the husband. Doesn't mean our vice wife, whichever. So I would ask her, I am, tell me what does the other person have that you don't have. You don't just run over there and put everything at risk for a laugh, no. So rather than saying, okay, well, this guy should be, you know, fitting, um, uh uh living to specification, and oftentimes needs a uh dismiss. I mean, how would I ask the well tell me what is it that that person has? Because the answer to fixing the problem is understanding what is it that that woman who is like you is able to do to attract him that he could leave that's this security here and put it all at risk with somebody else.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

Dad, is there a version of events where he gets so used to providing, she gets so used to maintaining, that it's almost like you're passing ships in the night because You've acquired so much that the management of it has now I don't mean it's the way it's gonna sound it stopped being relational and it's more transactional where I'm ticking off my top. Duty, yeah, right, and they say that love is the death of duty. So then what you you sit and you say to yourself, then how did you allow duty to sneak in to the what I call the the the inner sanctum of the chamber of love to the point where it's like I almost want to say you lose the connectivity, Dad, because when to to get to that level, that level of partnership, Daddy, right? And then to get to a place where obviously when I look at that video, I'm looking at months, potentially years in the making. You don't get to that level, Daddy. You don't just sit there and go, Oh, yeah, we've been hanging out and this was fun, and okay, cool, let's uh go to a cold play concert. Um how do you maintain the connection, the chemistry, and the transparent communication that stops you becoming passing shit?

SPEAKER_04 23:21

Yeah, if you remember we talk about the seven principles of love.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Yes, we did.

SPEAKER_04 23:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Now you see, when those that book will be coming soon.

SPEAKER_04 23:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Yes by me from him.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

You see, now you see when that is the guiding principle, it is your point, it is the point in your life every day. You can assess the relationship based on those principles.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

How much emotions of love are you feeling towards each other? How much communication are you having with each other? How much time, humor do you share with each other? What are the levels of professionalism do you have? And of course, like in his case, he felt he needed entertainment, he felt he needed to be in an environment where was she?

SPEAKER_03 24:20

Do you think he got to a place where his life felt too safe, Dad?

SPEAKER_04 24:23

That can very, very much happen. But there is it's a very um deep and interesting topic. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

Because no, no, no, because the reason why I say that is because as much as we're looking at it from a male point of view, Dad, listen, without talking people's business, the way I see a lot of females move today, dad, it's historically, and I think on a societal basis, we we generalize or we we look at cheating or infidelity more so harshly from a male to a woman perspective. Yes. But what I've also seen, and if I'm honest, looking at what you've done in ministry and looking just at the the wider world, I have generally seen men very rarely come back from when they have been cheated on from the person that they loved, yeah, and and in those situations. So what I want to look at is not just obviously the context of the scenario, but it in in equal balance because in the same way that you said for him, there would have been needs that weren't getting met, and so on and so forth. In the same way, what makes a woman that has committed herself to a man decide to go, no, actually, I'm gonna go over there.

SPEAKER_04 25:47

Yeah. Well, what you wouldn't hear is the woman, the woman's background. Nobody knows whether she got a partner.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

Well, apparently she's also married as well.

SPEAKER_04 26:00

There, there you go. So you can understand why this need issue is so profound. You know what I mean? Secondly, the need is not only present need, but past needs. You see, you see, you see. You see, this is this is what Alpentheim people miss.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

And why they need that? I don't understand. So many of my friends, when they're like, oh, I'm getting married to so and so, the first thing I hear for is whether or not they're going to marriage counselling. Whether the reverend or the registrar, whoever's dealing with them, okay, what are you figuring out before you go into Precisely? Because it's almost like you carry these little boxes with surprise or question mark on it, and it's just like, why are you waiting till after you've sealed everything to go? Let me see what's in my box. Precisely the point. And then turn around and go, I didn't know that was in.

SPEAKER_04 26:53

Yeah, that is it. And these are why one has to consciously look at both situons' situation, because they may be coming from places that has created and and and cultivate characteristics within their lives that lend itself to what we are what we're seeing. And so at first glance, and that's why that's why people need that book. You know, I must apologize to everyone for not having it. You should not have it out.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Go on, apologize again louder for the people in the back.

SPEAKER_04 27:29

I do apologize for not having it out.

SPEAKER_03 27:32

But do you know what we're gonna do? Because um, and this is a good time to announce this to people. We are in the midst of writing a book, and I think because of how we're moving and this situation as well, this will be an amazing audiobook. That there are way too many people that are on the edge of doing something so stupid that they can't come back from if they could just have the right conversation and change.

SPEAKER_04 28:05

Yeah. And you see, in dealing with situations like that, is point of reference.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

Oh, it's just good.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

You know what I mean? Because if you're going to say to the man and woman, you know, where is your point of reference? Where is your where you find the lack in the relationship? Because love is contrary to what a lot of people you see making out love. Love is it's all fluff in most cases. Now, you see, love has different dynamics and different pathways, you see. For most women. Pardon? I'm joking. For most women, yeah. For most women, the pathway to love is security.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

Security, emotional support.

SPEAKER_04 28:55

No. Um, security and um creativity. In other words, what do you have for women to support? I mean, and I will show you that in the equation in a minute. So three things the security, creativity, and love.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

So you think on their priority listing, women go, right? Secure. Do you know? I I'd agree with you because the situation certain women will stay in, and you look at it, you go, just leave. But they're used to dad, that's clockwork.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

Simple, yeah. And now from the path of the man, it is love, support. Does it mean security? So it flips the other way around.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Emotional security for a man or or financial? What's that? You said for a man it's love, support, and then you said security. Yes. So is that emotional security or is that financial security? Um because there's a difference, isn't there?

SPEAKER_04 30:05

Yeah, um, emotional support, because a man by nature is a creator. Right. So therefore, he wants his helpmate. So that is where his support. So the support will lead him to continue his creation, which then of course his creation leads to security. Now, as it says with the ladies the other way around. Now, what is it? Now, I if I'm getting it right from the little I heard, she's his head of HR. Head of HR. What does the HR do? Helping to manage.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

Yeah, people support.

SPEAKER_04 30:44

So she'll get rid of the people he needs to get rid of. Helpmate.

unknown 30:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:48

Does it mean? And she would become his confident in that massive company. You know, you're looking at that. So in so doing, it helps not only supports him, but also help his security, because by virtue of that, he's getting his half a million or whatever he's getting. And she knows where the bodies are there.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

In HR, if you're gonna like, and the little I know because I haven't worked in that office structure, but them people in HR that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

She is, as I said, number one helpmate. And when a man has that in the proverbial box, I mean, he feels he's on top of the world.

unknown 31:36

Right?

SPEAKER_04 31:37

So that is where now the love lends itself now to where he's concerned and Mrs. Baron is concerned, it lends itself now to duty. So it's my duty to provide to petrol for the car, provide the car, provide the bill to make sure. And as far as in most cases, people are happy with that. I mean, so that is what you have, you see. In the case of Samson, for example, he clearly was anointed by God. Yeah, he goes out to battle and brings victory to Israel.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:18

So Israel is having a whale of a time because they've been victorious and they're you know celebrating, bringing. And they don't have to cry really. They just get to tear from the sidelines. And so nobody's asking where is the man that brought us this victory? See, someone's too drunk. Exactly. He's too drunk. Did he eat? Did he get did he get any kind of oppression? Because you couldn't have escaped in the night or in the evening or what this, and nobody even noticed that you're gone.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

Yeah, and what lie did he tell that that made it so easy that he goes, no one's gonna check.

SPEAKER_04 32:57

Yeah, because of course nobody's checking for his need. You see, when you look at what Jezebel did, it was incredibly simple. How do you mean? Because I mean, all she had to do was to, when he compromised his exploits.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

Do you mean Delilah?

SPEAKER_04 33:12

Del Salah, Delilah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry. You see me, all she had to do was to lay him out on the couch and rub him with his head and say, you know, feed him some grapes.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

He was he was singing like a song.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

That quiet space, you know, I mean that secure space. See, those are the things that leads to um to you ignoring uh, especially when you feel like you fulfill your duty. Yeah. Dad, I also want to ask you a question.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

In my head, I've sat and and I said to myself, because obviously I work in entertainment and media, so I understand the dynamics of moments when that camera pans, if he doesn't jump off her and she doesn't, and everyone starts ducking and trying to dad, the camera moves on in seconds. It would, it would have that's what I was saying. Which makes me sit there and go, right, inherently, they both know that they're they're involved and engaged in something that is not right because it without even dad. I I'm I'm sure in the time that's passed, he sat and he's thought, why didn't I just stand still? Or I could have done anything, I could have put my head down, I could have but that yeah, and that is one of the reasons I believe that um he was set up. Oh, you think he was set?

SPEAKER_04 34:58

I think he was set up.

unknown 34:59

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 34:59

That's what I mean. I think he was set up. I mean, I know uh people are brilliant and they can scan things and panoramic view and kind of stuff, but when you have somebody specifically target you as a person, flash you up, and the big screen.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

But that they will then argue and say this is something that Coldplay have been doing for years, that they they they constantly do this, people know that they do this, this is not something new in popular culture, yeah, but you'd still lean to the fact that you think somebody's had a conversation.

SPEAKER_04 35:36

I mean, who better to use than somebody who is doing this kind of stuff? Because these are not ice, you see, relationships don't just happen in a second.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

It's I mean it's so somebody knows. Absolutely, yeah, but it plays it plays over time if you can do that at a Coldplay concert, then there is no way that people within the office got you.

SPEAKER_04 36:01

Dinner, dinner, um, dinners, you know, socials, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Because we look at that. Obviously, there was this programme that I really love on Sky Atlantic called Billions, and it spaceally was about the the the American stock market, and it was amazing to see how insider trading happened because usually it's a friend tipping off a friend of that stock, exactly, or dumping that stock and uh yeah, and it would they would work with each other against something.

SPEAKER_04 36:32

Yeah, yes, and they were talking to each other, and nobody even know that they're telling them.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

And we don't know what's going on in the boardroom of astronomer and whether they're looking at him going, he's got too much power.

SPEAKER_04 36:43

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

And we if we have somebody want his job. Yeah, wow. So let me ask you a question because this this topic we could discuss this all day long. Um what does he say to his kids?

SPEAKER_04 36:59

I think I think it's not what he says, it's what they says. You see, the kids have to take um what I call a second place, and that is the kids are gonna be looking at how mommy feels. Unless he gets it right with her, then it's what is gonna lead to the children having long-term hatred, resentment, and all this kind of stuff for his children. Because at the end of the day, apart from the psychological narrative that's going in their mind, yeah, isn't it? Um nobody's gonna go around asking for can Mr. Byron's children put it, put their hands up, you know, no, it's I mean, it is what how he fix the situation with her, if he really wants to fix it, that is, is that if she wants to fix it. Because at the end of the day, she may decide that money does not answer every need. And she may come, and that's one of the reasons why I said I would ask people the need, because she may come to the realization have I just been about duty rather than relationship? You see, and she may come to terms and say, you know what? I didn't push him into this one, but perhaps I've become complacent.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

There was a passivity within the relationship.

SPEAKER_04 38:36

He's bringing home the bread, the bacon, whatever it is. And I just didn't consider that he just don't need the next lovely dinner, he just needs you to walk with him down the park or have to go to that company retreat or be on his arm for that thing. Precisely the point. And he in turn has to answer what is it that he feels that this person has that she doesn't have. See. So that is where the the both, and when both come together with a clear understanding of where their problem is, then together they're going to talk to their children. Right. And children will tell if love is you know is rekindled, if love is there, if it's uh uh uh a luck and the part on both persons' part, you know, I mean, in failing in the relationship rather than just being dutiful. You see what I'm saying? So that is what's gonna make the difference. And if the children can see that both of them has fixed it, that children they can forgive because that's father and mother. You can't ever forget who they are, whatever your feeling is. Yeah, you see, but it's what you see and how you see them work through things through through going forward.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

Dad, I want to ask this question. I think there's a lot of men that got a very cold chill up their spine when they watch this. Yes. I believe there's a lot of women that also got a very cold chill up their spine when they watch this. Um you're not going to be able to, and I don't want to use the word save because that's the wrong word, but you're not going to be able to influence everybody because we all have free choice. But to those with an ear to hear and a heart to receive and to be better, Dad, how would you advise or encourage any man or woman that is teetering on the edge of a decision that is going to plunge them somewhere that they don't know based off of a need that they can better communicate than indeed.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

You see, um these things are not contemplated.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

How do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 41:03

A person doesn't sit down and decide I'm gonna be come infidelity, you know, proclamable. Yeah, no, it doesn't work like that.

SPEAKER_03 41:10

Uh unfaithful.

SPEAKER_04 41:11

Yeah. You see, what happened is that circumstances, environment lead to that. And there are, in most people's cases, there are like three levels of three level, three types of infidelity. Okay. You have sexual romantic infidelity, which uh most people, that's all they think about. But there is emotional infidelity.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

And therefore you got in now with social media and already, you got infidelity online. It's not indie because people would be amazed what people do online in reality. Yeah. So you have all of that to take into consideration. So let's take, for example, emotional infidelity. That's why we talk about support, the support mechanism. Somebody is supporting you, somebody's making you look good in your job, somebody's making sure that the boxes are ticked, the T's are crossed and the dots, you know, the I's are dotted. See, that is support that leads to a certain level of dependency on that person, which then leads to them feeling, okay, this person is in is in my corner. They're supporting me, and therefore it begins to create. Because they're fulfilling a need in that person's life. So therefore, it becomes an attraction. And from an attraction, it comes to the point where you feel, okay, you got to do something to show that appreciation. Okay, now, depending on what you have, in terms of you got the resources, you go out and you buy something nice, you buy whatever you think a person needs to show your appreciation. And then from there, the person feels great, and it begins to evolve.

SPEAKER_05 43:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:03

You see, that is how it is. So by the time most people caught themselves, the evolution already takes place. And they find themselves leading to things that you can't buy in the shop. You can't go down to the car showroom and buy. And it is that um where they feel they got to now give what they think is the ultimate gift to the individual.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

How do you create the platform or the environment for communication that's never been? Because it would appear to me that for both of them, Mr. and Mrs. Byron, there would have been subtle moments where they would have tried to lean the other person into where they were. How they were feeling. Um and these it's almost like, you know what. Sometimes you've got an engine light on, or and one comes on, but you're so used to the one that's on that you just oh it's okay until you this the smoke starts coming out. I mean you're like I should have dad is it, dad. How do and especially with like my generation are obsessed, dad, with money and stuff and status and what I have and what I can do and what I can show you, and and dad, it part it's part of the reason why sometimes I stay out of certain ceremonial situations because you look past the veil and you go, There is nothing happening behind that curve. And I'm gonna come back round in a very short space of time. You're gonna sit there and you're gonna be like, Yeah. So it how do you make sure that what the ground you're building on is firm?

SPEAKER_04 44:50

Yeah. As I said, it is time spent. Yeah. You know, you got to spend time and go through those processes, assessing them like anything, accountability.

unknown 45:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:05

You see, I mean, do I how much time did I spend this week in communication? How much time did I spend in social interactiveness? Humor, as we call it, the spice of life. Um, how much of what? Uh humor. Do you say the spice of life? Yes, it's the spice of life, yes. Yes, you are good. So um spice of life. Yes. You know what I mean? And that, you know, people who are interactive and constantly interactive, there's that level of humor. They find to laugh about, talk about, play about, whatever it is. See, that is really crucial. You don't want a business when you come home. You leave the business in the office, isn't it? But you don't leave a business to come home to a business. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The point. So that's why I see all of these things form the foundation for a good relationship.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

Can I ask you a question? And this will be the last question I'm going to ask you. How do they move forward as a family dad?

SPEAKER_04 46:12

Again, it's them again. Again, again, they both have to put they have to put value on themselves.

SPEAKER_05 46:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:24

Because you're looking at a stigma that is only them can fix. Because you see, the world, if if they get it right, the world, as I said at the beginning of your conversation, is that people are human, they can make mistakes. And therefore, there's nothing greater than forgiveness.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

Say that one more time.

SPEAKER_04 46:42

See, there's nothing greater than forgiveness. Why? Because you see, if you can forgive, you can eliminate past past mistakes. And traumas. It's exactly and start to heal traumas.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

Yeah, indeed. Because the person's no longer trying to hide what broke. They trust you enough to show them.

SPEAKER_04 47:00

Exactly the point.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

And brilliant. The world needs that. Sometimes he just needs it.

SPEAKER_04 47:08

Yeah, see, and and that is what um And I was disciplined a lot as a child, so it was just payback.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

But I was terrible as well. Anyway, I digress. That is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 47:17

So I see when they can forgive, that is what makes them almost divine.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

Will you do me a favor? And I know this is it's not crazy. Obviously, God can't violate our will. But should they choose to, he's the only one that can weld this thing back together in an unbreakable way, that is. But let's see, it's not just God. No, but I mean, through their through their will. Yes, I mean. If they decide that they're gonna think and then bring him into it, then that it's like you said, both spirits can do the welding. So then, but it will be done in a divine way, right? So, my what I wanted to say was the last thing I want you to do today, um, and in fact, this is gonna be the afterthought. I'm not doing the afterthought today. I was meant to sit here and listen and learn. Today's afterthought is I want you to pray. Okay. Because that I was really conflicted about doing this topic today because there are funny elements of it, but there are real people being traumatized by it. Um and I can't get to them personally, yeah. I do pray that somehow what we're doing finds its way in some way, yes, dad, and not only to them, but to other people. And one thing I do believe in, Dad, because I've proven it and I know it to be true. The power of prayer works, yes. Um, and I believe that if you pray, Dad, that there is something that can be done in a non-seen way that can have a visual expression that will speak to the world. Um, and I love comeback stories. I love the idea of the whole world laughing at this man and potentially his family, and in a year to 18 months later, they've got their own TV show talking about how we built that better. And and they become a staple of going, no, this is how you this is how you look at it, this is how you figure it out, this is what you do to maintain. So, um, Dad, if you will, I'm gonna do the end credits thing, and then if you will pray to finish us off, we'll do that. Um, guys, firstly, thank you all so much for listening in um with this conversation. I hope that you've heard something that not only you can take away, but you can potentially repatriate and share to someone else and others. Um, please like, subscribe, and share um my father's URL at Bishop LA Williams, um, at Sean Williams World. Please follow at Yo PopsPody on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. We now have our Patreon links as well. So um, as you heard, we've got some books coming out. Um, and if you would like to support and help us push this message, um, and more than that, we want to spread love, we want to change the world by loving the world as we were commanded to. Um, so if you want to support us, the links are down below. Feel free. Um, and for our Yo Pops afterthought today, I want to leave you with my dad as he talks to we'll see if we can help the Byrons out a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 50:35

Take it away, Pop. Father, in the name of Jesus, we thank you for this opportunity that we can speak to so many people through this medium. We're asking you in the name of Jesus that you will demonstrate the power of love, the power of forgiveness, yeah, and God, the greatness of reconciliation. And so we pray in Jesus' name that every person that is listening to this session that if they are going through and are experiencing our or has gone through and are traumatized by breaking, by relationship breaking, I pray, God, that you will heal it. Father God, you have shown us that when we broke our relationship with you, it was love that restored it. And I believe today, God, in Jesus' name, that you will do the same for those who may feel that they have fallen out, they have broken their relationship, but we pray that you will show yourself mighty in helping them to put it back together again. Because, Father God, with the right tools, we know they can. In Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

Amen.