Dreams (Part 2)

In part two of this episode the conversation continues as Shean asks his dad about dreams. They look to delve back into the conversation hoping to extract the information about the power they (dreams) have, their significance and possible meanings. The pair lean into the spiritual implication and explore the human element of mystery and intrigue where dreaming is concerned. This conversation is sure to leave you with needed answers, new questions and a deeper understanding of you.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:23

How do you feel about Musk and Trump, Daddy? I think Musk is a modern-day Nimirat. Now that's a statement. Absolutely. It's the same spirit, same ambition. They're not happy to handle and deal with what is immediately present and needful. It is that spirit to get beyond everything else. In fact, it's a bit like wanting to get to heaven, but by mechanical means.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

And it being like uninhabitable. Yeah, the next place. And he said to the interviewer, he said, yeah, but he said, I've been doing some calculations, which scared me because I'm a massive Marvel fan and he feels very Tony Stark-esque to me. Now, Tony Stark is the character who plays Iron Man, and at the end of the whole series, he ends up dying because he he's just yes, because of how he is, and he puts himself in a position of responsibility accountable anyway. The point of what Mr. Musk was saying was that he was like, if we drop several nuclear bombs at the same time on Mars, it will generate enough heat to heat up the planet so that over a period of time we can start to put infrastructure and things in place that will make it habitable, basically. Um now, none of what he said alarmed me until I looked in his face and realized he's not joking. Which means if he's willing to say this in this public forum, then what on earth are the levels of conversations he's potentially having privately that will go far beyond something that to most of us was like, you can't go and do that. Yeah. So when you say that he's a modern day Nimrod, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Yeah, I would refer to him as a Nimrod Musk rather than he. Wait, uh, do you use Twitter or X? Um I'm I'm on them, but you don't really use it.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Yeah, because I I think after you said that I don't know if he's gonna be following that. I don't think you're gonna go to the bottom of the algorithm.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

He may be excited because I mean, you know, his mindset, you were thinking, okay, you know, this man is seeing you know I would love to watch a conversation between you and Elon Musk, like to be honest. But what is what is also important to point out that we have equal aspiration, except we're going about it the right way. How do you mean? Because I mean, he's trying to get to Mars, we are getting to heaven. Okay. So much far further and far more exciting than Mars. You see, we don't have to go dropping nuclear bombs. It's I mean, through our relationship with God, we are getting there. You know, we don't need a space rocket to get there because Elijah didn't use one, neither did um the brother before him. So you have it, but is a right and the wrong way. Is a way that you achieve things with God's factor, and when you're trying to do it by your factor and devil's factor.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

So that is what you have. So the dreams and the imagination is in line with creativity by God's creation of this thing in us. What is it that influences it? And that is what can either bring you peace or bring you sorrow. Yeah, it can bring you purpose, yeah, or it can let you wake up, you know, oozing sweat and panicking because of what you see.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

I want to ask you a question. Um, and this was a question that came to me. Um, I had a message, and someone said, Sean, I dream, but I can't remember what I dream. Like, why do we dream and not remember what we dream? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Now, in principle, oftentimes the dream that people can't remember is more, it's very much um traumatic.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Yeah. So it resides in the subconscious. And they're not in a hurry to bring it to the conscious. No, because it's trauma-filled. Precisely the point. Now, I'll give you an example. Yeah, there was a brother of mine, and when I'm talking about a spiritual brother, in South Africa, and I went to visit him, and um he's you wake up and he was, you could tell that he was not himself. So I said, What's the matter with you? I said, You're not at work. He said, No, I couldn't go in because I wake up with this awful migraine. So I started smiling, and you find it kind of weird that I'm smiling at his migraine.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

It's a debilitating thing. Exactly. I don't suffer from them, but people that do, they tell me that because I've always looked at it as a headache. Yeah. Apparently, it is a headache on times a million that it will it can cause you to be paralyzed in terms of you can't move, you just can't think straight, and all these other things.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

So when he said to me, Why are you laughing? I said to you, I said, I can tell you what happened to you last night. He said, What? He said, I said you had a dream that was so horrific that it triggers this pain in your head.

unknown 6:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

She said, No, no, I didn't. I said, Yes, you did. I said, I'm gonna give you a minute to look back, to go back in your in your mind as to what it was you dreamed. And within that minute, he said, you know what? I remember now what I dreamt. For the whole that time, he couldn't remember.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

What was it then in that moment that you think allowed him to identify safety.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Safety. He feel he felt safe. You know what I mean? So rather than going back, you know, it's like a lion attacked you down the road, and you've got to go back to look for the lion. But you know, you don't you don't want to go back by yourself. But see somebody with a gun, yeah. Okay, we're gonna go back and look for it. So I when I said you must say, you said this is what it is. First and foremost, I knew it was a dream. He didn't tell me. He just said he wake up with a migraine. I was the one who told him that what transpired in the night. So as he began to think back on it, he said, Yes, I did. I can remember now. He said, I dreamt that, you know, let's put it this way: like my father was killing my mother. And I was desperately trying to save her. So I said, Yeah, I said, there you go. So now it is that trauma. Can you imagine a child or a young man? See, his father's gonna kill his mother, or the mother gonna kill the father, and you now trying to save, to save either of them. So that is traumatic trauma to me. So migraine stroke is really the impact of a traumatic situation that has happened in your subconscious.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

And how would you um encourage a person to deal with such a thing?

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Okay, so once you identify, then as I said, that's that's step one, identification. Yes. Step two is to recognize that dreams, our visions, is not now, it is to the future. It's a question. Dad, what is the difference between a dream and a vision? Right. Okay. A dream is is is is that consciousness of something that is gonna happen in uh what they call it abstract. In an abstract way. It's like it's like drawing. Can you give an example you have to say? It's like a like a drawing. You got what they call abstract drawing, right? Like a Picasso. Yes, you've gotten to be able to do that. You have to use your you have to use your imagination to dissimilate, to understand. While you got another person who will put something to every detail. That's a vision. That's a vision, and it's more real in the sense that it's more um it's yeah, more real. I think that's a better word. It's more real because you are seeing it. It's like watching a television. So you're seeing the event playing out, you know, before your eyes, so to speak. So it's not your imagination, it's not um you having to decipher to decipher. You're seeing it.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

But you know what? Can I admit something to you?

SPEAKER_03 9:31

I thought I was having a recurring dream until I had it when I was awake.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

And you saying what you said now lets me know I haven't, it's it's been a vision. Dad, and it's the same thing all the time. I am I am at the foot of a mountain, and I'm being walked up some stairs, and I'm going to the front of what looks like some form of platform, and dad, all I can see is people. Dad, when I say an innumerable amount of people, and there's been times when I've sat and I've gone, man, my imagination is wild. Like because it makes no sense. Because I don't say anything, you don't, and it's almost like I'm watching me from behind, Dad.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Well, it makes all the sense to me. You know what I mean? You see, so for me, if you had said that to me, I would be telling you that you are going into something, well, I mean something I'm talking about now, with your with what you're called to do with purpose that you're finding challenging. So, in other words, you know you got to do it, but it's like I'm at the bottom of the hill, I can't, can I, can I not? And it's only when you lean into it you're gonna see that vision comes into reality. And that is oftentimes what happens. So when you get it, what you do with it is that gonna make the difference. But there are elements within those dreams that tell you what state your mind is in. Okay, you know what I mean. For example, if a person comes to me and say, Okay, I'm having a dream and I'm running away, I mean, then I immediately say, Okay, tell you what. And within that dream, there are that spiritual element that you are lacking certain spiritual strength to deal with the spiritual things that are happening within that dream. You know, and a friend of mine told me about a dream that she had, and in the dream, she was she was carrying a baby, and the baby um she was running, but there were some dark forces, demonic forces, chasing her. And um she was praying, you know, but she was running, and eventually one of the forces came and killed the baby in her hand. And um She's quiet, yes, she is now this is real, this is a real solution quoting here. And no, I didn't think it wasn't, it's just like it's and when she went to she told me about it, I said that one God is showing you that your spiritual level needs upgrading, upgrading. And two, rather than running from the demons, you should have been able to rebuke it. But because you were not, you don't feel within your spirit that you were strong enough to do it, then what you saw in the spirit is happening, uh going to happen in the natural, and before she gets that information to then pray against it somebody close to her last let me.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

So um wow, yeah, very close.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Um last year, that's what she was seeing. And that moments like that will cause a person to feel untold guilt.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

Absolutely. Um, they would feel that when you tell them what was the problem. Yeah, before that, they just think it's something normal that you see something attacking you, you run away from it. But it is showing what your spiritual condition is like.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

Very, very powerful. That I wanted to lean into because I was gonna talk to you about like nightmares and night terrors, but I feel in the last little bit that we just spoke about, you you really dealt with where they come from and also how we are complicit in creating those atmospheres when we're trying to when we're supposed to be sleeping. Yeah, um, I wanted to ask you this: how then, Dad, does the mental stress within our environment or even the night times we have, why does that create sleep paralysis? Um and how would you advise or encourage a person to overcome that? What steps would you?

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Okay. One of the first things I would say to most people is that they've never taken the time to really address their spiritual life. Okay, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 14:39

What do you mean? Because that's why yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

Because most people don't fully understand that they are more spirit than they are human. And they are physical. Physical, yeah. That's it. That's it. And because they've never been taught, I mean, you talk about history, you talk about biology, you talk about math, because somebody, from your baby, drilling those information into you until you go to university and some people go on to become professors, doctors, whatever. But how many people have had their spiritual consciousness really awaken in them? Not many. So most are living below what they were created to be. Because God cannot become fascinated with something that's gonna be decay in a few years from now. What is what is in what is of interest to him is that element of you that never gonna see decay. Absolutely. So so from time to time, so people are fluctuating between the natural world around them rather than the spiritual world that they are entitled to function and operate in. And so that's why when we talked earlier on about imagination, it was so powerful, because the imagination with you with you resides within the spirit, the spirit world, which is what gives you the ability to see things that be not, speak of it as though it's already is. That is what makes the difference. And when a person, no matter who what what condition they are spiritually, can imagine things or have vision for things, yeah, they unstoppable. That's why people like the Nimrod Musk um is the way he's calling that man Nimrod Musk dad, what's wrong with you? That's why that's why for him, you know, you take it as a joke because of his ability to imagine things.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Dad, I always find it super fascinating that a book that people deny so obstinately, yeah, yet you you it simply the minute you said Nimrod Musk, I'm like 100%. Millennia's down the line, here pops up the same spirit in the same kind of moment which to dad, um, before I get carried away, if we wanted to encourage people or even lean them into, because don't worry, I'm going to just based off of what you said today, this is something that I feel like people need to be able to come and listen to you speak about and then ask questions because um without you know, obviously divulging more than I need to, that the amount of people within my network of acquaintances, um, some of my colleagues, um some of my friends that it's alarming to me the amount of people that are not in control of their emotional self. Um and it's only when you know when you get to a place where you you can't hide it anymore that to those that maybe can see a little bit deeper, yeah you you um you realize that people need help. There was this morning I I went to grab um a drink and I saw the barista and have a lovely relationship with the person and I could see they were deeply, deeply troubled. And I and I was talking, having my little service conversation, I was like, like it was weird because I didn't even say, How are you? I said, How did you sleep? Terrible. Like my and they just went, my mental health has been, and then we were speaking, and I was saying to them, I was just like, Look, I need you to understand something because they've just done something really cool in their life where what they used was what I call the human element of faith, where there are certain laws that God has put in the earth, dad, that we can transact whether you have spiritual relationship or not, just by virtue of creation and position. And I said to the person, I said, Isn't it amazing that if faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of the God you serve? Right. Because I said, You're not using the spiritual version of it. And I saw the person's whole, oh my gosh. And more so to the place of it being dad, that I said, How about you take, and this person leans into like they come from a Christian background, and so on and so forth. And I said, Have you ever taken the time to listen to Psalms or even the gospel of or the epistle of and he said why? I said, because faith comes by hearing. That's right, and hearing by the thing that you surrender to. And it was just the kind of the, it's almost like for a moment you break them out of the prison that they're in. And so the first thing I'm gonna say to you, what would you suggest? Like three very simple steps that a person could do, or even two simple steps that a person can do before they go to bed, or the first thing when they wake up.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

What would you I would say that they take their Bible, okay, opens it, and um begin to meditate on it. Okay. So they could take a chapter, and of course, there are some uh scriptures that are more pertinent um for people's everyday situation than others. So, for example, if you look at Proverbs, it's filled with wisdom. That Proverbs is a long book, like 30 or just but then I mean they've got many chapters.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

You said give me some. Yeah, so a person will go to Google right now and then they'll type in Proverbs and the whole thing. So you can right now say go to Yeah, so what they could do, they can go to Google and whatever they feel is their problem. I know, but you're gonna have people that are listening to you that are like, I love Sean's dad, and I believe Sean's dad knows exactly what I need. Yeah, so he should tell me where in Proverbs.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Okay, let's say, for example, you got Proverbs chapter one, perfect, chapter two, chapter three, four. These all leading into varying, various aspects of everyday life, okay, which gives you really very, very good information that you can digest. For me, Psalms Perfect. Psalms 91 is another one. 23. Yes, Psalm 23 is another one, um, Psalms 100 is another one. Psalms 139. 139 is another one. Psalms 1. Absolutely. Psalms 103 is another. 34. Psalms 7 is another. Perfect. So you have these, and these deals directly. One I was reading the other day that's so profound, and especially for older people. Older people. Yes. What's the cutoff for older people? When they reach 35. Why touch me kidding? Don't touch me. As you sort of get beyond your 50s and you know, moving up to your 60s, according to the Bible, it says that your allotted human allotted time is 70. So therefore, if you're feeling strong, you might go a little bit further. Yeah, look a bit. I intend to go a lot further. Go on, dad. Go on. Live some life. Exactly. Give me some free chunk. Yeah, so um, so I would say that once you sort of hit the 50 going up, then you begin to feel the awareness that you have your age and you see the signs and you see and feel the symptoms, etc., of old age. But here reading Psalms, sorry, Psalm 71, it was the the the David was asking God that when I am old, yeah, and gray-headed, yeah, you know what I mean. I still got some black key here in my head, so uh and gray-headed, and gray-headed, he said, do not leave me alone, because I need to pass on to the next generation, your goodness and mercy. Now that was so inspiring to me to let me know that I have a purpose getting old, and that is to pass on wisdom and knowledge and understanding of who God is to the next generation coming up, etc. So, yeah, so it's there.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Also, why I love that you spoke about David was because in modern times David would have been running from the mental health service. If he was to live in like that, this is a person that would slay a giant and run into the wilderness, feign himself to be mad, right, spitting on himself, right? Would hide in a cave with cutthroats, right, to then go and restore a nation to a prominence that God had always intended for them. So, in terms of when we talk about mental health, they he would have been the perfect specimen to look at because the one consistency through the inconsistency of his environment and his life was that he would always anchor to God. Yeah, really loved God. Whether it was going great and or if it was going terribly, his whole thing would be like, I just gotta get back to God. Indeed, indeed. And that's why I think that even just because obviously I understand that for what we do in the podcast, I love that we speak to people that are believers and that have spiritual relationships, but I also love the fact that we're talking to a lot of people that know nothing about God, which is why, even in some of the introductions, especially on a spiritual level, being able to give them a practical version. There was nothing mystical about God hanging out with Adam in the garden, there was nothing mystical about Jesus breaking bread with his disciples, which also makes me think that there's nothing mystical about my relationship with you. Yeah, yeah, right, it's predicated on real things, of course. Um, and so yeah, it's the thing I wanted to ask you if someone that isn't per se a believer as we know it to be, or how we've kind of experienced, um, and we've given them obviously the great advice. Look, you can go to Google, you can find these scriptures. Um what could they be doing either within themselves or in their natural everyday environment that you think could also, you know, they they're add-ons.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Yeah. I think I think most people need to embark on the journey of discovery.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

You know what I mean? And that discovery is not about a country, it's about themselves.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

You see what I mean? That is what they need, they need to do. And they must be aware that their present condition on sexy is not totally their fault. It's that that the environment in which they were brought up may not have exposed them to the things that is going to keep them in times like this.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

I want you to say that one more time because that is a jailbreaker that you said it is not their fault.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

It is. It means that they're exposed, they were never exposed to the things that is going to make their life different. You just made it way more complicated. You said it was their environment. It's not their fault. No, it's really uh the environment in which they were exposed. Yeah. So if you were never exposed to the things that is going to meet you on these three levels, then you're going to fall short. You're going to be an aneka. You know what I mean? And that is what a lot of people are dealing with. Because what they were fed that we're going to be a keeping force or keeping power within their life, everybody's now seeing it. That it has failed. And that's where they are in trouble. So I liken it to say, for example, AI. Yes. Now, everyone who has a phone, tablet, computer, recognize that this speech recognition thing is taking over your conversation. And it's learning every day what you think, how you think, and what you do, what you do, what slow slogan is, etc. And it will get to that point where it can anticipate a whole sentence before you even finish mentioning the first word. And it's the same thing with a lot of people is that because of what they were fed, you know, life in general has now taken over their thought process, their action, and everything, and they feel like they're losing themselves. For a lot, they have lost themselves. So it's re rediscovering. And you know, begin to ask, who am I? And find going to the right place, right people to give you the solution. And that's why for me, I think being able to sit down and listen and to participate and to you know assess where you are and discover who you are is so important.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

Can I say something? Brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

I learned so much in that honestly. Um and I'm I'm excited for people to be able to access you that. I don't know what it is. I sometimes I listen to people when they send me a message, and it's almost like I can feel what they feel.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

And I don't know, I just I feel like we found a platform to digitally send medicine. Right? It's almost like we're an airborne ambulance. Honestly, Dad. And I am I'm thankful for you. And and even though your little disappearing act when you went away, I love it because you've come. What are you looking like that for? What are you looking like that for?

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Disappearing act.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Oh wow. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well done. Well, well, well done. Um but as I was saying, um, just fantastic, lad, yeah, and it's amazing to have you back. Um, and I can feel your energy and your your excitement, yeah. Um, your verb vigour and your restedness. Um, to everybody that's joining with us, um, thank you so much. Also, please sign up to the Patreon that is below here now. Um, you can hit my dad on you can hit my dad on all his platforms, Instagram, TikTok. Look, we want as many of you to get over to the TikTok, please join that. We've also got um we've got some visuals we're bringing you because we think we're gonna have a little bit of literature for you for the end of this year, um, as well as a live show, and you know that we're coming with the merch. Of course. So um, we hope you have an amazing rest of your week. Please like, subscribe, share. Please send this to friends, cut it, send it on as many places and times and ways that you want to. Um, from me, have a great day. From my dad. Blessings to you, and we'll see you next time. Bye guys. We are all embarking on a journey of discovery that leads us beyond places that we feel comfortable or even in control of. Today, I didn't even realize that my environment, along with my emotional state, along with my spirit, they all shape and fundamentally have an influence on what comes through me and what I think about even when I think that I'm sleeping. So, the best thing I would say to you today is see yourself as valuable and important enough to surround yourself with the things that allow you to have your best output. If our mind is like an irrigation system, then the things that we put in it will determine how it flows through. To keep that water pure, whether it's with the things that you say, the things that you do, or what you listen to. You are in control and in charge of how you're affected in moments when your subconscious is at its height in self. But more than that, your imagination is a divine communication tool that God has put inside every single one of us. How do we keep it clear? By investing, mining, and depositing in things that are holistically good for us. So don't forget, on your journey of discovery, embark in the places that best help you to be the best version of yourself.

unknown 33:23

Not only for you, but for the world that's around you. See you next week, guys.