Red Jay (Ginger is a flavour not a colour)

In the undefeated arena that is the World Wide Web a new point of contention hit our device screens as we were all introduced to the preferential view point of “Red Jay”. After the gasps and proclamations of cancellation had been cast, the dust settling and the smoke clearing we were left with the reality of a broken person, pleading to be heard in a world that’s lost its ability to want to understand, and relinquished its responsibility to tell the difference between problem, cause and solution.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:20

How are you? I am fine. Good. Good, good, good. I have a case study for you today. Oh, yeah. It's another horrible internet video that I refuse to show you. Okay. So you know it's bad if I'm like, I'm not even going to show it to you. Right. Especially after the last couple that I sent you. What I'm going to do is I'm going to give you the premise of what's happened. And then I'm going to break it open. Okay. The first thing I want to say that it was so embarrassing to watch. The whole basis of it. The reason it was embarrassing to watch was because I felt it was a poor reflection on black culture. And it did not reflect the protocols of communication we use very well. So the premise was there is a quite popular panel discussion podcast. Okay. And what they do is they in this particular episode, um, because I'm not massively familiar with it, um, there is four black women, four black men, and they kind of go backwards and forwards with certain questions with regards to relationship, love, society, just all kinds of things. Anyway, this particular episode, they decided to speak about people's dating preferences. And there was one particular gentleman who um who went viral because he said that he doesn't date black women. Fair enough, not an issue. When he went into the reasons that he doesn't date black women, it became inflammatory. Right. And it became inflammatory to the place where that his reaction was so bad in terms of how um how would I put this? It's like imagine you're lighting a candle on a birthday cake, and you think it's a candle, but what you've really lit is dynamite, and then it just went kaboom. And I was listening to what he had to say, and and the first thing that really caught me was he'd been cheated on. So he was holding a certain, you could see he was holding a certain amount of emotional pain from that. Yeah. Um, now what really took me by surprise was the fact of the circumstances that he was in and that he didn't see any type of correlation between the circumstance and what happened. So he was in prison for 11 and a half years, okay, and was having relationships whilst in prison. Now, to me personally, if you find yourself in incarceration and you're not married, then you're asking someone to do something that, especially in this day and age, Dad, yeah, a lot of this generation don't have the capacity to be that patient or to be that invested in a person that is not reciprocating what they're giving at that time. And so from that, um, he obviously through certain how would I put this? There are certain stereotypical behaviors that people will connect to certain people in different cultures and communities. So he was talking about the the attitude that may sometimes meet him when he'd been in a relationship with black women. He also spoke about um the lack of being heard. Right. Right now, the reason why that was a big thing to me was because he used that statement to then qualify that his mum was the greatest woman he'd ever known. Um, but in the very next breath, he was just like, but I didn't enjoy the way that she behaved.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

That didn't matter be so she was the greatest, but he didn't enjoy the way she dad, is that not the biggest contradiction?

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Of course, yes, yes. Right? So at that point, I'm sitting there and I'm like, ah fruit and root. Yeah, Dad. So this man then says to these this panel of ladies, he goes, Okay, um the biggest problem that he had was that he didn't enjoy when he had something to say that when he felt he was in relationships with with black women that they would shut him down and not allow him to speak. And very quickly, as he was making that statement, there was one lady a part of the female panel that she jumped down his throat so quick, and up to that point he was quite calm. Dad, I saw the switch turn in that very moment, and then I kind of watched as it escalated, as it escalated, as it escalated. Um, and then there was a behind-the-scenes clip where his friend had taken him backstage, and dad, he lost his mind and he was shouting and he was going on, and then he was and it was the same contradiction again. It's like my mum's an empress, but if I don't like the way she goes on, why would I take the way you go on? And I was just like, okay. And at that point, I sat and I thought to myself, we're watching someone actually potentially going through an episode here, yeah. Um, and then the internet went crazy. Oh dad, they took that, and then um what I thought was it was almost Machiavellian genius because the people that own the platform, we don't see them, right? But the amount of money his little moment would have garnered them. Dad, I'm talking, everybody's doing reaction videos to this. Black women around the world have stopped what they were doing to be like tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap. And it's funny because as I was prepping this yesterday, um, a video came up of him, and I was like, Oh, I can't. And I looked at his face and I was like, Oh, wait there, this isn't the same as that. And then Daddy was like, Oh, yeah, hi guys, uh, I just want to apologize, and yeah, you know, my mental health has really taken a batter in the last couple of days, and I'm sitting there going, Yeah, I bet it has. Um but you could see that it almost was also like what I call damage control and damage limitation. Yeah. Now, after I got past what I would call the dog and pony show dad, my first thought was okay, that reaction came from the triggering point of him not feeling heard. Yeah. And the triggering point of him not being heard can be traced to the root point of potentially the environment he grew up in. Yeah. And Dad, this is what really nailed it to the masterme. He said, when trying to describe his mum as an empress and a queen, which I in my heart no doubt to terms of what her circumstances was, she raised five boys on her own. Now, Dad, with that little bit of information, I'm now opening it up and I'm like, okay. And while the world is dealing with the fruit of his reaction, yeah, I wanted us to look at the root of the cause. And immediately, the first thing I sat down, I said, right, if if Ginger J was sitting with us, and imagine his name is Ginger J. That's his name. That's his name. Wow. Because he's a he's a um he's a black man with ginger uh features, but he also went on to explain why in the time of um slavery. His I think it was third generation of his great-great-great-grandmother, was um, I think she would have been like a house slave. And the master was a guy called Francois, who was a red-headed man. Yeah, yeah. And um, if I have got this right, he would force himself upon his great-grandmother, yeah, which meant that you've now got this kind of very unique uh trait now through this bloodline that doesn't necessarily match where we don't really have many red-headed Nubians, right? Yeah, so um when I was listening to him, I'm like, this is like trauma on top of trauma on top of trauma. Yeah, um, and so it had me kind of sit down and go, okay, cool. If he was gonna sit here, how would I outline the problem-caused solution? Okay. Um, and my first question I wanted to ask you is, Dad, what would you identify to be the problem?

SPEAKER_00 9:29

I think a sense some well, sense of rejection. I think that's one of the first things that I would um see as his problem. He live a life of rejection. Um, you know, when you have five brothers, four of us. Four of his yeah, four with himself. Um and there is a binding for attention. You see, and clearly he um he feels left out are not heard as he feels he shirt. You know what I mean? So clearly he's carrying that in his in his mind, in his heart. Yeah, you know what I mean. So so he's clearly suffering from that sense of rejection. So whenever time he meets anyone who does not immediately succumb to whatever he's proposing or saying to them, yeah, then it triggers that um that kind of reaction. It brings it brings him back to his past. And you can see the tantrum that he would have had in those days. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

That was just acting manifesting.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Exactly, exactly the point. And it might have been to the point where he's shocked that it was as in-depth as you know, the world of seeing it. Dad. He lost himself. Right. And that is why he's, you know, you'll be coming back trying to sort of um fix it if he could, but that's not how you fix it. A word of apology doesn't fix that kind of entrenched situation in a person. Yeah, he needs therapy.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Yeah, I hear you. So then if the problem is rejection, what would you then identify as the cause?

SPEAKER_00 11:29

The cause is um uh a single mother having to deal with five with five boys on her own, yeah, you know, having to work. Exactly. So there are gonna be those who are different in personality, yeah. And depending on the personality of each of them, she's gonna be warming to others more than more than others.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

And if he's already feeling a sense of rejection and he's then acting out in a worse way, then it's almost like the attention he gets comes from a toxic negative place because it's not for anything good.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

Yeah. Indeed. And the fact that he's trying to praise his mother, which with one in one sentence and conflict and conflicting it in another sense, it shows that the real root is that he felt that where his mother is concerned, she was the one he f he blame for not taking him serious, listening to him, give him place of preference in the whole scenario. And here he is growing up with it.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

It's almost like I feel he attributes his value system according to how you were treated, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

How he finds himself. Because as a young child, you are trying very much to gravitate to anything that you can identify with or you feel is popular, is you feel benefits you in one way or the other. And when you're not able to find it, and you look at others, it seems to be getting the better of a bad situation, really, um there's nothing because there isn't another person. Because of the relationship is one-sided, you see, if mom don't like you and not treating you as you think you should be, then normally you have the father who you will then gravitate to, or vice versa. You know, but when you have only one and the siblings themselves, depending on what age they are, feel that they're getting a better deal than he is, they're not going to relinquish their good deal to put him in that place.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Dad, do you know what the thing that that really stuck out to me? That there was one particular female panelist who he became very personal with, and she became very personal with him. Um what struck me was that there was neither any of the other three men on the panel with him, and actually to a lesser extent, because there was a couple of the women on the female panel that tried to say to the lady that was becoming um what I call overreactive to kind of calm down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Um, but the thing that really got me So was the men telling the lady to calm down, or was it the ladies telling the lady?

SPEAKER_01 14:50

No, no, no, the ladies were telling the lady to calm down because I think it had got so heightened that anybody that I kind of think lives without lives outside of the culture, they are looking at that like that's just an aggressive situation, right? Now, depending on what your experiences are within a certain environment, you can then to one person uh a level five aggression to them who who kind of live relatively without any aggression in their environment, to another person that may not even measure at a level one dad. Does that make sense? Yeah, so the first thing that kind of scared me was like, okay, uh toxic communication is familiar to the majority of the people that are kind of sitting on this panel. It's something that's even though it may not be a preference, it's almost like it's accepted. Yeah. Right? Um, and when they were trying to speak to her to calm down, I could sense there were things that he was saying that also triggered her. Of course. Which meant that the very thing he was saying that he didn't like in his preference or his lack of preference towards black women.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Yeah, was worth coming back at him.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

And the worst thing is that when he tried to kind of lean in to be like, this is what I'm talking about, because he had done such a poor job, Dad, in firstly explaining what he was trying to explain, but also in not managing his own emotional palate. That's the thing that kind of sent everything kind of left. Um, and so what I wanted to ask you was if we've been able to identify the cause and the problem, then I put together like a series of questions that I think may make up the solution. And obviously, anything that you you hear um or that you want to add or you think that's been missing, please that at any point um interject. Because more than anything, the engagement with this situation has been ridiculous. Um and as I'd expect, and to a certain degree, rightly so, I've seen a lot of women come out and say what they need to say. Um, I want to help in a way because much of what the commentary after the fact has been has been about oh what he said, and this is what you're talking about, and da-da-da-da-da. And I'm like, that's a broken man. That's a man that lacks identity, that's a man that has no anchor, and has never been shown that, and the version he has been showing wasn't from another man, primarily, like in his primary place of learning and repetitions and models, that that would have been probably from well, depending on where he is within his sibling ranking, maybe an older brother, maybe an uncle or a grandfather, depending on whatever the relationship is, but based on what he was kind of ascribing some of his mum's attributes and nature um characteristics to be like, I can imagine that maybe it wasn't the most consistent male figures in his life. So the first question I wanted to ask you was um, how do you make peace with your past, Dad?

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Okay. Um before before I address that. Yes. If you notice on the panel, you said there were eight people. Right. The you would have thought that if the three women would have been more sympathetic.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

I mean the four women. The four women.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

The three women that were telling the other one to calm down.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Well, no, only I'd say only one and a half of the other three were telling the other one to calm down. There was there was one who was sat the far right, I'm not sure of her name, and I she was actually asking the question to ask. Right. Right? And then she could kind of see it going left, and she was just like, Look, I think you need to just and then there was another one that's like, yeah, yeah, calm down. And when she saw the other one had gone, she was just like, I'm gonna leave you alone and let you do what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

So it what immediately uh became apparent is that that lady is not much different from the guy. Yes, I mean, how so? Because they both got triggered. Oh, yes, oh yes, agreed. And that is why she herself, perhaps looking back at how her reaction was, would have been absolutely shocked.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

And you know what triggered her? He called her out about her hair and her eyelashes. So on the basis of preferential dating black women, when he was looking at her dad, the things he was calling out about her were what you would call historically, she was magnifying European um what's the word? What's the word I'm looking for? European characteristics within her appearance, right? So he was talking about the hair, and for a lot of women that especially in our culture, that is a just don't even go there, just just leave it all the way alone. Because women, anyway, are very sensitive about their hair, but especially in certain cultures and places, and that the minute he did that and spoke about the hair and the eyelashes, that thing went to the moon. So, yeah, you're right. He yes, they were both triggered.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Yes, so so as a result, um they both need um solutions to their problem, even though they both don't recognize that they have problems. He, I think, is had to come to the realization because the whole world's turned, but for her, she's not really in the No, because again, as I said, she probably feels that sympathy is on her side and justification for her reaction to what the world would perceive as negativity in that regard. So most people would be looking at it purely from that perspective. However, as I said, both of them has got their problem. So back to the question that you're asking. How do you make peace with your past? How do you make with peace with your past? In such a case, it is you have to go, you have to look at what it is that has characterized your past. In other words, from the time you were born to where you are now, all of the issues that we see and display came from the past. So somebody would need to take him back or walk him back to those moments, those times, and ask the relevant question. You know what how far back um did you uh where you experience rejection, uh you feel rejected by your in in his case mother, which of course uh cultivate his perception and women um in in that in that regard. So that is where you'd have to go back and look look at it. If he if he's able to speak to his mother or a person who had the experience would understand straight out where and how it all began. Now, for it to be so tragic, it I would immediately identify it as something started between you know were happening between the age of zero and five. Yeah. You see what I mean? Yeah, me too. Because it does now form it does now form part of his character.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Yeah, it's an it's a it's a cornerstone of that. It's a cornerstone of how who he's built himself to be.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Indeed, indeed. And he's trying to find something or someone's someone who can um vindicate him, give him the kind of attention that he feels he needs, and therefore, that is why he feels okay, I'm not going to get it from my particular culture, because it is my culture, in his view, um, who has created this kind of condition within himself. You know what I mean? So that is the way it is. So in such a case, then one has to really understand how these things happen. And to get him to understand that his life does not consist of zero to five. Yeah. It's mean is far more important than that. And because of the experience he's had, it has suppressed the real person. Yes. You get what I mean? And what you're seeing is not the real person, it's an adapted person.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Dad. There was one point where he became so animated, yeah. Yeah. So they have like a little studio audience in there, and he's he's kind of looking at the guys to talk to them, to be like, you get what I'm saying? And they're kind of like, brother, even if we understood and agreed, you have rode so far out to sea, there is no way we are coming to meet you with anything, and then he's looking at the studio audience, and there's a couple of men in the front as well, and they're kind of looking at him like good luck trying to come back from me. This will be a greater resurrection than Lazarus. And then you've obviously got the women over there. And dad, there was a point where I looked in his face, and dad, if I could, I would have just been like, let me give you a hug. Dad, let me tell you why. Because if he had been given a hug and shown love in that moment, that he would have cried like he was like he was well.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

I mean, that is that's what would have been.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

And until he releases that, yeah, dad, and he hasn't, because of who he's built himself to be, he can't show that level of vulnerability. And it's almost like it's like you said that he he needs to go back to that place to deal with that little boy that is still scared of and is still hurt, yeah, and aggressive, and aggressive, and and in my in my mind, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking a mother in that position having to raise that amount of sons, and then potentially the dynamic between the mother and the father, and then sometimes the the game playing that um victimizes children. Yes, yeah, but she may she may feel that the father could do more and he's not, so you're not gonna see him, and then she's not gonna tell the boys who are waiting for their father to come why they're not seeing him, so in their mind, he just couldn't be bothered. That's right, yeah. And yeah, it dad, I honestly it was such a it was such a visceral thing where I just wanted to be like, he needs to know what love and security feels like. Yeah, um, but dad, the next question I wanted to ask you, providing that you'd finished with that little point.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Yes, no, I think that's where it would have to be, you it would have to be the starting point. Yeah, you know what I mean. Now, um, a lot of people, especially in this case, men, um, that lady also is in the same boat, to be honest. Is boat or boat maybe a little bit smaller, but she's in the boat. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

He he's in the yacht, she's in the dinghy dad, and the dinghy's pulling the yacht's pulling the dinghy, I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Yes, yes, indeed. And so um, and so such a person has to understand that their life is not is not based on their um vulnerable past. And the fact that they have to understand that their life is not based on their vulnerable past. Wow, you know, because in most people's mind, their past is from birth to where they are, uh to me, that is to yesterday. Yeah, it's a that's the most people think about it. And when they find themselves um backed up with situations that victimize them, they don't know where to go. You see, because nobody's gonna tell them how to eliminate uh that situation. You see, now there are those who will tell them how to try to suppress it. But you see, it's it's when you are being told to suppress it and something triggers it, the explosion comes happening again. Because the pressure is still, it's not it hasn't gone anywhere, it's just being suppressed. And that is where um he's now trying to do what he has done in the past, yeah, resuppress it again with uh with uh a bit of apologies because he felt think it's going to cause him to uh to be seen in such a bad way, which is what he has been living with, and now it's say the comments have been brutal.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Oh my gosh, dad. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Yeah, so so he would have to understand that yes, he's a victim. And because he's a victim, there is hope for him, but he has to get look beyond the birth, even the birth, the birth canal. He has to go back to purpose. You know, that is what you're actually saying is he needs healing in his spirit, he needs healing in his mind, um, in his mind in particular, because what you're looking at is his soul reaction.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

So if he then need if he needs to want to uh to grasp who he is in his mind, then he has to go back to his purpose. You see me, because his purpose is already there.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

But he'll say he doesn't know what his purpose is. He'll say he doesn't know what his purpose is.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

No, no, no, he wouldn't because nobody has ever taken beyond his birth. You see, yeah, that is where that's the problem with a lot of people that do not look beyond their birth. You see me? And that's why many lose sight of who they really are, and that is why the world is you know it's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

How do you look at purpose beyond your birthday?

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Number one, nine months you spent in the womb. Right. What were you doing? What was happening in that nightmare? Creativity was taking place in that night month. Whoever was creating, we know we do it, but let's say that the process of creation was putting in you your DNA, putting in you what are the things that is going to characterize are the reason for your coming into this world. So somebody has to help him. Now it's there, but unless one understands this process, then it's going to be hard for people because you don't really learn these things in the classroom. Now, what most people learn as psychologists and psychiatrists, you see, is the written things that they are told following certain behavioral patterns. And it enables people to suppress rather than to eliminate. What the spiritual psychologist does, he tells you how to eliminate uh what has come about to victimize you and help you to understand that that was never your purpose. And it is only that that he brings balance to the person's thinking and then recognize that, okay, because the the the oven burned me, he don't mean that the the oven is evil or I have to get rid of it out of my life permanently. I just need to understand how to avoid being burnt by the oven and use it for the purpose for which it is created.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

That how does he get to the place of forgiving his mom?

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Forgiving his mom, you know, again, he has to understand that she herself is a victim of circumstances. You know, she never gets involved with that man to then be left with five children all on her own.

unknown 32:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

That was never uh her intention. But yet here she is facing it. So therefore, she is a victim. And it's only when him in particular understands that look, you are seeing your mother as the cause of your problem rather than seeing her as being a victim of her past. She's a fruit of that. Exactly the point. And so, in so doing, it's only when you come down to that understanding, then you're gonna say, okay, you know, mother, I was only being self-centered, I was only thinking about me, I was only thinking about what I desire, what I want, how I want it, but never thought about the, you know, the trauma that you having to deal with. You know, going to bed, having five boys who you got to provide for, don't know sometime where the next meal is coming from, there's a man out there who, you know, a participatory in their in their coming into this world, not playing his role as he should. Anger builds up. And if somebody has any kind of resemblance, uh, any of those children have any resemblance of the father, then every time she looks at him, she sees a man.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

Yeah. You see, and they're never gonna know the the workings of her mind, they're just gonna see rejection and resentment.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Indeed, indeed. So, so that is what now when you help him to understand, yeah, then he can go and they say, Okay, now let's let's heal my past.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Last question, because we need to get you out of here. Um how do you recreate trust and safety after it's been compromised?

SPEAKER_00 34:09

It's gonna be truth. Truth is the is the greatest healer.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Say that one more time.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

It's gonna take truth because truth is the greatest healer. Why the hell? Because truth brings balance to situation that leads to misunderstanding. Truth brings balance to situation that leads to misunderstanding.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

You don't even have to say anything else. I mean if you want to, feel that.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

No, no, no, that is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Truth brings balance to situations that lead to misunderstanding.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

It's every po every apology, every you know, restoration, everything. All people want to know what is the truth in it.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

I went to grab a coffee this morning and I was walking past C3 and I saw a man sat on the window ledge next to where they put out some of their free food. I've never seen an injection like it in my life. And I'm gonna I'm gonna allude to something here that I normally wouldn't because I'm very I'm very careful not to say the wrong thing because our platforms were public. But I want to this was an old white man, and I'm not going to behave as though society is equal and fair because it's not bad. No, yeah, right? There are certain people that have access to more, there are some people that have to make do with less. Yeah. Historically, especially in our city when a person that has always had access to more, yes, it looks like they have less than less. Yes, yes, and and dad. I look at so many men lost. Oh, yes, dad, and and and I'm not blaming women or the women in their life, but there's a whole generation of women that it's almost like and this is gonna sound wild, I'm gonna use it. It's almost the way that demons try to inhabit human bodies, yeah. And these women control these men, yeah, and for me, I'm thinking this is a guy that I know that will frequent mass public spaces, and there will be men that probably even agree and have dealt with some of what he's dealt with, and because of what they're connected to in their ear, in their ear, in their ear, and will force those men to behave in a way to him. Yeah, yeah. And when I looked at it this morning, I was like, okay, I can either lean into the thing that most people say, oh, black women are the greatest women. I believe all of that, I agree with all of that, but in that moment, that was not what needed to be fixed is that do you understand what I'm saying? That was not what needed to be fixed, and the basis of our platform is I want to empower, encourage, and regenerate all men. Ryan, do you understand what I'm saying? I'm not gonna no no, there's not just uh, it's not just a culture or a class or a rec no no no, because I understand we were all made in the image of God. That's right, which means that we were all purposed, set, there is a plan, and to every plan, there's a spoiler dead.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Yeah. Yeah, I think um in cases like that, um in general where men is concerned, yeah, they absolutely miss the transition that is going on.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

We meant to finish it.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

No, it's good though.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

No, no, no, yeah, it's really what they miss the transition. You see, uh, for women, they're going forward to what they wanted. Yeah. For men, they're going backward from what they were. And when you're caught in in between, then that is what they don't know which what to do, where to go, where to turn it. As I said, unless they have the chance to sit down and listen to something like this, to realize that the society technologically and otherwise, now in favor of more subtle approach to work, to job, which most men are not used to.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

No, they're not.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

See, so that's where you have the regression. While for the ladies it's progression, right? You know what I mean? And therefore they're happy um with their progression, you know, and seeing where before it was reliance on the man.

unknown 39:25

Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Reliance on themselves. Indeed. And and now you got we've been with the with the millions and the millions. The high-powered jobs. And the billions.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:37

So you so you're the man who, by virtue of who you are, you know, we're expected to be the provider, to be the bread, the breadwinner, to be the creator. And when you haven't got what to create with, because system and society is taking it away from you. You're now the executive. Exactly. They don't know how to survive in this kind of environment. And that is why so many uh people are in the state that they're in and potentially leading to anarchy once it's find the right um environment. You see, I mean, so say, for example, from a cultural perspective, and I'm not now talking about even the last two generations, I'm talking before that. You grew up in a culture of survival where you learn to survive.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

You see what I mean? And as soon as something changed, even if you are making progress, you suddenly draw back into survival mode. Now, for another culture, that was not how it has been for centuries. Nearly millennia. Exactly. And here they are now exposed to something that you know it's hard for them to have a reference point. You know, you know, really. Because the last time there was a reference point, everybody jumped onto a boat and decided we're gonna go and conquer conquered the world. It's gonna be to maintain that perception.

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Okay.

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So you are not the cause of what you went through. Sometimes we become victims of our situations simply because we were put in that environment and we weren't given any protection or coverage. However, what you went through doesn't divide it doesn't define you. It was set there so that it could become a platform for you to be and become who you were supposed to be. A cornerstone upon which you stand upon on firm ground to understand that you have within yourself the character, the fortitude, and the strength to overcome everything. And more than that, there is a God who purposed, coded, and set a plan for you and would see it come forth and come to fruition in real time. How? Through relationship with him as he then expresses his divine will through you in the visual world to the world. So remember, we're all gonna go through things that we never planned to, wanted to, or would have even preferred to go through. But it's not the things that you go through that define you, it's how you come out and the wisdom that you learn through it that does. Because that then becomes the expert information that allows you to make better decisions not just today, but tomorrow, next week, next year. So in everything you do, remember to always hold empathy, always look to see beyond what you can see so that you can understand what's happening in the places where our vulnerability lays. Don't forget, take care of yourselves and each other. Bye, guys.