Gaza

In this episode the pair discuss the politically polarising topic that is the Israel/Gaza conflict. They tread very carefully to extract the intention of the points they are making and to carefully shape the arks of their respective views and arguments. Yet it is the idea presented by Shean through the historical relationship between the two nations that opens up the base of conversation wider. They descale its concept from warring nations down to the essence of a family feud through genealogy, geography and history. This episode is sure to have you on the edge of your seat, push you to think in broader terms and really shine a light on the state of humanity in this moment in time.   

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:17

Hello everybody and welcome to the OPOPS podcast with me, Sean Williams, and Burning Like this is Blessings to you. Blessings to you, Mr. Christmas. How are you this morning, Dad? I am fine. Looking very effervescent and happy. No.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

When you did this early morning using all of these magnificent words, I mean, you know, you have to know that it's early. My brain takes a little while to you look alive.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

You look happy. Thank you. That's what I'm trying to say. How's your week been so far then? Uh great. Absolutely. That was quick.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Why has it been so great? What's happened?

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Because every day I wake up in this faith mode. It drives me. And therefore, I see everything from that perspective. Okay. Are you gonna open that up a little bit? Yeah, through the eyes of faith, all things are possible.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

I agree. And for the for a person that may not lean into how we think or what we believe, open it up a little bit. So you just said through the eyes of faith, all things are possible. Indeed. So are you saying that faith is a perspective?

SPEAKER_00 1:28

I mean faith is a life, is a life, is a life, life, a lifeline, to be honest. Life force? A lifeline and force. Okay. It is um it is creation. And therefore, when you possess creativity, then nothing is a challenge.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

I agree with that. Very quickly, can we maybe set down a definition? Because when a lot of people say faith, Dad, I think it can sometimes feel like an ambiguous umbrella term. And a lot of the time, what one term means to one person, it means something different to another. And I know you know exactly what you're talking about. And I want people to be able to kind of connect to that to that lifeline. So when you say faith, what would you how would you define faith?

SPEAKER_00 2:20

You see, um faith, faith is the is the really the power to create. Okay, that's what it is. It is it is a force that not only create, but it connects you to the all-source, to the Almighty. Got you. Now, everybody has faith, and everybody is living faith.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

But people do not necessarily acknowledge that they're getting up and going in the morning, planning and achieving, it's all to do with faith. So they think it's just themselves or it's their thought process, but reality is that it is faith in different forms and shape. Of course, those who do not ascribe to biblical concept of faith, you their their faith um activity is what we call natural faith. So therefore, it's just natural. They you grow up with it. God give every one of us the measure of faith.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Okay. So in terms of like what you've just said is amazing, um how would you define it if you could go faith is bang, bang, bang, bang, bang?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

I the best way to describe it is to understand the formula of faith. Faith is love, and that is love for God.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

The word, okay, mental ascent, okay, belief, okay, and persistent action.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Equals faith. So love for God comes from the spiritual aspect of faith.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Can I stop you there? For this reason, you don't understand the formula you gave was perfect, and what you're going to do is you're going to lean into the aspect that I think only 5% of the world truly understand. And where I think it might be easier to build the bridge is that firstly, faith is a law.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Yeah, it is a law. And understanding that law is what will give you the power.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

But the reason why I'm saying that, Dan, is because a lot of people, in the spiritual sense, don't have the relationship to then underpin the formula. And you said something that was very deep. You said a lot of people, or most people, are using natural faith, which is what I call the subdivision of the most potent version of the formula, right? So what a person loves is what their heart is then focused upon. Yeah. And then you said that it's then the word. That's right. So then you will then go and ascribe or subscribe to for a lot of people in this day and age, dad, it's influencers or Warren Buffett, or the next most powerful person. Yeah. And then you said after the word, they then need mental assent. So then your mind has to then be latched onto it, which most people do, because then they get online and they'll sit there and be like, oh, I'm going to this person's seminar, or I'm going to sit here and I'm going to consume 20 hours of their podcast or their book because you're listening to their doctrine of how they got to where they got to. And then after you hear the word, it you said it's persistent action.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

It's belief.

SPEAKER_02 5:57

Belief. So you have to believe what you're hearing to then convict yourself enough to go and do the things. So that means then that person will then take that advice that this person or that person said, and they work it, and they work it in season, out of season. Yeah. And that is the basis of faith. That is what faith is, really. Faith is your love for something added to by the word, then your mental ascent to it, then your belief to then convict you to act.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So the word is can be either social word, political word, educational word, or the word of God.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

But no, but that's why I wanted to just break it open and go, right, you really laid the foundation by going, there are versions of faith short. Which is why I said the even in the reason why I said it was a law was because that there are wicked people. It is a law. 100%. There are wicked people that will sow seeds and reap harvests. There are righteous people that will sow seeds and reap harvests. So when it's a law, anybody can access it. Nobody can access it. Which is why I was just like, okay, Dad, how do we break this apart? Because with our platform, we have those that are believers as and we also have those that are natural and just like the dynamic of what it is, right? Um and so you said then that your faith is kind of having you in this kind of open space to create.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Yes. And so everything that happens or every challenge is that comes, you see it as an opportunity to create. So some people see challenges as the problem. Some people see challenges as an opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

So in my case, they see it as an opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

I think you've always been kind of that way inclined, to be honest. I've never, I very rarely, I've very rarely seen you panic. It is now.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

That's why it's rare, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

You see? You see, it is, honestly. Indeed. Almost like a bit like an eclipse. You don't see it that often. And when it comes, get your nice glasses out and your binoculars and for posterity's sake.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Of course.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Um I've got quite a strong subject matter for us to talk to today. Sure. And I saw you lean forward, and I was like, you might want to lean back and get comfortable. Um how do I put this? That I've never seen the world or society as divided as divisive and as deceitful as it is now. Um in our continent here. Russia refining, well, Ukraine and the rest of Europe, backed by other superpowers that at the moment are still in the wings waiting to reveal themselves. The conflict in the Middle East has been bubbling. Um we saw what happened between um Israel and those in Gaza, and we've now seen that develop into Iran being introduced, and with Iran being introduced, seeing America coming in. Um I'd seen on the news in the last couple of days that uh the president of China had recalled all his citizens from Israel and was just like, I think you should all come home. Recalled their ambassador. And so on the world stage, you are seeing superpowers get into positions so that depending on whatever it is that they've decided they do or don't want to do, everybody's in that space. Um and I think for anybody that has their eyes open, it is probably the most uncertain time that especially my generation that we've lived through. And don't forget, we live through a lockdown where the governments of the world decided to shut the world down. Yes. And I'm guessing if you could give the vast majority of people the choice, they'd be like, Would you rather be living in this open society? You know, do you think we should shut everything down for that? Yeah, let's shut everybody down and send everybody home again. Um, so the first thing I wanted to ask you, Dad, was why is this conflict happening between Israel and Iran? What do you believe to be the root and stem of what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Okay, um I think it And that's a super loaded question. Super loaded, so I'm sorry on that level, Dad. No, no, that's fine. I wasn't really sorry. Yes, you're looking at a you know uh geopolitical situation that is happening in that part of the world. It's happening everywhere, but as our focus is on there, so we're going to focus on that. Now you have two countries um with their supporters in different corners and Israel and Iran. Of course, as many are aware, that up until 1948, Israel was not a nation. Scattered everywhere. And then they became a nation in 1948. Of course, the the powers that be then went into Palestine and um take some land.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Did some re-jiggeration precisely and some might call it feng shui or then geo. They were like, the spirit levels aren't right with you. Yeah, and not to diminish a very serious indeed.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

But it's already quite heavy, so if we can so you almost have you have almost almost 2,000 years between the time when Israel was a nation to the time when they become a nation again.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

That's really deep what you said, that there is a 2,000-year period that you would almost call like it's almost like a period of wandering that.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

Absolutely. So sorry, not to break that. And so um when the time came for them to become a nation again, of course, by then that that land were occupied by other people. And so, as I said, the powers that be during this that period of time, just after the world, the second world war, decided that they're going to go in and buy those the land back and put Israel there. Okay. Those who receive the funds were happy, and there were um another group that was not happy.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

So they were just told to leave without any type of enumeration.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Yeah, so some, so as I said, those who were paid um were happy, and those who were not were not happy. Of course. So, of course, they decided that they're not gonna have it. Yes. So you you have a number of different groups within the Middle East, and and one of them is what they call the Shi'ite Muslims. You have another group called the Sunni. The Sunni Muslims. The Sunni Muslims. You got the Arabs, and of course you have Israel that they refer to as the Zionists. Um now, when they came, Israel were backed by people like England, America.

SPEAKER_02 14:31

So they were backed by the superpowers, the economical superpowers.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Precisely, yeah. And it continued. Um the other opposition was Iran, which was which is the Shiite and the Shiite and the Muslim and the Sonni don't quite hit it off together.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

Well, the sh we you know that if I'm not mistaken, that the Shia Muslims that I believe that then comes under Shia law, which I think is a more what I call potent and harder line version of so that is driven by the various ideology.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

You know what I mean? And um those from Iran were determined that they're going to eliminate Israel. They're gonna wipe Israel out, okay, take them off the map if they can, and restore things back to where they felt it should be. And of course, Israel um decided that it's not going to happen. And those that back Israel decide it's not going to happen. So because Israel is backed by the superpowers, you cannot just run up in Israel's face and decide to become a good thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because they've got backing either. So in these. So the Shia people decide, okay, we got another strategy. And our strategy is to encircle Israel. So basically, we're gonna surround you. We're gonna surround you, and we are going to terrorize you, and with various little proxy wars and um skirmishes, until eventually we will create something that can take you off completely.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

So then it's almost like we yesterday we had a a really cool conversation, and we we were saying in our conversation that conquering uh conquering a place isn't the same as possessing a place. Yeah. And there is a common saying that there is more than one way to skin a cat. So some people that come in with big batteries, with we're gonna smash the walls and the gates, and others and go, no, no, no, we're going to surround you and we're gonna make sure nothing comes in. Exactly. Nothing goes in.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Precisely. Now, Israel is smart, yes, they are in very intelligent um people, and they then decided, okay, we're gonna stop you being successful with your uh militias and other people like that. So they embarked on such things as espionage and all kinds of cyber activities, which, you know, when it comes to that kind of technology, Israel is second to none. Got you. So they frustrate the process which they are which in in this case the share we're using to try to surround them.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

And from from time to time, you'll have these skirmishes. Yeah. Now, when when before um Alam, the the the leader of Iran, is I mean, uh came to power, I think it was in 1979, Israel and the Shah. That was correct. So um the Shah who were then governing um Iran were very close to Israel.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Huh.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Yes, they were very, very close. And um Israel was enjoying that kind of fellowship because as I said, they were very close to the Sony people. Now, um, so Israel um and this Sony, the Arabs, of course, were close. So Iran decided that when the Attala decided that we're gonna stop this. So he brought in um the revolutionary ideology, which is a more hard-line march, which means that there is not going to be any fellowship, there's not even going to be. Yeah, we're gonna take you out. That's it, that is the core of the uh policies where Israel is concerned.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

Dad, can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_02 19:06

Even from what you've just said, I can understand how a lot of people right there's been often a time when I watch you when you put your hands free in your holder bag. And when you put your hands free in your holder bag, you put it in and there's no knots, it's not twisted, it's gone in as a straight piece of wire in your bag. Between 60 seconds and up to three minutes, I can see you carry that bag from the office to your car. You decide after getting in the car that you need it, pulling it out, and seeing it twisted in so many knots. Yeah, and in my own head, I'm sitting there going, you don't have a creature in your bag. There is no way what was in your bag could have compromised that wire to that degree. Yeah. So, Dad, in my head, I'm like, what on earth is happening in the darkness of your bag that is causing something that you had very straight to now become knotted. Dad, I almost feel that the visuality of this conflict since what I would call 1979 up until now is the knots that everybody is kind of um obsessed with, right? But the question I want to ask, Dad, is this didn't start in 1979. How do we then identify the first inception of this conflict? And what did that look like, and how has that brought us to the point where we are now?

SPEAKER_00 20:55

You you then have to move into a more religious I'm gonna come with that the the religious ideology. Okay. Um here are people who are who believe and serving different dietities.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Right, stop. Story time, because give it to me on dad, because I can tell you're here and you're and I can see your brain going, wait, dad, I need to navigate this. Now we're into story time and we're into the the the space where dad, you it's food, it's food and drink, it's food and drink for you. Serious, dad. Wait, listen, when I start asking you to to give me the the biblical and spiritual context, I know you're there, so I'm like, dad, open the whole story because to me, this is a story of one father and two sons. Indeed. So, dad, when I look at the root of this, I'm sitting down and I'm going, this is a family feud. Yeah, it is. And anytime I've looked at a family feud, dad, if me and my brothers are fighting and you don't share our DNA, don't get involved. Because if you do, chances are we'll stop. Yeah, you will become the center of our focus, and it's a different situation. Now, there's a lot of people that are sitting there going, a family feud, what on earth is he talking about? So that's why I'm like, Dad, open it up for us.

SPEAKER_00 22:15

Yeah. I mean, Abraham. Oh, who is the the father of all these nations? So stop right there.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

So we can look at Israel and we can look at Palestine and Iran and that whole region. Yeah. And we can sit and we can we can trace both of those nations to one man. One man, yes. So tell me about this guy, Abraham.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Yes, so he came out of Iran.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Whoa, Dad, you're giving this is this is a scoop, people.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

This is a scoop. I'm being serious. That's where he came from. So Abraham comes out of Iran.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Yes. It was called Earl of Chaldees. Earl of the Chaldees, yes. Um, so I do my reading. Yes. So um, so this is where God told him to leave where he was and um to go to a place that he was gonna direct him to, which was now Palestine, Akkanian.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

See, wait, no, stop, stop, stop, just glad, because you know this story, right? So you're just hitting through, you're taking people through new lands, yeah, and they are seeing trees they've never seen before, and creatures are like so Abraham, who is the father of both nations, right? God speaks to him, yeah, because if I'm not mistaken, Abraham's father was very wealthy, and Abraham had siblings. But for whatever the Almighty was thinking in his mind, he had chosen this man to come out of that region, and then he pulls him out, and then what happens, Dad?

SPEAKER_00 24:08

So he tells him he was he was gonna send him to a land called Canyon. Now, what most people don't know about Canaan is that Canaan was the name of one of the sons of Ham. Noah's Noah's son, so yeah, so Noah had son, Noah had three sons, yes, and one of his one of his his sons was called Canaan.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Canaan. Okay, does it mean so Canaan was the son of Ham, which makes Canaan Noah's grandson. Absolutely. Got you.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

So they possessed that land.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

So right, so Noah's grandson is called Canaan. Canaan and his people then go and possess a land. Years later, yeah, God speaks to Abraham and says, Listen, I'm gonna give you a place that comes from another guy I had a covenant with. A covenant's just a promise. And so now God is promising Abraham basically the inheritance of Canaan, which is this land perfect. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

So that is how it really um began. Now, of course, Abraham and all of the occupants of Canaan um live peaceably.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

And uh so Abraham goes there and then he I don't want to say takes over, or is that the right word to say he takes over?

SPEAKER_00 25:41

But I mean it could be settled. He settled, I think that's the better word. He settled by whatever means he used for the supplement, but he did. And that became this place of love by God. And um, Abram's children, grandchildren, right down through to the likes of David and others, now build and see that place as their home and not just home, but eternally. Yeah. Of course, this is where the problem arise when Israel scattered, and I mean, because they did not follow the laws of God as they should. So he scattered them all over the world. However, it was still in his promise, divine um plan, as well as every other means that they would return to um to Kenyan, uh Palestine, as they call it now, and regathered there, leading up to his return.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

Because whose return?

SPEAKER_00 27:03

Jesus' return.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Yes. So it so that what's going on there has deep significance. Right. Can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Because obviously, to jump from Abraham to Jesus, we're talking about a millennia and and a bit further. Two, yes, rather than two. So, what I want to ask is how a man leaves his house, inhabits a new space, gets on with those that were already there, takes over that space, has children, and the legacy of his children is war. Which is why, which is why I said, okay, I need you to fill in some gaps because you kind of you went from Noah, jumped to Abraham, kind of touched on Abraham, and then jumped all the way kind of into because they, the people that are there, always see Abraham and his descendant as let's use the word invaders.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Okay. Uh they see them, that's how they see them. So they feel that they have no rights to be there. Okay. You know what I mean? Now remember that it was God who gave them that place to settle.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

And those who accepted them find themselves blessed. Those who don't, you find themselves fighting against God. Now, coming back to this war that's going on, now the people of say Iran and others, they are not serving the same God as the Israelite does. No. So that is where the ideology spills out into open hostility.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

So they feel that look, we've got our culture, our gods, our ideology, and yet here is this group planted in the middle of us that is different, and therefore we got to get rid of them. And they both now face off. Now, Israel is astute, as I said before, in that they determine that it's not going to happen.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

And they're going to use the leverage they have, both militarily, namely the superpowers, electric, you know, um technology, using technology to make the workings of, say, Iran impassable. Iran decided, okay, then we're going to use our strategy, and that is to build little groups like what's happening in Gaza, what's happening in Lebanon, what's happening in with the Hutsis. So you got all of these groups. So Iran don't have to get his hand at it, so to speak, dirty. So between Gaza, um, Lebanon, Syria, on the others in the surrounding location where the Hutchis and others are, he was going to use those. So they are the ones who has been skirmishing with Israel ever since. So you imagine a nation living in constant fear of you know that one day they could be wiped out. Okay. Now, in their wisdom, they acquire um weaponry of mass destruction.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Now they have not they have not affirmed, nor denied. No matter how much the world asks them, do you have it? Do you they think that's just it. Right. But it is it is um considered that they possess it.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

Dad, can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Now, I don't want to discount or devalue anything you said because you've given us like real necessary detail about what's going on. Whilst I was listening to you, in my own heart, I couldn't help but feel much of what you were recounting is symptomatic. In one sense, is that these are all the expressions of the fruit of the tree and not the root of the tree.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Um so the reason why I say that is because when two people either get to a place where they're in a, and I'm talking about emotionally, they're in a cold war and they refuse to talk to each other, or that that conflict has now got to a place where the the evil intent is done under the cover of darkness, right? Or you get to a place where people hold such contempt that they don't mind having open physical conflict. It's usually come from an incident to most and most people that has either been hidden because it's happened in a shielded, sheltered area, or it's happened in uh a moment where neither party or one party or both parties are aware that something is being done that is almost purposely being perceived as either a slight or an action that is based to kind of put someone on the back foot or to take them out of the picture. Um and and that's why I I'm whilst obviously 100% everything that you're saying, I hear it, it makes sense, I understand it, but I'm looking at it, I'm like, this can't be how it starts, right? Because if that was the case, you don't get to a place where there is peace. So it's Abraham in that first initial basis, you come, you find a space, and then you find a way to talk to these people about an entity and a DT they know nothing of. Right. But yet you find grace and favor and peace, and Abraham didn't lose wealth. So he's moved into a new territory, he's managed to tap into their systems, he's living, he's growing, he's getting bigger. So that's why I'm like, okay, I hear and understand everything you're saying, but what is at the root of this?

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Okay, to answer that question, yeah. Prior to the revolution that took place, everybody was at peace with each other. Okay, so Israel and uh the and Iran was buddies, okay, let's call it that. So purely the overthrow of the Shah is what led to what you're experiencing since um this period of time. Okay, yeah, and because one man decided that he's going to come create this very fundamental, this um this religious ideology, and he wants the whole region to become that, to engage in that. Right. And the one nation that is standing in the way is Israel. Okay. So therefore, he's dedicated his mission to wipe out Israel.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

And Israel is committed to not being wiped out. Right. So it is what is creating this geopolitical scenario based on who is backing who. Now, Israel can do what it does because it has superpowers that is backing it. Okay. Now, Iran, as I said, very, very powerful nation, right? Because Iran was once an empire themselves, I mean called the Major Persia Empire. And so they are they are very major. Right. And that is why they have taken the steps that they have taken and has been carrying out their gender, right? But in very in bad sides.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

Dad, can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Yeah. Where did Abraham's inheritance, where did Abraham's inheritance go to? Or through? Who who, when he dies, because especially in that time of the world and society, naturally and spiritually, right? Inheritance and legacy was a massive thing. Yes. And and this is why, this is the only reason why I'm having issues, because I don't understand how you have a peaceful father, right? Right, who has has gone through a lot. He's left wealth and comfortability to move somewhere where he's going to encounter hardship, resistance, and obstruction. He gets there, settles the place. Right. Doesn't only settle the place, gets on with everybody. God blesses him. Right. And then you get to a place where the thing you're given becomes a field of what is opposite to your nature. That's right. So then, but but that's my point. Apple trees don't produce oranges. No. So what I'm asking you is, how do we get from a guy? Because you said to me that the father of these two nations, right, is this guy.

SPEAKER_03 37:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:26

Now, irrespective of what I think about my brothers, or people look at your sons, they'll be able to sit there and go, his thread runs through them. Right. His thread runs through that one in that way. His thread doesn't run through that one in that way. His thread kind of runs through that one. Does that make sense? But there is a common thread, Dad. And the thing that I'm trying to lean you into in spaces is not that I'm not interested in what you're saying. I get it, Dad. The Shah, the Ayatollah, the Revolution, the Zionists, we're not a nation. Now we're a nation, superpowers. That's I get it. I want to know what happened in the beginning because if I can understand where the water started to get some sediment in it.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

So Abraham.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

Um, two sons.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

So you've not mentioned anything to me about his sons.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

No, I've never met that yet. No. Yeah, so two sons. That's that's a big deal. Yeah. But so that's I'm thinking you're following the thread. Yeah, but you've got so then you're taking me back to the future because you were telling me about 1979, and I'd rather know about but you have to know who these people are, yeah, and why they are connected to Abraham and why there's a war.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

But can I say something to you? If what I think you're potentially gonna say about his sons, if you led off potentially with that, then whatever you're gonna say about those two might give me context to what's happening more modern times, yes, which then means that the con that becomes the pretext to the context, if that makes sense. Yeah. But don't let me get out of here, get out of the way. So he has two sons.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

He had two sons, uh-huh, and um the two sons begin to have children, and so it's the boys always got on, yeah. So the sons always got on, yeah. The sons always got on. Yes, so what I'm saying is that the son that he had, he had one with his wife, right, one with his um maid. Right, stop, stop dad.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

I know you're of a certain generation, yes. In my generation, we call this the T, right? Because the T is uh how do we put this? It's the personal details that you don't want in the public domain that that gives the context to what might be happening.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

Yeah, but it is so important, and this is what most people do not know, and therefore the whole thing doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

I know, but Dad, I just had to pull teeth for the best part of 40 minutes to get you out of what I call the ITV slash BBC slash Al Jazeera. Okay, cool. So explain to you what happened to me. Cool. So you've got two sons, right? One with his wife, red in this day and age, that like obviously we know it's his made, yeah, but others might call Hager his side chick. Yes, I wouldn't call her that. Red, of course, I would never call her that, but to these these simple people, yeah, like right.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

So Abraham's got his wife, and then he's got his side chick. He's had his his son with his wife, and then one with his with his with his maid. Um don't let me say that word there, don't let me say it.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

Okay, cool. Dad, that would I would suggest that might bring a little bit of tension in that.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

It did, it did, it did, and it is what led off to different nations um evolving in that locality. Okay, so now Dad, quickly, let me explain something.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

Dad, if I am your oldest child from your mate, chances are I'm gonna feel like I should maybe be entitled to some stuff. If you then come to me and go, so yeah, you are my oldest, but you're not who my stuff's gonna go through. Dad, with all the Jesus in my heart, I might be slightly agitated.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Indeed.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Right, and especially in that time, yeah, the legacy or the blessing of inheritance was a massive, massive thing. It was. And so you've got the child that he's had with his maid, and now you're saying because of how that was, that the nations we now see to be the Middle Eastern nation, the Arab nations, if you will. And here's the crazy thing: that child would be a more authentic representation of where he came from than the child who would signify the promise that he was gone into covenant with with God, right, Dad? So you've kind of got these these two almost warring elements of someone's past and someone's future. Yeah. Sorry, Dad, not to cut you.

SPEAKER_00 42:51

Indeed, indeed. And um, so when you look at how they all evolve, it's what is the that is that division that you're seeing today within the Middle East. You know what I mean? And ends the reason why it to those who are outsiders, it almost seems bizarre that this is happening. Except when you look at, as you said, the geopolitical going on, others are pulling the strings in reality. Now, where Israel is concerned, they, as you hear it over and over and over, they have to have a right to defend themselves. Iran far bigger, far greater, um, more powerful in principle than um than Israel, except for the powers that be. So here they are, and they've worked it. Yeah, but they come to a point now where it's spilling over into open hostility. Isn't it strange that immediately after those nine or ten days, Israel is saying to Iran, let's talk peace. America is saying to Iran, let's talk peace. Because what you're seeing is the potential of a wider war.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

Got you.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

Which would then embody others who, up until now, Israel had done a great job to bring on side, like, say, the Qatarists, uh the Saudi Arabians, or some of the other.

SPEAKER_02 44:36

So they almost are ambassadors, and I don't mean space consecond, it would almost be perceived to be Western ambassadors within the Arab region. So you will basically, it's almost like having someone that can go in and do your bidding, yeah, whilst obviously not, you know, stepping foot themselves.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

Indeed. So the boat, and this is where diplomacy has to now be the order of the day, because the fear on the part of Israel is that given the core intention of Iran, is that if they acquire weapon of mass destruction, Israel is feeling that they wouldn't have a problem using it against them.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:26

Now, of course, as we said, unconfirmed, but many believe that Israel has got theirs.

SPEAKER_03 45:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

And all of that was going well until this very gentleman who is ruling America went and destroyed the agreement that Iran had with America to be able to defend the government. I think they call it the joint comprehensive um plan of something at the other. But what it meant was that they were going to work together. Yeah. Um the inspectors from the nuclear regulatory authorities. Of course, until, as I said, uh a friend in America decided that in his first um session as president, went and ripped it up. You get what I mean? So it so Iran is saying, okay, I'm suffering because of sanction. I've agreed that I'm going to work along with everybody, including Israel and this thing. And now you just walked in, decided, okay, I'm gonna tear it up. So they feel we'd have known we have known no alternative than to re-resume our development because again, we are at a disadvantage in that you backing Israel, Israel has got its own stuff. What do we have? And they were close to achieving their the objective. So the the folks that govern Israel decided that, you know what, we're not going to allow it to happen. Because it's not just merely about the weapon of mass destruction, it's the whole political influence that Iran had over some other people. Furthermore, if he if he's allowed to develop that, the fear of all the other Arab nations would be untenable. Dad, let me ask you a question.

SPEAKER_02 47:52

I have never seen human fear, anxiety, and disillusionment at such a high level. Yeah. Um those who have their eyes open would rather be anywhere other than Earth. And those who have their eyes closed have them closed because they are praying that they are going to wake up from this nightmare and they're gonna go back to a world that they think they remember and know. So very succinctly, very from my end, Dad, what should people do? What are they supposed to do? What are they supposed to think?

SPEAKER_00 48:44

I think, as I already said, people are experiencing this um overwhelming fear, yeah. However, fear can be can be um combated by information because lack of information creates a fear. And where people become fearful, anxiety is not far behind.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

So if you can then source information from the right place, have discussion, and and and and encourage an atmosphere of calm and understanding. So that's why people need to support such things as diplomacy, yeah. You know, I mean, having um sensible debate and not just give in to um sensationalism that oftentimes some people strive, strive, you know, stride on. It is important that one needs to have the right information. And once you do that, I believe that it would alleviate some of the fear that people are experiencing. But it's going to take that effort on the part of not only people generally, but the individuals who are placed in that position to bring um this about.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

Um lending your wisdom and giving me clarity as well, because you filled in a lot of blank spaces for me. Um before we finish this session, I want to ask you one more question. Sure. Um if you could sit down with the leaders of Israel, America, and Iran, and you could sit them down for three minutes and you'd have their undivided attention and complete devoted silence, what would you say to them?

SPEAKER_00 51:09

I think I would say to them to take out their personal agenda out of the equation and pursue a peaceful resolution from diplomatic as well as um other means. Why? Because decisions that they are taking is impacting the lives of millions, and therefore, what can ever justify putting millions of people's lives at risk? And so you would want to appeal to their better nature, if you can find any, um, to say consider humanity and work towards a peaceful, sustainable present and future rather than just allowing certain ideology to be the driving force and personal agenda.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

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