Black History Month (Part 2) - One Root Many Branches

As we enter Black History Month we embark on a journey of discovery, discuss the state of black culture, the history behind the struggle and a vision for the future. Shean asks his Dads questions to compare the society he arrived in, compared to the environment he grew up in. They also talk about black identity in modern society, and our ability to celebrate not only ourselves but each other too. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Good morning everybody and welcome to Yo Pops the podcast with me, Sean Williams and my dad. Blessings. I love the two fingers, they're amazing. Um, we hope you have had an amazing week so far and that you enjoyed the first conversation that we had in our Black History Month offering. It was an amazing conversation, some great comments about you, Dad. Okay, they love you. Why'd you look so surprised? Come on, up five. Bye. Some great comments from you. Um guys, please like, subscribe, share. You should see them all kind of rolling down the bottom. Um, also, we are on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, I love podcasts everywhere basically. Um, and we want as much engagement from you as possible. So, also please download the episodes as and when they um touch you and they resonate with you. And also, you can support through Patreon, PayPal. There are lots of means, so please go in the link, have a little look, hit that, and get involved with our journey. Um, how are you this morning? I am fine. I was that's a bit of a lie. I was a bit worried about you yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

What did you call me? You asked me, How am I? And I said, I am fine. That's true, but this if you ask me about how I was yesterday, then that's a different ballgame.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

You see, now you've got me on a technicality. That's what you waited to do, wasn't it? Just to get me on a technicality, but no, on a serious level, how you feel? I'm good, I'm good, yeah. There are lots of kind of bugs and horrible things going around. Yeah. One moment, Dad. People at home, please. Lemon, ginger, garlic, and those natural, good, organic things get in your system. Obviously, I am not trying to speak against the the health service. Oh, yes, um, and and these wonderful structures of um health administration that we have within society. I'm just saying they may be a little bit overwhelmed. Yeah. So some of these your grandmother's recipe. So they may not be um able to what's the word I'm looking for, troubleshoot as accurately as some of these older recipes that have been passed down for centuries of have gone down.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

So um I would suggest Yeah, that is absolutely correct because I remember when I was much younger and yeah, living with my grandparents, of course they didn't have the exposure to cowpoils, yeah, to the paracetamol and ibuprofen.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

And what else they got got out there at the moment? Cavonia. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

So we're never turned the so we're never turned the they find, you know, we see them come down with something, they just say, oh minute, and they see them disappear around the can I say something?

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Because now, like, now we've had former prime ministers and people, you know, get in trouble for throwing parties and lockdown and stuff when everybody should have been in their house and in their yard not doing anything. I have to say, um, that little recipe that mum made of that garlic, onion, every bitter herb that you would never want to eat at any given time. Dad. Yeah.

unknown 3:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Yeah, it's really, really well.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

In that whole period, I only got sick once.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

That's true. You have and that's that's saying a lot.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

And since I've come out of it, just having, you know, the regular intervals of what you need. I say all that to say this, guys. Some of the most simplistic formulas are in terms of their design and how they administrate healing naturally to our bodies. Um, it is the perfect what I call perception of synthetic medicine against organic medicine. You can't beat what was always here that was put here to look after us.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

And in most cases, of course, the synthetic ones do come from the organic ones, just being processed.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

That's so deep, I'm not even gonna touch it. I'm gonna leave right there and get into our black history month. Um, so Dad, I'm not going to keep you for very long because I'm I'm aware that you're a bit tired. And you're traveling soon. Yes, I'm I'm heading out to the Philippines.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Why are you telling people where you're going for? Because I want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

There's no need for no no no no no in this same age where people like to come and let themselves into people's houses.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Yeah, so then so when they said, We're we're here, why is he not with him?

SPEAKER_01 4:41

No, no, no, no, don't worry about that because I'm gonna keep it, I'm gonna keep the football. You might come in, there'll be like a little mannequin of you. I'll be like, Don't worry, I don't need you to be there. Um look, Dad, honestly, because we're a bit strapped for time. Um, let's jump into this. Uh, question three, because we got through our first two questions last week. Um, also, thank you for your openness and your wisdom and your transparency in the conversation we had. It was really, really wonderful. Um, let me pick up where we left off. Um, question three, Dad. How do we as black people balance celebrating progress whilst acknowledging ongoing struggles faced within our communities? Is there a way to do that?

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Yeah, I think I think there is. Okay. So I think that's important. And I don't think a lot of it has been done where people see or know what has been achieved. And you can't help but wonder whether it was it's intentional not to highlight um what are these great achievements. And I think that it is bringing that to the forefront and while while at the same time recognize that there's still a struggle that is going on, and it is uh being able to address both narratives um equally, I believe, that is going to really fix the the challenges that we are going through. Can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Um now there is basis to this question, and I'm gonna open it up in a wider way because I think the experience I'm going to share along with the openness of the communication we have, yeah, I think it's going to be um a simulation and a mirror for a lot of people to have some really good conversations with people closest to them, and also to understand certain things maybe culturally, right? Um now the first question I want to ask you is Dad, do you think we've ever been taught to celebrate ourselves, our wins, and our unique attributes that make us unique as a community and a culture?

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Um no.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

That is the straight up answer. And um what I do find is that uh lack of information is a major part of that, uh this for challenges. Because of course we are in a time and society that everyone can read, everyone can look at the television where it is. But if it is not there, if it wasn't as apparent as it should have been, then of course you are being kept from relevant information.

SPEAKER_03 8:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Because it's only now with things like AI that is really bringing so much to the forefront. Where I don't need somebody to tell me about the history of, say, um black culture, you can go on air and I mean myriads of information are are sitting there, which sort of opens up uh to people the reality of their past, yeah, and not just coming from a mere two situation, which is either slavery or or um civil rights activities, but so much more has been um achieved. And I think that oftentimes we're for us in what you call the diaspora, um we more focus on our present uh existence rather than the his the real historical background of say um uh black people, you know, because at the end of the day, if you look at the history, as much as many would not even want to admit it, but I was watching a program where they were trying to find this um this specimen, and they it was a black man, and they wanted to to ascertain how long our where and how it came to be in England. And when they sort of um the Cheddar Bob or Cheddar Man or whatever they were. That is exactly the one. Yes, um, Channel 4 for a moment. And they were people were total, absolutely shocked.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

Yeah, you could say they were like, There's no way there's gonna be no history.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

And it's only when you sort of go through the history, even within Europe, to see how much uh black kings rule in Europe. You know, and but these were not forthcoming, these were not the things that a lot of people were exposed to. And it's not just a narrative for in quote black people, but it's it's something that everybody should be privy to.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

No, I agree. Um that I I wanted to distill the conversation down to something a little bit more personally. Um now before I I present the question, I want to kind of give you a mental conceptual structure to maybe understand. Now, um we've had this conversation before, um, but for those watching with the ability to understand, when we speak of the biblical patriarch Jacob, right? I always say that people get very taken back by Israel as a nation because they see the vastness of the number and and them as a whole, right? But you can distill a nation down to a people, down to a family, down to a man, yeah, right? So the man has a family, the family obviously grow, they become a people, and then over centuries that people become a nation. Now, much of what would become the personality trait conflicts, right, that would maybe get into why we've seen some of the things historically that's happened, right, um, with them as a nation, is because you you can then distill that three million people into groups of 12 that will sit in the does that make sense? And that's how you can kind of align it from it being one man to all of those people and all those people back down to one man. Now I remember there was a moment a couple of weeks ago where I was talking to you about something that was going on with me personally. Now, I was very aware that whilst I was talking to you about this personally, there was a lot of stuff going on in your world. A lot of stuff going on in your world. Now, because I'm able to understand what's going on in your world, and also there was a kind of a certain way in terms of how I presented the information, something that was a big deal to me almost became a footnote in the conversation we're having in the car because I think A, it's how I presented it, yeah, B, what was going on in your own world, and then three, I I also think that there's a certain thing in our family where we kind of pat each other on the shoulder, and that's the party. Does that make sense? It's just like cool, great, keep going. Um but at the same time, if life is about balance, then there's also a time to celebrate, there's a time to be serious, there's a time to work hard, and so on and so forth. Now, when I when I kind of gave you the information about something that happened historically to me, that because of that one thing changed the whole face of what I have done musically. Right. It's almost like going, I got to the top of Mount Everest, and the person just goes, Yeah, well done. And you're like, No, no, no, no, no, people don't come back from Everest. Do you understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Yes, like who?

SPEAKER_01 13:41

And then when I was looking at these questions, I was just like, okay, A, I think it's an amazing thing for us to discuss because what I love about our relationship that it's I can talk to you in retrospect. Indeed. And it's a footnote, and I know that we'll go right back to that moment and you'll be like, firstly, I didn't even see that. I was just kind of, and I know even what I'm alluding to in this conversation, there's so much more happening in our world. Yeah, I spoke to you about this on Sunday, and I remember having a very specific conversation with you and my mum, and I said, Listen, I love you both, and whatever you're gonna do, you're gonna do. Save a little something for yourself, indeed, indeed. Right? And so it puts me in a place where I have balance within my emotional self and I don't overinvest in what I'm feeling because that can change with a conversation like this. So when I was sitting and I was thinking about it, I was just like, okay, when my dad reached what I would call the pinnacle in his in his career world, I could never imagine me, Leo, and Wallace, or one of us turning around and going, I'm not coming to Washington. And that whole thing in that, yeah, I'm not gonna do that. I'll give you a phone afterwards because in that moment it was right to celebrate decades of sacrifice and work. Does that make sense? Um now I never expected dad in my life that I would go number one and not realise I went number one to get to the top of my in terms of my where my career space, and especially because I'm moving towards a very significant birthday, right? The last three months has been like and that moment brought a lot of peace. Because I'm like the thing that most people, there's there's always like a uh there's always like a target that people want to get to in their in their life, right? And there's things they want to tick off. And ticking that off gave me a lot of peace in myself to be like, okay, now don't close the door on the other side of life that has completely different dynamics and things that you've maybe leant away from because this part of what you wanted to do required an ultra-focused, single-minded person and attention, right? Now, I say all of that to say this how do we change within our family structures the dynamics of how we celebrate each other because in the same way I think there are some people who probably will watch this and don't have maybe the the care or the depth of relationship with those in their house. Not to say there's not love and respect, but love and respect doesn't automatically mean comfortability and vulnerability. And I think Dad that sometimes these are the places that that stop what I call that um that bound connection, right? When it's when it's intertwined. Um a bit like the roots of a sycamine tree. Right. It goes deep, and the reason why that tree is so hard to kill, Dad, is because the room system firstly goes for hundreds of meters, but it's it's all intertwined. So you think you're hacking away one, and there's another three kind of linked into it. Um so how do we change the face of that within?

SPEAKER_00 17:20

I think one of the things that comes to mind as I listen to you now, I'm wondering to myself exactly what is it you're saying? Why, why does some things get the celebration as it should, uh the recognition as it should. And you realize it has a lot to do with your background, agreed, with where you're coming from and how you were brought up in many respects. And one of one of the things that from uh the culture that I was born in was that there was never a focus on one thing. We grew up with a notion of multi-focus. So because you don't we didn't have the system like what we have here in England, where if the thing that you're focusing on went peer shape, then the government has got structure in place to help you until you get back to your focus. While in say my culture there, um you didn't have that. You didn't have that social infrastructure that if things go peer shape, then you got it to fall back on. So you have to have layers of um ideas and plans going forward. So you achieve one and you're automatically looking at how to achieve the others, and you it's great, wonderful, marvelous. But if that falls, what do you have next to go to? So you move on almost instantly to getting the others in place, and it failed in recognizing and celebrating what is that one achievement. For example, like say here, a child would go into football as a typical example, and they achieve, and everybody's extremely happy that they achieved. But if things go wrong, what do they have to fall back on? And we have seen such devastation in people who one time were, as you say, on Mount Mount Pinnacle, Mount Everest, and then it went um it went wrong. In your case, I think that you've got multifaceted ability. You you got more than one ability. And a person looks at you, and perhaps I'm the number one in that, and you see so much that you are going towards, and so much that you potentially can achieve. Um, that when you achieve one, it is great. And but I know that there's so much more that you are achieving and going to achieve, that that one is like the stepping stone to other greatness that is waiting on you. In fact, you're in the process of creating, and it is that which I think affects a lot of people. Now, celebrating one's achievement in context of where people are now is vital. And I think it's going to be educational, is something that people have to be educated in because of the challenges that uh most of us are sort of uh grew up in. And you're forever going on and hoping that, as I said, you can uh you'll find uh people who will celebrate you, but it is not the norm at the best of time. You know what I mean? And it's just in recent years that you see more and more people are being celebrated than uh than than than uh compared to what it was before.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

The reason why I say it is because I think within um my experience of growing up and within our culture, we're very good at celebrating other people, but never what we say our own. And I I find that sometimes A within our community and And also within our families, we we have no problem in saying what so and so's son is doing or daughter's doing, or do you understand what I'm saying? Yes, but it's almost like we use those things as a beating stick to those closest to us, or sometimes it will come across that way because if you're only highlighting what somebody else does, then what you kind of say to the person on the inside is it you don't measure up, or what you do isn't important enough for me to uh to put on that level and pedestal. Does that make sense? Yeah. And the reason why I say that is because whilst I can completely understand everything you were saying with a person being multifaceted and having different dimensions and spaces that they live in and what they accomplish and achieve, um I think what helps a person to get somewhere is sometimes it's the encouragement or it will be something that a person does in a moment that that person isn't aware that they're doing that gives a person a little bit of petrol to keep pushing forward or to put themselves in that space. And the other thing is that I think if you're not used to talking and having these open conversations, then you and I will be you'll be seeing me, and let's say I'm being off, and you'll be like, what's this crazy boy's problem? Yeah, and you'll never sit there and go, Oh my gosh. He didn't want me to stop the world, he just wanted me to go, I see how much you've sacrificed in the last 20 years. I know what you've given to get to that space. Yeah. And I sat there and I thought to myself, it was funny because I was having um a conversation with Silky about it actually. And I tried to brush it off and he just stopped and he just said, Stop. And I was like, what's wrong? He just goes, I've lived with you for a short amount of your musical life. And he goes, I know what you've been through. Because I was telling him, I was like, I'm not gonna go get like the other plaques and stuff, and he said, Go and get them. He said, Sean, he said, go and get them. For everything that we sacrifice, have something that you can look at and go, even if you walk away from it, Sean. Yeah, and it was some of the information he gave me that made me stop and sit and go, sometimes I'm in such motion that I forget to kind of take in the view around me. Yes, and yeah, I also like I spoke to my little brother the other the other day, and I can see him hurtling towards forever situations, and because I look ahead, I'm already thinking, okay, how do I make sure I can get to America three times a year to go see my nieces and nephews? I don't I I think that will come quickly. And then I'm sitting there going, okay, I want to know about everything. I want to know when when they've made something in class, I want to know what their hobbies are, I want to know what what they think they want to do. Yeah, because within me, I'm like, if I have access to better information, then what has always been isn't, and it's not an excuse, Dad, but it that then doesn't become justifiable to me, right? To sit there and go, but what well, this is how far I kind of want to go because that's what that's all I saw. Does that make sense? And so what I I want to look at, um, because the other thing is is that for people that don't feel so celebrated, that will often cause them or lean them into different environments or um circles of people that sometimes will attach themselves to a person's moment, yeah, yeah, and what it does is it almost becomes a bit destabilizing because a person starts to lean into something that they can't verbally express why, right? And then it's almost like sometimes it can create a toxic bond because it's almost like, well, that person validates me. And and does that make sense, dad? And all of these things can sometimes be taken out and taken away on the basis of going, okay, well, how do we have a conversation and look at the fundamentals of of how we um we manage family, right? Um to which it then makes me go, maybe those things there help help shape and take away what I call the ultra-intensive focus of sometimes the struggles that we may feel, right? Like if you get to a place where it's merely about the plow, yeah, and it's never about the harvest. Dad, the reason why I love harvest is because at some point we're all meant to sit down around a table, we're gonna cook what we've been processing for the last however many months, and we're gonna enjoy it together.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

But but imagine it's just like you never get the harvest dinner, it's just like we're back to the plow, and you're like, geez, even the donkey gets a rest. Does that make sense, Dad?

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Because it does. Yeah. I think um there are two things, for example, like in the question that you've asked, is that you know, you have the celebration and you also have the recognition of the fact that um there are challenges that a person goes through. Now, uh one of the highlight of all of what I call the Black History Um month, as they refer to refer to it as, is that it tends to lean to two things in principle, and that is, as I said, this the notion of struggle through the civil rights movement. And um you you have you have the notion where um a person feel okay, we are looking at the most negative of our history, and I mean the most negative of our history, and that negative part of our history, it's only a minute part of our history.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

I never hear people talking about Mansa Musa, I never hear people talking about the Empire of Cush, I never hear people talking about the library in Timbuktu. In fact, Timbuktu, right, if the first library was found there, then what how on earth has a location that at one stage housed the most valuable pieces of the world's the world's academic knowledge? How have you now used that geographical location as a derogatory place? You now use almost like centuries down the line, dad. When a person is talking about Timbuktu, that generally refers to a place that you don't know, can't find, can't anything. It's so removed from what you know, yeah. And negatively you know, like you say, okay, he's gone, you know, all the way to Timbuktu, you know, something really disparate and negative, really proper negative, yeah, and and it's also why I understand the fury of my teacher when he was just like, are you trying to distill black history down to one guy from a southern state, indeed, from a continent that doesn't actually represent the richness of his history, who he is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

And and I think it lends itself to um to how information has been peddled and who is behind that information. That's the interesting point. What is the objective behind that in information? Yeah. And you know, when you take all of that, and uh you make you make mention of a few, but one of the the greatest um denial is that most of Europe for a longest period of time were ruled by black people. Yeah. This is the thing about it. Because before a few couple hundred years ago, there was no such thing as black and white. You see, this is a new a new concept that came about through what they call it, the American and so many other rules. Exactly. You see, that is when all of this came came about. Because, again, historically, who are we? We are one people. As even the Bible said, out of one blood, God created all nations of the earth. So, so that is something that one cannot ignore. Secondly, you you you you have the the the concept that even what is today accepted as history, the American history, European history, is really flawed. It's tinged. I mean in so many instances where they would again the narrative would be that slave ship brought black people to the Americas, to the you know, to to the West. Far from it. I mean the the the the the um all of the different monuments that is found in Peru and all different areas and places this the imagery has nothing to do with say people from from Spain or anywhere else.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Would you say that that we find history is often shaped through the lens of the the person the few. The person that appears to be shaping it. Yeah, the few. And this is why, for example, excuse me, the person that's reading it. So if I'm if for example, one thing we see in government documents, right, that the minute something is redacted, it means you do not want me to see a piece of that information that may change the whole context of the argument you're willing or you're trying to present. So what when I look at history, and I look and I looked even at the absence of black history in my academic life, yeah, then, and it's why Dad Nicholas Kinno's such an amazing man to me, because he actually sat as vice chair to the history board for teachers, which would let me know that right at the top of the structure, somebody's saying, okay, let's not confuse because that's the type of language you hear, let's not confuse that, because even something we hear with some of these far-right um political movements and parties, you know, we want a multi-racial Britain, we don't want a multicultural Britain, so we want basically British values setting this way, and okay, that's the most what I call um visceral version of it, but or the most overt version of it, the more covert version of it is just take that information away, don't have it in what I call open view, right? Because most people don't look beyond what they're being shown, which is why, and this is just me maybe throwing out a mad statement. This is why I think a lot of prayers kind of miss because a lot of the time we're praying about the thing naturally and spiritually miss the fact that the thing we should be praying about is the thing behind the thing, right? Elijah shuts up heaven. This is a biblical story, by the way. Just follow us. Elijah shuts up heaven, right? And they're praying or they're praying about famines. God sends rain. Yeah. Indeed. And most people visually are sitting there and they're like, they don't link the rain to the growth, yeah, to the famine. Yeah, so sometimes when I look at what happens within the presentations of what we do culturally, historically, it's sometimes it's the leaning into the visual of well, it's slavery, and we've never been given enough, da-da-da-da- and but then you sit and you go, but wait there, before we got to slave ships and Americas and East Indian companies, you should look that out. That was a British company here because it's a lot of trade. Go check them out, the East Indian Company. Yeah, what would make people that should be quite happy and content on their own continent, not country, dad, continent, get together and say, Do you know what that's we should go get a bit of what they got over there? Right? Not to the point where you sit and you speak about partnership and go, well, listen, we know you've got some natural stuff that that maybe is a bit more expensive and more valuable than what we have, but we've got some stuff over here that we can that there was no idea of partnership. No, it was pure conquer, control, excavate to the highest degree. Indeed. Do you understand what I'm saying? And so if you're ever if you're always only shown the struggle of the thing, which is why I was even talking about how we celebrate within black families. That's right, yeah. Dad, nobody mourns like black people do, or or should I say, I've seen some of my Arab brothers, but even in their culture, they're like, we've got two, three days of this, then we're done. Because the turnaround within the Muslim faith, I believe, when a person passes is quite quick from but for us, Dad? We'll lay the body out for a good couple of weeks, then we've got the nine eye, yeah. We've got the thing before the thing, then you've got the day, and then you've got the repass, right? And then you'll have maybe another extended period, so it's like almost subconsciously, we've been lent into the overadministration of grief, right? Yeah, which then sometimes I think leans us into this, which is why I can understand your generation and our elders sometimes like you young people, you just want to party all the time. You just you just you just want to understand what I'm saying, they just want to live life and gallivant and you know them words that like, oh no, I think Galavan, can I just want to come to both here, son? Because if we never come together to have this conversation, does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Yeah, and that's where I think the celebration is important because every culture has something to celebrate. Yeah, and I think there'd be nothing more beautiful than all the cultures coming together um in recognition of each other and celebrating those cultures. Because when all is said and done, um a lot of people leave one to go into others and see what's happening in that one. Yeah. And you know, I mean, there's so many things that have been taken from one, brought into another, modified, yeah, and presented as almost the invention.

SPEAKER_01 38:05

Two things you said to me, and I don't want to interrupt you because I'm gonna remember the last thing you said. I remember the first time you came up from the Philippines and I said, How was it? And I was shocked because I was expecting like a really big spiritual breakdown. And you said, They cook like us. You're not gonna tell me about how many souls you baptize, you're not gonna tell me about how many demons you cast out, or what type of principalities you cast on the city. You were like, the food was good, and then I was watching um something online, and I don't know why I was watching that, but this Indian woman was talking about her uh her black partner, right? And she said, You know, my family love him because he just comes around and he adapts to what we're doing, and it cuts to this video that he's found himself in the middle, full Indian dress, yeah, glasses, dad, and I laughed from such a place of joy, right? Firstly, because I found it funny, but also, dad, the way everybody in that wedding was almost gravitating to him, and so when you talk about coming together in, and I guess that's the true divine supernatural power of love, yeah, exactly. Because even Jesus' disciples, so many times they were like, Why are we hanging out with Gentiles? Gentiles, sorry, quick disclaimer Gentiles were non-Jewish people, and at that time, the Jewish people were completely just like, no, if it's not Jewish, if it's not us, we want no part of it. And obviously, with Jesus being the Messiah and who he had been prophesied to be over a millennia, they thought this was a closed party, exclusive, guest list only, Gentiles, Arabs, Nubians, not invited. And Jesus was like, No, no, no, no, everyone's invited.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

That's my history, that's my history, you see, and this is where I think for a lot of people, yeah, um the narrative that's been sold is so far-fetched, really, because again, exposure, information, and this is where education comes in, and it's really important. Um, but then normally the curriculum is who did determine that. And this is where I believe that the minority of people at the top making such incredible decision for the majority, yeah, you know, is what is really the problem.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

And and where I think if I was saying to those who are responsible for organizing things like Black History Man, number one, as I said before, it would be a whole lot longer. Two, it would be incorporated into mainstream education uh uh curriculum. And third, is to give genuine platform for expression, for information. And this is where I think it is so lacking. You know, I look at one of one of the couple of stations I look at from time to time, and what they've got this new one that come, I'm not sure exactly where it fits in, but it's there. I think it's the um the British, you know, you got BBC one, you got um um Sky, and then you've got this this other one. I think it's some kind of a national, national um, I don't say that was just like whoa. Yes, yeah. But uh, but they are allowed to say whatever they want to say. And you know, yes, they have a few on national TV. So like on terrestrial TV or is it on the sky? No, no, um terrestrial TV. And um they talk, I mean, they talk raw, you know, there's no holding back as to what they can say and how they express themselves. I agree that the that the presenters, uh, you know, it's a bit a little sprinkle of diversity of diversity, okay, but nothing to write home about. And uh and so why not have a television channel that is dedicated to presenting historical facts, the various narratives, a platform for expression and information education that is going to level things up a little bit, you know what I mean? That for me would have far more benefit and contribution to what I believe that some are trying to do.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

Do you know I think whilst I completely agree with what your sentiment is, Dad there's nothing worse, and I'm gonna use like a card game analogy, there's nothing worse than being asked to show your cards, and you realize if you show your cards they're gonna see the five you got hidden up your sleeve. Yeah. Which when a person offers a good solution, and a good solution is turned down for a worse option, yeah, we're not heading in the same direction. Because there is nothing wrong with outlandish or what I call um be prudent about what you You've just suggested, especially with the state of the world and attention, Stad, which leans you into sitting and going, So then why if you have the power to, would you not want to put medicine in the water? Why would you allow an American billionaire that's shooting rockets every minute he can would back a far right conceptual push from America? So then, Dad, you look at it and you go, Okay, we're trying to put chlorine in the water, and you man are trying to put your little pee-pee in there and then trying to offer it to us to all drink it. No, we're not gonna drink them ting there. So I say dad is always being where you turn around and you go, we get the four corner out, we go, everybody kick out the pool. Them nasty boys over there in the corner, you that yeah, that is not new chlorine colour, that is what you hope it isn't. Because that I feel like with what you said, that's the solution.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

And if if if we as families, well, firstly, as people, can then make a decision to love within our family, then the love within our family should spread out to our community, yeah, and then through our communities, that's how we affect the whole nation, Dad. Right? Because it's that same thing of man, family, people, nation.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

Does that make sense? Yeah. But one of the things that I want to say, and it may be so far out of the yes, that most people wouldn't even accept. One of the problems that we have is that we don't see the rest of the world as the rest of the world sees us. That's perfect.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

Yeah, that's I mean that's that's a really there is a certain level of equality that we as a people embrace with every person we meet.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

And having traveled extensively, you know, I realize that this is something, and it is perhaps the reason why because let's take example, as you said, India. You go into India and you find Africans there taken from home centuries, yeah, dropping to a culture and having to survive there, and they survive. Yeah, it's take, for example, the Philippines.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

Now, what most people don't even know about the Philippines is that the indigenous people are from are from Africa. Yeah. The Chinese.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

It's the same thing, and you go right throughout history, and you find that that's where the root is. So being the root, you cannot disregard the branches. I mean, and that is where I think a lot of our problem is. And it's like, say, Jamaica. That's why our motto fits so perfectly out of many one people. Because that is how we see it. Yes, you go to Jamaica, you'll find um Caucasians that is Jamaican, you'll find Africans that is Jamaican, you'll find Indian that's Jamaican, you find Portuguese that's Jamaican, you find everybody there living together as one. And what makes the difference are those who are historically rich. You see, that is where I think a lot of problems with us and our people is, is that you've got those who are historically rich compared to those who are forever trying to get by.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

And um, and this is why the narrative is changing, especially in such things as Africa Rise, because people are saying, okay, tell you what, can we have back our stuff, have back our our country, have back our gold, have back our diamonds, and a lot of places are having to give back because in the first place, why did you take it? If you did not put value on it, I recognize the beauty and the wonder of it, why did you take it in the first place? So this is what is happening, but it's not those things that make the difference. It's the fact that, and I always see the the the celebration that happens on the 6th of August in London in um in House, you know, um the the Nothing Hell. Nothing held the Nothing Hill carnival. Everybody are there celebrating. Everybody comes together, you know, from the even the police, you know what I mean, they're able to celebrate. See, that is our concept of life in real in real terms, not to be necessarily separated and treated as a separate entity, because historically, and in every other area, it's never been the case. We are like the root, you know what I mean? And so the root cannot deny the tree or the branches, as it were. That's the perfect place to start.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

The root cannot deny the tree or the branches. Beautiful, guys. We hope that you've enjoyed this conversation. We have part three that we'll be getting out to you before Chief Galivanter here gallivants away. Um, but like we said like we said before, please like, subscribe, share. You can donate through PayPal.me, our Patreon. Um, my URL is at Sean Williamsworld. My father's URL is at bishop. So feel free to follow, subscribe, share, and we hope you have an amazing rest of your week. And we look forward to seeing you next time, guys. From me, take it easy, and my dad. Stay blessed.