What's going on in the world?

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SPEAKER_01 0:21

Hello everybody, welcome to Yo Pops the podcast with me, Sean Williams, and more importantly, the the star of the show, the centrepiece of the table, the cornerstone. Keep going, keep going. The eighth wonder of Cambridge. Hi everyone. How are you gonna sit and say keep going? Why do you want me to pour these these these bullets on you?

SPEAKER_02 0:43

Yeah, it's because it's it's your right to do that. It's my right to work out. Yes, I'm brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

You're way too comfortable with this stuff. Way too comfortable with this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

How are you doing? I'm good. I'm good. This feels good, no? Yeah, it is nice. It is very, very good.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

You do whatever you want to do. You want to make a little tie.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Exaggeration. Again. Firstly, it's nice for us to be back. Yes, I'm very, very happy. I think a lot of people have been missing it actually. They've been missing you.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Yeah, you too. You know. I'm also like, you know, in those old school Disney programs like the films where you have like the main cast and then you have like the narrator. Now you need the narrator's voice because it's comfortable, right? Because you trust that he's telling the story. But I'm not like, you know, like in Robin Hood, you got the stalk, right? And he sits and he plays the guitar, and he's necessary because you you need him to sing Ravin Hiddenly John walking through the side. But he's not Robin Hood or Little John.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

No, so yeah, I also um uh I remember the snake as well. Are you calling me a snake? No, no. That's go on, tell me what you remember about hits. It's this yeah, very tricky fine. It was tricky for trying to say that I'm tricky fine.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Whatever. I'm not saying anything. Listen, let's let's move on and keep the script in peace and dignity exactly where it needs to be. So last time, you well, we took a little break because you had to do a little bit of travelling.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Yeah. How was traveling? Um travelling was good. It was in the Philippines. Yes, it was. Uh, a few nervous moments with all the volcanoes getting pretty active. That's like the second time you nearly got stuck there. That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

And you took a new missionary over there with that.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

That's right, I did, I did, and he really enjoyed the first time going to the Philippines. And I must give credit to the Filipinas, they really made him feel absolutely welcome. But they are a really genuine people though. Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Like if they love you, they love you for real. And their hosp their hospitality is always sorry, I thought I heard a phone dialing that don't. No, my bad. Don't worry, um, they're amazed with their hospitality, and also in the flip side, Elder David's job is very intense, and because he works at like the sharp end, that's right, a lot kind of runs through him. So for him to be able to kind of obviously, you know, his spiritual vocational calling.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Yeah, it was good, and he really I make sure that he there was some quality time for him to relax and do a bit of visit to sites and different stuff like that, and uh so the people really, really make him feel welcome. I think he just kept laughing all day.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Okay, yeah, that would be. Actually, question how did you find it on the basis of because usually when you travel in that kind of space, you'll have a couple of facilitators or assistants that may do little bits and pieces for you. But did you find that it was easier to delegate the workload? Did you kind of maybe find yourself a little bit like, oh, like I'm not used to maybe having kind of extra arms and limbs to do stuff?

SPEAKER_02 4:00

No, that was really good. Um having them because obviously I was able to break break up the time when I'm actually preaching or teaching.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Um, because they were there and they uh played their part. So um both Elder and Michael uh were able to share the the workload, as it were, and um the people love it. Do you think it'll become a bit of a blueprint of how you handle things in the future? I think I would love that. I would love very much to have others going with me. And um as I get younger every day, it will be really good to to have some oldest old olders go out. I think you're funny, don't you? I see. Yes. I see you can't. But it it it would be a good thing to do that.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Yeah, I think it will be helpful. I think it'll be very helpful. How are you dealing with the weather change and the finally the season? I mean, uh dad, one week it's winter, the next week it's autumn, then the week after that we get two weeks of summer. I don't know how to regulate it. No, it's uh it's most challenging, but I love the sun, I must say.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

No, me too.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

I love when it's when it's shiny. And we live in a beautiful city that when the shun when the the shun, when the sun shines on Cambridge, oh my gosh, that is marvelous. Great. My walks in the morning are just they're they're different. Yeah, absolutely. But I have been the weather has been a bit though weird to to to navigate.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Yeah, it's it's happening everywhere. It is um a global problem, yeah. You know, you know what I mean? It really is, and wherever you go, you're hearing the same kind of complaint about it. Yeah, um, but it's not catching us unaware. We know that there's going to be all kind of climatic changes that are gonna take place all over the world.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

True. In fact, I've got something really interesting to talk to you about. So two weeks ago, um I was in London doing a show for Craig because it was the 25th. Happy 25th anniversary, you're born to do it. If you haven't got it, go get that album. It's a great album. Um and we had two big shows in London, and they're the only shows we're doing today, right now, in London. And as you know, I've just completed my level two in counselling.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Oh wow, congratulations. You knew this. I told you this today. It's just a it's for today. Congratulations for today. Yesterday's congratulations was for yesterday. You know what? Well, well got you should have been a lawyer.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

As you know, I've just I've I've I've completed my level two. And can I be completely honest? I went into the pro right here. You're you're firstly you're called to do what you're what you do, but as a leader in ministry, you're very good at what you do because you spent your 10,000 hours perfecting and becoming an expert in what you do. Dad, I started in music and then saying it very young. Yes, you did. I have my 10,000 hours. So, Dad, there is a place where I can get to where I can be, I can almost be on autopilot, right? And get the job done without expounding like serious amounts of energy. Yeah. Apart from I had an equation that popped up that dad, I was not counting on. Dad, I loved it. No, the the I loved I loved the I loved the whole process of it. Dad I I loved rehearsal. Right? And we had to work. Yes, but like I loved rehearsal. I loved listening to little lines that people would play for no reason at all. I love being around the crew, I like talking to the tour manager. Okay, Dad, I love the shows, like, and and obviously there were little bits and pieces that where you sit and you go, okay, cool. I wish if I had, you know, I would have liked to have done more with this or I would have wanted to put more into that. But the you know the cut and thrust of you can either do this or you can't do this.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Yeah, I must say I was quite impressed with a little snap that I saw, you know. Um You're never coming to another show ever again.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

I know I didn't come. No, you're never coming to another show ever again.

unknown 8:39

Huh?

SPEAKER_01 8:40

I got you tickets to the O2, and what did you do? I can't remember that. Exactly. Let me tell you what you did.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

No, no, let me finish, finish, finish, say about what I saw. Because I know you, I know you, I know you the naughtiness of your heart. Come on. Because I'm coming back. Wanted to trick me out of to say what I saw. I'm not gonna trick you out. I thought you were very good. I must say, you know, the performance in between, I'm not sure what was going on, but they allow you to do another real trick.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

You just go ahead and craig me to go to the toilet. Okay. We can't ladies and gentlemen, at this moment in time, we're gonna have a lavatory break.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

I have to have to write to them about that. They can't have my son just of course they can't.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

But can I be can I be honest with you though? Like, I have to give Kwame lots of credit, right? Because I'm at breakfast and I'm enjoying my breakfast. I'm there, Kwame's there, Laura's there, and then Kam and Marshall's there as well. And where was Marshall's somewhere? So we're sitting there eating breakfast. Kwame's like guys, I've heard that guys before, Dad, right? And I refuse. Oh I refuse to look up dad. I'm like, no, I'm eating my craft. He's like, so we need to build a little something because we need um, and it was a very specific amount of time, we need some space so that Craig can exit for a second, and then um the audience can, you know, we can keep the show going and they not, yeah. And to be fair, dad, it's for two hours and he's on, he's on like every second of every minute. So to have two minutes, because it when it the time it amounted to is three minutes um to have that moment kind of just to go use the bathroom and you know, and do whatever. Um and so there was a there was an idea and a concept that Craig and Kwame had been speaking about about building kind of this framework for this for this little section, but like, and this is why I love Kwame as my MD dad. I looked up at Kwame and I went, nope, absolutely not, not doing it, no, no, no, no, no. And he was like, Sean, I haven't got time for this one. I said, You haven't got time for this. I said, I haven't got time for this. I said, Come on, I'm enjoying breakfast, I'm having breakfast with you and everybody, so that we can just have sweet communion. I said, This doesn't involve work, work doesn't start till 4 p.m. Um, but we got the bit together and it was amazing. And I think what you saw was like I've been in the band for just under 10 years now, and I would say, um, well, other than Smiley, uh, who came I think a year after me, we've been all we've all been together with this version of his band, because obviously Craig's been doing it for much longer. Kwame's been with him since the beginning. Marshall did the second album, joined in 2010, Marcus, 2013, um, Laura, I think two years before me. So this version of the band has been together for like 10 years, and it's the it's the non-verbal communication you have on stage that right, the things that you do that you don't need to talk about, but you see, and and it's just and I didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I did that day. Because obviously, the last time we did a band show together was over a year ago. And in that time, like we've been doing the Bible study, we've been doing the podcast, I'm trying to become a counsellor, I've been teaching now at Pat Slobal. So, in terms of my my performing space, yes, I do private situations and stuff, but in in that sense, I think I'd kind of drawn the I'd brought the curtain down on it a little bit in my head, yeah, did well, in in reality, and then dad, that those five days, something in my heart and my spirit just went. I was like, Oh, I like this, honestly, dad, and I actually wanted to maybe touch upon that on also on a couple of other things. Um for people that potentially are either transitioning out of a certain season and what they can do in that, transitioning into a certain season, but also for those that maybe find themselves kind of just moving in new spaces, and maybe they're wondering if moving into next means closing the door on what was, and potentially if moving into next means leaving the door open, so that especially if you're multi-skilled and multi-faceted, you are what's the word I'm looking for? You're bringing all your skills through. Because for me, Dad, I'll be honest with you, like, if you'd said to me up until that point, like, you know, what are you looking to do? Where's your mind that I wouldn't have necessarily overly involved music in that conversation? And then I found myself obviously on the stage and and and in that space, and obviously I'm with people that I love very much, but I trust implicitly on that stage. Um and it's also something that um it's a service that I feel honoured and humbled to be able to give. Does that make sense? Yeah, um and so yeah, like how how would you advise people that like I was saying that are either transitioning into something new or transitioning out of something they've always done, or wondering if it is time to maybe leave one thing and move into something else?

SPEAKER_02 14:15

I think it I think it it largely depends on gifts and um talents or purpose. Because if it's if it is something that you learn, then you may feel that yes, it goes for a period of time and then you want to move on because it's not really your core gift. But what is your core gift, you never want to move away from it. Um, you may change how you perform or how you do it, yeah, but you're gonna stay with it because that's what is in your core. And so what you're good at is what you're always gonna be best at. You know, I like that. Yeah, what you're good at is what you're always gonna be best at. You see what I mean? So because it's core, then you're gonna enjoy it. Because really and truly, you're not only doing it from your physical um ability, but you're doing it from your both mental and spiritual. And so transitioning, as I said, largely depends on what it is and how whether you're gonna enjoy it or it's gonna work for you. You, as you said, 10 years and you're just seasoning into singing and performing. And I can see from the reaction of, say, the crowd, you can tell there's a whole lot more to give. And people were very receptive to the performance indeed. And I think if anyone were to ask me, which of course nobody is, but um if they were, I would say that it's really time for you to to step onto that stage and um and and do your thing.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

There's new stuff to be done, definitely. I think something that's good to maybe look at that. Why do you think people sometimes find themselves relenting when they should be pursuing?

SPEAKER_02 16:14

I think it it it's again depending on what they feel they've got um confidence in. Okay. Um, you see, although you may be gifted with something, but you may not feel you got the confidence in executing it on the level that um that you should. And I've seen this a great deal in places like the Philippines and Africa and the Caribbean. Fantastic singers. But you will not get them to go into a studio and put anything down. They just don't feel that because it is naturally gifted to them, yeah, it's of any value. And and and uh unlike if they had gone to a music school or something of that nature, they would feel yes, somebody has certified me as a as a singer and therefore they have the confidence to to go and do that.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Do you think that's the B side to any gift that you get that I'd like to think that when I'm in the evening with my students, the ones that are naturally gifted, the thing that I usually um focus more on is the work ethic. Because that's the only thing like the gift is it's having the base ingredients right there. But the work ethic is is how much you put it in the oven and you prime it and you make sure it's ready to go. So I think because it's something that I've said to you before, is that your natural ability to activate a person isn't natural, right? Because most people don't get past sensory level yet alone to get into the emotional world, then to move past the emotional world and get to the spiritual core, right? Which is where that real activation happens. So do you think that it's a case where sometimes when you're that gifted, that the the focus shouldn't be on what you do well, but rather the maintenance of the routine of that yeah that builds what you do that makes it that thing bad?

SPEAKER_02 18:23

It it requires both. Yeah. Um, but in any in in any given situation, you're going to have one somehow taking the lead. But in principle, in principle, what you're good at, you know, should really yes, it runs along and you work at what you're not naturally good at. So if your work ethics and all of that is what you're not naturally good at, then that is where a lot of emphasis should be placed. Because when you bring the two together, um, then you're gonna have an explosion, you know, which is which is what which is what you want. And so if you focus on what you're really good at, then you're still gonna have a problem because the other aspect to that is not gonna meet up to expectation and standard. And so I would say that a lot of people need to have a balance in both how they work on things as well as what they're naturally good at.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

How would you say, um, or how what would you suggest would be the best way to develop that balance?

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Um, again, they can they can do so by interacting or taking on board somebody whose proclivity is to train and teach some some someone. Um a lot of people, of course, sometimes don't get engaged with that as they should, because anyone with that kind of skills, you know, it the costs, the charges, um, a certain month, and a person may feel, I haven't got the resources to employ, you know, for example, like a trainer. I mean, a lot of people would like to look a certain way, but you know that if you're gonna get a personal trainer, you know, you gotta pay them to do the job that they need to do. Or if you have to go to the to the to the the to the gym, you got to know that, okay, you got that money rolling in um every every month. So those are some of the um those are some of the the things that can be a deterrent to a person achieving their their goals.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

I think also that it's also about finding a way to insulate yourself with better, right? So that might be, and especially with the amount of time that people spend on their phones and scrolling, there will be people in better positions than you, um people with more experience than you have. And because of the way that the internet and the world is set up, there is so much information nowadays that is easily accessible. So even if you're in a place where you couldn't potentially um afford a trainer or a top-level coach in that area, there are things that obviously you can still do to insulate yourself so that whatever you feed into where that's concerned, it's better than the base rate of what you know.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Because then the minute you're and it's also why I I enjoy working with with the guys so much because they're multi-instrumentalists, they're they're musical readers as well as hearers, they live in different spaces, so they work in the same air, like in the same space as me, but in different areas that I don't know about. So there are things where I'm consistently learning. Does that make sense, Dias? Yes, and I think that that sometimes when you refuse to insulate yourself or attack. yourself to better than where you are. You almost stop your ceiling of learning because if you're the most intelligent person in the room, then then what are you really gonna learn? Does that make sense? Yep. And so um yeah I I I think that's an amazing but as you mentioned about the internet this one of the the good thing about the internet is that you can scale up.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

Yeah that's true. You know what I mean to whatever level you feel you need to. It's it's like a bottomless pit really. You can you know you get to a certain level and you want to go deeper but you can you know really beyond where you ever think you you can be and that is why even the even the uh inventors you know has found that they have invented something that seems superior to them. You know what I mean because what they have created that this thing can do humanly possible they can't even do it. You know, their ability so so it it really is an amazing thing. So it benefits those are the masses who need information without the vast expense layout that they have to do. And so it it all depends on how much people take it on board.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

And it's one of the areas that people are really trying to encourage everyone to learn as much as they can while they can you know because things are moving so fast that if you don't catch it now you may be playing catch up all your life now in conjunction to things moving fast and to also do a 180 on this conversation did you hear about this attempt on the president of the United States's uh person yes now let me just lay the table and then you can go wild dad you want to use chopsticks you can use chopsticks you want to use a knife and fork you can use a knife and fork you want to use your hands you can use your hands right now Dad fool me once shame on you fool me twice you're a bit of a fool fool me three times right yes you're a new fool dad now listen and I need to make this very clear because here at YoPops we are a non-political leaning entity we merely commentate on the world people we we our services are not for sale we do not endorse anything or anyone because we refuse to come down we sit on the mountaintop looking at surveying everything we do not get involved so what we're gonna do is present information right and that's all we're gonna do we're gonna present information that's been presented to the world on a mass basis now Dad allow me to present you some information President Trump right he's already okay in quote based on what the information they've given us he's already been shot at dad right there's already been an attempt the bullet remember it grazed his ear yes okay that's what they told us that's right okay so they told us it grazed his ear and we saw the pictures live oh my gosh oh my gosh President Trump has been shot oh my gosh I was like okay the second thing you have the very disturbing and tragic passing of that young man Charlie Kirk when and he at that point he's attached to the government in a massive way there are some people that are saying that you're looking at one of the future leaders of America in the free world he was endorsed I think I'm right by saying by President Trump and the administration that liked him a lot and you have a young man dad that manages to find his way up onto a roof of a building and to end this man's life in front of the whole world. That's right okay and then you get this dinner right where firstly dad the president of the United States being anywhere is enough for you to shut the whole place down. Right. Now let me give this context we live in a beautiful leafy city this quite well to do called Cambridge right about 250 meters that way is a very famous road here we have called Mill Road. Right Dad some of our Muslim brethren they bought some land yes and they built if you look at the architecture a beautiful edifice indeed yes when they wanted to dedicate the edifice they called the president of Turkey President Erdogan right not London Cambridge when President Erdwan touched down in the city dad you couldn't get up and down this road here right this is not the this is not the the leader of the free world this is President Erdogan that's come to England he's not in London he's in Cambridge they shut down the whole pretty much the city dad you couldn't really move centrally I did the Queen's Platinum Jubilee Dad when I got out of the station at Green Park you couldn't move without being checked by someone dad I am hundreds and thousands of yards away from the palace right and even when I get to the front of the palace to get to where the Queen is which is you've got to go through some like buildings right dad where we were stationed like performers and entertainers we were like somewhere on the grounds of the palace but most of us were just on the outside dad there was no freedom of movement. Right and her majesty wasn't even there she was down in Sandy chilling out right this was for the Corgi's dad right so when I hear that they're having a dinner Trump is there the whole cabinet is there and this was the best bit there was um uh another like government uh there was another government event happening at that same hotel dad and that hotel's famous because there was an assassination attempt on a previous American president there years ago um and this one particular reporter who says that he basically his office is looking overlooking the White House he said when this previous um official dinner was happening there was 15 protesters outside he said um I think the place is I think the road is called Connecticut Avenue now he said that this is the main road or the main thorough through that connects the Maryland suburbs to everybody coming in that wants to get to downtown Washington to see the White House.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Dad the man said they shut down the whole road for 15 protesters now I work in TV and entertainment dad I understand the value of production when you want to message somebody if you want to create context and everybody whether you want to admit it or not America's president is in terms of an entertainment and media production like uh conceptually daddy's genius yeah he uh this is a person who's been involved in you know wrestling WWE he's been in WWE pay-per-view dad okay right so the man understands like how you sell a show the apprentice absolutely yeah dad I can't believe that the security would be that lax for a president in the middle of a war who's already had an an assassination attempt against him in quote has watched somebody who the party want to push as another potential leader of the free world has been expired and then you give these people and the word on the street is that is that the the you could get into the building the metal detectors were only if you wanted access to the ballroom right to where they were all having dinner that make it make sense please okay now I think for me the first sending us to jail um no no okay cool thanks or getting us struck off I think we have done well we have done very well yeah you're right you're right you're right I think the the the the immediate take from it for you to make an uh an attempt in somebody's life you have to be where they are that is the first thing about it and the brother did not get into the ballroom is it so whether or not you know let me call it the props didn't go quite to plan because at least they should have allowed him even if they take him down they should have could have at least dragged him into the ballroom to say that he was he was in the ballroom it's the big da da da da you caught him in the yeah that's a good point that's a good point so so that for me was uh was kind of bizarre okay secondly given the fact that you're dealing with presumably an attempt or potentially potentially an attempt because it has to be it didn't it didn't happen yeah you know it's it's but what potential potentially could happen. So you're calling it a potential attempt yes okay that's what uh that might be the name of this podcast potential attempt no I love it you potentially attempted yes you know I mean that's brilliant and uh potential of attempt yes and normally if anybody with that amount of ammunition they wouldn't have time to tell the story they would have been dead it is an automatic response yeah from security yeah that somebody like the with with that do that is you know mean you you they're dead then you ask questions yeah they would have issued anyway then the other thing that I thought was most fascinating and this is from my observation yes you would normally save the president first instead of he was the last one to get wheeled up when I look and I'm seeing the president hunched another thing is I'm like dad you see that table it's it's cloth over that table you know so if you shoot through that cloth you think the cloth's gonna stop but you know what I find most incredible brilliant most most incredible is of there are a number of scenes that you know I find incredible number one the president um had to take second place to the vice president so they they they they bungled the vice president out first didn't they get Rubio out first no um no but you sure it wasn't Rubio they got out first no no no the president the vice president oh my god so so so this was for me um bizarre so here you're taking out you're rushing the vice president out and the president is sitting there like a just look look looking around thinking what's going on you know what I mean and um and then they got the others out and last of all they come back for him they're like they come back I know we forgot something you know I mean we forgotten something so they come and and get and get him so when you look at that and it's like production doesn't it yes you know it does it does I must admit um to no matter how you want to produce what would you say is it Bollywood Nollywood or Hollywood what level do you think they executed at I think they haven't yet discovered uh a a genera uh uh production because Bollywood you know good Nollywood getting good is is a you know they got a few Dutch um production but they're getting good much better but this was you see it's a league of its own this is incredible for a place where the way you say this is incredible because I mean America is the place where you make films you know I mean films that will make you sit down and cry your eyes out you know what I'm saying that you know what the scary thing about this is is that we're getting to a stage where nobody's gonna believe anything.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

That's is it that is it that and and that to me is it's scary for a couple of reasons because it's at that point that everything usually descends into chaos and I can't believe that the civil servants that they have in place on the other side of the Atlantic are um how do I put this I can't believe that they're that absent minded to sit there and say listen if we don't get a grip on this right this is gonna descend into something that we can't control unless that's also part of a a framework should we call it that is not necessarily visually apparent to us dad because I think most of us sit at home at night and watch the news and we can't believe the things that we're hearing yes right for example and I'll be very interested to hear what you think about this I have dad I'm watching Kia Starmer right and have you ever seen a Western I'm gonna make you dunce with me Dad Kelly Bailock right and the liberal dev and and those black bench's dad they are shooting at his feet and he dad he's doing his best Fred of stare impression now that I've got to give you this right I think he knew about Mandelson Dad yeah I think they all knew about Mandelson of course he's had that horrific you know what his nickname is the Prince of Darkness yes right now anybody that he needs that man needs some hands late and oil and hands and dad I believe right I believe Keir Starmer knew right but there is a little and I've got a caveat for the Prime Minister for this okay I believe he knew I believe he's dad Keir Starmer's a cautious guy he's not going he's not a guy that's like right all my chips on red let's blow up this five million let's spin it let's see he's not that guy dad which means he was given assurances that Kia there is a 1.75% chance that this goes wrong and it gets back to you right and he weighed up those odds dad and he said to me he was just like Trump is impossible to work with I'm not in favour with him I don't like to do the things that he likes to do I don't I don't I don't know the people that he knows we need a shrewd operator on that side of the Atlantic that can play to the president but also work our what we need work our agenda on this end okay and Dad I think at that time he may not have had access to certain of the Epstein files because I think if he gets access to them and he sees how Mr Mandelson is is is is in there with others right I think and this is just based on how he comes across to me dad he sits and he goes no no no I can't do this this is too no no no no I can't do it right which then means that he's made a calculated risk that has backfired so bad on him dad and now he's he's sitting here and every time I see him in those prime ministers questions it it feels like why are you laughing like that?

SPEAKER_02 39:33

No because I I've seen him too dad I I feel sorry for him yes like he's dad to talk about under pressure very much um very much but what do you want to start with Trump or yeah I mean I want to finish with with Trump okay because there's something that I thought because I have this feeling that Vance is going to get the sack no JD Bounce here well over the fact that he was writing up do you know what people we're not betters over here but for those of you that like a little a little taste go put some money on JD Vance relieve the visibility because when he sits down because you know um different times of the night when I can't sleep for what it is as the president so you would have had time to review the the the film you know what I mean and see what happened and how well it it it went or didn't go you said I mean this you see that they left him on the table of sacrifice oh wow it's I mean while while they're taking the vice president you know I mean that is would be unacceptable it's it is unacceptable even to us looking on it's unacceptable the man is a president you know so you were like everybody should first get him out so you so when you were watching it you were like why is they why is it Trump exactly and he seemed very comfortable with it I don't know if he didn't know what was going on is something that we would you think he said to the producers all right I understand the just in the storyline but don't tell me how it happens so just let me let me experience it so my my my reactions look authentic to everybody else's but you get the vice president the safety and then you think oh we haven't got somebody you know OTUS himself I don't think of that so so I think his his job is in danger um do you think they'll let him fire him you think they'll let him fire him of them let him he's not a he's not bothered we fire anybody anybody who will take his standard that we've seen enough in the last little while to suggest that potentially there are those that brief the president and it's not really a briefing it's more of a like this is what you're gonna do today and I don't know if and especially seeing as they've been sending France out to do some of these negotiations right even though Iran's like we're not coming halfway there they're like yeah we're not coming okay turn the plane around um he would to me he would appear to be the most uh what's the word I'm looking for acceptable face that they would try to present to the world because he looks like an an American presidential right yes yes um yeah but with with with uh the the president you know nobody takes his glory you know that he he he'll do anything for the glory you know he'll he will invent dancing you know I mean that that is on another level you know I mean and so he loves that so to to in such a situation you know I mean to secure the vice president instead of him is is a situation anyhow let's move on to to uh to our uh our pres uh prime minister here yeah now I think he makes some very uh critical mistakes okay yeah and one of those is that he promised the country the world doesn't mean when he when he only have a city that I would say he can't even get down a couple streets that he's struggling with the cold stuck over there so he's trying to sort of see how can he now you know deliver what he promised and he did it such did in such a good way because he had help uh from the likes of um Mandisum the likes of his um they were One that he sucked. Yeah. So they're the one who get him into number 10. They were the geniuses, the spin doctors, et cetera. So of course, you you make promises in cases like those, you know, who's gonna get what, when and how, etc. etc. And of course, um Mr. Madison couldn't see any way in which he's gonna get back to that pinnacle uh of which he he fell from. You don't know. Yeah, he fell from a mighty. Yes, oh goodness me. You don't really survive from them kind of fools, yeah. You're not supposed to at least. But somehow he was working his way through it, and of course they found Starmer who was a willing participant, you know, we're willing, in spite of the fact that he is a lawyer, in fact that he was the head of criminal prosecution, so therefore he's a Mr. Squeaky Clean person who you know is going to stand up for integrity and all of that. And but for him, staying in government was more important than any integrity, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 45:13

Manderson or Castarma.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

Castra, yes.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

You don't you don't think he wanted to get kicked out as primary, like he wants to do that?

SPEAKER_02 45:18

No, he wants success. Because, you know, here's Britain on its own, out of the EU. But they seem to be kind of, you know, when you kind of make well you he he wants to get back in, you know what I mean. So so this is where it was. So a number of uh issues on the agenda, and he wanted to make a name for himself. He wants to bring something to the table to say, look, this is what I've done. Yeah, you know what I mean. And the person by virtue of um association was Mandesel. Because Mandesil uh Mandelson, um uh whatever his name is.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

So that you call him whatever you want to call him.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

You're fine, I mean everybody knows who he is. Yeah, we do. Yeah, so so they were close buddies by association. Stom and Mandelson. No, um Mandelson and Roman Trump.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were real tight.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

You know, you know, Mr. Papa.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Oh, I thought I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 46:35

And if you didn't see my tour, really cross done as well. Cross it all. So you're going to get someone like him in Trump, it will be a it's almost like a kind of a black male. It is, is it? Because many can be like, he knows the body like that. Yes, exactly. So whatever his power play got wrong, he saw it. This was his Trump card, you know, literally.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

Yeah, you're right. You know, it was a way to put the American president on a leash there. Of course. And we were walking Trump like a like a French.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

And by the time they clamped down on Trump, you see, Mandelson would have gone in there, get all the benefits, you know, of uh the connect the connect. Do you know Mandelson made them pay him off when they sacked him? Oh, yes, but I mean that money you have to perhaps give back because he's on bail at the moment, isn't he? No, not that.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

He he was meant to get apparently 150 grand and they couldn't clear the 150.

SPEAKER_02 47:47

No, but they gave him 75. But even that is is uh is questionable now because according to his friend, he lied to them. Okay, keep saying Ollie Robinson. So exactly, so he defrauded um the government. But Mandelson is the type of guy that he would take the government to court, you know. Well, I I mean he he he's fighting just for his own um existence, you know, you know, basically. But the thing that I find is um Starmer, what he did with those guys up front, these um it's um the guys whom he put he truck under the bus as it were. Yeah, you see, now they got I gotta give it to Holly, you know, he did a marvelous job. Oh Holly Robinson. He he did a marvelous job in how he um laid out the information without incriminating himself uh to you know break um you see he he managed to point a finger with no index for all the thumb.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

You know when a person goes, I'm not pointing the exactly I'm not pointing at anyone.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

But look at yeah, he did a he did a superb job at the the the wise pick it up quite quickly. They did, you know, the wise included. Yes, they did. And of course, I sort of feel that the the all the powers that be around this time know that he's caught in a trap and he can't so they don't have to rush. They can they can play it out slowly so that everybody gets the right gist of it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 49:31

So do you think it's more a matter of if rather than or do you think it's more rather a matter of when rather than if?

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Oh yes, I mean the only reason why they didn't get rid of because the one man that was that would have been um ready, Clay Stammer saw it coming. And that was the guy from Manchester. Burnham. Yep, is it mean that's what that that's what it that's why they blocked him because he would have been the man to to to take over, is it mean? So right now that is what the Liverpool is struggling with because the other person who is now up would be Rayner. Yeah, is that mean?

SPEAKER_01 50:11

And of course who would you do you have a preference between Burnham and Rayner? Definitely Burnham. I just there's something like I don't know Angela Rayner personally, but some of the dealings, and when I heard about the house thing that I just went, you I don't know if we can trust it.

SPEAKER_02 50:24

She would not, she would not, she's not gonna live it down, you know what I mean. Um so so Burnham would have to be the best, and let's be honest about it, he has made a pretty good job of his mayorship in um in Manchester.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

No, he did very well, and also I and I respected Andy Burns for this. So my football team, we're co-owned by a guy called Jim Ratcliffe, and he came out with some pro-Farage type rhetoric that um because you know in the last I think it was the by-election, um, they did quite well, Farage's party, right? Yes, and Ratcliffe came out talking about some stuff, and that there was a swave of Manchester United supporters that they just oh dad, we jumped on him, like it was different. And Andy Burnham actually came out, and I respect it because Ratcliffe's big money, yes, right? And and obviously we understand how people lobby for finance and blah blah blah. And he came out and he spoke very, very in a balanced way, but it was also it it was it was powerful because you you know when a person speaks with clarity and authority, yes. See, there was no shouting and there was no threatening, but you're just like, Don't get on the wrong side of this guy, yeah, because as as palatable as he seems in public, you know he's got that kind of steeliness behind him as well. And yeah, I I I think I think you might be right. We I don't think England would do bad on the side.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

So that is why I felt that he was pushed kept out um for it. And the others that are there, um it's not a good a good time uh for them to come in. So they are controlled by the election. I think that once the election takes place then that's when they will make a move. Okay. You know what I mean? But it wouldn't be wise to do that. I mean, even the fool can see that it wouldn't be a good time to do it now, one day on the eve of an election. Yeah. So so I think most people are waiting for that election to pass and see how badly it's done. I mean, presently the report in terms of um you know all of the polls that's been taken is sort of ranking among the worst. Uh yes, I mean worse than the worst. You know, gone even below list trust.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

I mean, if you get below list trust, you you you're really you're in the mire.

SPEAKER_02 52:55

Absolutely. So I think that sort of give you an idea. So yeah, so he's very much in problem. I think for a lot of people it is disappointing because uh the way that he spoke, who he is, people thought that he's going to bring something new, clean, and you know, presentable, you know, you know, in principle. But unfortunately, um ambition is just too much.

SPEAKER_01 53:24

Last question on your favorite team that you never watch, Arsenal. Are they gonna win the league or are they not gonna win the league? Because it's getting real it's it's it's tight. Tight I mean I tight. It was tight a couple of weeks ago. Now it's foolish.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

I I I like I like um I mean Arsenal, of course. Wait, then you support Arsenal, so I'm asking you. I support them don't.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

Wait there to say because you have just done something where Arsenal fans all over the world are gonna be like, this is brilliant. For me it's a Mad United fan. I love it. I love it because you are a pit of mine in everything I think about that football team coming out. Tell me.

SPEAKER_02 54:07

No, you see, Arsenal they are brilliant, but they have you on the edge of the seat constantly. You know, I mean, you're a man of faith. Yes, but uh but but Anderson sometimes have you got faith in them and you ain't got faith in them. No, of course you got faith in them. I mean, it's it's a faith that's keeping them going, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 54:28

So you think of course so I mean against Pep Guardiola's machine, yeah, you think Arsenal, they're gonna win it or they're not gonna win it? I think they're going to win it. Why? There'd be three reasons why it's in Arsenal. We have consistently this year been at the top and they're playing exceptionally well. Dad, they're not playing exceptionally well. Dad, they're not playing exceptionally well. They are not playing exceptionally well. What do you mean? They're not playing exceptionally well. Why do you say that? What's their position right now? Second. Second. Well no, no, no, no. They went back top when they beat Newcastle 1-0 at home on Saturday. Right. Dad. Arsenal. How do I Arsenal are playing functionally well at the moment. The best that they played, right, and I mean I'd say probably in about a good month and a half, was the game they played against Manchester City, which was not last week, the week before. Right? That is the best that we have seen probably Arsenal play since I would say between that August to October period. Right. And Pep Guardiola dad, this guy, he can sniff it. And I worry that like, and it's almost like you know when you know when you see people running a marathon race, right? And someone's been out in front, and then they kind of feel someone coming. Yes. And you're really trying to pull for speed, and but you're just you're tightening up that and you've got this person who's fluid and with every stride.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

But um with uh with Arsenal though, I mean, are they not uh in four contention? Um you know, for say the Champion Leagues two four trophies went to two.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

Okay, yeah, from Provision. And you've got Atletico Madrid in the semi-final of the Champions League with either Paris Saint-Germain or Bayern Munich waiting in the final, yeah. With the league, you're now in a straight shootout with Manchester City. It's it's whoever scores the most wins. Right.

SPEAKER_02 56:47

Dad, I mean, I I personally so seeing that Manchester is out of it, yes, you know, what United? Yes, Manchester United is out of it. Who do you then, where's your faith um going? Because can I be honest? This thing is, you know, faith playing a major part.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

Firstly, because I am Man United, it's my job to really wish for the demise of both you and Man City. That's it. That's what I'm doing. Let me tell you what I'm saying. I'm the one that's lacing the victory cakes with Arsenic floating dead. So um, but as a neutral, and I was having this conversation with Fraser actually, because he tried to he tried to because I Forrest, his son, Forrest loves Arsenal dad. So anytime, no, when Man United beat them, I was on the phone sending all the signs and baggage to both of them, and then Fraser, right, he goes to me, he goes, Oh yeah, uh uh the rivalry's not the same like when we were kids, mate. Like Man United aren't really in it anymore. And I was just like, really, Fraser, really Fraser so Sacrilege, right? So that restoked my dislike for Arson again. Now, obviously, as a Manchester United fan, City are our rivals, but Liverpool are our bigger rivals. Okay, here's the honest truth. Manchester City, for this reason, I like Pep Guardiola more than I like Mikel Arteta. Yeah, and for this simple reason, um I wrote a letter to Pep Guardiola at the beginning of the well, around Christmas, just before Christmas, there was some stuff that was going on, and I went, and he responded to me. I think I better read to Liverpool.

SPEAKER_02 58:36

So he needs some some some support. So that's support up there.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

So because because because you're the reason why why they're doing so well. And do you know what? Can I be honest with you? It was the weekend they beat Liverpool. Yeah, and I said to him, I went, I think Mikhail would have been watching the game at the weekend, and I think he might be a little bit more than a good one. Why can't you plan your own Manchester business?

SPEAKER_00 58:59

That's the main point. He's in our city. It's my it's my it's it's it's my duty care that's not good.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

That's not good. But like Manchester.

SPEAKER_01 59:09

I do think you know, I do I a city only because I like Pep Guardiola more than Arteta, but if I'm honest, I wouldn't mind if Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

And I think I have to I think I have to bring some some spiritual blessing to us to us when you're gonna pray for them. Yeah, yeah, I think I have to do something. We can't have you you breaking rank gun over the enemy's camera.

SPEAKER_01 59:32

No, it's an email. No, but let me tell you why I sent the letter, because it was his uh he'd done a thousand games, and also um I'd read something, um and obviously I work very closely with you, and I see how much you inspire people. And a lot of the time, leaders sometimes are the least remembered. True. And so I think sometimes we forget that our leaders are human. And it's also the reason why I I don't I don't jump in with the memes and stuff about Mikel Arteta either, because I think when people remember Arsenal were on the floor when he took over daddy, of course, right? And now it's almost like he builds this amazing building, they're like, oh, there's a scratch in the corner. I said, mate, this was rubble! And you want to talk about a little bit of scratching on the article. So I sometimes think, and also I I work for a person, dad, who who's been at the top of the he's been on the pinnacle for for years, and and I get sheltered from so much because his shoulders is broad enough, and I get to come in and just jump up and down and love it, and then I get to leave, right? And so I think yeah, the reason why I I kind of I step back a little bit is because I think that it's important for us to remember our our our leaders are humans too. Of course. Um and they just you know they're just trying to get it right like everybody else.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

No, I I think I think he is good, he inspired because you know it's not easy to take something that a lot of people are giving up on, yeah, and to stimulate to really um encourage and bring it to become this kind of uh fighting machine. You know, and that's really really good. I think the they only lack a bit of divine help.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

And you're gonna help with that. Of course. But you know that I'm going to be like, Lord. No, no, no, no. You must mind your own Manchester business. You know what? If we as long as as long as we get Champions League tonight, then I will I will actually stay out of it. I won't get involved. And you can aid Arsenal in whatever way you feel to aid them. But I promise you, I think Guardia daddy's got his he's got his number. Guardiola's coming, Daddy. And if he wins that treble, he'll leave. That's why. And hey, yeah, too live. I think he'll leave. That's really why I sent the letter. I kind of I thought a thousand games and da da da. Dad, I've been around enough leaders and I watch you very closely. You get a sense when a person's coming to the end of their cycle. Of course. And I think when you're and I've watched Guadiola's career, and he's been very decisive when he's left, and he's always left at the height of what he's built. That's right. And I looked at it and I went, he's he's done.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:16

I just get the feeling that he needs new challenges.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

You know, you know what I mean, in you know, sort of I think he needs pain. And I think because of how much it's like you, right? You put so much into your work that sometimes people miss. The fatigue it can sometimes bring you. Yeah. Right? And for you, you'll sometimes be in a position where you'll be like, just give me four weeks, just just let me just re-eccalibrate and let me sleep for a little bit and da-da-da, and then you're ready to go. Yeah. And I just feel for him that like he's been dad, this will be 10 years, right? Yeah. Relenting at the top, expectation. Because I was saying this actually to someone else, that pressure was born from expectation, and expectation from the inception of hope. And when you're churning that out, dad, and you every year you've got to convince 23 people to come with you, right? And it it's all on you, and and there's stuff going on in your personal world, I just think that I just think he needs peace. And I think peace for him might be just time away from it all, and I think he might come back because he loves it. Yep. But there's a time for peace. And I think that might be.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

I agree with you. Yes. I absolutely agree with you. That's true. Dad, I love this, and I love you. Love you, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

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