Knife Crime

In this powerful and deeply personal episode of the Yo Pops Podcast, Pops and Shean discuss the heartbreaking reality of knife crime and the devastating impact it continues to have on families, friends, and communities.

The conversation is prompted by the recent passing of Talay Riley, a loss that has touched many and sparked important discussions about violence, youth, and the value of life. The episode also becomes especially personal as Shean and Pops reflect on the tragic loss of their own family member, whose life was taken as a result of knife crime.

Together, Pops and Shean share their thoughts, emotions, and experiences surrounding grief, loss, and the long-lasting effects that violent crime leaves behind. They explore the importance of community, mentorship, accountability, and finding ways to break the cycle of violence that continues to affect so many lives.

This episode is not only a tribute to those who have been lost but also a call for greater awareness, compassion, and action.
Our thoughts and prayers are with all the families and loved ones who have been affected by knife crime.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:22

Hello everybody and welcome to Yokeophil Podcast with me, Sean Williams and King of Vadoa. My dad, my dad, the star and the centrepiece of our little production here. You really like that hat, don't you? Of course. You love it. This is like a third week running you're rocking that hat. We've got to get it in a different colour. That's a good point, though, Julie. I'm not gonna personally do it, but you should give it a different colour. Listen that branding doesn't come under my umbrella.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

That's your brand partnership deals you did. That was swear over there. Yes, yes. How are you, lad? I am good, I'm good. For real, for real?

SPEAKER_02 1:00

For real. Because I know you've been dealing with a lot, and like yeah, there's been a lot, but um I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Handling it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Do you know what? I think there's a whole bunch of people that are from your season that they're like, I know what that means. From my season. Your season. Do you remember? And you did this last week with vintage. Do you remember? Do you remember? And then I had to admonish you.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

That means he's trying to tell me of that's what he's using the more acceptable words.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Admonish. Admonishing. No, do you know why I had to admonish? Because you just you jumped down and you thought I was trying to say something I wasn't trying to say. I was didn't move from my seat. I mean it in a conceptual way, not that you got off your seat and jumped down. You're being silly. How are you? Nobody's calling me silly.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Ay, yay, yay!

SPEAKER_01 1:56

I think I stopped. Somebody had to say something to him. Listen, say something to him. Father. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

How art thou? I am good. I'm good. Everything's good? Everything great. Good. Um, good start to the week because Monday's usually kind of your easier days. You're not.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Yes, it is after a busy weekend.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Was it busy? Was it?

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Yeah, it was very busy.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

Up and about. You enjoyed um being with the fellowship at Lighthouse on Saturday?

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Um they were great actually.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

You did say it was an amazing time.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Yeah, they were very, very um accommodating.

SPEAKER_02 2:27

We'll go with your word. That's right. I'll stop trying to put words in your mouth. Yes, please. That's very very helpful. Ha! Um no, I'm glad because I know you had fun.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

So that was it was great seeing some of the um some of your friends in ministry. Friends in ministry people that you know colleague network for a long time. Wow. So I think they were quite amazed. What that you're looking as well as you're looking. Of course.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Doing all the things.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

But then I mean they're seeming more sweet on the podcast, they were telling me.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

Oh, they enjoy it. Yes, they they love it. That's good. Yes, that's good. We're coming, we're coming slowly but surely with taking our track. Absolutely. I'm very excited because it's the World Cup. Okay. I'm not excited because I have to fly out on the day that the World Cup starts, and you know me that I like football. So I'd really want to be sat down with my little World Cup camp around me, Wallace on FaceTime if I need him straight away to talk about what's going on. And here I am having to travel again.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Well they may facilitate you on the plane with ongoing.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

But I've already got my in my in-plane entertainment set up on my iPad. I don't want to be distracted by that. And I want to watch I want to watch it in a you know certain kind of environment.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

And a setup that you can scream and go on mad if I want to badly.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Yeah, well not badly, but you know, expressively. I can't be screaming on the plane and grabbing people and ah, you know? I've known people to do that, and then they they meet the police at the end of the flight, right? They're getting escorted off. No, so you can stay there. We're gonna have someone escort you off. Yes, no, I don't want that, Dad. I don't want that for me. I don't want that for me. So uh have you who's who's your and this is just for you know, dad. People want to know what you think about things and that's happening in the world. Well, who's your pick to win the World Cup?

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Brazil.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Why? And don't just say Brazil because you think of Brazil in the days of Brazil Brazil. Why, Dad? You can't just say Brazil because you think it because I can give you some great stats as to why it could possibly not be Brazil.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Yeah, I I just love the way they play football with the freedom, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

The freedom, the flair, yeah, there, yeah, and the skills, they're just brilliant. Manchester United have got a couple players in the Brazil squad. Oh flair players, Mateus Cunha. We call him the Samba Surfer. Wow, it's brilliant though.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Yeah, so they just they make football entertaining. They do? What do you think about France? France that they've got a great squad.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Great squad, yeah, yeah. Frightening the front three that they have.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

They're powerful. Gotta give it to them.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

And very quickly, because obviously we we have to move in and do stuff. Chances for England. Woo! The new the new manager thing.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

What's your take on Tuco? I think he's gonna be good. I get that kind of feeling um that he he looks relaxed.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Do you know what Tuchel the vibes he gives me? You know when you see a person who's got the I know something you don't know. Exactly. And and I'm hoping he really knows something that we don't know because he's made a couple of choices, Dad, where people have gone, you know, Scooby-Doo. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Yeah, and um but they have he does he does look like he got a few tricks of his sleeve.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

I do, I don't know if they're dark art tricks though, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Not dad, whatever it is, he looks quite relaxed, Rich. I'm very pleased because given history and true reaction, true, he should be really be sort of panicking, you know. But but he looked absolutely do you know what?

SPEAKER_02 6:19

I saw something, dad, on um a BBC programme that was documenting basically it was a redramatisation of the era of Gareth Southgate. Yes, a bit of it, and I'm not sure if the last scene was accurate, but Gareth Southgate's basically coming in, he's I mean, he's leaving, and Thomas Tuchel knocks on the door to be like in my office, but in a nice way, and Thomas Tuchel basically lists every barrier that Gareth Southgate's broken in in his tenure as England manager. So going, You're the first manager to win a penalty shootout, you're the first manager to get England to finals, you're the first, and at the moment, at the time of kind of where the production was, Garf Southgate was kind of going, it's almost like he was looking, going, Have I failed here? Yeah, yeah. And as Tuchel's reeling off these things, it's really funny. He reels off all of these amazing accolades, and when you sit back and you go, Wow, he Gareth Savkate did really well, but as he's reeling them off, he gets to the end and he says to Gareth, he goes, Obviously, you know, I'll not mention one of these to the press when I go out there. And it gave me the idea that he was he looked at the project and he went, They're ready to win. Yes, the guy's taking them, and he's and as and I look at Tuchel and I think this is a guy that really uses his brain, like he's a master tactician, and I almost feel like he's like they only need one and two tweaks, yes, and they're ready to win a massive tournament. And I just think he looked at it and went, Oh, I know what to do here, and I can get them over the line, and that's so when you say he's got the I know something you don't know, look, I kind of get that.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

But he seemed very conscious of where things are at, and you know, very look very confident, which I like about that.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

The only thing I'm not a massive fan of, but I will look to see how it develops. I'm not completely sure I like the way he's he's dealing with Jude Bellingham. Um I think Jude Bellingham has one of those generational characters. There are some people, Dad, that refuse to either lose or not give it all, and he demands the best from everyone and everything around him. Yeah, some people don't that they don't lean into that, um, and I feel like there's a couple of choices also within the right back situation. There's a guy called Trent Alexander Arnold who dad he is basically a central midfielder playing as a right back. The the boy's brilliant dad. And and I've obviously I've grown up on David Beckham and Paul Scholes that precision passes, precision passes, and I look at some of the things Trent Alexander Arnold does from right back, and I look and I go, he shouldn't be able to do that, and he's left him out, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

But then you see, I I find that with most of them, yeah, they do always do something slightly controversial, yeah. You know what I mean? And it seems to get everybody's attention, but everybody's kind of and then later on, there's other things, okay. Come in, you know.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

I know, but I just feel like especially with the the squad selection, he's left no room to kind of go back on himself, so it's almost just like you may live and die by this decision, and it may have been a decision you didn't need to make or something you didn't need to do. And I also think that there is something linked between Alexander Arnold and Jude Bellingham are very close, and big personalities like that in an environment like the dressing room, depending on what the kind of pH balance you want, dad. And I think that might have a little something to do with it, but I'm not completely sure that the England manager feel or that Tuchel feels like he can come out and say that. Yeah, um, but yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

It is, and that's a good talk, Dad.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

I've well done. Why are you looking at that? Why are you looking at that for? As if we're in that um, well, either you don't know nothing about anything. Well I getting so shocking. Do you know what? I don't have so to today's podcast. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

It's actually um I need to pull on your years of experience. Okay. Um, you know my friend Silky. I got a message from him um two, three days ago to say that um someone that I knew within the musical network, it wasn't a close friend of mine. I actually knew him and the team he was working with, really talented. They were actually in the studio in Kilburn before Leon took it over. Okay. And so when we started to kind of um develop that relationship um through Miss B with Alistair and stuff, his his nephew was doing some really cool things with another guy called Farper Geeley, who was a fantastic um producer, and they started to have number ones quite early, Dad. And so we were all kind of in and around the same place. And obviously Leon was thinking about he was doing more there and was going to take the studio over, but this particular guy, Dad, um a young guy called well actually at the time he was young, we are young, I guess. A guy called Tillay Riley, um he tragically lost his life. Um and it it would appear just from the very surface level of um looking into the situation I was able to do that he he lost his life in um a confrontation um and it hit very close to home because obviously our family, we lost someone to knife crime. Right. Um and the first thing I did was I this is a person who wrote a number like wrote a number one hit, won a Grammy Award, was Grammy nominated, like was there, right? Um and like I said, with the surface level understanding of the situation, my first thought was how do you find yourself in that position? Right, and and especially being kind of in your mid-30s, you'd like to think that some of the associated ideas of what's happening with life crime is to uh an age group that's that's younger than you, right? But it you you you see it creeping into what you'd call like you know, adult life. Um and the first thing I wanted to ask that also with like because I I want to explore a little bit, but I'm not I don't want to explore it in terms of the story, like I'm not into stories, but it's more so I think there's something deeper there in terms of it's a life lost, the circumstance to which can lead a person into a certain place that you know they they find themselves in in moments that become life-threatening. Yeah. So the first thing I'd want to ask that to a family that's probably first you're trying to come to terms with the news and what's happened, how do you process that?

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Yeah, you never really come to terms with what happened. Um the thing that you have to do is to find what I call the practical things that you can focus on about a person, you know, what their life has been, the the the the benefits that they offer, the support they have given. The legacy of the yes, you know, basically all that good stuff that you have to sort of see and recognize that key word, good that the good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

Yes, it's easy to do.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Yes, very much. And it is, you know, you got to to really understand that people are going to make mistakes while they are going through it is not a mistake, it's a life, it's life. Yeah. But then it's proven to be a mistake. And it is often time where I think a lot of people get it wrong in as in thinking that you knowingly go into a situation that ends tragically as it does, more than likely he would have thought that those people around him would never do something like that to him, especially given the relationship that they have. But there are so many factors to consider in that day, in that moment, what were they doing? Not not per se the individual, but the one who perpetrated the act. What were they doing? What were they engaged in? For example, in in a lot of cases, they might have been on drugs and therefore almost not being responsible for their action, so to speak, but yet guilty of um committing committing a very serious crime.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

And so it's all of those having to you have to to put in perspective to come up with the notion that it's not something that you you're gonna change, because it can happen to anyone at any time. You know, you're going about your business, you know, and I I remember once actually, I was going to visit a friend of mine, and I saw this young man coming towards me. And I could just feel in my spirit, this guy is dangerous. You know what I mean? Move out of his way. And as he passed by, the way he looked at me, it was really vicious. As if to say, just just say something, and I would do something to you. You know. And it is sometimes that lack of discernment in people and situation that causes one not to escape some of the potential challenges and risks that they would come up against. So in terms of family and people that are close to him, it is understanding what I call the two-life situation. Um, and this side of life, he has lived his life to the best he can. Yeah, now he's taken, not intentional, uh, but anyhow he's been taken. And therefore, one now has to think about the next the other side of life and how his life on this side impact what happens to him on the other side.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Um without being that was the word I'm looking for. Without being, I think it's indelicate is the word. I think the word is indelicate. Um I know that there was because of the huge success that um he received, I know he went over to LA and spent like some time working with Dad. Any and everybody that you know to be of note that he's worked with and written with before. Um and I'm aware that there was I think he took some time out because it had become um psychologically overwhelming to me. Yes. Um which I always think is the first clue, especially in our industry. Yes, when a person needs a break, it's like a computer, dad. That computer will shut down if it if it doesn't keep it'll warn you and it will warn you and it will warn you, yes, and then it will get to the place where it's just like and I wonder, Dad, if we as people, and also um, I want you to objectively look at the music industry. Is there a certain level of complicity because it's about you don't we don't care about the orange, we just want to know how much juice can we get out of it. That's right, yeah, right? And then after you've got the juice and whoever's been served has been refreshly sat like you've been satisfied and refreshed, okay, there's still an orange.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

And and and sometimes I wonder if there is a certain element or feeling that once you stop being useful or you're not as efficiently useful as you were, is do you think there's a certain level of of discarding or it definitely happens?

SPEAKER_01 19:59

And it is one of the the vicious side of the you know, that's really one of the vicious side is that's true. In that they they look at it, and of course, you're you're picking up people at the best of time are extremely vulnerable, yeah. You know, and they become um you know dazzled by all of the glitz and glamour of what they are made to believe and got in indulged in. Yeah. And until they forget themselves. Others are controlling you. And they are controlling you not because of your good looks or whether anything else, it's the fact that you are making them, as you put it, the juice. You're giving them good quality juice. They know that it's gonna come a time when there will be no more worthwhile squeezing for. You see what I mean? So for them it's urgent. It's while they're squeezing you dry, they're looking for the next one, uh few that they can squeeze, start squeezing. Yeah. And and that is where it is. Now, for most people who are giving their juice, they've never stopped to think, I've got something for this juice. When I'm not able to give any more juice, what am I going to do? What is my life going to be? And making preparation for the as it were for their next life. And the next transition in terms of what you're going to do. You see, and that is where I think they get to a point where they're facing a brick wall. Yeah. And can't do nothing about it because they've been so absorbed by. What has gone on, other people take over their life, determine what you wear, what you eat, what you drink, where you stay, the lot. And then suddenly one day you wake up and they tell you, you're on your own now. You don't have any more time, so to speak. Yeah. You you're gonna get something because you got things like royal like royalties and others upcoming. But as regard to the glitz and glamour, um, no. And I've seen this with, you know, and I heard about it, I heard about it, that Serena Williams, I think, the the the great tennis player. Yeah, I think she had retired. Yes, she had. And now she's making a little comeback. Exactly. You think, hang on here, why would you want to do that? See, you've you've got perhaps all the money that you can ever spend. But there's something that people don't account for, and that is that, you know, that glamour, that excitement, you know, walking out on that court and that um the tennis court, and hear thousands of people calling your name or applauding for you. It becomes like like drugs. And after a while, you know, you don't have that. You gradually sort of feel like you're disappearing in the background. You want it back. You know, you're not gonna be anywhere as great as you were, then, but even a bit of it. And that is where I think a lot of people find themselves craving after things that they're either not having the ability to have, or you know, lost it and and then of course they find themselves now in the in the in the den of the wolves, and it is during times like these, you have all kind of unscrupulous people.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Yeah. I was gonna say something to you, Dad, um, because that was a really interesting point you made about Serena Williams, and I I kind of wanna pose like uh a parallel um idea. Do you also think there could be an element of now? I watched the story King Richard of like their dad and how he trained them and got them to the top, right? Um to to be trained that young, right, and to have that much expectation and get there and then to dominate in the way you do, dad, right? Yes, everything naturally comes to an end, but especially for her, you go, you you you you have businesses, you have investments, you have this personality alongside this this amazing career, you become a you become a mother. Um do you think there's a certain element of she would almost feel not like a fish out of water, but that that that tennis is all she knows. That's it. Do you understand what I'm saying? And and also you you you would miss the adrenaline, the adrenaline of that level of dad, it's margins, right? Between feeling utter despair and feeling like you're on top of the world. Indeed. And I look at Serena Williams coming back, I think she's 44, and in her head, she's as good as she is if she's ever been, Dad, right? Secondly, she's also sitting there going, imagine when the world looks at me as a 44-year-old mum that left the game, came back against the whole generation that should be. So for her, it's nothing more than what she thinks is possible. Yes, it's the same reason why dad Michael Jackson would announce at 60 odd, I'm gonna do X amount of dates, back to back. This is gonna be the biggest show you've ever seen because you sit down, you look at a guy, and you go, from the age of five, all he's known, and he has toppled every record there is, yeah, and he's meant to kind of be maybe you know, chilling out as this older statesman, but the reality is that he that's all he knows, yeah. So to not be on stage is crazy. It's like I know this this 68-year-old person, right? And most people in his world slow him right down, yeah, jumps on planes, drives here, drives there, family can't pin him down, has like four phones, never answers any of them.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

When do I get this horrible, horrible feeling that you're talking about me, huh? Hey, well if the shoes and fits as they say that when if the cat if the if the if the cat wears fits, you know the cat wears fits. I mean, goodness me. I mean most people most people talk about it being your back.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

No, I'll do it to your face, though. You know me, I'll do it to your face. I'll do it right to your face. Keep it. No, no, but I mean it on the basis of since you gave your life to Christ at 17 you you knew what you wanted to do, and you've spent your life doing what you want to do, right? And so we we have sometimes little moments of tug of war where I'm trying to lean you into spaces that I think will slow down the pace and also lean you with with the same skill set and talent and gifts into into new areas, but I also just off of listening to what you're saying, you know what you know, yeah, and the the dedication and commitment to it to ask you to do any less than what you've always done. When I switch and I sit in your side of the space, it's to you I can imagine it almost feeling like a dereliction of your duty because you're like, This is what I've been given, that's right, right? But yet at the same time, Dad, we see the other side of it where it can lean a person into darker spaces in in their mind emotionally, um consistently going and trying to chase that thing that you've already caught. I always find that funny, right? That you get a number one, and then until you get the next one, it's almost like the next one validates the first one, and then you need the third one to validate the second. And in fact, we have to do a podcast on this because I've just got it at home sitting like next to my my bedside. Dad, when I got my number one for that record, a lot of things that I felt in myself really disappeared really quickly, really quickly, and to a certain element, I got it by accident, right? I've always taught, like in terms of I teach at performance arts college, which I feel like has always been the counterbalance to some of the the the superficial extravagance.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna say something about that. I was gonna say, you know, a lot of people struggle with transition. Yeah. And this is where I think in in many cases you have somehow mastered because you don't just lean into what you're very good at. That's one of the nicest things you've ever said to me.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Apart from the song you wrote me that I still need to listen to. Exactly. I would just have about to say, but you wait till everyone sitting there and they go, you wait till the comments go crazy with this of like your dad wrote you a song. I might premiere it for everybody. I might premiere it and we'll get I think you I think that'll be quite dad. I'm not premiering the song because it's a private thing, but whatever you wanted to say, whatever you wanted keeps.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

It's not private, it's it's it's just truthful and anyone with any kind of observation would know that what I said is the truth. And you're afraid to listen to it because you know it's the truth.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Can I actually tell you why I haven't listened to it? Uh I've actually been that busy by accident. This is first of all, dad, don't do that. Because I can call you for days right on three different numbers and not get you. So don't talk to me about sitting there and and huff at me. Sorry, answer the question. That was the question we were asking.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Um the transitioning.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Yeah. I think I think you you you're doing a great job in transitioning. Thanks, Pop. And which I think is really will serve you well. Yeah. And that is where I think a lot of people in the Serena, in um like the guy you just mentioned. I think sportly entertainment series. Because nobody tells them that look, you're going to need to transition. And you, you know, I mean, so that exit route for them doesn't exist. Yeah. They're either up there, then they're sort of down straight on the ground.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

And with that, that it's all, it's like it's boom and bust. There's never any middle ground, there's never any consistency, there's never any just steady.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Yeah. And then what is even worse, while they have the money, yeah, they're buying tooth into um activities and companies and products that they really have no idea about. Somebody running it for them, somebody getting their journal in rush when they do well or then don't. But the thing that they are good at, you know, and let's take someone like Yussain. I mean, how much has how much does he know about running? I mean, you thought he would have gone into having his own Usain Bolt Academy. Because that is his life, that is his passion. And you think, no. You see him sitting up in places, thinking, you should be having your own team down there running, you know what I mean, and getting that excitement we call their winners. That is where I think a lot of people uh make you um do it wrong. Same thing with with you know, same thing with some of these great, great guys. They don't follow what they know. They get engaged, yes, they are rich, yes, they are our businessmen and women and great, but what benefit do they get from it? Because that's not their niche.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

So let me ask you a question. Is it possible for your gift to be dissimilar from your passion?

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Oh you see, again, I think a lot of people think about it, focus on their gifts because your passion may not bring you wealth, health, and other stuff.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

But the reason why I say that is because you mentioned Usain Bolt, and I sat and I went, of course, that makes no sense. If Usain Bolt even announces on your social media, right, open academy, come here, come here, come here, bring $500 or whatever, dad. It's a whole new, but then that makes me sit there and go. Running was Usain Bolt's gift. Coaching was Glenn Mill Glenn coach Glenn Mills' passion. So you marry the passion, right? Dad, the the brain, the person that goes, I understand how your body works, I understand what you need to do, I understand how to get it out of you. And Usain Bolt almost has to commit himself to this man who hopefully he's going to learn along the way because he's going to explain to him what he needs. Because that's what a coach is, right? Dad, a coach, excuse me, nearly just choked myself. A coach is a person that shows you, that develops you, and it shows you how to get the maximum out of yourself. And so that's why I'm like, maybe your your your gift is is different from yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

You see, in in say someone like you being um you're saying um case, you have somebody like his coach, for example, running the practical side of training, right? But when it comes to that bigger, glorious side, that's where he would be and should be seen. And he would be getting almost the same acclade and uh accolade and you know, adrenaline rush, really, as when he was running. Because you never see the coach, you know, even when he was winning. Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

Sometimes very briefly, very briefly, please.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

But like him, he's an icon.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Yeah, you know, you know what I mean. Oh, I'm talking about him and there you go. You say running in.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

So I think for a lot of people, is knowing how to transition into things that are still part of that passion, you know, but you are now giving out to the next generation, yeah, to the next person while at the same time being happy and blessed that you can still enjoy what you love doing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Um Dad, how do those closest to him, namely his family, parents and um extended family members? And also, I know there's a lot of people within the music industry, especially his close friends, like those that he came up with. Like I mentioned to you uh about Parker Age and Misty and Luigi and these other people that that knew him, and also his circle would have grown to other people. How did the it's always the hardest for those left behind, Dad? And I think when my uncle passed, um that's probably been th the most difficult thing to watch, the effect it's had on his sisters, his children, um those that cared and loved him and miss him because obviously he had colleagues and people that you know he worked with, and it'll be the same obviously for Talay and his family, Dad. Like, how do they pick up the pieces and find peace?

SPEAKER_01 36:40

I think I think what we did with um your uncle I think made the difference. We took what he was good at, right? What he loved, yeah, music, yeah, and we saturate this bad situation with this joyous exposure of what was his the best part of him, the best part of him, yeah, and that absolutely put everyone in such a better place, and his massive achievements, Dad.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

So to see like some of the icons of the music industry sit there and and take him in to stop and take off their hat to my uncle and be like this guy. Indeed, indeed.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

And uh, yeah, Dad, what you say is amazing, yeah, and and the fact that nobody wanted to see the body because you're seeing the live the person performing live in front of you. This music is coming across, and for me, it is one of the most memorable.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

It's almost like, and I I don't mean it's it, you know, I like that I get to say this to you. It's almost like the body became inconsequential because the light was too bright. There you go. Does that make sense? There you go. And somebody like that guy now. It's inconsequential because the time is gone. Yes, that can't come back.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

But the light will always remain the light in their heart, they can see you know, they're walking away, not with a depressed situation, but you know that you know what in his short life he has achieved so much, dad. So much and left so much life.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

Indeed, yeah, yeah, Dad. I love you. Love you too. Um, thank you everybody that's taking the time to watch this. Please like, subscribe, share, also get in the comments and interact with us.

SPEAKER_01 38:39

And that's for the songs, whatever you do.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

Yeah, the song that I wrote for him, ask him to play it. You notice I don't interrupt him in that kind of deplorable way. So, for those of you that are friends with my father, talk to your friends. Guys, take care of yourself. See you next week.