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• James Reeves, Michel Kabia, and Jabez Reeves • Season 2 • Episode 2

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"How do I know I'm saved?" In this episode, we discuss questions that many people wrestle with. 

How do we become saved? Is salvation once and for all? We bring clarity to these question while also sharing stories that many can relate to.  

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SPEAKER_07

Many people's pastors are TikTok. Many people's preachers are YouTube. I understand that. And I don't negate the power that is within those things. But listen, don't look at us who are holding these mics and saying that, yeah, these these are my pa I'm not your pastor. I'm not your man of God. And I'm not your inspiration.

SPEAKER_02

Well, you're listening to 17 different pastors. 17 different pastors. Pastors. And then you're trying to say, well, he said that in order for me to be saved, I must reach this dimension. He says that I am saved according to faith. He says that in order for me to be saved, I must stop wearing earrings. I'm telling you. You're going to be confused about your walk.

SPEAKER_01

When you're becoming saved, I think that one of the key instances that you should be gauging is what do you do when you fall short? Ask yourself the next time, the next time that you remember something that you're doing that is wrong, ask yourself after that, do you just abandon God and say, Well, okay, well, I fell sure I'm out. Or do you say, Okay, I fell short, but this has shown what the heart of man actually has.

SPEAKER_07

It's not the fact that you're not sinning, it's the fact that you've accepted things within you. You've accepted doctrines within you, you've accepted lies, you've accepted communities that have nothing to do with Christ within you. And then you now come back and say, Why am I inconsistent? Why don't I know whether I'm saved or not? Because you're accepting things that have nothing to do with knowing the truth.

SPEAKER_08

There's gonna be times where you struggle, there's gonna be times where you your knowledge, your the revelation of Christ that you have received is now very abundant, but you've got to be careful of the zeal that you receive at the beginning of your walk. It's like what James was saying. When he first when he first came to Christ, you know, he was very zealous. And then it starts to slow down. That doesn't mean, but I think people have to be careful because we idolize what we received when we first receive Christ.

SPEAKER_07

What's up, guys? Welcome back to the 1014 Podcast. My name is James Reeves. Welcome to episode two of season two. This episode we're talking more about salvation, about the gospel of Christ, and just understanding who Jesus Christ is more, because to us, that's the most pivotal part of our walk. Knowing Jesus, building a relationship with him, and having that foundation for the rest of our Christian experience. On my left, got my boy Zevin, got my brother Jabez, got my boy MJ, and we're just gonna go straight into it. The last episode was a little while ago because we faced some unforeseen challenges and events. But by the grace of God, we are here now. If you knew what we went through just to get this episode out to you guys, if we get this episode out to you guys, you would say, Man, these guys are dedicated. But by the grace of God, there's nothing more important than you know the gospel of Jesus Christ. You know, if you see anyone on this episode looking a little down and downcasted, just know. Just know this is our third try. We were shipwrecked three times. Literally. We went through perils. Anyway, so right into it. The question, the second question from the first episode was, how do I become saved? Now, the question of how do I become saved is a very interesting question. The reason why I believe it's a very interesting question is because it's a question that, like I said, I struggled with for very long in my walk with Christ. Very long in my walk with Christ, and I haven't been walking with Christ that long. You know how many people be like, I've been walking with Christ from the age of 10 and 9. I wasn't one of those. Unfortunately, I'm not that spiritual. But from the time that I started taking Christ more seriously, which happened to be around um 2020, most people started taking Christ more seriously in 2020. Shout out to COVID, not shout out to COVID, but it was just a time that a lot of people got more serious with the walk of Christ. I was faced with a reality in myself that I didn't know who I was. My first year in Christ, people like to say that, oh, my first year in Christ, it was so amazing, and then everything went downhill after that. No, that first year in Christ was actually not as good as you think it was. Because that first year in Christ is what creates that downhill slope. So, what I mean by that is based on how I was receiving the gospel and what I thought about Jesus Christ, it was determining whether I believed I was actually saved or not. For example, I used to listen to a lot of street preachers when I first started getting saved, and I was so fascinated by them telling people repent, return away from sin, stop living the life you used to live. And I'm like, dang, I actually do need to turn away from sin. But what I realized is that as I started believing those things, as I started taking those things into account, what ended up happening is my mind started to base true salvation based on whether I'm doing sin, whether I'm doing wrong, whether I'm doing right. And the type of sins that was just was determining whether I was saved was an issue as well. And I think that's the first area that I want to get to on this um episode. The type of sin determining whether you're saved or not. Because there are many sins that are causing that are actually sins. Right. But for us, things like lying, not really a big sin. Unforgiveness. Unforgiveness, not really a big sin. Hatred, not really a big sin. Bitterness, not really a big sin. Alcoholism, it's a sin. Lust, lust, it's a sin. Adultery, right? Adultery. Those are the two biggest sins. If you're doing those things, you're not serious. But that's so interesting. Because there are so many sins. Now, I'm not saying that the impact of them, you don't feel them, but what I'm saying is that every other thing could be neglected. If I mastered a certain area in my walk, I feel like, oh, I'm good. Why? So then that was determining whether I was saved or not. Every time I would fall into sins, I'd be like, dang, bro, I'm not saved, bro. If I was saved, I wouldn't be struggling with this still. And you hear that so often. Meanwhile, there are other areas of my life that I realize that I struggle with. I struggled with bitterness, unforgiveness, resentment. I struggled with anger. But those things didn't matter to me as long as I felt like I conquered one area. So let's talk about the area of determining what sins decide whether you're saved or not.

SPEAKER_02

I have a scripture that I want to quote in James chapter 2, verse 10. And I'm paraphrasing here because I don't have it right here on me, but it says.

SPEAKER_08

No, I'll read it for you real quick.

SPEAKER_02

Go ahead, go ahead. Read the scripture. Um, you said James chapter 2, verse 10. James chapter 2, verse 10. What does it say?

SPEAKER_08

It says, For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

SPEAKER_02

He is guilty of all. So though I don't rape, though I don't kill, though I don't steal, the standard of God's righteousness is perfection. Right. And all of us have fallen short of the glory of God, per the scriptures. So if that's the case, we need someone to stand in the gap for us. That person is Jesus Christ. So some people will say, Well, bro, I stopped smoking a long time ago, bro. I stopped towing iron a long time ago, I stopped towing guns a long time ago, I stopped doing this a long time ago, but you need to catch up. But according to the standard of God, if you are still even falling short in some sins and are relying on your actions or your righteousness or the things that you do outwardly to determine your position for righteousness in Christ, you have missed the gospel. Because we have been given righteousness by Christ finishing the work on the cross and then dying and raising again.

SPEAKER_08

Oh, go ahead, buddy.

SPEAKER_01

You go I'll even add that the consensus that we're coming to here is that everyone needs salvation. And that salvation is not purely just attributed to behavior or sin itself, but it's also that Jesus came from the condemnation to save us from it. So the fact that you're saved now is not because of your good behavior or trying to justify yourself. The Bible is not talking about reconciling God by doing good behaviors to get back closer to Him, it's about you understanding Christ, yes, becoming one with Him and fellowshipping with Him continually for the rest of your life. And that communion offsets you to continue on in a path that keeps you focused on these types of things, you know?

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I think for me, like how Jabez is saying, what I was being taught, what I was learning, it was messing me up.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

It was messing me up to the point where I literally was like, remember how we used to talk about those highs and lows. Those highs and lows in our walks, which was creating for us, it was creating for me a lifestyle where it was just full of confusion in my walk with Christ. Full of confusion. I didn't know where I was, I didn't know what I was doing. I'm like, bro, I don't know if I'm gonna ever be a Christian for real. I don't know if I'm ever gonna be saved. Because salvation for me was based on that moral standard, that moral code. And that's one area that we as believers have to get past. If you start doing good today, you start doing better in your life today, and you feel happier because you're doing better, it's good. But are you now judging your salvation based on that? If that's the case, then that's not good.

SPEAKER_02

That's not good.

SPEAKER_07

If your salvation is based on how much you're doing better, Zevin can stop doing a lot of things. But Zevin still doesn't love his neighbor. The Bible says in 1 Corinthians chapter 13, and to this day that scripture still shocks me. That I he says, though I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, and I can do all these things. He said, But I have not love, I'm like a uh clinging gong or a cracking clinging symbol. Yeah. Yeah. So the Bible says you could do all these things, but you don't have the love of God in you. So that means you can get rid of all these sins, but that doesn't mean that you're saved. So what I'm saying is that judging whether you're saved or not based on whether or not you stop doing certain sins is going to mess you up. And that was what was messing me up for a long time in my walk with Christ.

SPEAKER_02

Ephesians chapter 2, verse 8 through 9 says that for we have been saved by grace through faith, and this is not of good works, lest any man should boast. So if I'm saved according to the good that I have done or the abstinence that I have done, then I could boast to other men and before God saying that, well, I'm glad I'm getting into the kingdom because I stopped sinning. But you know what I learned that's so crazy, James? There's a lot of good behaving atheists out there that have conquered sin or sin, right? That that don't fornicate, celibate, um, you know what I'm saying? They don't drink, they don't go out to parties, and these are the things that we're hanging on for righteousness. That means that they're also righteous then. But we all we all know that that's not the case. We are righteous according to the scriptures by faith in Jesus Christ and the death, burial, and resurrection. We are attributed righteousness. That's it.

SPEAKER_07

I think that that attributing of righteousness is something that it will help you on that journey. When you know what righteousness comes from, where righteousness is gained through, once you have that understanding, it brings clarity to our walk with Christ. So for me, the clarity for my walk with Christ didn't come through me stopping certain sins. The clarity of my walk with Christ didn't come with me um becoming morally acceptable or morally justified. The clarity in my walk with Christ came when I reached a point where I said, I can't make it on my own. And that's actually where you're supposed to begin from.

SPEAKER_01

The lowness of my mind.

SPEAKER_07

Where I ended up was where I was supposed to begin from. I ended up saying, I need to be more righteous through Christ. I can't rely on my strength. But I didn't start off that way. I started off with God fix me, I and send me out now. You know what I mean? I looked at Christianity, and I want us to tackle this a little bit. I looked at Christianity like a sort of like a workshop, like a clinic, a quick clinic. Once I get out of here, I'm good. You do what you gotta do, I'm gonna go do what I gotta do, but I'm gonna just do better in my life. No.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Christ is a lifeline, it's a new life. This is not a one, one time, one size, fix all. This is this is a transformative process that takes day in and day out. You don't just do it one time and then think, ah, it is what it is. I'm I'm gonna live on with my life. You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

Fasting, prayer, study of the Bible, these things are great. You're gonna you're gonna have zeal when you first start your walk with your walk with Christ. You're gonna you're gonna have a lot of zeal to do these things. But because you're doing these things in abundance does not mean that that that oh now you're the you're the biggest Christian. Every believer has to be careful of that. You know what I'm saying? Salvation itself doesn't mean that, doesn't mean that, oh, now you just become a spiritual being and you become so mighty, your behavior changes. It's very no, no, no, no. It's truly a process. Like there's times, there's seasons, there's gonna be times where you struggle, there's gonna be times where you your your knowledge, your the revelation of Christ that you have received is now very abundant, but you've got to be careful of the zeal that that you receive at the beginning of your walk. It's like what James was saying when he first when he first came to Christ, you know, he was very zealous, and then it starts to slow down. That doesn't mean but I think people have to be careful because we idolize what we received when we first received Christ.

SPEAKER_02

It was like, bro, I've slowed down, I'm not doing what I used to do.

SPEAKER_08

And let me and let me say something too. You slowed down, that shows that there was something wrong there. That the way you started off wasn't according to the truth that God had for us. Yeah, yeah. You see, and and we neglect the fact that we'll still have weaknesses. That's that's what's so scary.

SPEAKER_01

And I would say um to add to that, two things that I've noticed from someone that is beginning to understand this concept is that first and foremost, they are no longer carrying a limited mindset of thinking that they are they are free from sin. That the person that is finally coming to understanding how they can be saved, they are there's an outpouring of knowledge that falls into the person where they finally are understanding God in his fullness. And then number two is there's the understanding of grace now that I have this knowledge, but I'm not going to misuse it as a license to sin, which is obviously the rebuttal that people use when we talk about grace. But those two things, when you begin to see those factors coming into a man, you understand that that saved mindset is becoming established. I think that's something that you have to be mindful of as you're trying to, you shouldn't be trying to gauge whether or not you're saved, it should be a knowing. But I think when you begin to see an outpouring of revelations of God into your brain, even sometimes in your day when you're having random inspirations about God, and then you can see that you're no longer just looking at people and judging them for habitual sinning or judging them for how long they're praying or just these random man-made laws, I think you're beginning to find yourself into a really good place, you know.

SPEAKER_02

One thing I want to say is that God is bigger than your law-based law-keeping metric system having mind. Yeah, God's love exceeds your comprehension, which means that when you swore to God that you would never do this sin again, God, I will never do that again. And you did it. Number one, God stands outside of time, meaning that he already knew the sins that you would commit and still died for you. Right? Yeah. So the things that you fall short in don't trump the mercy that God has already shown you in the finished works of Jesus Christ. So we have to continuously remember what we have been given and not what we earn. You earn a spot on the roster, you earn a spot at your job, you earn a spot in a line because you got there first, but you didn't earn your way into heaven, and you didn't earn your way into salvation, it was freely given to us.

SPEAKER_07

Salvation was definitely freely given to us.

SPEAKER_08

And just and just by the fact that it's a gift, every believer should be assured in their salvation. Yes. Once Jesus Jesus Christ rose from the dead and you believed in him by faith, guess what? The assurance of salvation is imputed to everybody. Everyone, yeah, but you see, the problem is that we're not reassuring our hearts because we don't know how we we don't understand the salvation. We don't understand the salvation, exactly. That's just point blank what it is for real.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so the scripture says that we are imputed the righteousness of Jesus Christ through faith. So the resume of Jesus Christ is perfection, there's no higher level of righteousness than what Christ did. And we are given that.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Go ahead, James, my bad.

SPEAKER_07

I think um, just based on what everyone is saying, it goes back to that measurement system. And the measurement system stems from the outward expression of men without the inward honesty. I think many of us are not inwardly honest, and because we're not inwardly honest, it's not talked about enough. Yes. And it's not talked about enough from the top, it starts from the top. When pastors are not honest enough and saying, hey, I was going through things that I didn't think, because you don't want to be hearing those things from your leaders. Right. Because we will stone them at the bottom. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But how much more Jesus Christ himself. That's true. The Bible says that he was, you know, suffering in like passions, but he's able to sympathize with us because he went through the things that we went through. Many of us are struggling with the idea of salvation because we are struggling with things that many other people very well struggle with. Yeah. And I started to tell myself one day, I started to say, you know what? I looked at everyone around me and I said, No, it's not that I don't love God. It's not that I I don't want to know God. It's that I need to I need to be transformed by the renewing of my mind. Yes. And I said, I know that I'm not the only one who feels like this. I know I'm not the only one who has this thought in their mind that I'm struggling and I need help. But I know there are other people around me who have this idea that I feel like I'm the only one because nobody else is gonna speak of it.

SPEAKER_02

And it's not love. Let me show let me say one thing real quick and then we'll move on to the next topic. If a father sees his son drowning, he doesn't say paddle faster. This kid is drowning. So that's what it looks like when we're trying to save ourselves from our own bondage and sin. Yeah, a loving father sends a life vest. That life vest was Jesus Christ. And anyone who grabs on it is saved. But this is how it looks like when you don't accept the gospel. You're you're drowning, right? And then you say a life, a life vest is being sent, and you're like, no, no, no, I got it. That's what it looks like. Because I'm trying to earn and show my father that I can get myself out of the water. A news flash, you can't get yourself out of the water. You're drowning and sinning. You need that life vest, and that's Jesus Christ. And when you accept him, you're righteous.

SPEAKER_01

You understand something? Yeah, I was gonna say sometimes those standards that you set for yourself internally, it completely deviates from what God has written for you. And I think that yes, there is um there's a level of inspiration that you get from just praying and fasting and all those things, but I think it's very important that we're checking scripture. That sometimes we're not we're not running rapid with our own ideas, and sometimes your heart or your mind can be very deceptive. So you'll tell yourself something like, Man, I fell today, I'm out. And you disqualified yourself, and God's looking like, did you read my scripture? Yeah, did you read what I told you? Did you read that your mind forever? Did you read that the Holy Spirit is permanently sealed in you? That it's not just coming for a visitation, that is it's us for us now. That right there. Do you know that? Do you believe that? And a lot of us, we say we believe it, we we talk the good talk, we go to church, we do all the actions, but sometimes a question just as much as how do I know I'm saved, you're like, you can't answer it. You ask people in the if you ask that question in church today, maybe people are gonna be like, uh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07

I don't know if I'm actually in the church though. And that's sad, bro. And that's sad. Yeah, yeah. Because Jesus Christ is the bedrock. Jesus Christ being God, Jesus Christ coming to the world, dying, being buried, rising from the dead, is the bedrock, the pillar and ground of truth for our Christian experience. Yes. So the fact that that's the gray area means every other area must be gray for us. Every other area must be great. So the question of how do I become saved, like we already said before. Well, we didn't say before because it wasn't recorded. But Romans chapter 10, verse 8 to 9. At this point, everybody's like, dude, I've heard that scripture.

SPEAKER_06

Look at MJ's face. MJ is so like downcasted. Guys, ministry sometimes, and it's not easy.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, but tough. Yeah. Anyway, Romans chapter 10, verse 8. It says, but what does it say? The word is near you in your mouth and in your heart. That is the word of faith which we preach. That if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. A person becomes saved by believing in their heart what Christ has done for them on the cross and thereafter. Salvation or becoming saved or gaining salvation is believing in what Jesus Christ has done, accepting that, and not only what he did on the cross, but what he did thereafter. The death, burial, and resurrection are all important factors to us becoming saved. It can't just be, oh, Christ died. Oh, Christ was buried. No, Christ needs to rise again from the dead. Many of us don't know eternal life. Many of us think eternal life is just after we go and we'll just go up and ascend into heaven. No, eternal life starts from here. Eternal life starts from the moment you accept Jesus Christ. It's a greater life within you. The Bible says, greater is He who is within you than He who is within the world. The Bible says, if the same spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead lives in you, that spirit will give life to your mortal body. So what that means is there's a reality that the believer has now. There's a reality that the believer has access to now. But when you don't have the understanding of the gospel, it makes it hard for you to accept and live out that reality. And what do I mean by that? I'm not saying that you won't go through things, but I'm saying that be of good cheer, because I have overcome the world. That's literally what Christ is saying. In this world, you will have tribulations. But when you understand what I have done, that when Jesus Christ is saying, Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. Mind you, at that point he has not overcome. In that John chapter 16, verse 33, he has not yet ascended into heaven, he hasn't even yet died. Let alone talk about ascended into heaven. Yeah. But he says, Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. So what Jesus is saying is that be of good cheer, because what I'm giving to you will be more than the tribulation you will face. What I have given you access to, it will cling to you more than you will cling to it. Yes. Think of salvation like the way God dealt with men. He says, All day long I have stretched out my hand to a disobedient people. The Bible says, even while we are yet sinners, meaning even while we were yet disobedient, salvation was ours.

SPEAKER_11

Wow.

SPEAKER_07

Can you imagine? Attaining to something that you rejected? Attaining to something that doesn't belong to you. They rejected the cornerstone. I'm telling you. So what believers need to understand is these facts of the gospel. The facts of the gospel determine your sanity. Many of us are not sane. When we go through hard times, for example, this podcast, for example, you know how hard it was to record this over and over? Every time I'm like, bro, this is too much, bro. I'm tired of it. You know what I'm reminded of? But the sacrifice. And the love of Christ. You can't compare it. You know what he went through? It compels you. So I have to keep going.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07

When you're compelled by the love of Christ, you say, Man, forget it. What is this? This is too small. This is too small. The disciples were count, they were joyful to be counted worthy to suffer because they attained to the revelation. So what I'm saying is, many of us don't truly know the facts of Jesus Christ. And because we don't know the facts of Jesus Christ, we're suffering mentally. We're going through mental turmoil, depression, sadness. When we fall into sin, we are doubting ourselves. We're questioning. The Bible talks about in James chapter 1 the person who is who is wavering in their faith. They're beholding it, they read the scripture and they don't do it. It's like a person looking in the mirror, forgetting what they look like. They're tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine, like Ephesians chapter 4. That toss to and fro is whether I'm saved today, I don't know if I'm saved today. I don't know if I'm saved tomorrow. Because we are not teaching the truth of the gospel.

SPEAKER_02

The truth of the gospel is unwavering. It doesn't change. It provides clarity. It provides clarity. So even when my behavior slips, because it will, it will, because it will. You hear that self-righteous person? It will. And when you become honest with yourself, and you say, you know what? I'm tired of striving in the flesh, and I just want to accept my inheritance. You don't work for an inheritance. It's given to you. So when you're working, the scripture says, You're do a paycheck. You're do something, right? But in Isaiah 64, it says, For our righteous deeds are as filthy rags unto God. So your mode of payment that you think will suffice, it won't. The good deeds that you're doing, hoping that God says, you know what, I see your sacrifice and I will accept you. That means that your sacrifice is bigger than the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. It's not. His sacrifice was climatic. So when we accept his sacrifice, we are given righteousness. It's an inheritance, it's an identity. Think about my jacket. My jacket was dirty. Christ's jacket was clean. We are given his clean jacket, even though we are dirty sinners. And it stayed on us. Nobody can take it off. And that is given to us according to faith. That's called the robe of righteousness.

SPEAKER_08

Right. I was gonna say something. So one thing I think every young believer, anyone that's just given their life to Christ, must understand something. If you did not hear that Jesus Christ died for your sins, that you were buried, and that you wrote that he rose from the dead after three days according to the scriptures, if that's not what you heard, you have to qu you actually have to question to see if you are truly saved. If you became saved without hearing this message, you're not saved. You see, because nowadays you see a lot of impartations taking place. Receive the Holy Ghost, receive the Holy Ghost without the preaching of the gospel. Yeah, and that's not biblical. The purpose of the gospel is for men to be saved. You can't confess Christ without hearing the gospel.

SPEAKER_02

That's true. Faith cometh by hearing.

SPEAKER_08

By hearing what? The word of God. What is the word of God? The gospel of Jesus. Yes. You can't be saved without hearing the gospel. You see, and also I've also noticed something as well. The gospel is not a fairy tale. It's not a fairy tale. It's not something that was just made up. Just like James said, it's facts. It happened. It's something that actually took place. So when it comes to believing in it, you truly have to believe with your heart. It's a convict, it's a conviction thing. You see, so a lot of times pastors they they preach a whole bunch of different gospels, but guess what? Paul says in Galatians chapter 1 that there's only one gospel. You see, and then the reason why a lot of people during those days deviated is because there were many preachers preaching a different type of gospel.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Peter talks about this too, false prophets. Right. A false prophet, by the way, doesn't look how you think things. A false prophet is right next to you. No, I'm just kidding. A false prophet, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. A false prophet is someone A false prophet could even be you. Yeah. A false prophet is someone who is simply tweaking the message of Christ just a little bit. Because even if you're sincere, and a lot of people don't think this, because we're one of them, even if you are sincere in your dealings and your preaching and you're crying and there's so much emotions, if you aren't giving the true testimony of Jesus Christ, you're professing something that isn't false. And something that James said, he he probably doesn't remember that he said it, but years ago he said it. He says, if something is 90% truth and 10% of lie, it's a lie.

SPEAKER_00

It's a lie.

SPEAKER_02

So if I'm telling you, and that's what Satan is very good at telling you truth, but not full truth, partial truth. So yeah, Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, but you still have to do works in order to get into heaven. That's not true. That's not the gospel. According to the gospel, according to what the scriptures say, we are saved by the good things that Christ has done, and we are imputed that righteousness through faith. Through faith, through faith, through faith.

SPEAKER_07

Very important. There was something MJ was saying, MJ, what were you saying before that?

SPEAKER_08

That uh the um about if you if you believed in well if you confess Christ without oh well, if you say that you're saved without hearing the gospel of Christ, then you're not truly saved.

SPEAKER_07

I said yeah, um, I think that is something that is that's what I was gonna say. I was gonna say, and the reason why many of those things are happening is because the pastors that are preaching, preaching stuff that has nothing to do with Christ, right, and then saying if you want to give your life to Christ, come up, right? You didn't preach a message that even brings salvation, right? Yeah, and and somebody may say, well, it doesn't have to necessarily be the burial resurrection. Yes, it does. Yeah, it does. If you check every time that people were saved in the got in the book the Bible from the New Testament ongoing, in Acts chapter 2, David compare, I mean, Peter compares David and Christ. Yeah, he does. He said David is dead, but this Christ is risen. Yep. And the Bible says they were cut at heart.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_07

You check Acts chapter 13, Paul begins to outline the gospel from the Old Testament.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

If you check Acts chapter 10, Acts chapter 10, Paul, Peter himself says, the prophets, he said all the prophets were witnessing of this Christ. You check Acts chapter 16. He was preaching, Paul and Silas were preaching the gospel again. And that's how people got saved. People don't get saved by you saying a message that has nothing to do with Christ, and then say, if you're in this church and you want to give your life to Christ, come on. And this is no this, this is just reality. That many of us are not hearing the message of Christ and expected to accept Christ from a message that has nothing to do with him.

SPEAKER_02

What's the scripture that you what were you just saying last night, bro, about how people were saved in the vicinity here in the message? What was that at? Acts what? Chapter 16. Acts chapter 16. So they were saved because they were around and heard the message and the Holy Spirit fell on them. That is how the Holy Spirit falls on. No, that's Acts chapter 10. Acts chapter 10. Cornelius. Yeah. The message is still consistent, right? We're saved by the word. We're not saved by our deed. We're saved by what Christ did. We're not saved by our actions. We're saved by believing in the message, not by us abstaining from sin. Right.

SPEAKER_01

I'll even say the one of the hardest things that you will face mentally when you're going into this um, how do I know I'm saved or how to become saved? Is there is going to, and I think everyone here can attest to it, is that there's this disqualifying mind that that begins to entrap you when you first begin to understand it. That you're like, man, but why am I worth this? Is am I supposed to be saved? Is it just this easy? Is it is what I've done deserving of this kind of thing for God to just save me forever? And you have to you have to really rework the frame of how you you view your relationship with God. That God owes you nothing, you owe him everything. Your existence is given to him. He says in Romans 8, it says, as many that are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God. So to be a son or a child of God, you have to be led by the things that he has given you. And if you are disqualifying yourself mentally, if you are judging yourself by what you're worth or what you esteem yourself to be on earth, you are missing what he has written for you in scripture. So you have to be mindful of that as well.

SPEAKER_07

I think many of us, um, we're too okay with listening to messages that have nothing to do with Christ. Yeah. And that shapes the framework of what you believe. 100%. How do we know that? You you are what you listen to, you are what you are around. Iron sharpened iron. Yeah. So man sharpens the countenance of his friend. So if I'm consistently hearing a message that has nothing to do with Christ, I'm gonna continue asking myself that question. Am I safe?

SPEAKER_09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Because uh this whole thing about salvation, because every man knows within them that they don't have security within themselves. At some point, you there's a level of doubt that men face within them and say, Yeah there's something beyond this realm. There's something beyond me. And I even started to think about this more about creation. When I start to look at human beings, I was even studying a book recently, and the book was saying, talking about how married couples, how wired they become in their own brains with one another. I start to think about creation, how mothers birth children and that are genetically just like the mom and dad. And we we have scientific explanations for that. That can only be God. But when people are are are so faced with and spoon-fed with things that don't give you room to grow, bro, you're just gonna be believing anything.

SPEAKER_08

Right, look at the scripture, 1 Corinthians chapter 1, verse 17. It says, For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with the wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. You see, so just like what you're saying, nowadays we're hearing all different types of gospels, we're hearing all different types of messages. You're you're hearing matter of fact, one of the one one time I heard that that God wants to bless you guys externally, and this and that, this and that, and the only way that God will bless you externally is if you just give your life to Christ right now. Come, just give your life to Christ. That's not the gospel of Christ. You see, so that's what you call the wisdom of words. The wisdom of words is when you begin to add your own understanding to the scriptures, but just add Christ to it just to say on the tail end, exactly, just at the very end to say, give your life to Christ. Christ loves you. Come, come on, come on, everyone, altar call, altar call.

SPEAKER_02

And I hate what people say, yeah, don't miss it. Right. As if you don't come up, you're gonna miss salvation. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

That's the last little chance to get inside.

SPEAKER_02

Don't miss out on this opportunity for you to be blessed by God and for you to be saved.

SPEAKER_07

And granted, they're doing that to convince people because you're you're you're wanting to persuade men, but I think we're missing the point of we're not just persuading men. What are we persuading men of? Yeah, yeah. We're persuading men of ourselves, are we persuading men of Christ? Because one thing I've realized is that many people are not afraid of God, they're afraid of their pastor, right? Many people are not afraid of sinning against God, they're afraid of hurting men, right? Yeah, they're afraid of wronging men.

SPEAKER_02

Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

That that that will tell you that our minds have not been rewired, right? Our understanding has not been enlightened. I can assess it. We are still we are still like people I don't I don't want him to figure out that I did that. I don't want them to know that I did this. I don't, I don't want these things. That that shows you that our reverence is not truly for God.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Our reverence is only in men. You want to say something?

SPEAKER_01

I'll even say, just as a warning, beware of sermons and men of God, women of God who attest your salvation to what you're doing. Because when you are following people who carry that mindset, I notice that those are the ones who on Monday they're saved, Wednesday they're not. Friday, they're saved, Saturday might be a little extra clubbing here. Sunday morning, they're back saved again. When you're following these people who continually try to attribute certain things to you being saved or certain actions, you begin to try to do those things, and when you fall short, you will fall away from something that was never true to begin with. And now you're following something that's completely diluted, and it's taken all the love of God out of it. It's just to me, it's really scary when you have so many leaders and elders in the church teaching young people the wrong things and the young people being so hypnotized by wanting to be like their favorite father or favorite person that they no longer go back into scripture to proofread what they're they're doing or even try to check it or fact-check these things. So it's just you have to be really mindful of these kind of things because, like MJ was saying earlier, that if you continue on in a way like this, it's gonna take you a long time to undo that. The same way that you spend a year dabbling in these truths, and it takes you three. Yeah, it it's it's not two weeks where you, oh, I just I'm gonna fix it. Like it's gonna be another, whoever knows how many years it's gonna take you to rework these kind of things that you've learned, you know.

SPEAKER_07

And that's why I think there's there's much importance in your commitment to hearing the word, but hearing a certain word consistently. Yeah. When you're hearing so many different messages, it's like going between form um formula, you're going through milk, you're going through breast milk, you're going through this different type of your diet is not consistent. Yeah, an inconsistent diet cannot make for a healthy baby. And when you're coming into Christ, you are a baby.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

So the inconsistency of your diet will show forth when you're when you're when you when you show signs of malnutrition. How do you show signs of malnutrition? That doubt.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

That shows that you have deficiencies, that you're insufficient in your thinking, because there wasn't clarity that was given to you. Because when when that's when you'll start to have that comparative nature, because your friends are beside you and they don't lack that assurance. Yeah. They don't lack that justification, they don't lack that mind of understanding because they have not been handed the the food that you've been handed. And not only that, it's not just about the food that you've been handed, it's also about what you decide to eat. You and and this may sound like an irony or like, well, how can you say that because you guys are doing the same thing? Many people's pastors are TikTok. Many people's preachers are YouTube. I understand that, and I don't negate the power that is within those things. But listen, don't look at us who are holding these mics and saying that, yeah, these are my I'm not your pastor. I'm not your man of God, and I'm not your inspiration. That's Jesus Christ and your commitment to local ministries or local communities who are going to hold you and build you consistently so that we can say, Ah, I know where they got that message from. We can trace where it came from. Many of us, we can't even trace, all of us who are sitting in this room, I know we can attest to this. We can't even trace some of the doctrine where we can't we got it from at this point. Because we've heard so many different, we've followed so many different pastors, we've heard so many different messages, we are now undoing it little by little and saying, Ah, I got that from there. So I need to stop listening to that. I know for a fact where the most destructive, the religious side of me, I know where it came from the most. I won't say it, yeah. But we know. We know what impacted us and and has left a stain on our Christian experience. And it's the same thing. Yeah. For example, Jabez is eating food, right? Jabez is so healthy, he's an athlete, he's doing this. All of a sudden, Jabez starts to decline health-wise. His physical features start to decline. But it didn't just come out of the blue. Something must have transpired. Jabez starts eating chips. He starts eating cookies, which is pretty ironically what we eat.

SPEAKER_06

That's pretty close.

SPEAKER_07

Don't listen to us. We're not nutritionists, we're spiritual beings. But let's say Jabez changes his diet. Now Jabez is eating cookies, chips, ice cream, as opposed to eating more wholesome meals, scrambled eggs, he's eating his fruits, his vegetables. He's declining. He can identify where the decline began from.

SPEAKER_02

These behaviors.

SPEAKER_07

These behaviors, these patterns, where they stem from. But when you just do anything, today you're on, today you're tomorrow, you're like, but I've been doing well. No, you don't remember that time where you were just doing this for so long. That has a lasting effect. You know, one thing that many of us believers don't want to accept, that the decisions you make have a lasting effect on you.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Whether you want to accept it or not, we say, ah, like, for example, there's a time where my I my eye gates didn't matter to me. I used to just watch any any kind of shows, killing shows, um, um, movies, bad movies, rated all these things. And I'm like, you might see you might see a flash of nakedness on the screen, you're like, ah, it's just a little bit of nakedness, whatever. You're becoming desensitized.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

And I'm just like, ah, whatever. And I'm just keep going watching my movie. I enjoy action movies a lot. Yeah, I can watch action movies all day. Until one day, I was watching one show that just came out recently. I was telling MJ. And then the show was based on love and immorality. And I and I remember vividly the Holy Spirit telling me, and this is how it's, this is how it happens. By you accepting immorality as just it is what it is. So, but what happened? What I'm trying to say is, I'll be watching those things and then go on about daily life. But when those thoughts start to trickle back in my mind, I'm like, how did it happen? I'm not even sinning. It's not the fact that you're not sinning, it's the fact that you've accepted things within you. You've accepted doctrines within you, you've accepted lies, you've accepted communities that have nothing to do with Christ within you. And then you now come back and say, Why am I inconsistent? Why don't I know whether I'm saved or not? Because you're accepting things that have nothing to do with knowing the truth.

SPEAKER_02

And that's why he says, I desire to know nothing else among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. That's so bivalver. And I'm not saying that you must cut off every single subscription that you have. That's not what I'm saying. He's just giving an analogy of something. He's talking about doctrine. When you're listening to 17 different different pastors, pastors, and then you're trying to say, well, he said that in order for me to be saved, I must reach this dimension. He says that I am saved according to faith. He says that in order for me to be saved, I must stop wearing earrings. I must start doing that. I'm telling you. You're gonna be confused about your walk. I'm telling you. But when you look at the scripture, and this is the most important fact. Forget YouTube for a second. Ask the Holy Spirit and ask God. The scripture says that when you seek him, you will find him. Right? So look at the scripture, because that's him, John chapter 1, verse 1. I am the word, right? But when you look at the scripture and look at salvation for what it is, guys, it's right there. Don't look, you don't have to look to 17 different pastors. Look at the scriptures for what it says, and you can be saved by the hearing of the word. The hearing of the gospel.

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, that's simple. You need to hear the word of God, you need to hear the gospel, you need to find yourself around godly community in context. Yes, godly community who are not tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. We're supposed to have one mind, one sound, one understanding. We're not supposed to have two, three, four, five different understandings. Today you're following this pastor because he's on top now. Tomorrow you say, Ah, I've outgrown that pastor. Ah, I want to go follow another pastor. No, no, no. It's the gospel. The gospel isn't changing. It's not good for us. It's not good for us to be hearing so many different messages. I understand we grow in revelation, we grow in knowledge, and the Holy Spirit may navigate us, but sometimes you need to just sit down with your Bible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

You need to just sit down with your Bible. And many of us were too lazy. And I'm not saying lazy in the sense that we don't want to read. We're too lazy in the sense that we don't want to find Christ for ourselves. We want someone to just say, here, this is who this is who he is. But then we also look at them and be like, I don't like the way they're bringing it. Let me go somewhere else. You know what I'm saying? So when it comes to how do I know I'm saved, you'll know you're saved by accepting Jesus Christ. And it's by accepting him and that consistency of looking onto him that this walk will continue. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And I go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I had a thought. I think I loved it. I was gonna say, when James was talking, I was thinking about something too, because he was going more practical with it. I was thinking for me, something that I noticed practically when I started seeing and understanding what being saved means was I stopped carrying this thought of abandonment when I sinned. Whenever I sinned, I would stop trying to abandon God and ghost and disappear for days or however long. And I noticed that when I sinned or if I fall short, I start to press inward now. Now I want to come closer, I want to read more scripture, I want to pray more, I want to understand Him more. I think that when you are becoming saved, or because we already talked about saved becoming a process and not it just being something that happens overnight. But when you're becoming saved, I think that one of the key instances that you should be gauging is what do you do when you fall short? Ask yourself the next time, the next time that you remember something that you're doing that is wrong, ask yourself after that, do you just abandon God and say, Well, okay, well, I fell sure I'm out, or do you say, Okay, I fell short, but this has shown what the heart of man actually has.

SPEAKER_07

I like that you said that. And here's how I like that you said it. I think what you just said showed me how intentional God is in family building and in the process of life. What he just explained is that he attributed his life and the mistakes that he made to abandonment. What I got from that was the same way in earthly relationship with your parents, how you made mistakes and how they responded will determine how you view mistakes when you're with God. Let's say, for example, you make a mistake, your parents punish you. You now accept Christ. Now somebody will tell you in Christ that Christ is not gonna punish you like that. Yeah, you'll say, No way. No way. I can't accept it. So many of us also need to even go back to our. And I know I used to say to myself, oh, there's so many things that I gotta do. Yeah, there's so many things, but the Holy Spirit, it's a process. So you're not in a rush. It's it's society that wants to rush you. This thing is a process, it's an everyday process. There's so many things that we're unraveling and finding out about ourselves. And trust me, bro, it's not fun sometimes. It's not easy. But just about your just think about your earthly relationship with your parents, with your relationship that you have with family, friends, just think about mistakes that you make with them. Do they show you grace? Do they punish you? For me, growing up, dude, if I get punished, I'm getting whooped. Yeah, I'm getting whooped immediately. So when you have that mindset of this is what it was like with my earthly father or my earthly family, you start to think about that relationship you have with your God-given family now, and I'm supposed to just believe that? No. So, what I'm saying is you have to go through the process of mind renewal. But to have mind renewal, you have to come out of the environment that is causing you to need mind renewal. You can't consistently go back into the environment that is causing the need for mind renewal and expect to have a renewed mind. The renewing of the mind comes from you exiting. That's why the Bible says, do not be conformed. First, don't conform. You can't conform and renew. You have to come out to come through. You understand what I'm saying? You're you're you're you're denouncing this and you're accepting the newness of mind. Yeah. But so it's very important to look at all these different features because what we're just describing is there are so many different avenues, so many different aspects that determine how you view whether you're actually saved. Because you are saved. But you accepting that salvation, believing that salvation, enjoying that salvation is all dependent upon the wisdom of God, how you have this wisdom, how you protect the word of God, and whether you're truly actually walking in it daily. You get what I'm saying? Daily, daily. I still need anyway. The last question, because time is going. We have about 10, 15 minutes left. The last question is what? Can I lose my salvation? Yes.

SPEAKER_02

The biggest thing that I, you know, I challenge everyone that has this doctrine or who has attributed this doctrine that you can lose your salvation. I want to ask you one question. And this is why the foundation of you understanding the gospel is so pivotal. If I have been saved, not according to good conduct, because that's what the scripture supports. Ephesians chapter 2, verse 8 through 9, for we have been saved by by grace through faith, and this is not by good works lest any man should boast. That's truth. That's facts, that's cold heart facts. It's right there in the scripture. We're not saved by the good things we do. If this is true, then how can I then lose my salvation by bad conduct? If I haven't gained salvation according to the scriptures by good conduct, how can I lose salvation by bad conduct? And I give you the answer. You can't lose your salvation. If you are saved according to the scriptures by faith, in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the scripture says that you are sealed. You said this earlier. You are sealed permanently with the residence of the Holy Spirit in you. That Holy Spirit, the scripture says in Ephesians chapter 1, I believe, it is your deposit, it is your guarantee. So I am Christ is essentially stamping you with a check mark. And on judgment day, he'll see if you have that Holy Spirit. And anybody who chooses to believe in Jesus Christ has the Holy Spirit. So that is what gets you into the kingdom. Not good deeds, nope, not good works, nope. Not you abstaining from uh uh masturbation, nope, not you overcoming your fear or whatever you you've put in front of salvation. When you choose to believe in Jesus Christ, you are saved and you are sealed forever.

SPEAKER_08

I want to hit on that Ephesians chapter 1, verse 13 that talks about how you're sealed. Yeah, that Holy Spirit that is now within you is God in you. You see, so when so when Jesus Christ before Jesus Christ ascended into the um into heaven and he was with his disciples, he told the disciples to go out to go out to the world, to preach the gospel. He said, I will never leave you nor forsake you. Sorry. He said, I'll never leave you nor forsake you. When you look at when you look at Romans chapter 8, when you look at Romans chapter 8, around the verse 33, from around the verse 30 to the 33, it talks about how if God be for you, who can be against you? When you go down later scriptures, the scripture would say that there is nothing that can separate us from the love of Christ. Peril, trial, tribulation, powers, all these different types, whatever you can name, there's nothing that can separate us from the love of Christ. Meaning that there's nothing that you can do to be on God's God's bad side. Because it is God that is justifying you, not by the things that you have done, but by the things that He's done. Thank you, Mike.

SPEAKER_02

And I have scriptures to back this up because what I've noticed, James, you said this two episodes ago, or well, it's only one episode ago, but three tries ago, um, is that there's a lot of people like in the comments that always talk about like, all right, so what are we supposed to do then? Does that mean that we just go live in sin or whatever, right? I'm gonna give you some scriptures that back what we're saying, right? That we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Romans chapter 8, verse 38, which is the scripture he was just talking about, is and I am convinced that nothing can separate us from God's love, neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today, nor our worries about tomorrow, not even the powers of hell can separate us from God's love. That's number one. Ephesians chapter 1, verse 13 through 14 says, When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption. An inheritance is not something you work for. An inheritance is freely given, and we are given the seal that's marked forever. Ephesians chapter 4, verse 30 says, and do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God whom by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 2 Corinthians chapter 5, verse 5 says, Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Why would the writer continue using that same verbiage? Guaranteeing, deposit, seal, seal, inheritance, seal, guaranteeing. It's because we are guaranteed salvation.

SPEAKER_01

It's not really a guaranteed salvation. It's not guaranteed. You can lose it a little bit.

SPEAKER_02

And a lot of people say that. Well, the reason why we don't say that is because you may live in sin, and that person who thinks that they can live anyway. Stop taking away the gospel. Yeah. When every time you do that, you are taking little inches away from the love of God, right? He's giving us eternal salvation.

SPEAKER_01

Also, every time you do that, it it continues to add to, and I don't want to put it on just the African church. I think it's some of the churches it's happening in in general where they are trying to build a culture of fear-based living where I can just, if I can, and nobody it happens so secretly where the nobody wants to fully like say this is what's going on, but a lot of churches are using fear to ensnare these young people into thinking that they have to do things. Yes, they have to serve mama and papa all the time. So if you have that kind of place, it turns salvation into something that you have to try to earn and you can't you can't maintain. You would never be able to maintain it if you take it from that approach. And I said it, I think maybe four or five episodes ago when we tried to re-record, re-record, that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, but it's not the continuing wisdom. As you begin to understand Him and you find these truths, you no longer have to try to earn salvation. It's just something that you rest safely in. It should be it should be something that once once you it comes to you, you don't find fear. You feel joy, you feel overcome with emotions that someone could love you on such a grave scale like this. So I feel that a lot of us spend time trying to live out of fear-based salvation instead of feeling the joy that comes from you no longer having to earn your place into the kingdom.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we come boldly to the throne of grace because we're innocent in the eyes of God.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07

I think the same way I gave, well, I gave an ex an explanation, but we went through some challenges. Like in a court system, right? Somebody who says, okay, you can lose your salvation, you gotta keep continue doing right. Do you know? If we're going by that, remember the wage of sin is death. One sin is worthy of death in the eyes of God. It's worthy of a sacrifice in the eyes of God, right? So let's say the person is saying, Oh, you're you're if you keep doing wrong, you you you're gonna do this. Imagine you go to a judge in court, right? And the judge has to abide by the laws of the land. Yep. And you say, Judge, I'm righteous. I ain't doing nothing wrong. But the judge said, No, you did that, remember? He said, Ah, but at least I did a hundred things right. Uh-uh. It's not based on those things. One is guilty of all. Scripture says that.

SPEAKER_02

James chapter 2.

SPEAKER_07

If you sin once, you're guilty of all. So this idea that we're not saved once and that salvation is dependent upon continuous acts will let you know that we've blinded ourselves from the truth.

SPEAKER_11

Yes.

SPEAKER_07

Because the truth is that one sin means you're guilty of the rest. Forget the fact that you only did it once. And that's how people talk who justify self-works. That's how people talk who don't want to accept one save, always save. See, I don't shy away from one save, always save. No. Because I know what it feels like to not believe in one save, always save. So when it comes to this one save, always save topic, people are like, I don't really want to talk about once. No, I believe in once saved. You're always saved.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_07

And that salvation is not a license to sin. That's a license to live a life in liberty, not using it as a vice, but as a way and a means to glorify God through your body to which he has given unto you. So we have to teach people that accurately, but that doesn't negate the fact that it's still once saved, always saved. It doesn't negate the fact. It doesn't negate the fact. Zevin got some money for me. But you know what I mean? So it's very important to understand these things. I think it's very important for us to understand how do we become saved, what is salvation, and whether we or not we can lose our salvation. So that is really a cap-off to this episode of the 1014 podcast. We have gone through so many challenges to get you guys this episode. But by the grace of God, we are who we are, and we stand in the truth of the gospel. And we just want people to be changed. We want people to experience the love of Christ. We want people to see that Christ is worth accepting, Christ is worth believing. And we're not any pastors, we're not these big spiritual men of God. We're just three, no, four young men who love the Lord and we love him. We may not love him the way that men say we should love him, but we try our best to serve him in any way we can, any way that we can. Just basically show our expression of love to him. So please feel free to reach out to us, ask us any questions, like, comment, share, subscribe. And please, if you want to offer any help to the podcast, because we have gone through so many challenges. If you have any way you can help us, you can reach out to us. Um, our email should be in our YouTube description or um in the video description. Our information will be in there. Our Instagrams, our TikToks. Feel free to reach out and chop it up with us. Ask any questions. And we might talk about it on the podcast. But God bless you. Thank you for joining us on this episode, and we hope to see you on the next episode. God bless. Shalom.