Is there IP in hospitality?

Recorded on Christmas Eve, this episode of the Pinnicast finds Leon and Michael at a critical midpoint in their journey to open the Pinnacle. After weeks of deceptively smooth progress, the duo finally encounters their first taste of project volatility as two investors drop out, forcing a quick pivot and a budget recalibration. Michael shares the surprising news that several members of the internal PAX team have stepped up as investors, deepening the personal stakes of the project. The conversation also challenges industry norms by advocating for unfiltered transparency over traditional "smoke and mirrors" hospitality. Leon pitches a heartfelt weekly idea for a community Christmas lunch, and the team discusses the nuances of non-alcoholic beer on tap. This episode offers raw insights into capital raising, team loyalty, and the high-pressure reality of opening a venue during the holiday season.

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Chapters

• 4:55 Confronting the "not normal" smooth start
• 7:00 Challenging the industry's closed-door policy
• 11:39 Navigating sudden investor dropouts
• 17:08 The internal PAX team becomes investors
• 29:00 Pitching a community Christmas lunch

Transcript

0:00 Leon: Hello Paxs and Pinnicast listeners, it's Leon here and we're about to hit you with episode five. If you've been following along, you'll know that means we're halfway through the series. It was Christmas Eve when we recorded this one and we finally hit some volatility in the project. Hope you are enjoying the series thus far. We want to do more of these, so if there's things you like or don't like, hit us up via email, hello@paxs.melbourne. Alright, here comes episode five for your listening pleasure.
0:45 Leon: Hit record by the way.
0:46 Michael: Ah, we're on.
0:47 Leon: Well, do you want to timestamp this then for everyone listening?
0:50 Michael: Timestamp, we are Christmas Eve, 24th of December. Yep, I am absolutely cooked.
0:57 Leon: In what way?
0:58 Michael: Oh, just coming off sickness. I think it's just like end of year. Yeah, just for the release.
1:06 Leon: How many days since the last recording? It'd be just over seven?
1:10 Michael: Yeah, I think so. Just over seven. And I feel like now we're coming into, yeah, obviously the 24th today. I had a pretty long list of things to get done between kind of making that offer to get the pub and then getting to Christmas, knowing that the first two weeks of January are pretty much cooked getting anything done because people are away. And we've kind of done it, which is really good. So just like the long list of little things that seem pretty easy mid-year can become pretty hard this time of year. So just getting all those things ticked off like, the brand is not a little thing, but we got that done so then we could get that branding to the printer for glassware and now that's in line to, soon as they come back, they'll hit print and we'll have our glasses. And just literally like a dozen of those things, getting the painting quote, getting the joinery quote, Sparky come through. Like all just like those things that consume time that this time of year kind of doubly hard. So it's good to get all that out of the way. So I'm pretty pumped with that. The brand looks awesome. Shout out to Rob Oesch. I'm going to get your last name wrong, I always do. Who's based in the States now but originally worked with... we talked about him in the last episode.
2:29 Leon: What did you, because basically today you're hitting pause now. Like we're going on ice for the next couple of weeks. Are you anticipating between Christmas and New Year doing anything on this project?
2:39 Michael: Not for the pub, no. I mean, I might have a few conversations but everyone's out of office is on so there's no point. You know what I mean? Like I've got a brief, a briefing sheet for our lawyers ready for the shareholders agreement, kind of ready to go. Just a few details around investors that need... I need to finish off. But I know as soon as I hit send on that, I'll be like, oh, I feel good and then eight seconds later the out-of-office will come back and I'll be like, oh, cool, that's going nowhere now. So for me it's like yeah, I need to get it done but also what's the point of sending it until the 5th until they're back. It's a bit of like the classic tick the box and feel good for a second. But yeah, just stuff like that.
3:22 Leon: Okay. Was there anything that was on your list to get done before this date that didn't?
3:30 Michael: Fuck no, I don't think so.
3:33 Leon: You got it all?
3:34 Michael: Yeah, got it all.
3:35 Leon: Are you thinking of everything then?
3:36 Michael: Yeah, I know, that's the thing.
3:38 Leon: Sorry to plant that seed in your mind just before you sleep.
3:41 Michael: No, no, it's every time I go to sleep I'm like it's probably something I'm missing, so it's fine. Sorry, this chair is like about to collapse. Is yours the same?
3:50 Leon: Oh, mine's a bit squeaky. If any of us fall we'll just take it in our stride. No, what were you saying?
3:58 Michael: No, I feel pretty good. Now it's just the waiting game to be honest, until we get keys. Playing a bit of email ping pong with the agent once that sale, the contract of sale comes through and we're good to go ahead. It does become a bit of a waiting game and for me I kind of don't want to overthink it either. Like that thing of have you thought of everything but then it's also like maybe don't. Like don't overthink either.
4:24 Leon: Do you know something I had a thought on the way here? It's funny. I drove in today instead of riding because I've got to carry all that shit home with me and when I'm driving, not to say that I'm a careless driver in any way...
4:38 Michael: I've driven with you. You're a better driver than me, that's for sure.
4:42 Leon: Yeah, well when I'm driving right, it's like, well when I'm riding I'm locked in. You know, I'm just focusing and focusing, it's just like mindfulness, right? But like when I'm driving I'm just like fuck, this is so easy, right? Like my mind can wander a little bit. And I was just thinking about this podcast and I was thinking about how funny it would be if we start releasing it soon, next couple weeks, but before settlement and imagine if like the current team, the current owners that have it start listening to the episodes and go, "Oh, hang on, maybe we shouldn't sell it because you just solved all our problems for us." And then they just go, "Yeah, nah, we're thanks for the fucking free advice dickheads, but we're pulling the sale." And then they just turn it into this awesome pub. That would, I would almost be okay with it because that would just be pretty funny. It would make for a really good final episode for us, wouldn't it? Just me sobbing for 15 minutes. And like, "And that's the episode everyone, thanks for listening." Yeah, that would be fucked up.
5:40 Michael: Well, I had a similar thought but mine was like we start releasing it and someone gets pissed off along the way and then shit hits the fan and they decide to pull the sale or something like that. And I'm like, oh imagine. Just a little bit of work's been put into it.
5:59 Leon: I know. But I mean you know that's the nature of what we're doing here right? Like we're going out on a limb. Like this whole podcast is going out on a limb and you know Lauren was saying in our weekly tracker meeting, what was that yesterday?
6:14 Michael: Yesterday.
6:15 Leon: She was like listening to the content and going wow, this is like this is pretty full, like open door. Bit out there, yeah. But it is, I mean you know that's the decision we made right, is to just do this and it's not like it's just going to be this easy thing where we just hit record and then release it. Like we're going to have to take a lot into consideration in terms of you know how this impacts certain people, if there's any splashback, like we're obviously going to ethically and morally do everything right. But we've made this decision in the name of trying to produce something unfiltered so people get a really great bit of exposure into how someone like you opens a venue. So you know take the risks that come with it.
7:00 Michael: I mean I'm always the classic, it's risky not being risky in my mind. And I think we've all been so conditioned, I think just in life but also in our industry, to be pretty closed door on everything. Exactly. And it's very, I think it's this tension between I think two main things, one being not wanting our competitors to know what we're doing and how to do it which in our world I'm always the guy that's like there is no IP in hospitality. There is but there isn't. It's this weird thing. And then the other side of the smoke and mirrors for our guests and customers. Of they're not meant to see under the hood in any way. True. They're meant to just see the finished product on a plate in front of them, enjoy it and then you know maybe come back.
7:49 Leon: It's so funny that we've been conditioned to think that that is the forum that we should all be operating on because there's just such clear examples even anecdotally, right? When you think about the brands that you most love and the brands that you're most loyal to or maybe even forget about brands just think about like the businesses that you most support. It's usually because you've gotten a look under the hood and you've gotten to understand more about the business and it's like oh that is like a, you know, a guy who's owned that particular business for the last 10 years and these are the hardships he's gone through and now you have an affinity with it. So why have we landed in this place where it's like no, no, no, you can't see? Is it insecurity? Is it fear?
8:33 Michael: I think it's fear. And I think it's fear from you know from the person that might want to open up and show and then be pointed at and say you're doing it wrong. Right, right, right. I think there's that's part of it, but also yeah people just throwing shade for no reason. Like you see not just in hospitality but in just the world, anyone that puts something out there puts themselves at risk. Sure. Of of backlash and I heard this thing the other day when it was a comedian talking on a podcast saying you know I tell my friends just to post and ghost. And just basically post what you want on socials and just never look at it. Right. Because people just getting stuck in comments and worrying about what other people are thinking and that sort of thing. And I think that thinking can be applied to kind of everything not just socials, it's just like put yourself out there and honestly if there's and I've said this before to you a lot when it comes down to hospitality and venues and that sort of thing, it's like I don't care if 10% of people hate what we do. Yeah sure. If we have 25% that are like frothing and then everyone else likes it. Yeah, yeah totally. That for me like if everyone like if literally 100% of people are kind of middling in terms of what they feel about you or in your business... Yeah that's a problem. Yeah that's a problem man. You're just going to get the same sales day in day out and maybe that's nice for some people, but it's always those businesses like oh I'm just not sure why that's never really taken off. Yeah totally. They're the ones. So I just feel like you need to put yourself out there, take the risk and have a crack.
10:15 Leon: All right. Updates.
10:19 Michael: Update, investor. Well, okay that's been a probably a rollercoaster. Yeah, you probably would have heard earlier in these episodes that we bleeped some people out due to them dropping out.
10:35 Leon: Wait, what do you mean by that?
10:37 Michael: We're going to bleep them out. Well we going to, gotcha.
10:41 Leon: Oh sorry, but by the time people are listening to this they would have been bleeped out. My brain just caught up with the timeline. It's Christmas Eve, I'll give you that one.
10:53 Michael: And I'm sure they would have been fine you know leaving in but whatever, I think it's better just to... They might be fine. I mean yeah, I think we just got to have the like pretty much any name, any person or brand that we've spoken to we got to ask. Yeah, we got to clear it, right? So except the agent. You can be like, come on. Nah, I'll ring him. But yeah, like all of that, like yeah, so sorry, go that's been crazy like I think it's funny, I might just set this a little bit that you know in the last episode that we recorded we talked so much about how this is a bit too good to be true, everything's come together and then I guess the first like bit of volatility has kind of hit.
11:39 Michael: Yeah exactly. I mean it's volatility, it's just a little speed bump like yeah sure you know we've had two investors drop out. Is it two definite? It's one, but we're just waiting on the other. But he hasn't been like much communication gone on since. Yeah and that's been me as well because I've just kind of left it. Okay, got it. And a lot has you know leading into Christmas and all that sort of stuff taken into consideration, so you know the reason I haven't pushed very hard is because I'm not that worried.
12:12 Leon: Yeah, fair.
12:13 Michael: And you know we've got a couple of other people that are waiting in the wings to to kind of take that those positions. And we've had a slight adjustment of the budget as well, adjusting down, which I love. Which is great. And once we do that and then get one or two other investors in, we're kind of sorted. And we've had someone else come in and say that they'll we can loan some some cash just before opening if we really need it. I don't want to pull that ripcord until we really need it, but
12:47 Leon: Yeah I mean hopefully we won't, but it's in my opinion or if I was to give you my perspective on how this all transpired it was like you put together that amazing deck, which we should allow people to see. We'll put it in the show notes or whatever. Yeah, we can do that. But but we didn't exactly send it out far and wide, right? Like we only circulated it to a very select few people.
13:08 Michael: Oh man, we sent it to like four people.
13:12 Leon: Yeah, I reckon maybe it was five, but it was like those people that we sent it to basically like the majority of them were just like yeah, I mean the people the some of the people that were like hey not good timing for me. Like you know, one of them's a fucking footy player in the AFL who can't get out of the media spotlight right now. Yeah, no problem. No stress. You know whereas you know the other one was like in about to launch like a retirement fund type business. Yeah. So it's like all right, no stress, but the but everyone was just like yeah like we're in and we didn't really go much further than that. But now it's like okay, yeah you sort of rang me on a Saturday morning was like hey man fuck, this has happened. You were very, very calm about it, which was great. But yeah, I feel like it was like you know by that Monday it was like I mean I that night hit up a couple people, literally two, one of which I was like this that would be great if that person came on board. And then by Monday you'd met them and it was like yeah it's all good. Feels comfortable.
14:14 Michael: Yeah. Yeah, I think for me it's like I know I've said this in the last episode I think, but we're very privileged with the people we've been able to meet along the way. Yeah. And that kind of know how we operate or have looked under the hood with us before and and are comfortable that you know we we can run a tight ship and and run a business. So we've got those people in our network, which is awesome. And to have those people that trust us and actually want to the person that is coming in wants to is coming in because they want to learn. Yeah exactly. It's not just an investment opportunity, they're seeing it as look under the hood. We'll we'll maybe hold off on names until the paperwork's signed. Yeah exactly. It's a good idea. Nah, I'm or yeah, money in the bank's probably the good yeah, money in the bank. Okay, yeah that's a good point.
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17:01 Leon: What about like the crew?
17:04 Michael: Yeah, talk about that.
17:05 Leon: I mean like Kate and Lauren and Tim.
17:08 Michael: Yeah, so I think a big one for us like you know we've got an amazing team in Paxs. Yeah. And you know you know I hate to think the the amount of years of experience across the the five of us, I don't want to think about that because a lot. Many, many. 100, probably. Yeah, easy 100. Yeah, exactly. And I think we're all at a a similar stage of life and want to do good in what we do every day for work, but also want to be involved in great things as well. So I think having them put forward a few weeks ago basically that they'd be interested in investing as well as working on it. And for me that was just like ah man, like these people are already going to do a good job because they are who they are. And they're part of the Paxs team in supporting the venue. But now that they're going to be investors as well and and you know really putting the money where their mouth is and it's huge. It's funny when when we had that conversation or Kate kind of brought it up and when she did, the way that I felt about it I had two really strong emotions instantly. The first one was just like elation because it's like man, you guys are the people that I want to spend the rest of my life with. You know what I mean? Like that's what we're building here and it's like that's I like anything we do, there's no one else I'd want involved other than the immediate people around me, right? And it's like so that was just like oh this is awesome. But then I felt this sense of guilt because I was like, oh how did we not even fucking like why did they have to ask? How did we not even offer? Like it's I'm certain, I'm certain, I could be wrong, but when we were starting this whole thing and I was trying to you know convince them and to come and work with us, I'm sure I said at some point that like hey anything we ever do you guys get to invest in you know first right refusal. But it was probably lost amongst 58 other things that I'd also said in the one meeting. But I got that yeah I just felt this sense of like oh man I'm fucking so stoked that we're going to do it this way, but also oh I felt like you know it's like you came over to my house I didn't offer you a drink and then you asked, any beers in the fridge? Yeah sure. It's kind of like that but then it's kind of like someone coming into your house with a beer and then telling them to open it. Yeah sure, sure, yeah. Because they're giving you you know what I mean? Yeah totally. So I don't know for me I always feel and this I think just a lot of people will feel like this in life is it's much easier to ask for things from people sometimes that you're not super close with. True. Especially something as you know that can be a bit decisive as as money, right? And I think for me yeah obviously dream scenario that they want to put money in. But I also I had the other emotion of like I already believed in the project, right? I know it's going to be great. But as soon as they're putting money in I'm like fuck, it has to be great. Yeah for sure. And I'm like okay I've got you know people that are close to us putting money in and that we work with every day, it needs to work. Yep. Right? There's just no two ways about it. And you know, wait were you not feeling that way when I was getting involved? Nah, you were fine. It's different though, because you're business partner, direct business partner is different. But yeah for them it's just like okay there's a lot of families involved now. Yeah totally. How many kids we got between all of us? Yeah three, six, eight, like 10, 11. Is it? It's a lot of kids. So I just want to know like we're a very family-oriented team fuck one of those kids better take over Paxs in like 25 years or something. I know I'm slowly grooming Myer to like get into hospo. But I think it might be Ida, I'm not sure. Okay. Perna hasn't revealed herself yet. She's she's three. Alright cool. There's time. There's time. I think Perna I think Ida will end up actually being the you know emulation of Vicky and be the cook. Ah okay. Yeah I'm already saying that a lot. Yeah nice. She always wants to be making cakes and shit.
21:12 Leon: Okay, what else on that? Like so okay because so sorry just to bring this back to the journey thus far because I think it would be hard for people to follow this so basically it was like should we just snapshot it really clearly? To date? Well yeah I mean in terms of like originally from an investment standpoint like I'm trying to give people a sense of like this is how it's all come together. So originally you put the deck together, you wanted to raise 330, 380, 360? 360 I think. 360. That was the original thing, right? It was 360 we put it out to market at 360, got about 75% of the way there with people that had confirmed verbally. Yeah. Well I mean wasn't it's not like they confirmed verbally and we ran with it, they were they're looking at paperwork, right? So it's yeah it was good progression. And so we didn't push it any further than that because we were holding off, we wanted to wait and see what happened. In that time though, Kate, Lauren and Tim were like hey we really want to invest too. So we're like all right well let's definitely not put the word out to anyone else because we want we'd rather it be them than anyone else. So we were looking pretty good but also in that time you started to rework the budget. And you were like man we can get away with much less than this. Yeah. Which makes the prospect a lot better. We also put like some guarantees in place for the investors of what like will like Paxs will personally guarantee a certain amount of that investment, blah blah blah. Yeah, basically that if 50% of the investment wasn't paid back within 36 months... Yep. ...so three years, we would start paying it back via Paxs. Yeah, personally yeah. So yeah for us doubling down that Paxs will be in a fine place to be paying that down by then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And from a budget point of view it was about 360, I got it down to 300 and now it's sitting at like 285. Insane. So it's sitting in a pretty good spot. And 285 like to give everyone I don't think I've really dived into the budget that much on the pod. No we should totally be doing that. But I'll give you a quick overview. So 120,000 for the purchase of the business. Doesn't carry GST with it FYI. Nice to know. Good. Um so 120 there, there's a 55,000 bank guarantee. Um and then another I'm putting in another 55 which is kind of just padding for when we open. You know big thing a lot of people do is they open without the padding and basically from day one you need to be making profit otherwise you're cooked. Can we can we pin it, come back to this. Let me finish the investor part. Oh yeah, sure.
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24:06 Leon: So it was originally it was 360 is the original budget, put the word out, got people who committed to that. You brought it all down to effectively you just kept finding ways to sweeten the deal for everyone really. Yeah exactly. So the shareholding goes up but the investment stays the same. But then it was like oh shit one potentially two of those initial people were like hey I mean one of them's just flat out hey timing is just no good for me because of the business I'm about to launch. Exactly. And we're not sure about the other one. But in that time it's like okay great we've gone back out to market with a very select few people that have both effectively said yes. Um in which case if that all comes into fruition we're we're back to raised all the money. Yeah we're fine. We're good again because now you've yeah it's less than what we originally wanted but the budget's lower. Which I feel amazing about. Because I think you know 280-ish k to spend on launching a business is fucking insanity. Like that's really low you know and it's amazing but then to even note that within that 120 of it is just the opportunity cost. Exactly. And then 55 of it's the fucking security deposit. It 100 grand but but it fits to me because and I've sort of said it from the start it's like this feels very turnkey right? It's like we're not going in to be like the way a pub group would renovate you know an existing heritage site but then it's super modern on the inside. We're just going in to run it better and just bring it back to its roots a bit. So that budget feels right to me.
25:57 Michael: Yeah I mean I've never done a pub before so this this idea that you can is that custodianship discussion we've had of of like taking over rather than a normal restaurant where there's not many restaurants you can walk into and do that. Yeah sure. And just put your and then you want to change the cuisine or or do your whole thing and then it's like suddenly you're doing a whole fit out really quickly. Got it. And then the type of food you want to do is different to what was in there before so it's a different oven it's just like expense, expense, expense. Whereas for us it's like it's a pub, it has great bones, paint, a good clean. We're good.
26:40 Leon: Well also like we said from the start it's like you know we've been really fortunate that when it comes to raising money in this instance it's been really amazing and time frame wise really quick. But remember I saying in one of the earlier episodes even if we raised no money... Yeah we could literally open. We just open. We could we could literally take the keys on the 1 Feb, take a week for us to do our work as in like literally ourselves do it. Yeah yeah exactly. Just to clean it up. Yeah yeah exactly. Take the stage out, pull the curtains down... Yeah and start trading. And even if it was like you know two or three nights a week we're both pouring beers and like you just do it. Yeah it is what it is.
27:18 Leon: So um okay I think that's a good snapshot. I mean I will also just point out and acknowledge that in the grand scheme of things at least in my experience raising money for projects like this doesn't go as smoothly as what it has for us. Yeah fuck no. Like it came together pretty quick, there's a bit of volatility there, but even when you think about it man like to have investors pulling out and then new ones coming in, like this all happened in a fucking week or 10 days. Wild. Right? So but landing in a pretty good position. Um okay then budget wise what would you how would you dissect that? Or should should we do a separate bit on that? Because I think...
28:02 Michael: I reckon we can do a whole like I'd love to do a whole ep nearly on the budget and build. Because it's like for me I can talk really talk through it's not just like we paid we're going to pay this much for this, it's like I want to tell people the why behind it. Yeah got it. And the reasons why I want to spend money on these things and not these other things.
28:22 Leon: So I love that idea. Let's do that next episode because think about it we're going to go put everything on ice. For like first week of Feb, oh sorry first week of Jan. First week of Jan, that can be the topic because there won't be much progress to talk about. No that's good. Yeah nice.
28:38 Leon: Okay what else have you got? Anything else you want to chuck in here?
28:42 Michael: Um, nothing else major. I'm waiting um for you to tell me your idea of the week.
28:49 Leon: Oh, okay. I got one I know you're going to love. Yeah because I I sneakily did a bit of foreshadowing.
28:57 Michael: Oh you did? Oh no.
28:59 Leon: I can't remember where we were going. I feel like we were driving somewhere. Where have we driven to together lately?
29:06 Michael: South Yarra?
29:07 Leon: Oh yeah, that's right. So here's the idea. Okay being Christmas and all, I think that next year so this time next year... Sure. ...what we should do on Christmas Day is a Christmas lunch for those in need. Mmm. It would be so good. And I just think like man if we did it in a way like we could do it in a way where it's not super disruptive to everyone else's like family time you know if you got a lunch to be at it's like cool we can make that work. Sure. But logistically for anyone who wants to get involved. Um but I mean man being a part of the community giving something back. I think for people like us in the positions that we're in with the networks that we've got, there's really no excuse to not be doing stuff like this right? Like yeah. True. You think about the people like you know like Joseph and at Rumi and Hannah at Etta and Daphne and you know Robbie and Beck at City Larder, like you just got a group of humans that want the world to be a better place that are in positions to contribute in amazing ways. That's true. And that's without even going outside you know the immediate bubble. Like think about the the people that would the suppliers and what not that would want to get involved in that. You know to be able to just and just make it an annual thing right? Like every Christmas it's just like cool we're not going to necessarily open the pub to the public but it's like hey just you know maybe we open up at 10:30 and you know whoever is in need and and and wants to come and get involved can come and help us work but anyone else is like ooh it's just come in for a coffee and there's a meal and there's probably some gifts we can give away and stuff like that. Yeah nice. Yeah I like that. Good idea? It's good. It's good. Definitely going to make it in. Is it going to make it in? I mean we've got a year to decide. Yeah we've got a year. Exactly. All right well I'll keep I'll make this a a me project. Yeah good. And I'll map it all out and get the the management of it sorted so that come time it's just like yeah hit the button and get it done. Yeah I like that. I think... Also putting you on the spot, how could you argue that? Yeah exactly. In public? Yeah if you didn't like it. Yeah I'm going to be the guy to be like, no we're not going to do that dude. You'd be the Grinch. Everyone be like fuck that guy. Leon Kennedy such a nice guy but Michael, what a what a tight arse.
31:36 Leon: Um, all right anything else for this episode?
31:39 Michael: Nah we're good.
31:40 Leon: I think we're pretty good. What are you doing for the rest of your day?
31:43 Michael: Uh, I'm going to go home, my folks will be there and we're just going to get stuff ready for Christmas Day.
31:49 Leon: Oh cool. Do you do anything for Christmas Eve?
31:52 Michael: Nah we don't. I mean just eat like everyone else. Yeah okay. But just prep for the prep for the actual day. Got it. I got a bit of a hectic one because my in true like Kennedy efficiency sort of planning regime, my family forever has always done the Kennedy family thing on Christmas Eve. That way on Christmas Day everyone just goes and does the in-law thing and you don't have to be... Yeah sure. So it's kind of really good, but it also means that Christmas Eve it's a hustle because it's like if you're working on Christmas Eve like I am every single year, I got to go home and throw down and get get shit cooked and ready you know. And my family dinners are a pretty competitive forum when it comes to culinary items, so I need to go home and represent. Yeah good. Yeah I'm going home, cutting the grass and getting the fire set up because I'm going to do a spit tomorrow. So get that get that ready. Okay nice. Nice. Very important. Nice.
32:51 Leon: Um, all right let's wrap it up then man. Thanks for jumping in so close to Christmas.
32:56 Michael: Thank you.
32:57 Leon: Anytime bro. Cheers.
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