We've reached the Pinnacle.

In this series finale, we reach the finish line of our 10-day podcast sprint, recorded in a stifling 34-degree room just 48 hours before the grand reopening of the Pinnacle pub. We reflect on the intense journey of documenting a venue build in real-time. Michael shares insights into the 'anti-climax' of opening day and the necessity of finding an internal yardstick for success to avoid industry burnout. From community feedback on the street to the viral reception of their project, they celebrate the enrichment of the Fitzroy North community. Stick around for more of Leon's ideas - including a Sunday Roast hotline and limited edition vinyl podcasts designed to reward their most dedicated listeners as the pub finally throws open its doors to the public.

Join us on this journey from idea to opening the doors to The Pinnacle.

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Podcast produced by Posterboy Media.

PAX acknowledges the Wurundjeri Woi-wurrung people as the traditional custodians of the land on which we operate. We pay our respects to elders past, present and emerging and to all First Nations People.

Transcript

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Welcome to episode 10. This series is officially over today. We made it to the end. Thank you so much for joining us this far. It's been so much fun making this podcast, and we're absolutely stoked with the response. For this episode, we stupidly decided to record in a really hot room with no air con or open windows on a 36-degree day. Idiots. So, not gonna lie, this one gets pretty loose. Uh, but we do cover some good ground and we dropped some big hints as to the future of this podcast as a concept. As far as this series on the pinny is concerned, well we've been trying to think of the best way to follow it up for you guys. We thought, let's do a post-opening series or a bonus episode on the regular programming pack season, which FYI starts in a couple of weeks, so please watch this space. But then we thought, hang on, if anyone wants an update as to how this all turns out, then all they'd have to do is rock on over to 251 St. George's Road in Fitzroy North, because the doors to the pub officially open today. That's right, at 4 pm today, we are open to the public. So if you've enjoyed the series and are sad that it's over, well it's not. It keeps going every single day in real life. All you have to do is come in for a beer and you'll always be part of the story. Hope you've enjoyed this series. We hope you enjoy this episode, and we'll see you down at the pub real soon. Cheers. Good to go. Good to go, mate. Sick. Um, last episode, man. Ever? Nah, we'll come back. No, we'll have to do some follow-ups. Surely gotta do at least one. One, four weeks, maybe or four weeks, maybe two weeks post-open. One, two weeks post-open, and then one couple months. A couple months. Yeah. Well, you know, like I was saying in the text message this morning, I feel like you're this has actually been so neat and tidy. The 10 days of actually putting out an episode every day is fucking that's a sprint. Like that is some serious work. But we could be a lot more prepared for that next time around. I'm thinking, like, in between every season of the PAX hospitality podcast, we should do a 10-day series like this. And just find a new venue opening. Yeah. Maybe it'll be us doing another one. Or someone else. If anyone's listening and they want us to do this for them, I mean, I wrote at Pax.melvin. I've been writing some pages each morning. Oh yeah. We meant like journaling. Yeah, yeah. Do you journal? Shut up. Nothing wrong with that. That's why I said pages. Write my pages. No, it's it's actually a book Vicky got me. Anyway, we should. The uh artistic way or something. Oh yeah. It's pretty good. Rick, what's his name? Nah, it's a chick. I can't remember. Oh. Anyway. Yeah. We'll put the put in the show notes. When we find out, but I just it's forcing me to write every morning. I've missed a chunk while we've been doing this project. Okay, got it. Because it's my time's been all over the place. Sure. But I finally got back onto it this morning. And um what'd you write? I was writing. It's like, oh, once we do this, we could do the pot on the next thing that we do. Yeah. Which, and literally, this is like, you know, when you put something out in the universe, and then I got a missed call from the an agent that I've been speaking to about a site in the city. Oh, class. Literally an hour after I wrote that, I was like, there you go. Here we go. Well, I mean, even it doesn't have to be a pub, right? Like, even for like the dashboard we're working on, yeah, with Nick and Casey, the fucking bread and coffee concept. Yeah, you know, eventually when I do the skate school. Yeah. I think there's gonna be enough, isn't it? But it would also be cool to do it with someone in the community. It would be, but think about how hard this has been. Yeah. And then trying to wrangle someone while they're doing a build. No, uh look, I think there just need to be some very clear criteria. Like we need to say to them, listen, don't do this if you're then gonna stop record and have existential dread about what you said. Or like you have to just be able to detach from that. Every episode, you're gonna stop recording and you go, Oh man, I could have done such a better job, or I wish I had said this, or I wish I had, and you just have to be okay with it. Like it, whatever comes out, comes out. I mean, I think about that sometimes, but when it when it plays back, I've totally forgotten about what I should have said. I know. So I'm like, oh, it's fine. Yeah, it's like no one's listening to this anyway. Yeah, we've had some good listens. No, but you know, I reckon that would be actually cool to do. And I think what what I was originally thinking was by the time season two wraps, that would probably be a good time to do a follow-up to this. So that series between season two. It'll be like three months. Yeah, so it'll be like, all right, cool, let's go through, let's like you know, follow up on what happened. Yeah. Um, or we'll be doing it for a new venue or someone else's new venue. So I guess we're just thinking out loud here, but maybe we'll lock this little pattern in. I don't mind it. I don't mind it. I think look the thing. That's a good way. If it sorry, if anything, it's a great, just a great way for us to personally document it. That's true, right? Yeah, and even if we get if fucking two listens out there, yeah, whatever, it's like in five years. That's it. I think about it it's like I'm gonna get real exercise. If I die, there's not much for my kids to go off here. Yeah, so at least they got this listen back to go, God, dad was a dickhead. Their only memory of you won't be you getting upset about cult. Uh no, that is very true. I mean, I've thought that sort of stuff for a while, right? Like, I know I told you I was doing that thing with my dad. Oh, yeah, I'd love that. Like documenting his life story. Like, that's man, that stuff is for that reason. Like, I wish I knew my more of my granddad growing up. Yeah, but no one did that shit. No, well, the biggest thing is like you go to do a eulogy and then you have to like ask questions. Like, what it where that what was the town lay all born at? Like just weird shit. I should know that. Yeah, you should just memorialise shit, and this is a good way of doing that. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. So, what the hell do you want to talk about today? Fuck, it's 34 degrees. I was halfway through putting up a blind when you're like, all right, time to record. Yeah. I would have given more time, but I've got to go. I gotta go. I needed a break. I needed a break. Yeah, okay. Um, we are what should I be saying here? We're 24 hours out to open. Wait, 24 hours out? We're opening on Wednesday. Well, it's the public. Oh, right. But Tuesday's the soft day. If you're not invited, sorry. Yeah, well, I didn't get invited, so uh it's yeah, so 48 hours to open um nearly exactly 4 p.m. Yeah, 48 hours. Okay, so what? So hang on, so 4 p.m. tomorrow is the friends and family. Yeah, 4 30. Um which I didn't I I literally have not invited hardly anyone to that. We've already got like 35 minutes. We go, yeah. Which is literally I can't come, so um book classic. Um the I can try and drop in. How late will it go? I've said six thirty, but people will be here till eight. Okay, I'll try and drop in on my way home. Yeah, I um it's gonna be so low-key. It'll be a few beers and snacks. We're not doing full menu or anything. Yeah, yeah, fair. And then the next day we're live. So what time on Wednesday? Four. Four. So for me, it's like I really don't want any trades on Wednesday, obviously. Of course, yeah. I don't want any trades tomorrow. Yeah, I've got one last thing happening in the morning. Yeah, but we're done by the end of today. Hectic dude. Essentially, and it's looking like a venue. It's looking amazing. Yeah, it really is. Like have you been getting um lots of amazing compliments on socials and stuff? From just from random people just looking at the content. Like oh yeah, blowing up online. Comments and reach outs, like text, DMs about this project than any other project I was on. Yeah, it's crazy. And I think mainly because there's actually storytelling around socials and this pod. There is that anticipation, exactly, and people like actually getting to see what's happening rather than being like new venue opening, and then you don't hear anything. Yeah, it's like opening now. Yeah, yeah, sure. Um, there's a lot more anticipation. It's been a great lead up, and then I think all the all the additional press from like when John announced he was closing it, like that probably helped a bit as well, like stoke some interest. Yeah, definitely. It got got a bit, we got more eyes on the venue, that's for sure. I was I was just what like I was out on the street this morning washing the facade of the building, and I had I was only out there for like 20 minutes, had three people walk past and go, I can't wait till you reopen this. So I was like, Oh, that's great. And then another lady was like, I'm I'm booking for steak night next week. And I was like, Oh, this is where I just gotta stay on the fucking street because this is good vibes. I forgot to tell you this. The other day I was coming in here and I stopped at the petrol station, yeah, and I had to park the bike like around the end because that patrol has like there's no space, right? So I park off the end, I go in on my way out. There's this lady, like an old lady, and she's standing there. And I was like, is she waiting for me? Like she she looked like she was like beelining for me. And I'm thinking, man, what the hell? Did I clip her on the bike? Or did I like what the hell? And then I come outside and she just goes, Excuse me, love, could you please give me a hand with something? And I'm like, Yeah, all right, what's the matter? She's like, Oh, I've just got terrible arthritis and I can't get the petrol cap off my and I was like, Oh, yeah, for sure. So I went and did it, and then I was like, well, do you want me to just fill it up for you because you can't, yeah. And so then we just start chatting, and I'm like, Oh, you, you know, do you live around here? And she's like, No, no, I actually live someplace in whoop whoop, right? Yeah, and I'm like, Oh, what brings you to Fitzroy? And she's like, Well, actually, I come out here every week because I go to yoga out here. And I was like, Oh, really? She's like, Yeah, you know, I um you know what it's like when you find a good yoga studio. I was like, Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And then she's like, What about yourself? Do you work around here? I was like, Oh, I'm actually um with the crew that are opening, that are reopening the pinnacle, the pub around the corner. She's like, Oh, the pinnacle, and then she just starts telling me all these like stories from when she like used to drink here in like the early 2000s or whatever. And I was like, man, this is gold. Like, how that that's where it's at. That's good, you know. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's like all the trolls online are just keyboard warriors. As when you're out on the street and you get direct, yeah, lovely feedback, you're like, makes it all worse. This is actually just the real life, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, okay, so you know what I'm really keen to ask you about is like how are you feeling? Like, is the is the self-doubt starting to creep in yet? Are you starting to feel like, oh my god, I'm so exposed here, I'm bringing a new art piece into the world and people might not love it. Where's all that? I've seen enough of that from you. Nah, I I've I think I've gotten up to a point now where it's this weird thing, like I care so much at the start that it affords me to care very little at the end. Okay. So I say that insofar as that I care so much at the start that I do everything I can to understand if this will work or not. And now I'm at the point that and this is from like everyone's feedback as well. I know we haven't opened the doors yet, but just people like people on the street and like people in the industry and friends and whatever. There's so much positivity around it that I'm just not stressed about that part. Because even if it doesn't if it doesn't fire from day one, I know we'll get it to where it needs to be. So from that perspective, I don't I'm fine. So I'm gonna ask you some questions to try and rattle your cage a little bit. 48 hours out, maybe not like the other day. Um, it's great that you're in the zone, man. Like I just know that's gonna open. Like, that's the well, it's gonna open no matter what. 4 p.m. on the 18th. Yeah. We're open. Yeah. And if there's a few things not done, so be it. We'll tick away, like click away at it. Like, yeah, what's the worst thing could happen? Well, you um you've probably got you know droves of like layers of support on this project than you probably ever have before because you've just literally got like any one of the investors will like cover a shift on the bar if you need or do whatever. Like, I mean, I was thinking that myself where I'm just like I can imagine a lot of nights where you know I'll be up here working or have a meeting downstairs or whatever, and then everyone's just getting pummeled, and it's like all right. It'll be hard not to help. Yeah, we're yeah, yeah. I think that, and honestly, that's we're speaking about this the other day um with someone else, and I was like, that's that's just the bit of operations, like that's yeah, fine. Yeah, because if it's really busy, we'll just hire some more people. Exactly. And if it in the interim, one of us is jumping in, what it's fine. Yeah, um, it's more for me if it's dead. Well, if it's dead, that's a whole nother thing. Yeah, but I don't think it will be. Um I hope not. But for me personally, like getting to this milestone of open, like I always have this like anti-climax feeling of just like it's open, great, yeah, and then I just immediately thinking about like not the next thing necessarily, but it's like okay, doors open, I feel like I've ticked a big box, but now it's like how can I improve the place? How to what's the next thing? Are we gonna do XYZ in the B gun? Are we gonna like what's the full table room? 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Um, as well as like the next shiny thing, right? Yeah. I mean, is it a bit like when you do a race? A hundred percent. Yeah. You you get like, I've only done a few now. Um and literally you finish, you're like, oh yeah, I'll do that again. Yeah, I'll do that again. It becomes really addictive. Yeah. And that's why I honestly think there's a lot of people in our industry that have that addiction and aren't able to temper it. Right. And that's when you make dumb decisions about sites and fit outs and spends and that sort of thing. Whereas I'm really wary of that. So we see you see it in like it's not just in business, you see it in sport and anything that you fixate on a goal. Joey talks about all the time, right? From that perspective of like if the if the outcome is just transactional, yeah, and it's a bit materialistic, yeah. There isn't an underwriting sense of meaning, yeah, you know, then yeah, you can kind of like get to the other side of that particular event and burn out. Yeah, you know, I don't think that's what you're doing. I think you're just like I don't think it's burnout. I think it's more like trying to chase the dragon a bit. Like um, and I think I play this through my head quite a bit that you know, opening a venue, you said it before, it's like your art piece. I don't go quite that far because I don't think I'm an artist. Um but uh I think it's just a an output of your ego. Right. And art uh art can be seen in totally. Totally, totally. So for me, it's just like this balance is like, am I doing it, is it my ego that just wants to do it? Or do is it like what I say who I am or what I do is that actually true? Sure. And I actually love doing this, and uh we're doing it for the community, which is totally true. And I love supporting people, like new managers and chefs and that sort of thing, to bring them into our venues and support them to do their next thing and all that sort of stuff. I know that's true in my mind, but then there's always this niggling feeling of like, yeah, but it's a lot of ego as well. Because how good does it feel when you open a venue and people are like like they go there when you're not there and then they're like, I just went to such and such venue? Yeah, it's awesome, well done. Oh, that's the best feeling ever. But it if you is that a bit of an ego trap for you? I think so. Or do you have you learned now how to take on that that sort of that compliment without it inflating your ego? Uh I definitely it definitely inflated my ego when I started. Yeah, sure. Like 10 years ago. Yeah. So how's this? I might have said, oh, is this on the podcast or just to you? I'm not sure. It's all blurred now for me. So 11 years to the day of us opening the pinnacle, we opened the bar of liberty, it's the same opening date. Bullshit. How crazy is that? 11 years. Total must like coincidence. Like I didn't realise. Yeah. I mean, but at the same time, like, what's so special about 11 years? Like, if seven or something. It would be yeah, 10 would be. But to the date, how is it how do we land on the same date? Yeah, that's pretty funny. That is pretty funny. But anyway, back then it definitely did. Whereas now it's more like I just get a flicker of like you just get a pep in your step, and you're like, that's great. Yeah. And this is why we open venues. We want people to feel great in them. Yeah, I mean, at the time at the same time. But I think what what you're describing there and what happens to a lot of people is that you, you know, initially that little ego hit is something that can be quite fueling, but like most things that are egotistical, they're not sustainably fueling. And eventually you kind of realize that you become more resistant to the criticism and the compliments, you know, and you kind of know that you've got your internal metric for have I done a good job or not, that's what guides you. And if you get the compliments or you get the criticisms, theoretically you shouldn't be listening to either of them. Well, this is funny, because like on the criticism side, although I definitely dive into the comments of the stuff for here, um in my venues over the years, I've gotten I've given less and less of a shit. Okay. Which might sound really bad when you hit it. Like, honestly, though, if I get 10 people complain about exactly the same thing, I'm fucking on that shit. Right. Like, I'm like, there are not a tens at exaggeration. Three people within a week or two weeks or a month that say the same thing. There's some consistency there, probably needs to be looked at. But if it's old mate that we accidentally the music's too late, their table, yeah, the music's too loud, or the table they had to wait 15 minutes for their book table. Or it's like that's just a fuck up from us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know my team will be on it. Yeah, right. But I'm not gonna dwell on that shit anymore. Sure. I never I haven't for a long time. But you used to. I used to. I'd be like, fuck God, on it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, whereas now it's more like, okay, simple complain, simple remedy, and that's just a VM emailing them or you know, messaging them on Google to reach out, whatever it needs to be. Sure. I don't care anymore. Like I know that that is just a function of having a hospitality venue. Yeah. To me, I look at it like how many people come through the venue a week at the pinnacle, it's gonna be a thousand. Right? If one person complains out of a thousand, yeah, like there's an even measure on my percentage of care. No, but I think you're using the wrong term. Like I don't care. I don't think you should say I don't care. It's that you're um not as affected by you know certain information anymore. Sure. Like that's a because it's because you do care. I do care. It's just you care so much that you found a better compass. Sure. You know, and it's like and that's an internal yardstick that you can use as opposed to reactively responding to you know every bit of information that you hear. Like I've just different. I've seen people burn out from it. Yeah, exactly. Just being like so fixated on someone that complained that they didn't have ketchup, like it's just stupid self-reading. And like anyone, unless it's something that's going to seriously damage your business, yeah, anyone that's going after and speaking to Google to get that taken down because it's factually incorrect, yeah, you have you should be focusing on 300 other things in your business. Exactly. Like, don't do it. So much more important shit. What good could come from that? Yeah. No, exactly. I get it. But but but again, though, not to be trifling, it's not that you don't care. It's that you've just found a better way to process information. Yeah, yeah. Which is different. Um because I think you do care, right? I mean, like you you're so like put it this way, the way I think about it is like if you didn't care, you wouldn't have been here for 10 hours a day, every single day for the last. Do you know what I mean? Like that stuff's hectic, and you wouldn't have. On so above and beyond on the problem solving and the all of that stuff. Like different kinds of things. Anyway, it's fucking 34 degrees in this room, and I'm suffocating. This is good reprieve from where I was. In the in the bathroom, and I was fixing something. Oh my god, it was like a hot box. But I'm just thinking, like, let's not make this a long episode because I think we're both fucking rinsed as, and people can probably hear it in the way we're rinsed. This episode's community advertisement is brought to you by Industry Kitchens. And we're talking about Magma Pizzeria on St. George's Road, just up from the pinnacle. Amazing pizzas, 20 bucks. Bring the family. Let me hit you with my last final idea. Oh no, not more ideas. Last idea to the series. Is that yes to the idea? Is that the first time anyone who's been storing a cord just in case they might one day need it actually found it? Um okay. Idea. So I feel like to date, all the ideas I've hit you with have been based on some clear underlying logic. They've been coherent commercially, they present some some type of benefit, whether it's to the bottom line or brand equity. And I thought I should go out with one that doesn't do any of those things. Sure. Like just hit you with a purely stupid idea. Oh, okay. Because that's what this was meant to be. It was meant to be stupid ideas. They were a bit too sound. Yeah, and then I just started getting into like good ideas and making that the arts stick. So I'm gonna give you like a stupid idea. This has like absolutely no commercial benefit at all. Maybe it could be good from a branding perspective, but mostly I think it would just be weird and annoying for people. Let's see. Bring it new to me. I'm calling this uh the Sunday roast hotline. Oh what do you think, right? So I'll go down to the Telstra store and I'll buy us like the cheapest possible bat phone, but I'll but I'll spend money on purchasing a number for it, which is like I don't know, 0403, and then whatever six-letter word works. Pinnacle. No, how many roast? Roasted, there'll be something, right? And what we'll do, right? So anyone who rings the number, it only goes to a voicemail message, right? And what that message is, is every week we'll record what the Sunday roast is gonna be for the week. So at any day, you can ring up and listen to what the Sunday roast is gonna be. What do you think? So there's this little platform called Instagram, and you could probably just do a post on there. No, that's not as good because it's you're not actually sitting there listening to someone tell you, right? And it's it's kind of stupid. It's like I'm I know that I can access this information easier, but I'm gonna ring the number because how cool are hotlines and when was the last time anyone ever did that? Okay, what okay because no one calls anyone, but yeah, I know, but you don't have to speak to anyone, see? Even if you're a weird introvert, you just have to listen. What about this then? What if we made it for all the specials every day? So when you when someone's looking at a menu, you don't go, have you seen our specials? You can go, have you called our specials? And people are like, What the fuck are you talking about? Just called our special line, yeah. And then you just there's the number on the menu. If you want to know our specials, just ring that number. And you know what? If I was the punter, I'd be like, How about you just fucking tell me? Yeah, well, I'm like, I can do that if you want. I mean if you want, but you could do that. What? Don't you have a phone? I reckon heaps of people would just do it out of novelty and find it extremely funny. Not into it. I mean, it's not that I'm I'm not not into it. Okay, it's just like that's a stupid idea. Exactly. So mission accomplished. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you coming in here going, I'm gonna come up with this stupid idea, and that came to your head, or did you come up with it and thought, that's a dumb idea? No, I was literally walking up the stairs going, I need a really stupid idea. What's inefficient? What's inefficient? Fucking stupid. Well, if it's inefficient, it's pretty much gonna be classed as stupid all the time. True. And then I just thought, I don't know. I think is there a menu or something or a specials board on the way up? Specials board. Yeah, maybe that's what what pinned it in my head. I mean, here's another idea though, that is a lot more coherent and something that you definitely have to say yes to. I feel like at this point we have to acknowledge and basically appre show some appreciation for anyone who is listening to this right now. Like, holy shit, if you just fucking yeah, man, if you listen to all 10 of these episodes, Jesus, thank you. You are a special kind of person that I love. I mean, thank you, but you could hear how much how hard it was, and you didn't come knock on the door to help me paint. Fuck your hell. No, I'm you know what I'm thinking. I reckon we should have something like anyone who listened to all 10 episodes, when you come in, let yourself be known. All right, like let the people on the bar know that you listened to all 10 episodes. Well, either honesty system or maybe we have like five little questions behind the bar. What about this? What is it? What are Leon's dumb ideas? Yeah, you've got to name at least six out of the. Well, actually, how many ideas did I have? Eight. I want to say. No, because we didn't do one in the first episode. Yeah. So then there should be nine, but then I did two in one episode. So there's ten. Yeah. All right, so you've got to name at least six. Six slides. Okay, if you come in. I don't think I could. Oh, you won't get the prize. Yeah, exactly. You probably haven't listened to them anyway. I've listened to them. Have you? Have you listened to every episode? Uh the first five. First five, okay. So you got some catching up to do. So if we said that right, if you've been listening to this whole thing and you come in and let us know that you've listened to it and you can validate that by reciting six out of my ten amazing ideas that Michael loved, then there's a prize in it for you. Yeah. And I don't know, it could be something as little as just a free pot, and it could be something amazing, like a signed copy of our limited limited edition vinyl press podcast series. Yeah, vinyl press podcast. Has anyone done that? No, that would be the dumbest. That's a fucking stupid idea. But that's it's so dumb that it'd be great. But it wouldn't make it, it would have no benefit because it's like what are you gonna detect like a slightly better audio quality in someone talking? It's because you get a physical disc without face on it or something. I know someone who could make this happen. Just one copy, yeah. Pretty good. Okay, all right, I'm gonna call it. That is a better idea than the hotline. All right, I'll give you that. Yeah, all right. If I so maybe if I go get like a few pressed, and then what we'll say is we'll randomly, for the people that come in and say that they've listened to all the 10 episodes and that they've done and they can recite the six out of ten, we'll randomly give away some of those arnels. That's pretty good. And you can have a pint. Yeah, I really like that. Um, what else do we need to say to close out this series? How do you feel about this podcast series finishing? Do you even give a shit? Nah. Told you before I don't care. I've learned not to care about things. Once they're shipped, they're shipped. One less annoying microphone stuck in your face. I mean, do I care? I do care. Uh I don't know. I feel like like we said before, it's great to document. And honestly, even if 50 people listen to a few most of them, I'm stoked. Yeah, like it's just a bit. Well, the numbers saying there's a lot more than that. Exactly, yeah. Um, but that's what I'm saying. Even if it was just 50, I'd be stoked. So yeah, thanks everyone for tuning in. And I hope to see you at the Penny for a Pi. Penny for the Pi. Penny for the Pine. I th I think that's great. There's one closing thing that I'll say is that doing this series has been awesome. I definitely knew it would be good, but I didn't know exactly how it would be good. But I think like just judging by the responses that like I feel like every day I wake up and I've got, or at some point in the morning I'll get to my phone and there'll be messages about the podcast. Yeah, basically. That says to me people are waking up and listening to it first thing. Yeah. And I just love that, you know. And I just think everything that we're trying to do at PAX is, you know, help people enhance their businesses so that they can enrich the community around them. And this has just been an unbelievably potent lever for that. You know, the people that have just has not just hit me up with, I mean, we've had had classic things like people hit me up being like, you know, can't wait to have vinegar on my chips, you know. And people, you know, I said like Kate hit me up being like, I'm that person who orders the the fish that isn't the flesh. Like that's great. Like, I love that all day. But having people that have reached out and be like, oh man, that you know, thing you're talking about with the budget, like that really helped. I'm doing this thing at the moment. And you know, that's what we think we did this for. We're up to 30 people that have hit the the deck. Oh, cool. The link. Oh, wiki is awesome. If someone, this is gonna get weird on data, but someone spent 45 minutes going through it. Wow, which I love. Well, you don't know that though. They might have just opened it and gone and done something. Reads it when you're on the page. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, like active on the page. Holy shit, 45 minutes, that's pretty weird. They're probably getting to the budget. Yeah, it's probably the new owners of the park you screen. Yeah, but steal all their IP that they gave away for nothing. No, I'm also not um upset about the fact that I don't have to spend all night, every night, listening to the episode that's coming up in the morning recording ads and shit like that. So well, I'll still have to next time. Yeah, uh, should we wrap it up there? Wrap it up, mate. Amazing. Thanks everyone for listening. Can't wait to see you guys at the pub. You're all amazing. Thank you. Thank you. And there you have it. This series is officially over. Thanks again for everyone that has listened this far. It honestly means the world to us. And we want to hear from you. Please drop us a line. Hello at Pax.melbound. If you can share this podcast with your crew, we'd really appreciate it. And please keep it locked on this channel as the PAX Season 2 podcast will be officially launching soon. There's a lot of people that we need to thank for this. Posterboy Media, you guys are elite. Industry Kitchen, thanks for sponsoring the show and allowing us to sprook some great people like Scarf, Skate Up, ASRT catering, Cenito, City Lada, Standing Room, Public Wine, Brave New Eco, Magma, and Melbourne Shiazu. We have to say a huge thanks to everyone that has been involved in this project. Michael was supposed to give me a list to read out, but he forgot. So I'm just gonna say that if you've been at the penny in the last couple of weeks, we acknowledge your contribution. Thank you for your support and love. Alright, folks, that's it for now. The pub's open, come in for a drink. Thanks again from all of us at PAX.