Who do you become in stress? What do you do to stay fit?- One Second by How to be Second

Nathan and Mondo explore what happens when stress brings out their shadow sides, from Nathan retreating into control and becoming a person who gets things done but disconnects from people, to Mondo’s tendency to seek control through conquest and familiar cycles. Along the way, they unpack self-awareness, asking for help, trusting others to spot your blind spots, and the courage it takes to choose a different path. They also reflect on fitness beyond the physical; mind, body, and spirit. And why growth often begins by refusing to relive the same story over and over again. 

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This is One Second, a conversation between two people with wildly different identities where we're exploring how we're different while embracing that we're better together. In our vernacular at How to be Second, I am a Second, and my co-host Armando Davison, is what we call a natural 1iC, or a Visionary. Enjoy. 

Transcript

Nathan 0:00

Hey, this is Nathan Young, founder and author of How to Be Second, and this is One Second, a react-style conversation between two people with wildly different identities. A Second, plans, systems, management, gets it done type of person... And what we call a natural 1iC, one of those in the clouds, ideas, visionary, entrepreneur type people. Each person is given a question before the start of the show, we hit record, and we see how two people with different identities react. We explore how we're different while embracing that we're better together. If you're glad this work exists, we need you to support it by either becoming a supporter for $5 at howtobesecond.com/support or shooting over an email to let us know why not. We cannot get better if we don't hear from you. On to the show.

Mondo 0:41

Okay. All right, Nathan. You know, for the last 24 hours I actually felt a little sick, a little under the weather, which is odd for me. So I'm gonna ask this question that we receive 'cause it kind of aligns. We know Nathan. Peak, Nathan, second in command. The energy that you have on this pod, but who do you become when you're stressed? Like what's that shadow side of yourself that comes out only in certain times when things are just heavy on your heart, mind, or spirit?

Nathan 1:11

Yeah. This actually goes back to some of the assessments that I've taken, some of the work that I've done. So it's funny to say this, but I become more of who I sort of naturally am. And that sounds funny. That sounds good. But what it means is that like I tend to stop caring as much about other people. So I know some people where when they become unhealthy, they do more and more and more. On behalf of others or try to get more from other, like they are hunting for affirmation, they're whatever, right? I tend to be alone. I tend to like get frustrated or controlling or to just like give things up where I'm like doing stuff on behalf of others feels like a huge burden to me. It's interesting because actually a

Mondo 2:02

Actually,

Nathan 2:02

of my joy and my purpose goes away. So when I'm in a really unhealthy place, I like stop doing these things that involve other people or for other, like I become very selfish

Mondo 2:13

yeah.

Nathan 2:14

and my selfishness. Because this isn't true of everyone. My selfishness leaves me very alone. I, I build things in the basement or the closet or whatever. I don't spend time outside or with other people. I stop, my practice of like words of affirmation in my household, right? Like, which isn't a natural like energy of mine. That's not the natural language of appreciation that I speak, if you will. And. So like I become very useful. Suddenly the house is clean and like the garbage is taken out and all of this other stuff, but I'm doing it. I don't know if out of spite is the right term, but like I become very tactically useful but not very personally useful.

Mondo 2:55

Getting

Nathan 2:56

silent and stopping using words. And then just like I act out by way of. like really useful, like kind of like a robotic, I become a Roomba is effectively what I'm trying to say. Like that's when I'm in a really bad place. I become a Roomba,

Mondo 3:11

So would you, okay. I'm curious, is that kind of new in your approach? Like maybe bring me even back to. Like childhood or younger years? Was it the same? Like would you just find yourself in your room building something you go into like this cocoon? Has it always been that or has it shifted as you've gotten older?

Nathan 3:29

Yeah, I, no, I think it's always basically been the same. I mean, it looks a little different, but not a lot different. I have this thing I call convincing energy, and like when I run out of convincing energy, I basically just like, I'm not even gonna try to like work with other people. I just become very controlling. The thing that I know that I can go control is myself. And so I just stop trying to go together and I just go, okay, well I can control me and I don't have to convince anyone to believe me except me, and I already believe me, so I'm just gonna retreat to me. Like, and so, and that's, I would say, that's the other thing is I actually get, I get very controlling. If I get very like demanding and controlling something in me understands that that's not healthy with other people, I would say when I was a kid I didn't, I would just get more and more and more like trying to put my claws into things. And so the more and more we didn't, we weren't like meshing myself and another person. The more I would like hunt for power and authority to get what I was trying to get accomplished without needing them to agree. I would just be like, well, I'm just gonna get, I'm just gonna find a way to have enough power I don't need you to agree. I'll just tell you when you'll have to do it

Mondo 4:36

Yeah. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Can I, I would ask a question to. Have you double down. But I want to interject for a minute because I wanna align a thought that I just had with kind of how you show up, where you just talk about like this power and wanting to just tell someone how to do it. 'cause you don't have any more convincing energy. I'm gonna say something that's actually a little bit more, let's just say provocative. Yeah, because I have done really good at getting better at this. So the other day I was having a conversation with someone and they were like, Mondo, I think, or they said, do you believe that you fall victim to lust like historically in your journey? And actually they told me that I think you believe they didn't ask me. And when they sent that text, I was like, no. That's not true. I was like, I don't fall victim to lust. I fall victim to needing or wanting to conquer something. And so I was like, often. In my unhealthy seasons of my life, the woman that I was talking to or dating fell into the category of things to be conquered. And so, this question that you have about like, where do I go when I become stressed? Or like that shadow side, it was this unhealthy response of like conquering. My partner in a way that like put them in this submissive position. And so that shadow self of me, when things got really stressful, like it was, it always turned into like this intimate experience and I felt like, establishing control in that way and I felt like I was able to grab onto that control that I wanted. Similar to what you were saying, like, I'm going to go dominate this thing, it's going to be this way, and then after that. I can kind of go back into servant mode 'cause I was able to satisfy something enough that I now had energy to then go back out and be a servant. And so anyways, as like left or right field at that as that was trying to like tether that need for power or control to what you just said. That's definitely the shadow side of myself that I had to work on.

Nathan 6:48

Well, so let me now, now I'm curious, right, because, you've leaned into this like, okay, this is my answer to the question so let me poke at a few things here. And that is, I know that when I. Become that way. 'cause I still have tendencies to become that way. But I've started to put a lot of behaviors in my life to sort of like barrier that, right? Or even to be like, Hey, here are healthy ways. You can respect that you're an introvert and you need to go be alone and restore some energy. Here is a healthy. Non like ridiculous, like power hungry way to do that, to exercise that. Okay, I just need to restore some energy. I'm out of convincing energy. I need to go let the well refill. 'cause I, I can't refill the well of convincing energy. It just like does it on its own. I have to just very much like a, well, like refill the, well, the water comes in on its own, in its own time, right? And so you just have to stop drawing from it for a while. But how can you do that in a healthy way? I literally just said this to someone in a call earlier this morning. We were brainstorming on something and they were having ideas I just kept saying yes. And they were like, Nathan, aren't you a second? Like isn't your whole deal that you like sort of like boxed ideas down that like I have ideas and then you sort of whittled them down. And I said, it's not time for that. I will move into that at some point, but right now, that's not the healthiest thing. What I've learned is the healthiest thing is to not try to fight with you right now. I don't need to utilize my convincing energy, and the way that I'm gonna do that in a really healthy way is frankly, I'm just gonna say yes constantly. You're gonna have an idea and I'm gonna go yes. And even with like help, I've said in the last year, I've developed this habit. I've tried to develop this habit people being like, Hey, do you want some help? And historically, again, moving into this sort of that power space or that controlling space, especially when I had less and less energy to work with a person, somebody would be like, do you want help? And my immediate responses were either, no, I don't. It's not that I didn't want help, it's that I didn't want to make the plan for the person. I didn't wanna work with them. I didn't wanna figure it out with them. I just wanted to exercise my plan and I hadn't put them as part of my plan. when they were like, Hey, can I help? I was like, no, 'cause I don't have you in my plan and I don't wanna take the energy to include it. So now my habit that I have built, which definitely stretches me, is to never say no. When someone says, can I help? I always say yes and then figure it out. And it sounds so funny 'cause the benefits that I have reaped are so substantial. People are like, I'm gonna buy dinner. And I go, okay. Right. Like, I do not fight it at all. They're like, I'm gonna pick up the tab. And I just go, that sounds fantastic. Thank you so much. like, there's part of me that's like, are you being a mooch right now? Is that what like, and. Ah. Now I try to say something like, I'll get it next time. And I mean that, but so like, these are some of the ways that I've tried to put these in healthy spaces go, whoa, hold on. You can recharge your energy in a healthy way. can get yourself out of these dangerous spaces in a healthy way. So I've just talked about the ways that I've done this. What are some of the ways that you have started to put healthy behaviors around these things?

Mondo 10:18

Answer that question first. Let me just ask, is there a healthy way where you communicate that with your wife, Samantha, or the first in command or commands that you're working with?

Nathan 10:29

Being out of that energy?

Mondo 10:31

Yeah. I imagine you've been married for a while, Samantha could probably just see the way that you walk in the door and know it. Is there a way that you still also communicate it, or do you let her know in advance? Or do you tell your first in command like, Hey bro, I've been in this, or, Hey gal, I've been in this for three weeks and I'm telling you that. I'm near the end. Or are you letting them know week one that you got two weeks left, right? Like, how do you communicate effectively with the other person when you're nearing that stressed or shadow side that you know is unhealthy?

Nathan 11:08

That's a great question. I don't think that I've yet gotten a good leading indicator. So I can tell you one thing that I did very recently, was supported by my answer of saying yes constantly no matter what. cause Samantha can tell that about me typically before I, ask, I typically ask for help on my plan, right about the time I have already experienced a catastrophic failure and I'm actively dying.

Mondo 11:33

Sorry for laughing, but you said that with so much certainty, like I'm already, like, I'm, I'm thinking about this show Invincible that I never watched, but Mark always looks like he just got effed up the most and in my mind I just saw Mark like, I need help. Go ahead. Sorry for laughing.

Nathan 11:50

Right. Well, yes. Uh, I like to say I ask for help right about the time I'm drowning. Actively drowning off the side of the boat. the way that I tend to ask for help, and I think this is true of most seconds, be I'm the figure it out person. So the idea that I'm the figure it out person and then I need help is contrarian in my body. So I tend to ask for help when I am actively drowning and I ask for help by way of saying. Hey, person on the ship who is safe, can you please throw me the life preserver? It's seven feet to your left. This is the what it looks like. I can show you how to get it right, like I'm still in control. I still, if they can just help me adjust my plan very slightly, ridiculous 'cause I'm literally dying, like, I'm like plan is gone and I'm the only person who has not reconciled with that yet. So. that as the baseline of my standard. Samantha typically is able to catch before that, like Nathan seems to be running out of this thing,

Mondo 12:54

Hmm.

Nathan 12:54

So recently I started another fairly substantial project I felt, I was like, okay, my schedule is very full, but I can handle it, which is a mistake. And samantha caught it right away and she said, Hey, can I speak into this? Well, when someone says, can I help my answer is yes. So I said in, I had a little moment about being like, no, but then I said yes, and she said, I think that you should get help right now, and I think you should call this person now. Ask them if they would be willing to step into this, and I said, yes.

Mondo 13:35

That's dope.

Nathan 13:36

So what is the way that I can see the leading indicators? And if I'm being completely transparent, like the answer is if other people around me who I have now said yes to so many times really are in my blind spot. Catching it for me because it truly is still a blind spot for me, and instead of working intensely hard to broaden my own perspective, I have people I am going together with who stand in my blind spots and let me know when something is coming at us.

Mondo 14:08

That's really good. That's good. Okay. That's a great kind of segue into me answering the question because I have found myself to be so stubborn that I don't say yes,

Nathan 14:21

Hmm.

Mondo 14:21

and eventually what happens is. I can't pivot from my story. You know, you have a plan. I just have a story and I need to see the story play out far enough that I no longer have questions about if that story was going to play out that way. So, for example, right now, if I had a Samantha that says. Hey, you should call and ask for help right now, and it's a new experience and I haven't yet explored that story independently. I would probably say thank you for giving me this insight. I still have to go this way independently for another day or week or whatever, until I'm at this intersection where I'm like, oh. Samantha, you were right. And I have no problem telling her she was right, but for some reason I just have to go there myself just to ensure it. And it's not that I don't trust the other person. I think it's just me believing that there might be something. Down there that I'm supposed to do or experience that might be like tangential to whatever is like the challenge in my face. And I don't want to miss that nugget or that, you know, egg in the story. So one of the things that I have found myself doing is reflecting more and looking at the story that I'm currently in and being like, is this a cycle that I've been in before? If it is, is it time for me to make a drastic change in my choice so a different story can unfold? And so when I talked about like getting into this unhealthy cycle of controlling the things that are in my life or that shadow self, I was like, well. I understand that this is my behavior and every time that I do it, things get quote unquote better temporarily, and then I go out and live life and do it again, and then eventually I come to the same spot. The cycle is cool. It's not hurting anybody, I don't think. But do I want a different story, right? Like, do I even want to be open to the idea that there is a different pathway? And so if I embody that behavior or opt into that challenge, by default, the story is gonna unfold differently because I'm not choosing that behavior and like, so some other output has to happen. So yeah, hey, I'm mano and I want a different story, or I want a different outcome. So like, let me find a way to make a different choice. Even if the choice doesn't have a predictable outcome, I just need to make a different choice just to see the aha, like, oh, that was cool. So yeah.

Nathan 17:05

So, once again, I was having a conversation with someone just a little bit ago, and to be fair, I'm always having a conversation with someone, right? Like almost always. I just have lots of conversations every day. And so I, I'm thankful to say that and also, uh. There's a limit to that. But I almost always get to say, I was just having a conversation the other day. I've even stopped remembering the name of the person to attribute the conversation. 'cause like I kind of can't anymore. Which maybe that's terrible. But anyway, I just take it as a joy that I get to have so many fun conversations with people. So I was just having this conversation earlier and we were talking about, first of all, groundhogs Day groundhog. Groundhog Day. Yeah. You know, the movie where Bill Murray gets stuck in a time loop of a single day. And so we were literally talking about that. Like, oh, this is like Groundhog Day. Like you just explained. You literally did this, which is the, like, if you were gonna try and travel,

Mondo 17:58

Yeah.

Nathan 17:58

loop would look like. It would

Mondo 17:59

Yeah.

Nathan 18:00

And so there's the inevitable question of, well, do you want Groundhog Day? Is that what you want to experience?

Mondo 18:06

Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan 18:09

if so, continue doing exactly what you're doing. Like if you want a different story.

Mondo 18:13

Yo, that is, it is. So like literally what you just said, also, I'm gonna use that one day. So thank you for that. But literally what you just said is like, I feel like the dreamer archetype, the explorer, the whatever, right? Like we have this unlimited confidence and courage, and we're always willing to go jump off the bridge, jump off the plane, do whatever, right? And we're always only trusting ourselves and our intuition, and we always end up in the same spot. Because we're still always doing the same brave quote unquote choice, right? There's nothing new to the thing we're doing. We're always just doing the thing that is so ridiculous and it's like, well, there might be another story if you do something that is actually practical for a little bit. Not that you can never do anything ridiculous again, but like walk down this tight rope. That's just straight line. Just walk straight with your eyes open and holding somebody else's hand. And it's like, yo, I like that. Feels like training wheels. But it's like it's a new story. 'cause you have never done that before. And so I just feel like in this. Season of my life, I feel called to like challenge dreamers to do something different. Just end their story, like pivot in a way that doesn't make sense at all, but it, it, hmm. It just seems so out of step because it's so practical. I'll give it like a quick example. Even though I'm a dreamer and I'll take the biggest bet and in my season of business and wanting to close deals and change the world and all that stuff, no matter what, if Cadence had a game that took precedent over changing the world. And so like as a dad, I would always choose to go be a dad first. And like when you look at the dreamer type story and the person who's gonna go on this crazy adventure. Often they don't do that, right? It's just like there's just somebody's gonna die or they gotta go spy on the whatever, and like family doesn't come first. And so even just that simple thing of like, yo, every Wednesday, yes, go to your daughter's school and have lunch with her. It's an hour. If you do that thing, you're going to change the story in some meaningful way because for the last 10 years, you never went and spent time with your kids on a Wednesday. 'cause it makes no sense. It's hump day. There's always something going on. So all that to say yes, like change the story, don't go through the groundhog loop over and over and over and expect a different result. That's goofy. So thanks. That was great analogy. Hmm.

Nathan 20:42

Thank you and props to. Josh, Josh is who I was talking to. Took me a second, but I got there. Let me shift gears then and let me ask about this. It's not completely dissimilar, right? But my question is, how do you stay fit? We primarily do this as an audio podcast. It also exists on YouTube, so you can. See it. If you've ever seen Mondo physically, you know that he is fit and like physically, right? But as we are talking, we talk a lot about emotional and spiritual fitness. Because physical fitness is not disassociated, as I say all the time. You bring your body to everything you do. The easiest way to make clothes look better on you is to have a fit body. Like it's crazy. You can drape a sheet on somebody who has a very fit body and be like, oh, she doesn't look too bad, you know? Like, yeah, you really wear that pillowcase pretty well. So that's my question is how do you stay fit?

Mondo 21:40

Well, so lemme give the easy response and then like a more dynamic response to this question. I'm an avid walker. Literally like, you know, in Forrest Gump where he just runs all over the place for a few years. I feel like I have lived that life for the past three or four years, just walking. I just walk and randomly I just hear people honking their horns. 'cause they're like, here's Mondo walking again, just in the middle of wherever he's walking. And so I think I've lost 30 plus pounds, literally just walking. But for a while I was walking like seven, eight miles a day and just enjoying it. In that I got to a point where I was like, well. My upper body could probably use a little bit more working out because it has been like the stepchild for a while. And so, I have. Try to lean into being more balanced in my approach and doing pushups and all that stuff. So the short answer is right now staying fit. I walk, I do pushups, and right now I'm trying to integrate running just because why not? But the one thing that you said when you led with this conversation was like. These different tiers of fitness, right? Let's just say mind, body, spirit and like how fit are you are in each category. The thing that hit me when you asked this question, I was thinking about when I first got in tech, so I don't know, 14, 15 years ago at this point. And I remember thinking about my physical body as an athletic black man walking into these environments with old white dudes predominantly, and actually having this like physical. Dominating, kind of like essence, because one, I was always a black dude in the room. Two, I was oftentimes the most fit, but it was like this off putting athlete type guy in a room with respectfully a bunch of nerds, programmers type guys or business people that whatever. I just didn't really fit and so. I found myself at that time trying to, shelter my physical prowess, so like. I remember for a while I wore like these, urkel type glasses. They didn't have any lenses, but like, you know, and like I always had a fanny pack, even though I'm a fan of fanny packs. But like, if a guy walks in with a fanny pack, they're immediately less dominant, just by, you know.

Nathan 24:02

yeah. This person is no longer threatening.

Mondo 24:04

You know, my pants always had a little high water swag to it. I typically wore vans because like, vans are cool, got skater vibes. And so I remember literally crafting my physical state to be able to fit into these environments. And fast forward to now, I don't do that anymore, but. The thing that I recognized that I didn't have at that time when it comes to mind, body, spirit, I wasn't spiritually fit, right? Like when Jesus talks about poor in spirit. I was actually poor in spirit. I didn't read the word. There was no church. I had no relationship with Christ, so I was literally poor in spirit. Now I feel like I am healthy or fit in spirit, so when I walk into rooms, there's this invisible essence, it doesn't matter how I show up physically. There's just something about my full spirit that people are like, I. He's, he's a loving, caring, kind human. I could just feel it. And so, I really do believe that, you know, that fitness, mind, body, spirit is, it's meaningful across every category. Because I can literally just remember how I had to show up differently when there was that extreme imbalance of my spiritual fitness, even though my mind and my body was on point. So I'll leave it there and throw it back to you. Like, how do you stay fit or how meaningful is fitness for you?

Nathan 25:33

Well, I'm coming back for some of the things that you said. so let me drop some anchors here. Mark Winters came out with a book not that long ago, called Visionary, and he talks about concept of being warrior fit in the. Book and that's actually something that in my coaching with first in commands, that I have started to anchor to this idea of like being warrior fit. And so I'm gonna come back to this conversation, but as a way to answer the first question, I also walk a lot. I can tell you that walking is clearly not the only answer to being physically fit because I am not. At your level, but I walk a lot too. There must be something both in the doing and also in the not doing, like the discrepancy are the two pieces of lemon, blueberry, whatever cake that I, um, so there's something, there's something in staying fit that is both the activity at, but also the not right. There's some discipline there in both directions.

Mondo 26:32

Yeah.

Nathan 26:32

In the actual staying Fitbit, has been really interesting for me over the course of my life because I was very unfit. I was fat. I mean really fat. Like I weigh less right now as an almost 40-year-old man than I weighed when I was like 12 and 13 years old. And I'm like, I'm like a foot taller than I was then I'm like, right. So I was short and fat, and at some point I went, don't like this. It was more me than other people. Like the thing that got me eventually is that I was really uncomfortable and I didn't like being uncomfortable. And so I think still that is the thing that drives me, although now I'm married and so like I have a secondary driver, which is yes, I don't wanna be uncomfortable, literally like in my clothes, in my day, throughout my day. But also I have a wife I like, I wanna look good for my wife. One of the ways I stay fit is to stay motivated, to be fit and, the actual, like how does that actually manifest in like a day-to-day thing? I, I don't know. I work out throughout the entire day, which is a very odd departure. From, like, I used to go to the gym and I used to be in the gym for, you know, 45 to 90 minutes, and I did that on a regular cadence and I had that built into my week and whatever. There was a huge portion of my life where I was running every day, miles and miles every day. All, throughout the year, 2020, I ran five miles every single day and. Hilariously, I lost almost no weight because I was both running five miles a day and walking around the neighborhood. And also just like anxiety eating constantly. And so like, I was more fit. But you didn't, you couldn't see it. So like the action of staying physically fit now is just like I set timers on my watch it goes off every 30 or 40 minutes and I drop into a set of pushups, or I make sure that I get enough steps in. I would also say that I've recognized the more important aspect of being mentally and spiritually fit and how the lack of physical fitness interferes with those things when I let it go too far. So like my attention to my physical fitness is the proxy for how healthy am I in general. If I become really obsessive about my physical fitness, kind of tell that I've had too long of a week I've worked out too much and my office is a mess. I'm like, oh, I haven't attended to the rest of my fitness 'cause I got caught up in this other thing or these other things. And so the way that I stay fit is now I go, this is always the answer. This is my repeated answer. Welcome to the podcast. Nathan says, go together. It is very much like a. I'm gonna go rucking tomorrow with a group of people. I keep trying to find ways to combine aspects of my fitness. What up?

Mondo 29:28

What is Rucking?

Nathan 29:29

Oh, shit. Okay. So, rucking, you might like this. You are invited. You were invited right now. People on this podcast know that I just invited Monto to go rucking with me tomorrow. So, is walking or hiking. But you carry weight on you like in

Mondo 29:45

Oh,

Nathan 29:45

or a vest or something like that.

Mondo 29:47

okay.

Nathan 29:48

so our mutual friend Jason, is an overachiever and he carries so much weight. He's basically carrying a whole other person. Most of us don't, most of the people we go on this hike with carry like 10 pounds in a normal backpack. I actually have a vest. And so I'm usually doing something between 15 and 25 pounds or whatever, and we go for like a three or four mile walk. And it's very like. you know, military stuff, right? Where they have to do the hikes or the runs or whatever with loaded packs, because that's actually physically what they have to do. Like,

Mondo 30:19

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan 30:20

like it's not just training, it's not just physical fitness. It's like because they're in a danger, and they need the equipment that they have. But we've taken it into the civilian life and been like, well, this is neat. But that's rucking. And

Mondo 30:31

Okay.

Nathan 30:32

to do to stay more. All around fit is to combine a lot of these things. So tomorrow I'm gonna go rucking. I'm gonna meet some people I don't know. I'm gonna see some people I already know. I'm gonna have heavy weight. I'm gonna get my steps in. And so I'm gonna combine some physical fitness with some mental fitness, some friendship time like I do a weekly check-in. And part of my weekly check-in is to be quiet and ask God like, God, what am I doing? Well, what do you see me doing? Well, his answers to me are always not what I saw.

Mondo 31:05

Yeah.

Nathan 31:05

I'm like, here are all the things I accomplished. And he's like, I don't care about any of that. And so, which is whatever, but I typically go on a walk. I put headphones on. I don't listen to music because I find that to be distracting from the hearing in that conversation. Right. So like, I literally will put headphones on and play white noise, and I'll go for a walk for 40 minutes and I'll just try to be as silent in that movement as I can. Listen, and so like, can I stay spiritually fit while I stay physically fit? And combining those two things And so like recognizing that I need to stay fit in all of these things and also that I can do them kind of at the same time been a real unlock for me. And once again, just constantly the answer comes back to just go together. Just go together.

Mondo 31:48

Well, that,

Nathan 31:49

So

Mondo 31:49

that was really, yeah, that was really dope. That was really insightful. And you just exposed me to rucking. I had no idea what that was. I was like, is this a thing that I am supposed to know that everybody knows? Is this a Okay, well, thank, thank you. This was, this was a excellent session.

Nathan 32:08

Yep, no problem. Today we educated someone including ourselves so well, amazing. I'm gonna shut down the pod and I'm gonna give you details for this thing that I just invited you to a second ago. So I'm gonna honor it and I'm gonna put it down right here. Hey, it's Nathan again. If you made it to the end, that's awesome. I have a couple ways you can go deeper whether you resonated with the Second or the OneIC in this conversation. How To Be Second is a community of Seconds, people with this identity, and we're also experts at shepherding the journey of first-in-commands and Seconds from growing alone to going together, to growing together. Either way, you should join our email list at howtobesecond.com/email. If you resonated with the Second in this conversation, we have a ton of resources for you, like our community, our book, our guide system for Seconds, our assessment, coaching, meetups, even a professional development platform with job postings from our partner companies. If you resonated with the OneIC, we support your growing alone, going together, and growing together journey with coaching with a natural Second, our matchmaking-not-recruiting service where we help first-in-commands find their right-fit Second, and coaching for already connected first and Seconds to keep you growing together. Finally, if you're inspired by what we're doing here, you can support How To Be Second at howtobesecond.com/support. Thanks again. I'm looking forward to our next conversation.